1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Josh and there's Chuck. Jerry is not here. She stepped 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: away for a minute digitally speaking, but she's still here 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: in spirit. So this is stuff you should know. Jerry's 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: looking for love and all the wrong places, right, that's right. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: And Chuck. I was not really cognizant of what was 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: going on when all of this was happening. But there's 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: a period of time where like country was just beyond 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: cool in America, like it was the popular culture. Yeah, 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: I mean I really remember it. And you're, what five 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: years younger at least never gets old. Uh. It is 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: a time that I remember well in the TV show 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Dallas and when country, you know, had these big crossover 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: stars like Eddie Rabbit and Juice Newton and Mickey Gilly 16 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: and Kenny Rogers and Kenney Rogers was making these big 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Hollywood movies and Dolly Parton was making big Hollywood movies. 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: It was it was an interesting time, and it was 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: it was sort of the beginning of the change of 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: country music from sort of more underground outlaw cowboy Johnny Cash, 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Whale and Jennings stuff to the big A 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: M A's country thing that we see today. And I 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: think the transition was kind of happening back then in 24 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: the seventies early eighties. That seems to be where it 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: finds its roots is is in this area of this 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: era where it turned into pop basically yeah. And the 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: transition from um, like you were saying that kind of 28 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: outlaw like hardcore country, um, you pop by way of 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: easy listening, which is a pretty hard left turn if 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: you think about it. But this that easy listening UM 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: was featured prominently on the sound check for a movie 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: called Urban Cowboy, which in one of the more surprising 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: things I've ever come across in our research in the 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: thirteen years we've been doing this. Happy anniversary by the way, 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: um yeah, like right now it's right basically yeah, alright 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: and close enough to that's worth saying happy anniversary for um. 37 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: One of the more surprising things I've ever come across 38 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: is that, since we're talking about mechanical bulls today, you 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: can't tell the story of mechanical bulls without John Travolta. 40 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I know, right, who knew? Not me? Did you know 41 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: that that was tied together intimately Urban Cowboy and Mechanical Bulls. Well, 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: it was a big surprise for me, in a pleasant 43 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: one too, Like I'm still on cloud nine enough for 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: learning about that. Yeah, I mean this was I guess 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: I was a little kid, so you would have been 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: just a babe at the time, So it makes sense 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that this is more cemented in my memory. But I 48 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: remember Urban Cowboy. I just remember it all being a 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: very big deal, like people like Olivia Newton John where 50 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: where people were making country albums that normally didn't because 51 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: it was just the hot ticket. It was a big deal. Yeah, 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: it really was. Um And like I like, I watched 53 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: enough um ME TV and stuff to to to be 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: able to recognize this era. It seemed weird to me. 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Uh it's I think it stands for memorable entertainment television. 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: It's all like old three runs from the seventies. Is 57 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: it a channel or is it like a streaming app? 58 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: It's a channel. Um, we have one of those like antenna's. 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: You can get a digital antenna and there's a lot 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: of like really good um rerun Like, uh, what's the 61 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: word I'm looking for. I guess nostalgic TV out there 62 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: and me, TV is one of them. But anyway, you know, 63 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: every once in a while, probably every six their seventh 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: episode of Bionic Woman or six Million Dollar Man will 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: suddenly have some weird country trucker lumberjack theme going on, 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and you can tell it's like it's because that was 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: the cool thing, right then, you know it was. I mean, 68 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: like I said, Dallas was a big TV show, and 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders was the 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 1: biggest thing going, and and b J and the Bear 71 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: and the Dukes of Hazard and right it was. It 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: was this weird time in America where like the Southern 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: and Western country western culture was at the four it's 74 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: it's very strange, and it coincided with punkin new wave, 75 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's a very weird kind of 76 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: cool time in this country, I think. But the one 77 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: of the things that came out of this, one of 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: the things that was popular at the time that really 79 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: tied into this country zeitgeist that was like the basis 80 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: of the pop culture at the time was mechanical bull riding, 81 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: right that that is some thing you would do if 82 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: you were trying to show off at some bar. It 83 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter where the bar was in the United States, 84 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: and I suspect in other parts of the Western world 85 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: as well, um that that you would ride a mechanical 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: bull wearing a cowboy shirt and tight jeans even though 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: you were from you know, Miami or something like that. Yeah, 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: it's funny. When I was reading this and they were saying, like, 89 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: they have him in New York, and they had him 90 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: in New York, in Los Angeles, and it's popular everywhere. 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: The first thing I thought was, I bet they had 92 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: him in Japan. Surely I was looking. I'm like, I 93 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: wonder if it's just some like throwback retro uh like 94 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: mechanical bull riding trend somewhere in the world. I couldn't 95 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: find any any mention of it anywhere, but surely it 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: is somewhere, you know. It seemed like a good fit. 97 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: But the mechanical bull, if you don't know what one is, 98 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: you're not under a rock. Everybody. You could be very 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: much aware of many things in the world and not 100 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: know what one is. It is. Boy, Chuck, you've really 101 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: softened and Mellot in your old age, I really have 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: h it is. It is a a simulation of bull 103 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: riding the rodeo sport of bull riding. It isn't literally 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: a mechanical bull, and we'll talk about how it's made 105 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: and what it looks like, but you know it's uh, 106 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: go google a picture. You sit on it and someone 107 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: is in control of it on the other end, and 108 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: it mimics the bucking of a bull as if a 109 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: human were riding on it. And they are very popular 110 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: in bars, touristy bars usually and maybe in Japan. There's 111 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: one in New York City at Johnny Utahs. I have 112 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: some stories about later. But um, the mechanical bull basically 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: can be used to train a rodeo rider, although it's 114 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: usually just for entertainment purposes. Yeah, it's really interesting about 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: what you just said that it's used for training. Is 116 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: it's not entirely clear if the mechanical bull was used 117 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: to train rodeo riders first, or was used as an 118 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: amusement at Honky Tonk bars first and then became used 119 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: to train rodeo riders. It has a really hazy origin 120 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: and it's possible that it evolved um in parallel and 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: multiple places, because there there was a need for training 122 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: rodeo riders on artificial bulls because part of rodeo that 123 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of grew out in the nineteenth century in America 124 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: as um rodeo riding developed based on some of the 125 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Mexican blood sports with bulls um As they made their 126 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: way up north in the United States the southwestern US, 127 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: um bull riding just kind of came out of nowhere 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: rather than you know, toreo doors um. It was. It 129 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: got translated into bull riding, and if you want to 130 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: train on riding a bull, your way better off finding 131 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: something to simulate the bowl and learning how to ride 132 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: a bull by riding a bull. You know. Yeah, although 133 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: you know what it did see somewhere and I couldn't 134 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: verify it in a lot of places, but I did 135 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: see in the sixteenth century in Mexico they were actually 136 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: riding bulls. Uh yeah, so that might have just been 137 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: a part of the blood sport of bull fighting. If 138 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: you're a tough guy and you see a bull, you say, 139 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride that bull. Watch this maybe so uh. 140 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: And then the nineteen thirties in the United States, the 141 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Rodeo Cowboy Association was formed, so it was a full 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: deal by the nineteen thirties, the one thing we do 143 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: know is that the precursor to the mechanics, the mechanized 144 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: or mechanical bull, was the bucking barrel, which, um, if 145 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: you could just do an image search for bucking barrel, 146 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: you've probably seen these at some point. It is a 147 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: barrel like an oil barrel, tipped on its side, with 148 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: a saddle on it, and its suspended off the ground 149 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: and tied at four corners with some pretty heavy duty 150 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: tight rope. And um, you would go sit on that 151 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: that barrel, on that saddle, and you would have four 152 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: ranch hands try and throw you off of it. And 153 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: imagine that was a lot of fun. Yes, which I 154 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: mean it's dangerous in and of itself, especially if the 155 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: ranch hands are jerks, but it's a lot safer than 156 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: riding a bull. When you're practicing writing to ride a bull, Yeah, 157 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: I would. I would write a bucking barrel. If I 158 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: was at one of those uh city slickers like cattle 159 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: rustling things and they were like, you want to get 160 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: on the bucking barrel, partner, I'd say, heck yeah, but 161 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: I would. You could not pay me to get on 162 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: a real mechanical bull. Oh, I don't know. I was 163 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: watching some um there's like mechanical bull throw compilations, people 164 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: falling off mechanical bulls. I watched quite a bit of this. 165 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: What's the funniest ones are the ones that happened in 166 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: slow motion, Like the camera's on in slow motion, is 167 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: just the person who is sliding off in slow motion. Yeah, 168 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: that's usually how it works instead of really being thrown, right, 169 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: it seems like legs on there. Pretty not dangerous. So 170 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: I would ride a mechanical bullet I ever encountered one. Yeah, 171 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm not into it. That's fine, I won't yum your yuck. Well, 172 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean there, we'll talk injuries later on. It's uh 173 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, pretty badly. I think we should. That's that's 174 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: it's worth saying. We're like, you can really get injured 175 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: on a mechanical bull maybe not live bul level, but 176 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: don't ride live bulls anyway. Let's just put that one 177 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: out there, and then if you're gonna ride a mechanical bull, 178 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: no that it's still very dangerous and can be. That's right. So, um, 179 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: should we take a break, Sure, Yeah, let's do it. 180 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm not we won't come to blows. It's fine, it's fine. 181 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: I'll just go along one. All right, we'll take a 182 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: break and then we'll talk more about this funny thing. 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Right after this m hm, so chuck um. I was saying, like, 184 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: the origins of mechanical bulls are fairly hazy. Um. We 185 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: are pretty sure that they came from the bucking barrel 186 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: that that preceded them, but it's not entirely clear that 187 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: the mechanical bull descended from the bucking barrel in the 188 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: rodeo world or into the amusement world. First, like Ed 189 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: put this together for us, and he looked high and 190 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: low to find primary source but couldn't find one. But 191 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: he saw a lot of like mentions of a place 192 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: called Bertrand Island, an amusement park in New Jersey that 193 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: supposedly had a mechanical bull back in the thirties. Yeah, 194 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: this was in New Jersey, and I think this is 195 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: what the deal is. I saw this referenced a lot online, 196 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: and there is a coffee table book about Bertrand Island 197 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: amusement Park. And I bet you dollars to donuts there's 198 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: a picture of this rightem cowboy ride in that book, 199 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: because they all referenced this book. But I didn't have 200 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: time nor the inclination to buy this book to prove 201 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: it to myself. But I have a feeling that there 202 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: was a picture of this right um cowboy ride in 203 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: this in this coffee table book about Bertrand Island Amusement 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Park in the nineteen thirties. Okay, I've got a great idea. 205 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: Let's get in the way back machine and we'll go 206 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: to the printing of that book and we'll look through 207 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: one of the books. Are you ready? Well, why don't 208 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: we just go back to the Bertrand Island Amusement Park 209 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: in the thirties and ride the thing. I guess we 210 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: could have done. Okay, all right, let's see that. I mean, 211 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: we can go to a book branding shop. Okay, we'll 212 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: go to Bertrand Island. You're ready, look at it? Okay, 213 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: here we are there. It is there, it is. We 214 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,119 Speaker 1: have definitively proven it. There was a rightem cowboy mechanical 215 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: bowl um Bertrand what year is it? Right now? Uh? 216 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: While I'm looking at my uh shark surf watch and 217 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: it says two. Okay, mechanical bull at Bertrand Island Amusement Park. 218 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: All right, I guess we should just go back, all right, well, 219 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: it's weird that we went back and we didn't ride 220 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: it or getting saltwater taffy or hit the big strongman 221 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: bell like could have just gone to do the printing 222 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: press place. I guess we should have. Huh. Probably had 223 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: a little candy dish with saltwater taffy there that we 224 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: could have gramped. So if you talk mechanical bulls, you're 225 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: gonna hear the name Sherwood cry or come up a lot. Uh. 226 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Some people might mistakenly say he invented the mechanical bull. Uh. 227 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Certainly is could be looked at as the sort of 228 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: grandfather of the mechanical bull. But he owned a mechanical 229 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: bull in his saloon in the seventies. That will get 230 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: too later. But it was built by a man name 231 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Actually I don't know if he built it. Joe Turner 232 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: built it. But Joe Turner and knew my scope at 233 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: the very least, held a patent for this mechanical ball. Right. Um, 234 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: I saw it with my own two eyes, but it's 235 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: from six So Joe Turner definitely didn't invent the mechanical ball, 236 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: though he was an inventor of the mechanical bull. But 237 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: we can say definitively since Sherwood Cryer bought the patent 238 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: from Joe Turner, that Sherwood Cryer is not the inventor 239 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: of the mechanical Bull, even though I believe even um 240 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: Wikipedia cites him as the inventor. Yeah, I was surprised 241 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: to see that, UM, But yeah, he's very widely held 242 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: to be the the the inventor. But he even said 243 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: there was an interview with him in the Austin Chronicle 244 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: in the late nineties where he said he talked about 245 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: how he bought it off of UM Joe Turner for 246 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: thirty dollars, and it will become clear why he did 247 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: that and why that was actually a really good move 248 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: on his part later on. That's right. But if you 249 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about the mechanics of the mechanical Bull, 250 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: it is a hydraulic based machine that has a couple 251 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: of motors on it. It's got a a center shaft 252 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: and a main gearbox that make up the spin motor, 253 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: and that's the one that's gonna spin. It's gonna turn 254 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it back and forth. That usually when you see them operated, 255 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: they usually rarely even go a full three sixty before 256 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: they turn back and go the other way, because that's 257 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: kind of the whole object is to keep this thing 258 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: moving in different directions. Right and it's turned back, and 259 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the other direction is usually very sudden and harsh. That 260 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: is abrupt. There's abrupt, thank you buddy, UM. And then 261 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: there's another motor usually above the bottom motor, and that 262 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: that that motor has to do with UM moving pistons 263 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: up and down. Like imagine a platform that that the 264 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: saddle sits on that the build the bowl is built 265 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: around that. The rider actually sits on this platform. It 266 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: moves from side to side and up and down and 267 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 1: left and right. So you have a you have a 268 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot of yaw control is what you need, UM 269 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to riding a mechanic ankle bull because 270 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: there's also there's pitch yaw and what's the third one 271 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: role role? You got all three of those going on 272 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: in this mechanical ball. I believe right. Uh, if you 273 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: see one of these in a bar, or if you 274 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: rent one, I love that. Ed did the research in 275 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Ed lives in Buffalo, New York and said, and Buffalo, 276 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: you can rent one for three hours for nine bucks 277 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: and it comes with the operator and everything. I heard 278 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: that and then I thought that might be a have 279 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: been a fun fiftieth birthday party, but unfortunately quarantine to 280 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: be like three or four people standing around. That's not 281 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: You could ride it on zoom for all of the 282 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: other party guests. But it is mounted very very securely 283 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: to a big floor plate and uh, it is surrounded. 284 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I think Sherwood Choir would drive around and collect mattresses 285 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: at first, but now they have this big inflatable ring 286 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: basically that surrounds it. And uh, it's got a saddle. 287 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: It's it's usually the horse itself is um fiberglass or 288 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: or it's it's metal maybe, but it's covered in this 289 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: sort of thick padding with leather and then a real 290 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: deal saddle. Yeah, and um, the ones today there, you 291 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: know there. There are plenty built in the seventies and 292 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: eighties and even in the nineties that look like old 293 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: carnival fun house rides. Basically the controllers are real like 294 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: old and Yankee looking and colorful and kind of cool 295 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: in retro. The ones today are um touchscreen. They have 296 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: like speakers built into them. The padding around them isn't 297 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: like a mattress, they're like blown air, like a bouncy castle. 298 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: Kind of thing. Um. So when you get thrown, it's 299 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: it's like doesn't feel like anything is actually kind of pleasant. Um. 300 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: And the controllers are much more computerized and less mechanized 301 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: than they used to be in times past. Yeah, and 302 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: these days if you look at Urban Cowboy too, it 303 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: is just sort of the body if you would of 304 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: the bowl. Uh. Now, if you go to a Johnny 305 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: Utah's in New York or any kind of fun house, 306 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: are you getting free drinks there or something? No? I 307 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: just learned of it, and I didn't know that there 308 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: was still an urban cowboy type place in New York 309 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: that you could go. I think it's it's got to 310 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: be close to Times Square. It's in Midtown and urban 311 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: urban Cowboy bar that's referential to point break. It's like 312 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: man covering all the bases. Um. You they have a 313 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: little fake foam bull heads and horns, and apparently you 314 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: can even find them with if you want to ride 315 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: a bison or or a ram like a sheep, you 316 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: can get a sheep's head put on or a ram's 317 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: head put on. It goes even more than that. I 318 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: literally you there's a hammer head, shark, camel, hot dog, 319 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: banana and then apparently there are there's like the this 320 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: tawdry thread of bull riding, there's a sexual element to it. 321 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: I think, uh yes, sure, I mean Ed ed found 322 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: one of the settings is sexy right right on the 323 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: actual operations of one machine. ED found it was like pro, intermediate, 324 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: beginner and sexy. So it's definitely fair to say, okay, 325 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: And also what I turned up goes way beyond a 326 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: sexy setting. There's there's a penis one you can get sure, 327 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: there's a one woman called Horny Hannah, and there's a 328 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: guy named Randy Roger Boy. So it gets pretty um stupid. Sure, 329 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: it gets pretty like dark bachelorette party really quick with 330 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: when you if you if you wanted to go that way, 331 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: apparently you can you can make it go that way. 332 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: That's right. We were just speaking of the settings. There 333 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: are those automated settings, usually that you can just hit 334 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: pro or beginner or whatever, but you can also be 335 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: in control. And I think the automated settings are much 336 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: more common these days. I think back in the urban 337 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: cowboy days was very much about a human operator trying 338 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: to you know, really simulate a rodeo. For these sort 339 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: of about say pseudo competitions. They were competitions in bars. Yeah, 340 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean there would be like you know, you could 341 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: win you know, a hundred bucks or something like that. Okay, alright, 342 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: so so there was like a competition, but um also 343 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: like in bars, it was you know, just to show 344 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: off to like that was the whole reason. That's the 345 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: entire reason for mechanical bulls. If you're sitting there wondering, like, 346 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: why does anybody do this, it's basically to just show 347 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: off to stay on as long as you possibly can, basically, 348 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: And so, like you're saying with the original operator, the 349 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: operator's job was too humiliate you. That was the whole dynamic. 350 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: You showing off, the operator trying to throw you off 351 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: in a very humiliating fashion. And so the more you 352 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: could stay on, or the longer you could stay on 353 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: despite the operator's best efforts, you know, the more of 354 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: a show off you are. I guess. Yeah, I mean, 355 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: it's not any different. It it's not a far cry 356 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: from any carnival game where it shows some sort of 357 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: feet of strength, whether you're hitting the thing with a 358 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: hammer to make the bell ring or the punching bag 359 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: to see how hard you can punch a thing, right, 360 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: and the ones that you rent today for the parties. 361 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Uh ed described as an all in one entertainment center. 362 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's got a built in p A system 363 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: with speakers and a microphone and amplifier, and it's electric 364 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: scoreboard and timer, and it's just this big thing now, 365 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: whereas it started out as just sort of this very 366 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: very rudimentary, hydraulic thing. Yeah. Um, which makes sense because 367 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: again this is the kind of thing that you can 368 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: rent like a bounty house, but for grown ups, although 369 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: they have little kids ones too. About those. And then 370 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: something else I saw is there's a um so there's 371 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: like the riding the bull version, there's also a surfboard 372 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: version that you stand on. And I actually saw a 373 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: video of a dude who combines those two. Look up 374 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Man dances a mechanical bull wearing best Sunday 375 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: suit and this guy is in a bar wearing a tie, 376 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: not not just standing up dancing on a mechanical bull 377 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: that's going at a pretty moderate rate, and it is 378 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: one of the most astounding things I've ever seen in 379 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: my life. Amazing. Yeah, but there's the version you can 380 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: you can rent that or by I guess if you're 381 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. That is, it's like a 382 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: surfboard and like the bounty area around you. The padding 383 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: is like a wave kind of thing. It looks pretty cool. 384 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Well that's fun. I thought so too. It looks fun 385 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: at least. So if you're going to ride one of 386 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: these things, I will say most of the videos I 387 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: saw at Johnny Utah's among others, is they they keep 388 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: it pretty tame. Although we'll talk about the dark side 389 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: of that in a bit too. But um, if if 390 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: you're going to get like a real ride, then you 391 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: want to go is forward on that thing towards the 392 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: head of the bull as much as you can. Uh, 393 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: you want to grip that bull with your inner thighs 394 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: and dig those heels in and keep your feet ahead 395 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: of you and point those toes. Apparently you want to 396 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, they have a strap that you put your 397 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: hand in and then you put the other arm up. 398 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: They say to hang on with your non dominant hand. 399 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: That's all I've seen. That's all I've seen too. I 400 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like I would be stronger with 401 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: my dominant hand, but I don't know. I think you're 402 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: using your non dominant hand because any stupid hand can 403 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: hold onto a strap. Your dominant hand is balancing. You're 404 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: holding up in the air to balance, and you need 405 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: a little more finesse. That is why, right, Well, that's 406 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: my guess, and it makes sense to me because that's 407 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: my guess. And what you want to do is you 408 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: want to go opposite. That's the whole idea. If the 409 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: bull bucks forward, you want to lean back. If it 410 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: goes back, you want to lean forward towards its nose. 411 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: You want to keep those legs tightened down as much 412 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: as you can, and you want to try and keep 413 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: everything from the waist up as loose as possible. But again, 414 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: if you've been throwing down cowboy boot mugs full of 415 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: beer uh at Jill Roy Rogers, just do whatever you 416 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: want and good luck. So this this advice comes from 417 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: a pro rider named Will Roberts, and um he uh. 418 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: He basically says that if you take each one of 419 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: these movements as like a wave that you're riding, and 420 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: think of think of them um discreetly, as discreet motions, 421 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: and you're just handling each one at a time, you 422 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: could stay on indefinitely. He didn't say the indefinite part, 423 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: and said. In fact, he said, you shouldn't stay on 424 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: longer than fifteen seconds or else you're gonna get hurt, 425 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: like with at full bore. But I think you could 426 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: stay on indefinitely. Well, one of those videos I saw 427 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: was titled something about woman rides bull for so long 428 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: that video cuts out or something. How is that right? Like? 429 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: She never fell off, I mean it was going really slow, 430 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: but uh, you know she she hung in there hanging. Yeah, 431 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure. It depends on which 432 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: one you're rented. Uh, well, if you like we said 433 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: the rental price, if you want to buy one of 434 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: these systems, it's about twenty grand. I saw that too, 435 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: But I also saw one on eBay for the suspiciously 436 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: low price of hundred, and it's possible the whole thing 437 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: was used. I think if if trampolines are one of 438 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: those things you buy and then end up just wanting 439 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: to get rid of, a mechanical bull is probably ten 440 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: x that, you know. Yeah, I don't know if I 441 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: would get on a mechanical bull where someone's like, I 442 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: got a really good deal on it, right, it's basically free. 443 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's take another break and we'll talk about 444 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: to me what is the most interesting part of this episode, 445 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: which is sort of the history of Gillies Saloon. Right 446 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: after this, Sorry Josh okay, Chuck, you promised to talk 447 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: about Gilly Saloon. What is that? Well, we talked about 448 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: Mr Cryer. He owned a saloon. It was really kind 449 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: of an oversized tent called Shelley's and Pasadena, Texas outside 450 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: of Houston, and this was in the early seventies, like 451 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: one and he would bring in country singers who weren't 452 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: big national acts yet, but they were sort of known 453 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: regionally and it was a popular bar, and it was 454 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger because that was oil country. People 455 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: came in with some money and he said, you know what, 456 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: I think the needs to not be at tent, but 457 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: to be a real deal saloon. And he partnered up 458 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: with a man named Mickey Gilly right, and I mean 459 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: he gave him a pretty sweet deal. He said, look, 460 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: I want to build this thing out. I'm going to 461 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: build it out. We're gonna make it a more permanent 462 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: structure and turned it eventually into like a forty thousand 463 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: square foot bar, multiple multiple, multiple bars. Um that was 464 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: basically like a real deal Texas Roadhouse and honky tonk 465 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Um you, Gilly, We're gonna name it after you and 466 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: you and your house band, um are gonna play basically 467 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: every night. And Gilly, did you say that that was 468 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin? No, but he was? He? Yes, 469 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: he was Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin. Um still is possibly 470 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: is he's still alive? Yeah, Mickey Gilly is eighty five 471 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: and he had that big crossover hit with Looking for 472 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: Love or from the soundtrack, right, Uh, I don't Yeah, 473 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: it was it on the Urban Cowl Sounds. I'm pretty 474 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: sure was on the Urban Cowboys soundtrack yea yeah? Or 475 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: is is Buckwheat would call it? Uh booking panubub and um. 476 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: He was no slouch though he had forty two top 477 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: forty country singles in his career. So what's funny is 478 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: if I've read an interview with him, I think in 479 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: Texas Monthly on like the thirty fifth anniversary of Urban Cowboy, 480 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: and he basically talks about how, you know, he was 481 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: looking for love but it was an all all the 482 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: wrong places um he uh he he was looking for 483 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: stardom and he just could never quite get it. So 484 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: I guess he was one of those unsung like highly 485 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: successful people who never became a huge star. And apparently 486 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: he was trading on being Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin, was 487 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: doing like tribute shows, cover shows, that kind of stuff. 488 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: It was doing fine. But so when Um Sherwood Cryer 489 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: met up with him, informed a partnership with them, he 490 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: he became the namesake of Gail Least, this incredibly popular 491 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: honky talk outside of Houston. Um that that became the 492 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: setting for Urban Cowboy thanks to randomly enough uh an 493 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Esquire article. Yeah, this reminded me very much. And it's 494 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: weird that they're both Trivolta. But Saturday Night Fever it's 495 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: tied even more closely than that. The very editor who 496 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: ran that Esquire article was the same co founder of 497 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: New York Magazine who ran Tribal Rights of the New 498 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: Saturday Night that gave rise that was the basis of 499 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Fever. All right, so it all comes full circle. 500 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: I have I printed that out, the Tribal Rights of 501 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Saturday Night back when we talked about it. I have 502 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: not read it yet, And now I'm going to pronout 503 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: the ballad of the Urban Cowboy in America's Search for 504 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: True Grit. And I'm gonna have just both those articles 505 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: sitting on my desk forever, probably, but I want to read. 506 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: I want to read them both because they were both 507 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: the basis of two sort of landmark seventies movies that 508 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: became cultural touchstones, and John Travolta was in both of them. Yeah, 509 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: it's really weird, but it's basically the same thing, except 510 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: one is disco said at a disco nightclub. The other 511 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: one is country music said at a country western bar. 512 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: But it's the same exact thing, same format, love, um, fighting, rivalry, jealousy, 513 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: competition on its basically on a weekend night while everybody's 514 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: getting trashed at a bar. It's just and they were 515 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: separated by two years. I think UM seventy six was 516 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: the Saturday Night UM New York magazine article and seventy 517 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: eight was the one that featured Gillies. Yeah, it's really 518 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: pretty interesting time in our country's history that they're almost 519 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: two sides of the same coin. And again, like I 520 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, this is all going on at the same 521 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: time that like punk music is is saying I hate 522 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: all of you people exactly and for good reason, looks 523 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: so so. This guy can't remember his name. Um, Irving. No, 524 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: he was one of the managers or promoters or he 525 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the Eagles. Um. He 526 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: bought the rights to that article for like two hundred 527 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which is a lot of money to spend 528 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: on a magazine article option at the time. And he 529 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: he just knew that no matter what happened, he was 530 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: going to have a huge soundtrack on his hands, just 531 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: like Saturday Night Fever. Um. And it worked twice. It 532 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: did work. He apparently wanted it to be all Eagles, 533 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: and the Eagles were like, no, that's okay. We suck 534 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: so terribly. We even we wouldn't want to do a 535 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: whole soundtop um. But I ended up being like a 536 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: really great soundtrack. I've never heard it, but I mean, 537 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: just looking at the roster. Kenny Rogers, Charlie Daniels, Bonnie 538 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: rate Um and Mickey Gilly had Looking for Love on 539 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: it as well. Yeah, it was. It was great. We 540 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: had the record in our house. Uh. Like you said, 541 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: they shot the movie, a lot of it was shot 542 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: at Gilly. Uh. That was the bar scene that you 543 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: know was predominant in the movie and the competition between 544 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: Scott Glenn and John Travolta. As you know, they battled 545 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: for for bragging rights, cash money, and Deborah Winger's heart 546 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: and glory of course the well the glory men. Scott 547 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: Um Scott. Yeah, I can't believe he just forgot his 548 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: last name. I think he's one of the coolest actors ever. Yeah. 549 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: Not a Carrodean, No, No, he's a Carredan plus yeah. He. 550 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: I think Scott Glenn was one of those that was 551 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: always I think he was always confused as a Carrodeine 552 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: with a lot of people because he sort of has 553 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: that look for sure. So it was the big success 554 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: of this movie that made Crier say, I need to 555 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: secure this patent because this thing is about to explode. 556 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: And I think by that point, uh, the gentleman who 557 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 1: he who held that patent, Yeah, Joe Turner said well, 558 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: let's up the price a little bit to to thirty 559 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: thou and criers Or still said, yeah, that's don't tell 560 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: this guy. But that's still a pretty good deal. Yeah. 561 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Because the mechanical Bull is basically a third lead character 562 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: in this movie. Debra Winger, John Travolta and this mechanical 563 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: bull El Toro, the real mechanical bull at Gillies um 564 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: and became a huge part of the pop culture. And 565 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: in Sherwood Cryer was smart enough to realize how big 566 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: of a deal it was going to be bought the 567 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: patent for it. And now if you wanted a mechanical 568 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: bull for your bar that you just converted over to 569 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: a honky Tonk format, you had to go buy one 570 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: from Sherwood Cryer. And he made a lot of money 571 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: off of those, from what I understand he did. Uh. 572 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: I think he even won lawsuits when people tried to 573 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: dodge his license. And uh, yeah, he made a lot 574 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: of money off of this fad and it was indeed 575 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: a fad um for sure. Yeah. But like I said, 576 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: you go to Johnny Utahs. There was one on the 577 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: Sunset Strip to I don't know if it's still there. 578 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: There was a what's the name of that place? Another 579 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: canon Johnny movie I can't remember, but there was a 580 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: country western bar on the on the Sunset strip that 581 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: had a mechanical bull as well. Uh, I can't remember. 582 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember either. I Um, I know exactly what 583 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about and I can't remember the name of it. 584 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: It's super famous, right, it was for a while, and 585 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't even that long ago, Like I think when 586 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: I lived there, it was still there super cuts, No, 587 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: not hogs and heifers. That was in the meatpacking district 588 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: in New York. But uh, this is what genuinely kicked 589 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: off that whole movement that we talked about at the beginning, 590 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: with Southern culture and Western culture kind of being at 591 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 1: the forefront and all these people doing crossover records and uh, 592 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: pop music and country sort of intertwining and the lines 593 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: being blurred, and the Dallas Cowboys and JR. Eu ing 594 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: like this sort of all started with Urban Cowboy and 595 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: this mechanical bull El Toro. I would argue that it 596 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: started before that, and that or been Cowboy was was 597 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: catching a wave that was developing. Yeah, yeah, and gets credit. 598 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, like if you look at Convoy, that 599 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: Chris Christofferson movie, so that was a couple of years 600 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: before that, but it was the same year that article 601 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: was published in Esquire, So it was all kind of 602 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: coming together congealing at the same time. Yeah, every we 603 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: didn't kick it off, it capitalized early on on what 604 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: it was coming, for sure, but it came in a 605 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: like at a time when it could still be considered 606 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: cool and a huge contributor to the spread of it, right, Yeah, 607 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: And this was like, it's it's funny, Like I kind 608 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: of looked back with some fondness, even though it's it 609 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: wasn't my scene. But if you talk to any of 610 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: the old timers from back then, they called him Gilly Rats. 611 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: He's real. You know, these these local bar patrons that was, 612 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: they were the real deal. They hated all this stuff, man, Yeah, 613 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: because it brought in all the posers and the tourists 614 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know people people on business trips passing 615 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: through Houston had to go to Gilly And I'm sure 616 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: it just took something that was really sacred and special 617 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: to them and and commodified it in a really sad way. 618 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was terrible at least for a while. 619 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: And then I'm sure it went back to normal again generally, 620 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: and they were still on that bar stool in the 621 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: same place exactly. It's just all kind of happened around him. Um. 622 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: But speaking of that kind of country chic trend, that 623 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: urban cowboy was a huge part of I saw a 624 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: reference to a Fantasy Island episode from called Everybody Goes 625 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: to Gillies. Mickey Gilly played himself and his fantasy was 626 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: to make it big in the country music scene, and 627 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: I think may have gotten it. I think it was successful. 628 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if Tattoo got up on that thing. I 629 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I could not find the episode. I just 630 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: was reading about it, which is kind of disappointing, right 631 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: it comes to Fantasy Island. I wanted to see that movie, 632 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: the Lache movie with Peter Dinklage, but I never got 633 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: around to it. Did you see that? I forgot that 634 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: they made that. No, I haven't seen it. So as 635 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: far as Gillies goes, um, I wondered. You know, I 636 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: wasn't sure the deal and I was like, surely you 637 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: can still go to Gillies. But you can't because Gillies 638 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: burned to the ground. It did suspiciously. Apparently it was 639 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: ruled in Arson and this came after there was a 640 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: dispute between Mickey Gilly and Sherwood Cryer, and apparently Mickey Gilly, 641 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: who had been approached by Sherwood Crier to basically come 642 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: in as a partner on his bar, came out victorious, triumphant, 643 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: and UH ended up on the winning end of this 644 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: this dispute and apparently walked away with most of the profits. 645 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: And I guess Gilly said in at least one interview that, 646 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: um he he expected that it was Sherwood Crier who 647 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: had burned Gillies to the ground in n It's quite 648 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: an accusation, it really is. But I was reading again 649 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: that Texas Monthly article. I think it's called Urban Cowboy 650 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: turns thirty five. It's like an oral history, which is 651 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: the la easiest form of journalism, but it's still do Yeah. Well, 652 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: then I explained why they keep making them. I thought 653 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: it was just like I don't feel like actually writing today, 654 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna transcribe. It's them. Well, you would like this, 655 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: you should read. It's very long and it's really in depth. 656 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: And they talked to some of the original Gilly rats, 657 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 1: and a couple of them who worked for Sherwood Cryer 658 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: have to say like this, this guy was an amazing 659 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: human being, but he was also somebody who would beat 660 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: someone with a pool que if like they were causing 661 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: trouble at Gillies and did do that, and like you 662 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: did not want to run a foul of this guy. Um, 663 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: but was also like a really fascinating, interesting, smart human 664 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: being too. Yeah, shout out to Texas Monthly too, that's 665 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: a really good rag. I really I read a couple 666 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: of things from there for some podcasts we're developing a 667 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and it was really good. They 668 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: did these great deep dive not not oral histories, but 669 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: like you know, long form. Yeah, there's a guy named 670 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: Skip something. Oh man, I can't remember Skip's name. I'll 671 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: look it up. Everybody, don't worry about it. But Skip 672 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: Hollandsworth or something like that. He's one of their better 673 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: journalists for long form at Texas Monthly. He's great. But 674 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. They have a good, good 675 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: stable there. Um. And then uh, they announced that there 676 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: would be a new Gillies but it's not just gonna 677 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: be a bar, it's gonna be a sixteen acre multi 678 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: use development. And apparently El Toro survived the fire and 679 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: they're bringing the original El Toro back just to put 680 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: on display. So I found one reference that El Toro 681 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: survived the fire. It was in the Ocalis Star banner. 682 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: What does anybody in Ocaliflorida. Now I don't know, but 683 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: they said that El Toro survived fire and then it 684 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: was moved to Cowboy Jack's in Woodberry, Minnesota. So it 685 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: looks a Cowboy Jack's. There is a cowboy right, I 686 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: thought so too. Cowboy Jack's makes no men and of 687 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: having the original or El Toro at any point, that's 688 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: suspicious because you would really lean into that. Oh dude, 689 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: it's all I would ever talk about to anybody. But 690 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: that's that's what the Ocalistar banner says. Cowboy Jack's does 691 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: not back it up. So who knows exactly what happened 692 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: to El Toro? That's right, Like, don't get on that 693 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: bullet Johnny Utah's, you're gonna catch something. You come right, 694 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: El Toro, You're gonna catch some Johnny demonic on that thing. Uh. 695 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: There was there were some injuries though that we um 696 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: would be remiss without mentioning there have been plenty of 697 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: lawsuits over the years. There was a woman in Santa 698 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: Barbara County that was left a quadriplegic when she landed 699 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: on her neck. So obviously if you get thrown off something, 700 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: if you land wrong, that can be bad news. Uh. 701 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: A man in Bergenfield, New Jersey, in Bergen County that 702 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: was left with permanent injuries. And then at Johnny Utah's, 703 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: a New York woman won seventy thousand dollars because she 704 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: tore her a c l at Johnny Utah's, and her 705 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: lawyer said this, they just kind of throw people around 706 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: while they're drunk. I think that summed up the mechanical 707 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: bull about as good as anybody ever had. Yeah, that 708 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: was how he described the operators. He said, they just 709 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: kind of throw people around. And then I went to 710 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: YouTube looked up Johnny Utahs and if you want to 711 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: spend some time looking at very bad camera phone videos 712 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: of drunk friends filming drunk friends writing very slowly on 713 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: these mechanical bulls to bad music, you can do it. 714 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: But you can sort of see and a few of 715 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: these videos that would be some drunk lady or a 716 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: drunk guy who was just you know, being kind of obnoxious, 717 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: and you could tell that the but they weren't coming off, 718 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: and you could tell that the operator was would get 719 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: sick of it and they were going real slow. Then 720 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: there'd be like a and just a really quick little 721 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: flick of that switch and it would just like toss 722 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: him off of their real fast. There's no way that 723 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: there's not a term long mechanical bull operators for that move. 724 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: For that move, there has to be I wonder what 725 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: it is. If you know, please let us know because 726 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: we have to know. We got gillid Yeah, that's right. Um, 727 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: you got anything else? Thankfully? No? Okay, Well that's it 728 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: for mechanical bulls. If you want to know more about 729 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: mechanical bulls, then start watching throwing off mechanical bull videos. There's, 730 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: like you said, a lot of them. Uh. And since 731 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: I said throwing off mechanical balls, it's time for listener mail. 732 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: You know what. I was just thinking this could be 733 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: the jackhammers of the next generation of stuff. You should know, listeners. 734 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: Mechanical bulls, I don't know. I think urban cowboys saved 735 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: it without urban cowboy absolutely, I think, and to save 736 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: the day again. And then it hit me, I was like, 737 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: the common denominator hydraulics. We got to avoid hydraulics from 738 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: here on out. I think you might be right. All right, 739 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: so where are we listener mail? Yep? I think Jerry 740 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: already did the China all right, I'm gonna call this 741 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: c I a correction from anonymous. Oh hey, guys, have 742 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: been a stuff you should not listener for years. I 743 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: love the work you do. Someone who was formally employed 744 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: by the CIA, I particularly enjoy the latest episode on 745 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: Havana Syndrome. Have since left that job because of ethical concerns. 746 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: But I've one nit to pick, and that's when you 747 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: talk about people who work in the CIA. Uh, you 748 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: call them agents, which is not right. They're actually officers. 749 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: There's no such thing as the CIA agent. H this 750 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: is this is basically ruined the entire episode for them. 751 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: That one thing. No, they're nice, but I mean we 752 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: always say CI agent because we're children of television and film. 753 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know if that's not even a thing. Everybody 754 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: says that. Uh, they say this. I know the media 755 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: gets wrong, gets this wrong a lot, so it's understandable 756 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: that's the terminology that folks use. But in the interests 757 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: of always learning and improving, I thought I'd passed this along. Um, 758 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: Josh actually did say officer a couple of times somewhere 759 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: in the middle, and that was the exception for you guys. 760 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: That's great. Other than this admittedly small quibble, I love 761 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: everything you guys do, and often use my favorite old 762 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: episodes to calm my anxiety or to help is I 763 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: fall asleep? Uh? Currently in the heavy rotation of the 764 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: max setterm incident in Star Wars Holiday special episode. Those 765 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: are that that will calm you down for sure. Yeah, 766 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: thanks very much for reading the message. All the best, 767 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: Anonymous and uh. Initially Anonymous said maybe use my initials 768 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: because it might be a little paranoid about this being 769 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: former CIA, but then they said, you know, how about 770 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: just no initials. I think that's smart. Just go with 771 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: anonymous exactly. In fact, I made this whole thing up. 772 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: There is no former officer that left for ethical concerns. 773 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: This listener mail will self destruct in three seconds. Two one. Well, 774 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with us, we 775 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: love hearing from people, whether they are from the CIA 776 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: or the n s A or the FBI. Who else, 777 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: chuck oh a t F sure and that's it, no 778 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: one else? Okay, Um, if you want to get in 779 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: touch with us and send us some trade secrets, we 780 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: would love to hear that stuff. You can wrap it up, 781 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: send it in an email off to Stuff podcast at 782 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you should know is a 783 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, 784 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 785 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.