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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm beyond

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Speaker 1: lucky today to be joined in the studio by Steve

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Speaker 1: Weisch and on remote in Ohio by Nick Shook. We've

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Speaker 1: missed a lot of news in this feed here since

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Speaker 1: since you're in the NFL last tape to podcasts, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to catch up today with Steve and Nick.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Steve, I wait for John Facenda's voice to come in

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Speaker 2: with that music right there. I mean, just like the

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Speaker 2: whole symphonic element of that's strong for the Daily.

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Speaker 1: You Yeah, you just heard it for the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we were adding elements as we go here. Shooky,

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Speaker 1: at me, so yeah, you can check us out on

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Speaker 1: YouTube as well. And it's good to see you Shook.

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Speaker 1: And yeah for the YouTube. Body, it's just take off

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Speaker 1: your hat and show your sunburn right now, because it

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Speaker 1: is like the best bald sunburn I've ever Dude, you

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Speaker 3: This is this is what happens when you were at

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Speaker 3: from a sunburn when you're playing sand volleyball. But you

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Speaker 3: your preference right there, and how it's just imprinted in

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Speaker 1: So as I mentioned, and how are you shooky? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had a good off season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we're cooking. We're ready for the season.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get the fresh tape going. There's

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Speaker 3: so you know you guys talked about on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 3: There's so much unknown we don't know yet, but we're

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Speaker 3: going to find out that curiosity. I'm just ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I want to find out, I want to learn. I

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Speaker 1: I know this is a week that is it's like

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Speaker 1: the last truly quiet week and you never know, things

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Speaker 1: could change, but this is like really the last total

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Speaker 1: week of the off season. Next week, the Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: and rookies for some teams start reporting earlier in the week. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: football is back, and we're going to talk about what's

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Speaker 1: happened really in the last six weeks. Because I'm just

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Speaker 1: joining us during the season, Yes, quite a bit, and

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Speaker 1: I really am excited about that, and Nick, you are

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Speaker 1: is gonna have a really important news element. We're doing

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Speaker 1: this daily and that's partly to catch everything, Like if

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Speaker 1: But we didn't catch any you know, anything for six

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Speaker 1: My takes have been building up and I want to

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Speaker 1: go through all the biggest stuff that that's been going

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Speaker 1: on this offseason. And I made a list and you

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Speaker 1: list what we think mattered because obviously all of it

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Speaker 1: start off. So it's a draft with absolutely no repercussions.

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Speaker 1: You can't really win this draft, I guess, but I'm

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Speaker 3: This is going to be the longest run up of

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Speaker 3: massive quarterback contract that most everybody expected would happen before long.

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is locked up through twenty thirty. Massive deal

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Speaker 3: for him, two hundred and seventy five million dollars and

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence as their guy, they had to make this.

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Speaker 3: They had to get this done. It's just as simple

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Speaker 3: So him getting this contract now it's a vote of confidence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pressure is on because when I saw this, Nick,

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Speaker 2: That's what they say. What do we do if we

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Speaker 2: we really believe that Trevor Lawrence is that guy? And

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Speaker 2: as Nick said, we've seen flashes where there's been no doubt.

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Speaker 2: we've seen some inconsistencies and we saw last year when

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Speaker 4: So I think that's where it works.

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Speaker 2: But this the season is gonna be interesting because last year,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor Lawrence is the like third most exciting

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Speaker 4: I thought you were putting Will Levis ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: Will Levis is exciting. We're gonna have Nate Tyson on Monday,

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Speaker 1: He's shown flashes, he's compelling. These contracts are tough to

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Speaker 1: But that's just how the NFL works, that everyone gets

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Speaker 1: just don't want to be the cowboys and wait until

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Speaker 1: Dak doesn't have that contract, And to me, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: and he's shown where he is, but like not exactly

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Speaker 1: where Trevor Lawrence says. It's just people expected more out

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because we're talking about this because the

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Speaker 1: That is a bargain, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: ten years. Any ten year contract in the NFL the bargain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: All Right, let's go draft pick number two, Steve Weiss.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Okay, well, I'm going to stay in the

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Speaker 2: division because this has been the summer of c. J.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you talk.

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Speaker 2: About the six weeks Greg, if you had your eyes closed,

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Speaker 4: He's been on all these podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We see him at the Fanatics White Party, but then

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Speaker 2: you can say that a franchise changing player. The Houston

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Speaker 2: he has shown some of himself nick like as a

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Speaker 2: and inviting guys over to his house every Thursday Night.

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Speaker 4: Whatever. This to me that the summer of CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud has been absolutely fantastic in the fact that Micah

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Speaker 2: Droud's like, no, you can't. I'm not even getting one

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Speaker 1: He has no filter when talking about other players. Great

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Speaker 1: and he's you know, we talked about him on on

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Speaker 1: Like he wasn't wasn't afraid to throw a little shade

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Speaker 1: there at Aaron Rodgers, Like not the biggest Aaron Rodgers fan,

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Speaker 1: a ball knower, and yeah, he was doing something. Who knows,

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Speaker 1: maybe other Cowboys teammates would like to do, just shade

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Speaker 1: you know, my goad just a little bit, just like

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Speaker 1: if he's getting out of order, just say say something back.

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Speaker 1: Are you a big CJ guy?

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Speaker 4: Nick?

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Speaker 3: I was taken aback at his press conference when people

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Speaker 1: He's a great example of the guy you are drafting

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Speaker 2: That's something that we're seeing with these contracts. But speaking

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Speaker 1: It's almost too much. There's almost like everything's a little

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Speaker 1: inn Auke, not quite as physical. But that was just

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Speaker 1: twenty four When you do these contracts, they're tacking on.

434
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Speaker 1: It was an extension, so it looks like it was

435
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Speaker 1: twenty four million per year, but really, if it's the

436
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Speaker 1: whole contract, it was eighteen per year, which for a

437
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Speaker 1: wide receiver is affordable these days. We'll probably talk about

438
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Speaker 1: more receiver contracts as we haven't talked about the biggest one.

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Speaker 1: But first we're going to take a quick break back

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Speaker 1: on NFL Daily. Oh, let's us get to it. We

441
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Speaker 1: might as well talk to Justin Jefferson. That's been the

442
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Speaker 1: biggest contract since we last talk to y'all out there,

443
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Speaker 1: And yeah, Justin Jefferson signing the biggest contract in the

444
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Speaker 1: history of football for a wide receiver and bigger than

445
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Speaker 1: some top shelf quarterbacks were making not that long ago.

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Speaker 4: Steve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, a four year, one hundred and forty million

448
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Speaker 2: dollar deal. The Vikings tried to come to a deal

449
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Speaker 2: with them last year and they couldn't get there. And

450
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Speaker 2: you know, good for Jefferson because you saw how the

451
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: market is is absolutely gone insane. I talked about it

452
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Speaker 2: on the show earlier that thirty million ap y for

453
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Speaker 2: receivers is not kind of the floor for the elite guys.

454
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Speaker 2: And justin Jefferson, I think what you want. He's probably

455
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Speaker 2: the best wide receiver in the NFL, and the Vikings

456
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: know that he's a cornerstone. They've got a quarterback in

457
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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold to who they're not paying big money to,

458
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Speaker 2: and then they drafted a quarterback who they're playing a rookie.

459
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Speaker 2: Numbers too, so you can afford to do this, especially

460
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Speaker 2: when they made some of the changes that they made,

461
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Speaker 2: getting somebody who costs less. And Johnson Gernard is an

462
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Speaker 2: edge rusher than Danial Hunter. He got rid of Marcus

463
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Speaker 2: Davenport on one side because he developed some young pass rushers.

464
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Speaker 2: So they've got a good offensive line. We'll see what

465
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Speaker 2: happens at running back right there. You know, they got

466
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Speaker 2: Aaron Owns up there So, I mean, the Vikings are

467
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Speaker 2: one of these teams where if they even get adequate

468
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Speaker 2: quarterback play with a guy like Justin Jefferson, we're gonna

469
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Speaker 2: be talking about them being a playoff team.

470
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Speaker 4: When no one is mentioning them.

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Speaker 1: Mmm.

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Speaker 2: Right now, When you got a guy like Justin Jefferson

473
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Speaker 2: to occupy defensive coordinators game planning all week, he's gonna

474
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Speaker 2: be worth the money for that alone, to open up

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Speaker 2: the rest of the offense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the best receiver in the league, I

477
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Speaker 1: believe since he entered the league, so it's not surprising

478
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Speaker 1: that he's the one to break this barrier. But wow,

479
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Speaker 1: one hundred and ten million dollars guaranteed, Nick, Like that

480
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Speaker 1: is more than on some big quarterback contracts not that

481
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Speaker 1: long ago, And you think like, oh, is that crazy

482
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Speaker 1: for a receiver, And then I think, like Derek White,

483
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Speaker 1: my favorite player in the NBA, got one hundred and

484
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Speaker 1: twenty five million. So, man, Justin Jefferson's underplayed. Have your kids,

485
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Speaker 1: the basketball players? What do you think though, Nick? Of like,

486
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Speaker 1: wide receivers have really turned into even maybe ahead of

487
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Speaker 1: edge rushers the number two position now, And I think

488
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Speaker 1: it's partly in effect of the analytical thinking of front offices.

489
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Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's sort of a drum PFF types

490
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Speaker 1: have been saying for a while that, like wide receiver

491
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Speaker 1: is probably the next most important position. Maybe it's defensive in.

492
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Speaker 3: Well, first off I knew the Celtics would make it

493
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Speaker 3: in here eventually, so congratulations, great, But yeah, I look

494
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Speaker 3: at it kind of as an inverse with the Vikings,

495
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Speaker 3: especially because you have a rookie quarterback and there are

496
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Speaker 3: a few, just a small handful of receivers who can

497
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Speaker 3: perform regardless of who's throwing it to them, and Justin

498
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Speaker 3: Jefferson is among that group. So instead of paying a

499
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Speaker 3: quarterback thirty thirty five or more million dollars a year,

500
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Speaker 3: you pay Justin Jefferson that money. You go with a rookie,

501
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Speaker 3: You go with a Sam Darnold as a veteran, potentially

502
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Speaker 3: starter maybe backup, we'll see how that shakes out. Right now,

503
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Speaker 3: he looks like he's going to be the starter, but

504
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of camp left to go, and you

505
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Speaker 3: take those combined financial savings and you just dump it

506
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Speaker 3: on that receiver, a guy who elevates the rest of

507
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Speaker 3: the offense. He can you know, He's one of those

508
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Speaker 3: rare guys that you can double him and he's still

509
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Speaker 3: gonna make plays.

510
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Speaker 5: He's gonna make plays when it's.

511
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Speaker 3: Fourth and a mile and climb the ladder and make

512
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Speaker 3: a one handed catch to keep your team alive in

513
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Speaker 3: a thrilling game.

514
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Speaker 5: That's just who he is.

515
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Speaker 3: You pay these guys because you know, no matter what

516
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: draft class it is, it's once in a generation or

517
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: right around that range that you're gonna find a guy

518
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Speaker 3: like Justin Jefferson. So even if it hurts your wallet,

519
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: you know it's money well spent. Yeah, and the informs

520
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Speaker 3: why they let Kirk Cousins go. They knew they were

521
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Speaker 3: making doing this contract all along. I mean quest he

522
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Speaker 3: said it. He said, we're going to make him the

523
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Speaker 3: highest paid non QB in history at the podium, That's

524
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Speaker 3: what I knew, Like, oh a, this is happening, and

525
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Speaker 3: be they've already offered that, but he didn't take it

526
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Speaker 3: like he wanted more than that, which is incredible. Let's

527
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Speaker 3: listen to Jefferson and then Steve, you're gonna you're gonna

528
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Speaker 3: pick after that.

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Speaker 7: This is definitely you know of just like I've been saying,

530
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Speaker 7: this is the start of a lot. You know, this

531
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Speaker 7: is something that I've been waiting for and now being

532
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Speaker 7: the leader of this team and you know, carrying myself

533
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Speaker 7: a different way. Uh, just like I told him, I'm

534
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Speaker 7: going to be on everyone, but I'm going to be

535
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Speaker 7: on you know, everyone hard, and I'm gonna make sure

536
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Speaker 7: that I'm the leader of this team. And uh, you know,

537
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Speaker 7: we're we're working to where we want to go, which

538
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Speaker 7: is a world championship.

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Speaker 1: Jefferson has cut through just like few others because if

540
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Speaker 1: you watch youth flag football, they're all doing not just

541
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Speaker 1: his gritty, but you know with the upside down rising,

542
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: they're all doing Jefferson celebration well.

543
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Speaker 2: And they love him in Minneapolis. I mean I'm a

544
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Speaker 2: native of there. You know, they love him with the

545
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Speaker 2: organization and community.

546
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Speaker 4: So you know that's it.

547
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Speaker 2: So my turn to redraft, right, I'm coming in next

548
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: to mine. So I want to go to Micah Parsons. Okay,

549
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: we've got Malie Hooker taking you know, his teammate taking shots,

550
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Speaker 2: Adam Little him and him going back and forth with

551
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Speaker 2: Micah has been joining c J. Stroud a little bit

552
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Speaker 2: about being out there in the summer of Micah. But

553
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Speaker 2: you gave us a quote talking about his new defense

554
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Speaker 2: recording to Mike Zimmer remembers old DC dan Quinn, Yeah,

555
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Speaker 2: who moved him from an inside linebacker to an edge rusher,

556
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Speaker 2: where he's become a star, says, Honestly, me and Zim

557
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: have probably said a total of twenty words together. He's

558
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Speaker 2: a very quiet person. All I keep hearing from the

559
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Speaker 2: coach is him likes it like this. Well, I like

560
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Speaker 2: it that way. So I can't wait to sit down

561
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Speaker 2: with him because that would be pretty cool. Obviously, the

562
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: old school mindset, old school mentality. You know, I think

563
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Speaker 2: he's had a lot of great players, but he never

564
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Speaker 2: ain't ever had a Mica.

565
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Speaker 4: He's never had a mic He hasn't.

566
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Speaker 2: And this is where it's going to be very interesting,

567
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Speaker 2: because you know, he said he's only said twenty words

568
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Speaker 2: to Mike Zimmer. Mike Zimmer will say some things to

569
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Speaker 2: him that are often preceded by an F and followed

570
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Speaker 2: by an F. Mike Zimmer is is I know Zim

571
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Speaker 2: quite well, right, and and Jim is one of the

572
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Speaker 2: best coaches. But where I think Micah Parsons like, okay,

573
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Speaker 2: we again, we saw dan Quinn previously move him from

574
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Speaker 2: inside to edge and kind of use him as that

575
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Speaker 2: little kind of unicorn type defender. Nobody may do that

576
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Speaker 2: better than Mike Zimmer with certain guys. And I want

577
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Speaker 2: to go back to when Zim was a defensive coordinator

578
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: on the Falcons two styles and seven team with Bobby

579
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Speaker 2: Petrino as the head coach. Wow, that staff, by the way,

580
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: was absolutely fantastic. But Jim had a guy onside linebacker

581
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Speaker 2: named Michael Bowley, right, and this is a guy, kind

582
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Speaker 2: of a long, rangy dude, just kind of a dude, though,

583
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Speaker 2: And when Zim had him Bullie two interceptions, seven passes, defense,

584
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Speaker 2: four forced fumbles, three sacks, one hundred and ten tackles,

585
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: seven quarterback hits. Sim goes to Cincinnati, does the same

586
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: thing with guys like Carlos Dunlap, does the same thing

587
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: with guys like Geno Atkins and Vontes Berfect. You know,

588
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: he does the same thing with Anthony Barr. Sim will

589
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: find a special talent. He sees things in guys that

590
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Speaker 2: other people may not see. We all see it in Micah,

591
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Speaker 2: but he might be able to do something with Mikeah

592
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: Parsons that we have not seen before. So again we

593
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Speaker 2: all know this is a one year audition for that

594
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: coaching staff right here. They have got to get to

595
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs and make a deep run. But I think

596
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Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer paired with Micaeh Parsons and this is no

597
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: shot at dan Quinn because he's fabulous at making people

598
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: into stars and putting people in position to succeed. That

599
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: could be an interesting marriage. Either it's going to be

600
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Speaker 2: highly successful, like I did say with Michael Bowley, or

601
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Speaker 2: it could be a nuclear disaster because dan Quinn is

602
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: a very player friendly guy and Mike Zimmer. Guys love

603
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: playing for him. But he's one of those old Bill

604
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Parcells type of dudes who will tell you about yourself

605
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: in ways that you don't want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Parsons is disciplined enough in terms of

607
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: doing what the coaches want him to do to play

608
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: in that sort of defense. Well, to me, he has

609
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of Lawrence Taylor to him talent wise,

610
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes he's just doing his own thing. But it

611
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: works quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

613
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Speaker 2: I mean again, I think he will because again, Zimmer

614
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: has shown historically to make guys better. Now he's tough

615
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: and it wears on guys. But I mean You'll find

616
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: most superstar athletes, especially defensive players, they want to be

617
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: coached hard. They may not like the guy, but they

618
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: want to be coach hard if they're seeing the results.

619
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Speaker 2: And that's going to be the big thing with the

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Speaker 2: Das Cowboys the season.

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Speaker 1: Nick, let's go to you next with a pick. I

622
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Speaker 1: want to get through as much as we can before

623
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Speaker 1: we get Ian in on this show.

624
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Speaker 3: All right, we brought this up earlier, but Anthony Richardson

625
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: goes down with a shoulder injury after the first month

626
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: of this season and completely fades from the consciousness of football.

627
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: Fast forward to where we are now. He just completed

628
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: mandatory mini camp and he did pretty well. He tried

629
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Speaker 3: to sit out because of fatigue. But this guy is

630
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: on track and he's on his way back. So are

631
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: we worried about his shoulder or are we just geared

632
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: up for year two in which hopefully he makes it

633
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Speaker 3: through a full season.

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Speaker 1: I am worried. Let's actually listen to Anthony Richardson and

635
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: see what his reaction was that this was in June

636
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, when he was not full go

637
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Speaker 1: at the mini camp practice.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, nothing to worry about, you know. Dealt

639
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: with this before. You know, normally I just ice up

640
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 8: and just go back at it again. But you know,

641
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 8: they saying there's no need to try to rest out

642
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 8: there for the last day. You know, when we got

643
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Speaker 8: the season coming up, so I got six weeks to

644
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 8: you know, keep try to send and keep throwing and

645
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 8: just keep him off.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned. Aren't you make it through the

647
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: end of Benny Camp. You just don't know at this

648
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: time of year.

649
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: But see, he's reckless, and let's also not you know,

650
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Speaker 2: the way the style he played with reckless. Let's also

651
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: not forget when it comes to college players, they end

652
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Speaker 2: their seasons and then they go straight to training. Like

653
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Speaker 2: the hardest guys ever work is coming out of their

654
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Speaker 2: college years into their rookie year. They have no breather.

655
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Speaker 2: They've got no time for their body to kind of recover.

656
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what happened with him and Nick. I'm coming

657
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Speaker 2: back to you because I know you live in the

658
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Speaker 2: Cleveland area. I'm more worried about Deshaun watson shoulder than

659
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Speaker 2: I am and Richardson's shoulder, just because the way the

660
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Speaker 2: surgery that he had, the way that they've limited him,

661
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Speaker 2: because This seems like much more of a structural issue

662
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Speaker 2: than it does with Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not ofesome that you see a quarterback get,

664
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Speaker 3: you know, suffer a glenoid fracture and then just come

665
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Speaker 3: back perfectly fine. And the Browns kind of were a

666
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Speaker 3: little tight lipped two degree on Watson and didn't show

667
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Speaker 3: a lot of footage you know, on social media that

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Speaker 3: type of thing.

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Speaker 5: But again it is mini camp.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: And the thing with that situation is the Browns are

672
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Speaker 3: experiencing dajevo once again their entire season. You know, hinges

673
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Speaker 3: on whether Deshaun Watson could play well and if he

674
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Speaker 3: could be healthy enough to play. You know, they got

675
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Speaker 3: they pulled a rabbit out of a hat last year

676
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Speaker 3: with Joe Flacco. That guy in that situation is not

677
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Speaker 3: going to replicate itself in another year, so you need

678
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Speaker 3: him to play well. So yeah, I would actually be

679
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Speaker 3: more worried because I think more rides on Deshaun Watson

680
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Speaker 3: on Anthony Richardson. But between the two quarterbacks, the higher

681
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Speaker 3: ceiling in my opinion right now is Anthony richards Get

682
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Speaker 3: wait to watch him play, Like I now, I thought

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Speaker 3: he was one of the sloppier quarterbacks in that class,

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Speaker 3: because you know, he just his mechanics were a little sloppy.

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Speaker 5: He's a little lazy with that.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't fine tuned, and he'd missed some throws. He

687
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Speaker 3: even did the combine. But my god, man, watching Shane

688
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Speaker 3: stike and work with him just for a month, you

689
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Speaker 3: could already see the possibilities there. You could see what

690
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Speaker 3: could be ahead for him, and you just it just

691
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Speaker 3: left you wanting more because I mean, Jane Stikeen, that's

692
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Speaker 3: one of the coaches that we really didn't spend too

693
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Speaker 3: much time talking about at the end of the season

694
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Speaker 3: for the job that he did because we were paying

695
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Speaker 3: attention to teams like the Texans. But I mean, he

696
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Speaker 3: did a fantastic job in his first season and as

697
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Speaker 3: a head coach, and that was with Gardner Minshew. Imagine

698
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Speaker 3: what he could do with a fully healthy Anthony Richardson.

699
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Speaker 3: So I cannot wait to watch him play, and I'm

700
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Speaker 3: just keeping my figures crossed that he stays healthy.

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Speaker 1: He has such a weird come not a weird and

702
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Speaker 1: intriguing skill set. He just and I went back this

703
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Speaker 1: offseason and watched every every throw he had, not that

704
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Speaker 1: there were that many. It was it was four games,

705
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Speaker 1: It was really two and a half, two games and

706
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Speaker 1: then two half games. And he has incredible pocket presence

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Speaker 1: for a rookie, Like he moves like like in a

708
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Speaker 1: way like like Brady and Rivers move just like making

709
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Speaker 1: the little subtle adjustments and knowing like you can't teach that.

710
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Speaker 1: And he makes really good decisions I thought, for the

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Speaker 1: most part in terms of where he throws it, and

712
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Speaker 1: he seems to get through his reads pretty quick. But

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Speaker 1: he's just not accurate. And he was and he was.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't He wasn't preventing him from being effective, but

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Speaker 1: he still wasn't accurate for the cults either. So he's

716
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Speaker 1: like got all these really next level mature traits and oh,

717
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Speaker 1: by the way, he's built like Cam Newtoton and can

718
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Speaker 1: run like that. So it's like that is such a

719
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Speaker 1: crazy combination that all he's got to do is get

720
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Speaker 1: the accuracy to be somewhere in the Josh Allen range

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Speaker 1: and that'll be more than good enough.

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Speaker 2: That's a great comparison because remember Josh Allen didn't have

723
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Speaker 2: you know, and Anthony Richards, you got a less of

724
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Speaker 2: a body of work as a starting quarterback than Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen had, and we saw the improvement Josh Allen had

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Speaker 2: in the accuracy department.

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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson could be right there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to move on to a story that

729
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Speaker 1: surprised me a little bit this last month, not Tua

730
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Speaker 1: being unsigned. And I want to get your perspective on this, Steve,

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Speaker 1: because you've spent a lot of time with Tua and

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Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. But Tyreek Hill talking a little

733
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Speaker 1: bit about how he wants new money and at this

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Speaker 1: becoming a public thing. You mentioned that about Jefferson. We

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Speaker 1: do have a quote here from Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 4: Very you know, proud of those guys.

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Speaker 9: You're happy for obviously my teammate Wallall, you know, getting

738
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Speaker 9: getting his new deal.

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Speaker 4: So for guys, I mean that's great.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm thirty years old, you know, also looking

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Speaker 9: for a new deal, so very excited to see where

742
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Speaker 9: you know I fit in to that category.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he's the receiver and maybe we'll talk about

744
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Speaker 1: it with the end two that I could see him

745
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Speaker 1: holding out. You know, this is a tricky situation for Miami,

746
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Speaker 1: like can you pay these both of these guys? Tyree

747
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Speaker 1: Hills getting up there in years. I mean, he's thirty,

748
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Speaker 1: but he's still one of the most dangerous players. I

749
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Speaker 1: get it. But he also has multiple years left on

750
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Speaker 1: his contract. So do you want to be giving new

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Speaker 1: money to a guy that's like under contract or you know,

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Speaker 1: do you want him to maybe be a little unhappy and.

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Speaker 2: Well, the honestly, you can't afford it because they're gonna

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Speaker 2: pay to him. Okay, So but let's move on from that.

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Speaker 2: Remember they paid they you know, the whole Bradley Chubb.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to pay two at the level of like,

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Speaker 1: it's got.

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Speaker 4: To be up there?

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's got to be up there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for nothing else agents aren't taking you know,

761
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Speaker 2: hometown deals and trying to convince other quarterbacks to do it. Right,

762
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Speaker 2: his number is going to be there. But maybe there's

763
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Speaker 2: an out after two years that both of them agree on.

764
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Speaker 2: Maybe there's the structure of it allows it in the

765
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Speaker 2: way as to where he gets a bunch of money

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Speaker 2: up front, but then in two or three years they

767
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Speaker 2: can get out without taking a big type of pit.

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Speaker 2: But you know, maybe you don't pay Tyreek Hill this year,

769
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Speaker 2: but you sweeten it up next year. You have to

770
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Speaker 2: see where things go. You've got Jalen Phillips, You've got

771
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Speaker 2: some player if he saw him lose, a guy like

772
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Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, because you know they've got to pay. They're

773
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Speaker 2: gonna have to retool their offensive line, you know a

774
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Speaker 2: little bit more Causetron Armstead.

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Speaker 1: You know he can't there O line is problematic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so there are things are going to

777
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Speaker 4: have to do.

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Speaker 2: But you can see the way some of their contracts

779
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Speaker 2: are set up with other players where they're they can

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Speaker 2: probably get Tyreek killed done because okay, can we talked

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Speaker 2: about his age. Nobody wants to face Tyreek Hill except

782
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Speaker 2: for well and now he's in uh you know he

783
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: was with the Chiefs, now he's with the Titans. The

784
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Speaker 2: dB who was jerious like, he's the only one who's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I have no fear of Tyre kill.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned it earlier, Jalen wadd I'll signed a

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Speaker 1: new contract. It was one of those that was the

788
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Speaker 1: third high new money. But if you really look at

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Speaker 1: the full contract, because it was attacking years on, it's

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Speaker 1: really five for one o eight. You know, so I

791
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Speaker 1: do look at it that way. It gets spun a

792
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Speaker 1: little bit, but still a great, A great deal for

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Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle. Are you as confident in weish? I guess

794
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Speaker 1: as about the too A thing because I don't know, man, Okay, okay,

795
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Speaker 1: he's the too A whisperer here.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't like any of this with the dolphins, just

798
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Speaker 3: because Greg, think about it. Where did your kids when

799
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Speaker 3: they were growing up keep their toys, you know, in

800
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Speaker 3: one spare room or in an extra space in your house? Right?

801
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: No, they got floor everywhere, yes, okay.

802
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: And eventually they got new toys and you had to

803
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Speaker 3: get rid of the old toys. You can't have too

804
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Speaker 3: many toys with these dolphins, like and I agree Steve,

805
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: nobody wants to face Tyreek and that's the move right

806
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: now for the next year or two. But if he's

807
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: got multiple years left in this deal and he still

808
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: wants a new deal, he's thirty years old.

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Speaker 9: I know.

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00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Receivers always want new deals, even right after they get paid.

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Speaker 3: They want new deals because the market keeps going up.

812
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: But eventually you got to accept it. Look, we got

813
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: to get rid of the old toys. These are these

814
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: are gonna become hand me downs, donate these. We gotta

815
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Speaker 3: let them wall You know it's gonna it's gonna be

816
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: unfortunate for them, But I think that's the issue, especially

817
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: if you paid too and I you know, I agree

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Speaker 3: with you, Steve, He's gonna get paid. I think it's

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Speaker 3: kind of a lot like the Trevor Lawrence situation. Yeah,

820
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Speaker 3: he led the league in passing yards last year, but

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Speaker 3: if you asked the average Dolphins fan right now, I

822
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: don't think that they'd feel one hundred percent confident into

823
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Speaker 3: it as the future quarterback unless we see it done

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Speaker 3: again this year.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's why part of why we haven't

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Speaker 5: seen it done yet.

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Speaker 4: M all right, two and on, the two and on,

828
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be all over it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been told that we have Ian Rappaport on

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Speaker 1: the line. This guy is a big deal. He's the

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Speaker 1: NFL network insider. I have I have a request for you, Nick,

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Speaker 1: Can you hang out with us and return for the

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Speaker 1: final segment of the show. Ian actually has something in

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Speaker 1: his contract that he won't be on air with any

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Speaker 1: one of your you know, physical statures. I don't mind, man,

836
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Speaker 1: I'm the smallest guy at the company. But but that's

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Speaker 1: you know what's happening.

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Speaker 5: Hey, man, it's Okay, I can go sit down. Then

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Speaker 5: it'll make everybody else feel better.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a quick break and we'll have

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Speaker 1: come on and then we'll wrap the show with Nick

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Speaker 1: in a little bit. Welcome back to NFL Daily. I'm

843
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Speaker 1: excited to welcome in Ian Rapport. This is going to

844
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Speaker 1: be part of our show. If we ever wish is

845
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Speaker 1: granted every week, it's not always going to be you, Ian,

846
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Speaker 1: It'll be an insider every week to give us the

847
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: low down. You are NFL Media's foremost insider. Don't tell

848
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Speaker 1: that to Garret Folo and Tom Pellisero. It's good to

849
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Speaker 1: have you, San.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate you taking time away from tennis watching to

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Speaker 10: join me all in on Taylor, Fritz on Navarro loss.

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Speaker 4: That kind of sucks.

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Speaker 10: It's been very fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're breaking that news to me. Yeah, it

855
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: really shows how much I love football and was excited

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Speaker 1: to launch this show this week. That I am basically

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Speaker 1: missing the second week of Wimbledon other than like the

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Speaker 1: early morning and stuff. It hurts, but Zverev is out

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Speaker 1: and that is like almost like winning the championship every tournament.

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Speaker 1: When he loses, I celebrate and I'm hoping alcohim.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk like a little holdout. Steve had

863
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Speaker 1: to go running. Look, there's a lot going on at

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Speaker 1: the building today. He is hosting NFL Insiders all week,

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Speaker 1: so you guys should check that out and Ian will

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Speaker 1: be on that as well. You're always on it. I

867
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: want to talk hold outs down. We've talked a little

868
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: bit already on this show about Tua and Tyreek, but

869
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw a bunch of names at you

870
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: and you can either rank them or just tell me

871
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: who you think is most likely to actually hold out

872
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: once we get to training camp, and tell me if

873
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting anyone. I'll throw Tua, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb

874
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: who we have not hit, and I'd like to Alvin Kamara,

875
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk. Let's throw in Hassan Reddick still has not

876
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: really showed up for the Jets, Amari Cooper, and Jamar Chase.

877
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: That's where I kind of leave the list there.

878
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 10: Okay, We'll go to some of the players who did

879
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 10: not show up at Minichamp, and these do not always correlate.

880
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 10: It's not like a player missus Mini Caamp and then

881
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 10: you know that he is going to hold out because

882
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 10: we have seen very few actual real holdouts. So a

883
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 10: couple last year, you know, obviously it was the Zach Martin,

884
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 10: you know, that was one. It was the Bosha that

885
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 10: was another. We don't see a lot of them. But

886
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 10: I think one thing players are sort of realizing is

887
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 10: if you really want to get paid, if you really

888
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 10: want to use the leverage you have, staying away with

889
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 10: holding services certainly a way to do it. I would

890
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 10: say Cde Lamb and Brandon Ayuk are two that are

891
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 10: at least possibilities. And you know, look we know this

892
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 10: because they were not at miniicamp. I mean, Ceedee Lamb

893
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 10: is obviously very serious and it seemed like there's been

894
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 10: too much headway there. I think that's another one to watch.

895
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 10: Jamar Chase, I know it's very serious. I know wants

896
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 10: to make let's just say, one penny more than justin Jefferson.

897
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 10: He did decide to show up at Midikip, which seems

898
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 10: to mean potentially that he would maybe show up at

899
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 10: training camp. Now is he going to do anything?

900
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 5: I don't know.

901
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 4: So a lot of time.

902
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 10: The difference here is just are you physically present or not?

903
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 10: Because you can hold in which at the same effect

904
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 10: as holding out, you just don't get fined as much,

905
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 10: which is why it's something that has been obviously pretty

906
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 10: attractive to players.

907
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: So I do want to pat myself on the back

908
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: here because no one else is going to do it

909
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: for me. Ian, I think I created You're sitting there

910
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: in a room. Well that's true. Yeah, Steve had to go.

911
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: I think I coined Holden. I really did. Really, I'm

912
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: I wanted like it's because it was a new CBA thing,

913
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and I started writing it on our website, and I

914
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: started saying it on the podcast, and we put in

915
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: some headlines, and I swear I hadn't seen it anywhere else,

916
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and now it's just a thing. So I've contributed very

917
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: very little to the football community over the years, but

918
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: I think I contributed Holden. I feel like you did.

919
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't remember seeing anyone else besides you

920
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 10: do it, nor did I really pay even attention until

921
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 10: you know saying it. I feel like I don't know

922
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 10: if I don't think I created it, but I feel

923
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 10: like I helped popularize officially official, like when you report

924
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 10: a deal and then it becomes announced. So I would

925
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 10: give myself kudos for that one. Now there's other nonsense

926
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 10: that I'm sure I've contributed to the NFL lexicon. Scoop

927
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 10: Town I feel like was one of my original words,

928
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 10: which some people use to describe our little world. But yeah,

929
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 10: your contribution is noted as well.

930
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: Thank you.

931
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: This is a tough combination. I think Ian Me and

932
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Speaker 1: you were just like going to be so obnoxious as

933
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: a combination that I don't know what that's going to do.

934
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the listeners will love it, maybe they will

935
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: hate it. A son reddick, though, is a weird one

936
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: to me?

937
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 10: Way to find out?

938
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to actually go back

939
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: to CD quickly because like what are the Cowboys doing

940
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: with DAK and CD? Because like, why why are they

941
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: the team that keeps waiting when it just seems like

942
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: they look at the Eagles, for instance, their divisions, like oh,

943
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: the smart teams get two years ahead of it, and

944
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: instead they're a year behind. Like why does that keep happening?

945
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that is true, and you know, look,

946
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 10: the Eagles are unbelievably proactive and a lot of times

947
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 10: it works, not all the time. Sometimes you extend your

948
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 10: own player and it, you know, kind of blows up.

949
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: In your face.

950
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 10: But these are the guys you should know well, right,

951
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 10: So when DeVante Smith gets twenty five million dollars and

952
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 10: all the other receivers, you know, jump him by a

953
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 10: little but still jump him, makes Egles seem like, well

954
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 10: they really are ahead of it. Now we'll see what

955
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 10: kind of year he ends up having, but certainly someone

956
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 10: who should get that kind of money, you know, I

957
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 10: think the Cowboys have spent a lot of years dealing

958
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 10: with dead money, dodging dead money, and I do think

959
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 10: they wanted to take this year to kind of get

960
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 10: their feet under him, getting better salary cap shape and

961
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 10: not you know, essentially over leverage themselves. Now that can

962
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 10: be good, But what I think has happened is they've

963
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 10: seen the market climb as high as possible. I mean,

964
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 10: the quarterback market for sure climb when Trevor Lawrence got

965
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 10: fifty five. The receiver market sure climbed when Justin Jefferson

966
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 10: got was it thirty four?

967
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 7: Right?

968
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 10: That he ended up getting broke that deal, I should

969
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 10: remember it. But anyway, so I do think the Cowboys

970
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 10: would like to pay ceedee Lamb. That Dak Prescott one

971
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 10: is interesting because up until recently, there's been almost no

972
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 10: movement there, leading me to think, not reporting, but just

973
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 10: think that he might actually play it out. And then

974
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 10: Dak talked at his camp and said, there's been conversations.

975
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 5: Back and forth.

976
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 10: This is the first time I think we've heard that

977
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 10: there may be have been contract conversation. So we'll keep

978
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 10: an eye on that one. But basically, what they've done

979
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 10: is let the market develop and then they're gonna end

980
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 10: up paying a little higher than they probably otherwise might have.

981
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Or the way you're talking about it to me, like,

982
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: if I hear that as a Cowboys fan, I worry

983
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: because that sounds like a potential reset year if things

984
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: just don't go well, Like we don't know how this

985
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: season's going to go. Maybe it's going to go great

986
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: and they're going to want to keep everything together. But

987
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: if you know, the Mike Zimmer experience doesn't go well

988
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: and you're not using all the resources you can.

989
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 10: Gold on, start start at the top, Start at Mike McCarthy. Yeah,

990
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 10: I mean, now, of all the decisions that helped color

991
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 10: the Cowboys season, not extending Mike McCarthy, having a playout

992
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 10: on a lame duck year, you know, certainly affects it

993
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 10: as much as anything, and so you know, in any

994
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 10: other situation, you would say, obviously you're going to extend

995
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 10: the coach, Obviously you're going to extend the starting quarterback.

996
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 10: Move on from there. They haven't yet done either, and

997
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 10: I would say both would seem a little crazy taken

998
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 10: out of the context. But with I mean, they really

999
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 10: are setting up like a if it doesn't work this year,

1000
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 10: at least with McCarthy, it doesn't work this year, we'll

1001
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 10: just move on. Now, moving on from Dak is much much,

1002
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 10: much harder, because you could say whatever you want about

1003
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 10: the MVP candidate and someone who's stature as good as anyone,

1004
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 10: and son who's probably as underappreciated a quarterback as there

1005
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 10: is in the NFL. But if the Cowboys let him

1006
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 10: go to free agency, who are you going to replace

1007
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 10: him with?

1008
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing, And there are no answers right

1009
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: They won't find an answer better than DAK. I think

1010
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: it's crazy, but I also think they just look like

1011
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: an indecisive team. And I love it when we get

1012
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: You know, Ian's a reporter, he's a reporter's reporter, he's

1013
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: our insider. But I do love when we can get

1014
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of analysis, a little bit of opinion

1015
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: from Ian here on NFL Daily. I guess I'll rap

1016
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: with this on Red because this seems so weird. Did

1017
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: the Jets mess this up by trading for a guy

1018
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: who like wasn't happy to be there? Like I can't

1019
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: remember ever a guy getting traded for in an off

1020
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: season and not showing up. And you could be quick

1021
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: on this. I know you got to go get back

1022
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: to the insider, but it's like, what is happening here?

1023
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 10: I don't remember a similar I'm sure there have been

1024
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 10: some I don't remember similar situation.

1025
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: Did they screw it up?

1026
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 10: I don't think so, because honestly, if I got didn't

1027
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 10: show up for mini camp, I mean sure, we spent

1028
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 10: a lot of time talking about There was a reporter

1029
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 10: whose name I totally forget, who one time said to me,

1030
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 10: this world will be better if we ignore everything that

1031
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 10: we report from May till training camp starts. You remember

1032
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 10: who that was? No, never been anyone.

1033
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: Oh it was you.

1034
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I didn't know I was a reporter.

1035
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I would have thought that that was me. Something that smart. Yeah,

1036
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: you're right, it would be better not much that happens

1037
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: before then, other than like actual transactions and injuries and

1038
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that, other than actual transactions.

1039
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 10: But if we get through training to training camp and

1040
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 10: he hasn't signed, then it's a thing. I do not

1041
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 10: yet think that it's a thing.

1042
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: I love that Ian is clocking and writing down things

1043
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: I said from like years ago and using it as

1044
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: gospel to give back to me in a live setting.

1045
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: That makes me feel special.

1046
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 10: Different right here.

1047
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Ian, thank you so much. We hope to have you on,

1048
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the build up of the season and

1049
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: hopefully in the season. I know you're a busy man.

1050
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time.

1051
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 10: All right, thank you for having me.

1052
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: Thanks Ian. Back on NFL Daily. We've got people coming,

1053
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: people going. Steve Weisch, as I said, is out the door.

1054
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: But Nick shook his back to wrap up the show

1055
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: with me, and I gotta say, Nick, we didn't get

1056
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: to everything on the news rundown, and so I'm gonna

1057
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: try to get to everything now and good luck. It's

1058
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: like a long list and you can feel free to

1059
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: jump in when you can or ask you But basically,

1060
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: everything that happened in the NFL for the last six

1061
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: weeks or so that we did not hit. At the

1062
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: top of the show, Let's let's play some NFL films music.

1063
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: We have this huge library and it just feels like

1064
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: we got to start just taking full advantage of it.

1065
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: It's free and it's amazing. Let's go Randy, Well, yeah,

1066
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: this is my favorite one I mentioned Juwan Jennon's got

1067
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: that contract, George Kittle, Jimmy Ward of the forty nine

1068
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: ers coming off core muscle surgeries. That was kind of

1069
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: like sneaky big news out there. Darren Waller retired and

1070
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: also released one of the most regrettable music videos I've

1071
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: ever seen, Shook.

1072
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 5: It was bad.

1073
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: It was bad.

1074
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: It was really bad.

1075
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 5: Don't watch it. Just just move on with your life.

1076
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: You never saw it. Maybe do watch it, but at

1077
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: least a skip to the really crazy part, which is

1078
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: like the last minute and a half with the Kelsey

1079
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: Plumb lookalike Falcons. They only got to find a fifth

1080
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: round pick for tampering with Kirk Cousins. Remember when we

1081
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: thought that that was gonna be a really big deal.

1082
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: Was not a big deal. The Jaguars finally got a

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00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: stadium deal done, but they're not going to play in

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00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: Jacksonville in twenty twenty seven. That's on my radar as

1085
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: like a sneaky, crazy story that's going to be coming up.

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00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears are your hard knocks team this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for way more Eberflus in my life. We

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00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: also found out the n season hard knocks team is

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00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: actually four teams. It is the AFC North. What anything

1090
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Speaker 1: about the division getting a whole hard knocks treatment.

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Speaker 3: Nothing's harder than rough and tumble AFC North football, let's go.

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Speaker 1: I also think it was hard to do in season

1093
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: hard knocks and make it great with one team, so

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00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: you get more good stuff with four teams. Mike Tomlins

1095
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: began the AFC North sign an extension through twenty twenty seven.

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00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: His cornerback Cam Sutton got suspended eight games. That was

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Speaker 1: just this week. They knew he would be suspended when

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00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: they signed him for an offseason domestic assault violation. Aaron

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00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: Rodgers skipped Mini camp I thought that was kind of

1100
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: a nothing burger, but also was weird. Kalayis Campbell signed

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00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. That was fun. In terms of first

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Speaker 1: team reps news, All Russell Wilson in Denver, All Sam

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00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Darnold in Minnesota, Jalen Hurts had a weird comment or

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00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: not a weird comment, but ninety five percent of the

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00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: Eagles off news, so this is really Kellen Moore's offense.

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00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: That's something to know about one guy. We didn't mention

1107
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: about hold ups with Miean Marshawn Lattimore because he showed up,

1108
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: so that is not going to be an issue. You're Browns.

1109
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: Shookie signed Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry to contract extensions,

1110
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Speaker 1: and now.

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00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 3: They got to sign on Mario Cooper to an extension

1112
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: because he held out of many camps.

1113
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Speaker 5: But that'll happened before long.

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Speaker 1: It was, yeah, I think that will happen. Corey Linsley,

1115
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: the Chargers center, retired. That sneaky, like huge news for

1116
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: them just because he was such a good player. T

1117
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: Higgins signed his franchise tag. Zach Martin said he could

1118
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: retire after the season. Thought that was interesting. The Raiders

1119
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: gave Max Crosby a raise just because you never see this,

1120
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: but he just gave him a raise for this year

1121
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: just because he's so good. Didn't add any years on,

1122
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: just like they love him.

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Speaker 3: And then he spent that money on a new field

1124
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: at Eastern Michigan as a mac guy. Thank you Max

1125
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Speaker 3: Crosby for reinvesting in the Mid American conofferate.

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Speaker 1: Remindre Stevenson got an extension. Naje Harris is not happy,

1127
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: is not talking, is not practicing because they didn't give

1128
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: him a fifth year option or he wants a new contract.

1129
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Something's going on there. Marshawn Lynch and Gavin Newsom have

1130
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: a podcast, What a UFL Legend. Jake Bates to hit

1131
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: back to back sixty four yarders was signed by the Lions.

1132
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: I love this and I love that we end our

1133
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: news rundown that way.

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00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: Hey man, you can't buy big legs, so you got

1135
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 5: to go sign them, which is kind of like buying them.

1136
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: But not really. I do love I mean, if you

1137
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: hit back to back sixty four yard as it feels

1138
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: the same, you should absolutely get signed. And yeah, Starter news.

1139
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: A couple of last things. Just Jade Daniels, they're not

1140
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: they're not crowning them quite yet. And Daniel Jones maybe

1141
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: isn't going to be quite ready for training camp, but

1142
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: something I'm going to keep an eye on. That's it

1143
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: for the news portion of this show. But Shook yesterday

1144
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I introduced just the concept of an after dinner mint,

1145
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: just something nice to end the show on. And I

1146
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: thought about something me and you talked about. We've known

1147
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: each other a long time, ten years now. I actually

1148
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: hired you back in the day. And for people that

1149
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: don't know that, you can't just tell him this show

1150
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: that Chuck as just a great guy, a great friend.

1151
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: And we've gone through some things this offseason, some ups

1152
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: and some downs. And you know, you told me a

1153
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: great story about your grandfather, I know is an important

1154
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: person in your life. It really stuck with me. It

1155
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. I thought, you know what

1156
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: if you don't mind to hear it here on the podcast.

1157
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, whenever life gives you, you know, some

1158
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 5: trials and tribulations. You know this. I knew a man

1159
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 5: I'm named after him, actually who you know?

1160
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: He was a successful businessman, the patriarch of a family,

1161
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: and had a stroke three years before I was born,

1162
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: completely paralyzed on the right side of his body and

1163
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: found a way to live another twenty five years and

1164
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: never lost his sunny optimism. And I was fortunate to

1165
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: spend a year living with him my freshman year of college.

1166
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: I commuted.

1167
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: We shared an apartment and I will forever treasure those

1168
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: talks I had with him, and one of the biggest

1169
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: points he always made to me as I went through

1170
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: some difficulties of just being an eighteen nineteen year old

1171
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: kid trying to find your way is look, life is

1172
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: full of ups and downs. If I always looked at

1173
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: him and thought, if he can live another quarter of

1174
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: a century with half of his by not being able

1175
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: to be used. He lost his business, he lost pretty

1176
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: much everything, He lost his wife to Alzheimer's, and yet

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00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: he was still so optimistic. And every time I would

1178
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: talk about that, he would just look at me and

1179
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: do the hand up and down, ups and downs, ups

1180
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: and downs. And he passed away, actually, Greg, a few

1181
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: days after you hired me back in twenty fourteen, right

1182
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: when I got to LA he passed away. And I

1183
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: still think about him to this day whenever things get tough,

1184
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: and I'd just like to share that message with everybody else.

1185
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: You know, life has its ups and downs, but when

1186
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: you're down, just knowing up is on the way. Yeah.

1187
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: It just stuck with me because you said, you know

1188
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: you're there in the room with him, and he obviously

1189
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: means so much to you and your family. He told

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 1: me all about him. It really sounds like a great

1191
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: man and leader of your family. But that he he

1192
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: just did that motion and he just said, like that's life,

1193
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: and it seems I think if I was younger and

1194
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: I heard that, I might even be a little cynical

1195
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: about it or like, oh, of course there's there's ups

1196
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: and downs. That doesn't mean anything to me. But I

1197
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: think as you get older, and I think you're wise

1198
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: beyond your years, shook like you realize there's you're never

1199
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: gonna get to this point where it's just like, oh,

1200
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm good there, And I think I think I thought

1201
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: that when I was younger, that it's like you're building

1202
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: towards something and then you get there and you're like,

1203
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm good, this is nice, like I'm here. And as

1204
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: you get older, I think, you know, your grandfather knew

1205
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: this better better than we do, but that nothing's ever

1206
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: gonna stay the same like that, like you got to

1207
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: first of all, appreciate when when it is going on,

1208
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: those ups, like be there, be present and like love

1209
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: the hell out of it and understand that like it's

1210
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: not gonna last. Not that like just that life's not

1211
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna last because that's obviously you know, part of it,

1212
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: but just that moment, that stretch of time, those couple

1213
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: of years, those couple of months, whatever, it's going to

1214
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: be like, that's not forever, and you're gonna really be

1215
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: hit by something. That's everyone. That's life, and life is

1216
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: about how you respond and can get through those really

1217
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: tough times, but it's also about how you enjoy it

1218
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: and appreciate those great times.

1219
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one thing I always remind myself and I

1220
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: had written on a posted note stuck to one of

1221
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: my computers back in the day, which was, you know,

1222
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: it might sound dark, but it's true, and you can

1223
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: see it both positive and negative. Nothing is forever. So

1224
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: when the things are good, enjoy them and embrace them

1225
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: and value them.

1226
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 5: Soak it all in. And when it's bad, just know

1227
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: this won't last forever.

1228
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: The Tao of Shook. I appreciate you, man, and appreciate

1229
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: everyone who reached out and appreciated and enjoyed and listened

1230
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: to the first episode. I know it's different, it's going

1231
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: to continue to be different, and we're figuring this thing

1232
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: out and I'm really excited about it.

1233
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: But I do.

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00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: Really love all the people who listen and are going

1235
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: through it too and knowing that it's it's a it's

1236
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: a tricky time, but it's also an exciting time. And

1237
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: I hear you out there, and it's really cool that

1238
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: so many of you are going to be along for

1239
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: this ride, and that includes you. A Shuk gonna be

1240
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: a big part of the show. And you know, you've

1241
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: been on Sunday nights and you will continue to be,

1242
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: but you've you've deserved kind of an upgrade for a while,

1243
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, we're we're gonna be counting on you, Shuck,

1244
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to have you here on the second show,

1245
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: was glad to have Steve Weish here as well, who

1246
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: will be a big part of the show, before he

1247
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: ran off to go host Insiders. Ian Rapport also helping

1248
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: us out with the holdout News. Excited for tomorrow, we

1249
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: got mina chimes. We're gonna look ahead to the AFC

1250
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: and preview their camps. Till then, I'm Greg Rosenthal. See

1251
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: you next time.