Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm beyond
Speaker 1: lucky today to be joined in the studio by Steve
Speaker 1: Weisch and on remote in Ohio by Nick Shook. We've
Speaker 1: missed a lot of news in this feed here since
Speaker 1: since you're in the NFL last tape to podcasts, and
Speaker 1: we are going to catch up today with Steve and Nick.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2: Steve, I wait for John Facenda's voice to come in
Speaker 2: with that music right there. I mean, just like the
Speaker 2: whole symphonic element of that's strong for the Daily.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, you just heard it for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we were adding elements as we go here. Shooky,
Speaker 1: We've got a tour group right outside the window waving
Speaker 1: at me, so yeah, you can check us out on
Speaker 1: YouTube as well. And it's good to see you Shook.
Speaker 1: And yeah for the YouTube. Body, it's just take off
Speaker 1: your hat and show your sunburn right now, because it
Speaker 1: is like the best bald sunburn I've ever Dude, you
Speaker 1: got roasted.
Speaker 3: This is this is what happens when you were at
Speaker 3: backwards Hat because you're trying to protect your bald head
Speaker 3: from a sunburn when you're playing sand volleyball. But you
Speaker 3: forget about that little setting or rising sun depending on
Speaker 3: your preference right there, and how it's just imprinted in
Speaker 3: your forehead.
Speaker 1: So as I mentioned, and how are you shooky? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a good off season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we're cooking. We're ready for the season.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to get the fresh tape going. There's
Speaker 3: so you know you guys talked about on the show yesterday.
Speaker 3: There's so much unknown we don't know yet, but we're
Speaker 3: going to find out that curiosity. I'm just ready to go.
Speaker 3: I want to find out, I want to learn. I
Speaker 3: want to be a sponge and soak it all up.
Speaker 1: I know this is a week that is it's like
Speaker 1: the last truly quiet week and you never know, things
Speaker 1: could change, but this is like really the last total
Speaker 1: week of the off season. Next week, the Houston Texans
Speaker 1: will be reporting in full by the end of the week,
Speaker 1: and rookies for some teams start reporting earlier in the week. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: football is back, and we're going to talk about what's
Speaker 1: happened really in the last six weeks. Because I'm just
Speaker 1: a nut about this and this show and I wanted
Speaker 1: YouTube guys on for this, especially because Steve's gonna be
Speaker 1: joining us during the season, Yes, quite a bit, and
Speaker 1: I really am excited about that, and Nick, you are
Speaker 1: as well. You're gonna be big parts of the show,
Speaker 1: and the show at its core once things start going,
Speaker 1: is gonna have a really important news element. We're doing
Speaker 1: this daily and that's partly to catch everything, Like if
Speaker 1: we miss something, we're gonna catch it the next day.
Speaker 1: But we didn't catch any you know, anything for six
Speaker 1: weeks or so, and I just, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: My takes have been building up and I want to
Speaker 1: go through all the biggest stuff that that's been going
Speaker 1: on this offseason. And I made a list and you
Speaker 1: guys added some stuff, and we're gonna draft off that
Speaker 1: list what we think mattered because obviously all of it
Speaker 1: didn't really matter that much, or what we think is
Speaker 1: interesting from this off season, really looking at kind of
Speaker 1: late May through now. And Nick, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: start off. So it's a draft with absolutely no repercussions.
Speaker 1: You can't really win this draft, I guess, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you the first pick of a news
Speaker 1: story you want to talk about.
Speaker 3: This is going to be the longest run up of
Speaker 3: a draft card in the history of a draft. We're coming,
Speaker 3: you know, roughly twenty five hundred miles across the country,
Speaker 3: but we're handing it in now, and it is the
Speaker 3: massive quarterback contract that most everybody expected would happen before long.
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is locked up through twenty thirty. Massive deal
Speaker 3: for him, two hundred and seventy five million dollars and
Speaker 3: a deal that I think some people probably don't feel
Speaker 3: one hundred percent confident in. But if the Jaguars see
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence as their guy, they had to make this.
Speaker 3: They had to get this done. It's just as simple
Speaker 3: as that. It's a product of the market and the
Speaker 3: rising quarterback contracts. And now the question becomes, does Trevor
Speaker 3: Lawrence live up to that? Because we've seen flashes of
Speaker 3: greatness from him, we've seen inconsistency. Last year, he suffered
Speaker 3: some injury issues for the first time, and the Jaguar
Speaker 3: season as a whole last year, in my opinion, was
Speaker 3: just a season of near misses. And it started with
Speaker 3: Lawrence just to tick off this way, just missing a
Speaker 3: guy by ar this way. Mistakes here, could never really
Speaker 3: get into a rhythm, and they fell apart down the stretch.
Speaker 3: So him getting this contract now it's a vote of confidence.
Speaker 3: You have your quarterback established, but the pressure instantly is
Speaker 3: on to live up to that contract. He's no longer
Speaker 3: a rookie, just trying to find his way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pressure is on because when I saw this, Nick,
Speaker 2: this is the one we're front office guys.
Speaker 4: Craig m hm.
Speaker 2: That's what they say. What do we do if we
Speaker 2: let him go? Like if we don't pay him, what's
Speaker 2: the next plan? And that's where a lot of teams
Speaker 2: get caught like, you know, what are we doing? You
Speaker 2: know who's Are we going to be bad enough to
Speaker 2: draft a guy? We want to go through that because
Speaker 2: the coaching staff is going to get fired or do
Speaker 2: we really believe that Trevor Lawrence is that guy? And
Speaker 2: as Nick said, we've seen flashes where there's been no doubt.
Speaker 2: I've talked to coaches who've been like, man, this guy
Speaker 2: has seen the field differently. He's picking us apart. But
Speaker 2: we've seen some inconsistencies and we saw last year when
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk went down, they could not generate much of
Speaker 2: an offense. Is that on Trevor Lawrence? Was that other
Speaker 2: guy's not stepping up? Was that on a play calling?
Speaker 2: What happened? And you know, with the way they were
Speaker 2: supposed to function, we saw him trying to gut through
Speaker 2: that ankle injury and things like that.
Speaker 4: So I think that's where it works.
Speaker 2: But this the season is gonna be interesting because last year,
Speaker 2: this time, all the Jags are gonna win the aoc
Speaker 2: sut Now if they're in the I mean, Tech Houston
Speaker 2: is a team to beat the Colts with Anthony richardson,
Speaker 2: they were on the cusp of a playoff.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor Lawrence is the like third most exciting
Speaker 1: quarterback in this division. Now sorry, I mean that's just
Speaker 1: because I like Anthony richards and I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: better than Trevor Lawrence, but I want to see him.
Speaker 4: I thought you were putting Will Levis ahead of him.
Speaker 1: Will Levis is exciting. We're gonna have Nate Tyson on Monday,
Speaker 1: and he is the biggest Will Levis fan out there.
Speaker 1: He's shown flashes, he's compelling. These contracts are tough to
Speaker 1: analyze because they're also similar, and that doesn't seem right,
Speaker 1: Like why is why is Trevor Lawrence getting close to
Speaker 1: the same contract as these players that are just clearly
Speaker 1: better than him. But it's just how the NFL works,
Speaker 1: like you just can't change it. It's really because of
Speaker 1: the salary cap and the guys like Mahomes and Allen
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow and Herbert and those contracts are a
Speaker 1: little better, right if you really look under the hood,
Speaker 1: This Trevor Lawrence one was like a small discount actually
Speaker 1: in terms of the first three or four years you
Speaker 1: were okay, but kind of at a lower level, and
Speaker 1: long term definitely at a just like a slightly lower level.
Speaker 1: But that's just how the NFL works, that everyone gets
Speaker 1: about the same contract, and you hope if the top
Speaker 1: twelve quarterbacks are all pretty close in contracts, that your
Speaker 1: guy is just higher on that list, and Lawrence hasn't
Speaker 1: been yet. But it's also a no brainer because you
Speaker 1: just don't want to be the cowboys and wait until
Speaker 1: the last year because you'll end up paying more. And
Speaker 1: Dak doesn't have that contract, And to me, Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: is at a similar place in the pecking order. It
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little bit of Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: who's also a number one overall pick where he was
Speaker 1: at a similar place. The difference is Lawrence just had
Speaker 1: the hype like Kyler Murray. I think has had moments
Speaker 1: and he's shown where he is, but like not exactly
Speaker 1: where you want to be. And that, to me, that's
Speaker 1: where Trevor Lawrence says. It's just people expected more out
Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, so they great him on a different curve.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because we're talking about this because the
Speaker 2: money's insane, right, But we said the same thing with
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and il he signed that ten year, four
Speaker 2: hund and fifty million dollars deal.
Speaker 1: That is a bargain, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And it's only like four years after he did it.
Speaker 1: I kind of knew that though when they made that
Speaker 1: ten years. Any ten year contract in the NFL the bargain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that's where we are.
Speaker 1: All Right, let's go draft pick number two, Steve Weiss.
Speaker 2: Let's go Okay, well, I'm going to stay in the
Speaker 2: division because this has been the summer of c. J.
Speaker 4: Stroup.
Speaker 1: Okay, you talk.
Speaker 2: About the six weeks Greg, if you had your eyes closed,
Speaker 2: you would have missed it. Because he's been everywhere, right,
Speaker 2: you know, he did the thing over in Agy, which
Speaker 2: was great with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4: He's been on all these podcasts.
Speaker 2: We see him at the Fanatics White Party, but then
Speaker 2: we also see him in the street in Houston like
Speaker 2: after a natural disaster, like just helping out, you know,
Speaker 2: playing catch with guys. And the fact that this was
Speaker 2: a player who last year was being debated is he
Speaker 2: the number one of the number two quarterback coming out
Speaker 2: of the draft. A lot of people didn't like him
Speaker 2: because he was inconsistent at Ohio State. Comes in and
Speaker 2: has this huge first year, completely franchised changing, and legitimately
Speaker 2: you can say that a franchise changing player. The Houston
Speaker 2: Texans were the poster children of dysfunction, and in one
Speaker 2: season with him and Damico Ryans coming in, he elevated
Speaker 2: guys around him, took them to the playoffs, and is
Speaker 2: now on track, I mean, a top five betting favorite
Speaker 2: to be the MVP next season. So the fact that
Speaker 2: he has shown some of himself nick like as a
Speaker 2: human being, on top of what we saw on the
Speaker 2: field and heard about what he did in locker rooms
Speaker 2: and inviting guys over to his house every Thursday Night.
Speaker 4: Whatever. This to me that the summer of CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud has been absolutely fantastic in the fact that Micah
Speaker 2: Parsons is sitting there talking about I could hang, I
Speaker 2: could hit five three pointers in an NBA game, and
Speaker 2: Droud's like, no, you can't. I'm not even getting one
Speaker 2: off against these guys, Like, don't be stupid.
Speaker 1: He has no filter when talking about other players. Great
Speaker 1: and he's you know, we talked about him on on
Speaker 1: our first show too, just from a football perspective, but
Speaker 1: you're right, I just love him as a as a person,
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't wasn't afraid to throw a little shade
Speaker 1: there at Aaron Rodgers, Like not the biggest Aaron Rodgers fan,
Speaker 1: and he was just talking about his game and he's
Speaker 1: a ball knower, and yeah, he was doing something. Who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe other Cowboys teammates would like to do, just shade
Speaker 1: you know, my goad just a little bit, just like
Speaker 1: if he's getting out of order, just say say something back.
Speaker 1: Are you a big CJ guy?
Speaker 4: Nick?
Speaker 3: I would like to go on the record as stating
Speaker 3: that I was one of the bigger CJ guys out there,
Speaker 3: just from his combine workout. His presence at the Combine.
Speaker 3: I was taken aback at his press conference when people
Speaker 3: were asking him, Hey, why don't you run that much?
Speaker 3: And you know, what are your greatest strengths? He goes,
Speaker 3: I don't run that much because I don't feel I
Speaker 3: need to run that much. Because my greatest strength is
Speaker 3: my accuracy, and I'm going to show that off in
Speaker 3: the field. And then he went out there and put
Speaker 3: together one of the best workouts obviously against air, but
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen from a quarterback at the Combine.
Speaker 3: I was instantly, you know, taken by him. I was
Speaker 3: ready to roll with him as my franchise quarterback. And
Speaker 3: that doesn't even you know, tie into the fact that
Speaker 3: I watched him religiously at Ohio State because I felt
Speaker 3: like he didn't quite meet expectation at Ohio State. So
Speaker 3: at that point, as soon as they took him and proceeded,
Speaker 3: it was like, all right, well, he's in a situation
Speaker 3: now where the Texans have done something in the off season,
Speaker 3: maybe they could.
Speaker 1: Are you a Buck Eyes fan.
Speaker 5: That's a pretty buck Eyes fan.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's everybody from Ohio is I know, But
Speaker 1: that's pretty harsh to say. He didn't meet expectations.
Speaker 3: Like I watched you understand Justin Fields was really special
Speaker 3: at Ohio State in a different way. So it was
Speaker 3: a slight step down. But it's funny because their career
Speaker 3: is are the exact opposite. I mean, how about that.
Speaker 1: Semi final game. I don't know if anyone can top
Speaker 1: what was.
Speaker 3: His best performance? Didn't know, yeah, until then, he didn't
Speaker 3: really know that. And I look back and thought, man,
Speaker 3: I wish you would have been that guy. He's against
Speaker 3: Michigan the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: The it is I know, yeah, gotta get out, but
Speaker 1: it is four straight. It's like a comb tition between
Speaker 1: the Ohio State and Michigan. Who can be the most
Speaker 1: annoying fan base in the entire country on any planet.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know who it is.
Speaker 1: Michigan probably has the honor right now just because they
Speaker 1: have now the title. All Right, I'm going to pick third.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about Brandon Ayuk. Forty nine ers
Speaker 1: are very active and maybe we'll get to a few
Speaker 1: other players on them. But you didn't show up for
Speaker 1: many Camp Surprise had a meeting with the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers that we heard about Let's actually listen to Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 1: This is courtesy of the Pivot Podcast.
Speaker 6: If I were to take a gaze, probably probably a
Speaker 6: Niner uniform. Probably a Niner uniform, I mean, if not
Speaker 6: a Niner uniform, probably a Washington commander uniform. If not
Speaker 6: a Washington commander uniform, probably a Steelers uniform.
Speaker 4: From your lips to God's ears.
Speaker 1: So brand that was wild because he was answering a
Speaker 1: question about where he sees what uniform he sees himself
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, and he started with the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers to be clear, and I believe that is
Speaker 1: by far the most likely option. But you don't hear
Speaker 1: players normally. Just just mentioned the other team, but you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of knows something there. Commanders of course is
Speaker 1: run by Adam Peters, who is you know, in the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers building, so he knows how good they are.
Speaker 1: And this is just one of those to watch. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have Ian Rappaport on later. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about some potential holdouts, kind of which guys he thinks
Speaker 1: are more likely less likely to hold out. But Ayuk's
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise in the offseason. It's gone
Speaker 1: up and down like whatever week you check in, and
Speaker 1: it depends, it changes whether you think he's going to
Speaker 1: show up, how happy he is. I think they know
Speaker 1: how good he is. But is interesting that Look CMC
Speaker 1: got his two year extensions that was worth about nineteen
Speaker 1: million dollars per Juan Jennings, another wide receiver, got what
Speaker 1: I think for the forty nine ers was a steal
Speaker 1: because that dude is a good player.
Speaker 4: He moves the change man.
Speaker 1: He might have sold himself a little short, but I
Speaker 1: get it. I would be like that too, if somehow
Speaker 1: I was an NFL player. It'say, just like I don't
Speaker 1: want a chance another year where I could tear my
Speaker 1: tele attendant. So they gave him a nice contract, and
Speaker 1: Brandon Nyuk still unsigned, Well.
Speaker 4: He's still unsigned, but I think they get it done.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Niners are a team a lot like
Speaker 2: you know, the Rams, a couple other teams where they
Speaker 2: get deals done right before training camp or right as
Speaker 2: you enter training camp. But if you look ever since
Speaker 2: brock perty has taken the field when he came on
Speaker 2: as a rookie against Miami, the connection he has with
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk is completely different than what he has with
Speaker 2: any other receiver, any other player on the team. Right,
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers basically throw the ball fewer than
Speaker 2: any team in the NFL. Right, they're right through at
Speaker 2: the bottom sorts of pass attempts. But when he throws it,
Speaker 2: it's to Ayuk. Right, Deebo Samuel get some, kittle, get some,
Speaker 2: but it's predominantly to Ayuk. And in that combination you
Speaker 2: can't mistake because the Niners are all in on brock Perty, right,
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna end up seeing something with
Speaker 2: Ayuk getting done. And maybe after the season when they've
Speaker 2: got a heybrock Perty, maybe that's when we see Deebo
Speaker 2: Samuel finally come off the books and get moved to
Speaker 2: another team that way. But I just think Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 2: does get done. But it is hilarious that they said,
Speaker 2: well this team, that team, you know, it is completely different.
Speaker 2: But he's such a good player. He's such a great
Speaker 2: route running. You talk to dbs who face him inside
Speaker 2: outside like they're like, that is there a legit number
Speaker 2: one wide receiver.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too that he's a pretty wise player,
Speaker 3: or at least he's kind of playing the situation fairly well,
Speaker 3: and that he's thought about teams that need receivers or
Speaker 3: were in the receiver market. The Steelers were one of
Speaker 3: those teams in the offseason, and he obviously sees the
Speaker 3: opportunity there. Whether it's with Russell Wilson or Justin Fields
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, he sees the opportunity. But it's
Speaker 3: funny because you talk about Deebo Samuel probably being the
Speaker 3: guy who comes off the books. He's probably the first
Speaker 3: jangle piece out of the tower. But you think in
Speaker 3: reverse and pecking order, I you could be last in
Speaker 3: this offseason, you know, set of deals in any circumstance,
Speaker 3: not just because he's Brandon Ayuk, but because you're obviously
Speaker 3: gonna pay McCaffrey and you get Juwan Jennings cheaper. It's funny, though,
Speaker 3: because I think about them last year, and you know,
Speaker 3: you have Deebo Samuel, and you have Christian McCaffrey, and
Speaker 3: you have George Kittle, and then Brandon Ayuk starts making
Speaker 3: all these plays with Brock Purdy and for a while
Speaker 3: I just believe that, well, maybe that's just a product
Speaker 3: of scheme and you can only cover so many guys.
Speaker 3: And now you could just happens to be the guy
Speaker 3: who ends up open because of scheme and how they're
Speaker 3: dedicating their coverages. And then we got through the season
Speaker 3: and I look back and realized, no, he's just a
Speaker 3: damn good football player and man, continue to be one,
Speaker 3: and he's going to get paid like one.
Speaker 1: He's a great example of the guy you are drafting
Speaker 1: is not the guy necessarily that he's going to be
Speaker 1: in year four. Because if someone had said that that
Speaker 1: dude was that when he was coming out of college
Speaker 1: was going to be one of the best route runners
Speaker 1: in the league, he was just not that dude.
Speaker 4: Steve Smith said it.
Speaker 1: Steve Smith's okay, well I didn't see it. I didn't
Speaker 1: see it, and not a lot of people saw it,
Speaker 1: but Shanahan saw it. What you did see was he
Speaker 1: was going to be one of the yak monsters right
Speaker 1: off the bat, like he was going to make people
Speaker 1: miss and he'd be a different version of like a Debo.
Speaker 1: But now he's complete. He's clearly to me more valuable
Speaker 1: than Debo. And I do now as we're talking this story,
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to do it with you guys,
Speaker 1: just like process all this stuff, like oh, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Jennings deal sets them up for when they trade Devo
Speaker 1: because that's paid. You know, they just spent their first
Speaker 1: round pick on a wide receiver. Kso So I was
Speaker 1: kind of surprised by the Jennings deal. But they're locking
Speaker 1: in a really good number three, one of the best
Speaker 1: in the league, great blocker at a low rate, and
Speaker 1: that's going to free them up to trade Deevo. So
Speaker 1: we salved the forty nine ers, So he did. Nick,
Speaker 1: Why don't you go up take another story off the
Speaker 1: board here, actually were going to solve world hunger. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back to the Texans for a second because
Speaker 1: part of the summer of CJ. Stroud connection was his
Speaker 1: teammates who got paid and the people that they brought in.
Speaker 1: Nico Collins gets a new deal in the offseason, and
Speaker 1: you might see that and think, Nico Collins, how was
Speaker 1: he getting that type of money? Well, if you watched
Speaker 1: the Texans last year when it wasn't tang Dell making plays,
Speaker 1: Nico Collins was CJ.
Speaker 5: Stroud's favorite receiver.
Speaker 3: It was obvious in the preseason that Nico Collins was
Speaker 3: going to be his favorite receiver. He was the most
Speaker 3: reliable and he's exceeded all expectations. So of course now
Speaker 3: is the time with the guy on the rookie contract
Speaker 3: in CJ. Stroud to pay him. And people probably still
Speaker 3: aren't going to pay attention to him because they're not
Speaker 3: going to think about money. When they think about brand name,
Speaker 3: they're going to go Stefan Diggs, They're going to go
Speaker 3: to Tank Dell because his nickname's Tank. But Nigo Collins
Speaker 3: continues to be an integral part of this offense. So
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him that he got paid. And again
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen without CJ. Stroud and it just kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, points again to how you've put a franchise
Speaker 3: quarterback in there and a young one who has success
Speaker 3: and it just spider webs out and everybody around him
Speaker 3: they all get affected positively by it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, man, you know what the Nico Collins contract,
Speaker 2: the amount of ross ain't bron wide receiver contract. Since
Speaker 2: we're talking about iues, I mean, that's why we're having
Speaker 2: the stair step. We talk about how the quarterback contracts
Speaker 2: are coming like that. Now you're seeing that thirty million
Speaker 2: dollars a year ap Y, which now Tyreek Hill wants
Speaker 2: to get back on top of that. He was the highest.
Speaker 2: That's something that we're seeing with these contracts. But speaking
Speaker 2: of the Texans, I mean, look what they did defensively.
Speaker 2: They add Daniel Hunter after the Grenard, they add an
Speaker 2: ego autry. I mean he that guy's been a heck
Speaker 2: of a player. Like this team getting Joe Mixon and
Speaker 2: Nick You know that you being up there in AFC
Speaker 2: North Country.
Speaker 5: That dude is a seventh round.
Speaker 1: It's almost too much. There's almost like everything's a little
Speaker 1: too perfect that it worries me. Yeah, but sometimes the
Speaker 1: hype team that had the big lift the year before,
Speaker 1: sometimes they continue it and take that lift. The julyiant
Speaker 1: Lyons did it a year ago. I tend to and
Speaker 1: I did it. I like was fading essentially the Jaguars
Speaker 1: last year, because when you jump up that much usually
Speaker 1: it's hard to maintain it. And my instinct would be
Speaker 1: to do that with the Texans this year too, but
Speaker 1: I just can't do it because of everything you just said.
Speaker 1: In because it's CJ and yeah, Nico Collins, people were like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe Nico Collins is making that much money.
Speaker 1: Watch Nico Collins, Like people get too carried away with,
Speaker 1: oh is he a number one or is he number two?
Speaker 1: He's one of the twenty five or so best receiver
Speaker 1: in the league. He is a tall, physical guy who
Speaker 1: can and that's the ball, play on the outside and
Speaker 1: make really good plays after the catch. Like he really
Speaker 1: is a complete receiver. He's not that different actually from
Speaker 1: inn Auke, not quite as physical. But that was just
Speaker 1: twenty four When you do these contracts, they're tacking on.
Speaker 1: It was an extension, so it looks like it was
Speaker 1: twenty four million per year, but really, if it's the
Speaker 1: whole contract, it was eighteen per year, which for a
Speaker 1: wide receiver is affordable these days. We'll probably talk about
Speaker 1: more receiver contracts as we haven't talked about the biggest one.
Speaker 1: But first we're going to take a quick break back
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily. Oh, let's us get to it. We
Speaker 1: might as well talk to Justin Jefferson. That's been the
Speaker 1: biggest contract since we last talk to y'all out there,
Speaker 1: And yeah, Justin Jefferson signing the biggest contract in the
Speaker 1: history of football for a wide receiver and bigger than
Speaker 1: some top shelf quarterbacks were making not that long ago.
Speaker 4: Steve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, a four year, one hundred and forty million
Speaker 2: dollar deal. The Vikings tried to come to a deal
Speaker 2: with them last year and they couldn't get there. And
Speaker 2: you know, good for Jefferson because you saw how the
Speaker 2: market is is absolutely gone insane. I talked about it
Speaker 2: on the show earlier that thirty million ap y for
Speaker 2: receivers is not kind of the floor for the elite guys.
Speaker 2: And justin Jefferson, I think what you want. He's probably
Speaker 2: the best wide receiver in the NFL, and the Vikings
Speaker 2: know that he's a cornerstone. They've got a quarterback in
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold to who they're not paying big money to,
Speaker 2: and then they drafted a quarterback who they're playing a rookie.
Speaker 2: Numbers too, so you can afford to do this, especially
Speaker 2: when they made some of the changes that they made,
Speaker 2: getting somebody who costs less. And Johnson Gernard is an
Speaker 2: edge rusher than Danial Hunter. He got rid of Marcus
Speaker 2: Davenport on one side because he developed some young pass rushers.
Speaker 2: So they've got a good offensive line. We'll see what
Speaker 2: happens at running back right there. You know, they got
Speaker 2: Aaron Owns up there So, I mean, the Vikings are
Speaker 2: one of these teams where if they even get adequate
Speaker 2: quarterback play with a guy like Justin Jefferson, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about them being a playoff team.
Speaker 4: When no one is mentioning them.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: Right now, When you got a guy like Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: to occupy defensive coordinators game planning all week, he's gonna
Speaker 2: be worth the money for that alone, to open up
Speaker 2: the rest of the offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the best receiver in the league, I
Speaker 1: believe since he entered the league, so it's not surprising
Speaker 1: that he's the one to break this barrier. But wow,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten million dollars guaranteed, Nick, Like that
Speaker 1: is more than on some big quarterback contracts not that
Speaker 1: long ago, And you think like, oh, is that crazy
Speaker 1: for a receiver, And then I think, like Derek White,
Speaker 1: my favorite player in the NBA, got one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five million. So, man, Justin Jefferson's underplayed. Have your kids,
Speaker 1: the basketball players? What do you think though, Nick? Of like,
Speaker 1: wide receivers have really turned into even maybe ahead of
Speaker 1: edge rushers the number two position now, And I think
Speaker 1: it's partly in effect of the analytical thinking of front offices.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's sort of a drum PFF types
Speaker 1: have been saying for a while that, like wide receiver
Speaker 1: is probably the next most important position. Maybe it's defensive in.
Speaker 3: Well, first off I knew the Celtics would make it
Speaker 3: in here eventually, so congratulations, great, But yeah, I look
Speaker 3: at it kind of as an inverse with the Vikings,
Speaker 3: especially because you have a rookie quarterback and there are
Speaker 3: a few, just a small handful of receivers who can
Speaker 3: perform regardless of who's throwing it to them, and Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson is among that group. So instead of paying a
Speaker 3: quarterback thirty thirty five or more million dollars a year,
Speaker 3: you pay Justin Jefferson that money. You go with a rookie,
Speaker 3: You go with a Sam Darnold as a veteran, potentially
Speaker 3: starter maybe backup, we'll see how that shakes out. Right now,
Speaker 3: he looks like he's going to be the starter, but
Speaker 3: there's a lot of camp left to go, and you
Speaker 3: take those combined financial savings and you just dump it
Speaker 3: on that receiver, a guy who elevates the rest of
Speaker 3: the offense. He can you know, He's one of those
Speaker 3: rare guys that you can double him and he's still
Speaker 3: gonna make plays.
Speaker 5: He's gonna make plays when it's.
Speaker 3: Fourth and a mile and climb the ladder and make
Speaker 3: a one handed catch to keep your team alive in
Speaker 3: a thrilling game.
Speaker 5: That's just who he is.
Speaker 3: You pay these guys because you know, no matter what
Speaker 3: draft class it is, it's once in a generation or
Speaker 3: right around that range that you're gonna find a guy
Speaker 3: like Justin Jefferson. So even if it hurts your wallet,
Speaker 3: you know it's money well spent. Yeah, and the informs
Speaker 3: why they let Kirk Cousins go. They knew they were
Speaker 3: making doing this contract all along. I mean quest he
Speaker 3: said it. He said, we're going to make him the
Speaker 3: highest paid non QB in history at the podium, That's
Speaker 3: what I knew, Like, oh a, this is happening, and
Speaker 3: be they've already offered that, but he didn't take it
Speaker 3: like he wanted more than that, which is incredible. Let's
Speaker 3: listen to Jefferson and then Steve, you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 3: pick after that.
Speaker 7: This is definitely you know of just like I've been saying,
Speaker 7: this is the start of a lot. You know, this
Speaker 7: is something that I've been waiting for and now being
Speaker 7: the leader of this team and you know, carrying myself
Speaker 7: a different way. Uh, just like I told him, I'm
Speaker 7: going to be on everyone, but I'm going to be
Speaker 7: on you know, everyone hard, and I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 7: that I'm the leader of this team. And uh, you know,
Speaker 7: we're we're working to where we want to go, which
Speaker 7: is a world championship.
Speaker 1: Jefferson has cut through just like few others because if
Speaker 1: you watch youth flag football, they're all doing not just
Speaker 1: his gritty, but you know with the upside down rising,
Speaker 1: they're all doing Jefferson celebration well.
Speaker 2: And they love him in Minneapolis. I mean I'm a
Speaker 2: native of there. You know, they love him with the
Speaker 2: organization and community.
Speaker 4: So you know that's it.
Speaker 2: So my turn to redraft, right, I'm coming in next
Speaker 2: to mine. So I want to go to Micah Parsons. Okay,
Speaker 2: we've got Malie Hooker taking you know, his teammate taking shots,
Speaker 2: Adam Little him and him going back and forth with
Speaker 2: Micah has been joining c J. Stroud a little bit
Speaker 2: about being out there in the summer of Micah. But
Speaker 2: you gave us a quote talking about his new defense
Speaker 2: recording to Mike Zimmer remembers old DC dan Quinn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: who moved him from an inside linebacker to an edge rusher,
Speaker 2: where he's become a star, says, Honestly, me and Zim
Speaker 2: have probably said a total of twenty words together. He's
Speaker 2: a very quiet person. All I keep hearing from the
Speaker 2: coach is him likes it like this. Well, I like
Speaker 2: it that way. So I can't wait to sit down
Speaker 2: with him because that would be pretty cool. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: old school mindset, old school mentality. You know, I think
Speaker 2: he's had a lot of great players, but he never
Speaker 2: ain't ever had a Mica.
Speaker 4: He's never had a mic He hasn't.
Speaker 2: And this is where it's going to be very interesting,
Speaker 2: because you know, he said he's only said twenty words
Speaker 2: to Mike Zimmer. Mike Zimmer will say some things to
Speaker 2: him that are often preceded by an F and followed
Speaker 2: by an F. Mike Zimmer is is I know Zim
Speaker 2: quite well, right, and and Jim is one of the
Speaker 2: best coaches. But where I think Micah Parsons like, okay,
Speaker 2: we again, we saw dan Quinn previously move him from
Speaker 2: inside to edge and kind of use him as that
Speaker 2: little kind of unicorn type defender. Nobody may do that
Speaker 2: better than Mike Zimmer with certain guys. And I want
Speaker 2: to go back to when Zim was a defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: on the Falcons two styles and seven team with Bobby
Speaker 2: Petrino as the head coach. Wow, that staff, by the way,
Speaker 2: was absolutely fantastic. But Jim had a guy onside linebacker
Speaker 2: named Michael Bowley, right, and this is a guy, kind
Speaker 2: of a long, rangy dude, just kind of a dude, though,
Speaker 2: And when Zim had him Bullie two interceptions, seven passes, defense,
Speaker 2: four forced fumbles, three sacks, one hundred and ten tackles,
Speaker 2: seven quarterback hits. Sim goes to Cincinnati, does the same
Speaker 2: thing with guys like Carlos Dunlap, does the same thing
Speaker 2: with guys like Geno Atkins and Vontes Berfect. You know,
Speaker 2: he does the same thing with Anthony Barr. Sim will
Speaker 2: find a special talent. He sees things in guys that
Speaker 2: other people may not see. We all see it in Micah,
Speaker 2: but he might be able to do something with Mikeah
Speaker 2: Parsons that we have not seen before. So again we
Speaker 2: all know this is a one year audition for that
Speaker 2: coaching staff right here. They have got to get to
Speaker 2: the playoffs and make a deep run. But I think
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer paired with Micaeh Parsons and this is no
Speaker 2: shot at dan Quinn because he's fabulous at making people
Speaker 2: into stars and putting people in position to succeed. That
Speaker 2: could be an interesting marriage. Either it's going to be
Speaker 2: highly successful, like I did say with Michael Bowley, or
Speaker 2: it could be a nuclear disaster because dan Quinn is
Speaker 2: a very player friendly guy and Mike Zimmer. Guys love
Speaker 2: playing for him. But he's one of those old Bill
Speaker 2: Parcells type of dudes who will tell you about yourself
Speaker 2: in ways that you don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: Do you think Parsons is disciplined enough in terms of
Speaker 1: doing what the coaches want him to do to play
Speaker 1: in that sort of defense. Well, to me, he has
Speaker 1: a little bit of Lawrence Taylor to him talent wise,
Speaker 1: and sometimes he's just doing his own thing. But it
Speaker 1: works quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I think he will because again, Zimmer
Speaker 2: has shown historically to make guys better. Now he's tough
Speaker 2: and it wears on guys. But I mean You'll find
Speaker 2: most superstar athletes, especially defensive players, they want to be
Speaker 2: coached hard. They may not like the guy, but they
Speaker 2: want to be coach hard if they're seeing the results.
Speaker 2: And that's going to be the big thing with the
Speaker 2: Das Cowboys the season.
Speaker 1: Nick, let's go to you next with a pick. I
Speaker 1: want to get through as much as we can before
Speaker 1: we get Ian in on this show.
Speaker 3: All right, we brought this up earlier, but Anthony Richardson
Speaker 3: goes down with a shoulder injury after the first month
Speaker 3: of this season and completely fades from the consciousness of football.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to where we are now. He just completed
Speaker 3: mandatory mini camp and he did pretty well. He tried
Speaker 3: to sit out because of fatigue. But this guy is
Speaker 3: on track and he's on his way back. So are
Speaker 3: we worried about his shoulder or are we just geared
Speaker 3: up for year two in which hopefully he makes it
Speaker 3: through a full season.
Speaker 1: I am worried. Let's actually listen to Anthony Richardson and
Speaker 1: see what his reaction was that this was in June
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, when he was not full go
Speaker 1: at the mini camp practice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, nothing to worry about, you know. Dealt
Speaker 8: with this before. You know, normally I just ice up
Speaker 8: and just go back at it again. But you know,
Speaker 8: they saying there's no need to try to rest out
Speaker 8: there for the last day. You know, when we got
Speaker 8: the season coming up, so I got six weeks to
Speaker 8: you know, keep try to send and keep throwing and
Speaker 8: just keep him off.
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned. Aren't you make it through the
Speaker 1: end of Benny Camp. You just don't know at this
Speaker 1: time of year.
Speaker 2: But see, he's reckless, and let's also not you know,
Speaker 2: the way the style he played with reckless. Let's also
Speaker 2: not forget when it comes to college players, they end
Speaker 2: their seasons and then they go straight to training. Like
Speaker 2: the hardest guys ever work is coming out of their
Speaker 2: college years into their rookie year. They have no breather.
Speaker 2: They've got no time for their body to kind of recover.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what happened with him and Nick. I'm coming
Speaker 2: back to you because I know you live in the
Speaker 2: Cleveland area. I'm more worried about Deshaun watson shoulder than
Speaker 2: I am and Richardson's shoulder, just because the way the
Speaker 2: surgery that he had, the way that they've limited him,
Speaker 2: because This seems like much more of a structural issue
Speaker 2: than it does with Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not ofesome that you see a quarterback get,
Speaker 3: you know, suffer a glenoid fracture and then just come
Speaker 3: back perfectly fine. And the Browns kind of were a
Speaker 3: little tight lipped two degree on Watson and didn't show
Speaker 3: a lot of footage you know, on social media that
Speaker 3: type of thing.
Speaker 5: But again it is mini camp.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: And the thing with that situation is the Browns are
Speaker 3: experiencing dajevo once again their entire season. You know, hinges
Speaker 3: on whether Deshaun Watson could play well and if he
Speaker 3: could be healthy enough to play. You know, they got
Speaker 3: they pulled a rabbit out of a hat last year
Speaker 3: with Joe Flacco. That guy in that situation is not
Speaker 3: going to replicate itself in another year, so you need
Speaker 3: him to play well. So yeah, I would actually be
Speaker 3: more worried because I think more rides on Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: on Anthony Richardson. But between the two quarterbacks, the higher
Speaker 3: ceiling in my opinion right now is Anthony richards Get
Speaker 3: wait to watch him play, Like I now, I thought
Speaker 3: he was one of the sloppier quarterbacks in that class,
Speaker 3: because you know, he just his mechanics were a little sloppy.
Speaker 5: He's a little lazy with that.
Speaker 3: He wasn't fine tuned, and he'd missed some throws. He
Speaker 3: even did the combine. But my god, man, watching Shane
Speaker 3: stike and work with him just for a month, you
Speaker 3: could already see the possibilities there. You could see what
Speaker 3: could be ahead for him, and you just it just
Speaker 3: left you wanting more because I mean, Jane Stikeen, that's
Speaker 3: one of the coaches that we really didn't spend too
Speaker 3: much time talking about at the end of the season
Speaker 3: for the job that he did because we were paying
Speaker 3: attention to teams like the Texans. But I mean, he
Speaker 3: did a fantastic job in his first season and as
Speaker 3: a head coach, and that was with Gardner Minshew. Imagine
Speaker 3: what he could do with a fully healthy Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: So I cannot wait to watch him play, and I'm
Speaker 3: just keeping my figures crossed that he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: He has such a weird come not a weird and
Speaker 1: intriguing skill set. He just and I went back this
Speaker 1: offseason and watched every every throw he had, not that
Speaker 1: there were that many. It was it was four games,
Speaker 1: It was really two and a half, two games and
Speaker 1: then two half games. And he has incredible pocket presence
Speaker 1: for a rookie, Like he moves like like in a
Speaker 1: way like like Brady and Rivers move just like making
Speaker 1: the little subtle adjustments and knowing like you can't teach that.
Speaker 1: And he makes really good decisions I thought, for the
Speaker 1: most part in terms of where he throws it, and
Speaker 1: he seems to get through his reads pretty quick. But
Speaker 1: he's just not accurate. And he was and he was.
Speaker 1: He wasn't He wasn't preventing him from being effective, but
Speaker 1: he still wasn't accurate for the cults either. So he's
Speaker 1: like got all these really next level mature traits and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's built like Cam Newtoton and can
Speaker 1: run like that. So it's like that is such a
Speaker 1: crazy combination that all he's got to do is get
Speaker 1: the accuracy to be somewhere in the Josh Allen range
Speaker 1: and that'll be more than good enough.
Speaker 2: That's a great comparison because remember Josh Allen didn't have
Speaker 2: you know, and Anthony Richards, you got a less of
Speaker 2: a body of work as a starting quarterback than Josh
Speaker 2: Allen had, and we saw the improvement Josh Allen had
Speaker 2: in the accuracy department.
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson could be right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to move on to a story that
Speaker 1: surprised me a little bit this last month, not Tua
Speaker 1: being unsigned. And I want to get your perspective on this, Steve,
Speaker 1: because you've spent a lot of time with Tua and
Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. But Tyreek Hill talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about how he wants new money and at this
Speaker 1: becoming a public thing. You mentioned that about Jefferson. We
Speaker 1: do have a quote here from Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4: Very you know, proud of those guys.
Speaker 9: You're happy for obviously my teammate Wallall, you know, getting
Speaker 9: getting his new deal.
Speaker 4: So for guys, I mean that's great.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm thirty years old, you know, also looking
Speaker 9: for a new deal, so very excited to see where
Speaker 9: you know I fit in to that category.
Speaker 1: Right, So he's the receiver and maybe we'll talk about
Speaker 1: it with the end two that I could see him
Speaker 1: holding out. You know, this is a tricky situation for Miami,
Speaker 1: like can you pay these both of these guys? Tyree
Speaker 1: Hills getting up there in years. I mean, he's thirty,
Speaker 1: but he's still one of the most dangerous players. I
Speaker 1: get it. But he also has multiple years left on
Speaker 1: his contract. So do you want to be giving new
Speaker 1: money to a guy that's like under contract or you know,
Speaker 1: do you want him to maybe be a little unhappy and.
Speaker 2: Well, the honestly, you can't afford it because they're gonna
Speaker 2: pay to him. Okay, So but let's move on from that.
Speaker 2: Remember they paid they you know, the whole Bradley Chubb.
Speaker 1: Are they going to pay two at the level of like,
Speaker 1: it's got.
Speaker 4: To be up there?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's got to be up there.
Speaker 2: I mean, for nothing else agents aren't taking you know,
Speaker 2: hometown deals and trying to convince other quarterbacks to do it. Right,
Speaker 2: his number is going to be there. But maybe there's
Speaker 2: an out after two years that both of them agree on.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's the structure of it allows it in the
Speaker 2: way as to where he gets a bunch of money
Speaker 2: up front, but then in two or three years they
Speaker 2: can get out without taking a big type of pit.
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe you don't pay Tyreek Hill this year,
Speaker 2: but you sweeten it up next year. You have to
Speaker 2: see where things go. You've got Jalen Phillips, You've got
Speaker 2: some player if he saw him lose, a guy like
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, because you know they've got to pay. They're
Speaker 2: gonna have to retool their offensive line, you know a
Speaker 2: little bit more Causetron Armstead.
Speaker 1: You know he can't there O line is problematic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so there are things are going to
Speaker 4: have to do.
Speaker 2: But you can see the way some of their contracts
Speaker 2: are set up with other players where they're they can
Speaker 2: probably get Tyreek killed done because okay, can we talked
Speaker 2: about his age. Nobody wants to face Tyreek Hill except
Speaker 2: for well and now he's in uh you know he
Speaker 2: was with the Chiefs, now he's with the Titans. The
Speaker 2: dB who was jerious like, he's the only one who's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I have no fear of Tyre kill.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned it earlier, Jalen wadd I'll signed a
Speaker 1: new contract. It was one of those that was the
Speaker 1: third high new money. But if you really look at
Speaker 1: the full contract, because it was attacking years on, it's
Speaker 1: really five for one o eight. You know, so I
Speaker 1: do look at it that way. It gets spun a
Speaker 1: little bit, but still a great, A great deal for
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle. Are you as confident in weish? I guess
Speaker 1: as about the too A thing because I don't know, man, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: he's the too A whisperer here.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like any of this with the dolphins, just
Speaker 3: because Greg, think about it. Where did your kids when
Speaker 3: they were growing up keep their toys, you know, in
Speaker 3: one spare room or in an extra space in your house? Right?
Speaker 1: No, they got floor everywhere, yes, okay.
Speaker 3: And eventually they got new toys and you had to
Speaker 3: get rid of the old toys. You can't have too
Speaker 3: many toys with these dolphins, like and I agree Steve,
Speaker 3: nobody wants to face Tyreek and that's the move right
Speaker 3: now for the next year or two. But if he's
Speaker 3: got multiple years left in this deal and he still
Speaker 3: wants a new deal, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 3: Receivers always want new deals, even right after they get paid.
Speaker 3: They want new deals because the market keeps going up.
Speaker 3: But eventually you got to accept it. Look, we got
Speaker 3: to get rid of the old toys. These are these
Speaker 3: are gonna become hand me downs, donate these. We gotta
Speaker 3: let them wall You know it's gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 3: unfortunate for them, But I think that's the issue, especially
Speaker 3: if you paid too and I you know, I agree
Speaker 3: with you, Steve, He's gonna get paid. I think it's
Speaker 3: kind of a lot like the Trevor Lawrence situation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he led the league in passing yards last year, but
Speaker 3: if you asked the average Dolphins fan right now, I
Speaker 3: don't think that they'd feel one hundred percent confident into
Speaker 3: it as the future quarterback unless we see it done
Speaker 3: again this year.
Speaker 5: And I think that's why part of why we haven't
Speaker 5: seen it done yet.
Speaker 4: M all right, two and on, the two and on,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be all over it.
Speaker 1: I haven't been told that we have Ian Rappaport on
Speaker 1: the line. This guy is a big deal. He's the
Speaker 1: NFL network insider. I have I have a request for you, Nick,
Speaker 1: Can you hang out with us and return for the
Speaker 1: final segment of the show. Ian actually has something in
Speaker 1: his contract that he won't be on air with any
Speaker 1: one of your you know, physical statures. I don't mind, man,
Speaker 1: I'm the smallest guy at the company. But but that's
Speaker 1: you know what's happening.
Speaker 5: Hey, man, it's Okay, I can go sit down. Then
Speaker 5: it'll make everybody else feel better.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a quick break and we'll have
Speaker 1: come on and then we'll wrap the show with Nick
Speaker 1: in a little bit. Welcome back to NFL Daily. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to welcome in Ian Rapport. This is going to
Speaker 1: be part of our show. If we ever wish is
Speaker 1: granted every week, it's not always going to be you, Ian,
Speaker 1: It'll be an insider every week to give us the
Speaker 1: low down. You are NFL Media's foremost insider. Don't tell
Speaker 1: that to Garret Folo and Tom Pellisero. It's good to
Speaker 1: have you, San.
Speaker 10: I appreciate you taking time away from tennis watching to
Speaker 10: join me all in on Taylor, Fritz on Navarro loss.
Speaker 4: That kind of sucks.
Speaker 10: It's been very fun.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're breaking that news to me. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really shows how much I love football and was excited
Speaker 1: to launch this show this week. That I am basically
Speaker 1: missing the second week of Wimbledon other than like the
Speaker 1: early morning and stuff. It hurts, but Zverev is out
Speaker 1: and that is like almost like winning the championship every tournament.
Speaker 1: When he loses, I celebrate and I'm hoping alcohim.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk like a little holdout. Steve had
Speaker 1: to go running. Look, there's a lot going on at
Speaker 1: the building today. He is hosting NFL Insiders all week,
Speaker 1: so you guys should check that out and Ian will
Speaker 1: be on that as well. You're always on it. I
Speaker 1: want to talk hold outs down. We've talked a little
Speaker 1: bit already on this show about Tua and Tyreek, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw a bunch of names at you
Speaker 1: and you can either rank them or just tell me
Speaker 1: who you think is most likely to actually hold out
Speaker 1: once we get to training camp, and tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting anyone. I'll throw Tua, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: who we have not hit, and I'd like to Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk. Let's throw in Hassan Reddick still has not
Speaker 1: really showed up for the Jets, Amari Cooper, and Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: That's where I kind of leave the list there.
Speaker 10: Okay, We'll go to some of the players who did
Speaker 10: not show up at Minichamp, and these do not always correlate.
Speaker 10: It's not like a player missus Mini Caamp and then
Speaker 10: you know that he is going to hold out because
Speaker 10: we have seen very few actual real holdouts. So a
Speaker 10: couple last year, you know, obviously it was the Zach Martin,
Speaker 10: you know, that was one. It was the Bosha that
Speaker 10: was another. We don't see a lot of them. But
Speaker 10: I think one thing players are sort of realizing is
Speaker 10: if you really want to get paid, if you really
Speaker 10: want to use the leverage you have, staying away with
Speaker 10: holding services certainly a way to do it. I would
Speaker 10: say Cde Lamb and Brandon Ayuk are two that are
Speaker 10: at least possibilities. And you know, look we know this
Speaker 10: because they were not at miniicamp. I mean, Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 10: is obviously very serious and it seemed like there's been
Speaker 10: too much headway there. I think that's another one to watch.
Speaker 10: Jamar Chase, I know it's very serious. I know wants
Speaker 10: to make let's just say, one penny more than justin Jefferson.
Speaker 10: He did decide to show up at Midikip, which seems
Speaker 10: to mean potentially that he would maybe show up at
Speaker 10: training camp. Now is he going to do anything?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So a lot of time.
Speaker 10: The difference here is just are you physically present or not?
Speaker 10: Because you can hold in which at the same effect
Speaker 10: as holding out, you just don't get fined as much,
Speaker 10: which is why it's something that has been obviously pretty
Speaker 10: attractive to players.
Speaker 1: So I do want to pat myself on the back
Speaker 1: here because no one else is going to do it
Speaker 1: for me. Ian, I think I created You're sitting there
Speaker 1: in a room. Well that's true. Yeah, Steve had to go.
Speaker 1: I think I coined Holden. I really did. Really, I'm
Speaker 1: I wanted like it's because it was a new CBA thing,
Speaker 1: and I started writing it on our website, and I
Speaker 1: started saying it on the podcast, and we put in
Speaker 1: some headlines, and I swear I hadn't seen it anywhere else,
Speaker 1: and now it's just a thing. So I've contributed very
Speaker 1: very little to the football community over the years, but
Speaker 1: I think I contributed Holden. I feel like you did.
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't remember seeing anyone else besides you
Speaker 10: do it, nor did I really pay even attention until
Speaker 10: you know saying it. I feel like I don't know
Speaker 10: if I don't think I created it, but I feel
Speaker 10: like I helped popularize officially official, like when you report
Speaker 10: a deal and then it becomes announced. So I would
Speaker 10: give myself kudos for that one. Now there's other nonsense
Speaker 10: that I'm sure I've contributed to the NFL lexicon. Scoop
Speaker 10: Town I feel like was one of my original words,
Speaker 10: which some people use to describe our little world. But yeah,
Speaker 10: your contribution is noted as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: This is a tough combination. I think Ian Me and
Speaker 1: you were just like going to be so obnoxious as
Speaker 1: a combination that I don't know what that's going to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the listeners will love it, maybe they will
Speaker 1: hate it. A son reddick, though, is a weird one
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 10: Way to find out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to actually go back
Speaker 1: to CD quickly because like what are the Cowboys doing
Speaker 1: with DAK and CD? Because like, why why are they
Speaker 1: the team that keeps waiting when it just seems like
Speaker 1: they look at the Eagles, for instance, their divisions, like oh,
Speaker 1: the smart teams get two years ahead of it, and
Speaker 1: instead they're a year behind. Like why does that keep happening?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that is true, and you know, look,
Speaker 10: the Eagles are unbelievably proactive and a lot of times
Speaker 10: it works, not all the time. Sometimes you extend your
Speaker 10: own player and it, you know, kind of blows up.
Speaker 4: In your face.
Speaker 10: But these are the guys you should know well, right,
Speaker 10: So when DeVante Smith gets twenty five million dollars and
Speaker 10: all the other receivers, you know, jump him by a
Speaker 10: little but still jump him, makes Egles seem like, well
Speaker 10: they really are ahead of it. Now we'll see what
Speaker 10: kind of year he ends up having, but certainly someone
Speaker 10: who should get that kind of money, you know, I
Speaker 10: think the Cowboys have spent a lot of years dealing
Speaker 10: with dead money, dodging dead money, and I do think
Speaker 10: they wanted to take this year to kind of get
Speaker 10: their feet under him, getting better salary cap shape and
Speaker 10: not you know, essentially over leverage themselves. Now that can
Speaker 10: be good, But what I think has happened is they've
Speaker 10: seen the market climb as high as possible. I mean,
Speaker 10: the quarterback market for sure climb when Trevor Lawrence got
Speaker 10: fifty five. The receiver market sure climbed when Justin Jefferson
Speaker 10: got was it thirty four?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 10: That he ended up getting broke that deal, I should
Speaker 10: remember it. But anyway, so I do think the Cowboys
Speaker 10: would like to pay ceedee Lamb. That Dak Prescott one
Speaker 10: is interesting because up until recently, there's been almost no
Speaker 10: movement there, leading me to think, not reporting, but just
Speaker 10: think that he might actually play it out. And then
Speaker 10: Dak talked at his camp and said, there's been conversations.
Speaker 5: Back and forth.
Speaker 10: This is the first time I think we've heard that
Speaker 10: there may be have been contract conversation. So we'll keep
Speaker 10: an eye on that one. But basically, what they've done
Speaker 10: is let the market develop and then they're gonna end
Speaker 10: up paying a little higher than they probably otherwise might have.
Speaker 1: Or the way you're talking about it to me, like,
Speaker 1: if I hear that as a Cowboys fan, I worry
Speaker 1: because that sounds like a potential reset year if things
Speaker 1: just don't go well, Like we don't know how this
Speaker 1: season's going to go. Maybe it's going to go great
Speaker 1: and they're going to want to keep everything together. But
Speaker 1: if you know, the Mike Zimmer experience doesn't go well
Speaker 1: and you're not using all the resources you can.
Speaker 10: Gold on, start start at the top, Start at Mike McCarthy. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean, now, of all the decisions that helped color
Speaker 10: the Cowboys season, not extending Mike McCarthy, having a playout
Speaker 10: on a lame duck year, you know, certainly affects it
Speaker 10: as much as anything, and so you know, in any
Speaker 10: other situation, you would say, obviously you're going to extend
Speaker 10: the coach, Obviously you're going to extend the starting quarterback.
Speaker 10: Move on from there. They haven't yet done either, and
Speaker 10: I would say both would seem a little crazy taken
Speaker 10: out of the context. But with I mean, they really
Speaker 10: are setting up like a if it doesn't work this year,
Speaker 10: at least with McCarthy, it doesn't work this year, we'll
Speaker 10: just move on. Now, moving on from Dak is much much,
Speaker 10: much harder, because you could say whatever you want about
Speaker 10: the MVP candidate and someone who's stature as good as anyone,
Speaker 10: and son who's probably as underappreciated a quarterback as there
Speaker 10: is in the NFL. But if the Cowboys let him
Speaker 10: go to free agency, who are you going to replace
Speaker 10: him with?
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing, And there are no answers right
Speaker 1: They won't find an answer better than DAK. I think
Speaker 1: it's crazy, but I also think they just look like
Speaker 1: an indecisive team. And I love it when we get
Speaker 1: You know, Ian's a reporter, he's a reporter's reporter, he's
Speaker 1: our insider. But I do love when we can get
Speaker 1: a little bit of analysis, a little bit of opinion
Speaker 1: from Ian here on NFL Daily. I guess I'll rap
Speaker 1: with this on Red because this seems so weird. Did
Speaker 1: the Jets mess this up by trading for a guy
Speaker 1: who like wasn't happy to be there? Like I can't
Speaker 1: remember ever a guy getting traded for in an off
Speaker 1: season and not showing up. And you could be quick
Speaker 1: on this. I know you got to go get back
Speaker 1: to the insider, but it's like, what is happening here?
Speaker 10: I don't remember a similar I'm sure there have been
Speaker 10: some I don't remember similar situation.
Speaker 4: Did they screw it up?
Speaker 10: I don't think so, because honestly, if I got didn't
Speaker 10: show up for mini camp, I mean sure, we spent
Speaker 10: a lot of time talking about There was a reporter
Speaker 10: whose name I totally forget, who one time said to me,
Speaker 10: this world will be better if we ignore everything that
Speaker 10: we report from May till training camp starts. You remember
Speaker 10: who that was? No, never been anyone.
Speaker 4: Oh it was you.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I didn't know I was a reporter.
Speaker 1: I would have thought that that was me. Something that smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, it would be better not much that happens
Speaker 1: before then, other than like actual transactions and injuries and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, other than actual transactions.
Speaker 10: But if we get through training to training camp and
Speaker 10: he hasn't signed, then it's a thing. I do not
Speaker 10: yet think that it's a thing.
Speaker 1: I love that Ian is clocking and writing down things
Speaker 1: I said from like years ago and using it as
Speaker 1: gospel to give back to me in a live setting.
Speaker 1: That makes me feel special.
Speaker 10: Different right here.
Speaker 1: Ian, thank you so much. We hope to have you on,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the build up of the season and
Speaker 1: hopefully in the season. I know you're a busy man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time.
Speaker 10: All right, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Thanks Ian. Back on NFL Daily. We've got people coming,
Speaker 1: people going. Steve Weisch, as I said, is out the door.
Speaker 1: But Nick shook his back to wrap up the show
Speaker 1: with me, and I gotta say, Nick, we didn't get
Speaker 1: to everything on the news rundown, and so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to get to everything now and good luck. It's
Speaker 1: like a long list and you can feel free to
Speaker 1: jump in when you can or ask you But basically,
Speaker 1: everything that happened in the NFL for the last six
Speaker 1: weeks or so that we did not hit. At the
Speaker 1: top of the show, Let's let's play some NFL films music.
Speaker 1: We have this huge library and it just feels like
Speaker 1: we got to start just taking full advantage of it.
Speaker 1: It's free and it's amazing. Let's go Randy, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite one I mentioned Juwan Jennon's got
Speaker 1: that contract, George Kittle, Jimmy Ward of the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers coming off core muscle surgeries. That was kind of
Speaker 1: like sneaky big news out there. Darren Waller retired and
Speaker 1: also released one of the most regrettable music videos I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, Shook.
Speaker 5: It was bad.
Speaker 4: It was bad.
Speaker 1: It was really bad.
Speaker 5: Don't watch it. Just just move on with your life.
Speaker 1: You never saw it. Maybe do watch it, but at
Speaker 1: least a skip to the really crazy part, which is
Speaker 1: like the last minute and a half with the Kelsey
Speaker 1: Plumb lookalike Falcons. They only got to find a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick for tampering with Kirk Cousins. Remember when we
Speaker 1: thought that that was gonna be a really big deal.
Speaker 1: Was not a big deal. The Jaguars finally got a
Speaker 1: stadium deal done, but they're not going to play in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville in twenty twenty seven. That's on my radar as
Speaker 1: like a sneaky, crazy story that's going to be coming up.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears are your hard knocks team this year.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for way more Eberflus in my life. We
Speaker 1: also found out the n season hard knocks team is
Speaker 1: actually four teams. It is the AFC North. What anything
Speaker 1: about the division getting a whole hard knocks treatment.
Speaker 3: Nothing's harder than rough and tumble AFC North football, let's go.
Speaker 1: I also think it was hard to do in season
Speaker 1: hard knocks and make it great with one team, so
Speaker 1: you get more good stuff with four teams. Mike Tomlins
Speaker 1: began the AFC North sign an extension through twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: His cornerback Cam Sutton got suspended eight games. That was
Speaker 1: just this week. They knew he would be suspended when
Speaker 1: they signed him for an offseason domestic assault violation. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers skipped Mini camp I thought that was kind of
Speaker 1: a nothing burger, but also was weird. Kalayis Campbell signed
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. That was fun. In terms of first
Speaker 1: team reps news, All Russell Wilson in Denver, All Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold in Minnesota, Jalen Hurts had a weird comment or
Speaker 1: not a weird comment, but ninety five percent of the
Speaker 1: Eagles off news, so this is really Kellen Moore's offense.
Speaker 1: That's something to know about one guy. We didn't mention
Speaker 1: about hold ups with Miean Marshawn Lattimore because he showed up,
Speaker 1: so that is not going to be an issue. You're Browns.
Speaker 1: Shookie signed Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry to contract extensions,
Speaker 1: and now.
Speaker 3: They got to sign on Mario Cooper to an extension
Speaker 3: because he held out of many camps.
Speaker 5: But that'll happened before long.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, I think that will happen. Corey Linsley,
Speaker 1: the Chargers center, retired. That sneaky, like huge news for
Speaker 1: them just because he was such a good player. T
Speaker 1: Higgins signed his franchise tag. Zach Martin said he could
Speaker 1: retire after the season. Thought that was interesting. The Raiders
Speaker 1: gave Max Crosby a raise just because you never see this,
Speaker 1: but he just gave him a raise for this year
Speaker 1: just because he's so good. Didn't add any years on,
Speaker 1: just like they love him.
Speaker 3: And then he spent that money on a new field
Speaker 3: at Eastern Michigan as a mac guy. Thank you Max
Speaker 3: Crosby for reinvesting in the Mid American conofferate.
Speaker 1: Remindre Stevenson got an extension. Naje Harris is not happy,
Speaker 1: is not talking, is not practicing because they didn't give
Speaker 1: him a fifth year option or he wants a new contract.
Speaker 1: Something's going on there. Marshawn Lynch and Gavin Newsom have
Speaker 1: a podcast, What a UFL Legend. Jake Bates to hit
Speaker 1: back to back sixty four yarders was signed by the Lions.
Speaker 1: I love this and I love that we end our
Speaker 1: news rundown that way.
Speaker 5: Hey man, you can't buy big legs, so you got
Speaker 5: to go sign them, which is kind of like buying them.
Speaker 1: But not really. I do love I mean, if you
Speaker 1: hit back to back sixty four yard as it feels
Speaker 1: the same, you should absolutely get signed. And yeah, Starter news.
Speaker 1: A couple of last things. Just Jade Daniels, they're not
Speaker 1: they're not crowning them quite yet. And Daniel Jones maybe
Speaker 1: isn't going to be quite ready for training camp, but
Speaker 1: something I'm going to keep an eye on. That's it
Speaker 1: for the news portion of this show. But Shook yesterday
Speaker 1: I introduced just the concept of an after dinner mint,
Speaker 1: just something nice to end the show on. And I
Speaker 1: thought about something me and you talked about. We've known
Speaker 1: each other a long time, ten years now. I actually
Speaker 1: hired you back in the day. And for people that
Speaker 1: don't know that, you can't just tell him this show
Speaker 1: that Chuck as just a great guy, a great friend.
Speaker 1: And we've gone through some things this offseason, some ups
Speaker 1: and some downs. And you know, you told me a
Speaker 1: great story about your grandfather, I know is an important
Speaker 1: person in your life. It really stuck with me. It
Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. I thought, you know what
Speaker 1: if you don't mind to hear it here on the podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, whenever life gives you, you know, some
Speaker 5: trials and tribulations. You know this. I knew a man
Speaker 5: I'm named after him, actually who you know?
Speaker 3: He was a successful businessman, the patriarch of a family,
Speaker 3: and had a stroke three years before I was born,
Speaker 3: completely paralyzed on the right side of his body and
Speaker 3: found a way to live another twenty five years and
Speaker 3: never lost his sunny optimism. And I was fortunate to
Speaker 3: spend a year living with him my freshman year of college.
Speaker 5: I commuted.
Speaker 3: We shared an apartment and I will forever treasure those
Speaker 3: talks I had with him, and one of the biggest
Speaker 3: points he always made to me as I went through
Speaker 3: some difficulties of just being an eighteen nineteen year old
Speaker 3: kid trying to find your way is look, life is
Speaker 3: full of ups and downs. If I always looked at
Speaker 3: him and thought, if he can live another quarter of
Speaker 3: a century with half of his by not being able
Speaker 3: to be used. He lost his business, he lost pretty
Speaker 3: much everything, He lost his wife to Alzheimer's, and yet
Speaker 3: he was still so optimistic. And every time I would
Speaker 3: talk about that, he would just look at me and
Speaker 3: do the hand up and down, ups and downs, ups
Speaker 3: and downs. And he passed away, actually, Greg, a few
Speaker 3: days after you hired me back in twenty fourteen, right
Speaker 3: when I got to LA he passed away. And I
Speaker 3: still think about him to this day whenever things get tough,
Speaker 3: and I'd just like to share that message with everybody else.
Speaker 3: You know, life has its ups and downs, but when
Speaker 3: you're down, just knowing up is on the way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just stuck with me because you said, you know
Speaker 1: you're there in the room with him, and he obviously
Speaker 1: means so much to you and your family. He told
Speaker 1: me all about him. It really sounds like a great
Speaker 1: man and leader of your family. But that he he
Speaker 1: just did that motion and he just said, like that's life,
Speaker 1: and it seems I think if I was younger and
Speaker 1: I heard that, I might even be a little cynical
Speaker 1: about it or like, oh, of course there's there's ups
Speaker 1: and downs. That doesn't mean anything to me. But I
Speaker 1: think as you get older, and I think you're wise
Speaker 1: beyond your years, shook like you realize there's you're never
Speaker 1: gonna get to this point where it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm good there, And I think I think I thought
Speaker 1: that when I was younger, that it's like you're building
Speaker 1: towards something and then you get there and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm good, this is nice, like I'm here. And as
Speaker 1: you get older, I think, you know, your grandfather knew
Speaker 1: this better better than we do, but that nothing's ever
Speaker 1: gonna stay the same like that, like you got to
Speaker 1: first of all, appreciate when when it is going on,
Speaker 1: those ups, like be there, be present and like love
Speaker 1: the hell out of it and understand that like it's
Speaker 1: not gonna last. Not that like just that life's not
Speaker 1: gonna last because that's obviously you know, part of it,
Speaker 1: but just that moment, that stretch of time, those couple
Speaker 1: of years, those couple of months, whatever, it's going to
Speaker 1: be like, that's not forever, and you're gonna really be
Speaker 1: hit by something. That's everyone. That's life, and life is
Speaker 1: about how you respond and can get through those really
Speaker 1: tough times, but it's also about how you enjoy it
Speaker 1: and appreciate those great times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one thing I always remind myself and I
Speaker 3: had written on a posted note stuck to one of
Speaker 3: my computers back in the day, which was, you know,
Speaker 3: it might sound dark, but it's true, and you can
Speaker 3: see it both positive and negative. Nothing is forever. So
Speaker 3: when the things are good, enjoy them and embrace them
Speaker 3: and value them.
Speaker 5: Soak it all in. And when it's bad, just know
Speaker 5: this won't last forever.
Speaker 1: The Tao of Shook. I appreciate you, man, and appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone who reached out and appreciated and enjoyed and listened
Speaker 1: to the first episode. I know it's different, it's going
Speaker 1: to continue to be different, and we're figuring this thing
Speaker 1: out and I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 3: But I do.
Speaker 1: Really love all the people who listen and are going
Speaker 1: through it too and knowing that it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a tricky time, but it's also an exciting time. And
Speaker 1: I hear you out there, and it's really cool that
Speaker 1: so many of you are going to be along for
Speaker 1: this ride, and that includes you. A Shuk gonna be
Speaker 1: a big part of the show. And you know, you've
Speaker 1: been on Sunday nights and you will continue to be,
Speaker 1: but you've you've deserved kind of an upgrade for a while,
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, we're we're gonna be counting on you, Shuck,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to have you here on the second show,
Speaker 1: was glad to have Steve Weish here as well, who
Speaker 1: will be a big part of the show, before he
Speaker 1: ran off to go host Insiders. Ian Rapport also helping
Speaker 1: us out with the holdout News. Excited for tomorrow, we
Speaker 1: got mina chimes. We're gonna look ahead to the AFC
Speaker 1: and preview their camps. Till then, I'm Greg Rosenthal. See
Speaker 1: you next time.