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Speaker 1: it at postgame last week. That is not spot but

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Speaker 1: least two of those games at home. Yeah, of Miami,

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Speaker 1: and there Billy Zabbie was seventeen to twenty one for

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Speaker 1: It's just look, it's got to be better all the

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Speaker 1: having some answers, playing much better football, playing complimentary football.

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Speaker 1: The offense, defense, special teams, you gotta get it roll.

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Speaker 1: They're all making plays where ones not having to cover

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