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Speaker 1: Your story's not always written for you at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: It's like you could have went in a completely different direction.

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Speaker 2: I could have I could have died too. You know,

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Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol kill. I like to reach out to

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Speaker 2: it's not too late to turn it around.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you

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Speaker 3: Okay, our entrepreneur is here an entrepreneur and award winning

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Speaker 3: designer of business Titan, with a company currently worth over

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Speaker 3: three billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: He is also a devoted family man, a provocative shoe designer.

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Speaker 1: He is nothing but an inspiration. Fit you are You

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Speaker 1: also happen to be Brittany, my executive producer of the podcast.

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Speaker 4: She worked at.

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Speaker 1: Her boss.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Steve, Okay, all right, okay, yes.

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Speaker 1: You think of yourself? How do you think?

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Speaker 6: Oh god, that's such a deep question.

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Speaker 2: How do I think of myself? No, No, it's okay, it's.

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Speaker 7: All good, you know, you know, uh, yes, well, sometimes

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Speaker 7: I mean at the end, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: We're look in the mirror and we see pimples and

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Speaker 2: and you know, we think we're fat and you know,

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. And so yeah, every once in

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Speaker 2: a while, that's cool. I'm Steve Madden. But mostly it's

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Speaker 2: you know, throw out the garbage, you know, the garbage.

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Speaker 2: That's it's mostly that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Whenever we booked somebody, so you know, we had this

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Speaker 1: Barbara Corcord and was on recently, and then I was

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Speaker 1: seeing her buildings. All of a sudden, I noticed every

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Speaker 1: body that she had in New York City.

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Speaker 4: So the same thing with you.

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Speaker 1: I knew you were coming, and it's like, there's this

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Speaker 1: Steve Madden's store, Like I feel like on every corner.

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Speaker 1: It's not every corner, but there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot. I was just spending some time in Miami.

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Speaker 1: They're all over Florida, they're all over New York. What

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Speaker 2: Do you even I get a real big kick out

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Speaker 2: of seeing people wear my shoes. That's fine, more than

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Speaker 2: more than well, the stores are good, but then I

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Speaker 2: think about, you know, how are they running and all

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Speaker 2: of that. So not that I don't enjoy all of this.

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Speaker 2: but you know, you know it's like at last four seconds,

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Speaker 2: that little euphoria and then then life is You're onto

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Speaker 2: real life. Yeah, I think so. Kids. You know our kids.

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Speaker 2: My kid goes to school, she looks sloppy, she looks clean.

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Speaker 4: Is she wearing Steve Maddens.

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Speaker 2: Most of the time? Sometimes not? Sometimes?

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Speaker 2: It is a sore point. H And my son doesn't

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Speaker 2: I know it's unbelievable. I live Dibbs to me and

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Speaker 2: we're going to be in an elevator. Whose juices are those?

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Speaker 2: And he's eighteen and he says they yours, Steed Baden,

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Speaker 2: and I find out there Margella, Oh no.

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Speaker 1: The disrespect in your own home.

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Speaker 4: I know it's unbelievable, but it's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine for you.

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Speaker 1: You make you design these shoes and you walk around

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. If I see the bags around

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bags are everywhere everywhere, Shoes are everywhere. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Like you went to the next game last night. Are

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Speaker 4: You know what is the shoe hustle?

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Speaker 2: And it's so funny, because that's why I did have

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Speaker 2: friends with a couple of guys, IRV, right with IRV Gotti, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I used to go to games with IRV and Jah

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Speaker 2: I worked for a company when I was in my twenties,

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like I had a driver was

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly right, or do the one thing.

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Speaker 2: They get some money and they start up. But for me,

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Speaker 1: And then then from that point to today, that's how

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Speaker 2: Now it's thirty five, thirty six. This will be the

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Speaker 1: And then does it even feel like you still like

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Speaker 2: It is a story, but it's me and I'm still

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky that I could be on a show like yours.

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Speaker 2: And these are things that I never really talk about

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Speaker 2: It's not about me. I got to take care of

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Speaker 1: So that's the motivation, yeah, because back then your motivation

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's not a small thing. It's not a small

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Speaker 4: it's a blur.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, you know, in your book and the

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Speaker 1: But addiction is sometimes people's whole story.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's so smart what you're saying, doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to explain it to people. It's it's considered substance abuse

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Speaker 2: But if that's the way it is getting high, you know,

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Speaker 1: But had you beaten addiction at the early stages of

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Speaker 2: Trunk days, that's when I started getting sober, the trunk days.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, you can get sober. One can get sober.

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Speaker 2: It can happen. And if I can get sober, anybody

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Speaker 1: Because what is the thing?

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Speaker 4: What do you attribute that to?

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Speaker 2: I go to I have places that I go where

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Speaker 1: Does that stick with you through like, uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, you can say, like I thought

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Speaker 2: And I hate that? But I could be that guy,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to be happier and I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: You're like a lot of people's boss, yes, yes, how

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Speaker 2: Big company today and there's a lot of layers. So

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I just wonder what that feels like to

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Speaker 2: You know, The funny thing is it's it's in some

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Speaker 4: Well, that would require you to hire.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've hired so well. That's really one of the

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Speaker 2: one of the keys to my success. I've been very lucky.

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Speaker 2: I picked a lot of smart people.

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Speaker 4: What is the what is the secret sauce?

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Speaker 6: What is the thing?

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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of shoe companies, a lot of like,

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Speaker 1: what is the Steve Madden secret sauce that lets you

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Speaker 2: There is no secret sauce. We work hard, we move

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Speaker 2: That's sort of the way I believe, you know. I

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Speaker 2: making money profit's very important, but the first thing is

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Speaker 2: to make sure you have good shoes. That's what we do. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And when you go into design even now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're trying to make shoes that people want to buy.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to make it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not interested in making shoes people don't want

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Speaker 1: But you you you serve as a very specific customer too. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like you chose accessibility, right, you chose like to

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I've always been in the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I make shoes that are not too cheap, not too expensive.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a nice spot. No, you know, I

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Speaker 5: I'm just you've never thought about that.

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Speaker 2: It's a different ball game.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was in prison when that happened. Oh

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Speaker 1: How did you take that well?

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Speaker 2: I'm happy, you know, I you know I would just

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Speaker 1: No, he did it.

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Speaker 2: He did. I don't know if he was hurt me.

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Speaker 2: We were at a party. He was with Beyonce. She

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Speaker 1: That it did.

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Speaker 4: You already feeling about it.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to like talk to him about it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it came out it was a thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: What would you have said?

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Speaker 2: What would you know?

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Speaker 6: No, it's just like I was in prison. You helped

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Speaker 2: Everybody treated me so great. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You wanted to have your moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he wasn't going for it. He wasn't going

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Maybe it wasn't the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he was busy doing what he does.

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Speaker 4: I feel like there was a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 2: I feel like that there was some other mentioned I met,

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Speaker 2: I met all those guys. I yeah, I met Nas.

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Speaker 2: That was fun.

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Speaker 1: How was that?

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Speaker 6: He was cool?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I met Nas and met t I. I took

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Speaker 2: I like t I's music, by the way, Okay, well

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Speaker 2: sound you know you don't know me? All those songs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I really, I really liked it. I try to tell

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Speaker 1: Tell you his full attention. What was that time like

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Speaker 2: It was a heartbreaking, heartbreaking moment and.

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Speaker 1: You already your shoes are already I'm already hot.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows who I am, not like I am today.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it was twenty years ago and it

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Speaker 2: fucking Hotel it's terrible. And but actually, you know, you

440
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Speaker 2: get into groove. You know, you're surviving, you're doing your thing,

441
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Speaker 2: you're working out, you're reading, you know, having some laughs

442
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Speaker 2: with the guys, and you know you're getting through the day,

443
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Speaker 2: you know. But the heartbreaking thing is that all the

444
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 2: stuff's gone on outside. People are falling in love and

445
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: having children and eating steak and moving on, and you

446
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 2: think it's like being dead. You know, it's kind of

447
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 2: like being dead, Like this is what death is like,

448
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 2: only I'm not dead, but you know, like everybody's out

449
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 2: there doing their thing and you're you know, and especially

450
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Speaker 2: after visiting day, you know, people would come to see

451
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: me and then they would go one way and I

452
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: would go back to my little cube. Yeah, you know,

453
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: it's like a little and my heart would break as

454
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Speaker 2: I would walk back, you know, I would I would

455
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Speaker 2: have this sadness. You know, everybody's going to something and

456
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Speaker 2: I'm going back to your reading People magazine or something.

457
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, so it was tough.

458
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Speaker 1: As somebody who's visited people, I've visited people in jail,

459
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Speaker 1: and that moment when you when the person in there

460
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Speaker 1: and their jail falls, is turning around and going back.

461
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Speaker 1: It's tough to even watch that from the outside.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

463
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Speaker 4: To think about that, so.

464
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine your imagine.

465
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Speaker 2: I can't what it's like to be the guy going back.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

467
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Speaker 2: So that was very hard.

468
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Speaker 1: So what is the thing that like drives you through it?

469
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Speaker 1: You've been through so much and then you get out

470
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Speaker 1: of jail, by the way, then you get out.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that is so good.

472
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Speaker 1: That was so good.

473
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Speaker 2: It was so good.

474
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Speaker 1: Now you're out. Yeah, you probably like on a it's like, right, now,

475
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Speaker 1: what are they call it?

476
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Speaker 4: This February is the.

477
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Speaker 1: Year of the horse?

478
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Speaker 2: The year of the horse.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you were probably like, yes, I was right.

480
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Speaker 2: I came out and I had a lot of energy,

481
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Speaker 2: and I was grateful and it was it was an

482
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Speaker 2: exciting time to come out and and thankfully, you know,

483
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: the team was in place and we went and we

484
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Speaker 2: just exploded. You know, it was great.

485
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Speaker 1: Wow.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very lucky.

487
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Speaker 6: Like that.

488
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Speaker 1: It's super inspiring and so and it's so much of

489
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Speaker 1: a testament to like, I don't know, it's just like

490
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Speaker 1: your story's not always written for you at the beginning.

491
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Speaker 1: It's like you could have went in a completely different direction.

492
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: I could have I could have died too, you know.

493
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: Drugs and alcohol kill. Yeah.

494
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure.

495
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: You just don't wake up one day, that's it.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what was the thing that woke you up?

497
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Speaker 2: Well, you know you're sick and tired of being sick

498
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Speaker 2: and tired. Yeah, you know, that's what it is. We

499
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Speaker 2: have an alcoholism in my family, yeah, yeah, and my

500
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Speaker 2: brothers too, and so you know, I don't know, Lucky Star,

501
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Speaker 2: you know. And but you have to surround yourself with

502
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Speaker 2: a lot of sober people.

503
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Speaker 1: And is there a survivors remorse in that?

504
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Speaker 2: No, But there are times when you just, you know,

505
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: you feel like, you know, you feel like I just

506
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Speaker 2: need to get it high or I need to get out,

507
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: you know, And and those are the times you need

508
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Speaker 2: to reach out. I mean, now I feel like smoking

509
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Speaker 2: a mob.

510
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Speaker 4: Borrow red right now?

511
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Speaker 2: What I miss station? I don't know. Lately, I've been

512
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Speaker 2: missing cigarette. Smoking a cigarette so bad, it's so bad

513
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: for you.

514
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Speaker 1: Don't do it.

515
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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, but I'm just saying it's so like,

516
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Speaker 2: that's what I oh god, I just want to like

517
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Speaker 2: light up a cigarette, you know, and just uh yeah,

518
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Speaker 2: I know it's tough, but you know.

519
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: So bad.

520
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: It's so bad and it's so good. It's so bad

521
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: and it's so bad and so good and it's so bad.

522
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Speaker 2: And I have I have shitty lungs.

523
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Speaker 4: To be you have to have different vices now.

524
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Speaker 2: To kind of like you know, uh, well, yeah, you know,

525
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Speaker 2: I'm I uh, I work out a lot, you know,

526
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Speaker 2: I work out and I don't know, you know, it's

527
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 2: not that special.

528
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Speaker 1: You know, we just were just you are special.

529
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Speaker 6: No, I don't know about all that. Hey, guys.

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531
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Speaker 1: by SHIV. Okay, so these are just in real life questions.

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Speaker 1: Pick one till you like okay, pick one till you

544
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Speaker 1: like one, and then answer it.

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Speaker 2: How happy are you from a scale of one to ten?

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Speaker 4: Today?

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Speaker 2: Today I'm a nine. Today I'm a nine. But every

548
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Speaker 2: day is different. You know, most of the time, I'm happy. Okay,

549
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Speaker 2: you're a happy guy most of the okay. Then when

550
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Speaker 2: I walk in a room, I want people to feel.

551
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Speaker 2: I want people to feel. What do I want them

552
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Speaker 2: to feel? Expect? You know, maybe respect?

553
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Speaker 1: What do you respect most about yourself?

554
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Speaker 2: I respect the ability to do things that are not comfortable,

555
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Speaker 2: you know, you know, mostly not getting high. I respect

556
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Speaker 2: that about myself. Yeah, no, really, that's true.

557
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Speaker 4: It's a real thing.

558
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Speaker 2: Yes, it sure is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But what are the things?

560
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Speaker 2: Were going to the bar? People are drinking tequila? You know,

561
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Speaker 2: everybody drinks tequila. Now I miss the tequila thing. Like

562
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: people are like fans. They buy these like one hundred

563
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Speaker 2: dollars or whatever, maybe even more bottles of tequila. They're experts,

564
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Speaker 2: they are, I know, people that fancy themselves tequila experts

565
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Speaker 2: and I'm sipping on a coke.

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what should people.

567
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Speaker 1: Know because there's so many of us I have, I

568
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Speaker 1: have family gambling addicts.

569
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Speaker 4: Also yes, alcohol.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what should people know about addicts? Like what

571
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Speaker 1: should outside people when dealing with family or what should

572
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Speaker 1: they understand because it's hard sometimes aside from family members,

573
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Speaker 1: you know.

574
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Speaker 2: This, Yeah, that's that's a big question. What should they

575
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: understand that it's a disease. It's a disease like diabetes,

576
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: like cancer. It's a disease. They can't stop. Adducts can't stop,

577
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: alcoholics can't stop, but there are places where they can stop.

578
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Speaker 2: It's it's arrested. You can arrest it, but you can't

579
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Speaker 2: cure it ever ever. Wow. Yeah, but that doesn't mean

580
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: you can't have a great life. And you know, you

581
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: arrested and you go on and you could have a

582
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Speaker 2: great life.

583
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Speaker 4: There's you're like the poster boy for that.

584
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Speaker 2: Well today I am you know what I mean, it's

585
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Speaker 2: we have it's a day at a time, and there's

586
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Speaker 2: a lot of people out there that are sober, and

587
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Speaker 2: you know, some doing great things. They don't they don't

588
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Speaker 2: broadcast it.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh, because it's probably hard to revisit sometimes, right.

590
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Speaker 2: So I they want to stay humble about it too.

591
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: But Anthony Hopkins just celebrated fifty years of sobriety. You know,

592
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Speaker 2: the old actor that was in course Silence of the Lambs.

593
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw.

594
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: He went in and spoke about it online on TikTok.

595
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Speaker 4: Had he never talked about it before?

596
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, people knew that. But yeah, fifty years.

597
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Speaker 1: Fifty years. Yeah, God, bless.

598
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Speaker 2: God, blesses.

599
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Speaker 4: Right, amazing, that is amazing.

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Speaker 1: What do you like when we talk about business, It's

601
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Speaker 1: like there's so many people. I'm sure you do. You

602
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: do a lot of mentorships. You have your organizations. You

603
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: believe in rehabilitation and giving people a second. I know

604
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Speaker 1: even in your company you hire, you do formally incarcerated.

605
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a few. A few people that I

606
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: was in prison with work with me.

607
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Speaker 4: Oh that's a company.

608
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Speaker 2: And then we work with some organizations the DOFUND and

609
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Speaker 2: and I like to I like to reach out to

610
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Speaker 2: young people if I can to not throw in the

611
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: towel in their twenties, if they get going out and

612
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: getting fucked up and being foolish, and you know, it's

613
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: not too late to turn it around, and it's hard

614
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Speaker 2: to teach the entrepreneur thing. Yeah, so you're an entrepreneur

615
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: and you know it comes it could be anything, you know,

616
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Speaker 2: it's just someone that makes their own way and does

617
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Speaker 2: things differently and succeeding.

618
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so funny though. I just was

619
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Speaker 1: saying this to Brittany. I was like, my whole career,

620
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Speaker 1: I have never focused on money enough. I've always been like,

621
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Speaker 1: I want to make a cool I want to do

622
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Speaker 1: this great thing, which you probably have some of that,

623
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Speaker 1: which is true, but you've also been very diligent about

624
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Speaker 1: creating a successful financially you know, successful company.

625
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Speaker 4: It is different.

626
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Speaker 2: I do think it's I think that's a good point

627
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Speaker 2: you're making. I think you have to make money as

628
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur. Yes, I actually think it. If you're you're

629
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: failing as the entrepreneur. If you're not ringing the register,

630
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Speaker 2: I think you need to ring the register.

631
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Speaker 4: Got to ring the right.

632
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Speaker 2: But of course, you know, if you're if you have passion,

633
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Speaker 2: you're an artist, you're trying to design that dress or

634
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Speaker 2: make that song or you know, or you know, and

635
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Speaker 2: so you say, well I'm going to do that. But

636
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Speaker 2: usually if you take care of those things, the money

637
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Speaker 2: will follow. And you have to make sure that.

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Speaker 1: That's what they've always said to us. And I feel

639
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Speaker 1: like we've gotten a lot of shit wrong.

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Speaker 5: Number one.

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Speaker 4: Number one, we have to be hustle.

642
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Speaker 1: You have to hustle, work so hard all the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was right. At this big age,

644
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Speaker 1: I'm starting to think maybe I need a little more balance, right,

645
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Speaker 1: and maybe I have to work hard for all these

646
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Speaker 1: years to get the balance.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: We're working hard is good? Working smart is good?

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing is, you know, you create

651
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Speaker 1: something you love and the money will come.

652
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's always right.

653
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it doesn't. But if you're smart, that's part of

654
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Speaker 2: the trip. You have to make that happen. Yeah, that's

655
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Speaker 2: part of the entrepreneurial trip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

657
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Speaker 2: You know you're balance saying like do I want to

658
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Speaker 2: enrich myself? Do I want to build my business? Like?

659
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Speaker 2: There's so many things that go into this ride that

660
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: you're on. You know, I was just listening to I

661
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: just was an audio book because my eyes are ship.

662
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: Trying to go on the ball.

663
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, And I was listening to a book. There's

664
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: Lorne Michaels.

665
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: He's the Saturday Night Live guy, of course.

666
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, it was taken with he's been

667
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: there forever and he's built this huge thing, and uh

668
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: he's a great entrepreneur and he had so many things,

669
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: you know, on his plate that he was and I

670
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: was really taken with the book. Really enjoyed that. Yeah,

671
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I met him once and but

672
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: it was a long time ago and he doesn't remember me. Sure,

673
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: but it's okay, who cares.

674
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: You got something out of his book that there's people

675
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: watching this podcast that will never meet you, but we'll

676
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: get something out of this end.

677
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be great.

678
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: What makes a great entrepreneur?

679
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: You know, there's just I feel like it's this big

680
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: boat ride you're on and you got to keep the

681
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: boat moving, and it's a battle that it's not always

682
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: so great, you know, the entrepreneur thing. You know, it's

683
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: very lonely too. You know it can be because you're

684
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: you're on this journey and and you're trying to survive

685
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and flourish, and people are attacking you and and and

686
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: the swamps and and you just got to keep moving forward.

687
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: And so the great thing for me is that I

688
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: got a lot of help. You know, I got a

689
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: lot of people helping me. So even though my name

690
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: is on the shoe, you know, I got so many

691
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: great people that I work with.

692
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't always like that.

693
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, you start, you don't have any you know, you're

694
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: in the.

695
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Boat by yourself at some point, Yeah.

696
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: The boat by myself.

697
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: And you're not just in the Steve, You're not just

698
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: in the boat by yourself. You're like in the boat

699
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: with like this history and trauma and addiction.

700
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're still in this boat, in the boat.

701
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's I'm still in the boat.

702
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: You're still in the still in the boat.

703
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: It was a time when you were in the boat

704
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: by yourself.

705
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: Still in the boat. But you know, the boat's bigger

706
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: now boat is bigger, but still and then you know,

707
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: there's different challenges as you go along, you know, you know, and.

708
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: So what's been some of your biggest ones aside from

709
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: addiction obviously.

710
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, well yeah, you know, letting go and letting

711
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: smarter people do stuff and you know that and not

712
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: freaking out. You know, I'm the kind of guy that

713
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: if we had a big market, a big show and

714
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: I didn't like, you know, the cookies. I would freak out.

715
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: I'd call the person, what the fuck is this? This

716
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: tastes like medicine, you know. I was like that. I

717
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: was crazy like that. I needed to control everything, you know.

718
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: But then as you go along, you realize that you

719
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: can't control everything, you know, so you learn what you

720
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: can sort of control.

721
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: And in the place and the cookies are bad, what

722
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: do you do?

723
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: I don't say anything anymore.

724
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 5: Well, maybe I will, but inside the cookies, fucking cookies.

725
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: You can't make a You can't make a bad cookie

726
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: because it's such a waste of calories. Crazy when I

727
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: go to a mall, malls and the elevators don't work.

728
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: These guys charge so much money for these stores, they

729
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: are so successful, and they can't fix the escalator.

730
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: How theare they?

731
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: The escalator escalator and the escalator didn't work At Manison

732
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: Square Garden last night there was an escalator going down

733
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: to seventh Avenue and the escalator didn't work. He can't

734
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: afford to. He pays Brunson fifty million a year. He

735
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: can't fix the escalator.

736
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 5: What is that?

737
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: Because they don't give a shit about the public, because

738
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: they got a product you know that people love.

739
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: But they're gonna walk up there. The people walk up there,

740
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: I don't care.

741
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, yeah, I used to stay

742
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: at the Wind Hotels in Las Vegas because the room

743
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: service coffee was so great. And I thought to myself,

744
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: this guy, this Steve Win, this nut. You know, he's

745
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: amazing hotel man. He took care of like he took

746
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: care of that detail. His coffee. I'm telling the coffee person.

747
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: His coffee was so fucking great. And I stayed there.

748
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: I was loyal to him.

749
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You can stay anywhere in the world he want.

750
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: He and his room service coffee was the greatest thing

751
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: because he cared about his So you got attention to detail.

752
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Really I love that.

753
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you're your passion.

754
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Shout out to Steve.

755
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: I just played.

756
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: I love when people do that.

757
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Shut out to Steve Win.

758
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: White people don't do shut out to Steve Win. You know,

759
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm serious, but it's really true, you know, But I

760
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: do like that because it's like, yes, I don't know

761
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: where he is. I see TikTok.

762
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: You always wanted to give a shout.

763
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Out because she really cared this billionaire. Dude. I know

764
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: that I want my coffee to be great.

765
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: He cares about the detail, Yes he did.

766
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: That's when I was loyal to the win A hotel

767
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: because of it.

768
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: They have a lovely golf course as.

769
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: Well, by they do.

770
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: I've played it.

771
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 5: I'm a golfer, Yes you are.

772
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yes, I played.

773
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: I just found the game about four years at Stree

774
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and I'm a full This is what I'm an addict.

775
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm an golf addict. Yeah, I will golf sport.

776
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: I will golf every day.

777
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you play in Miami I do. Anytime

778
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: you want to go to the gorse, let me know.

779
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 6: I want to go, hit me up.

780
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna hit you up. And I want to

781
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: go with Steve Madden. And you should make a Steve

782
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: You should make a Steve.

783
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: Madden golf shoe.

784
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: Yes, I play.

785
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: And you know what, I think we did make some

786
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: golf really yeah we did. It was fun, but it

787
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: you know, we just it was.

788
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to find this. I'm going to find one. Yeah, Yeah,

789
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna going up and I'm going to show up

790
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: a little gorse and by Steve Madden.

791
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: Because people wear they don't wear. When I started to

792
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: play golf as a child. I really started when I

793
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: was fourteen, and golf shoes were really cool. They were

794
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: like tassels and two tones and amazing, mind blowing. Golf

795
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: shoes were mind blowing. If you look in the fifties,

796
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: you look at the sixties to old players wore beautiful

797
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: shoes and then it kind of like Nike sort of

798
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: took over the business, and it's sort of like sneakers now.

799
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 6: I try to.

800
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: Cuten it up.

801
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I do the little flaps on the top of my sneakers.

802
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 6: I'm all about flat.

803
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 4: Those are good.

804
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: Yes, flaps, you're good. I'll put on a good golf yeah,

805
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: little golf.

806
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: Golf shoe for yeah, yeah, yes, so you golf.

807
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: I do. I do play golf, So that's.

808
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: A good meditator. That's like meditation to me.

809
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: It's like it's so frustrating everything.

810
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 6: I lose my fucking mind on the golfers, but I

811
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 6: love it.

812
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,799
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Speaker 1: So we have a segment that we do on IRL

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Speaker 1: podcasts is the Edge. It's the voice note section. It's

826
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: presented by boosmobell thank you to Okay, we love and

827
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: it's usually a fan, a friend, or somebody has a question. Okay,

828
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: so she is our she's to our voice note today.

829
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: Okay.

830
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: She's a former employee of Steve Madden. Right, Yes, she

831
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: worked in the Aventary store.

832
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that was That's one of my favorite stories.

833
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 8: In my last year of college, I have failed my

834
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 8: seniors and I hate it. I hated being in school.

835
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 8: It was like in a bad place. And Steve Man

836
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 8: was my first wee til Jo. I'm like, I'm just

837
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 8: gonna go work and see and it was one of

838
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 8: the best times that I've ever had. Whoever was my manager?

839
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, really yeah uh.

840
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 8: Me and you also had the best employee, Birks, because

841
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 8: it was fifty.

842
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.

843
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 5: That's a lot.

844
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 8: During the busiest times.

845
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: I worked through Christmas Black Friday. Yes, Shane, and.

846
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 8: You visited and I was like, what the fuck is Steve?

847
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that.

848
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 8: And I was working cashier and you said something to me.

849
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 8: You were like, you got the best seat in the house.

850
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did see that.

851
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: I got to upgrade my material. That was good, But

852
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: I did you. I love going to Aventura during the holidays.

853
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: I love chopping around and seeing the action.

854
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you like telling themself.

855
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 8: One of the associates sell Isshoe, that you camber early

856
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 8: before the big right. Well, but that like inspired me

857
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 8: to like and then I started reading a fun story

858
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 8: and that inspired me to finish school. I went back.

859
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: I finished.

860
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 8: I just started for like four or five months, and

861
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: it was just like one of the best experiences in retail.

862
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: That I ever had.

863
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 8: Minus some of the people, because retail also teaches you

864
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 8: a lot about.

865
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 6: Dealing some of the customers the public.

866
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: They can be rude. Yeah, yeah, I know, but.

867
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 8: But I always respected that, Hey you're giving us your part.

868
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, that.

869
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 8: That never bothered me. But I really admire the.

870
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you?

871
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: Wow. So wasn't it really a question? There was no question?

872
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Was there a question?

873
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 4: There's no question?

874
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I used to enjoy. I loved going to

875
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: the aventer a mall and uh, so many different it's

876
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: just great customers, all different walks of life, very very

877
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: cross sectioning, and it was great.

878
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: You're like you like to, uh, you probably study the

879
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: customer to some extent.

880
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: Well, I do. I do. There's all types. And Aventura

881
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: is great because so many different We skill out of

882
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: South Americans Canadians, and we do. We test a lot

883
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: of shoes in Aventura.

884
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: How do you test a shoe?

885
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: So what you do is, you know, you make a

886
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: short run, little sample in a sample room and you so,

887
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: for instance, an example of that would be you would

888
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: make a sandal and you put it in Aventura because

889
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: it's freezing in New York and no one's buying a sandal.

890
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: So you go down there and you get a little

891
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: feedback on it. So if you know they start picking

892
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: up the sandal. You know that you might have this.

893
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: Is a good one here, Yes, test and react.

894
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: We still do it.

895
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 4: I love that you love this still I do.

896
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: That's my favorite part of the business. I love that

897
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: testing shoes and seeing what they mean. Love it all

898
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: these years later, love it. I still do. And it's

899
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: such a it's such a gas, you know, it's really.

900
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure people come to you for advice all the

901
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: time about starting business.

902
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: Usually they come to me for money.

903
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Really, what is the number one thing people ask for

904
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: money for?

905
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they go to a lot of

906
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: startups and things like that of stuff.

907
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Usually I get fifteen or twenty before one o'clock.

908
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: But but what about people who are really starting?

909
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Do you have like advice that you get give?

910
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: So you know what I'm Chad yelled at me last

911
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: time because I always say the same thing. It's okay, dad,

912
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: my colleague over there. I believe that you have to

913
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: learn the business. You know, a lot of people want

914
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: to go into business, and I think it's helpful to

915
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: know the business. For example, I think that if you were,

916
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: you know, wanted to learn the restaurant business, it would

917
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: be helpful to maybe working around restaurant, maybe be a

918
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: waitress or a waiter, you know, and if your goal,

919
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: like if you said, like I want to open my

920
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: own joint one day, or be a bartender, like I

921
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: think those are just things that come to mind.

922
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 4: Ye, learn your business.

923
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: I think learning the business and then going into business. Yes,

924
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: is now that for me? That happened sort of organically.

925
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: I was sweeping a basement when I was sixteen. By seventeen,

926
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: I was up on the floor selling shoes. I mean

927
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: I learned all these things. It wasn't a plan, you know,

928
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 2: it was just the way it went down. But by

929
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: the time, you know, I was ready to go on

930
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 2: my own, I knew a lot of stuff or any

931
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: had sort of good Yeah, had sort of good college.

932
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: It was sort of the school of shoes.

933
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. People never want to do that.

934
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: They want to go right to this.

935
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: Yes, they do. They seem to right now, this generation,

936
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: because you know, they see they see the you know

937
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: on social media, you see success, and you want to

938
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: do it right away. And I certainly don't blame them,

939
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: but I am telling you my advice, and that's my

940
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: ropes to learn the ropes man and whatever you know

941
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: or The other thing is to find a mentor. You know,

942
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: like if you got lucky to work in a company,

943
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: Let's say it was a bigger company and you had

944
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: somebody that you looked up to, that you worked for,

945
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: and you would be willing to do anything as an

946
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: assistant or whatever the title was. You know, that is

947
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: like just gold, gold, That is fucking gold. You get

948
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: a mentor and you and you learn and you you know,

949
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: and that's Those are the things that I would suggest.

950
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: There's and then the other stuff. Whether you have talent

951
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: or not, it's another story, my story for another day.

952
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: It is a story for another day.

953
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: Anyway. I know we're wrapping up and I probably shouldn't ask.

954
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: This is more of like a beginner I should have

955
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: asked at the beginning. But is there some thing about

956
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: a shoe? Like what is the love of a Shoehe it.

957
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: Is, It's a great question, it is. It's just what

958
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: I do.

959
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 4: Where did that come from?

960
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: You know? I worked in a shoe store as a teenager.

961
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: I know, But how did you even wind up there?

962
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: It was God, I don't know what. I walked into

963
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: a shoe store and got a job because you needed money,

964
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: I needed a job. I was a kid, and we

965
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: went to work. That's what you did in those days,

966
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: you know. He said he got a job.

967
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: What was the shoe store like?

968
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 6: It was a shoe store, regular my hometown, neighborhood, neighborhood,

969
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 6: shoe store called Toulouse. It was called Toulouse. And the

970
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 6: owner of the store was a sort of an ex hippie.

971
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 6: It was I was again another lucky break.

972
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: This guy was this like great artist character and he

973
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: owned the store and he was like this like ex hippie,

974
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: you know, he look like a rock star and he

975
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: had the store, and I wanted to be like this guy.

976
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: And so that was it.

977
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: So you just shoes shoes.

978
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: And so that was it. That's the thing. You get

979
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: a mentor, you know. Yeah, So what a break that

980
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: is if you can find somebody.

981
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've done that for a lot of people.

982
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 2: I don't know about all that, but no, it's true.

983
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: Look at even Brittany, young Brittany, Young.

984
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Brittany was one. I'm sure there are many many, all right.

985
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: And then finally, what is the what does the future

986
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: look like? What is the next five ten years?

987
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: So the future, what does the future look like?

988
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: What are your goals now, like, what do you do.

989
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 4: You have any more goals?

990
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: Are you just trying to like get a good night dad,

991
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: get a good night sleep.

992
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 6: Get a good night's sleep, Be good dad, Be good guy.

993
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

994
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I like you like your legacy, like work.

995
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: Let's talk about your legacy.

996
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 6: Come on, I don't know.

997
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to do. I want to make

998
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: great shoes. I still do. Really, I want to make

999
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: shures that you guys all by. That's what that's we

1000
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: buy them all the time. So you did that, so no, no,

1001
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: But the thing is that before this, you know, you

1002
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: have your think, well, maybe I should like make a movie,

1003
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: you know, or maybe I should make a you know,

1004
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: like you go into music right because I like music, right,

1005
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: But just because you like music doesn't mean you can

1006
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: go to the fucking music basis. That's dopey. I did that.

1007
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people that make a

1008
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: lot of money do that stuff. And so you learn that,

1009
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's not about staying in your lane. I

1010
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: don't give a shit about that. I mean, there are

1011
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: many people that do a lot of different things. But

1012
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: for me, you know, this is what I do. I

1013
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: do what I do, and you know, I'm cool with it,

1014
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to like, you know, listen to music

1015
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: and not own it.

1016
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: Right. I'm not going to go be a professional golfer

1017
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: anything exactly.

1018
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: I wish I was better at golf.

1019
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then, I don't want to be a professional.

1020
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: No, it's no, but there's you'll see them down there.

1021
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: Yah.

1022
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1023
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: But then you find that thing, your shoe, your shoe,

1024
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: then it becomes your thing.

1025
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is my thing.

1026
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: It's about in real life though, as a human being,

1027
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: like do you have anything that you're chasing for yourself?

1028
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: Lo, And it's getting late, honey, it's kind of late.

1029
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: I'm getting up there. Uh yeah, I mean I'm getting

1030
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: up there.

1031
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 6: You know.

1032
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm still in good shape. I'm still you know, doing

1033
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: my thing. And it's getting late. It's getting late, you know.

1034
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: But I guess the big thing is, you know, being

1035
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: trying to raise kids, be good dad. That's a good thing.

1036
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: That's a really good thing. The thing is, though there

1037
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: is no secret to that. You know, everybody could say whatever,

1038
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: Like my father, you know the stuff that I get

1039
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: from my dad. My dad died a long time ago,

1040
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: and I learn it. I get it today, Like now

1041
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: in my last twenty years. Oh that's what my dad

1042
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: I was talking about. So as a kid, I was

1043
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: an idiot. I didn't know that's probably healing and what

1044
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: he's saying the fuck he's talking. But now I said,

1045
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: oh shit, that's what my dad meant. Yes, So that's

1046
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: the gift sometimes.

1047
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: What do you think your parents would think if they

1048
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: saw what the world sees now those Steve Mann and

1049
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: signs everywhere.

1050
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. They'd be surprised maybe, but think so. Yeah,

1051
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: you know, but the things you get don't often happen

1052
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: at that moment, and no one listens to their parents

1053
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: when they're seventeen or twenty two. You think you know

1054
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: everything and you just want to have fun and get

1055
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: high and whatever it is, you know.

1056
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: But they'd probably be proud.

1057
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: They would be proud. And I am so grateful for

1058
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: my parents now the things that I now that I'm

1059
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: able to use the stuff they gave me.

1060
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you've done what you've done pretty well.

1061
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know about all that, but we did. We're trying.

1062
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 5: You did.

1063
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you did ye And I'm sure you have a

1064
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: lot of people have at testament to what they've learned

1065
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: from you, and and I'm hoping hopefully today your story

1066
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: is to be on the show. Thank you, thank you

1067
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: for today. Is there any segment things that we need

1068
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: to do before we go? Thank you so much for

1069
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: your time today. You're a fucking rock star. Do you

1070
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: have do you have favor?

1071
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 4: Do you have a new all time favor?

1072
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: I do?

1073
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, I have a lot of shoes, Yes I do.

1074
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: They said, Joe, I like, why do you hate those?

1075
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: You know? But I like. I like a lot of

1076
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: boots that I'm making. I'm really into. Yeah.

1077
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: Uh, you know when you show up for Workingston Steve

1078
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: Maddison's your shoes and trash.

1079
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: You know what I like?

1080
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: I love the look. Let me tell you the look

1081
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: I really love. I've been excited about it for a

1082
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: while and just now it's bearing fruit. Is the look

1083
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: that girls are wearing dresses with boots or skirts with

1084
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: the with the tall shaft boot and the leg. You know,

1085
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: so they were in a short skirt with the boot

1086
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: or with a western boot, you know, cowboy boot with

1087
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: a short shirt is so funky. I just love that look,

1088
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: you know I do. It's such a great look.

1089
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 4: You don't have a favorite shoe of all time.

1090
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, I had so many shoes,

1091
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: so many.

1092
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Great that's like this annoying ask question.

1093
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 6: No, it's not annoying.

1094
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time, what's your favorite interview

1095
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: of all time? I'm like, it's impossible to say that.

1096
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: It's probably the same thing when somebody says, what is

1097
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Speaker 1: your favorily.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had a lot of favorite shoes. I've

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Speaker 2: had so many great shoes. I'm the First time I

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Speaker 2: made a sneaker was so exciting, a platform sneaker. First

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Speaker 2: time I made a slipper, I made this big slipper,

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Speaker 2: changed the slipper business, and everybody went on and made

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Speaker 2: these shoes and I never made another slipper again. I

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Speaker 2: was called it the Fuzzy and it was great. But

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Speaker 2: we made a lot of great boots, and now we're

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Speaker 2: making like these. You know, this look which is very

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Speaker 2: sort of very sort of collegy kind of short skirts

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Speaker 2: with the boots.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're in right now.

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Speaker 2: I love that look.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it gets great.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like almost like they wear it in

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Speaker 2: the spring. Yeah, you know, most it's very sort of

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Speaker 2: festival I think, Yeah, I would call it.

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Speaker 4: I love how much you love it?

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Speaker 2: I do, I do. I've never been to What's the

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Speaker 2: Big Fast? My daughter goes, Yeah, I can't go.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you still love designing that much

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Speaker 1: is really it's too hot?

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Speaker 2: Is too hot?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: They really are to get some fucking hot. I went

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Speaker 2: to coach, I went to.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we learned from Steve Madden today. He's a

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Speaker 1: fucking stickler for detail. He will find what the fuck

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Speaker 1: is wrong with something, but he will also find the

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Speaker 1: beauty of something.

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Speaker 5: All right, Steve Madden everything.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're so fun.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is Steve Madden in real life.

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