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Speaker 1: Truth or dare truth? Guando boys, GUENOMELESTORIAA I am oher

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Speaker 1: aarami primera more.

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Speaker 2: Senoraora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Hi, Senora, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Senora.

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Speaker 3: Sex Ed Senora Sex Said is not your mommy's sex talk.

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Speaker 3: This show is la platica like you've never heard it before.

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Speaker 3: We're breaking the stigma and silence around sex and sexuality

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Speaker 3: in LATINX communities. Historically, Latinas have been hyper sexualized in

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Speaker 3: popular culture but notoriously denied sex education. This podcast is

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Speaker 3: an intergenerational conversation between Latinas from gen X to gen Z,

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Speaker 3: covering everything from puberty and body image to representation in film, television,

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Speaker 3: and music.

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Speaker 1: Just a reminder, in this show, a Senora is a

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Speaker 1: woman with a lot of life experiences and stories to share.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she's in her thirties, maybe she's in her forties

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Speaker 1: or fifties or even older. She could be trans, or

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Speaker 1: maybe she sis. We are your hosts and producers, Viosa

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Speaker 1: and Mala.

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Speaker 3: You might recognize us from our flagship podcast, Loka Tora Radio.

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Speaker 3: We've been podcasting since twenty sixteen and we've covered all

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Speaker 3: kinds of topics, ranging from politics to mental health, current events,

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Speaker 3: and of course sex. We still have so much to learn, though,

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Speaker 3: which is why we're excited to bring you. Senora Sex said,

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Speaker 3: we hope you listen to each episode with the Senoras

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Speaker 3: and Senoritas in your Life.

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Speaker 1: Chapter six a Queer Inheritance.

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Speaker 4: By the time I made Mosquito Madi, I think everybody

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Speaker 4: knew I was queer. This was my coming out love story,

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Speaker 4: first love story that I hadn't told anybody about. The

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Speaker 4: person I experienced it with, we never talked about it.

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Speaker 4: It's very much like the movie. It's like all the

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Speaker 4: unspoken is what lived between us.

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Speaker 3: That's Alrora Guerrero. She's a writer, director, and filmmaker. She's

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Speaker 3: a queer, Chicana Latina and mother. In this episode, you'll

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Speaker 3: hear her discuss how her first love inspired her debut film,

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Speaker 3: Mosquito Marie. You'll also hear how she's breaking the culture

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Speaker 1: Aoa wrote her first love story into her first feature film,

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Speaker 1: and we all process our first loves differently. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember your first love, the first person who caught your

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Speaker 1: eye and captured your romantic imagination? The inspiration for butterflies

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Speaker 1: and daydreams, your first valentine, your first dance, your first kiss.

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Speaker 1: First love can be intense, scary, overwhelming, wholesome and precious.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that first love is a secret very deep inside,

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Speaker 1: for fear of what might happen should it be expressed.

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Speaker 3: When we're young, Few things are more exciting, more thrilling,

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Speaker 3: your affection, And few things hurt more than unrequited love.

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Speaker 3: Did you tell your first love how you felt about them?

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Speaker 3: Did they feel the same way about you if you

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Speaker 1: Historically, sex education PSAs shown in American schools are painfully clinical,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes comical, and notoriously awkward. For writer director aro Ri Guerrero,

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Speaker 1: her first formal introduction to sex education was one such film.

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Speaker 3: Like so many school age Latinas, the lessons about sex

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Speaker 4: So I think that that's the only formal sex that

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Speaker 3: For Arora, matters of the body and sexuality were shrouded

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Speaker 1: The message, once again, is very clear, this is yours

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it starts with the period.

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Speaker 4: So and also then eventually leading to the conversations around sex. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would have loved to have really removed that sense

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Speaker 3: The silence around Aarroora's body, her period, and her sexuality

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Speaker 4: My generation of moms are raising kids who are like

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Speaker 4: extremely informed. If anything, I'd be curious to see them

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Speaker 3: a nonprofit organization called Bienistad. Because of Viennistad, Alroota had

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Speaker 6: bodied queers now. While you are statistically more likely to

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Speaker 4: Because for two reasons, that film was so personal to me,

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Speaker 3: What about Ara's first love? Ara and her childhood crush

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Speaker 4: from a place of a personal experience, I immediately started writing,

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Speaker 4: particularly about her, and it became Mosquitai Money, and it

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Speaker 4: just was like, man, man, this love has been haunting

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Speaker 4: me for a long time, and it was haunting me

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Speaker 4: because we never really acknowledged it between each other, and

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Speaker 4: it was something that I needed. And I think it

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Speaker 4: goes back to the way I was raised, all that silence,

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Speaker 4: all that living in my head and you know, not

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Speaker 4: having that opportunity to process and to put a name

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Speaker 4: to it, like it really impacted me. And so this

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Speaker 4: haunting was ongoing and it wasn't until I made Mosquitai

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Speaker 4: Madi that I was free and freedom of it, and

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Speaker 4: I really, I really was. So it became very very

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Speaker 4: significant for me the making of that movie, especially after

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Speaker 4: she and I met.

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Speaker 3: It's been twelve years since MOSQUITEI Madi was released, its

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Speaker 3: cultural impact remains.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like I gave birth to this story

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Speaker 4: and it was massive for me personally. As I've just

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Speaker 4: expressed that, I was excited to put it out in

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Speaker 4: the world and see what it was going to do

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Speaker 4: to other people, hoping that it would shake people in

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Speaker 4: a good way, it would send them on a journey

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Speaker 4: to you know, find answers or help people feel validated,

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Speaker 4: whatever it was going to do. So I basically just

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Speaker 4: said fly and never looked back. Like, the movie's doing

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Speaker 4: its thing everywhere, and it just kind of been in

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Speaker 4: pocket circles back and people are either writing about it,

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Speaker 4: it's been in books. The Academy Museum just wrote me

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Speaker 4: and they want to center the film around coming of

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Speaker 4: age stories. And I was like, wow, like Mosquita Mondy

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Speaker 4: is like, it's just doing its thing and it's impacting

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Speaker 4: people to this day. And still there hasn't been a

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Speaker 4: film that has come out quite like Mosquite Mady and

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Speaker 4: so so I guess it is. But it was never

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Speaker 4: something that I was really intending. I just was like,

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Speaker 4: Mosquite Money just needs to be what it is out

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Speaker 4: in the world. It's done its job with me, thankfully,

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Speaker 4: and I'm so grateful and now off into the world.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, it's the little the little train that

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Speaker 4: could you know, it just keeps giving, it keeps going.

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Speaker 4: That's how I feel about it.

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Speaker 3: Instead of passing down generational silence to her daughter, Adoda

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Speaker 3: is passing down the visual love letter that is Mosquitei Madi.

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Speaker 3: One day, Adoa and her daughter will watch the film together.

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Speaker 3: The film that served as closure for Arora will open

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Speaker 3: up a dialogue with her own daughter.

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Speaker 4: So part of it is like me doing my therapy

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Speaker 4: and working through my stuff and finding the right thing's

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Speaker 4: tools to be able to talk about it. I think

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Speaker 4: film she's been wanting to watch Mosquite Mati, and so

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about watching it with her and sharing my

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Speaker 4: story with her. I think it's going to be really deep,

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Speaker 4: and I think definitely before this year is up, we're

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Speaker 4: going to have a screening of it me, her and

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Speaker 4: my wife and like put it on the big screen

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Speaker 4: and and have a discussion afterwards. So so excitement, not

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Speaker 4: fear being excited about these conversations, be excited about finding

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Speaker 4: the tools. Also finding other parents you know that are

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Speaker 4: raising their kids similarly, and that we can have discussions

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Speaker 4: with them about you know, what are you doing, how

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Speaker 4: are you doing it? I think that that's really helpful.

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Speaker 4: My spouse and I are very community oriented and we

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Speaker 4: have quite a few friends with kids. They're all around

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Speaker 4: the same age, so we're all checking in with each other.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that that's where we're at. And

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Speaker 4: hopeful that this shift in attitude and an approach will

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Speaker 4: lead to less trauma in our communities, more empowerment, and

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Speaker 4: just more beautiful stories that they can share, is our hope,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: At the end of our interview with Arora, we thought

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Speaker 1: deeply about what it means when our love is not reciprocated,

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Speaker 1: and how we might channel that unrequited love into our work,

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Speaker 1: into our learning, into our own happiness, and the ways

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Speaker 1: that art making can serve as closure when the object

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Speaker 1: of our affection cannot do the same for us.

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Speaker 3: This interview with Arora really got me thinking about my

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Speaker 3: first love, my first queer love, because there was just

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Speaker 3: no information out there for me at that time. And

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that a film like Mosquitai Mai exists,

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Speaker 3: and it really makes me think about those friendships with

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Speaker 3: girls before having any type of sexual awakening. There's this

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Speaker 3: intensity of these friendships when you're a young girl, and

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Speaker 3: now you can look back and be like, oh, we

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Speaker 3: were just in love with each other, and that's why

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Speaker 3: it was so intense and in love in the way

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Speaker 3: that a twelve year old can be in love right

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Speaker 3: where there's this queering of friendship and being able to

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Speaker 3: understand there was some complexity there that we did not

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Speaker 3: understand at the time, and so I'm just really glad

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Speaker 3: that ado Ra shared her experience with us and how

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Speaker 3: she was really able to alchemize this unrequited love into

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Speaker 3: this beautiful film that stands a test of time that

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Speaker 3: is a part of queer Canon Films.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Senora

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Speaker 1: sex Ed. Next time, on Senora sex Ed, we are

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Speaker 1: joined by content creator Naomi Hearts. We're talking about love

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Speaker 1: as a transgender woman and how comedy figures into her

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Speaker 1: content and her personal relationships.

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Speaker 8: Here I go again coming to my mom having to

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Speaker 8: come out a second time, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 8: I don't think I'm gay, and she was like confused

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Speaker 8: for a bed and I told her I think I'm transgender,

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Speaker 8: and in that moment she was like, I don't know

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Speaker 8: what that is. I love you and I'm gonna support you,

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Speaker 8: and we're gonna do it Together.

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Speaker 3: Nosavemos Chao Senora Sex Said is a co production between

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Speaker 3: LOCATORA Productions and Michael Dura Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: This show is executive produced by Mala Munos and biosa Fem.

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Speaker 3: Also executive produced by Jaselle Frances.

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Speaker 1: Produced by Stephanie Franco.

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Speaker 3: Creative direction by Mala Munios.

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Speaker 1: Story editing by Biosafem.

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Speaker 3: Music direction by Grisol Lomeli and

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Speaker 1: Music produced by Brian Gazo