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Speaker 1: to preview a hard NFL draft to predict. Two years ago,

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Speaker 1: to you, Mike. It was a pleasure to meet and

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Speaker 1: listen to you. Now time for my final pre draft

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Speaker 1: podcast with Dave Lapham, which is typically one of the

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Speaker 1: know who lap thinks the Bengals are going to pick.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you in advance that we make our predictions

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Speaker 1: about forty two minutes in to an hour conversation, and

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Speaker 1: we answered the questions you submitted on Twitter right after that.

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Speaker 1: But Dave Lapham is one of the world's best storytellers,

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Speaker 1: by turning the clock back to your draft. It took

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take the cornerback that the best cornerback available,

430
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: particularly if one slides, it's gonna be very interesting. I

431
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: think there's depth at corner. There's depth at edge rush guy. UM.

432
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 1: I could see them evaluating a three technique if one

433
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: of those guys from Georgia for some reason slides down

434
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: that far, they have to be in that bucket. So

435
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to you gotta figure if Booth

436
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: is there and uh, Kira Lee Elam is there, and

437
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: George karloftis is there, and Dax Hill is there you know, um,

438
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: and then Davante Wyatt is there. That's that's five right

439
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: there where you're thinking, I mean I might be able

440
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: to do I take one of them, or if somebody

441
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: is going to give me a call on our ot

442
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: to move back down back that far. And I just

443
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: picked the Jets just because they had two. And I'm thinking,

444
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, they may decide, Okay, let's let's move up

445
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: and use one of our third and our second and

446
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 1: fourth round picks, or our second round picks, move up,

447
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: give up a fourth and a fifth because they have

448
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: a bounty of draft picks. I just use them as

449
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: an example. There are others. It's going to be very interesting.

450
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: I think it is. It's going to be a very

451
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: very interesting draft. And I think you know, Duke's going

452
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: to be buy the phone right up until the last minute,

453
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: evaluating calls to come in. Who's offering the best deal?

454
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: How far back do I have to go? How many

455
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: people do we have in this bucket where I can

456
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back. You know, ten spots.

457
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: If I only got four in the bucket, I'm rolling

458
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: the dice. Because I heard Bill Polian on Sally's radio

459
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: show XM Series Radio NFL Radio and uh and he

460
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: said his experiences are if you move back and you

461
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: only have two guys that you feel comfortable moving back.

462
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Eighty five percent of the time they're gone. They're gone.

463
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: So you know, you do, you do? You do have

464
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: to play a sound numbers game, and you have to

465
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: have a really good feel for what everybody is going

466
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: to be taken or expected to take before you get

467
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: that pick. You're moving back to it, that's for sure.

468
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: All right, Let's circle back to Tyler Linderbaum because he

469
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: has been the most commonly mentioned name in the various

470
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: mock drafts, including some of the most prominent draft gurus

471
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: out there. How good is Tyler Linderbaum In your opinion?

472
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: I think he's a very good football player, you know.

473
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: I think he's he's outstanding. Actually, in my opinion, I

474
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: think he's uh. He finishes as well as anybody, I

475
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: mean finishing blocks his lateral movement. I've seen the guy

476
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: be able to reach a three technique. Now you know

477
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: the center of the right guard. The three technique is

478
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: on the outside shoulder of the right guard, and Tyler

479
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: Lindebaum can go latterly nine in the line of scrimmage

480
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: to get position to block that guy in the outside

481
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: of a guy one removed from him at the line

482
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So he's he's extraordinary with his footwork and

483
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: the thing that I like about him, you know, he

484
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: has the short arms. There's no way to get around

485
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: that thirty one and a half or whatever it is.

486
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: And he's under three hundred pounds, right, and he's two

487
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: ninety three or whatever, he is, two ninety six, whatever

488
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: the heck he is. But the dude was a state

489
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: wrestling champion. So he knows how to operate in the box.

490
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: He knows how to operate in tight quarters. He understands leverage,

491
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: he understands you know, body mechanics. His pad level is

492
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: always low. You know, he's got a lot of traits

493
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: that can overcome the short arms, and he's done it.

494
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played at a really high level. He's

495
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: captain you know, the football team. He fits, he fits

496
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: all those uh, all those kind of things they say,

497
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, they say he's a he's a great kid.

498
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I would it sounds like he's one of those guys

499
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: that you know, would would just assume, you know, bite

500
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: your arm off like a Tim Crumber. I'd love to

501
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: see Linderbaum and Tim crumbry in a rookie camp going

502
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: against each other. It would be two wrestlers, you know,

503
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: that are fierce competitors, fight to the finish. Who's going

504
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: to finish whom. I think he's got that cut type

505
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, that type of play to him.

506
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean what Pro Football Focus the highest rated center

507
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: they've ever had, correct, And I think he's the highest

508
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: rated in went the last ten years. I think I

509
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: read somewhere by you know, taking all these different uh

510
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: scouting department or scouting services that different teams use, he's

511
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: the highest rated one. So I mean, the kid can play.

512
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: And let's face it, a guy who I really respect

513
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: as a football man, Paul Brown. First guy he picked

514
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: was a center because he had a very simple explanation.

515
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: Two people handle the football every snap, the quarterback in

516
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: the center, and I want to have that battery solidified.

517
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I want to have the center and I want to

518
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: have a quarterback. So it does make a lot of sense,

519
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you have to have an intelligent guy.

520
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: Lyndon Bonum does a great job with the calls and

521
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: identifications and all the things that go on there. And

522
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: one of the highest compliments, maybe if not the highest

523
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: ever got was when Blair Bush blew his knee out

524
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: and missed. Didn't blow it out totally, but missed like

525
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: four games. And Bob Johnson had already lost a bunch

526
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: of weight in retirement and they were thinking about bringing

527
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: them back. They brought him back the snap for field

528
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: goals and extra points. They had me play center, and

529
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I'd never played it high school, college or NFL, never

530
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: played in a game. I had taken some snaps in

531
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: practice try to get ready for it, but I really,

532
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I meshed. It worked for me at center.

533
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: And one of my all time highest football compliments was

534
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: Paul Brown coming up to me in the locker room

535
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: and saying, congratulations, young man, I think center might be

536
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: your best position. You've played outstanding football for us. So

537
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: you just you just never know, you know. And that's

538
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: why I mean, a guy that's performed like that for

539
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of snaps, a bunch of games

540
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: at IOWA, he's played hurt, he's tough, really good player,

541
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously the knock that you can have

542
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: on him or two things short arms and no position versatility.

543
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Those are the two things that people are gonna you know,

544
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: harp on. I guess The last time the Bengals drafted

545
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman who became a Pro bowler was with

546
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Wittworth in two thousand and six. Now, Andre Smith

547
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: had a long NFL career, certainly wouldn't call him a bust.

548
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams is certainly doing well. You know, he's a

549
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: solid starter. Hopefully he can blossom still into a pro bowler.

550
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: But there have been some notable misses. Obviously Cedric Albwahi,

551
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Billy probably Spoth first round draft picks who didn't pan out.

552
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: Any theories to why it's been so long since the

553
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Bengals drafted an offensive lineman who lived up to uh,

554
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: you know that status and became a pro bowler, Yeah,

555
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: it's it is. It is a crapshoot. I mean, I

556
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: think if you look at you look at all the

557
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: offensive lineman over those same years they were drafted in

558
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: the first round and the number of them they panned

559
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: out to be, you know, Pro Bowl type players, it's

560
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: just such an inexact science, you know. I mean, it's

561
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: it's uh, there's there's all kinds of elements, all kinds

562
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: of factors involved. Um, sometimes a guy, a guy has

563
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: better coaching in college than he had in the NFL.

564
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the case with what's happened with

565
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, but for whatever reason, the guy responded

566
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: to coaching and techniques or whatever in the college level.

567
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: You got to the National Football League and he didn't.

568
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it's just a matter of a guy

569
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: not being able to able to adjust to the next

570
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: level of competition. And it's it's funny how if you've

571
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: your whole life, you've been able to win, you know, battles,

572
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: individual battles, win a lot of games, and win your matchup.

573
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden you get to a situation where, well,

574
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: that's I think Jackson Carmen's going through that a little bit.

575
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: I think in high school and college he was a

576
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: man amongst boys. Now he's a man amongst other men,

577
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and there's a little adjustment there. So you know, hopefully

578
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: that he's he's learned that he's experienced it for a

579
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: whole year and now he's you know, learned the techniques

580
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: for a whole year. And a lot of guys make

581
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: that adjustment and from year one to year two, it's like, wow,

582
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: it's a totally different guy, and if they don't, it's like,

583
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: how's their career going to pan out? So, yeah, there's

584
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: so many variables to it and so many factors involved. Um,

585
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: it's never it's never just one thing, you know, for

586
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: for every guy, it's not. It's not just oh he

587
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't he'd lacked this, or he'd lacked that. It's it's

588
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: weird how it's there's a lot of pieces and if, uh,

589
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: if all the stars don't align, sometimes it can be

590
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: it can be a disaster or a mess. That's why

591
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: it's it's such an inexact science. I mean, man, it's

592
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: there's there's absolutely there's very little science to it. I think,

593
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's a there's there's a lot of environmental things.

594
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that go into it, that's

595
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: for sure. So most of the mock draft that don't

596
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: have the Bengals selecting lender Bomb have them taking a cornerback.

597
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: From two thousand and six to two thousand and sixteen,

598
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: they took a cornerback in the first round five times

599
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: in ten drafts. How likely is it, in your opinion

600
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: that the thirty first pick in the draft is a cornerback.

601
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I think it's very likely. You know, I think that, Um,

602
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, if if you look at it the way,

603
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: the if, the if, the Bengals are attack one side

604
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: of the football and free agency, they normally attack the

605
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: other side in the draft. So you know, like the

606
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: last last two drafts were offensive orientation because the defense

607
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: was addressed so heavily in free agency. Offense was dressed

608
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: addressed heavily in free agency. Hayden Hurst the three linemen, Um,

609
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: you know that's that's that's a big, big expenditure and

610
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: a big, big focus on improving upfront for the Cincinnati

611
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: Bengals offense. YEA, if I'm if I'm a defensive coach,

612
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking two out of our first three picks should

613
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: be on the defensive side of the football. Um, you know,

614
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: maybe even all three of them. You might be thinking.

615
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: If you're a defensive coach, I think that it makes

616
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: sense that that the cornerback position would be Like Duke

617
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Tobin said, you know, you don't have to be basically

618
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing or you know, interpreting, Um, you don't have

619
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: to be a football Einstein to realize they need cornerback help.

620
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, if a guy like Andrew Booth is there.

621
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't see how they how they don't do it potentially,

622
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: Kayer Elam, Um, you know, it's it's very interesting. I

623
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: think I think if they if they trade down, though,

624
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: I still think they can get a good corner um

625
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: and if they can still get a decent corner and

626
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: pick up an extra fourth round pick in the top

627
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: ten of the fourth round, make that deal. If that

628
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: deals there would be made. So you mentioned Andrew Booth

629
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: and Kayre Elam. Booth is from Clemson, Kayrie Elam is

630
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: from Florida. A couple of the other names that come

631
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: up are Kyler Gordon from Washington, Roger McCreery from Auburn.

632
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: And everybody seems to think that Sas Gardner, Derek Stingley,

633
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and Trent McDuffie will be gone. So let's say Elam

634
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: and Booth are gone, Gordon and McCrary are still there.

635
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Is that the scenario where you say, at that point

636
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: trade down you'll still probably be able to get one

637
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: of those guys. Yep, yeah, I think I think if

638
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: you trade down to still top of the second round,

639
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: I think you can still get get those guys. I

640
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: think they're mid two guys. You know, I mean, I'm

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00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: not saying you wait to they're gone by mid two,

642
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: but I think they're I think they're you know, second

643
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: round more second round kind of guys. Uh. And then

644
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean a guy that this is further

645
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: down the road and you saw this guy and you know,

646
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking five eight, one hundred and seventy four pounds

647
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones from Houston though. That dude is physical man.

648
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: He plays and he's got nine returns for touchdowns, six

649
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: kickof returns, three partner turns. I'm looking at that and say,

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00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean you get get a little double dip award.

651
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he won the Paul Horning Award most Versatile

652
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: College football Player. Position versatility Mike Hilton, you know, gives

653
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: you that this this guy could be like a backup

654
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: to what Mike Hilton can can provide for you a

655
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Speaker 1: little bit um and then you know we're not even

656
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: talking about three techniques. I mean, if if like I said,

657
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: if if DeVante Wyatt is there, I mean you got

658
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: to you gotta think about that bad boy. And then

659
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: and then later on, if you trade down into the

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: second round, a guy like Perry and Winfrey out of Oklahoma, big,

661
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: big body, long arms. Man, he's like he's a little stiff.

662
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: His lower body's pretty stiff. But man telling you, man,

663
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: when you've got a guy Mike, I hated guys that

664
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: could lock out those big arms and it was like

665
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: you were blocked in an octopus and you could never

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: get to their body, you know. And this guy has

667
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: that type of look when I you know, you watch

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00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: him on tape, it's like, dude, this this guy is

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Speaker 1: a is a big old beast. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You start thinking about Trey McBride in the second round

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00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: at tight end, not a first round. I wouldn't go

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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: thirty one, but if you trade back, you go with

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: the best tight end, and a lot of people's mind

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Tray McBride as a tight end potentially. I mean, there's

675
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: there's places they can go for sure, and I've got

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00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, well, edge rushers, yea. People. Edge rushers are

677
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: so important because the best way you can improve your secondary,

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00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: The quickest way you can improve your secondary is get

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00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: a better pass rush and make them have to cover

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: for less time. That's the bottom line. Because it's in

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Speaker 1: this league now, the way teams use personnel groupings, formations,

682
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: sophistication of all that personnel and the way they'll switch chains,

683
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: temple on you. Sometimes you can't roll guys in there,

684
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: but when you can roll guys in there, you've got

685
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: to because in the NFL, in the fourth quarter of

686
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: some games it looks like seven on seven, the pass

687
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: rush is gassed, and it's like they don't have offensive

688
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: and defensive linement. It's just you know, you get linebackers

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00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: and secondary people covering backs and tight ends and receivers,

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00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: and they they can't. It's impossible well to cover that long.

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00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: So if you can have you know, literally too deep,

692
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: but every rush position you have and roll guys in there,

693
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: you can never have. Not only used to be you

694
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: can never have enough good cover guys, you can never

695
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: have enough good coiner. Now you can never have enough

696
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: good cover guys, and you can never have enough good rushers.

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00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: So Bengals addressed that edge, edge pass, edge pass rush.

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Speaker 1: If the best guy available if you do trade down

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Speaker 1: is an edge guy, or the best guy available at

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Speaker 1: thirty one is an edge guy. If Karloftus is there

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00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: at thirty one, I'd take him. I'd take him. He's

702
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: a bigger version of the H Boys. You know, the energy,

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00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm, the doggedly determined, you know, never quit and

704
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: a play my motor never stops running. That's what this

705
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: guy is and he's a bigger version of it. Would

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00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: be special. K meets H Boys with Karloftus. Is safety

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00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: in play at thirty one? Specifically if Taxton Hill from

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Speaker 1: Michigan or Lewis Scene from Georgia is there, well that

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00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: that would be interesting because I do think those type

710
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: of safeties are are what Louiana Rumo is looking for

711
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: because they can play slot as well. I mean, they

712
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: both have extreme position versatility, seeing will not your teeth loose,

713
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. Um and Hill is he's gifted.

714
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: He's a talented kid. If they take one of those

715
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Speaker 1: guys in the first round, is the handwriting on the

716
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: wall that Jesse Bates will not get an extension before

717
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: July thirty first, that's a you know, you'd have to wonder.

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00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: You'd have to wonder about that, UM, and that would

719
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: that might be a factor in whether you go there

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Speaker 1: or not. UM And you might say, okay, well, these

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00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: guys obviously they're worthy of the they're in the bucket

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Speaker 1: for the thirty first pick, but we have other guys

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00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: in the bucket too, Uh, do we have a bigger

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00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: need than safety? Well, the big variable is not if

725
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: we signed Jesse Bates, but if we don't signed Jesse Bates,

726
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: we have a huge need. So that that one's very

727
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: very interesting if a pick like that is made. But

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: if you trade back and one of those guys is there,

729
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: if your board said that, you know, Hill and Scene

730
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: are much better than what's there. Trading back into the forties,

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Speaker 1: I mean into the higher thirties, you're gonna pull the trigger.

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00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's no doubt. How about guard Zion Johnson

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Speaker 1: Kenyon Green. Those are two names that have kind of

734
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Speaker 1: mentioned in that twenty to thirty pick in the draft range.

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Speaker 1: Should the Bengals pull the trigger on one of those

736
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Speaker 1: guys if they're there, Well, the thing is, you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of marks that you look at they're not there,

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Speaker 1: you know. So if they're there, I mean they're gonna

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00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: be in the bucket. They gotta be gonna be guys

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00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: that that you have to think about because they're they're

741
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: very very proficient. I mean they're both. It's interesting though

742
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: a lot of these a lot of these linemen and uh,

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00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna put m Raymond, the big kid

744
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: from Central Michigan, Bernard Raymond from Norway, Denmark wherever he's from.

745
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: He was a tight end initially and he's moved into tackle.

746
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: He's another one. A lot of these guys over extend,

747
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, they they lean, they almost dive sometimes. Like

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00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: for ast athletic as some of these guys are, they're

749
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: on the ground a lot, you know, But a guy

750
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: like Frank Pollack could correct that very quickly. I think

751
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: that's a very very fixable, uh technique to be taught, mechanics,

752
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: to be taught whatever. Yeah, I mean, those guys are

753
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: in the bucket. But in my mind, you you have

754
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: your bucket and then you have your need bucket. So

755
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: you have like you've got the bucket of players on

756
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: your big board, and then you have your needs. And

757
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: after what you did in free agency, you get in

758
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: a couple of actually three interior well three two interior

759
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: and one on the edge offensive lineman. Both have position

760
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: versatility and in terms of one can play both guards.

761
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, he can kapit, can play right or left.

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00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: He's a predominantly a right guard, and you got h

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00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that can play center and left

764
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: guard and right guard. He's played, he's played all for

765
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots and and Miami Dolphins, Ted Carress.

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00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got some versatility there. I just I

767
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: just think if if the Bengals took a guard at

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00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: thirty one, I think the defensive coaches that have mutiny

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00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: to only happened once in team history, with Kevin Zeitler said,

770
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: we know the history and not taking guards in the

771
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: first round, right right, And if they you know, if

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00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: they moved back, it would have to be you know,

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00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: there's there's a very very slim chance. I think they

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00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: go that route until later in the draft, and there's

775
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: good ones to get later in the draft. Bernard Raymond,

776
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: by the way, is from Austria. The offensive lineman who

777
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: played at Central Michigan. His offensive line coach is now

778
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line coaching use interesting hire for Luke Fickel

779
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: and the Bearcats. So you've touched down this who is

780
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: the guy that if he's there unexpectedly, the Bengals jump

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00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: for joy in the draft room and rush to the

782
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: podium to make that pick. For me, it's Karloftus. I mean,

783
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: if he's there, I've seen him. But again with him,

784
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: I've seen him at fifteen, I've seen him at the

785
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: end of the first round. I've seen him not draft

786
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: in the first round. I mean, there's no there are

787
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: such diverse opinions on a lot of these a lot

788
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: of these top prospects. I mean, he's basically in a

789
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: lot of people's estimation the fifth edge rush guy. You know,

790
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: they've they've got others rated ahead of him, And I

791
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: can understand from an athletics standpoint, but he is athletic.

792
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: He's not a freaky athlete like some of these edge

793
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: guys are, but he is. He's very well put together,

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00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: very much, very muscular, very muscular, and his lower body

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00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and legs. Uh, he's he's he's a tough kid. His

796
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: thing the thing that you look and he'll he caused

797
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of pressures, didn't finish as many sacks age

798
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: you'd hope, didn't convert to sacks, So he didn't finish

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00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: him uh at the level that a lot of the

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Speaker 1: other guys did. Maybe because of that's a little bit

801
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: of the athleticism. But man, I'll say, this guy just

802
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: plays so damn hard. You know. I just every single

803
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: every single play that you watch him and say, oh

804
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: my gosh, man, he's emptying the old effort bucket. And

805
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: that's a guy that I think would would help on

806
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: the edge. And he's got some position versatility to him too.

807
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: You can kick him inside. They kick Sam Hubbard inside.

808
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: He's a bigger, bigger guy physically than than than Sam is.

809
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: So that that's one that uh, that's one that I

810
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: think about running to the up to the table with,

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00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And maybe DeVante Wyatt right behind that,

812
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: the interior defensive lineman from Georgia thus three technique in

813
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, I mean, he's he's a freak of zoid.

814
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, potentially both of the

815
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: interior defensive linemen for Georgia could be gone too much's defense.

816
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're all first round draft picks. It's unbelievable

817
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: scene when you're just an incredible hitter and just they'll

818
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: loosen every twoth year of in your mouth. He's incredible.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna get to ask lap questions that

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Speaker 1: came in on Twitter momentarily. But first, this is always

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Speaker 1: one of the most downloaded podcasts of the year. Because

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Speaker 1: of your history in predicting who the Bengals select in

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00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: the first round, it's going to be tougher this year

824
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: at number thirty one. But you had Kevin Zeitler when

825
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: everybody else was saying David de Castro. You had Tyler

826
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Eiffert when people were predicting that the Bengals were going

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00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: to take a safety that year. You had John Ross

828
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: a few years ago where defensive line was the most

829
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Speaker 1: common prediction. So here we go, with the thirty first

830
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Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty two nf WELL Draft, the

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00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals select, I think they they there's a trade.

832
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: The commissioner takes an envelope and there's a trade, and

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00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I do think there's a very very strong chance that

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Speaker 1: they consummate a trade and uh, you know, and trade

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Speaker 1: back with the with the pick. Duke's done it, you

836
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: know many times with this number pick thirties to forties,

837
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Speaker 1: kind of kind of scenario, And it would not surprise

838
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: me because I do think that, like we talked about,

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00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the bucket will be big. The buckets going to be

840
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: good sized. Um, and if you can pick up an

841
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: extra fourth and fifth round pick from moving back six spots.

842
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: I think, I think you do that in a heartbeat.

843
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: But if if not, I mean, I don't know what

844
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: it's so hard to think what corner might be there.

845
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I'd probably lean toward the corner position. I mean, like

846
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Speaker 1: I said, if karloftis is there, obviously that's a that's

847
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: a that's a big, a big no brainer. But my

848
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Speaker 1: first would be Andrew Booth if he's there, and then

849
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: Kay Kayer Elam if he If Andrew Booth's not, I mean,

850
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: if they're both gone, I don't know. I don't know what.

851
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what i'd do at that point. I

852
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure i'd stay with the with

853
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: the corner position at that point in time, I think

854
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: I might move on. So Kyler Gordon from Washington doesn't

855
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: do it for you at number thirty one, I don't

856
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: think i'd go there at thirty one. He'd be a

857
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: huge candidate moving back though, um, but I think he's

858
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: he's a you know the thing the thing about about Booth,

859
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: let me make sure I'm not speaking with forked tongue. Here.

860
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: One penalty in three years, one penalty. So here's a

861
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: guy that understands hand placement, understands technique, isn't sloppy, you know,

862
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: with with with those type of situations. Um, you know,

863
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: to compare that Kai Elam seven penalties in ten games

864
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: last year, four defensive holdings, two pass interference, sloppy hand.

865
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: You know. That's so that's why you know a guy

866
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: like Booth has been coached at a really high level

867
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: obviously at Clemson. Not not that you know Elam's not,

868
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: but he You don't want to give things away. You

869
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: don't want to give plays away by penalty, by mistake.

870
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: And and you know Booth, Booth has done a phenomenal job,

871
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: you know in that regard, and um, he hasn't been

872
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: he hasn't been beaten. You know, I'm trying to think

873
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: of how many touchdown passes he gave up over none

874
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: last year, none last year over his career. It was

875
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: zero last year. And he's he's he's obviously he was

876
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: a five star coming out of high school. I mean,

877
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: he's very fluid when you watch him, and he's got

878
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: very quick feet, but they're totally under control at all times.

879
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's really uh, he's got that slump

880
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: ball skills. He tracks the football exception. Well, a lot

881
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: of these guys were high school receivers, you know, so

882
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: or played both ways, so they just have excellent ball skills.

883
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Can track tract the football, can trace routes, you know.

884
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're it's it's a it's a pretty it's

885
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: a pretty deep class at the corner position. So our

886
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: thoughts are pretty similar. Here's what I'll say for my prediction,

887
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: Booth if he's there, followed by Elam if he's there,

888
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: followed by Linderbaum if he's there, and then the fourth

889
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: choice if they don't trade down, would be Gordon. So

890
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: that's my prediction. Booth if available, Elam, next, Lender, Bamb third,

891
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: Gordon fourth. Yeah, I mean that that that all that

892
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: all makes uh, you know, makes sense. The only I guess,

893
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: the only thing if if for whatever reason, a run

894
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: is not made on edge rush guys that that you

895
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: anticipate to be there. Heck, you've seen more than one

896
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: mock draft where edge guys are the first three you

897
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: guys taken in the draft. You know. And and how

898
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: about if if if if a quarterback, running back or

899
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: receiver is not taken in the top ten picks. You know,

900
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: some people are saying that's going to be the case

901
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: the receiver group. Though, I can see a quarterback definitely

902
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: not being taken in the top ten. I can definitely

903
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: see a running running back I might not go in

904
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: the first round again, but a receiver to not go

905
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: in the top ten. This group of receivers, I don't

906
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily see that, but it just

907
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: goes to show you that people are anticipating and expecting,

908
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, a run on these important defensive positions, these

909
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: edge guys, these corners and um and in these safeties

910
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: that have position versatility that can kick inside and play

911
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: some nickel. Loui and Rumo loves that that that aspect

912
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: of at that concept. And the offensive tackles will go

913
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: high too. Yeah, the tackles go high. The ones that

914
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: are you know, our premier, they're they're definitely going to

915
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: go high there. They'll be out of the out of

916
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: the mix quickly. All right. I shine the ask lap

917
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: bad signal into the Cincinnati sky. We got a bunch

918
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: of questions submitted via Twitter. Are you ready? Here we go?

919
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: First question comes from Mark How much of a problem

920
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: is short arm length for an NFL center? Again? You know,

921
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: It all depends if a guy has been drafted into

922
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the National Football League and he's got short arms. He's

923
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: had short arms his whole life. They didn't shorten when

924
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: he got when he got to the NFL draft, and

925
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: for him to be drafted into the NFL. He's overcome

926
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: it at the high school and collegiate level. And that's

927
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: what Linderbaum has been able to do with his unbelievable

928
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: lateral mobility and his quick feet. Um, you know, if

929
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: you can if you can square up on a guy

930
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: and you don't have to reach, short arms on as

931
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: big an issue if you're a step behind and you

932
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: have to start. That's where long arms can compensate for,

933
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, a lack of excellent feet. If you've got

934
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: a guy that's got it all at tremendous feet and

935
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: got you know, good length to his arms, you got

936
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: you got a hell of a prospect. But if you've

937
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: got one that is deficient in one area, usually he's

938
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: made up for it by being able to compensate with

939
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: excellence in another. So it's it's a factor. I mean,

940
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's it's a little bit of an issue.

941
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: As long as he doesn't The one thing that Billy

942
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Price did to compensate for his short arms was lean,

943
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: trying to lengthen his arms by leaning. You can't, you can't,

944
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: You can't. And Linderbaum is such an excellent wrestler. He

945
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: welcomes being in a phone booth, he welcomes that close contact.

946
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: He's he knows how to deal with it. He knows

947
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: how to handle it. Now he faced good talent in

948
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: the Big Ten eight like it is in the National

949
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: Football League. It's another another cut above and that's where

950
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: you know you wonder if they get up into his

951
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: face like that, can he handle it like he did

952
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: at the high school or collegiate level. Our next question

953
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: comes from Rob. Do you think that last year's experience

954
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: of having to rely on offensive line backups at a

955
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: crucial stage of the season makes it likely that the

956
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Bengals will take the best offensive linement available at thirty one,

957
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: even if he is not seen as an immediate starter. No.

958
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: I think I think that the way they're thinking that

959
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: with the second, fourth and sixth round picks last year's

960
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: draft that they had to use and Prince that had

961
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: been you know, they picked up earlier, he had to play.

962
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I think they feel like those guys are going to

963
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: be advanced this year after having a year of coaching,

964
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: a year of understanding what it takes to play in

965
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: the National Football League. In some cases a year of

966
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: quite a few staffs and Prince his case obviously, and

967
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: the others maybe not quite as many. Obviously, Jackson Carmen

968
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: did not play as many snaps as they may have

969
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: projected him to play. Trey Hill had had mixed results.

970
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: DeAndre Smith got hurt and that that affected his performance.

971
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: I think he has a future, I really, I think

972
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: he's going to be a really a pretty good one.

973
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: So I think that they feel like with a from

974
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: year one to year two is a big development year

975
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: for the offensive line. It's the same line coach, same techniques,

976
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: same things asked of you. I think that they're thinking

977
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: that that group is going to be a lot better

978
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: this year than they were last year. The next question

979
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: comes from Bengals John, and you may have just answered it.

980
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: Why does it feel like guard or center is off

981
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: the board in round one when it would help replace

982
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: the weakest starter on the team. And I think Bengals

983
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: John is implying that left guard right now looks like

984
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: the weakest starting spot on the team. Yeah, and uh,

985
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: and we'll have to we'll have to see. And um,

986
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: just because a guy isn't picked a thirty one doesn't

987
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: mean that he's not a good player when they do

988
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: address the offensive line, because the offensive line will be addressed.

989
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in this draft, I wouldn't be

990
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: upset if you go two corners, a defensive tackle, edge rushier,

991
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: wide receiver, a couple of offensive linemen. That wouldn't bother

992
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: me at all, you know, I mean, um, it's to me.

993
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: You've got eight picks, you're gonna you're gonna be drafting

994
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot of players. There are gonna be good players.

995
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna be drafted in the fourth round on that Uh,

996
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, they could have an impact on the football team,

997
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. Not necessarily in twenty twenty two,

998
00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: but draft, develop, retain has been the model. Retain is

999
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: the tough part now, the way these salaries are going crazy,

1000
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: the way everybody's being paid so much. But drafting and

1001
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: developing guys has always been a big part of what

1002
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: this franchise is about. And it's not just first round

1003
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: draft picks. It's every draft pick. From Governor chief. Who

1004
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: are the top three players you don't want the Steelers

1005
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: and Ravens to take in Round one? I'll say it

1006
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be three players. But are there guys

1007
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: that you do not want to see wind up in

1008
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Baltimore in this draft? Yeah? I mean, I

1009
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: don't want to see any of the real talented edge

1010
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: guys that are going to go real early in the

1011
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: draft potentially you know, slide and end up in Baltimore

1012
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. I don't want to see Karl Loftus in

1013
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: Baltimore of Pittsburgh. I think he's I don't know, maybe

1014
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm over reacting to him, but I think he's going

1015
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: to have a very very good, very good, solid FL career. Yeah,

1016
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: i'd say. I'd say in terms of Baltimore in Pittsburgh,

1017
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: they always seem to find defensive players, not necessarily first

1018
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: round picks, but defensive players that fit their scheme, in

1019
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: their system, and their coaching styles perfectly. There's a guy,

1020
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: there's a guy from Kentucky just down the road here,

1021
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: three time captain at Kentucky. As I was looking through

1022
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman at three time captain, first time in

1023
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: school history at cancer on his foot, melanoma on his

1024
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: foot and over, he's overcome it. The dude is he's athletic.

1025
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's not a freak. He's a sculpted you know,

1026
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: sculpted kid. Six two and a half two sixty five,

1027
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: two seventy's a little bit tight in his lower body

1028
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: though watching them. But Josh Pascal is his name. I mean,

1029
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: a guy like that in the fourth round, if the

1030
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: Bengals get another fourth round pick, I wouldn't be upset

1031
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: about that at all. Third or fourth round guy Alex Wright,

1032
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: another edge guy. This guy's get tremendous position versatility. Here's

1033
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: the thing about him that intrigues me. Six five two

1034
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: seventy thirty five, thirty four inch arms, eighty three inch wingspan.

1035
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: He's got a massive tackle radius in terms of arm,

1036
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: long arms, And like I said, sometimes guys like that,

1037
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: it's it's like trying to block an octopus. He's got

1038
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: position versatility. He can he can bend, he's very flexible,

1039
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: a very long limb. He's a project. He's a little

1040
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: bit raw. But guys like that, I mean, if they're

1041
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: there in the you know, fourth round, if the Bengals

1042
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: get an extra fourth round pick, and early in the

1043
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: fourth round they pulled the trigger on somebody. Somebody like

1044
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: any of those guys I wouldn't be. That wouldn't bother

1045
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: me at all. Governor Chief, let me throw in my

1046
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: answers to your questions. The guy I do not want

1047
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to take as obviously been as obviously Desmond Ritter.

1048
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I've been talking about this for months a because I

1049
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: think Desmond Ridder will ultimately be a good NFL quarterback,

1050
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: and I don't want my hatred for the Steelers diluted

1051
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: by my love for Desmond Ritterers. So it breaks my

1052
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: heart when I see mock drafts that have Ritter going

1053
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: to the Steelers at number twenty. That can happen just

1054
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: personally for me. But on a slightly more serious note,

1055
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: the player I do not want to wind up in

1056
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: Baltimore is Jordan Davis, a massive nose tackle six six,

1057
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Speaker 1: three hundred and forty one pounds, ran a four seven

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: eight at that size at the combine, which is unheard

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: of thirty four inch arms. The reason why I don't

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00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: want that to happen is they were so hard to

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00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: run on with Brandon Williams in the middle for all

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: of those years. Jordan Davis is Brandon Williams, but even better,

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00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: even better, even more athletic and taller and longer and

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00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: all those things. Yeah, I mean, he does have Baltimore

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: written all over him as an interi defensive player. There's

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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: no question about it. Question from Tom, what's the strangest

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: thing you have ever seen happen on Draft Day? Oh? Man,

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00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: the strangest thing I've ever seen happen Minnesota forgetting to

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: get its first round picking in time. That that was.

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: That was a faux pap for sure, he means overall

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: in the entire draft or I think, so that's the question.

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Speaker 1: What's the strangest thing you have ever seen happen on

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Draft Day? Boy, I don't know. I Mean, the thing

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00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: that's interesting to watch now is have these guys in

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: the red carpet room, you know, the the VIP room,

1076
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: waiting to get drafted and watching Aaron Rodgers slide was

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00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: it was, there was a cocktail of emotions there, you know.

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00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: And boy did he did he ever say to the league,

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, all thumb my nose at you over this one,

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00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: because man, what was going through that guy's mind and

1081
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: to be that exposed and to have all your emotions,

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00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, be right out there on national TV in

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: front of everybody. That uh that that's an interesting twist

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01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: that they're doing by inviting guys to that VIP room

1085
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: like that, because there's always going to be one that

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01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, it just doesn't happen for him. And having

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: having you know, gone through a draft and played in

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01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: the league just that's hard. That's hard to watch guys

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: have their hearts broken like that. I remember that happening

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01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: with Thurman Thomas before the Bills took them in the

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: second round. Question from Brian coming off the Super Bowl loss.

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Speaker 1: How different will OTAs and training camp be? Will there

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: be a more intense sense of urgency? You know they're

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: Zach is not having you know, mandatory mini camp. It's

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: just just OTAs and uh, you know that's that's a

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: I think a signal that he really believes that his

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01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: team uh is in the spirit of it and it's

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01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: mature and everybody's uh, you know, pulling the oars in

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: the same direction, and then it's it's uh, we us

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01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 1: not I me. So it's I think that's a that's

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: an interesting decision that he made, and I think it's

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: a good one. I think that they had a long

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01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: they had the longest season in NFL history, and not

1104
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: only physically do you need a break, but mentally you

1105
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: also need to get away from it and in recharge

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: the battery, both mentally and physically. So I think that's

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: that's a little bit different. But I do think that

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that there's a sense of urgency for

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: the OTAs, but I do think that based on the

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01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: success they've had, I think that they are smart enough

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01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: and aware enough to understand there's going to be a

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: bull's eye on their back now and what they did

1113
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: last year from a work standpoint, is not going to

1114
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: even be enough for this year. You're gonna have to

1115
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: ratchet it up even a little bit more. And I

1116
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: remember experiencing that we won the Super Bowl in eighty one,

1117
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: had a work stoppage in eighty two, we only played

1118
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: nine games. But I remember distinctly, you know, guys talking about, look,

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, what we did last year, it ain't gonna

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01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: be enough this year, because man, you know, we're the hunted. Now,

1121
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: We're not the hunter anymore. We're hunted. And that's what

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01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: this team has to realize right now, and I think

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01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: they have a pretty good, pretty good idea about it.

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01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: I do think that that the chemistry and the culture

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: on this football team is pretty darnstrong. Our final question

1126
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: comes from Decline Phase. The question simply reads step Brothers

1127
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: or the other Guys? Have you seen either of those

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01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: two Will Farrell classic movies? I have to say I

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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: have not, But I am a Will Farrell fan. I

1130
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: am a will have you seen him? Dan Well? I

1131
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: am the person that is well equipped to answer this question,

1132
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: although I've only seen one of the two, so it

1133
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: sounds like I need to see the other guys if

1134
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: there's even a question. But when I was the radio

1135
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: voice of the Patucket Red Sox, Stepbrothers had just become

1136
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: available on DVD. So we watch this movie. I don't

1137
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: think I'm exaggerating. Basically every road and it is awesome.

1138
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: The classics, the Catalina wine mixer, Adam Scott's family singing

1139
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: Sweet Child of Mine in the backseat of their car,

1140
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: the tuxedo wearing interviews, the sleepwalking scenes, the boats and

1141
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: hose video, the the line from my chest Pubes to

1142
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: my ball frow. Stepbrothers is an all time classic. My

1143
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: wife loves Stepbrothers. Whenever it comes on TV, I'm forced

1144
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: to watch at least a chunk of it. So if

1145
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: you're only going to watch one of one of the

1146
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: other one or the other Gopher Stepbrothers, Stepbrothers, I'll keep

1147
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: that in mind, and I will I will probably have

1148
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: to look at Stepbrothers sooner rather than later. All right.

1149
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: That concludes this podcast preview of the Draft. Will be

1150
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: doing stuff throughout the draft. Look forward to see you

1151
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: late into the night on Thursday. Yeah, I hope that

1152
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: late night Thursday night isn't an announcement and the Bengals

1153
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: have executed a trade. The trade is consummated with, although

1154
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: honestly I wouldn't hate it. But it be a long

1155
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: day for nothing, that's for sure. I'll post new episodes

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: of this podcast after each day of the draft. They'll

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: be available when you wake up the following morning. That's

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01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Bengals

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,760
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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,439
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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,640
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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,840
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