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Speaker 1: welcome back fright night on Coast to Coast Joshua P.

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Speaker 1: Warren with us with his many experiments. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: has anything ever gone wrong? Like our old friend Morgus

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Speaker 1: would do whatever he would do, josh, something would happen

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Speaker 1: with your experiments. Well, you know, since we're talking about

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Speaker 1: topas tonight, I guess I should say that we actually

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Speaker 1: created a topa one time that was very scary and

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Speaker 1: it went a bit beyond what was required. And I honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm always hesitant to talk about this because I

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Speaker 1: think that whoever owns that house. UM has no idea

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Speaker 1: why that this thing is running around that house. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I may as well come fully clean here, um

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Speaker 1: and and tell you exactly what we did. Um. You

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Speaker 1: know this, this idea of of creating tulpas or enhancing

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Speaker 1: paranormal activity. Uh, it's a double edged sword because you

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Speaker 1: have people like myself who you know, I want to

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Speaker 1: experience the paranormal. That is what I am interested in.

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Speaker 1: This is what I do for a living. And the

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Speaker 1: easier it is for me to to see and experience

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Speaker 1: the paranormal than the more are interesting and exciting my

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Speaker 1: life and work is. On the other hand, UM, sometimes

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Speaker 1: I feel like the guys in Jurassic Park. Uh, just

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Speaker 1: because we can create a dinosaur, does that mean it's

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Speaker 1: a good idea and we should do it right? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and so you know, UM, right now, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I like about the types of popa's

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Speaker 1: that I'm experimenting with using this new method parasim atics

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Speaker 1: is that this is a very organic thing. But going

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Speaker 1: back to what we did for Warner Brothers, UM, I

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Speaker 1: wanna I want to tell you sort of the inside

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Speaker 1: story about that and and how frightening that that situation

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Speaker 1: actually became backfire. Well some would say yes. Um. You

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Speaker 1: see when when Warner Brothers contacted me, they had a

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Speaker 1: finished script for this movie about these college kids who

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Speaker 1: get together and they use some type of an experiment

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Speaker 1: to create a talpa, and the tulpa, of course, ends

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Speaker 1: up being a dark evil thing that starts attacking them all.

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Speaker 1: And so after they had the script, they contacted me

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Speaker 1: and they said, look, we're storytellers, we're not uh, paranormal

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Speaker 1: researchers or experiment or as. We have really no idea

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Speaker 1: how to make this look realistic, like what you would

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Speaker 1: use to make this plausible. But you seem like the

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Speaker 1: guy who would know. And I said yes. At that time,

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Speaker 1: my laboratory was located in a different building. It was

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Speaker 1: actually in the basement of a house. Now my laboratory

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Speaker 1: basement of the Asheville Masonic Temple in Asheville, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: which is a big, glorious four story building, and they're

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Speaker 1: all kinds of wonderful events there. And as a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, if anybody listening ever wants to do a

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Speaker 1: to get you hooked up with the Asheville Masonic Temple.

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Speaker 1: But that said, my museum and my laboratory used to

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Speaker 1: Shelly Wright, investigator Shelley Right, another great friend whom I've

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Speaker 1: had many adventures with. Uh. We're gonna hook her head

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Speaker 1: a little doll. Uh. It ended up being a teaky

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Speaker 1: like boom. We fried the whole circuit. After we'd run

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Speaker 1: So I paused, and I said Forest. And I looked

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Speaker 1: and I said, Forest, Now, Forest, in times past, I

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Speaker 1: Forest witnessed it. We would have occasions where we'd be

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Speaker 1: sudden we'd hear just this god awful commotion come from

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Speaker 1: know obviously that that we r into all this paranormal

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Speaker 1: a joke, right, No, no, no, this is not a joke.

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Speaker 1: Strange that I hosted for thirteen years. I now produce it,

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Speaker 1: but I've hosted You've You've been on Speaking of I

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Speaker 1: her own words right there in the studio. She said,

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Speaker 1: timing because I I at that time, I've gotten a new,

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Speaker 1: even better place to move my laboratory to. Uh, little

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Speaker 1: know what out of people on a regular basis. Now,

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Speaker 1: it never physically hurt anybody, but I never slept over there,

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Speaker 1: and there were times when Forest would wake up and

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Speaker 1: to wonder, George, as when you create these tulpas and

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Speaker 1: they seem to take on some kind of an external, objective,

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Speaker 1: independent existence, we have to ask ourselves. Are we literally

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Speaker 1: taking a piece of our own life and surrendering it

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Speaker 1: to this thing in an almost kind of alternative birthing process,

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Speaker 1: being steps into that mold we have created, and that

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Speaker 1: that means it could be something good, or it could

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Speaker 1: be something demonic or whatever, and we really don't know

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