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Speaker 1: their Happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. I'm actually personally pretty excited about today because

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Speaker 1: tonight I'm going to my first ever WBC World Baseball

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Speaker 1: Classic game down in Miami. I'm very excited about this,

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Speaker 1: going to go see Venezuela versus Italy. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I was when I bought these tickets. I was hoping

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Speaker 1: for two of the following three teams to be playing

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Speaker 1: missed out on the tickets for Team I thought I

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Speaker 1: being the one seed out of their pool put them

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Speaker 1: in the other bracket. You know, be careful gaming these things.

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Speaker 1: Obviously getting to both semi finals should have been the goal,

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Speaker 1: but hey, we all have logistical challenges here. But this

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Speaker 1: is something my son really wanted to do. And I thought, hey,

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Speaker 1: what a great excuse. He's on his spring break. He's

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Speaker 1: have a fun little bothering son. But I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I am ecstatic. I wanted one of the

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get Venezuela. I just the excitement in

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Speaker 1: baseball should be in South Florida. And we've a as

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Speaker 1: My frustration. It's just a series of horrendous owners, and

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Speaker 1: We saw it three years ago. Again, we see it now.

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Speaker 1: But I digress everything in Iran, and it's clear that

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Speaker 1: So the President heard this warning from the from the

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Speaker 1: But the warning, of course wasn't even hypothetical. It's been

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Speaker 1: It's been the central scenario in US war planning for decades.

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Speaker 1: Iran has always understood that they cannot defeat the United

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Speaker 1: But according to the Journal, the President believed that Iran

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Speaker 1: So to understand why this matters so much, it does

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Speaker 1: So in the late eighties, during the Iran Iraq War,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to sit here and have one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent empathy for them on this, because they essentially

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Speaker 1: wanted Israel in the United States to do their security

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Speaker 1: dirty work for them. They want to confront Iran, but

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Speaker 1: not on their terms. They'd rather see the air. Then.

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Speaker 1: They don't like how the US and Israel and I

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Speaker 1: understand that they may not like it, but they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that that have been encouraging this the most, particularly

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Speaker 1: the Saudis on this. They were very encouraging and now

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Speaker 1: they see, oh, this thing's so good. No it's not.

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Speaker 1: But we have a real world example of a massive

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Speaker 1: economy of a nuclear power collapsing in a matter of weeks.

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Speaker 1: If we're not Carol careful, it's Pakistan. Pakistan imports roughly

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent of its crude oil from Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 1: and the UEE, and guess how it comes through routes

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Speaker 1: connected to the Strait of Horn moves. If those routes

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Speaker 1: become unreliable, of which they are right now, Pakistan's fragile

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Speaker 1: economy feels the impact immediately. Fuel prices rise, food prices rise,

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Speaker 1: energy short shortens, energy shortage is worsened. So now you

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Speaker 1: have a war that was centered in the person Gulf,

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Speaker 1: affecting the economic stability of a nuclear armed country thousands

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Speaker 1: of miles away who is in the middle of its

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Speaker 1: own kinetic I don't know what you want to call this,

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Speaker 1: but essentially kinetic conflict with Afghanistan at the moment, but

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Speaker 1: the Taliban government there. Now you add Europe to the

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Speaker 1: equation because this was the huge below to freedom around

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Speaker 1: the world that happened over the last seventy two hours,

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Speaker 1: and that was the President's decision to lift temporary lift

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Speaker 1: oil sanctions on the Russians. I mean, just a disastrous

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Speaker 1: decision for freedom in Ukraine. Douse Higher oil prices benefit

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Speaker 1: Russia and its war machine. When global energy prices rise,

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Speaker 1: Russian oil revenue rises with them, and that means the

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Speaker 1: war in Iran is now indirectly strengthening Russia's financial position

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Speaker 1: in its war against Ukraine in a massive way. European

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Speaker 1: governments are already struggling to sustain the military and financial

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Speaker 1: support for Kiev, and now the Russians just got a

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Speaker 1: financial shot in the arm thanks to about President of

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Speaker 1: the United States. By the way, and a meeting with

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Speaker 1: the G seven. Apparently six countries were against this, one

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Speaker 1: was for it. So now we've got a conflict in

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Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf, reshaping strategic calculations all across the entire

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Speaker 1: European continent. We've got the potential, we've got We're in

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Speaker 1: the middle of what appears to be a growing military

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Speaker 1: crisis between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and now you've got Pakistan's

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Speaker 1: economy could collapse again. It's a nuclear power, right, and

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Speaker 1: the economic implications aren't going to stop there. The straight

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Speaker 1: of ORMUS crisis threatened something that American voters feel very quickly. Inflation,

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Speaker 1: energy prices ripple through the entire economy, transportation costs, manufacturing costs,

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Speaker 1: food costs, air travel, shipping. If oil prices remain elevated

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Speaker 1: for weeks or months, that pressure shows up everywhere, and

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Speaker 1: that creates a political challenge for Donald Trump. So even

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Speaker 1: if this conflict doesn't trigger a formal recession, it could

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Speaker 1: easily produce something voters experienced just as intensely, and something

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Speaker 1: they've been experiencing now ever since COVID. Rising prices and

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Speaker 1: economic uncertainty. You know, when you mess with the shipping lanes.

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Speaker 1: When you mess with the supply chain, when you mess

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Speaker 1: with the energy markets, the American consumer feels it quickly,

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Speaker 1: so which means that this war is not just a

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Speaker 1: foreign policy gamble, it is an economic gamble. Markets are

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Speaker 1: still one of the few checks that actually seem to

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Speaker 1: work on presidential decision making in American politics right now,

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Speaker 1: at least with this president. But here's the thing. Just

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Speaker 1: stopping declaring victory and stopping isn't necessarily going to get

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Speaker 1: Iran to stop screwing with the strait of Ormus. And

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Speaker 1: that's the problem he's got here. Now, there's one more

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Speaker 1: dimension to this story that I want to touch on,

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Speaker 1: and it's one that I've vacillated about whether to touch

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Speaker 1: on because it's clearly a manufactured story you try to

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Speaker 1: distract from what was questionable civilian decision making to launch

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Speaker 1: this war in the first place. Okay, over the last

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Speaker 1: seventy two hours, the chairman of the FEC, Brendan Carr,

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Speaker 1: has essentially declared regulatory war on the broadcast press. He

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Speaker 1: wants to eradicate freedom of the press completely, cars invoking

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Speaker 1: a long standing legal concept known as the public interest standard.

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Speaker 1: Broadcast stations operate on public airways. It's the affiliates that

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Speaker 1: technically operate on the broadcast airways, not the overall networks themselves.

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Speaker 1: And b S doesn't have the license. Its affiliates have

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Speaker 1: the license. Okay, so the law does require them to

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Speaker 1: quote serve the public interest. So what's the public interest?

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Speaker 1: Freedom of expression, freedom of the press. It's all in

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. I think it's pretty easy. We know

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Speaker 1: what public interest is. But Carr now is trying to

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Speaker 1: reinterpret that standard through a political lens. So on Saturday

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Speaker 1: he posts did that broadcasters running what he called quote

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Speaker 1: hoaxes and news distortions, what he labeled fake news, have

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Speaker 1: a great chance to quote correct course before their license

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Speaker 1: renewals come up. Interesting. Then, in a CBS interview, he

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Speaker 1: went further. He said broadcast licenses are not a property right,

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Speaker 1: they are a privilege. He said broadcasters have grown too

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Speaker 1: comfortable assuming the government cannot take those licenses away, and

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Speaker 1: he suggested that the FCC must enforce patriotic standards of

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Speaker 1: truth and wartime. Wow, patriotic standards. Look, we went through

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Speaker 1: this shit in World War Two and it you know,

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Speaker 1: it is one of the black marks on World War Two,

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Speaker 1: let's not pretend that this was a good thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to ask movie makers to to make

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Speaker 1: movies that, you know, show the Americans in a good

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Speaker 1: light and help explain how bad the Nazis are. I

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Speaker 1: think that that that's one thing, but it's another to

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Speaker 1: actually start censoring the news. There was no censoring of

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Speaker 1: the news, but that's what he wants to do here.

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Speaker 1: Patriotic standards of truth in wartime, this is putin bullshit.

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Speaker 1: This is Russian today, this is RT shit. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of Brendan Carr. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's not a dumb man, but he's really

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Speaker 1: acting like a political clown. And this is just you know,

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Speaker 1: some of these people that perform just for the audience

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Speaker 1: of one, and which is what this is, to performance

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Speaker 1: for an audience of one. There's no serious story here.

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Speaker 1: There shouldn't be. And if he actually attempts this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's so undermining the constitution that it will just get

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Speaker 1: killed in the courts. But it's normalizing this garbage that

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Speaker 1: we ought to be fighting. And that's why it's an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary statement. The chairman of the SEC is essentially saying

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Speaker 1: that a broadcasters air reporting that the administration considers false.

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Speaker 1: And remember what propaganda petes definition of what's false is,

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Speaker 1: it's stuff that he doesn't like. Doesn't make it false,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't like the tone of coverage. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: what an authoritarian regime does, not a democracy. But he's

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Speaker 1: threatening regulatory consequences. And here's the thing, Carr knows that

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Speaker 1: the corporate owners of these entities are spineless and effeckless fools.

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Speaker 1: And they're all rollover because they already have. Because legally,

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Speaker 1: car can't simply shut down a network. The FCC licenses

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Speaker 1: are individual stations, not networks, so revoking a license requires

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Speaker 1: a hearing, evidence and a vote by the full Commission.

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Speaker 1: But he does have a Republican majority in the FCCA,

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Speaker 1: and he can launch investigations, and the investigations themselves can

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Speaker 1: create pressure. Right, it's coercion, it's extortion essentially, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of government extortion. Corporate boards, we know this. They hate

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Speaker 1: regulatory fights, they hate uncertainty. And if a network's coverage

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Speaker 1: triggers FCC scrutiny, and by the way, the broadcast networks,

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Speaker 1: whatever's left of these Big four, these Big three and

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Speaker 1: a half news divisions. I don't know where to put

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Speaker 1: Fox here because their news divisions mostly out of their

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Speaker 1: cable outlet. They really don't air much stuff on their

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Speaker 1: national network. They do for big specials, but not often.

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Speaker 1: So mostly we're talking about ABCNBC and CBA. There are

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Speaker 1: shelves of their former selves. They they're barely doing. They're

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Speaker 1: doing like ten percent of the coverage that they did

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Speaker 1: even three or four years ago. This is really going

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Speaker 1: to put pressure. And it's clear what they're doing. This

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Speaker 1: Next Star Tegna merger that's taking place, that's going to

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Speaker 1: combine and create the largest owner of individual TV stations

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Speaker 1: in the country. He's and you know Next Star is

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Speaker 1: buying Tegna, and Next Star has been playing the right

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Speaker 1: wing foot see in been doing little performative virtue signaling

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Speaker 1: in order to get this quick regulatory approval. And we've

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Speaker 1: seen right, I mean, look the the you know, the biggest,

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Speaker 1: biggest mistake that was made was what Bob Eiger did

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Speaker 1: in settling the Stephanopolis lawsuit totally. What it did is

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Speaker 1: it made all three broadcast networks capitulators. It stained them permanently,

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Speaker 1: and this is why the rise of independent media is

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Speaker 1: become stronger and stronger. It's now a self fulfilling prophecy. Right.

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Speaker 1: The more Brending Carr manipulates the public and creates these

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Speaker 1: false right wing narratives, the more these broadcast networks capitulate,

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Speaker 1: and the more they do nothing, and they come across

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Speaker 1: as feckless fools. And it's unfortunate. There's some good journalists

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Speaker 1: there and the smart ones are leaving. You kind of

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Speaker 1: have to leave if you want to keep your integrity,

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Speaker 1: because it's clear the corporations aren't going to allow journalists

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Speaker 1: to keep their integrity here, and that's unfortunate. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, maybe we'd be better off to not have

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Speaker 1: corporate shareholder impact where the government regulatory process can impact

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Speaker 1: freedom of speech and freedom of the press. But it's

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Speaker 1: clear Brendan Carr is hoping to do that, to use

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Speaker 1: corporate extortion to essentially get propaganda on the airways, and

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Speaker 1: it aligns closely with proposals that were outlined in that's

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Speaker 1: so called Project twenty twenty five blueprint for government. The

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Speaker 1: idea is to reinterpret the phrase news distortion as a

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Speaker 1: failure of character qualification under the public interest standard, so

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Speaker 1: it's not censorship. It's what car and his supporters would argue,

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Speaker 1: it's regulation. Doubtful the legal theory would survive real serious

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Speaker 1: judiciary scrutiny. First Amendment creates an extremely high bar here.

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Speaker 1: But again, the investigation itself is the point. But I

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Speaker 1: have to imagine the reaction if Barack Obama has suggested

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Speaker 1: that Fox News needed to quote correct course on wartime

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Speaker 1: reporting or risk it's broadcast licenses the right wing pitchforks,

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Speaker 1: They'd already be stabbing people to death. The outrage would

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Speaker 1: have been deafening. The principle would have been obvious, and

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Speaker 1: I'd have been right there with them. Government officials cannot

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Speaker 1: threaten the press over coverage of war propaganda. Pete can

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Speaker 1: do everything he can here. He's making a fool of himself.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's also ugly what President Trump and

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Speaker 1: Haig Seth are doing to celebrate the destruction. There's no

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Speaker 1: celebration in destroying anything. It's a sad consequence of diploma

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Speaker 1: of a failure of diplomacy, and it may be Aron's

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Speaker 1: failure of a diplomacy, but it's tragic that this is happening.

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Speaker 1: It's not something to celebrate. To intersperse with football highlights

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Speaker 1: to drag professional athletes into this, it's sick and gross.

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Speaker 1: Pete hagg Seth should be so fired, so impeached. So

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Speaker 1: just absolutely this is he is an embarrassment to what

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Speaker 1: he's doing, and he is. I assume many uniform military

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Speaker 1: folks are just appalled at the behavior of propag and

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Speaker 1: a peep. So the government's narrative is being tested most

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Speaker 1: directly by one place on the map. The straight of

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Speaker 1: war moves this look. Yes, the president can complain that

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Speaker 1: the press isn't celebrating its military victory enough, but what

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Speaker 1: were your war aims? Your war aims have not come

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Speaker 1: to fruition yet. Iran has not capitulated. There is not

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Speaker 1: a new regime. And if anything, terrorist threats against Americans

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Speaker 1: are now up, not down. This was supposed to limit

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Speaker 1: the terrorism, Now it's expanding it. We had two attacks

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Speaker 1: over the last seventy two hours in this country. Want

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Speaker 1: at old Dominion, wanted a synagogue in Michigan. I don't

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Speaker 1: think our leaders have properly prepared Americans that this is

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Speaker 1: now something we all have to live with. Being a

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Speaker 1: Jewish American, it is not new to me to have

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Speaker 1: security in and around synagogues. We've been doing this for years.

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Speaker 1: We spend millions of dollars a year for security. This

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Speaker 1: very small group of people has to spend all this

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Speaker 1: money on our own diddo with those that practice Islam

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Speaker 1: in this country. The majority religions haven't had to do this,

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Speaker 1: but Jews and Muslims have had to do this, so

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Speaker 1: we know firsthand the impact of threats of terrorism. This

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Speaker 1: administration is not prepared the country for this, and I

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Speaker 1: do fear that this war has already essentially launched two

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Speaker 1: terrorist attacks in this country. This is the fallout, This

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Speaker 1: is the risk of doing this, and the President did

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Speaker 1: nothing to prepare the country for this, did nothing to

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Speaker 1: rally the country or prepare us for the consequences. We

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Speaker 1: all have to live with the consequences. We in a

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Speaker 1: free and independent press have to report on the actual

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Speaker 1: reality and what's happening here, and the fact that the

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Speaker 1: administration doesn't want the truth to come out should scare

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Speaker 1: the shit out of all of you. I apologize that

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Speaker 1: I've been a little four letter wordy, but I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get the FCC's attention right. I'm borrowing the old

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Speaker 1: seven words of George Carlin so we may say them all.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the f fort, but it's

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Speaker 1: this is look, I vacillated about how hard to come

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Speaker 1: at car because he's like taken stupid shots at me.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's some funny graphic rolling around that

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Speaker 1: like claimed that Trump purged me from NBC and Lester whole.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of amusing, but you know there

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Speaker 1: is some truthiness. Right. A lot of us felt we

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Speaker 1: couldn't practice independent journalism anymore and it was just useless

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Speaker 1: to stay if you want to do your job. And

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Speaker 1: that's a real decision that many a journalist is having

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Speaker 1: to make right now. But I believe in our constitution

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Speaker 1: and above all, because if it goes away, you know,

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Speaker 1: then it is the rules of the jungle. I don't

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Speaker 1: want the rules of the jungle. I like our constitution

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to fight to the death to support

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Speaker 1: it and defend it and explain it. So all of

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Speaker 1: you know all of the rights you really have here.

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Speaker 1: The good news is Brendan Carr's threats will go nowhere.

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Speaker 1: The courts will stop him. I know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: All the courts have been manipulated a little bit, not

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Speaker 1: that much. Not that much. Okay, the courts are definitely

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Speaker 1: more pro business than ever before. I'm not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: here and say that the corporate America has a more

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Speaker 1: friendly court system today than they did fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: But on the basics of our rights on speech, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is going to go This is going

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Speaker 1: to go well for him. But just the ability to

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Speaker 1: scare you, the ability to distract, and this is we

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I hesitated get involved because it the

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Speaker 1: fact is, they just want a distraction from what is

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable reality of this war. It's been a tactical military success,

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Speaker 1: but if you don't achieve the aims of the war,

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Speaker 1: what is the success? What have you gotten for your efforts?

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Speaker 1: And right now we are getting higher prices, we are

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Speaker 1: getting a more unstable glow, we are getting more threats

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Speaker 1: of terrorist attacks. The President owes the American publican explanation

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Speaker 1: why paying higher prices and being less safe is the

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Speaker 1: price to pay for this war? Trust me, I want

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Speaker 1: the Iranian regime gone. It has been a singular scourge

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Speaker 1: on free people that live in Israel in particular. But

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Speaker 1: it's been they've been They've been a scourge. The golf

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Speaker 1: has been trying to develop for years, and the Iranians

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Speaker 1: have tried to prevent that from happening. This is not

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Speaker 1: a good regime. And I shouldn't say the Iranians this regime,

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Speaker 1: just like I don't like when people say the Americans,

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Speaker 1: it's this administration. A new regime would absolutely be has

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Speaker 1: to be better for the world than this regime. But

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Speaker 1: there's costs, and this president did nothing to explain the costs,

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Speaker 1: and he apparently ignored civilian leadership, excuse me, military leadership

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Speaker 1: when they told him the honest truth about how hard

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Speaker 1: victory was actually going to be. All right, let's stick

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Speaker 1: a commercial break in there on that upbeat note. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of my sponsors, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: supporting independent journalism. As we've now learned, we know the

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Speaker 1: broadcast networks, their corporate parents will not stand up to

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Speaker 1: this administration. They should on behalf of their journalists. I

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Speaker 1: know my colleagues are begging for these wimpy network corporate

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Speaker 1: spun off MSNBC, and we already saw what CBS has done.

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Speaker 1: So thank you sponsors for supporting independent journalism. That's the

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Speaker 1: only way you're going to get an honest assessment of

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Speaker 1: Like I've always said, I practiced, I cover politics as

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Speaker 1: it is, not as I wish it were, and missus

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Speaker 1: politics as it is. With the Chuck Podcast today, let's

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Speaker 1: take a break and when we come back, my conversation

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Speaker 1: He is a truth teller. He has very he certainly

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Speaker 1: And so the point is is you don't have to

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Speaker 1: It will be pretty straightforward. I hope you take that

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and obviously it goes back to why

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Speaker 2: we got involved in politics in the first place. And

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Speaker 2: ideally it's not enough for spend or the tactical approaches,

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Speaker 2: but rather some conviction.

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Speaker 1: Well, you actually usually get pretty frustrated by it. I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: have you ever had clients get frustrated with you that

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Speaker 1: you don't do that?

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, the people I've worked for have not gotten frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Harry Reid was a truth teller. It is, you know,

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Speaker 2: very kind of classic way and Bernie Sanders for John

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Speaker 2: Podesta and people like that who generally just appreciated my approach.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure that if there are many politicians who

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Speaker 2: could potentially get frustrated, who might probably wouldn't work for.

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Speaker 1: So this is sort of an interesting political environment we're in. Right,

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Speaker 1: you can look at it just through the lens of

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Speaker 1: you know, you're hoping progressives have a better shot. You're

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Speaker 1: looking at and tactically things couldn't be better of the left, right.

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Speaker 1: The opportunities are across the board. But there's it feels

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Speaker 1: that there's something right. There's it's the Democratic Party feels

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Speaker 1: very divided and sort of arguably leaderless. It is worth

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Speaker 1: noting you ran for d Yeah you went, And most

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Speaker 1: of the time when you're the party out of power,

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Speaker 1: it's you usually are less your lead. Your leaders aren't

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Speaker 1: usually very well known. But in this case it feels

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Speaker 1: very leaderless. I do want to remind people you ran

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Speaker 1: that position opens up before the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: would you run again.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe so. I mean the reason that

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Speaker 2: I ran at that time though, it wasn't because I

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Speaker 2: I wanted to make publicly about the direction of the DNC,

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Speaker 2: And as I watch Ken Martin try to struggle through

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Speaker 2: what I think were foreseeable, understandable challenges, that you have

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Speaker 2: a bureaucracy that you have to navigate, and if you

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Speaker 2: don't come in like a bull in a china shop

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Speaker 2: to change it, that the bureaucracy will capture you. And

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Speaker 2: I think what I was trying to argue for at

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Speaker 2: the time was that you have to have a clear

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Speaker 2: mandate coming in the door of what you want to

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Speaker 2: do and have people understand it and vote upon that.

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Speaker 2: If you don't, you'll get stuck. And I think he's

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Speaker 2: a good person stuck in a bad system. And you

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Speaker 2: can see right, I mean, the only thing he had

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Speaker 2: really firmly campaigned on was that the state parties would

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Speaker 2: get additional funding, which he has delivered, but it has

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Speaker 2: also put them in some difficult straits, which I know

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Speaker 2: he's working his butt off to try to fix.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a great way of putting it. It does feel

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Speaker 1: as if that he just he doesn't know how to

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Speaker 1: deal with the system.

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Speaker 2: And I think he'd own it and tell you, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've had some candid conversations between us about my own

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Speaker 2: desires would be to lay out an agenda for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six on the Democratic Party side, to say here

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Speaker 2: four or five things we're actively going to go and

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Speaker 2: campaign on, to compel that kind of a conversation. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he necessarily sees it as the DNC role.

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Speaker 2: I think Schumer Jeffery is the leader of the Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party right now, don't want to necessarily campaign and that

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Speaker 2: kind of direction. They think, if Trump is burying himself,

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Speaker 2: why put anything out there affirmatively for a vision. And

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Speaker 2: so you've got a bit of a play dead philosophy

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Speaker 2: and mentality that is governing much of the Democratic ranks.

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Speaker 2: And for those of us who are trying to reinstill

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Speaker 2: the brand to be definitionally about something, it's an uphill

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Speaker 2: climb right now. It explains partly why Bernie Sanders so

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Speaker 2: popular within the Democratic Party right now, why in a

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Speaker 2: leaderless place, why he is probably the most popular Democrat

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Speaker 1: Well, you're getting into something that I think is the

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Speaker 1: real challenge for the party, and I just don't think

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Speaker 1: they have the leadership to do with the challenge right

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Speaker 1: at the moment, and that is, Look, the party's got

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Speaker 1: a massive brand problem. It's still there the new NBC

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Speaker 1: News poll. As bad as Trump is, as unpopular as

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Speaker 1: this war is, the Democratic brand is in worse shape

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Speaker 1: than the Republican brand. So that is, you know, that

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Speaker 1: is the one thing at sort of which what is

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Speaker 1: different from twenty eighteen. That is the one difference. Now

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Speaker 1: it may not matter in this mid term and because

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Speaker 1: of what you just described the play dead strategy, which

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Speaker 1: is and and you know, let them this is ropen dope, right,

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Speaker 1: let them punch themselves out. And they're doing a pretty

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Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, I mean, Trump debates himself on Iran.

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Speaker 1: Why do you have to put out a statement He's gonna,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna, he's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Fractures his own coalition, you see now Joe Rugan and

853
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Speaker 2: Megan Kelly and you.

854
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Speaker 1: Know, and he's doing it all over the place, right

855
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: if you think about it over the last two weeks,

856
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, and it's always for a check, right, Monsanto

857
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: wrote a check. So he did the executive order on

858
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Speaker 1: the on the weed killer. That upsets Maha, right, he

859
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: doesn't run that upset like he put together this interesting coalition.

860
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Speaker 1: But when you put together coalitions, you got to keep them.

861
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta deliver.

862
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he sleut them down. I mean, I

863
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: think in my mind, the one big difference from his

864
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Speaker 2: first term to a second term, what what did we Well,

865
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Speaker 2: a lot of things were baking in the cake about

866
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. If we had told each other, oh, he's

867
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Speaker 2: going to be tough on immigration, He's going to do

868
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Speaker 2: some acts that are illegal, we wouldn't have been terribly

869
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: surprised about that. If you said, hoo, he's gonna even

870
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Speaker 2: you know, engage in tax cuts for the rich. There's

871
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Speaker 2: lots of things that you just would have baked into

872
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Speaker 2: the cake. I think the way in which he campaigned

873
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: and well, at least from the moment he wins to

874
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Speaker 2: immediately the inauguration, having Bezos, Zuckerberg and you know, Musk

875
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: right behind him was a stark departure from the first term,

876
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: in which, you know, you remember he had an anti

877
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Speaker 2: trust case against Google, and now in the second term

878
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: he has just wholeheartedly embraced big tech and the oligarchy,

879
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, the kings of the universe, as it were

880
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: as a corruption racket, and I think that has more

881
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: aggressively splintered the coalition faster than I think a lot

882
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: of people would have assumed.

883
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: As would you accept the premise that he is now

884
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: the caricature that many on the left tried to paint

885
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: the Bush family as, right, The Bushes were never like this, right,

886
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: he he's like this caricature version.

887
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: Of this because we don't give him any credit for this,

888
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: but he is brazen about putting the corruption out loud

889
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: in front of you, to say, this is exactly why

890
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm operating everything from you know, you take the Iran war,

891
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: it's just you know, here we're going to go do

892
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: it with Israel. It's very clear in your face how

893
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: we're going to execute this all the way through, you know,

894
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: to just you know, these AI tech deals will be

895
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Speaker 2: done at the behest of Tim Cooks sitting right here

896
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Speaker 2: in front of me, and then him out loud stating

897
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Speaker 2: that these are the people, these high IQ individuals who

898
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Speaker 2: I listen to, who I think are really brilliant and

899
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: are going to guide this administration. So when most working

900
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: class Americans right now are worried that does the President

901
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: even see me understand the struggles with affordability or cost

902
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: of living that I'm going through. And they're worried that

903
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: his agenda is somehow not on a different is fully

904
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: on the different plane than the one in which they live.

905
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: They are correct because he's telling them that. Every given day,

906
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Speaker 2: he tells you the things that are most important to him,

907
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Speaker 2: and none of them are around affordability. You can send

908
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles and Company. You're trying to compel him to say,

909
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Speaker 2: the union.

910
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Kind of music. They set up these events that are

911
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: clearly they're very much You're like, they're well thought out,

912
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: like you know what they're doing. I think we're taping

913
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: here on a Wednesday, where eleventh they've got a couple

914
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: today and in contentio, you know it's this. It's the

915
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: stuff that that means table stakes, right, it's the stuff

916
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: you should be doing as president in an electioneer, sell

917
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: your agenda, show people, show people an example where you

918
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: think your agenda's having an impact, And we know what

919
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: he's going to do. He's going to go there just

920
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: whin about the word affordability. They're telling me I have

921
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: to do this, and you're just sitting there going huh okay.

922
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: And he's stuck in the bad as you. We remember

923
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 2: about this with Biden, you get stuck in the finger

924
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: wag of don't you people know that I am doing

925
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: amazing things? Why aren't you appreciating all of the amazing

926
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: things I've done? Instead of you know what we are

927
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: arguing with Biden. I think it would also be true

928
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: to Trump. You lean forward and say here's the fundamental

929
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: problems in society that you are dealing with that I

930
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: am focused on, and I have to do next, not backwards,

931
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: and they only get stuck looking backwards and saying, I've

932
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Speaker 2: just done all these amazing things.

933
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Speaker 1: What did you I I uh, I noticed over the

934
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Speaker 1: week at JD. Vance tried right, he said, you know,

935
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Speaker 1: he's trying. He was trying to say, yes, I know,

936
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Speaker 1: there's an affordability issue, and he did the old you know,

937
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: which is what any presidential administration we do. Hey, it

938
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Speaker 1: was it was really bad when we took over. This

939
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Speaker 1: is going to take more time meanwhile, which okay, that's

940
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: sort of beam C plus B minus spin. But when

941
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Speaker 1: the president says, hey, pay no attention to that. It

942
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Speaker 1: talked about undermining whatever little attempt Vance was doing to

943
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: try to to try to let these people know that

944
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Speaker 1: he at least pays attention.

945
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Speaker 2: Well, you get into the psychology of the Trump Advance thing,

946
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Speaker 2: which is kind of entertaining and going, I.

947
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Speaker 1: Mean, you know, yeah, right, you there were there were

948
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: sort of two core principles to Vance that I bought into.

949
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: One is that he was genuinely a believer in in

950
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: breaking up these monopolies, you know, corporate consolidation. You know,

951
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: he would praise Lena Khan. Not many Republicans would do that,

952
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: the conservatives, the right wing populas and.

953
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: Who goes into the DS later.

954
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: Who was a JD Vance? You know. So I genuinely

955
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: believe this is something that is that is that he

956
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: believes that this isn't just something that he adopted for

957
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: political purposes. And then no more foreign wars, right, and

958
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: here's Trump essentially firing his staffer a justice right, allowing

959
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: companies to go around the Justice Department, and essentially like

960
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: with the Ticmaster thing. It's like, I mean, you know,

961
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: this is the thing that like everybody knows the combination

962
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: to Trump, right, how do you it's a there's a

963
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: and I always hate to make Seinfeld references because there's

964
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: it's such an old show now, but there's enough people

965
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: that still spind it. But there's this like gag running

966
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: gag with Elaine where she says, I put it in

967
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: the vault and then like everybody knows, you know, the

968
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: the uh, the combinations of the poll. You just get

969
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: a little booze ent her and she'll tell you all

970
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: spell all the secrets. Well with Trump, well know the combination.

971
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: You write a check to run of the slush funds,

972
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: you'll get what you want. You know, you know there's

973
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, you got to do a couple of things here,

974
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: but you do a deal with the family whatever, and

975
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: you'll get what you want. It's pretty true. And you know,

976
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, he allows people to know

977
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: these things because he's trying to He's hanging out a

978
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: sign like hey, this is how you do it. It's

979
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: really undermine Vance, Like I just don't think Vance has

980
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: any anything, any credibility left.

981
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: There's obviously this musing about him suggesting Rubio might you know,

982
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: be a better candidate mar A Lago, And I was

983
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: wondering if they leaked into your thought about it. When

984
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: leading up into the Iran War, there's obviously some leakage

985
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: of around Well, Jade Vance wasn't fully on board initially,

986
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: and I had some concerns and I was like, it

987
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: reminded me back in the day when you remember Obama

988
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: and they had the decision of going in bin Laden

989
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: an inlete that Biden had against me with him, right,

990
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: And it felt that most are reducts of that. And

991
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: it was done at that time, right, and you could

992
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: sense of a Hillary kind of world that was setting

993
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: up twenty sixty. You know, here's the choice, and it

994
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: was felt again we got a Ruby overs Van's choice

995
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: of who was with the president.

996
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: My warning to Rubio would simply be when the president

997
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: besides Iran was a mistake, not if okay, we know

998
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: when he ain't taken the blame, right, you know, and

999
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: I think Rubyo has been set up.

1000
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: I mean this, in my view, we can get down

1001
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: for a policy conversation there. So the rationales for this

1002
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: war are worse than you can imagine any prior US

1003
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: intervention anywhere, and it is really doing a great disservice.

1004
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: And talked about the Democratic Party and the struggles with

1005
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: it that there isn't a leading security minded argument against

1006
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: this war. Well, you're seeing and hearing a lot of

1007
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: our process and gas prices and domestic needs, and those

1008
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: are all fair and correct. But what they miss is

1009
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: if the President says this is an imminent threat, Iran's

1010
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: going to attack US, I had to go do this war.

1011
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: Who is making this American security minded argument that that

1012
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: is fully nonsense and that this war of choice puts

1013
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: US in a weaker position security wise than ever before.

1014
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think be the more opposite of America. First, Yeah, right,

1015
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, who's making the argument? It's Rand, but you're

1016
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: asking it's actually Rand.

1017
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: Pauli, which always frustrates me that we you know, I

1018
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: appreciate the Democrats are focused on the domestic needs and

1019
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: we have to be right, and we just cost of

1020
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: living in formula issues, But if you live in the

1021
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: place of wanting to protect America, we should be making.

1022
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: The argument the issue This is still Vietnam syndrome. Yes,

1023
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think infiltrates the democratic brain.

1024
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, I tend to think that Israel politics is

1025
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: also at play here, and that there's some concerns around

1026
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: you know, the AI companies that are at play here,

1027
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: and how do you navigate the big money that's being

1028
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: spent in this election cycle, which we can get into, right,

1029
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: Who's who are the big spenders in these primaries? And

1030
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: it tends to be it's a I have two versions, right,

1031
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: it's AI of Artificial Intelligence and it's AI of AI

1032
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: American Israel Political Action Committee stuff. So both of them.

1033
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 1: Don't forget the crypto guys too, fair shake where Chuck

1034
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: Schuber actually told them in the Again, I mean when

1035
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: when Chuck Schumer tells the Democratic Caucus you're just going

1036
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: to have to suck it up on crypto. Yeah, that

1037
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: felt like that we have we have crossed the rubicon

1038
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: of of of financial capture, right, And and I know

1039
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me. You you would appreciate this. I

1040
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: moderated a panel a couple of weeks ago at the

1041
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Principal's First Conference, which is sort of a right, you know,

1042
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: sort of Republicans still trying to repair the Republican Party

1043
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: post Trump. They're all anti Trump and all this stuff.

1044
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: And there's Pat McCrory at cating for campaign finance reform,

1045
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: and you're just like the number of people I've run

1046
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: into recently that have gotten religion on campaign finance reform

1047
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: are people I never would have put anywhere near this

1048
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: topic even five years ago.

1049
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Speaker 2: Do you think that, just to stick with that for

1050
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: a second, that in that wonderful NBC pull that you

1051
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: and I read closely, democrats are at the bottom on

1052
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: approval unfortunately talked about that. But you see who is

1053
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: a little bit below that.

1054
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: AI that is you know, we're we're I was at

1055
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Speaker 1: another conference, a tech conference earlier this week, and they

1056
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: haven't fully I mean, I think it's because of them,

1057
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: is what I said that you guys that AI is

1058
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: so unpopular, right, there's a distrust that the public's not

1059
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: being stupid here. They know what social media did to.

1060
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Speaker 2: Us, the publishers. It's the same.

1061
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Speaker 1: Companies that are that are in charge of this. And

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Speaker 1: you know if you and oh, by the way, the

1063
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Speaker 1: memory of globalization one point, oh wasn't very good for

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Speaker 1: these people. What's interesting is that we are the most

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Speaker 1: negative on AI of any Western country.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you make of that?

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Speaker 2: But understandable and I we should be I think if

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Speaker 2: you look at to your point of the understandings of

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Speaker 2: what upside benefits does this have to working class people

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Speaker 2: living paycheck to paycheck sixty percent of Americans, and you say, well,

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Speaker 2: what aren't you possibly putting on the table to improve

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Speaker 2: their lives? There's really very very little to nothing being

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Speaker 2: put on the line, on the line by AI companies,

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Speaker 2: by the tech oligarchs to say you're going to generally

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Speaker 2: improve I would argue, we can get down all of

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Speaker 2: all of the rabbit hole. But just looking at the

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Speaker 2: campaign finance side of this, you know they are spending

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Speaker 2: tons of money, both on Super Bowl ads, which you

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Speaker 2: and I watched together, but also it's spending in a

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Speaker 2: lot of political primaries and trying to capture the political system,

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Speaker 2: which means that the candidates are not actually being populous

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Speaker 2: in the way that I would like to see, well,

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Speaker 2: articulating the harms of working class people who are very

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Speaker 2: worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you have a massive amount of money, consume

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Speaker 1: your camp primary campaign. And that's what we're seeing in Illinois, right.

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Speaker 1: I think the Illinois Senate race is gross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is so gross because it feels like

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Speaker 1: all of the candidates have some sort of sponsor right

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Speaker 1: that they're you know that they have a title sponsorship. Right.

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Speaker 1: One is the crypto guy, one is the AI data center.

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Speaker 1: Person one is the anthropic AI people, right, but it's

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Speaker 1: it feels like they've all been captured by some massive

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Speaker 1: industry that is currently trying to buy off Washington. And

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Speaker 1: there's the three people, the three big the three big entities,

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Speaker 1: and four if you want to put an APAC in there.

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Speaker 1: And it is. What's interesting is that APEX numbers are

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Speaker 1: actually pale financially in comparison to what you're saying with

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Speaker 1: Crypto and with the ACT. But it has made me

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Speaker 1: question all those candidates running in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: It should I mean, I mean, this is why it's

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Speaker 2: a Bernie Sanders moment in America is because it's not

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Speaker 2: about the policy agend as much as the integrity question.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the integrity question of do you

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Speaker 2: orient yourself of being a populas who fights for working

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Speaker 2: class people and that that is who governs your sense

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Speaker 2: of the fights I picked the people for whom I

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Speaker 2: am going to challenge the wealthy and the powerful fights.

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Speaker 1: That you pick. You talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: You got to learn, you know, Donald Trump was really

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Speaker 1: good about pick and fights. And you've said this before,

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Speaker 1: and you think Democrats are terrible about it.

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Speaker 2: They don't like friction by almost It's almost in the

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Speaker 2: DNA now you can sense it that even as we

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Speaker 2: talk right now, in this moment of leading up to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, what are we putting on the table

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Speaker 2: besides our hatred of Donald Trump? I mean, you go

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Speaker 2: that Illinois race and the f candidates run, you know,

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Speaker 2: running f Trump adds three seconds of that Trump. Okay,

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Speaker 2: got that. That's pretty clear. I think the public has

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Speaker 2: an understanding that you and Donald Trump are not I

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Speaker 2: time on anything else. Is there any friction within American

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Speaker 2: society on any economic justice issues in which you're willing

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Speaker 2: to name names and take on powerful actors. And this

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Speaker 2: goes back to our AI question. They're telling you right now.

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Speaker 2: American public is telling you right now that this is

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Speaker 2: one of their top concerns. And how is it possible

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Speaker 2: that any political actors or political parties have not gravitated

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Speaker 2: to the layup that's on the table. We could argue

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Speaker 2: about the Data Center moratory methode policy, but it is

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Speaker 2: clear that Bertie Sanders, just by putting it on the docket,

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Speaker 2: has said I am putting something out there that it

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Speaker 2: was reflecting the pain of working class people. Does anybody

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Speaker 2: want to meet me or match this bar or suggest.

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Speaker 1: That Shared Brown loss because of Crypto fast exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the it is that has It seems like that

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Speaker 1: result that Bernio Moreno became the crypto guy and then

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Speaker 1: dropped the whole ton of cash on Shared Brown in

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Speaker 1: twenty four it seems as if that has just absolutely

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed them.

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Speaker 2: This is why great talking with you about these kinds

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Speaker 2: of things, as you live these very well, because you,

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01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: unlike most political commentators, I think, are able to marry

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Speaker 2: policy and politics, and I think often we get into

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: your Democrats think so heading about policy that they let

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Speaker 2: their politics suffer as a result. Meanwhile, the Republicans are

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Speaker 2: the other way around. They know when they're going to govern,

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Speaker 2: they're going to govern on behalf of crypto. But when

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Speaker 2: I politic, when I get out into the world and

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Speaker 2: talk to working class people, I say things brazenly about,

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Speaker 2: oh I'm going to take on the wealthy and the powerful.

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Speaker 2: I hate this wealthy actor and in ways that I

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Speaker 2: think because they're better populist wise campaigning, and it gets

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Speaker 2: to my deep, deep frustration with the Democrat Party of

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Speaker 2: how we a don't campaign is to name names name.

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Speaker 2: Some villains get into fights, elevate these kinds of issues,

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Speaker 2: and then of course I want to marry that with

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Speaker 2: a policy agenda. But often the agenda, you know, is

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Speaker 2: so much in the forefront of our mind that we

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Speaker 2: have no politics by which to reach regular people.

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Speaker 1: Over So, I it's interesting that you call it. You

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Speaker 1: think you're there's a Bernie Sanders moment here. I certainly

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Speaker 1: think there's an outsider, independent moment that's happening. And I'm

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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm one of those that getting close

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Speaker 1: isn't going to mean anything to me in twenty six.

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Speaker 1: You know, if Osborne loses again, okay, then it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: Just because you come close doesn't mean it's It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: If Seth Bodner is not a United States Senator out

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Speaker 1: of Montana, it didn't work. If Mike Duggan is not

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Speaker 1: the next governor of Michigan, it didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: But all three could happen, maybe three, all three could

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Speaker 1: benefit from not having a party label a la Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But also I think the over unders matter that

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Speaker 2: the delta's in the margins. So I wouldn't go all

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Speaker 2: the way to saying, hey, I hear you're still trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out what is the right directional form of

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Speaker 2: politics that people that matches what people would support, and

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Speaker 2: for democratic parties trying to find its way, I'm arguing

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Speaker 2: that some of these independents are offering a kind of

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: different working class economic first agenda, then should influence the

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Speaker 2: way in which we think. Right.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was spending a little bit of extra

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Speaker 1: time on the FDR coalition a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and and and going back through some of it, and

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Speaker 1: you do realize that FDR's decision to just stick to

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Speaker 1: an economic focus did widen, did broaden his support. Now

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Speaker 1: there's history is not kind on some of the on

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Speaker 1: some of these things, right with him, But the only

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Speaker 1: way you can make econom you can make economic justice

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Speaker 1: a transformational issue, is if you can get five sixty

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Speaker 1: percent type of coalitions. And he did build one, and

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Speaker 1: he showed. I mean, I've said, if if the right

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Speaker 1: drops its cultural greed, the economic populace on the right,

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Speaker 1: drop the cultural grievance issue, or start prioritizing the economic

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Speaker 1: justice over and above everything else. And you know, and

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Speaker 1: Bernie's gotten in trouble at this at times right where

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Speaker 1: he will endorse candidates that maybe he doesn't agree with

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01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: on guns and doesn't agree with on abortion, but he's like,

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Speaker 1: look on the economic issues, this is the priority. And

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Speaker 1: this to me is always how the Democrats get in

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01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 1: their own way, right, they punish a candidate it isn't

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Speaker 1: correct on these social issues, and that still seems to

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: be the struggle the party is having, and why these

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Speaker 1: these Osborne's of the world or or the Bodiers of

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Speaker 1: the world are going You know what, I'm better off

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Speaker 1: from running as an independent. That way I can say

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Speaker 1: no to some of these groups and not get punished

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean again, in that wonderful NBC poll, I

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Speaker 2: they get asked, you know, Republicans and Democrats essentially, would

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Speaker 2: you prefer candidate who has closer ideology to you or

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Speaker 2: electability arguments? And it was always been generally the case

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Speaker 2: that Democrats have favored these kinds of electability arguments. That

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Speaker 2: still did in that poll, though there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: more ideological.

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Speaker 1: It was a twenty point right, it was like Republicans

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Speaker 1: were like seventy twenty. And you know this is what

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Speaker 1: I have a big progressive lean in the class that

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Speaker 1: I'm teaching at USC this year. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, legal studies majors. They're ready to go tack

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: on the world right justice warriors, and they're all very

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: frustrated that you would love them, because they are like,

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Speaker 1: why does the Democratic Party? You know, they seem to

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Speaker 1: always cave to its moderates. And I always say, look,

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Speaker 1: there is a math problem that the Democrats have, right,

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Speaker 1: which is the self described conservative is about ten points

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Speaker 1: more than the self described liberal and what does that

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Speaker 1: mean in your goal to get to fifty percent? Republicans

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: need fewer middle of the road voters than Democrats do. Right,

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Speaker 1: continues to be a math problem.

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Speaker 2: For the last MAYA pill fight on this within the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party ranks has been a kind of a rearguard

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Speaker 2: difficult fight, which is that Bernie Sanders is a stronger

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Speaker 2: general election candidate than he as a primary candidate. And

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Speaker 2: to understand that you haven't.

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Speaker 1: Been able to never.

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Speaker 2: Been able to get there. And I would argue, well, sadly,

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Speaker 2: we'll never see it, but I would I'm firm about

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Speaker 2: my own personal views on that, and as if people

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Speaker 2: were to agree with me on it, then you're saying, well,

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: what about Senator Sanders would would move a five percent

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: of conservatives independence in the column of him. Well, now

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: we get into the heart of what I think of

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: a Democratic Party should be in and around, is that

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Speaker 2: here's a fight against a billionaire class, a willingness to

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Speaker 2: take on corporate power and corporate greed and corporate influence,

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 2: and willingness to fight our campaign finance reform and meaningful

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: and important ways and integrity that you trust that you

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: wake up every day wanting to fight for working class Americans.

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Speaker 2: That is, that's clearly what they people associate with Bernie,

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Speaker 2: and I think we want more of that associated with

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. But unfortunately, this is a polical re

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Speaker 2: alignment opportunity to in my view, I think we get

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Speaker 2: you don't always get these opportunities, but right now you

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: got one where I think if the right candidate with

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Speaker 2: the right appeal gets that five seven percent, moving fully

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Speaker 2: over and potentially staying with you if you you know campaign,

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Speaker 2: you know, we saw this with Obama. He had the

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Speaker 2: opportunity in two thousand and seven and eight, and he

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,879
Speaker 2: had it, you know, for a period of time. Somebody

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Speaker 2: coming along right now could realign America in a major,

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Speaker 2: major way.

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Speaker 1: I am near at Tandon shares your belief in that

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Speaker 1: that this is that this is a moment. Now she's

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Speaker 1: more in the this is a moment for the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: don't screw it up type of moment. I I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit more pessimistic. I think where I think there needs

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Speaker 1: to be another kick. You know, there's that Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: phrase that I sort of like that he uses, which

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Speaker 1: is there's no there's no second educator, there's no extra

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Speaker 1: education with the second kick to the head by a

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Speaker 1: mule or something like that. And yet I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling that I have a feeling that twenty six is

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Speaker 1: going to give Democrats false hope about twenty eight and

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Speaker 1: that they will go in the wrong direction. Well, all

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Speaker 1: what happened in eighty six to eighty eight, it was

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Speaker 1: a very similar situation the.

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Speaker 2: The big TVD There though, is that unlike let's call

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Speaker 2: it twenty twenty two when you say, you know it

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Speaker 2: led to the kind of the wrong false hope that

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Speaker 2: you're referring to. There was an assumed front runner right

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Speaker 2: of the Democratic nomination. There wasn't going to be as

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Speaker 2: much of a debate. There should have been, argue but

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Speaker 2: there wasn't sure at this time. There will be right,

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Speaker 2: There will be actively has to be a very competitive primary,

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Speaker 2: very open debate. The question and concern that I have,

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Speaker 2: of course, is that given that Senator Sanders is extremely

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Speaker 2: extremely unlikely to run, I do think that were he

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Speaker 2: able to run, he would win in this in this cycle.

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Speaker 1: And oh, I'm more convinced today than I would have

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Speaker 1: been five years ago that the twenty that Bernie wins

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election right unfortunate. It was probably would

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Speaker 1: not have been in that camp in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: But I think he you know, if we could rand

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Speaker 2: clock fifteen years younger where he could run, he would

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Speaker 2: do very well. So is there a natural follow on?

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Speaker 2: Is the obvious question? Who most is closest to the

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Speaker 2: conceptions of what are the best political attributes of Bernie?

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Speaker 2: And at this point, as you and I talk, it

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: is not yet clear that there is. That There's a

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: lot of in the normy kind of moderated centrist lane,

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 2: lots of governors, as we could rattle off, but who's

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Speaker 2: going to be out there progressive aggressively saying like Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 2: I believe X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: You know it's interesting. You're right, I'm I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I think another under sould aspect to Bernie, which is

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Speaker 1: why I'm more skeptical of AOC, is that he was

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Speaker 1: from a rural state. Yeah, and so there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit more credibility than coming from you know, he he's

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Speaker 1: been had, he stayed in Brooklyn and been a New

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Speaker 1: York senator. I don't know if he has the same following. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that it's a small thing, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder because there is just a there is a

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Speaker 1: branding that comes with New York Democrat, California Democrat that

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Speaker 1: you don't get with Vermont. Yeah, liberals different, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by his orientation is very much a class based there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a class and what the Democrats This

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: goes back to the Democrats need a good old fashioned

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Speaker 1: class warfare Campase. Probably this is what FDR did. But

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Speaker 1: you got to drop the culture and that I don't

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Speaker 1: know if today's Democratic Party and the interest groups that

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Speaker 1: control it are ready to do that.

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Speaker 2: Right, Maybe I'd quibble with drop the culture because the

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Speaker 2: thing I get concerned about on this front is you

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Speaker 2: cannot go before the American public and lie and deceive

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Speaker 2: them about what you might honestly believe. What you're trying

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Speaker 2: to argue in my mind over is what is the

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Speaker 2: primacy of the things that I most care about? From

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Speaker 2: my end litigated the sober Kambla and other people, is

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Speaker 2: that when you don't have the privacy of an economic

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Speaker 2: justice class based argument that people believe and trust and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's what animates you. When you don't have that, what

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Speaker 2: becomes subsumed by you is the sense that you probably

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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: care a lot more about these other culture issues in

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Speaker 2: which there's far more differences of opinions about the American public.

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Speaker 2: And we tend to think maybe that's what animates you

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Speaker 2: and why you want to get into government? Does you

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Speaker 2: want DEI and various government agencies? And you know that

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Speaker 2: you can't fault a lot of people from understand seeming

1343
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: like they're trying to hunt for what is it that

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Speaker 2: drives you? And I don't want people to feel like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I have to run away from culture, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's the case. They just want to know that

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Speaker 2: will you give allowance for disagreement on the cultural issues

1348
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Speaker 2: where there might be and say, hey, this is what

1349
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Speaker 2: I believe. I appreciate and you might have a different

1350
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Speaker 2: point of view, but here's what I believe. But together

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: you and I are on the same page on these

1352
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: economic justice fights, on wealth and income and quality, that

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Speaker 2: they are the first order priorities of today.

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Speaker 1: So what would you be doing if you were running

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Speaker 1: the party right now with these independent candidacies in the

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Speaker 1: in the in the sort of upper Midwest, you know

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Speaker 1: you have You're probably gonna have one in Kansas, now

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska, Montana, South Dakota. Well, you're a lot, let

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Speaker 1: me said Doug aside. Dougan is sort of a different

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Speaker 1: type of campaign. The other ones are all very similar

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Speaker 1: because you know, they actually coordinate. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: their own I've interviewed a couple of them and they said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're on a text chain, you know, Osborne and Bangs

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Speaker 1: and and uh the guy in Idaho, I'm blanking on

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Speaker 1: his name. I apologize. They're gonna be mad at me,

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Speaker 1: Todd Todd, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, thank you. What

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Speaker 1: would you be doing with them if you were at

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Speaker 1: the dance?

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Speaker 2: Uh? In my view, we have some really great Canada. So,

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Speaker 2: first of all, while acknowledging that you've mentioned some that

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Speaker 2: are kind of maybe problematic or challenging for you know,

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Speaker 2: do you advance a Democratic candidate? You are surveying the field,

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Speaker 2: is there a strong candidate or not? You have to

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Speaker 2: make prioritizations the question We're just say, well, who is

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Speaker 2: a priority for you? Thankfully, the Democrats do have very

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Speaker 2: strong priorities that you know, go to Alaska, you go Iowa, Texas, Maine,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, hire lots of potentials of pickups and on

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Speaker 2: the Senate races alone, and you say, that's where the

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Speaker 2: prioritization for the Democratic National Committee is right. Just to

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Speaker 2: look at this field and look at the possibilities, and

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01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: we need to advertise. This is the moment to advertise

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Speaker 2: a different kind of a Democratic party. And Mary Bell

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Speaker 2: totally gives you that. James Tallerico gives you on Grand

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Speaker 2: Plantner gives you that. Obviously, have to navigate some primary

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Speaker 2: issues here, who represents us in Iowa, who represents us

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Speaker 2: in some of these other places. But I think that

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Speaker 2: the possibility is that for the first cycle that I

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 2: can remember a long period of time, we will have

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Speaker 2: new faces that look and feel like working class voices,

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Speaker 2: relatively new voices across the board, although Charit and Roy

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Speaker 2: Cooper are older, but I think you might have the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to say, here, look at the new faces, the

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Speaker 2: new direction, the new or orientation of this Democrat Barry.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think is really possible from the d

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Speaker 2: n C side of things.

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Speaker 1: So what would you do though about the secondary races

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Speaker 1: of Montana and Nebraska?

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Speaker 2: What do you say on the table? I mean, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to be. We're not going to be.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats agreed to stand down in Nebraska. I mean

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Speaker 1: it seems like that's a that's an open secret. Montana's

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01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: a different story where you have John Tester endorsing the Independent. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in my mind, if you feel like there's

1404
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: a good chance that we could capture the Senate with

1405
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: Democrats majority of the Democrats, why wouldn't you let a

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Speaker 2: flyer run in Montana or wherever the case might be,

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01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: in which we don't necessarily have to feel as a

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 2: democratic Canadate because we think we can defeat the Republican

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Speaker 2: with the Independent. I don't know, I haven't seen enough

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Speaker 2: with the polling on that. But we're making a theoretical

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01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: observation here that if we feel like we can get

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Speaker 2: to fifty plus one with Democratic votes and that Osborne

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Speaker 2: or dependent that Montana could win. Great, great, that's great,

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Speaker 2: great grateful of us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, I just this is the look

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Speaker 1: I kind of think we we we kind of need

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01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: a a moment that that push that forces both parties

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: to rethink of what they are right, and that's what

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01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: that's what independent candidacies can do. They're not replacements, right,

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Speaker 1: We're not We're not doing that. There's not a third

1421
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: party that becomes a second party per se. But there's

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01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: definitely interest in this right. You see it among younger voters.

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Speaker 1: I assume you see it a lot in your work

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Speaker 1: at more Perfect Union.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean the MVP have we've seen this and

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Speaker 2: Verie as he gets that he's done the fight, all

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01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 2: Gurchy rallies and the course of the last year, and

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01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: we look at the match every attendee over the vility

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01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 2: involves minutes. And then same with the MVU, and we

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: look at all of our audience where they're coming in.

1431
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,959
Speaker 2: Particularly if you're younger than thirty five, you're you're an independent,

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01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: You're you're no party preference. Honestly, even if you might

1433
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: say you're done, you're not really And so a lot

1434
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: of people are just are independent minded. But when you

1435
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Speaker 2: say independent minded, what is there? They still have ideological orientation.

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Speaker 2: That's what often gets discounted, that the sense there's sometimes

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Speaker 2: a conflation that independent is moderate, centrist, not c.

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Speaker 1: What I always say independent usually is is you know,

1439
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: they nobody wants to feel like they have to own everything,

1440
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: the deeds and the rs stand for these days when

1441
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: I understand why people don't want to do.

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Speaker 2: That, and that the partisanship isn't what appeals to people

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01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: right now. It is I don't want to beat the

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01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: dead horse hero once again, that the people's economic lives

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01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: govern their orientation and they're thinking about politics, not the

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Speaker 2: other way around. Politics doesn't tend to govern. I mean sure,

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Speaker 2: like you and me political animals. If you think about

1448
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: politics all the time, most people I think about their

1449
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: economic lives, of the struggles, and then working backwards to

1450
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 2: does politics even match and represent or or have infuse

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01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: anything into this? And the answer currently right now is

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Speaker 2: not really, because you don't have working class candidates generally

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: across the board who are matching your concerns over AI

1454
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: or the development or the lack of a few human

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,959
Speaker 2: labor force who matches where you're thinking is at.

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Speaker 1: Where are you in the redistricting wars?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's I think at some point we were

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01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: always due for some kind of national orientation on this.

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01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 2: To be honest with your idea, the sustainability of these

1460
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: kinds of state by state approaches is in this age,

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Speaker 2: what we understand of Trump is a sense of authoritarianism,

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Speaker 2: and you sense that there's an appeal among some people

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Speaker 2: in the public rightly so that all structures across the

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Speaker 2: board become dysfunctional. There's lack of trust in democracy because

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Speaker 2: we don't believe that institutions can can function. So then

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Speaker 2: in my mind, there are some of these approaches that

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Speaker 2: make better sense to execute nationally. Now that we're in

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Speaker 2: a cycle, in a race at the bottom, you fight

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Speaker 2: the fights that you have to fight to fight the moment.

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Speaker 1: That we're in, well, there's this mindset of just do

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to grab power. Then you can implement

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Speaker 1: an agenda. And I sense that that is where you

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a divide, almost like a

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Speaker 1: tactical divide on the left, which.

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Speaker 2: Is that there I don't even see that session ever.

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Speaker 1: Just get power and then we'll worry about everything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the quibble there is do

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01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 2: you sense an orientation once you have power?

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Speaker 1: What you do?

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Speaker 2: What is a first order priority of how do you

1481
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: solve this fundamental problem? And I think we have to

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Speaker 2: we have to make sure that it's an integrity based

1483
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: movement of people are saying, hey, here's the right way

1484
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: an election system should work. Let's let's have national readition.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry that the left giving up it's look,

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Speaker 1: I do think so let me defend Here's how I

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Speaker 1: would defend the Democratic Party's lack of why there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of fear of putting themselves out there or

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Speaker 1: or picking a fight. I think I could make an

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Speaker 1: argument that be playing the role of worthy adult in

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Speaker 1: the room party has helped Democrats compete in some places

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Speaker 1: that they normally wouldn't do as well, and so there's

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Speaker 1: a fear of giving up the adult. For instance, I

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Speaker 1: think for instan this redistricting, you spend fifteen years branding

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Speaker 1: yourself as the party of fairness and then you throw

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Speaker 1: it all away here. You can't get that back. Are

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Speaker 1: you going to regret in the long run not being

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Speaker 1: seen as the party that was willing to put fairness

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Speaker 1: above partisanship.

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Speaker 2: I don't live with that fear. I think everyone is

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Speaker 2: fully aware why we are engaged in a kind of

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Speaker 2: asymmetrical warfare and the need for a different orientation to

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Speaker 2: meet the crisis of the moment. And that happens to

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Speaker 2: be around Donald Trump and has the lack of value

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Speaker 2: system of how he thinks about how to govern. And

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Speaker 2: so you say, okay, well we we're going to fully

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Speaker 2: lose ours. We got to fight a fight right now,

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Speaker 2: the bullies in the in the in the in the alley,

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Speaker 2: and then attacking you attack, But then once you reorient,

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Speaker 2: So how would I better deal with this situation in

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Speaker 2: the future such to avoid these kinds of problems? And

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Speaker 2: I want that kind of a thinking that we have

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Speaker 2: to be the structhur of a foreign party that says, hey,

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Speaker 2: now that having it lived through chaos and a reorientation

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Speaker 2: of what Donald Trump did to government, can we come

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Speaker 2: in and be reform minded in our own right. This

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Speaker 2: goes back to your issue with discussion of the Democrats

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Speaker 2: not loving friction and fights. We come up status quo party.

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Speaker 2: It is what it is assumed of you and of

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Speaker 2: us in the words that you used as well. Adults, well, pragmatism.

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Speaker 1: Has become code for status quo.

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Speaker 2: Exactly adult minded is to say, no, listen, guys, don't

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Speaker 2: fight fights you can't win, don't worry about this is

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Speaker 2: the system as it's always been. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: And and I don't mean to describe oversuscribes to it,

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Speaker 2: but there has been a sign mentality around people who

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Speaker 2: are upper class, upper educated. Right you know, you're making

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Speaker 2: over a hundred fifty thousand dollars a year, you have

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Speaker 2: an advanced degree, and you're like, fundamentally, we don't need

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Speaker 2: overhauls of any major things. But yeah, but the rest

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Speaker 2: of America sixty plus percent believes in major systemic overhauls.

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Speaker 2: We have to reflect those and they are needed in

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Speaker 2: this moment.

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Speaker 1: Who's the heir apparent to Bernie?

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Speaker 2: I want a lot of people competing for that, lad Jack,

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Speaker 2: I want I want a lot of people throw in

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Speaker 2: their house.

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Speaker 1: Is who do you think is doing a good job

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Speaker 1: competing for the mantle right now?

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Speaker 2: Good job competing is a high barber at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's obviously people. He has a great fondness

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Speaker 2: for college. My Kazi pretension. He's gone out into the

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Speaker 2: world with He's done events with a number of people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it looks like he has a preference

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Speaker 1: for her, if you're just watching observationally, and how many

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Speaker 1: times he's done events with her versus others. But by

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Speaker 1: reading the.

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Speaker 2: Word preference is doing a lot of work for you there.

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Speaker 2: But I'd say what is clear is that he respects

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Speaker 2: that she has built something of a national appeal and

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Speaker 2: has a lot of young people in particular who believe

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Speaker 2: in her and her vichen of leadership, and he feels

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Speaker 2: like he learned something from that. Right, is that, oh,

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Speaker 2: here's somebody cultivating a populist kind of large natural, wide

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Speaker 2: scale support. And for those of us, you know Bernie

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Speaker 2: and he's a populist by nature, he respects those who

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Speaker 2: have built You could be Trump, he could build AOC,

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Speaker 2: you could be really any kind of politicians building huge

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Speaker 2: amounts of support, because there's something to learn from that.

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Speaker 2: Through that those kinds of people, you are getting a

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Speaker 2: better access into what American public, what does American public

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Speaker 2: think and believe? And in that way, it's sad to

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Speaker 2: say that there aren't that many competitors on this front

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Speaker 2: of who is populist, who gets their energy from people,

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Speaker 2: who motivates and rallies large scales of people. AOC is

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Speaker 2: at the top of that list right now, but there

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Speaker 2: aren't that many beyond her, unless you want to challenge

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Speaker 2: that condition.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm I mean, I'm you know, look, I Will

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Speaker 1: Rocanna would like to be considered. What do you said?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of him?

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Speaker 2: He's a very what you know about Row, he's very

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Speaker 2: strategic and smart thinker, and you know his Silicon Valley times.

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Speaker 1: He lets this strategic thinking go get too public.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's a it's a flaw I

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Speaker 2: would put on him. I mean, you want people to

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Speaker 2: be them.

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Speaker 1: I like it, but I wonder if it plays like

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Speaker 1: if it looks like he's being too calculating at times.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he is calculating heat.

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Speaker 1: That's who he is. He's not going to pretend somebody

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Speaker 1: is not right. I mean, he says it up front.

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Speaker 1: He moved to Silicon Valley simply because he thought it

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Speaker 1: was better to represent that world than suburban Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: He's smart, and I think you would add if you

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Speaker 2: were here, he's a strategic, smart thinking person. Like that's great,

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Speaker 2: and you know, in this competitive environment you're saying, I

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Speaker 2: think in this you know, it's about the presidency. It's

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Speaker 2: not just a battle over it's of intelligence. It is

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Speaker 2: really kind of who captures the emotions and the visceralness

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Speaker 2: of the feelings of American call, especially post Trump, where

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Speaker 2: I think we'll have once again this moment of sensing

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Speaker 2: who who. It's an entertainment industry as much as it

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Speaker 2: is policy industry, and it's who feels like they are

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Speaker 2: representing understand my life. And I think it's not just rows.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people struggle to say, how how am

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Speaker 2: I going to capture you emotionally?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting here'd be the I think a

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Speaker 1: challenge that a sort of Burnie protege might have in

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Speaker 1: twenty eight is that, well, there's a big demand for change.

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Speaker 1: There's an exhaustion from all the disruption Trump has caused.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be a competing issue, right,

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Speaker 1: You're going to have I call it the divide is

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Speaker 1: not left versus center, it really is fight versus unite

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at Biden by and benefited from the

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Speaker 1: exhaustion wing of the country, and then he tried to

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Speaker 1: govern as a massive change agent and it didn't take.

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Speaker 1: And I think part of it is if you don't

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Speaker 1: if you start governing different than you campaign, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter whether you're closer to them or not. It's just

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Speaker 1: it bothers people. It's disruptive, like you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is why you know, why hasn't Trump been punished

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Speaker 1: more for by the voters? Well, the voters kind of

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Speaker 1: knew he was always going to do certain things, so

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Speaker 1: there is an expectation. Biden set the expectations radically differently

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Speaker 1: as a campaigner versus how he attempted to govern, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's why he ran into some I think

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Speaker 1: in hindsight that's why he ran into so many roadblocks,

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Speaker 1: because what I get from you is if you tell

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Speaker 1: people what you're going to do, you tell people you're

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Speaker 1: going to be a disruptor, they're going to have more

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Speaker 1: patience for you disrupting.

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Speaker 2: And where I'm agreeing with you is that in that

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Speaker 2: disruption argument, we need or want candidates who wrestle with

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01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 2: coming in with an agenda and a plan on which

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Speaker 2: is executable. That I think this project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: which obviously has now governed a lot of what Trump

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Speaker 2: has done, and the fact that really came in with

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Speaker 2: the qualifire doge and a lot of the desk.

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Speaker 1: To learn from. Yeah, I'm trying to learn from that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I could not stress this far. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think enough thinking is being done on the

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Speaker 2: left of center of given that you've got a reorientation

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Speaker 2: if you were to walk into the presidency right now.

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Speaker 1: It's what you know, it's interesting, it's what says She's

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01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to get cap to do is essentially be focused

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Speaker 1: on if if he can destroy an agency without congressional approval, well,

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Speaker 1: what can you do with agencies in other ways without

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Speaker 1: congressional approval?

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Speaker 2: We know it comes more from Alena con Wing of

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01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: our party, which is to say, here's a woman, the

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Speaker 2: talented person of integrity, comes into the FTC and says,

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01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 2: here's all these latent powers that many people didn't even

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01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: know existed, didn't believe this agency should operate in the

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Speaker 2: way that it is. I'm coming in to reinstill a

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01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: sense of imagination and purpose and mission to this place

1648
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 2: morek into what it was founded to be and Therefore,

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Speaker 2: one of our primary objectives is to look at corporate

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01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: concentration problems file lawsuits. Even when people in the bureaucracy

1651
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: might say, well, we haven't filed lawsuits like that before.

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01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Those would be very hard, those would be challenging. Those

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Speaker 2: are traditionally not what we do. It's like, guess what

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01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: new sheriff in town. We're going to file some lawsuits

1655
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 2: and we're putting ourselves on the front edge. Now, if

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01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: you're going to come into government, you're going to own that.

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01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: We're going to do stuff here. We're going to have

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01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 2: to shake up the way in which the corporate world

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01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: is two stacked against the American public. And that is understood.

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01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 2: So if you take that FTC approach authored by I

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01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: think by Lena that WORL. Hitchopra at the CFPB was

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01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: great and effective as well, and you apply that across

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01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: the board. It's part of a agriculture. We need somebody

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01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: who shakes that up. We need Center for Medicare and

1665
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 2: Medicaid Services shakes that up and said what are the

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01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: powers to have more rural hospitals in America. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to sit here and just navigate the bureaucracy and

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01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: the rules as it were. I have some purpose and

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01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 2: mission to some real concrete goals, and I'm going to

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01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 2: use the authorities to come in and do it. That

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01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: kind of thinking, I think has been more associated with

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01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 2: the progressive wing because they believe in the sense of

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01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: a mission and a purpose and disruption. To your point,

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01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: that like, we're going to tap these latent authorities and

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01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 2: have a concrete goal. Not just I think you know,

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01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: good people, but Sarah Bill Sack, all these kinds of

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01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: folks who've lived in government for a long period of time.

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01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: Can you get the sense they come in and say,

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Speaker 2: what is it that we all have agreed to do here? Right, Okay,

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01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 2: we'll just do what we've all agreed.

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Speaker 1: To do doing it like, no, it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of agency capture. Yes, So of the all the people

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01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: that run around floating, you know sort of, that are

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Speaker 1: auditioning right now to run for president Among the Democrats,

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01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: who do you pay attention to the most? Who are

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01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 1: you like I'm curious how they were received with that message,

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01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: or I'm intrigued by the message they're using, or I

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: don't understand what they're up to. You know, I'll just

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Speaker 1: start naming it.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, he's built the strongest small dollar fundraising that work.

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01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you start not only with

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Speaker 2: the poles of him building his traction support off of

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Speaker 2: Trump problem. I mean, in many ways, it's kind of

1694
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 2: become the clearest you know, you almost we have the

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01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 2: visual in our head the finger point right of Trump

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01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 2: right out the tarback like right, that's what the t is. Yeah, right,

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01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: He's built it and he's cultivated. I think what he

1698
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 2: has done more effectively than anybody so far is he's

1699
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: translated that into an actual political app right, so they

1700
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: as he as he delivers indoors.

1701
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: Do you know any policy proposal he's offering.

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01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: I don't think he's really. I mean, he's obviously doing

1703
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,520
Speaker 2: the podcast circuit, which is Yeah.

1704
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: That's my thing with him, and that's why I think

1705
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's probably a sugar high well, by the way, on.

1706
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 2: That right, he's stuck in the morassos where well, tax

1707
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: is probably one of the biggest fights of our age

1708
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 2: right now, one of the point one of the biggest

1709
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: issue space in public. If I go out anywhere to

1710
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 2: any tamehol, I don'kay put a bunch of bag of

1711
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: people from me and I talked about taxing the rich.

1712
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 2: I guarantee you I got a lot of support. And

1713
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 2: here he is in what in California, basically opposing well Texan,

1714
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 2: not figuring out.

1715
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: Exactly he's probably eliminating himself from Democratic Party contention, and

1716
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:10,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't fully.

1717
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Realize employees out. But I imagine he's not, you know,

1718
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 2: not where the public is right now. AI too, by

1719
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 2: the way, you know, data centers also on the wrong

1720
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: side of that one. But not only him, I mean

1721
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Shapiro Wmer. A lot of the governors have been stuck

1722
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 2: in these wrong I think, wrong positions on you know,

1723
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 2: cozying up to big tech, all the garths on data centers.

1724
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,799
Speaker 1: Rob Emmanuel, you know, he's doing it differently than everybody

1725
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: else right now, which I find just I'm always interested

1726
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: in different you know.

1727
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 2: And I was talking before about the sense that you

1728
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: got to just politic better, and at least to his credit,

1729
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 2: he's like, I'll own that bas I'm just the politic better.

1730
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: I think the struggle that it have with wrong right

1731
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: you know this well is here's the person been in

1732
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 2: politics for like twenty thirty years.

1733
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how his baggage, right, I think his

1734
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: resume is too long for what people are looking for today.

1735
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 2: Right to be on every side of various fight raft Ian,

1736
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,759
Speaker 2: You and I could go every text.

1737
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: You would be able to, you would be able to knit.

1738
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: You could pick a thousand knits in a Democratic primary,

1739
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: and he would be deaf by a thousand cuts. And

1740
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: yet what he's doing on the education issue is I

1741
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: think something that and he's been right. He came on

1742
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: this podcast and said, you know, I don't know why

1743
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party stopped talking about education, and He's right,

1744
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 1: as a national issue, the Democrats have kind of surrendered

1745
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: this issue.

1746
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: A great yes, and I'll challenge.

1747
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's why Latinos. I think it's why Latinos

1748
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: have been flirting with the Republicans, because the one thing

1749
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: Republicans do on a state level is they talk about education. Now,

1750
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: they don't want they want to gut public education. But

1751
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Latino voter, you care about education,

1752
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: one party is talking about giving you an opportunity to

1753
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: do something different. The other party's saying nothing. Right.

1754
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 2: So what I love about him, and I appreciate this,

1755
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 2: is that he is willing to throw ideas into the

1756
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 2: main it up. Let me just say that's on education.

1757
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 2: What I what I worry about is obviously you could

1758
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 2: get phones out of schools, that's easy, but you got

1759
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: to take on the power a big tech. That's a

1760
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 2: funmentally different question. I think related to this is all

1761
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: throw an idea. You know, I'm a pro labor guy,

1762
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 2: and I still believe that we should have year round

1763
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: schooling in America, which I'm not sure where the you

1764
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: know where our teachers unions might feel about it, but

1765
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 2: we should have year round schooling and that.

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01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 1: That's something that would be enormously popular. And I have

1767
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: no idea why some of this.

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01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 2: It should be built around trades, food, finance. We should

1769
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 2: teach kids how to cook those imagine summer programs that

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01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 2: more built carrying.

1771
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: You for life life skills, a summer of life skills.

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01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: But it's mandatory education. Nobody says you have to go

1773
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: to the same school. Maybe a camp offers it, maybe

1774
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: there's it's a form. Look what you're what you're getting to.

1775
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: I love this idea because what it gets me closer

1776
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 1: to is national mandatory national service.

1777
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 2: And so now I'm one hundred to stay with that one.

1778
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 2: So I think of the ideas I think to put

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01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 2: on the Jennifer twenty twenty. I hope there's Democrat candidates

1780
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 2: who says that having scenes around them done, you execute

1781
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 2: a thirty dollars hour snow shoveling job in a crisis.

1782
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 2: We need to take that kernel of an idea and

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01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 2: expand this nation wide. We need to put we need

1784
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 2: to make political economy judgments for this nation of the

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01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 2: areas that we need service workers and other kinds of

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01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 2: trade workers to work in that we do not have

1787
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Speaker 2: sufficient numbers of people working in, whether dentist, doctors, nurses, teachers,

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Speaker 2: whatever the case might be. We need more of these. I,

1789
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Speaker 2: as President United Stations, prepared to make that determination and

1790
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: set wages and benefits such that you can go and

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01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: do public service for two three years to help our

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01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 2: nation to do elder care. I will make sure you

1793
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 2: get paid eighty thousand dollars seventy thousand dollars with benefits

1794
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: to go and do this because the nation calls you.

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01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 2: Right now, I am hungry for that kind of a vision.

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01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 1: I think if you did a mandatory national service that

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01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: was bigger than this is not the military draft, you know,

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01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: this is different.

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01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's a version of it domestically, it's saying that,

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01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: unlike a military, would we mobilize people in service, which

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Speaker 2: you know is I'll confuse people on my views on ICE.

1802
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 2: But I do then to think a lot of people

1803
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 2: who sign up for ICE CBP right now see a

1804
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars bonus are motivated not only financially, but

1805
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 2: also a sense of purpose and mission. I got federal

1806
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 2: job protecting your nation. I want to go after this

1807
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: vast majority of them say, Hey, what if I give

1808
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 2: you fifty thousand dollars to be a school teacher in

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01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: eighth grade or do the summer school that we're just

1810
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 2: talking about. Would you do that instead? Would you help

1811
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 2: be a young male mentor for so many young men

1812
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 2: who need it? I think they would be there for

1813
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 2: it one hundred percent.

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01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little geographic tactics. If you could

1815
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,560
Speaker 1: pick the ideal first four states to start the democratic

1816
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 1: primary process.

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01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 2: I got my first. That's easy, right? Where am I going? First? That?

1818
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 2: What are you?

1819
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Is your FORO? What do you think that should be

1820
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: the right test?

1821
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 2: At one hundred percent? So that Nevada to.

1822
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: Start in Nevada first person, are you on the DNC.

1823
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,919
Speaker 2: Did you get I'm removed?

1824
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Removed? Congrats.

1825
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 2: I guess the eurogen has got a different order, but

1826
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 2: I understood and I was comfortable with that. To be clear,

1827
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm just not me upset about it.

1828
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: So I but look, you come for the king best

1829
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: not Missay.

1830
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 2: They do me a service of not needing to be

1831
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 2: I I think that I would love Nevada go first.

1832
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons. You know, I'm an old

1833
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 2: grey guy, and I think there's a lot of things

1834
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 2: about that state that the service it well and in

1835
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 2: terms of a primary the compressed geography is they've able

1836
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 2: to meet and talk to people one to one, do

1837
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 2: TV ads and such that don't blow the budget. So

1838
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 2: I think that that that makes sense for one.

1839
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: I love you're not concerned that Vegas is too big

1840
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: of a market now, No, I.

1841
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 2: Think it's got a lot of working class people, culinary

1842
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 2: you know this. I mean, I love that the labor

1843
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: approach of that is one that would orient Democrats to

1844
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 2: figuring out how to talk about labor again. I mean,

1845
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 2: we don't go through the dough tax on tips. But

1846
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 2: Trump was very loud and proud about the fact that

1847
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 2: that state and those workers in that state have guided

1848
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 2: him to one of his more popular proposals. You know,

1849
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,879
Speaker 2: so I want that to happen. For the Democratic Party Michigan,

1850
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 2: I would move, you know, I would take either.

1851
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: Put the top four. That's a big state to put

1852
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: in the top four.

1853
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. But it's such a again because.

1854
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: I always worry about the big states just favoring the

1855
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: money candidates. All.

1856
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's fair to where in the first four.

1857
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: It's an open question here. I like, I probably put

1858
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 2: Georgia over North Carolina. But between Georgia and North Carolina

1859
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 2: for me on one of those, uh, and then and

1860
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 2: then we got a TVD here on what we want

1861
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 2: as the fourth.

1862
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Well, I here's the here would be My concern about

1863
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: your Matt and and what I've been obsessed with is

1864
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: that I do think what Iowa did do for the

1865
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Democratic Party for a long time is that it got

1866
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: it forced Democrats to talk doctor world voters right, and

1867
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: to go out and it's you know, and look, I

1868
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: understand there's this scar tissue from Iowa and for the

1869
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, two times in a row it's not clear

1870
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: who won. And you know that's you want to be

1871
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 1: our first in the nation and you can't tell us

1872
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,879
Speaker 1: who won twice now, right, So I understand that aspect,

1873
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: But there's also a party building aspect. Right. So if

1874
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: you made Kansas or Nebraska, which could easily both, you know,

1875
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: I could make the case for both of them as

1876
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: an Iowa like replacement. You also might start organizing a

1877
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: state and turning it into turning a state that's light

1878
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: red at the moment to a swing state.

1879
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately that isn't the story of Iowa as we know.

1880
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: No, but once it was there, it was. I mean

1881
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: which case I think? Look, Iowa, New Hampshire are there

1882
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: are two states that demographically don't belong in the battleground,

1883
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: and they were in the battleground a long time. And

1884
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: I think it's simply because they were first in the

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01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: nation states, meaning that voters, I think voters. This is

1886
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: where we underestimate voters. If you treat voters like swing voters,

1887
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: they'll behave like swing voters. And and if you treat

1888
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: them like you know, partisan voters, they'll behave like partisan

1889
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: voters sometimes.

1890
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 2: Right, I'll give you a crazy idea that I've long

1891
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 2: had about this out, which was along those lines was

1892
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 2: to look at highest democratic performance of every state and

1893
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 2: line them up by which state parties. In other words,

1894
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 2: we're doing a great job cycle after cycle of making

1895
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 2: sure that that's.

1896
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Almost like a reverse lottery, right like you you earn

1897
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you want first in the nation, be the best democratic

1898
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: performing stage.

1899
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 2: You have a spot for them essentially, Like you know,

1900
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge soccer fanible from what I understand,

1901
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 2: you know you have like the you know, the second tier,

1902
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 2: the good degas. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1903
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: You want to be in the first tranche of primaries

1904
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: where you'll get a lot of candidates and a lot

1905
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: of money, a lot of extra resources, or do you

1906
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: want to be in the second trants of primaries or

1907
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,679
Speaker 1: it might be a coronation by the time you're your statement.

1908
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 2: The only challenge with my line of thinking there is

1909
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 2: that sometimes sometimes the smaller states benefit, because very month.

1910
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: In Delaware could both benefit.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure right exactly, So I do, though think to

1912
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Speaker 2: your point, I mean, it's making your argument here, how

1913
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: and why you could have a recipe to do that.

1914
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 2: It's okay, a smaller state that will overperform getting democratic

1915
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 2: vote out and will have earned a spot in the

1916
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 2: first four by virtue of that, And I think it's

1917
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 2: not a bad thing to everything that you just say.

1918
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 2: It's probably more you know, probably rule tendencies and now

1919
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: your rewarding states to say, show me that you are

1920
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 2: going to turn Democratic voters out on YouTube and find

1921
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 2: yourself in the top at least have a metric and

1922
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 2: guide for a.

1923
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: How's it likely? Or how about Kansas sixteen sixteen years

1924
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: of democratic governors in the last twenty four Yet they

1925
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: get treated like, you know, as if that that's not

1926
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: an accomplishment worth noting.

1927
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But on this though, the thing I'm trying

1928
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 2: to distress is not that Democrats have held offices, is

1929
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 2: that we're building our ranks. I want to see and

1930
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 2: reward those in the state parties who are who are

1931
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 2: doing an aggressive job of building the people. And right now,

1932
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 2: that was my number one critique of a democratic natural

1933
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 2: committee of architecture is that that is not one thing

1934
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 2: that we measure or assess or reward. If you're going

1935
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 2: to give money out to state parties, do it with

1936
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 2: some metrics or goals in mind, and say, hey, you know,

1937
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 2: you will earn this money by showing me that people

1938
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 2: within your ranks have grown, How have they grown? What

1939
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 2: volunteer capacities have you done? How will you earn these

1940
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 2: dollars not just new dolling them ount.

1941
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: Well, but let's fast forward to the twenty thirty two

1942
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: problem for Democrats, which is, right, the Kamala Harris map

1943
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:50,879
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, if she carries Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan,

1944
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 1: she has two hundred and seventy electoral votes. In twenty

1945
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: thirty two, that same group of states, it's worth two

1946
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine. So where do you invest? Look.

1947
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 1: I understand rewarding those states, but you I think the

1948
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 1: Democrats have to put more states in play. They have

1949
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 1: to start looking for And to me, Kansas is just ripe.

1950
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: I just I view Kansas is really ripe on this

1951
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: issue more than any other state in this sort of

1952
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: mid mid in the middle part of the country. And

1953
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: then there's the question of Texas and Florida. Right, they're big,

1954
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 1: giant pots of money suck. But if you put them

1955
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 1: in play, you really screw up the strategy of the Republicans,

1956
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: right because they count on those two states. So how

1957
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: would you be how would you be thinking about twenty

1958
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 1: thirty two if you were sitting at the DNC right now.

1959
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 2: But you've got to find somewhere in the sun Belt

1960
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 2: to invest in. I mean Georgia. Obviously we're talking.

1961
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 1: Imagine if they hadn't done Georgia, right, and you know Georgia,

1962
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina nour must wins. They're not nice to have

1963
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:56,839
Speaker 1: us anymore.

1964
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 2: And how to my mind, you can't be the SEC

1965
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 2: this year after It's like that doesn't.

1966
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: So which ones would you go to? I haven't been intrigued.

1967
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 1: My my favorite ones to look at that I think

1968
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 1: are organizable probably the way I would begin. Obviously, look,

1969
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: we'll see what Texas does. You know, winning is a

1970
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: big deal, right if Tyllerica.

1971
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 2: Wins, winning is a big deal. But over that.

1972
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 1: Does bring dollars to the state party. I was reading,

1973
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I was doing the history of Texas campaigns a couple

1974
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and the John Tower victory in nineteen

1975
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: sixty one, when Republicans broke through the first time in

1976
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: since reconstruction. It said like that was the first That

1977
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: following year was the first time the National Republicans had

1978
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: ever written a check to the state Republicans in Texas.

1979
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Right like it opened it does open the mind. Coming

1980
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: close doesn't always do that. Actually winning does it. So

1981
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 1: I see the path there. I look at a Mississippi,

1982
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: which is to me when you look at it, if you,

1983
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: if you, if you created a statistic like baseball does

1984
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 1: with win above replacement, when you look at the cost

1985
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: of investing versus the potential for return, Mississippi is the

1986
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: best value on the board.

1987
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how do you think of that as different

1988
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 2: from Alabama? It's compared like we obviously Doug Jones was

1989
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, Center obviously in a bit of a fluke situation.

1990
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, we.

1991
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: Do American voters in MISSISSIPPISPI, I mean I don't disagree that.

1992
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: I think, look, if if you succeed in Mississippi, then

1993
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Alabama surrounded, right Georgia on one side, Mississippi and the other,

1994
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: and then you'll find out. I think Alabama's just a

1995
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 1: little bit different. And yeah, probably not.

1996
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 2: I've been intrigued by more of the labor activity in

1997
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 2: the state. Obviously, you know UAW had Donnam Mercedes organizing campaign.

1998
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 2: There's an Amazon warehouse organizing in Alabama that it was United

1999
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 2: Mind workers who have been fighting over.

2000
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: Shipbuilders down a mobile I mean, there's definitely something.

2001
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 2: I think the labor base started, and it leads to

2002
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 2: a candidate too. So we're talking, we're talking about candidate.

2003
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 2: It's intrigued by you know, Holly Shaffner I think is

2004
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 2: her name. Who's who's running against Tom Cotton the cycle

2005
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. I mean, obviously very very uphill fight. But

2006
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,479
Speaker 2: I love a lover Bio which he's a work farmer

2007
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 2: who you know, who's standing with the farm workers in

2008
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 2: the very economic minded argument. And I'm like that that.

2009
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 2: I like for Arkansas, that's a good that's a good candidate,

2010
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: but I'd like to see it for Alabama, for Mississippi,

2011
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 2: putting forward those kinds of working class candidates that represent

2012
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 2: what I think are a lot of Democratic voters by history.

2013
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we know these about West Virginia's and these

2014
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 2: kinds of states that if you go back to lineage,

2015
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 2: they've been Democratic voters, but they just feel the Democratic

2016
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 2: parties left them.

2017
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: Let me get you out of here. I realized we're

2018
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 1: just going over now, and I don't mean to do

2019
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: that to you. Let me get you out of here.

2020
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: On this, did you have a big preference between Tallerico

2021
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 1: and Crockett, what did you make of that primary campaign?

2022
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 1: I can just tell you. I say this not just

2023
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: as a as a guy who just enjoys a good campaign,

2024
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 1: but I felt like I felt like I didn't want

2025
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: that campaign to end yet. I wanted a couple more weeks.

2026
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just because it was fun. I actually

2027
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: think they didn't debate enough. I wanted a little bit

2028
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: more of this debate. There was a style debate, yes,

2029
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: but there was some issues that were getting lost, right, Like,

2030
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: you know, Tall Rico is moderate and temperament progressive in

2031
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: his in his belief system. I think Crockett is, you know,

2032
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 1: a fighter obviously, but not you know, not Ness's probably

2033
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: would probably a little bit to the right of Tall Rico,

2034
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:32,680
Speaker 1: but I.

2035
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,960
Speaker 2: Think so yeah, Tall in many ways, in my view

2036
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,639
Speaker 2: at least, was embodying a lot of a Bernie kind

2037
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 2: of argument with a different type of tone.

2038
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: Inside, putting it with a religious tone, which is right,

2039
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: Bernie's never gone down the religious.

2040
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 2: Staf Yeah, and so I think I think I was

2041
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 2: very pleased to see that kind I mean, I did

2042
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 2: feel like, here's a guy who's campaigning on a version

2043
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: of what I could imagine Centator Sanders doing in Texas.

2044
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: He's trying to sell Bernie to a different group of voters.

2045
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,520
Speaker 1: Is what I would have got it? Is that fair? Exactly?

2046
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 2: Yes, And he's talked to only about his respect and

2047
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 2: admiration for Centator Sanders. So I think that I was

2048
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 2: there with with Crockett, obviously having gotten Commo's endorsement. It

2049
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 2: felt much more around a reflexive anti Trump type of campaign,

2050
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 2: which does meet a lot of voters where they're at

2051
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 2: of you know, give me that fight in a sense

2052
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 2: of swagger and a comfort and the kind of I

2053
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 2: am prepared to not play by rules with this guy,

2054
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 2: you know. And there's some appeal to that, for sure.

2055
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 2: We can't discount that. But if you're looking for agenda

2056
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 2: of who is thinking economic first, of a fight against

2057
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 2: a wealthy oliguards taking out corporate greed and corporate power,

2058
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 2: that was Talleriico, and I think it's one of the

2059
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 2: reasons that he was able to build all. You can

2060
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 2: look at the Latinos and why working classly. When we

2061
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 2: think of Latinos, they're working class Latinos, right, People making

2062
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 2: one hundred three thousand dollars, often working and holding a

2063
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 2: job and not with a college degree, those folks moving

2064
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 2: back in democratic ten, I think motivated by that kind

2065
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 2: of an appeal and to you to your point of

2066
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 2: value orientation around the religion as well, he.

2067
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,640
Speaker 1: Wins a Texas Center race, or we are we ridiculous

2068
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 1: to think of him as a presidential contender automatically.

2069
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 2: No doubt. I mean that given the the where it's

2070
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 2: at right now, I think both Tellerico and if you know,

2071
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 2: who knows what happens in Maine with Platner, But you

2072
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,680
Speaker 2: have these two candidates that's.

2073
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Pretty charismatic, and they're pretty they've got outsized personalities, and

2074
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: you could I.

2075
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 2: Mean, obviously we'll have to know who the governor is

2076
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 2: to get on succession problems and all that. But in

2077
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:37,680
Speaker 2: the Texas houses problem, right, clearly.

2078
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 1: But I think you take that problem. You know, the

2079
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 1: only way that happens is if he actually won the presidency.

2080
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah.

2081
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 2: Right, but I do think that you know, it would

2082
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,360
Speaker 2: be very compelling and you remember the Obama story well,

2083
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 2: but it was probably too he was the incentiate for

2084
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 2: two years at least. These folks would lily be in

2085
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 2: the Senate.

2086
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 1: For no right, always asks me who's going to be

2087
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee And I'm like, well, none of the

2088
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 1: people you're talking about, And I said, I just sort

2089
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 1: of know that. I kind of know Democrats. They usually

2090
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: want the newest, hottest flavor, and that could be Molly McMorrow,

2091
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 1: that could be James tallerco that could be Dan Osborne.

2092
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, I say this, and I'm like, you know,

2093
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: none of us saw Pete footage as a cider.

2094
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned this earlier on independent side, which

2095
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 2: is true that had somebody running as a third party

2096
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 2: could definitely do very well in twenty twenty eight and

2097
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,839
Speaker 2: be a concern or issue here. But within the Democratic

2098
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 2: Party ranks that outsider, I think, which.

2099
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 1: There's an outsider lane, Yeah, yeah, And right now I

2100
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:39,400
Speaker 1: don't see there's there's no governor that's even you know,

2101
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 1: Andy Basheer. I think some people thought was going to

2102
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: do this, and he seems to be trying. I think

2103
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: he's at risk of losing what made him different, that

2104
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 1: he's almost becoming too part of the of the leadership

2105
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,879
Speaker 1: structure of the party, DGA and stuff.

2106
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 2: Some people don't remember Steve Bullock ran for president and

2107
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 2: when you look at the bullet you know, the resume

2108
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 2: matches like, it looks nice and there's a good kind

2109
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 2: of theoretical appeal about it. And then as you know,

2110
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: you're in a presdential politics butter in a frying pan.

2111
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's a very different beast and you have

2112
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 2: to be kind of a lot of different things that

2113
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to be as governor.

2114
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Bernie is going to sit on

2115
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 1: the sidelines fast is.

2116
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 2: Once you have an idea, Russ, let us know, check

2117
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:22,360
Speaker 2: who should we be getting behind?

2118
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, no, that's the thing, like I think,

2119
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, why shouldn't I assume Bernie gets.

2120
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 2: In, Oh for the reasons that you would.

2121
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 1: I know why he shouldn't. But I just know it's

2122
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: still the most popular politician in America.

2123
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 2: Until they come out with the anti aging pill, which

2124
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: please you know, looking for at Pharma, you know, bring

2125
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: it out, but until I think.

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Speaker 1: Big Farma could do right. You know what, Big Farm

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Speaker 1: has been hiding that pill for fear that Bernie gets elected.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 1: I'll get you out of here on tell me about

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Speaker 1: more perfect union and where people can find what your

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Speaker 1: work the.

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Speaker 1: It's great to catch up.

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Speaker 2: Good talk, all right.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Fast and have

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Speaker 1: a better idea perhaps of where the progressive left is

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Speaker 1: going to go. I think we're still got a few

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Speaker 1: more years of fight between the sort of pragmat pragmatist

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Speaker 1: wing progressive wing how that plays itself out. By the way,

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Speaker 1: a few Reminders of the Week are going to be

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Speaker 1: doing live election coverage of the big Illinois primaries on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. Chrystal is a Decision Desk HQ Jeffrey Skelly

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Speaker 1: will be back covering this and it is it is

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Speaker 1: a feast of billionaire spending, particularly on the democratic side

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Speaker 1: of the eye, on these primaries, whether it's AI, AI

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Speaker 1: for APAC, AI for artificial intelligence, crypto, A billionaire governor

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Speaker 1: putting money in. It's the battle of the billionaire funds

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Speaker 1: in different ways. The question is if, basically, if all

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Speaker 1: the billionaires are the winners, are we all the collective losers?

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Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, will be covering that on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: so keep an eye out for that. It'll be on

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Speaker 1: all of my socials, all of Crystaliza socials, all of

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Speaker 1: Decision Desk, HQ socials. All right, with that? Its time machine.

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Speaker 1: This is a fun when I said, the theme to

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Speaker 1: this time machine is time, and it's when time stopped

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Speaker 1: being local. So if you travel across the United States

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Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty, the time changed constantly, not because you

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Speaker 1: crossed time zones, but because every town kept its own time.

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Speaker 1: Noon was simply when the sun reached its highest point

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Speaker 1: in the sky. Travel west and noon came a few

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Speaker 1: minutes later. Travel east, and it came a few minutes earlier.

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Speaker 1: Each town set its clock literally by the sun right

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Speaker 1: For centuries, the system worked pretty well until modern life

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Speaker 1: made it nearly impossible. And on March nineteenth, an anniversary

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Speaker 1: will be celebrating later this week. On March nineteenth, nineteen eighteen,

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Speaker 1: so just over one hundred years ago Congress passed this

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Speaker 1: Standard Time Act, officially creating national time zones in the

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Speaker 1: United States. And you know, okay, it sounds bureaucratic, but

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Speaker 1: it was one of the quiet revolutions that made modern

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Speaker 1: life that we all enjoy today possible. So the time

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Speaker 1: before standard time, what was that like? Well, for most

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Speaker 1: of human history, timekeeping was both local and natural sundials,

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Speaker 1: church bells, town clocks. Mechanical clocks eventually made time keeping

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Speaker 1: a bit more precise, but they didn't standardize time. Each

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Speaker 1: town still ran on solar time, and by the mid

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundred to the United States had hundreds of local

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Speaker 1: time standards, and that didn't matter until what the arrival

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Speaker 1: of the railroads. We got the railroad problem. Railroads created

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Speaker 1: the first truly national transportation network. That's great, railroads require

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Speaker 1: precise schedules, but the country was still operating on hundreds

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Speaker 1: of local clocks. By the eighteen seventies, the United States

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Speaker 1: had more than three hundred that's right, three zero zero,

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Speaker 1: three hundred different local time zones. Chicago alone reportedly had

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Speaker 1: twenty one differ for local times. You know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: At Marshall Field it's twelve oh five, But at Wrigley Field,

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Speaker 1: it's twelve ten, But I digress. But in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: was it all dependent on which railroad station you were

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Speaker 1: standing in, And you know they were at a crossroads Chicago,

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Speaker 1: So there were all sorts of railroad stations coordinating trains

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Speaker 1: under those conditions. Wasn't just confusing, it actually was dangerous.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, like everything in our country, it takes

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Speaker 1: injury harm to the populace before we do something. But

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Speaker 1: it is worth noting the man who imagined global time,

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Speaker 1: and I want to give a shout out to the

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Speaker 1: intellectual architect of standardized time. His name was Sanford Fleming.

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Speaker 1: Fleming was frustrated by chaotic railroad schedules, and in the

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Speaker 1: eighteen seventies he proposed dividing the globe into twenty four

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Speaker 1: time zones, each representing one hour of Earth's rotation. Today

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Speaker 1: the idea feels obvious, well duh, but somebody had to

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Speaker 1: see it first, so let's give old Sanford Fleming the

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Speaker 1: shout out here. At the time, it was a radical idea,

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Speaker 1: and instead of every town keeping its own solar time,

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Speaker 1: entire regions which share a single clock, railroads actually decided

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Speaker 1: to adopt Fleming's logic before the governments did, and so

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Speaker 1: on November eighteenth, eighteen eighty three, American railroads private entities

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Speaker 1: imposed standardized time zones. The government was not involved. Eastern,

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Speaker 1: Central Mountain, and Pacific the four main time zones of

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Speaker 1: the continentally United States. On November eighteenth, they were born.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to the railroads road station synchronized clocks using telegraph signals.

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Speaker 1: In many towns, people experience what newspapers called the day

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Speaker 1: of two noons. First came noon according to the Sun.

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Speaker 1: Then railroad officials reset the clocks. Suddenly it was noon again.

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Speaker 1: Some people simply adjusted their watches. Others were a bit

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Speaker 1: more upset about it. As you know, we always debate

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Speaker 1: these time zone issues, and we've been debating since we

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Speaker 1: decided to do this. Critics called it railroad time, and

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Speaker 1: that wasn't a compliment to them. It was corporations dictating

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Speaker 1: the rhythm of daily life. See, we're always angry at

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Speaker 1: big entities back then in the nineteenth century, is big railroad.

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Speaker 1: Some clergy even denounced it as unnatural, using religion to

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Speaker 1: weigh in on things. Again, some things never change in

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Speaker 1: our politics, right. One sermon warned that the railroads were

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Speaker 1: trying to change the sun itself. What engineers saw as efficiency,

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Speaker 1: others saw as an attempt to rewrite nature. Then the

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Speaker 1: dangers became undeniable. In eighteen ninety one, two trains approached

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Speaker 1: each other near Kipton, Ohio. The system depended on precise timing.

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Speaker 1: One train was supposed to clear the track before the

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Speaker 1: other arrived, but the engineer's watch it stopped for four minutes.

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Speaker 1: That tiny error caused a head on collision. Eight people

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Speaker 1: were killed. Accident shocked the railroad industry. Investigators concluded the

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Speaker 1: problem wasn't just scheduling, it was timekeeping itself. Railroads began

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Speaker 1: enforcing stricter standards. Engineers had to carry certified railroad grade watches.

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Speaker 1: Those watches had to meet exact specifications. They had to

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Speaker 1: be open face pocket watches, not hunting case watches with lids,

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Speaker 1: because opening a lid wasted precious seconds the pocket watch anyway.

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Speaker 1: They had to remain accurate to within thirty seconds per week,

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Speaker 1: and they were inspected regularly by certified railroad time inspects.

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Speaker 1: How about that for your bureaucredit? See some jobs do

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Speaker 1: get eliminated as technology goes over time. We used to

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Speaker 1: have people who did nothing but inspect watches at railroad stations,

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Speaker 1: and now we have the atomic clock. I got ahead

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Speaker 1: of ourselves here, but anyway, it is fun to remind

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Speaker 1: people that, you know, jobs get taken away and jobs

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Speaker 1: get added. You just never know. Railroad safety now dependent

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Speaker 1: on something incredibly small, a watch ticking correctly in a

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Speaker 1: conductor's pocket. Meanwhile, scientists, we're trying to build a global

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Speaker 1: system of an agreed upon time, if you will. In

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Speaker 1: eighteen eighty four, an international conference adopted Greenwich Meantime GMT.

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Speaker 1: You've probably seen it. Well, it's the world's prime meridian navigation,

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Speaker 1: astronomy and global commerce began coordinating around that single shared clock.

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Speaker 1: But every day life in America was still governed by

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Speaker 1: railroad practice rather than federal law. Now entered daylight saving time.

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Speaker 1: Daylight saving time is an unusual origin story. Yes, Ben

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Speaker 1: Franklin joked about it in the seventeen hundred so our

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Speaker 1: friends at at the movie National Treasure, and in that

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Speaker 1: little one liner that was correct history. But the modern

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Speaker 1: campaign came from a gentleman named William Willett, a British

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Speaker 1: builder who believed shifting clocks forward would give people more

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Speaker 1: usable evening daylight. Well, it spent years from mo in

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Speaker 1: the idea. He died in nineteen fifteen, one year before

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Speaker 1: daylight saving time was adopted in Europe during World War One.

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Speaker 1: He never got to actually see his idea implemented. But look,

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Speaker 1: look what triggered governments getting involved in time World War One?

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Speaker 1: Back then, of course, it was just the Great War.

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Speaker 1: War finally forced governments to act. Or one required massive

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Speaker 1: industrial coordination. Railroads moved troops, factories produced weapons. Energy had

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Speaker 1: to be conserved, and the fuel that powered industry was coal.

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Speaker 1: Officials believed shifting clocks forward would reduce evening lighting demand

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Speaker 1: and save millions of tons of coal. Germany adopted daylight

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Speaker 1: saving time in nineteen sixteen, and other countries quickly followed suit. Hence,

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Speaker 1: March nineteenth, nineteen eighteen, when the United States entered the war,

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Speaker 1: that's when Congress formalized the system. The Standard Time Act

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Speaker 1: officially recognized the four time zones already used by the railroads,

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Speaker 1: and it introduced at the same time nationwide dylylight saving time.

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Speaker 1: So for the first time, time itself became officially federal infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Now the farmer myth. Today, many people think daylight saving

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Speaker 1: time was created for farmers. Oh no, the opposite is true.

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Speaker 1: Farmers were amongst its strongest opponents. Their work followed the sun,

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Speaker 1: not the clock. Cows didn't care what Congress said the

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Speaker 1: time was. They needed milking when the sun came up

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Speaker 1: hard stop. So when the war ended, opposition grew quickly,

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Speaker 1: and Congress repealed daylight saving time. In nineteen nineteen. President

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Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson vetoed the repeal. Wilson believed daylight saving time

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Speaker 1: improved productivity, and according to several contemporary accounts, he also

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the extra evening daylight for golf. Congress overrode his veto. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: not enough golfers, yet in Congress, they wouldn't have done

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Speaker 1: that today, would they. Daylight saving time disappeared nationally until

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Speaker 1: World War Two. World War two, daylight time saving time return.

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Speaker 1: This time it stayed year round. From forty two to

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Speaker 1: forty five, the country operated on quote wartime. When the

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Speaker 1: war ended, local choice returned and chaos followed. By the

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, the system had become wildly inconsistent again. Cities

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Speaker 1: adopted daylight saving time, nearby towns rejected it. One bus

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Speaker 1: route reportedly passed through seven time changes within thirty five miles.

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Speaker 1: Businesses struggled to coordinate schedules, so Congress had a step

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Speaker 1: in again, the Uniform Time Act. Nineteen sixty six, Congress

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Speaker 1: passed the Uniform Time Act, standardizing when daylight saving time

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Speaker 1: begins and ends nationwide. And they've been tinkering with this

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Speaker 1: sucker ever since we used to have it six month

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Speaker 1: and six months now. Of course we've had the mission

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Speaker 1: creep right, keep it longer and longer and longer till

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Speaker 1: eventually they're going to try to bring it all back again.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the law they passed in sixty six did still

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Speaker 1: allow states to hopes doubt, which is why even today

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Speaker 1: Arizona still does not observe daylight saving time. It is

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Speaker 1: for half plus another month of the year on one

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Speaker 1: in the Mountain time zone, and then they're in the

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Speaker 1: Pacific time zone for the other part. Why does not

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Speaker 1: observe daylight saving time? The Navajo Nation inside Arizona does

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Speaker 1: observe daylight saving time. Indiana spent decades split between time

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Speaker 1: zones before standardizing statewide daylight saving in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: but even today standardized time contains a bunch of local exceptions. Now,

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Speaker 1: though it was we did one more experiment, a year

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Speaker 1: round daylight saving time. We tried it again in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy four during the original oil crisis. Obviously the idea

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Speaker 1: was energy conservation, but winter mornings became dangerously dark in Florida,

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Speaker 1: officials called the ending called for ending the experiment. Florida,

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Speaker 1: remember home to two centa Marco Ruby, was the lead

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Speaker 1: center of trying to get kind of goes to standardized

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Speaker 1: time zone. But ironically it was Florida where there was

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Speaker 1: an incident that triggered getting rid of the year long

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Speaker 1: daylight saving Officials called for an ending the experiment after

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Speaker 1: eight kids were killed in traffic accidents in a single month,

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Speaker 1: all while waiting for school buses before sunrise. Within a year,

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Speaker 1: the policy it was indeed abandoned. So for most of

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Speaker 1: human history time belonged to the sun and the local

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Speaker 1: town and the clock tower. However you built your clock tower.

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Speaker 1: Railroads imposed coordinated time for obvious reasons. War forced governments

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Speaker 1: to actually have to regulate it for even more obvious reasons,

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Speaker 1: and ever since politics has been arguing about how the

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Speaker 1: clock should work. Ever since, today the world's clocks are

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Speaker 1: synchronized not by the sun or by the railroads, but

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Speaker 1: by atomic clock so precise they lose only a second

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Speaker 1: every hundreds of millions of years. But the principle remains

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Speaker 1: the same. Whoever controls the clock quietly does shape daily life,

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Speaker 1: work hours, markets, transportations, and even sleep. Which is why

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Speaker 1: this debate is never going to end, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: Congress does, whether they continue to do the mission creep

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Speaker 1: of daylight saving, and the ridiculousness right now of all

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Speaker 1: the darkness in the morning for so many of us

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Speaker 1: on the East Coast, and all of the messing with

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Speaker 1: everybody's body clock. What's funny is that the older you are,

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Speaker 1: the less you care about daylight in the evening hours,

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Speaker 1: And the younger you are, and the more you look

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Speaker 1: forward to the daylight in the evening hours. At least

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Speaker 1: that's the way I remembered it as a kid. Either way,

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Speaker 1: time doesn't stand still now doesn't. All right? I had

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Speaker 1: to try one bad dad joke there at the end.

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Speaker 1: There you go. There's your history lesson for the week.

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Speaker 1: Everything you needed to know about time, Ask Chuck, all right,

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Speaker 1: just a few questions. Do a couple of them here,

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Speaker 1: all right? This one Jay New York, and he wants them.

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Speaker 1: This is a five timer. He has too many good questions,

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Speaker 1: so that's why he makes it. You got to learn

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Speaker 1: learn from Jay in New York. Thank you answered my

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Speaker 1: question recently about the link between populism and Semitism. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask a follow up about the main Senate

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary. The populist Graham Platner continues to lead in

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Speaker 1: polls and earn endorsements despite recent headlines that added to

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Speaker 1: a troubling anti Semitic narrative. As a friend to the

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Speaker 1: Jewish community, I'm concerned about the moral implications of elevating

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Speaker 1: someone with his background as someone who wants to defeat

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Speaker 1: Susan Collins. I'm concerned about the strategic implications of elevating

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Speaker 1: someone who will be inundated with two hundred fifty dollars worth

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Speaker 1: of Nazi tattoo ads. You think the Democrats might be

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02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,400
Speaker 1: walking into a trap here? Or is this just not

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Speaker 1: a saying issue in Maine. We love your thoughts of

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Speaker 1: this unique race. PS. If you answer this, I'm officially

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Speaker 1: in the five time club. Keep me in mind. If

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Speaker 1: you ever do any five time merchandise. I think, look,

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Speaker 1: I need to mess around with this merchandise idea. And

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Speaker 1: so we are officially considered this a We are officially

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Speaker 1: NASA and Lauren. We are gonna do merch Okay, there's

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Speaker 1: too many. We're only going to do fun stuff podcast

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02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:07,440
Speaker 1: time machine, five time ass Chuck. I kinda I kind

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Speaker 1: of dig this because it's it falls under the category

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Speaker 1: if you know, you know, if I can do this

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Speaker 1: without losing losing my shirt. Literally we're going to do

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02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:21,280
Speaker 1: this because this is too much fun. I don't know

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02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:26,840
Speaker 1: is the simple answer here. I vacillate on this. I

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02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of there's a part of me.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, unfortunately, if you don't live in

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Speaker 1: a community with many Jewish people or many Muslim people,

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02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 1: you don't learn much about Islam, and you don't learn

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Speaker 1: much amount of Judaism. And I accept the premise, you know,

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Speaker 1: I sort of, you know, I was I lived in

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Speaker 1: a Jewish bubble, and I didn't fully appreciate that I

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02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 1: lived in a Jewish bubble growing up in Miami. You know,

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02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:57,080
Speaker 1: it was not uncommon that there were six or eight

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Speaker 1: of us celebrating Knikah not uncommon that there were a

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Speaker 1: bunch of us, you know, doing passover. So I never

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Speaker 1: felt I knew I was in the minority, but I

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Speaker 1: never felt isolated. And I say this because if you so,

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02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:14,640
Speaker 1: there's a I want to have, I think that it's

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02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 1: I think if you're young and dumb and you and

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02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:23,000
Speaker 1: you say some things, you get a tattoo, it shouldn't

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02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 1: it shouldn't mark you for life if you don't, if

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Speaker 1: you're somebody who's educating yourself as you go out through life,

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02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 1: and you sort of you know, we've got to allow

2408
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:37,400
Speaker 1: people to evolve and get smarter and the more they learn, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we do a terrible job of

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Speaker 1: educating people about the Middle East. You've heard me rail

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02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 1: about and I put my money where my mouth is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the inspirations for my whole time

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Speaker 1: Machine segment is my frustration over how poorly people teach

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, how poorly we've taught World War One,

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Speaker 1: how poorly we've taught about the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

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Speaker 1: Most people think the Middle East began in nineteen forty

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Speaker 1: eight with a partition, and just so, I mean, in

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Speaker 1: many ways, my obsessions with teaching more history and connecting

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Speaker 1: history with what's going on now are at the are

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02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:14,600
Speaker 1: at its roots this issue and a guy who grew

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02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:19,080
Speaker 1: up without knowing any Jews, and when you don't grow

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02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 1: up knowing a minority group at all, it becomes a

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02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 1: lot easier to turn them, that minority group into a

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Speaker 1: two dimensional figure in your brain. And then it's astonishing

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Speaker 1: that once people meet people from said minority group that

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02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:33,960
Speaker 1: they've never met, then all of a sudden they see

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Speaker 1: these you see each other as three dimensional figures, and

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02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:40,280
Speaker 1: then suddenly the stupid hate kneltes away. There can be

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Speaker 1: some caricatures and still some stereotypes that don't go away,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the the insistent, you know, the constant

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02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 1: reminder of how of which wealthy people happen to be Jewish?

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Speaker 1: What about the wealthy people that aren't Jewish? Does that

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Speaker 1: indicate the Christians control all this money? So it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a really uncomfortable when when people go down that road.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they realize how they're indicting than anybody

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Speaker 1: from any faith, any group of people anyway. It just

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02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:15,280
Speaker 1: it's very disturbing when it gets done, and it's obviously

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Speaker 1: done for some it's a way to try to turn

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Speaker 1: working class and poor people who may not know everything

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02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:26,120
Speaker 1: about the entity about what's being debated automatically against an

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Speaker 1: entire group of people. So I say all that in

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02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 1: that what Graham Platner thought and did years ago should

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02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:40,840
Speaker 1: be a data point, not the data point. It's how

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02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:45,120
Speaker 1: he responds to the attacks. It's how he reassures members

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02:15:45,120 --> 02:15:47,919
Speaker 1: of the Jewish community and members of any minority community

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02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 1: that he hasn't agreed with, whether they should feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: that he's going to represent their interests. Now, you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of this, a lot of this timing matters here, right,

2449
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Speaker 1: What's what's going to be the focal point? I The

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Speaker 1: question is in most campaigns, who's it going to be

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02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 1: a referendumunt? Is this a referendum on Trump? Is this

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Speaker 1: a referendum on Platner? Is this a referendum on Collins?

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02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 1: And ultimately which campaign is able to right? She wants

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Speaker 1: to make it a referendum on Platner if Platner gets

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02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:29,680
Speaker 1: the nomination. Mills wants to make it an electability argument,

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02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:33,800
Speaker 1: which about Platner, which only but it doesn't fix the

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02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:37,320
Speaker 1: perception of the problems that some in the in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic base had with her. So it could be a

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02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 1: problem if he's a bad candidate. It's not a problem

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Speaker 1: if his If he's truly evolved from the guy who

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02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:51,920
Speaker 1: had the Nats, who decided, who made the decision to

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Speaker 1: get the Nazi tattooed? Right, is that you know, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like who is the real grand Platner. We're

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02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna the campaign itself will exp this. Campaigns are MRIs

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02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:05,720
Speaker 1: for the soul, not just presidential campaigns, but pretty high

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02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:11,040
Speaker 1: expensive campaigns are so ultimately we'll learn from Platner and

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Speaker 1: we'll see how he handles this. I've been I would

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02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:17,920
Speaker 1: give him about a C minus so far in handling this,

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02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:21,160
Speaker 1: He's he's done the bare minimum. But I don't I

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02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:24,520
Speaker 1: think they're trying so hard to avoid it that it

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02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 1: because I think they don't have I think he's changed

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02:17:28,720 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 1: the explanation a couple of times, which then doesn't help

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02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:38,279
Speaker 1: the situation. But it's also very possible that he could

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02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 1: not manage this well and still win. That's how much

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02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I think this becomes a referendum on Trump into a

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02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:51,920
Speaker 1: lesser so on Collins. So now, if there's a high

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Speaker 1: profile attack on Jews that take place in October, and

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02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:59,000
Speaker 1: the way things are going, the likelihood of that is

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02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:03,720
Speaker 1: not low. Fortunately, that could change. That could change things

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Speaker 1: in this race, Right, That's one of those where how

2481
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:11,200
Speaker 1: things play out could change things. But in some ways

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Speaker 1: I think he has not inoculated himself enough on this issue.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from laurenem Hey. Thanks for introducing us

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Speaker 1: to the Perfect Neighbor documentary. I was very impressed with

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02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:24,440
Speaker 1: their ability to string together bodycam video pretty seamlessly into

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02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 1: a comprehensive storyline. I was also impressed by the professionalism

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Speaker 1: and kindness of the police towards the community. What a

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02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:31,160
Speaker 1: sorrowful story, but an important one to share in Lauren

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Speaker 1: M Lauren, That's exactly the impression I got, And I understand.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had this long debate with the filmmaker

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Speaker 1: about how should you know? And I think I think

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02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:43,760
Speaker 1: various people view the behavior of the police in different ways,

2493
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. I mean, I think it's I

2494
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:50,840
Speaker 1: think to me it was a reminder why bodycam footage

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02:18:50,840 --> 02:18:53,240
Speaker 1: should be a necessity and there shouldn't be any law

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02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:57,879
Speaker 1: enforcement without it all times. And there's no doubt right

2497
02:18:57,959 --> 02:19:02,119
Speaker 1: incentives when you have good insight of structures, your behavior changes,

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02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:04,600
Speaker 1: and these police officers have good incentive structures and their

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Speaker 1: behavior whether you know. I think it's a reminder that

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Speaker 1: I think ninety five percent of police officers, you know,

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Speaker 1: their intent is to keep calm. Their intent is to

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Speaker 1: be a member of the community, not an enforcer of

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02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:21,400
Speaker 1: law inside the community. Right, So I'm with you. I

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02:19:21,480 --> 02:19:24,640
Speaker 1: think that it's it's a tragic story. I think there's

2505
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:29,360
Speaker 1: reminders of you know, how institutional racism does play can

2506
02:19:29,400 --> 02:19:32,160
Speaker 1: play itself out into society and ways that we don't

2507
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:34,680
Speaker 1: fully see, but you kind of have to experience this.

2508
02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:37,960
Speaker 1: But just going through it and realizing, you know, the

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02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,480
Speaker 1: world that that woman was raised in and the war,

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02:19:40,600 --> 02:19:44,000
Speaker 1: and it just it's it's tragic, but it was. It

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02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:46,879
Speaker 1: was just such a wealthier I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: And this just makes me glad I continue, you know,

2513
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:56,280
Speaker 1: because these aren't always the best interviews for the YouTube algorithms, right,

2514
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:59,200
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But this is why I want

2515
02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:04,200
Speaker 1: to keep fighting to get these important conversations in the

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02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,360
Speaker 1: audio space. Brian from Arlington, Virginia wrights, Hey, I live

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, but loved your recent Top five Texas state

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Speaker 1: y racist. Perhaps you'll add this small twist to the

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Speaker 1: Bush the bench Benson honorable mention story in a future telling. Yes,

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02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:18,840
Speaker 1: George HW. Bush lost had senate race to Benson, but

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Speaker 1: he got more than even Bush Quail Pete to Cockaspenson

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Speaker 1: in the eighty eight US presidential election. Absolutely, Brian, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you gotta love the fact that they've faced off twice, right, Like,

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02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:30,040
Speaker 1: it's just such a you know, I just love those

2525
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:33,240
Speaker 1: little I'm with you that thread. You're right, that was

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02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:35,880
Speaker 1: like the thread I think was implied, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: say it directly. It's a it's a great it's you know.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love history. I love the I love

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Speaker 1: how everything is connectedly one large family tree of American history.

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Speaker 1: Last question before I keep going to a quick little

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Speaker 1: uh my advice for filling out you're into DOAA bracket.

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Speaker 1: This comes from Luke and he writes, happened to notice

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02:20:57,720 --> 02:21:01,119
Speaker 1: Trump's post on troops social today lotting is to change

2534
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:03,360
Speaker 1: the American media landscape, and I noticed you happen to

2535
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:06,720
Speaker 1: be featured. Yeah, congrats to me. I think listeners know

2536
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 1: your opinion on the administration's meddling in the free press

2537
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:10,560
Speaker 1: by now. But I'm curious how you feel about the

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02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:13,680
Speaker 1: President taking credit for your move to independent media. Seems

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02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:16,440
Speaker 1: the Post is suggesting that he's removed your influence in

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02:21:16,480 --> 02:21:18,760
Speaker 1: public discourse, among others. But I wonder if you feel

2541
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:21,520
Speaker 1: your reach has grown or shrunk since the move. Independent

2542
02:21:21,560 --> 02:21:24,160
Speaker 1: media has certainly allowed you to speak more freely, and I,

2543
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,440
Speaker 1: for one, have loved the change. Should I thank Trump?

2544
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:29,760
Speaker 1: I guess thanks for everything you do. You know, it's funny,

2545
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:34,240
Speaker 1: you know you're like, well, thanks for caring, mister president.

2546
02:21:34,360 --> 02:21:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you cared. It's I will tell you

2547
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:43,720
Speaker 1: how I know that I've gotten some really good traction.

2548
02:21:44,440 --> 02:21:53,080
Speaker 1: So for last summer through say, you know, September October,

2549
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:56,640
Speaker 1: I'd run into people who would say, hey, I miss

2550
02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 1: you on meet the press. What are you doing now?

2551
02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:04,200
Speaker 1: Over the last three months pretty much since election day

2552
02:22:04,200 --> 02:22:06,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. You know, it's just sort of how

2553
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:09,160
Speaker 1: I can tell it's building. It's like, hey, I miss

2554
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:12,760
Speaker 1: you to meet the press, but I love what you're doing. So,

2555
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, like everything, it takes time to build. But

2556
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:20,720
Speaker 1: in some ways, I mean, thank you, mister president. Incredible

2557
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:25,000
Speaker 1: endorsement of why you can't trust, you know, they're trying

2558
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:30,720
Speaker 1: to extort the corporations that that that own broadcast media.

2559
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:34,879
Speaker 1: He's acknowledged that I was one that spoke truth to

2560
02:22:34,959 --> 02:22:41,320
Speaker 1: power and they didn't like it, you know, I mean

2561
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:46,560
Speaker 1: it is nobody had ever successfully you know, I'd all

2562
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:48,560
Speaker 1: the attacks by sort of the right wing, you know,

2563
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:50,880
Speaker 1: sort of message machine, you know, your sort of your

2564
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:56,160
Speaker 1: your dumbasses, right the Fox and Friends world and Hannity

2565
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:59,400
Speaker 1: and O'Reilly back before there was an O'Reilly, you know,

2566
02:22:59,440 --> 02:23:01,360
Speaker 1: the ones that that were just sort of like paint

2567
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:06,000
Speaker 1: by numbers there. Every attack on me never was substantive.

2568
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:10,959
Speaker 1: It was always a derivative of oh, I know a Democrat,

2569
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,800
Speaker 1: or I'm related to a Democrat, or I'm married to

2570
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:17,760
Speaker 1: somebody who's in partisan politics, or i'm there were always

2571
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:22,160
Speaker 1: these derivatives. There was never they never. There was never

2572
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:24,800
Speaker 1: the actual substance of what I did. And nobody would

2573
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:27,440
Speaker 1: ever say I was an unfair interviewer. They couldn't even

2574
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:30,640
Speaker 1: say that either. So it was always an attempt to

2575
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:33,320
Speaker 1: do guilt by association, Guilt by association if I had

2576
02:23:33,480 --> 02:23:35,920
Speaker 1: if I interacted with people in the other political party,

2577
02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:39,600
Speaker 1: Guilt by association where I work guilt by association, and

2578
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:41,280
Speaker 1: it was always just sort of ham handed, and it

2579
02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 1: was it was done in such a way that never

2580
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:47,440
Speaker 1: hurt my credibility, it only enhanced it. And this, I mean,

2581
02:23:47,560 --> 02:23:51,240
Speaker 1: my goodness, thank you, mister president. I mean, what a

2582
02:23:51,320 --> 02:23:55,760
Speaker 1: way to enhance my credibility as an independent journalist to

2583
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:59,760
Speaker 1: note that you that you're your claiming you are manipulating.

2584
02:23:59,800 --> 02:24:02,199
Speaker 1: I mean, if I am at one of these broadcast networks,

2585
02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:05,360
Speaker 1: I hate what he did because he's put everybody in

2586
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:10,600
Speaker 1: a terrible position. And again I urge the CEOs of

2587
02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:14,039
Speaker 1: these major corporations that own these broadcast news divisions to

2588
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:18,000
Speaker 1: grow a frickin' spine and stand up and say, hey,

2589
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't always like what they report, but I'm never

2590
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:23,680
Speaker 1: standing in the way of what they're doing. Get out

2591
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:27,720
Speaker 1: your big boy pants and put them on all right.

2592
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:34,439
Speaker 1: Stop capitulating, Stop settling bullshit lawsuits, mister Eiger, Stop spinning

2593
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:44,000
Speaker 1: off cable channels just to appease regulators, mister Roberts. And then,

2594
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:47,720
Speaker 1: of course, you know, what the ellisids are doing is

2595
02:24:47,959 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 1: classic virtue signaling that the worst of all worlds we

2596
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 1: know is going to come as soon as there's a

2597
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:55,640
Speaker 1: new administration, they're just going to cut loose the entire

2598
02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:58,120
Speaker 1: news division anyway and get rid of it, and that

2599
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:01,160
Speaker 1: what the headache. You know what, please just sell the

2600
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:07,040
Speaker 1: news divisions. Just sell them. Allow for truly independent board

2601
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:10,800
Speaker 1: of directors, independent ownership. We cannot have anybody who can

2602
02:25:10,840 --> 02:25:13,440
Speaker 1: be extorted by any entity in government, whether it's a

2603
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 1: left wing government or right wing government, not if we

2604
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:18,280
Speaker 1: want to protect what we care about as freedom of

2605
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 1: the presce. So anyway, I was amused, and at the

2606
02:25:24,320 --> 02:25:29,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, it was in many ways and

2607
02:25:29,959 --> 02:25:33,199
Speaker 1: I viewed it as an endorsement. So thank you for noticing,

2608
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:37,840
Speaker 1: thank you for the question, and thanks for the support

2609
02:25:37,879 --> 02:25:41,480
Speaker 1: and the growth, because this is how we rebuild a

2610
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:45,800
Speaker 1: trusted information ecosystem and I'm proud of what we're doing.

2611
02:25:46,040 --> 02:25:48,680
Speaker 1: So thank you. And with that, let's get to some

2612
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:51,960
Speaker 1: serious business filling out your bracket. Look, I'm going to

2613
02:25:52,040 --> 02:25:57,039
Speaker 1: be very careful here. Here's what I will just tell you.

2614
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,440
Speaker 1: I know everybody will tell you there's always a thirteen

2615
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:03,680
Speaker 1: seed that you have to contemplate. And you know, usually, boy,

2616
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:06,320
Speaker 1: those twelve five matchups are always tough, and you got

2617
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:09,360
Speaker 1: to take a twe this is going to be a

2618
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 1: chalky year. Okay, I put it this way, I am

2619
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:16,480
Speaker 1: the last thing I'd want to be is a seventh

2620
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:19,520
Speaker 1: seed or higher in this tournament, because if you're facing

2621
02:26:19,560 --> 02:26:21,600
Speaker 1: a one or two seed in the second round, you

2622
02:26:21,720 --> 02:26:25,879
Speaker 1: are screwed. The number ones and number twos are so

2623
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:28,680
Speaker 1: much better. There's a couple of stats you need to

2624
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,760
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. Just it is okay to get

2625
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,400
Speaker 1: chalky with your brackets. And here's why. There's some great

2626
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:39,840
Speaker 1: analysis that this year's Bubble teams was the worst set

2627
02:26:39,959 --> 02:26:43,879
Speaker 1: of Bubble teams that have been in contention, meaning these

2628
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:46,280
Speaker 1: essentially some of these teams wouldn't have even been on

2629
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:49,400
Speaker 1: the bubble in previous years because their records aren't not

2630
02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:53,560
Speaker 1: that good. I'm looking at you, Auburn. Their metrics aren't

2631
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:56,080
Speaker 1: that great. Like it just you know, look, you got

2632
02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 1: to put sixty eight teams in and there's always you

2633
02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:01,480
Speaker 1: know where we'll get up. And yes, I'm for ninety

2634
02:27:01,800 --> 02:27:05,840
Speaker 1: six in case anybody's asking whatever it is, I think

2635
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:08,360
Speaker 1: ninety six would would would would take you to another

2636
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:11,120
Speaker 1: adding another thirty two. So I am in favor of

2637
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:16,480
Speaker 1: it personally, but I don't think you're gonna see i'd be.

2638
02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I am highly doubtful. Put it this way, I am

2639
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:23,320
Speaker 1: not betting on a single double digit seed to make

2640
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:27,320
Speaker 1: it to the sweet sixty. Maybe a one seed loses

2641
02:27:27,360 --> 02:27:28,920
Speaker 1: in the second round, but I don't buy that either.

2642
02:27:30,040 --> 02:27:31,840
Speaker 1: This could be the year that all ones and twos

2643
02:27:31,879 --> 02:27:38,160
Speaker 1: make it through the first weekend and a lot of

2644
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:42,280
Speaker 1: the And if you tell me you know there are

2645
02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:44,600
Speaker 1: more threes and fours than there are fives and sixes,

2646
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:48,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me either. It's the top ten is

2647
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,080
Speaker 1: as strong as it's ever been, least amount of losses

2648
02:27:51,080 --> 02:27:53,760
Speaker 1: compared to previous top tens, and the bubble teams are

2649
02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:58,080
Speaker 1: The point is, you know I and the reason I'm

2650
02:27:58,120 --> 02:28:00,440
Speaker 1: saying this out loud because I'm one of those it

2651
02:28:00,440 --> 02:28:02,680
Speaker 1: screws up my brecket every year by trying. I always

2652
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:07,000
Speaker 1: picked the wrong twelves, the wrong thirteen, the wrong elevens.

2653
02:28:07,160 --> 02:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm right that there's a couple of elevens that get

2654
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:11,920
Speaker 1: there or twelve or that. What I'm saying this year

2655
02:28:11,959 --> 02:28:14,959
Speaker 1: is I'm avoiding those double digit seeds like the plague.

2656
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:17,400
Speaker 1: That's my one piece of advice for you on that

2657
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:23,560
Speaker 1: my rooting interest. In case you're wondering. It's always GW

2658
02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:27,960
Speaker 1: basketball first before Miami Basketball, and we had a fun

2659
02:28:27,959 --> 02:28:30,640
Speaker 1: little run, should have beaten Saint Louis, blew a big lead.

2660
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:33,480
Speaker 1: It's the story of my time with GW. I can't

2661
02:28:33,480 --> 02:28:36,800
Speaker 1: tell you how many times in key critical games that

2662
02:28:36,879 --> 02:28:40,120
Speaker 1: GW's blown a double digit lead. I'm still still upset

2663
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:42,200
Speaker 1: about one. Going back to the NCAA Tournament in the

2664
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:44,240
Speaker 1: early nineties against Iowa, I think we blew a fifteen

2665
02:28:44,280 --> 02:28:46,600
Speaker 1: point lead with less than five minutes ago in a

2666
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:50,760
Speaker 1: game in a first round matchup when Doctor Tom I

2667
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 1: think it was Doctor Tom Davis was the coach back

2668
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:55,120
Speaker 1: then who never lost a first round matchup. It seemed

2669
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:58,000
Speaker 1: any time it happened, we were the one that he

2670
02:28:58,040 --> 02:29:02,359
Speaker 1: should have lost and it didn't happen. That's always my primary.

2671
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:06,400
Speaker 1: After that, it's Miami, and then after that, I will

2672
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:09,120
Speaker 1: tell you of the big top two seeds. You know,

2673
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm kind of pulling for Houston. I kind of feel

2674
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:16,280
Speaker 1: like they're the elite team that gets no respect. They're

2675
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:19,280
Speaker 1: there every year, they seem to always get there. They

2676
02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:23,960
Speaker 1: can't quite Calvin Sampson can't quite get that ring. What more,

2677
02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the few guys that seems

2678
02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:28,680
Speaker 1: to have transitioned from the previous era of how you

2679
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:31,000
Speaker 1: do college basketball to this era of how you do it.

2680
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:36,160
Speaker 1: They always play gritty, they're tough, they're physical. It's not

2681
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:39,840
Speaker 1: always the prettiest game. But I find myself I'm kind

2682
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:43,440
Speaker 1: of you know, and you know, I know most people

2683
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:47,480
Speaker 1: either like to root against Duke. I don't have those

2684
02:29:47,480 --> 02:29:50,880
Speaker 1: strong feelings about Duke that others do. My strong feelings

2685
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:54,960
Speaker 1: are always reserved for one and one school only, and

2686
02:29:55,000 --> 02:29:58,680
Speaker 1: it's the school that is in the most unfortunate geographic

2687
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:01,240
Speaker 1: region in the state of Florida, the armpit of Florida

2688
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:04,680
Speaker 1: of the Peninsula. It is Gainsville, the University of Florida,

2689
02:30:05,240 --> 02:30:08,240
Speaker 1: which of course means they're likely going to win back

2690
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 1: to back titles. But with that, there's my unofficial advice

2691
02:30:13,160 --> 02:30:16,720
Speaker 1: for how to manage your bracket. I know, I'm telling

2692
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:20,600
Speaker 1: you to be chocky. Yes, be chockey, be chocky. I

2693
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:23,000
Speaker 1: will say this. I don't trust you, U Khan. They

2694
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:29,400
Speaker 1: seem flawed Looking backwards, it's amazing Duke didn't win last year.

2695
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:36,160
Speaker 1: It feels like, you know, it feels like we're inevitably

2696
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:39,640
Speaker 1: going to see some sort of Duke Michigan rematch. Here

2697
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:42,200
Speaker 1: they seem to be up and above, but boy, the

2698
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Big twelve. What I love about this tournament is that

2699
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:47,720
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see some of these Big twelve

2700
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:50,600
Speaker 1: teams play a few of these ACC teams and Big

2701
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 1: ten teams, and all four Power four conferences are going

2702
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:58,600
Speaker 1: to have eight or more in this sucker. How many

2703
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:02,320
Speaker 1: have three or more left by the second weekend that

2704
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:04,959
Speaker 1: will determine prominence. It feels like it's the SEC that's

2705
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:07,280
Speaker 1: going to take the beat down this year. That there's

2706
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 1: only Florida and maybe Vanderbilt has the capability of getting

2707
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:16,280
Speaker 1: to the eight. Maybe Vanderbilt I kind of like them.

2708
02:31:16,480 --> 02:31:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to call somebody that's essentially a

2709
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:22,840
Speaker 1: top twenty five team a dark horse there in Vandy,

2710
02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:26,480
Speaker 1: but that's probably the only other SEC team. You know,

2711
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:29,800
Speaker 1: you never want to rule out Calipari at Arkansas, But

2712
02:31:31,480 --> 02:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I think the SEC is the conference that gets you know,

2713
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:37,080
Speaker 1: there's always one conference that you know falls on its

2714
02:31:37,080 --> 02:31:41,560
Speaker 1: face in the first first two rounds. Maybe I'm hoping

2715
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,560
Speaker 1: it's the SEC because I love rooting against him as

2716
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:47,120
Speaker 1: an ACC guy, But in all honesty, I the SEC

2717
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,240
Speaker 1: seems the most vulnerably. They're the lead, they're the least

2718
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:54,400
Speaker 1: top heavy of the conferences there. And I will say this,

2719
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I do think the ACEC is getting disrespected that the

2720
02:31:58,959 --> 02:32:00,720
Speaker 1: idea that only do gets to be a high seat

2721
02:32:00,760 --> 02:32:03,360
Speaker 1: in none of the other schools anyway. Just think all

2722
02:32:03,400 --> 02:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the ACC schools feel like they're all seated about a

2723
02:32:06,879 --> 02:32:09,640
Speaker 1: slot too low. But they've been punished for what was

2724
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,640
Speaker 1: a bad year last year. And then you know that

2725
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:15,840
Speaker 1: stuff matters, even if they say it's not supposed to matter.

2726
02:32:15,959 --> 02:32:19,520
Speaker 1: All right, enjoy the tournament, Enjoy the next two next

2727
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:23,160
Speaker 1: two weeks, which are amazing. I'll see you election night

2728
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:27,000
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, Primary night in Illinois, and of course right

2729
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:28,200
Speaker 1: back here on Wednesday morning,