1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: There are people that are engaged in what is clearly 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: a mass hysteria. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: You have to call it a delusion. 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: They use a playbook of trauma to make you abandon 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: what you had believed before and replace it with new belief. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: So this is how this stuff all ties in. And 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: now you say, well, Buck, why do we care about 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: this stuff today? 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean, they're not beating you with truncheons. 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: But you go to a college campus and it's like, hey, 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: tell that purple hair, dude, it's actually a chick and 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: use the prefer pronouns, or we're going to kick you 13 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: out of school. 14 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: So it's almost like there's been a programming already, and 15 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: now what takes place next is really dependent on people 16 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: whether or not they have the understanding that this is 17 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: the reality. So proud to welcome the great Buck Sexton 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: to the show. Back to the show. He was our 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: first guest. I'm sorry it's been so long since we've 20 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: had you on. And then also, once again, it is 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Buck who who gave us the opportunity to come underneath 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: the Clay and Buck network. And just man, once again, 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: thank you for that. All right, manufacturing delusion, dude, when 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: did this pop into your head and and why would 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: you ever want to tackle the magnitude of this issue? 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: So brotherly, it was first of all, thank you for 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: having me, and thank you for making me look good 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: for you being my draft choice for the Clay and 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: Buck podcast network. People are like, he's doing a really 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: good show and the audience loves it and keeps growing, 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, there we go, thank you. 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: Bus Gollo Swagger knows the talent. 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: So how I came up with this book was after COVID, 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: And I mean like really after like when pretty much everybody. 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I just kept walking around saying to myself or you know, 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, thinking or muttering out loud, how did these 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: people go so insane? 38 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: Like what what is this? How does this happen? 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: And the more I thought about it, also, I was like, well, 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: you know the craziness of some of these people that 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: you saw during COVID, where they were like policing other people, 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: believing wildly obviously untrue stuff like double Mask and all. 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: By the way, this is not a COVID book, right, 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: but that's just kind of the you know, the germ 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: of the thought, the trigger, Yeah exactly. I was like, 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: but then you also think about BLM and you think 47 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: about some of the transgender stuff. It's like there are people, 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: it's not everyone, but there are these mobs, masses that 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: are engaged in what is clearly a mass hysteria, and 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: they believe things that are so evidently false that you 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: have to call it a delusion, right, because there's no facts, 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing. You can't present them with evidence to show 53 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: them that they're wrong. That's a delusion, right. So this 54 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: is this is where I said, well, hold on a second, 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: where else does that happen? And I was like, this 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: happens in totalitarian societies. In fact, the entirety of day 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: to day life at the hands of a state, whether 58 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: it's a Soviet Union, MAOIs China, UH, North Korea, Many, 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: it's et Set, a Nazi Germany UH is rooted in 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: mandatory or manufactured delusions. So I started this this journey 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: into how do they do that? Like what what is 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: it that are the And I don't mean how in 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: the most broad terms. I wanted to know, like what 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: are the tactical like what's the TTPH got into. 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: Things like. 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, UH, forced confession, UH, isolation, identity construction, and 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: really the book is just looking at these things that 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: are done to people to effectively bring about craziness in individuals, 69 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: but on a mass scale and the masses, and that's 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: how they manufacture a delusion. 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: And in doing so I came across Mirlu, who you 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: are the only dude I have to give credit. But 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I've done dozens and dozens of interviews. You know, we're 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: still in like the opening opening salvo of media and 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm just like already, I'm like, oh my god, no 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: one else has ever heard of this guy. 78 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: Rut When I told because I talked to you. 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: When I was writing this book, jus Merlou was a 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: psychiatrist for your audience, I know, you know, yeah, he's 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist who he changed his name from Abraham in 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: occupied ned the Netherlands Holland during the Second World War 83 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: to evade the Nazis and made his way to England 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: and joined the Dutch army in exile. But he was 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: a trained psychiatrist, and so he's like, you know what 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: I could do here. I could help in information operations, 87 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: psychological operations. I can debrief Nazi SS prisoners to learn 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: what how did you do this? Like, how did you 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: psychologically corrupt the whole society. And he wrote a book 90 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: called The Rape of the Mind that's a particularly seminal 91 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: work on this issue, where he looks at this is 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: how you break people down, this is how you can 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: create mass delusion. And so that I mean ment to 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: side is his term the killing of the brain. 95 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: That's the second chapter of the book. 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: And I look at gender theory and gender identity where 97 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I understand we're not all in camps 98 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and that you know they don't have like guards with 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: with band ask or throats. But you're supposed to say 100 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: something that's obviously false, and if you don't, you get fired. 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: That's a coercive psychological approach. 102 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Right, You're supposed to say, oh, no, that that's not 103 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: a penis, that's a vagina. No, it's not assigned at birth. 104 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: In fact, the whole notion of assigned at birth is preposterous. 105 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: Dave. 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: You've got kids, you can no longer before birth, whether 107 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: it's a boy. 108 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: Or a girl. So that makes the whole thing makes 109 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: no sense. 110 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think you're I mean, first off, I am 111 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: so happy that you tackled this right. A lot of 112 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: people have tackled whether it was you know, RFK Junior's 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: book The Real Anthony Fauci and the manipulation of ideas 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: around our science industries, because one of the components that 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: Mi or Lou talks about, right is when you capture 116 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: different industries or in particular science or governments and and 117 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: and it's everybody knows that governments use propaganda as to manipulate. 118 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: But I think what we're seeing now, although like you said, 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: we're not in a totalitarian state, but the conditioning has 120 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: improved to such a magnificent level that you know, through 121 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: this thing right here, you know, I'm I'm a slave 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 3: in in the conditioning. And for me it was for 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: me it was really I think it was doctor Robert 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 3: Malone right when he went on Rogan the first time, 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: and he called he talked about the phrase mass formation 126 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: psychosis as a result of the COVID mania, and he 127 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: quoted a friend of him, Mattias Desmond, who also wrote 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: a book post COVID h called the Psychology of Totalitarianism. 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: So as I started to research this, I immediately found 130 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: uh Yo Shmirlou's book uh and I was. I read 131 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: that and it was the roadmap. 132 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, ju just mearly. 133 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: There's a reason why he became a phenomenon in the fifties. 134 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: And by the way, that was right at the time 135 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: where the term brainwashing. And just to be clear for everyone, 136 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 1: like why do I want you to get this book? 137 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of right wing slop books. I'll just 138 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: be honest, there are there's a lot of right wing 139 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: slop books. You pay someone fifteen grand and it's like 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: here's how I think we can save America and how 141 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: much I love Trump. 142 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: You're learning nothing. 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually eighteen months to research and write this book, 144 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: every word of it myself. I had five months of 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: PRB or PCRB by the way they call it Nowadaves 146 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: because Dave knows from the CIA side. 147 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I had to get cleared. 148 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: For this because for the first time, and you know, 149 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm very clear by there's stuff like I was like 150 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: I was an analyst or whatever. But this is about 151 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: being an analyst of things. This isn't about being some 152 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: one door kicker. I leave the doorkicking to you, ruight. 153 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: But I talk about my first yeah, my first CIA 154 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: assignment to Nigeria, which I had never talked about before, 155 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: which was wild stuff, because I was essentially sent to 156 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: a place no one wanted to go. And they they 157 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: almost pulled me when they realized how junior. They're like, 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: what are you? Sometimes they're like what the hell are 159 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: you doing here? Giving the stuff that I was getting. 160 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: And there was one guy who, let's just say at 161 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: home base there in Nigeria, who just took me under 162 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: his wing, who is a senior dude, and he's like, 163 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: you're smart and capable, You're gonna come with me everywhere. 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: So I went with him to every meeting. 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: I went all over the place, all over the country, 166 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: looking for and looking at really the origins of what 167 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,479 Speaker 1: became Boko Haram and and they were all it was already, 168 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: the different mosques and the way that they were, the 169 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: way that they were isolating people from even the even 170 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: the Islamic community around them, the way they were doing 171 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: identity construction, you know. So so I saw it sort 172 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: of in the earliest phase. And then I talk a 173 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: little bit about some of the research into like Jihattist 174 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: suicide bomber rat lines in Iraq and Pakistan. 175 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: Pakistan was the worst, right, what twenty five thousand madrasas 176 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: I remember in five when I went back, there was 177 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: an expos I forget it was the a BBC or something. 178 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: There was a reporter, I forget what her name is, 179 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: award winning reporter, and she they led her into the Madrasas. 180 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what it was. It was the systematic conversion. Right. 181 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: You go into Queta, you say, hey, you've got ten kids, 182 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: I'll take your eight to thirteen year old I'll bring 183 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: them in, I'll teach them how to Arabic, I'll teach 184 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: them the Quran. And then over time, you know, they 185 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: created what something like one hundred thousand suicide bombers, a 186 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: jahanas Mulah's missiles they were called. Yeah, So it's fascinating 187 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: to me that as such a young analyst in really 188 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: this profound time of mind manipulation, in particular within Islam itself, 189 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: you know that that triggered this thing that has stayed 190 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 3: with you to now where you know, as one of 191 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: the top commentators in the world, you are so connected 192 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: to witnessing the other side or whatever, the other side 193 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 3: of totalitarianism and now to say, all right, I'm gonna 194 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 3: invest a really profound amount of time when you had 195 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: a lot of things going on in your life by 196 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: way during that time. So yeah, so like when you 197 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: when we were on the phone and you were like, dude, 198 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm writing a book about this. I was like, Yes, 199 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: this thing's gonna rock, man. 200 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: So thank you man, And I appreciated your support all 201 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: all along as I was doing it. And uh, and 202 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you you know what Rus said to me. 203 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, dude, you're diving into Mirrorlu. This 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: thing is gonna be awesome. Okay, So he knew and 205 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: that was like two years ago. This book took a 206 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: long time to get to get to where it is now. 207 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: But you know, you talk about, uh, what was going 208 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: on with the Madrasas in Pakistan, for example, But this 209 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: is the thing. Say, there's like this very specific process. Well, yeah, 210 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: there is. And that's what Merlu saw. By the way, 211 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: so did Robert Liften, who in the third chapter of 212 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: the book brainwashing, brainwashing for the audience. And there's a 213 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: lot of this kind of stuff in the book that 214 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: you should know, just the history of the things. That's 215 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: an American term. It's a neologism from the Mandarin for washmind, 216 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: which is actually what they were saying among the Chinese 217 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: in the early days of Mao is China, the early 218 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: days of the Cultural Revolution, was happening to people who 219 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: would be released. They're like, this person has had washmind. 220 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: We call it brainwashing because of Edward Hunter. He was 221 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: a journalist who came up with that. They had a 222 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: term for it, though the Chinese thought reform. It was 223 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: the reforming of your thoughts, and it was very systematic. 224 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: Where do they get it from the chi coms? They 225 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: got it from the Soviets. And now you want to 226 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: know where did the Soviets come up with some of 227 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: this stuff? The father of conditioning was Ivan Pavlov. Now 228 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: Pavlov is not a kami, but the first chapter I 229 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: get into is or rather I should say, you know, 230 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: recognize that the failures of communism, although he also benefited 231 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: from their system once they realized he was too important 232 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: a scientist to just like, let's starve in the streets, 233 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: because that was actually something that they're worried about, or 234 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: he was worried about at one point because of all 235 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: the failures of the Leninis system early on. 236 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: But Pavlov, it's fascinating. 237 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: Pavlov is doing the first scientific studies really of external stimuli. 238 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: Taken in by the brain affecting the body directly. 239 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: People knew that. 240 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: You know, they look at this, but this is the 241 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: earliest word he's proving because of the gastric secretions of dogs. 242 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: And this is where we get to the buzzer. 243 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: People have this whole thing about like Pavlov was great 244 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: at training dogs, he wasn't training dogs. He was running 245 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: scientific experiments to see what the brain body connection was. 246 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 3: And this correlation between the limbic response right, your parasympathetic 247 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: in your sympathetic nervous diet. I'm the dynamic integration of 248 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: those two things based on stimula, right exactly. 249 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: And so if you have enough of a stimulus from 250 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: the outside that over time is repeated and the brain 251 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: picks it up, even subconsciously, can there be a physiological response. 252 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: Of course, the answer was yes. But what was fascinating? 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: And I talk about this in the book which is 254 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: called Manufacturing Delusion, And I want all the pipe hitters 255 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: and snake heaters and ruts, audience, you will like this book, 256 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: all right, you know absolutely this is analysts analyze, damn it. 257 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: This is what I do. And this is a good book. 258 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: And you guys will appreciate it, you want to. 259 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: It's funny you bring that up because like when I 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: when you when you were telling me about it, like 261 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: for for me and I and you know, it's it's 262 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: it's sometimes it's difficult to acknowledge this, but we experienced 263 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: this and going through buds right Like I remember in 264 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: Hell week, like third night, You're sitting at late night 265 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: chaw or whatever it was, and an instructor would come 266 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: over and put like a glass of a cold ice 267 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: water next to you, just set it down, just put 268 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: it right down next to you, and I'd look at 269 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 3: it and immediately start shaking, like because I had developed 270 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: hydrophobia from being immersed in the water. And that was 271 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: the first time I was like, holy shit, I've just 272 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: been conditioned through the integration of this and it happened 273 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: like that, happened like that. 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: So let me take you back to the huge Eureka 275 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: movement moment in nineteen twenty four, and in some people's minds, 276 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of the scientific beginnings of brainwashing as a 277 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: as a thing that will be pursued, although again that 278 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: was not Pavlov's intent, but because of the revelation by 279 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the way they had spies in all of his labs. 280 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: The Soviets were paying lenin. They were incredibly attuned to 281 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Ivan Pavlov what he was doing, and they ended up 282 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: funding his stuff and giving him his own little scientific village. 283 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: But you know, he was kind of using them. They 284 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: were using him, it was. 285 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: And by the way I became I corresponded with the 286 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: premiere academic historian of Pavlov, a Professor Totis, just so 287 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to understand who this guy 288 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: really was. He's a written incredible, like one thousand page biography, 289 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: this guy, and he's a professor emeritus and JOHNS Hopkins anyway, 290 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: but I talked to him just so I could kind 291 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: of get, you know. 292 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: Squared away, and I would ask him questions. 293 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: And so Pavlaw in the lab there's a flood, okay, 294 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: And the flood in nineteen twenty four in Saint Petersburg, 295 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: it's just the whole city's basically just getting some merged 296 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: underwater because the river's overflown. 297 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: Well guess what. 298 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: The dogs, of course, are on the ground floor and 299 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: there are secually essentially these cages like kennel like situation, 300 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: and the dogs realize this is really bad. Right, we're 301 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: toast and they're they're all barking. They're all barking. You know, 302 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: you're a dog guy. I'm a dog guy. 303 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Get like I get like saddest thing, Me too, Me too. 304 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: However, the lab attendants were able to just break in 305 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: it though, So the dogs were they when they got in, 306 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: and this is according to the records. Their snouts were 307 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: above the water. They were literally just peeking up, just 308 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: able to get so you could, I mean so they 309 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: knew that, you know that there was not much time left. 310 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: They were dying. Basically, they're about to die. Lab technician 311 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: gets in and saves all the dogs. 312 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: But here's what happens. 313 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: These dogs have been conditioned for years, rut the conditioning 314 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: in about you know, a third of the dog's gone, 315 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: just gone, all of a sudden. Now the buzzer, nothing 316 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: happens all of a sudden. Now some of them that 317 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: were particularly friendly are really aggressive. Some that are really 318 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: shy are really bold. It flicked switches in these animals 319 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: that that endured trauma over hours as the water rose. 320 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: Brainwashing, brainwashing. 321 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: And now you see when you go into a maoist 322 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: thought reform sell, what do they do to people, They 323 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,239 Speaker 1: separate you from everyone else. They force you into false confession, 324 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: they drop all session and can they do struggle sessions. 325 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: They beat you, they say you're not sincere enough, even 326 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: what you say, even when you say what you're supposed 327 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: to say. They use a playbook of trauma to make 328 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: you abandon what you had believed before and replace it 329 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: with new belief. So this is how this stuff all 330 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: ties in. And now you say, well, buck, why do 331 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: we care about this stuff today? 332 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean, they're not beating you with truncheons. 333 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: But you go to a college campus and it's like, hey, 334 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: tell that purple hair dude it's actually a chick and 335 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: use the preferred pronouns, or we're going to kick you 336 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: out of school, or we're gonna say you're a bigot, 337 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: or we're gonna say whatever. Even Mirlu said, the tactics 338 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: are the same, if the force used is different, right, 339 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: interesting the same? 340 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right? So where do you think why? Why has? 341 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: All? Right, obviously it's easy to go back and reflect 342 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: on the twentieth century, right and say it's so obvious 343 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: when you look at all of those regimes, you look 344 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: like you look at at that manufactured delusion and the 345 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 3: systematic breakdown of the human psyche right through these conditioning mechanisms. 346 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: How does it continue to permit me? Like, would you 347 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: believe it? 348 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: Is it possible that the educational system is the easiest 349 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: conduit into the American public? Is it politics that does it? 350 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: Is it the media that does it? Like I mean, 351 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: you are this is a. 352 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: Great question, and not just because I like you, but 353 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: this is something I get into a lot. 354 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: Think of this, Think. 355 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: Of this as as you would the variations that occur. Again, 356 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: whether it's I mean that the subtitle of the book 357 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: Manufacturing Delusion is my book, which everybody should go get 358 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: a copy of who's watching this podcast because it's already 359 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: a bestseller and you will love the book and you'll 360 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: want to give it to people. But it's how the 361 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: left uses brainwashing and doctrination and propaganda against you. Those 362 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: are all variations on a theme, depending, you know, with 363 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: some some shifts in the tactics and the force used. 364 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: But they're all trying to bring about the same thing, 365 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: which is a molding of your neural processes in your 366 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: mind and your brain. And so it's all dependent upon 367 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: what what the entity is that you're you know, are 368 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: you trying to make somebody uh are you? Are you 369 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: operating within a totalitarian society, or are you bringing somebody 370 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: into a cult, or are you trying to bring somebody 371 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: into a political idealogy. I get into cults in the book, 372 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: by the way, and which. 373 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: Cults did you find? 374 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: Which cults that did you think we're the best examples 375 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: of that? 376 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 2: I mean, umschin Rikio is wild, dude. 377 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: It is these are educated, otherwise completely law abiding and 378 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: normal Japanese people who are paying thousands of dollars for 379 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: drops of water that they're told are bath water of 380 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: the dude who then wants them to use sharin gas 381 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: and kill everybody. 382 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: I mean, it is just nuts. And but you go again. 383 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: You get into the processes of how do you convince people? 384 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: How do you know? What promises do you make? How 385 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: do you separate them from family? 386 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: How do you know? How do you do these things 387 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: to uh? What? You know? 388 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Psychologists, by the way, they have terms too. They'll say 389 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: it's coercive persuasion is the broad term. But so what 390 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: are the different tools of coercive persuasion that are used? 391 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: And the thing is, if you ever watch a documentary. 392 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like, neither you nor I was able to 393 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: go to North Korea. But North Korea is effectively a 394 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: cult state. The whole state is a cult. It's just 395 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: as totalitarian force. But it's all built along the same 396 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: ideas of this is a cult leader. Everybody does exactly 397 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: what they're told. Everybody's brainwashed and you know, and that's 398 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: what you get. And so I mean sort of the 399 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: two takeaway concerns that I have that I want ever 400 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: understand is one, this exists already, meaning that you have 401 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: communists China where they control the thoughts of the Chinese 402 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: people to a large degree. I mean not entirely, but 403 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: to a degree that is that is authoritarian, if not totalitarian, 404 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: And some would argue, by the way, it's totalitarian, right, 405 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: but it's absolutely authoritarian mind control in this in the 406 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: second biggest country and second biggest economy in the world today. 407 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: So this isn't like, oh, but what if the all 408 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: the all the whales die and the and the sky's 409 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, turn purple or something, right, this is real. 410 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: And the other thing is that Amirlu's warning even from 411 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Rape of the Mind of the fifties, He's like, if 412 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: you don't think that this can happen, meaning mass yester 413 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: aia through mind control in Western says, look at Nazi Germany. 414 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: That's right. 415 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: I didn't realized Nazi Germany was pre Nazi Germany even 416 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: after World War One. Artistic, literary uh, free expression guaranteed 417 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: in the constitution, everything else. 418 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: The hub of thought, right, the hub of modern thought. 419 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the most sophisticated. 420 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: Someone argued maybe the moos sophisticated cultural and scientific. 421 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: Hub in the world. 422 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: And then it goes into the absolute grips of of 423 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: evil madness. There was a process that people were put 424 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: through that was it was done to them and done 425 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: on and people did it to others. And that is 426 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: how I mean, I viewed as the biggest threat to 427 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: humanity ruts. So that's really why I wanted to write 428 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the book, which is called Manufacturing Delusion, and everybody should 429 00:21:59,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: buy a copy of it. 430 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: I love it all. 431 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 3: Right, Before we get into the next aspect of this 432 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: madness right here, I just really want to talk about 433 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: how blessed we are to be sponsored by Black Rifle Coffee. 434 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: I've been a Black Rifle fan and supporter since the beginning, 435 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: since Evan came up with the idea years and years 436 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 3: and years ago. 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What 470 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: was the end result. So there's some you know, there's 471 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: some demoralization there. Then you've been going after young men, 472 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: convincing them that they're hostile to the world, they're oppressors. 473 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: So it's almost like there's been a programming already and 474 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: now what takes place next is really dependent on people 475 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: whether or not they have the understanding that this is 476 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: the reality, this is how it works, and how easily 477 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: people can be manipulated towards these radical ideologies. How do 478 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: you think we move forward other than buying your book 479 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: manufacturing to loser at bucksx dot com. Right, and how 480 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: do we how do we prepare right gen Z to 481 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: be able to begin to fight back against the potentiality 482 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: of this manufactured delution. 483 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: So there's a great lesson also from Pavlov's labs that 484 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: he always he struggled with but also took a bit 485 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: of heart from, which was that human beings are far 486 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: more complicated in their neurochemistry and they're wiring, if you will, 487 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: than dogs are, although dogs are actually you know his 488 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: two dog lovers. Dogs are very emotional and can be connected. 489 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: But even even under the even under laboratory conditions, you 490 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: can't really just replicate, you know, you can push things 491 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: in a direction, but there's always the imperfection if you're 492 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: trying to brainwash, if you're trying to coercively control the mind. 493 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Some dogs are just damn hard at doing that too. 494 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: And some of the dogs in the lab, by the 495 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: way that almost drowned were fine and they. 496 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: Were able to go forward and they maybe. 497 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: Maintained the conditioning, but also they maintain their personality. So 498 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: it is a very individualized thing, right, I Mean, people 499 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: go the old Maki. The Maki quote for a uh, 500 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, madness of crowds is that people go mad 501 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: in herds and only regain their senses one by one. 502 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: You know, you just don't want to be pulled into 503 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: that herd. You have to always maintain that one by 504 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: one attitude. So it's up to the individual. And with 505 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: technology now this stuff is more powerful than ever before, 506 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: meaning that we have you keep pulling up your phone. 507 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: I do that too in interviews with people. I'm like 508 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: this thing it was. It was innovative mind control in 509 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the Stalinist era to put posters of peasants everywhere. It worked, 510 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, it was like they created 511 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: this big brother thing of like the Soviet peasant is 512 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: the peasants were starving to death because of their horrible policies, 513 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: but because of the healthy, happy looking peasants everywhere, people 514 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: were kind kind of confused by the way. Confusion and 515 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: degradation are two of the menticidal pillars. 516 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: Uh. You know, by the book you've get more of this. 517 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: But uh, the the truth is that they never could 518 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: have dreamed of the amount of recurring propaganda that we're 519 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: subjecting ourselves to now. Right, We're we're inviting in. We're 520 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: inviting in the programming that has happened right all the time. 521 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: And when you add AI into that, you know, artificial 522 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: learning and these large language models and all this stuff, 523 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: now it's we're not just going to be programming you. 524 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: We're going to be able to program you with a reality. 525 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: That is at least visually indistinct from what is real, 526 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, indistinguishable what is real and what is false. 527 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: That's right. And now we're heading brothers. 528 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: So you know, I, you know, I, I just uh, 529 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: you know, you're You're you really. The thing that I've 530 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 3: always loved so much about you, Buck is is the 531 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: depth of your mind. And I think you know this 532 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: book reppers sense that commitment towards being able to deliver 533 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: a system that benefits people in a really significant way. 534 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: I am so excited to buy copy. And then next 535 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: time I come down, we play tennis, and I feel 536 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 3: your one hundred mile an hour serve. Perhaps you would 537 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: give me an autograph copy of it. 538 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: I love to one hundred and three Rutt, But who's counting? 539 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: Who's count all right? 540 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: But one last where can people buy it? This best 541 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: selling book? And how can they. 542 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: Give you manufacturing delusion. Buck Sexton is the author, that 543 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: is me. Amazon's obviously the easiest place. If you have 544 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: a local bookstore, go yell at the purple haired ogre 545 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: that will snort at you when you ask for the book, 546 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: because that's happened to a lot of my listeners when 547 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: they go to the local bookstore. But you can still try, 548 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: but honestly, Buck sexon dot com or just go right 549 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: to Amazon get a copy. 550 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: I did the audiobook, by the way, I read the 551 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: whole awesome. 552 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: So people have a commute or something, They're like, I 553 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: just want to be able to get this. As I go, 554 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: you'll get the whole thing there. And each chapter is 555 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: really meant to be kind of a standalone. And that's 556 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: why it's like you know, conditioning ment acide. It's if 557 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: you ever want to just go back and relearn or 558 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: remember what you learned. 559 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: About this stuff. I tried to build the book that way. 560 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: So that's the idea. 561 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: Well there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the great 562 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: Buck Sex, then father, husband, dog lover, and best selling author. 563 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: Radio. I'm told he does a radio awesome one. Someone 564 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: says he does a radio show. Yeah, anyway, brother, thank 565 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: you so much man. Great to see you, Yeah, great 566 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: to see you. 567 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 3: God bless you, buddy.