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Speaker 1: Cook. I'm Robert Evans, host Behind the Bastards, and my

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Speaker 1: producer Sophie right before we started recording, called Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: a cuck. So Elon, if you're listening, you have been

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Speaker 1: accused of being a Yeah, what's cuking my my lib

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Speaker 1: tards or whatever. I don't know. I just I hate

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Speaker 1: cook is an insult um. But I also really enjoy

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Speaker 1: saying cook, and I that's the thing I have to

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Speaker 1: hide because people who say cook on the internet are

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Speaker 1: all the worst people in Nate Silver, who is one

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Speaker 1: of the worst people, and I choose not to put

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Speaker 1: myself in that category. But it is fun to say cook.

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Speaker 1: But you can reclaim it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You can reclaim it. Yeah, But I don't want to

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Speaker 1: claim it in the context of Elon Musk because he's no,

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Speaker 1: I don't like him. I've been seeing Robert smile that

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Speaker 1: big in a really long time. He likes it when

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Speaker 1: I come on and make him lush and then and

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Speaker 1: also talk about cooks. Yeah, He's like, we have Alexandra here,

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Speaker 1: you live, Yeah, Sophia, Alexandra, how you doing, Sophia. I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, surviving in a current hell Yeah, I'm lying.

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Speaker 1: I'm spiraling. How about your Albert? I'm also spiraling. I'm

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Speaker 1: having such a bad day, Sophia. It sounds like you

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Speaker 1: are too. I'm so not happy to hear that. You

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Speaker 1: know what will make this day better? Um? Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna tell me about a bastard that I have been

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Speaker 1: dying to hear about? Yeah? I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about Elon Musk for like two and a half hours. Yes,

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Speaker 1: are you suing on board for this ship? Tessed with

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Speaker 1: him and his inability to be a good father and

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Speaker 1: just all of these other things, and his his relationship

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Speaker 1: with Grimes. There aren't things that I won't read about

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk because I find the whole thing fascinating. Also, Slee,

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Speaker 1: he's terrible, Yeah, he is. And I don't know. There

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Speaker 1: won't be as much about his kids in here, just

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Speaker 1: because I don't like talking about people's kids and I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard allegations of like abuse or anything like that. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I just mean his attitude on fatherhood, Like he's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'll be gone forever, yes, yes, yes, yeah, we will

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Speaker 1: be talking about that. We will be talking about We'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about super much about Grimes just because that's

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Speaker 1: all kind of new. But we'll be talking about his

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Speaker 1: relationships with women. We will be talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: of we will be talking too much. But I wrote

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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand words about Elon musk We're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking too much about him. He is the James Cameron

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Speaker 1: just you know from the way that he commits to

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Speaker 1: relationships compared to his movies, that he was like, for

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Speaker 1: sure a terrible father, uh and husband. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I like and fucking what's her face? Big Beelow When

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Speaker 1: and had to make her locker, She's like, this is

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Speaker 1: less traumatic than my marriage anyway, Sorry, the same to me.

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Speaker 1: It's the same to me, speaking as a career obsessed

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Speaker 1: we're bad people to be in relationships with. Dude, I'm

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Speaker 1: here to workaholic. Yeah, I mean you do live in

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Speaker 1: always will all that ship about moving to Texas his

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you'll feel differently the first ep

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Speaker 1: And I do think, do you know me? Yeah, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. He's he's an abuse victim. Um.

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Speaker 1: So like that's lame. Um, Like it's not lame to

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Speaker 1: be sure. Hitler had a tough for a while with

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's Hitler's mom's cancer that really gets tugged

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Speaker 1: things that have happened to bad people. What I want

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Speaker 1: And I do think some of the reasons Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: which maybe is being too picky, um, but this is

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: I hate him for all of the quote un right reasons,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of those so pretty fucking petty,

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Speaker 1: So there's some ship in there that I do not

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Speaker 1: need to hate him. Well, this will be good because

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Speaker 1: I will try to be scrupulously fair as I outline

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Speaker 1: every time I connect with some of your listeners who

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Speaker 1: the Internet or so that we never should have made.

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Speaker 1: But speaking about things that never should have been made,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about Elon musk Yeah. So I did

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Speaker 1: and started a life in Minnesota. He gave birth to

428
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: Elon's grandfather, Joshua Norman Holdeman in nineteen o two. John

429
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: kicked the bucket early in nineteen o seven after the

430
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: family moved to Canada, and so Elon's grandfather grew up

431
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: a citizen of that much better country. Joshua was an

432
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: adventurous lad into horseback riding, wrestling, and a lot of

433
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: good stuff. And he's a big inspiration to Elon because

434
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: of what like an adventurous cool guy he was. He

435
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: started his career breaking horses for farmers and competing in rodeos,

436
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: and then he moved to Iowa to get a degree

437
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: from D. D. Palmer School of Chira Practic who we

438
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: did an episode about. Um. Yeah, he went back home

439
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: afterwards and became a farmer. He didn't start working as

440
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: a chiropractor immediately, but then the depression hit and his

441
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: land was seized, and this convinced him that banks could

442
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: not be trusted. Uh. Joshua had a rough few years,

443
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: but eventually started working as a chiropractor and he made

444
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot of money. He married a dance instructor named Winifred,

445
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: and he bought his own plane, which he used to

446
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: take his growing family on adventurous vacations in nineteen fifty,

447
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: Joshua sold everything his family owned and moved to South Africa. Now,

448
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: I have not heard from anyone a really satisfying explanation

449
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: of why he did this. And everybody talks about Joshua

450
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: as if he was an awesome person and he is

451
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: a big inspiration to Elon Musk. But there is something

452
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: shady about this guy. Um Ashley Vance notes that he

453
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: was quote a man who forbade swearing, smoking Coca cola

454
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and refined flower, and that he moved to South Africa

455
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: because quote, he felt that the moral character of Canada

456
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: had started to decline. So no one says anything about

457
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: what Joshua believed ari race. He thought Canada was too

458
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: immoral in nineteen fifty and moved to South Africa. Put

459
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: some do some math. He's like, what I'm totally cool

460
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: with is systematic oppression and racism. What I am doubtful

461
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: about is how much ankle these ladies in Canada are showing. Yeah, Now,

462
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: he spent all this time in Africa taking constant plane

463
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: trips with his family. He would take all of his

464
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: kids on these like very adventurous rides across the continents

465
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: and to other continents. And stuff, and um, there's a

466
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: lot of he wrote a book about it. There's he

467
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: was like he's he's like the family's famous, like patron

468
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: of the family. UM, and Ellen never knew him. He

469
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: died when Ellen was like a baby, UM in a

470
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: plane crash because he hit some ship because he was

471
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: flying like an asshole, I guess, um. But so like

472
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: you could like Ellen grew up never knowing the guy,

473
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: but worshiping him because everyone in his family was always

474
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: telling stories about how cool he was. Um. That's obviously

475
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: like he's he was Elon's namesake, so this is like

476
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: a really important thing to him. But also Elon never

477
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: knew the guy. UM, so that's interesting. So Uh, May

478
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Musk Elon's mother and obviously that um that cool probably

479
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: a gigantic racist plane Dude's daughter. Um is noted as

480
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: having been a nerdy, beautiful woman. She worked as a model.

481
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: She still actually works as a model. Um, and she

482
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: was a finalist from Miss South Africa. Uh. Elon's father.

483
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: The man she married, was Errol Musk, and he grew

484
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: up near may H. The two dated off and on

485
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: for a while, and May pushed off constant request by

486
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: Errol that she married him. Eventually, she says he broke

487
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: her will. Quote he just never stopped proposing. So that

488
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: is so romantic. Oh my god. He wore her down persistently.

489
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I just want someone to ignore my wishes over and

490
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again

491
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: until I just succum. I mean that's Is there any

492
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: other way to make it with a woman but hitting

493
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: on her relentlessly until you break her. I want her

494
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: will and her spirit to be broken. Oh my gosh.

495
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: I want a locket that says will and a locket

496
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: that says spirit, and them both to have bones. Yeah, yeah,

497
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what won't break your will

498
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: in spirit, Sophia? Is it these goods and services? These

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: goods and services, respect consent. We're back, Uh yeah so

500
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: um yeah. Obviously some red flags at the start of

501
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Elon's parents marriage. Uh, this is something I think even

502
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: Ellen would agree with. Um. But the first few years

503
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: of the marriage were fine enough. The couple got pregnant immediately.

504
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: He was born like nine months in a couple of

505
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: days after they got married. Um, so they did not

506
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: waste any time. May gave birth to Elon on June

507
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: ninety one, nine months in two days after the wedding. Yeah.

508
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: Vance notes that Errol quote worked as a mechanical and

509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: electrical engineer and handled large projects such as office buildings,

510
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: retail complexes, residential subdivisions in an air force space. Will

511
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: may set up a practice as a dietitian. This is

512
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: not an accurate but it is weirdly incomplete. She does

513
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: not talk enough about Errol. There's some good reasons why

514
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't, but also it leaves out, I think a

515
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: very important aspect of the story that she she doesn't deny,

516
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: but she also does not talk about nearly enough to

517
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: the level of importance I think it has. The Musks

518
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: were extremely wealthy. Uh. Not only was May's family very comfortable,

519
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: but Errol owned a half share, a half share in

520
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: a fucking emerald mine. Um. And how he came to

521
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: own half of an emerald mine is really interesting. Um.

522
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: He later told an interviewer, quote, we were very wealthy.

523
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: We had so much money at times that we couldn't

524
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: even close our safe. One person we have to shove

525
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: the money in, and the other would slam the door shut,

526
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and then there'd still be all these notes sticking out,

527
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: and we'd sort of put them out and into our pockets.

528
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: They're just like us. Yeah. Now, the story of how

529
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: Errol came to own that emerald mine is real fucking shady,

530
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: he claims, because I've read his claims, and also he

531
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: is not a reliable narrator, so it's possible that all

532
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: of this is a lie, which I do think is

533
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: part of why Ashley Vance didn't include a lot that

534
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: he said in there. Um. But he says that he

535
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: and a friend were on a trip, flying their own

536
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: plane too, and in they landed in Djibouti, and like,

537
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: when they were walking around, they met who he met.

538
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: They met who he describes as quote a group of

539
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Italians who just wanted to buy a plane, and they

540
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: paid eighty thousand pounds in cash. And while they were paying,

541
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: Errol says, one of them was just like, hey, you

542
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: want to buy half of an emerald mine in Zambia,

543
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: And so he says, quote, I said, oh, all right,

544
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: So I became half owner of the mine and we

545
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: got emeralds for the next six years. And regular rich

546
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: people should just regular ship just chill ass rich people

547
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: condos say you want half this emerald mine? Yeah, this

548
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: is something you'll see brought up a lot, particularly by

549
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: kind of like left wing critics of Musk on Twitter.

550
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: They'll say that Elon Musk's dad, like this is one quote,

551
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's dad stolen Emerald Mind and Zambia and exploded

552
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: the natives for cheap labor, which might be true, probably

553
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: is true, but there just actually aren't any details about

554
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the Mind, about its conditions, about how he came to

555
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: really own it, about like, like, we just don't know

556
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: fucking anything really about that mine other than his claim

557
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: that a group of Italians randomly asked if he wanted

558
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: to buy into it with his plane money. Um So

559
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I do have to say, does sound like a villain origins? Yeah,

560
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: like almost almost certainly a really shady story there, but

561
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: we really know very little about it. Um. I would

562
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: love to see a deep dive into what the funk

563
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: happened with that Emerald Mind, but I have not run

564
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: into any hard evidence about it. Um. Now, we do

565
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: know that Errol Musk was a millionaire before the age

566
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: of thirty, and that his wealth allowed him to move

567
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: the family to a very nice house in an exclude

568
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: of whites only neighborhood in Pretoria. As a toddler, Ellen

569
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: was precocious. His mom felt that he was unusually intelligent,

570
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: which I'm sure most moms feel. It's also probably true,

571
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: Vance writes quote. The perplexing thing was that Ellen seemed

572
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: to drift off into a transit. Times people spoke to him,

573
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: but nothing got through when he had a certain distant

574
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: look in his eyes. This happened so often that Elon's

575
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: parents and and doctors thought that he might be deaf.

576
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes he just didn't hear you said, May. Doctors ran

577
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: a series of tests on Elon and elected to remove

578
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: his adnnoyed glance, which can improve hearing in children. Will

579
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: he did get too, Yeah, they like Elon musk. I

580
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: also hate I'm just I'm not gonna go. Yeah. It

581
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: is one of those things where like, yeah, you're a mom,

582
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: your mom talking about how smart you are is always weird,

583
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: but like it's always like who knows how credible that is?

584
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: But also something was clearly like he's clearly not like

585
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a normal kid, Like you don't just have to

586
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: give your kid surgery because they space out, because they're

587
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: just like a normal Like he was definitely like you know,

588
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: like different, um and that that seems to be not

589
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: just like myth building, right. Um, so I mean I

590
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: had him removed because I have had constant ear infections.

591
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that just wasn't like a sexy and origin story.

592
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they were like, yeah, he's we don't want to

593
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: talk about all the ear infections he got. Let's make

594
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: this something my Maybe they're all lying. I don't know.

595
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he um, yeah, I don't. And

596
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: the women, like his ex wife, says that he would

597
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: also do this like this is like he just kind

598
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of like blanks out and gets lost inside himself all

599
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: the time. Um, I don't know, it's just a thing

600
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: he does. Uh. May claims that she eventually realized Elon

601
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: was just going into his own little world and you know,

602
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: again her anglish, like he's just so brilliant that he's

603
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: thinking so hard about things. Um. It's definitely true that

604
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: it did not make him popular among his classmates. Quote,

605
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: you could do jumping Jack's right next right beside musker

606
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: yell at him and he would not even notice. He

607
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: kept right on thinking, and those around him judge that

608
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: he was either rude or really weird. I do think

609
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Ellen was always a little different but in a nerdy way.

610
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: May said it didn't endear him to his peers. And

611
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: this is another running thing in Elon's childhood that he

612
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: had like no friends. Um. He later had close relationships

613
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: with like his brother and sister and his cousins, but

614
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: they didn't even really like him all that much when

615
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: he was a kid because he was just like weird. Um.

616
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: He was bad at um. You know, you feel for

617
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: the kid actually, like when you read enough about him,

618
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: because he was clearly like often his own little world

619
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: and he took a lot of ship for it, um,

620
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: which I identify with because so was I. Um. He

621
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: spent every spare moment of his childhood reading books, sometimes

622
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: two in a single day, and he would like ignore

623
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: other people to read books. Yeah, I did that too,

624
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of what like I and I got

625
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: shipped for it, like I was always reading books and

626
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: stuck in my own little world and like until I

627
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: was bigger than everybody else, Like I got like like

628
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: like punched and stuff as a kid for that ship.

629
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: And Ellen did too, And it sucked. And I sympathize

630
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: with him for that. That's a lame thing to have

631
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to deal with. Uh. He went through fantasy class like

632
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings, but soon gravitated towards science fiction.

633
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: He lists the libertarian epic The Moon Is a Harsh

634
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Mistress and The Great Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as

635
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: influential books, which I also same. Yeah, yep, yeah, he

636
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: also just read a lot of encyclopedias. Um. This made

637
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Elon into a know it all, uh, the kind of

638
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: kid who kind of felt the need to compulsively inform

639
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: everyone around him that he thought they were wrong about

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: specific facts. And he was unable or unwilling to not

641
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: do this even when it cost him shit. Uh. And

642
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Ashley Vance's book Now. As a youngster,

643
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Elon's constant yearning to correct people in his abrasive manner

644
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: would put off other kids and added his feelings of isolation.

645
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: Elan genuinely thought that people would be happy to hear

646
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: about the flaws in their thinking. Kids don't like answers

647
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: like that, said may They would say, Ellen, we are

648
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: not playing with you anymore. I felt very sad as

649
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: a mother, because I think he wanted friends. Kimball and Tosca.

650
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: His brother and sister would bring home friends and Elan

651
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't and he would want to play with them, but

652
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: he was awkward. You know. May urged Kimball and Tosca

653
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: to include Elon. They responded, as kids will, but Mom,

654
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: he's not fun. Yeah, fun too for quite a bit. Yeah,

655
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's like, if you're thinking about it

656
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: in the context of, like he grew into this problematic adult,

657
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: it's funny. But if you think about like just as

658
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: a little kid, like, yeah, that sucks, and like he

659
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything bad at that point. He was a

660
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: little kid, and I'm not laughing at him. I'm just

661
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: laughing at how cruel it is to be a kid. Yeah,

662
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: it is. It sucks. Like being a kid is the

663
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: worst thing you can be. Dude, I got bullied heavy.

664
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm out sympathizing with the bullies. I'm

665
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: just saying I think we all know that feeling when

666
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: people will not funk with you. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks,

667
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: um And you know, it got worse for Elon when

668
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: he was still a boy. His parents divorced, and his

669
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: mother moved across the country to the family's holiday home

670
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. Uh The cause appears to have

671
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: been infidelity by Errol, who years later told interviewers, I

672
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: had a very pretty wife, but there were always prettier

673
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: younger girls. I really loved May, but I screwed up.

674
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: And then when he's saying he's screwed up, he's dogging her.

675
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, but she was kind of ugly. They

676
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: were better looking people. I should also note that, um,

677
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: that interview I found was written about him after he

678
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: married his stepdaughter, who was I think twenty two, when

679
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: he was sixty something and had a baby with her.

680
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's a gross gut. He is a terrible person.

681
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: Elon Musk hates his dad and is emphatic that he

682
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: is a terrible person. Um. And I think he's really

683
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: telling the truth about that. I think he hates his

684
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: dad for a very good reason, because his dad is

685
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: a gigantic piece of shit. Um. Yeah, Elon went with

686
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: his mom at first, but he soon decided to move

687
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: back in with his father. And he says that this

688
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: is because he felt bad for his dad because his

689
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: dad was alone. UM. Elon's ex wife, Justine feels differently.

690
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: She says that she thinks this is because he quote

691
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: identified more with the alpha male of the house and

692
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: wasn't he if. She also notes that he wasn't close

693
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: to either of his parents, that they were a very

694
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: cold family, and that there wasn't a lot of like

695
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: emotional warmth between anyone in the family. That's Justine's claim

696
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: as his ex wife. Again, I don't know any of

697
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: these people. Um. Yeah, either way, Elon claims that he

698
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: immediately regretted moving in with his father. Now, Uh, Errol

699
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: was I think, by all accounts a brilliant engineer. Nobody

700
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: really disagrees with that, and he taught young Ellen a

701
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: lot of his first lessons about engineering and science. But

702
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: this was not a pleasant process. Errol had a habit

703
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: of sitting Elon and his brother down and lecturing them

704
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: to three or for three or four hours at a stretch.

705
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: He did not take questions and did not react well

706
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: when either boys spoke up, even to ask questions. Yeah,

707
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: he's he's a piece of ship press conference. Yeah, there

708
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: are a lot of unanswered questions about Errol Musk and

709
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: one can't study Elon's background without walking away convinced that

710
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: the way Errol treated Elon during the years they lived

711
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: together had a powerful and a negative impact on the

712
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: future billionaire, but parsing out the extent of that impact

713
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: is hard. For example, we know that Errol Musk killed

714
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: three men who broke into his house. Um. We know

715
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: that some people have said that this was just a

716
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: straight up murder. It was. He was acquitted and the

717
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: case was ruled self defense. And I don't know, but

718
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: I think they were black. I don't know, though I

719
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: do not know. It is hard to find. I have

720
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: not found details. If you know to fucking search up

721
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: old South African murder cases, look it up. But while

722
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: Ellen and his sister were like living with him, Errol

723
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: Musk fucking killed three dudes. That's such a chill childhood, right, Yeah.

724
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: And it's also possible that that was like he's a

725
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: piece of ship. But also this was totally legitimate self

726
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: defense because South Africa's really has a lot of fucking

727
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: problems with home invasions that turned violent. Like what, I

728
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, um. Elon does not like to

729
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: talk about it, and I understand that. Um, And you

730
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: get the feeling he is terrified of his dad, and

731
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: also you get the feeling that he fucking should be like, uh,

732
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Errol susks a real problematic dude. UM. Now yeah, I

733
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: just don't know much about that case. Uh yeah. So uh,

734
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: while he did grow up in apartheid South Africa and

735
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: he absolutely benefited from that racist state. He absolutely, like

736
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: his family was very wealthy. Um. And they were wealthy

737
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: at least in part due to apartheid, and Ellen benefited

738
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: from that. I do not think there is any blame

739
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: you can throw on him for that because he was

740
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: number one hated living in South Africa. Um. This is

741
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: a very consistent aspect of his backstory. Everyone who knew

742
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: him points out that he was deeply connected to his

743
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: American roots and for his entire childhood wanted to get

744
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the funk out of South Africa and moved to the

745
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: United States. He repeatedly tried to convince his father to

746
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: move to the US. At one point, Errol got frustrated

747
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: enough by this that he sent all of the housekeepers

748
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: home and made Elon do all of their chores so

749
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: that he would know what it was like. To quote

750
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: play American, Um, which tells you what Errol Musk thought

751
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: it meant to be an American. It means that you

752
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: can't have any black people working for you. Uh um Oh,

753
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: the horror having to do your own law carey is

754
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: what he was trying to teach him. He's like, imagine

755
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: what it would be like if you were just a person. Yeah,

756
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: and the Elon musk like, again, it's very worthwhile to

757
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: point out that he benefited financially from apartheid, but also

758
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: like he fucking hated it there um And that's really

759
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: consistent in every story about his background. Uh. For his part,

760
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Errol claims Elon's upbringing was opulent and thoroughly positive. Quote.

761
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: I drove them to school in a convertible rules Royce Corniche.

762
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: They had thoroughbred horses to ride and motorbikes at the

763
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: age of fourteen. They were spoiled. I suppose maybe that's

764
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: why Ellen is acting like a spoiled child now. And

765
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: this was been they were having a big public fight

766
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: in the press. Um now. Ashley Vance's book all but

767
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: ignores Errol in his side of events, which conflict regularly

768
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: with Elon's own recollections. For example, Elon claims that his

769
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: youthful interest in computers clashed with his father, who thought

770
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: studying computers was a waste of time. Errol disagrees with that.

771
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from an interview in the

772
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald. Uh, this is Errol Elon has repeatedly

773
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: told a story of me telling him that computers were

774
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: a waste of time. That's untrue. Recounting early signs of

775
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: his son's intellect with genuine pride, he continues, Elon has

776
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: been generous enough to admit that he inherited his scientific

777
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: genius from me. When he was eleven, he pestered me

778
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: to pay a huge sum to let him attend to

779
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: computer course where the first with the first IBM PC

780
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: with mouse and keyboard was to be presented for the

781
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: first time, groundbreaking stuff. I told him to be quiet

782
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: and well behaved, to give up his seat to someone

783
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: if necessary. It had set on the step at the

784
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: side of the stage. When I came back after two

785
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: hours to collect him, I found most people had left,

786
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: but a group had gathered at the foot of the stage,

787
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: and the center was my small son. His sleeves rolled up,

788
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: talking earnestly. A professor listening to him turned to me

789
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: and said, this boy needs to get one of these computers.

790
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: I think Elan is probably closer to telling the truth

791
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and that his dad was a dick about this, but

792
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: also now that his son has being very successful, Errol

793
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: wants everyone to think that Elan is a genius because

794
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: of how it reflects on Errol. That's the feeling I

795
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: get reading a lot of both men. That's how I

796
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: interpret all this. You are really a done fighting really

797
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: strongly with Ellen and I it's I've never seen you

798
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: like this about any bastard, are you in life? No?

799
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: I just as a kid number one. He and I

800
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: like this. I think he's blushing look at him. No, no, no, no, no,

801
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: you gotta give that. You gotta be fair. I've seen

802
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: him like this. You know, somebody one thing but in love,

803
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: but you know, somebody's super funwed up. When Robert does

804
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: that weird giggle thing where he's like, yeah, he's like

805
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: and then he did that yeah, and you're like, oh, ship,

806
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: that's that's some dark shit. And yeah, I mean he's he's, he's,

807
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: he's he's setting the stage for what's it's happened, don't worry. Yeah,

808
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's going to he's not going to deserve

809
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: any of this sympathy. But also like he had a

810
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: fucked up childhood, and he gets some sympathy as a

811
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: result of that. Um, I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm

812
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: just saying I've never seen you like this. Yeah, most

813
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: of them don't have Most of the Bachards don't have

814
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: this sympathetic a back story. You know, they're not all

815
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: like Saddam Hussein, who was like a perfect flower child. Um,

816
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: and he you really root for as a little kid

817
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: when he's holding his teachers up at gunpoint. Um or

818
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: j Stall, I love little kids, Stalin. He was. He

819
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: was a good one too. Like, I don't know, it's

820
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: hardy not to read about kids in general and not

821
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: be sympathetic. Like they all reach a point where they

822
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: stop earning your sympathy, but like they all at some point,

823
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: we're just like fucking trying to figure out the world.

824
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like, uh, the only way

825
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: we can live in this world as if we think

826
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: that people are capable of change, whether it's little kids

827
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: or adults. And with little kids there's a sense that

828
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: there's more potential for change than at any other time.

829
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I also do feel that if you're

830
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: going to properly condemn someone for the bad things they've done.

831
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: You have to be very fair about their life and

832
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: about like what they actually are. Um. And at this

833
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: point in the story, Ellen's like a little kid with

834
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: a crazy abuse of lent dad, and he's a rich kid.

835
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: But like, fuck, that's not easy still, um now obviously,

836
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Errol paints himself as generally available in a

837
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: supportive dad who would worst over and indulged his children.

838
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Ellen and his brother Kimball both tell very different stories.

839
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote from the Ashley Vance's biography again.

840
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: While Elon and Kimball declined to provide an exact accounting,

841
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: they clearly experienced something awful and profound during those years

842
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: with their father. They both talked about having to endure

843
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: some form of psychological torture. He definitely has serious chemical stuff,

844
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: said Kimball, which I am sure Ellen and I have inherited.

845
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: It was a very emotionally challenging upbringing it, but it

846
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: made us who we are today. May bristled when the

847
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: subject of Errol came up. Nobody gets along with him,

848
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: she said, he is not nice to anyone. I don't

849
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: want to tell stories because they are horrendous. You know,

850
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: you just don't talk about it. There are kids and

851
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: grandkids involved, and Justine, his ex wife, notes that like

852
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: they agreed very early on that none of their kids

853
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: were going to know their grandpa. Um. So like that's

854
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: the guy we're dealing with here. Um, but there's all

855
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: that's the laugh. So when Ashley Vance told Ellen that

856
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: she had emailed his father, his answer to her was

857
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: very telling. Quote, it would certainly be accurate to say

858
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: that I did not have a good childhood. It may

859
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: sound good, it was not absent of good, but it

860
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: was not a happy childhood. It was like misery. He's

861
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: good at making life miserable, that's for sure. He can

862
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: take any situation, no matter how good it is, and

863
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: make it bad. He is not a happy man. I

864
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: think that could probably be true of Actually Ellen musk himself, honestly,

865
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: but um, that is what happens. Child abuse will suck

866
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: you up for life. Yep, yep. You know what won't

867
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: suck you up for life, Sophia goods and services. These

868
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: products and services will not abuse your children and turn

869
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: them into billionaires who are emotionally distant and start fucking

870
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: nonsense ship on Twitter for no good reason. We're back.

871
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Also of your best work. I have to say thank you. So. Um,

872
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: now you've heard the emeralds story, right, you've heard it

873
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: vaguely mentioned something about Elon Musk and emeralds in his pockets. Yes, again,

874
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: it's just such a stuff. I love it. Yeah yeah,

875
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: if you you you you hear this a lot that

876
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: like Elon's family was so in like his dad owned

877
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: half of an emerald mine. Um, people like the Frasier

878
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: usually hears that he like walked down with emeralds in

879
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: his pockets. And then anecdote is based on a Business

880
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Insider article that interviewed Errol Musk. It opens with the

881
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: line quote, a teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets

882
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: of New York with emeralds in his pocket. Uh. And

883
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: the story Erald tells that does seem to be true

884
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: is that during a visit to New York City when

885
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Ellen was sixteen, he and his brother Uh stole a

886
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: couple of the emeralds that his dad just like casually

887
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: had with him all the time. Uh. And they walked

888
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: into a Tiffany and Company on Fifth Avenue and asked

889
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: if the employees wanted to buy emeralds. And apparently you

890
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: can do that apparently if you walk into Tiffany's but

891
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: just like a fucking emerald, they'll they'll buy it from

892
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: you from like some sixteen year olds. Wait wait, wait,

893
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: like now you still do that? Or is this like

894
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: old school fucking mobb dub Tiffany's. Like what this is

895
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: like the late eighties? I guess, so maybe it's mobbed

896
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: up Tiffanies. It does seem like legally you shouldn't buy

897
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: emeralds from sixteen year old to walk it off the street.

898
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, on the other hand, there won't be any paperwork. Yeah,

899
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: what's the sixteen year old gonna do? Yeah, I don't

900
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: know the standards in this industry. That seems shady to me.

901
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, what what's what are the ethics and

902
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: the and the complexities and the realities of selling a

903
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: loose emerald you just brought with you from your dad's mind.

904
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: What are any of the words that are coming out

905
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: of my mouth right now? Yeah? Like it's simultaneously highlights

906
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: how rich this kid was, but also is like, honestly,

907
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: when you understand his background with his dad, one of

908
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: the more emotionally understandable things that he did because he

909
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: was just like, fuck you, dad, I'm gonna take your

910
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: emeralds and I'm gonna like probably buy fucking drugs or

911
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: whatever with my brother and like steal from you. Um,

912
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. They sold them for two thousand dollars.

913
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: A few days later, they returned to see the eight

914
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: hundred dollar emerald. They sold set into a ring for

915
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand dollars, and Errol claims that this was

916
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: a key lesson for Elon on how retail works. Um.

917
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the lesson Elon took out

918
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: of it, but it's a wild thing to have in

919
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: your childhood. I mean, my mom taught me the same

920
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: lesson about money one time because like, um, it was

921
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: like it was in Odessa and I had like a

922
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: broken arm, and she was like, hey, you should go

923
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and stand in line for chickens and maybe they'll let

924
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: you go to the front to get a chicken, because, um,

925
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: your arm's broken. It's totally the same thing, right, It's

926
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the same story is as this emerald story, right, just

927
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: like a cool valuable lesson where you realize you just

928
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: let go of an emerald that was like accidentally worth

929
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: over two dollars. Pretty similar, I think still learning about

930
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: value of money, right, still learning. I mean we all

931
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: have a version of that lesson. Right for most of us,

932
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not Emeralds. It's like we actually the car and

933
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: the most unrelatable person of all time. Other than the abuse,

934
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean, just the rich parts are hilarious sounding. The

935
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: emerald parts are just driving me. I mean, yeah, it's

936
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: just like it's just a rich kid's story. Yeah, so

937
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: elon Musk. Um, Yeah, it's weird because like he both

938
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: definitely benefited from all this financial security. He also like

939
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: pretty regularly you can find a lot of interviews where

940
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 1: he is like either at tears or at the point

941
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: of tears talking about his dad, Like he's clearly really

942
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: fucked up about his issues with his dad, and you

943
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that it makes sense, like fucking

944
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: killed three people, Like who the funk knows what was

945
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: going on in that house? Um. He also endured a

946
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: lot of physical abuse at the hands of his classmates.

947
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Musk spent eighth ninth grade at Branston High School, UH,

948
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: where one particular set of bullies decided to go after him.

949
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: He later recalled quote, I was basically hiding from this

950
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: gang that was fucking hunting me down for god knows

951
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: fucking why. I think I accidentally bumped this guy at

952
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: assembly that morning and he'd take and some huge offense

953
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: at that Later that day, while Ellen was eating lunch,

954
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: this kid snuck up on him and kicked him in

955
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the head and then shoved him down the stairs. When

956
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: Ellen reached the bottom, a bunch of boys gathered around

957
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: him and started kicking him while the first bully slammed

958
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: his head into the ground. He eventually blacked out. Ellen

959
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital and he was out

960
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: of school for a week. He had to get a

961
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: nose job as an adult to correct the damage done

962
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: to him during this beating. That's fucked up, Like, that's

963
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: beyond normal bullying. I'd say, yeah, that's real fuck up. Yeah,

964
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: and the beatings continued. Um. A few years later, must

965
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: claims that the same group of boys found out that

966
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: Ellen had finally made a friend, which was not a

967
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: normal thing for Ellen to have, uh, and they beat

968
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: this kid up until he agreed to stop being Elon's friend. Um.

969
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: He also claimed that they got this kid, who he

970
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: describes as my best fucking friend to quote lure me

971
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: out of hiding so they could beat me up and

972
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: that fucking hurt, which obviously it did. That's pretty bad.

973
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I also really feel bad for that kid. Yeah, and

974
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: you're being nice and then someone's like, no good deed

975
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: goes and punish. Yeah, you're fucking dead, not dead, but

976
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you know that's that's that's really a lot that's punishing

977
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: kindness on like either and a lot of harm was

978
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: done to the world as a result of these bullies. Um,

979
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: how old is He's like fucking fifteen, sixteen at this point,

980
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: so he's already in high school. Yeah. Yeah, And things

981
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: got a little better for him when he was like sixteen.

982
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: He started going to Pretoria Boys School, which is a

983
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: ludicrously expensive, all white prep school. Um, and he spent

984
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: the last bit of his high school there. He didn't

985
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: really shine academically. He wasn't a great student, but he

986
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. Um. He distinguished himself with his extra curricular activities,

987
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: which were primarily building very dangerous homemade rockets out of

988
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: explosives that he gathered himself. Uh. He still regards the

989
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: fact that he didn't lose any fingers as something of

990
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: a miracle. The relatively few classmates Elon was friendly with

991
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: do recall him being obsessed with space travel and solar

992
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: power from an early age. Both of those stances were

993
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: odd in South Africa. He talked a lot about the

994
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: need for human nity to colonize other planets and the

995
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: fundamental stupidity of fossil fuels. While Elon did not have

996
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: great grades, his talent with computers was enough to get

997
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: him into a special programming class where in nineteen eight

998
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: four he programmed a video game was based around defending

999
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: the Earth from powerful aliens. Elon graduated at age seventeen.

1000
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: He attended the University of Pretoria for five months before

1001
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: fucking off from South Africa forever to take advantage of

1002
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: his family history and moved to Canada. And by the way,

1003
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: if we're going to talk about take a look at

1004
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's privilege, the fact that his grandfather was a

1005
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: Canadian citizen, uh and how that benefited him is actually

1006
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: more meaningful um than the apartheid stuff. And in fact,

1007
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: it very likely. It's very likely that Musk left South

1008
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: Africa in part to avoid his mandatory conscription in period

1009
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: of service in the South African military. There was no

1010
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: other reason for him to go to the University of

1011
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: Pretoria for five months, but to avoid getting drafted and

1012
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: spending time in the military, which is like a good thing.

1013
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Avoiding serving in an apartheid military is like a like

1014
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: it that's what you want people who might get drafted

1015
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: by an apartheid military to do. Is not right, I

1016
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: mean not just apartheive military, but especially Yeah, my cousin

1017
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: um in Ukraine, like my aunt wanted to make sure

1018
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: that her and him moved out um before he was

1019
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: of age to get drafted in the army. It's like,

1020
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: it's a real concern. People don't. Yeah, I've had some

1021
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: Israeli friends who did the same thing. And in fact,

1022
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: one guy who I hung out with a lot in

1023
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: India who like can never go back because he like

1024
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: skipped out on the draft. Uh yeah, yeah, And that's

1025
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: a good thing to do. It's a good thing that

1026
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: he did. Uh, so good on you, Ellen for not

1027
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: serving in an apartheid military. But the bad thing he did,

1028
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that at the end of this this

1029
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: first part here. Um. So, he arrived in Canada in

1030
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: June and when he landed he had a handful of

1031
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: phone numbers from family members he'd never met. He called

1032
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: people in eventually found a second cousin in a small

1033
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: town miles from where he landed who was willing to

1034
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: put Elon up for a while. So he took a

1035
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: bus and he hitched a ride to that guy's house.

1036
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: This is a big part of Elon's preferred version of

1037
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: his story, that he landed penniless in Canada and hitchhiked

1038
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: around with a backpack until he managed to put together

1039
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: enough odd work to keep himself fed and develop the

1040
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: idea for his first business. Parts of that are true,

1041
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: but what Elon always neglects to mention, and what his

1042
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: biographer allows him to neglect to mention, is the financial

1043
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: privilege he enjoyed. One gets the feeling reading Errol's interviews

1044
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: that Elon had access to the cash that he needed

1045
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: if his efforts collapsed um and he was privileged enough

1046
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: to afford the plane ticket and enough cash to survive

1047
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: for at least the first few months that he was

1048
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: in Canada, albeit frugally. Errol absolutely would have bailed his

1049
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: son out if Elon had needed it. And while that

1050
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: would have, you know, enacted a psychological price on Elon,

1051
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: and I don't want to discount that psychological price. It

1052
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: was not the kind of bohemian period he really depicts

1053
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: it at he had a safety net. More people should

1054
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: be honest about that kind of stuff because building that

1055
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: myth of like, oh, as an artist, this is how

1056
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I did it. I didn't have anything special. I just

1057
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: went out and risk my dreams. Like so frequently find

1058
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: out we find out that these people either have either

1059
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: had connections or a financial like security net. It's a

1060
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: totally different thing to go out on your own and

1061
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: pursue something when you know that if you fail, you

1062
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: might go on the street. It's not to say that

1063
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: there's no risk involved, period, but I think we should

1064
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: we should stop making mythologizing this kind of stuff because

1065
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: then I think all the really uh crazy things that

1066
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: have to come together for someone to make it, to

1067
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: make their dreams come true. It doesn't just have to

1068
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: do with talent. It's like a million other things. And

1069
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: people that are born into privilege have like such a

1070
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: leg up. Yeah, and what we will be talking about

1071
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: that more, particularly in part two when it gets even

1072
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: more relevant. Ellen spent a brief period of time after

1073
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: this doing working class gigs. The Worrist of which was

1074
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: probably cleaning out the boiler room of a lumber mill.

1075
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: He took this job because required him to wear a

1076
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: hazmat suited was the iighest paid entry level job. Around

1077
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: thirty people started with him at the beginning of his

1078
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: first week. By the end of it, he was one

1079
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: of three who remained. For the next few months, Elon

1080
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: bummed around Canada, taking odd gigs, saving money, staying with family,

1081
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: and figuring out what the funk to do with his life.

1082
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: His brother Kimball eventually followed him over. Ellen enrolled at

1083
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: the Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario in late nineteen nine,

1084
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: a university that he had picked out because it had

1085
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: more hot chicks than the other school he was considering. Nose. Yeah,

1086
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean I was eighteen, and that's pretty normal. Decision

1087
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: making doesn't make it good, but it isn't weird. I

1088
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: think what's really weird is the idea that, like, a

1089
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: particular area has hotter people than another area and making

1090
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: her decisions based on that as if like that's some

1091
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of it's not good, but it is male. Like

1092
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: it's not what science is just like dick science, you

1093
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: know what, like doesn't make any sense. But when you're hard,

1094
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, no that saw the send. No, yeah,

1095
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: you go with school with all the hot chicks. Yeah.

1096
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna fucking follow this chub owner. Saw

1097
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: you do it? Yeah it is yeah. Uh so. According

1098
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: to Musk's biography quote, outside of his studies, Ellen wouldn't

1099
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: read the newspaper alongside Kimball, and the two of them

1100
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,479
Speaker 1: would identify interesting people that they would like to meet.

1101
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: They then took turns cold calling these people to ask

1102
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: if they were available to have lunch. Among the harassed

1103
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: was the head of marketing for the Toronto Blue Jays

1104
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: baseball team, a business writer for the Globe and Mail,

1105
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: and a top executive at the Bank of Nova Scotia,

1106
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Peter Nicholson. Nicholson remembered the boys call well, I was

1107
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: not in the habit of getting out of the blue requests,

1108
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: he said, I was perfectly prepared to have lunch with

1109
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: a couple of kids that had that kind of gumption.

1110
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: It took six months to get on Nicholson's calendar, but

1111
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: sure enough, the Musk brothers made the three hour train

1112
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: ride and showed up on time. Nicholson's first exposure to

1113
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: the Musk Brothers left him with an impression many would share.

1114
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Both presented themselves well and we're polite. Elon, though clearly

1115
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: came off as the geeky er, more awkward counterpoint to

1116
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: the charismatic, personable Kimball. I became more impressed and fascinated

1117
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: as I talked to them. Nicholson said, they were so determined.

1118
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Nicholson ended up offering Elon a summer internship at a

1119
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: at the bank and became his trusted advisor. Keep that

1120
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: in mind too, because he launched it talks this guy later,

1121
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: uh for no good reason. Um, but yeah, uh that's Nate.

1122
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I guess like it does like and this actually kind

1123
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: of guess what you're saying that kibbles the charismatic one.

1124
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: He definitely is, uh not a high bar. But um,

1125
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: this does get to like another thing in talking about

1126
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: like the nature of privilege, because I'm sure Ellen thinks

1127
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: about that as an example of like how he went

1128
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: out and seized life and didn't benefit from privilege. But

1129
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: like there's a privilege in knowing how to talk to rich,

1130
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: fancy business people because you grew up in that world

1131
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: and you do understand what they expect. And are impressed

1132
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: by um. Like it's a kind of privilege that not

1133
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: everybody grows up getting, like the fact, like, and that's

1134
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: the thing that like, even though his dad didn't make

1135
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: that connection for him, his background and upbringing helped him

1136
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: make that connection. And that is kind of an and

1137
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: a level of privilege we don't talk about as much

1138
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: as we ought to because it is a little bit

1139
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: less obvious. Um. Yeah, I think any kind of I

1140
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: think it's very easy for someone that's grown up around

1141
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: a certain way of being to not understand that other

1142
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: people don't have don't have that access. It's like that

1143
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: whole thing with you know, um fish not noticing that

1144
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: they're in water or whatever. You know what I'm talking about.

1145
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: It's um. It's that like common UM metaphor that people

1146
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: use about how privilege, uh, how it is to grow

1147
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: up in privilege that someone needs to point out to

1148
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: you what it is that you have that you've always

1149
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: just taken for granted, like air like you like you

1150
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: just don't you don't process it as being anything that

1151
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: UM is unique. You think everybody has this as opposed

1152
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: to Oh, actually, I'm in a very small percentage of

1153
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: people that have this security or this access or this whatever. Yeah,

1154
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you got it right, yep. Uh. So, during his time

1155
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: at Queen's, Elon met a young woman named Justine Wilson.

1156
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: They would later end up marrying, but at the time,

1157
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: Ellen was interested in another young woman, Christie, who recalls

1158
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: that when they met, quote, I believe the second sentence

1159
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: out of his mouth was I think a lot about

1160
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: electric cars, um, which gives you an idea about this

1161
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: guy's game. Um. He also told her that he, yeah,

1162
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: he was frustrated by the fact that he needs he

1163
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: needed to eat. He didn't like that he had to

1164
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: eat food, and if possible, he would prefer to get

1165
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: his nutrients without wasting time. Um, which is very much

1166
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: a prediction of soilent culture. So thank you for that, Elon. Um. Now, well,

1167
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: things didn't work out with Christie. Must wound up building

1168
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: something of a relationship with Justine. He considered her quote

1169
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: the hot chicken campus, and he hit on her relentlessly

1170
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: after his justice his father had done with his mother.

1171
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. She initially agreed to an ice cream date,

1172
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: but broke the plans off with him via post it note,

1173
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: which dudes should wreck a nice as a sign that

1174
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: sh it ain't happening, but Ellen did not do that. Uh. Instead,

1175
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: he found Justine's best friend to talk to her to

1176
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: figure out where Justine usually studied and what her favorite

1177
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: ice cream flavor was, and then he showed up there

1178
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: later with ice cream to force the date into happening. Um.

1179
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: It's the sort of story that, like, different groups of

1180
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: people will either see as romantic or a big old

1181
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: Pilo red flags, Uh, depending on who does the telling

1182
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: and who does the listening. Um. Yeah, I mean I

1183
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, we've all heard the story where that

1184
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: ends really well, but we've also heard way more stories

1185
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: where that does not end very well. Yeah, and it

1186
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: definitely like obviously they get divorced and it was not

1187
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: a pleasant divorce, so it doesn't end well. So Ashley Vance,

1188
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: his biographer, seems to think that, like view this as

1189
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of romantic. Um, but her right up is still

1190
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: pretty unsettling. Quote. Wilson had dreamed of having a torrid

1191
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: romance with a writer. I wanted to be Sylvia and Ted.

1192
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: She said what she fell for instead was a relentless

1193
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: ambitious geek. The pair attended the same abnormal psychology class

1194
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: and compared their grades Following an exam, Justine knocked Musk.

1195
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: He went back to the professor and talked his way

1196
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: into the two points he lost and got a hundred.

1197
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 1: Justine said, it felt like we were always competing. Musk

1198
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: had a romantic side as well. One time he sent

1199
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: Wilson a dozen roses, each with its own note. He

1200
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: also gifted Wilson a copy of The Prophet filled with

1201
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: handwritten romantic musings. He can sweep you off your feet,

1202
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Justine said, the Prophet thing does not sound romantic. Yeah,

1203
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean, she's like a writer. It was to her.

1204
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: I guess, like, I don't know. It all sounds kind

1205
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: of weird to me too, but it clearly eventually worked. Uh.

1206
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand what that means with romantic musing notes

1207
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: music notes in the margins, What does that even mean.

1208
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: I think it means that he like wrote romantic stuff

1209
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: about how the poems in the or the how the

1210
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Prophet made him think of her and stuff. I'm guessing

1211
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: like a little asterisk and this reminds me of your pussy. Yeah, yeah,

1212
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: that's probably I'm sure that's what was each of the notes.

1213
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: It was just a book filled with marginalia that was like,

1214
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: this line reminds me of your pussy, just lie, also

1215
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: reminds me of your now I gotta he is charming.

1216
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah it worked. Um. Yeah, the two data on and

1217
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: off throughout college. Justine had a lot of options for

1218
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: guys to pursue, and she didn't really seem to feel

1219
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: the need to just stick with just Elon. Meanwhile, Elon

1220
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: was somewhat fanatic about pursuing here to stay in her orbit.

1221
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: Justine later recalled quote he would call very insistently. You

1222
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: always knew it was Elon because the phone would never

1223
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: stop ringing. The man does not take no for an answer.

1224
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: You can't blow him off. I do think of him

1225
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: as the terminator. He locks his gaze onto something and

1226
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: says it shall be mine. Bit by bit he won

1227
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: me over. Oh my god, that is so greevy. It's

1228
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: not it's it doesn't sound great. And again though, yeah,

1229
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: it's weird because like it's like, what is that a

1230
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: description of your favorite husband or your favorite rapists? Like

1231
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: what He's definitely not her favorite husband. Um, but it

1232
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: also worked on her at some point. I don't know,

1233
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's not a great story. It

1234
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: definitely hints at a guy who, um, isn't going to

1235
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: be great at having a healthy relationship, which he wasn't. Also,

1236
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: it just sounds like love bombing. Yes, this is what

1237
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: he does to get you. It just blinds you and

1238
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: bludgeends you with his love. And then once he has you,

1239
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, now that this is on lockdown,

1240
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ignore you later. Yeah, it's it's a

1241
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: lot of things. Ellen was well known during this period

1242
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: for being the kind of dude who didn't really drink

1243
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: or party. He mostly focused on academic studied business, competed

1244
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: in speech and debate, and pined after a hot girl

1245
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: who was only vaguely interested in him. After two years

1246
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: at Queen's, Ellen achieved his dream of shimmying into the

1247
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: United States by transferring to the University of Pennsylvania on

1248
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: a scholarship. His goal was to get a dual degree

1249
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: in economics from the Wharton School and a bachelor's in physics.

1250
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: Must did well at pen and made some of his

1251
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: first real friends based on shared interests. He was happy

1252
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: during this period of time. You might think that this

1253
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: would have instilled in him a deep sympathy for non

1254
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: US citizens attempting to move to this country to start

1255
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: a life. The truth is less clear and a lot uglier.

1256
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: In two thousand seventeen, the newly installed Trump administration formed

1257
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: an Economic Advisory Council. Elon Musk was invited to join,

1258
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: and he chose to do so. The Trump administration then

1259
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: went on to push for push for substantial and vicious

1260
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: restrictions on immigration, including immigration from countries undergoing severe domestic strife,

1261
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: which blocked out students who, like Musk, might have sought

1262
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: an escape from serving in their nation's repressive military by

1263
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: seeking a foreign education. Thanks to Stephen Miller, Trump senior advisor,

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Speaker 1: the White House actually spent months attempting to stop students

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Speaker 1: in the US illegally from even attending public schools. The

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Speaker 1: administration also attempted to restrict the issuance of h one B. VISs,

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Speaker 1: and Musk was silent during this period. He remained on

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Speaker 1: the council. When Trump attempted to pass his immigration ban

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Speaker 1: on people from Muslim majority nations, Elon did tweet this

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Speaker 1: at the time. Regarding government policy, there are often things

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Speaker 1: that happen that many people don't agree with. This is

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Speaker 1: normal for a functioning democracy. The Muslim immigration ban is

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Speaker 1: not right. They rarely warrant a public statement. However, the

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Speaker 1: ban on Muslim immigrants from certain companies countries rises to

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Speaker 1: this level. It is not right. The Muslim immigration ban

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Speaker 1: is not right, which is a very unequivocal uh public statement. However,

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Speaker 1: he deleted those tweets almost immediately uh and replaced them

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Speaker 1: with the more milk toast statement the blanket entry ban

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Speaker 1: on citizens from certain primarily Muslim countries is not the

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Speaker 1: best way to address the country's challenges, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of shitty. Uh yeah. Must remain on the Economic Advisory

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Speaker 1: Council until in June seventeen, the President withdrew the United

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Speaker 1: States from the Paris Climate Accords. This prompted Musk's very

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Speaker 1: public withdrawal from the Council. It is interesting where he

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Speaker 1: chose to draw the line with President Trump and our

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Speaker 1: current fascist adjacent administration. And that's where we're gonna end

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Speaker 1: for part one. Boy, I think that um, probably that

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Speaker 1: elon Musk lovers are going to come from me. Huh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's weird. I wonder if they're gonna, like, by all rights,

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Speaker 1: they should come for me, mostly because I wrote the

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Speaker 1: giant thing about him, So she'll get it. She'll get

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Speaker 1: it word, but not just that. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: think that I'm just like out here just saying whatever

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Speaker 1: is a comedian. They're going to be like Robert was

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Speaker 1: trying to be objective and that bitch wouldn't have it.

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Speaker 1: I mean you wouldn't. Yeah, that part is lame. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know Elon Musk more like Elon I have a

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Speaker 1: great transition before you should just malfunction all the way.

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Speaker 1: So my album, my stand up album, Father's Day, comes

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Speaker 1: out on ju which is Father's Day. And if you've

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Speaker 1: been like she seems like she doesn't have a dad,

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Speaker 1: she's realed down and Eilon for being a bad dad.

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Speaker 1: You are right, I don't have a dad. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear more about that, you will love

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Speaker 1: my album Father's Day. And if you want to stop

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Speaker 1: having a dad, that's also an option if you choose to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you're going with that one. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know whither. Yeah, that was like like a

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Speaker 1: start to like what like, are you going to tell

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Speaker 1: me how to divorce my parents? Where's this going? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I am law, you're adjacent, um and I do

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Speaker 1: helping children divorced from their parents. Yes, I do that,

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Speaker 1: but that is my job now, this is not that

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Speaker 1: is not your job, not your no h And you

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Speaker 1: can also listen to Sophia's podcasts. Can Sophia's podcast. I

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Speaker 1: have a podcast about ninety de fiance with Miles Gray

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Speaker 1: from The Daily Say guys, it's called four Defiance. It's

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Speaker 1: really how And I also have a podcast about love

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Speaker 1: and sex around the world called Private Parts Unknown with Kosak,

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Speaker 1: So check that out. Man, it's wild that you do

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Speaker 1: a pot podcast and don't like Elon Musk because he

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Speaker 1: totally smoked that blunt on Joe Rogan Show, even though

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Speaker 1: he has denied people workers compensation claims because they tested

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Speaker 1: positive or his companies have denied people claims because they

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Speaker 1: tested positive for marijuana. Right, but he looked like he did.

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Speaker 1: Don't you like smoke weed? And he definitely didn't inhale. No,

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Speaker 1: he looked so cool with his blunt with he looked

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Speaker 1: so cool doing the thing that he will fire and

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Speaker 1: deny people compensation due to them for indulging in even

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Speaker 1: though it's fine for him. You know, it shouldn't be anyways,

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Speaker 1: different rules for billionaires, you know, it's just a different

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Speaker 1: world for them. Yeah, he was pretty cool to Joe

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Speaker 1: two relatable hundred million dollar worth Joe. Anyway, the episode

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Speaker 1: that was really fun, Find Me the Sophia so F

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Speaker 1: by way by Yeah,