1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: You and Me Both is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm Hillary Clinton and I'm America Ferrera and together we're 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: bringing you a very special edition of You and Me Both. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: It's a companion guide, you could call it for election Day. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: I am thrilled to be here with America. You probably 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: know her as the Emmy Award winning actor for Ugly Betty, 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: and you're probably watching her amazing show Superstore, but you 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: may not know she's a triathlete, which just blows me away. 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: And she's someone who I first met on the campaign 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: trail back in two thousand and eight, and I've been 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: honored to have her support and friendship in the years since. 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I was so excited to be having this conversation with 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: you because I have a number of text chains that 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: started on election night and have persisted it for four years. 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: And here we are, four years later at this presidential election, 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: and what everyone around me is sensing is so much anxiety, 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: so much fear. I mean, I feel it taking a 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: toll on me physically, mentally. I'm literally wearing bright colors 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: just to stay hopeful. I'm like, I have to do 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: everything in my power to like stay above this this, 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't use this term lightly because 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I know that it's serious. But I think we have 23 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: collective PTSD. Yes, I know we do. I am so curious, 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: what are you going to do on election Day? Like, 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: how are you going to get through it? Because I 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: have no idea what I'm gonna do. You know, I'm 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: anxious because this time four years ago, I thought I 28 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: was going to win, and that's what, you know, it 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: appeared to be. So when it comes to election day, 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: for the longest time, I thought I would vote early. 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: But then I've been wondering, well, what will I do 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: on election How will I organize my time if I'm 33 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: not like planning to go vote and standing in line 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: and doing what you do when you go to vote. 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: So I don't know yet, America. I'm trying to be 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: as calm and focused as I can, and right now 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to practice a lot of deep breathing. I 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: think that would be the best way to get through 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: the next few days. Reminder, so here's our game plan 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: for today. You can get all the election related punditry 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: you want. You can look at all the polls till 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: your eyes cross. You can do that NonStop over the 43 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: next or who knows how many hours this is not 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: that let me let me be right up front with you. Yeah, 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: and thank God for that. Instead, America and I are 46 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: introducing you to people across our country who are working 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: their hearts out for this election, all in different ways. Yeah, 48 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: we're talking to a candidate for the state House in Tennessee, 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: and a first time voter in North Carolina, and a 50 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: seventeen year old and Georgia who is too young to 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: vote but has put everything she has into getting other 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: people to participate in the elections, and a veteran organizer. 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: And we also get to check in with some of 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: our favorite pals out there doing incredible work, Kalpenn, Zelina 55 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Maxwell and the fabulous gillin In Doyle. So we're gonna 56 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: take a little time to breathe together. We helped to 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: have a few laughs together and to be inspired together. Ready, America, 58 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: I am so ready. Let's do this. First up, I 59 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: want to introduce Mallory Rogers. Now. Malory is a seventeen 60 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: year old high school student in Rome, Georgia, and even 61 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: though she can't vote yet, she is very involved in politics. Hey, Mallory, 62 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: are you hi? Hi? I am so great, and it's 63 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: a thrill to be talking with you today. You're doing 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: what I wish every young person, everybody in high school 65 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: would do, and that's getting involved in our elections and 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: politics right now. I think it's so inspiring, and I 67 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: would love for you to tell me, you know how 68 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: you got involved and what you've been doing. I actually 69 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: got involved with our local League of Women Voters. They 70 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: asked me to sign up to be a poor worker, 71 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: and so I did. And then after that I kind 72 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: of kept getting involved and went support of elections meetings 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: and registered voters and doing everything I can to make 74 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: democracy work. I love that you got involved through the 75 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: League of Women Voters, a group that I am a 76 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: huge supporter of, and you started your high school's first 77 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: political club called the League of Young Voters. Tell me 78 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: about that. So we actually it's the first political club. 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: Like you said, we're non partisan, so we we don't 80 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: pick side either way. That way we can get more done. 81 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: I feel like it's easier to get stuffed on human Yes, 82 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: and so we um had a voter registration drive on 83 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: National Voter Registration Day, which was difficult with COVID, but 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: we still we got thirty when people registered, which was exciting. Yes, 85 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and we've been doing community drives and I think we 86 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: have eleven or twelve people who have signed up to 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: work the polls from the club, and these are people 88 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: most people in the club can't actually vote, but we're 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: over sixteen so we can work the poles in Georgia. 90 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: You're doing something really important because, as you know, given 91 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, there's a major shortage of poll workers since 92 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: historically poll workers have been retired people you know, who 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: could spend the whole day at the polls. We can't 94 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: have free and fair elections without poll workers, and so 95 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: you have really been on the front lines. How did 96 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: you even know about this back in June and sign 97 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: up to do it? I was sorry. I actually signed 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: up when our primary is supposed to be in March. 99 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: So I was sixteen when I first signed up, and um, 100 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: it was the League of Women Voters. But after I 101 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: worked in June, I got my friends to work in 102 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: August because they needed even more people because there was 103 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: a shortage, like you said, for COVID nineteen. So eight 104 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: of us worked in August and that was a really 105 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: rewarding experience to work with my friends and we actually 106 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: pushed to get bilingual poll workers here in Floyd County 107 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: because when I started, they had no bilingual po workers 108 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: at all, and we have a large Spanish speaking population 109 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: here in Floyd County. So two of my friends who 110 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: are bilingual signed up, and then I think we had 111 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: two more of my friends who are bilingual sign up 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: for November, so we'll have four bilingual poll workers, which 113 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: is not a lot, but it's better than none. I 114 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: think that is terrific that you you saw need. I 115 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: love this about you, Malory. You saw need and you 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: decided that you were going to help meet it. You're 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: going to solve the problem. So when you've been interacting 118 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: with your community, have you had any memorable encounters or 119 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: conversations as you're registering voters or checking in people as 120 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: a poll worker. Yes. So we had one voter registration 121 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: drive where we had a lady come up who was 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: a felon, and so we asked her if she was 123 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: off paper, because you can register TOBOT after you're off paper, 124 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: and she said she was as of a few months ago. 125 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: So we started to sign her up and she registered, 126 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: and it was such an exciting experience because she gets 127 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: to vote again, and she didn't know that she could 128 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: register again. She thought that she would never be able 129 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: to vote again. So she was so excited, and we 130 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: had all these people who were hoping to register her, 131 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: like a league of women voters and some people from 132 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: a Black Lives Matter protest, and we were just all 133 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: there together celebrating her voting again. And that was That's 134 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: a really rememberable experience for me. So what are your 135 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: plans for election day? You're gonna be at the polls? 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: What time in the morning, Yes, ma'am, I will be 137 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: there at six am with a cup of coffee. And 138 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: are you signed up to be there the whole day? Yes. 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: We actually worked for fifteen hours in August, so I'm 140 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: hoping that it only goes till seven this time and 141 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: we have no technical difficulties, but I'll be there the 142 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: whole day. Well, I am very grateful that you and 143 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: and thousands of you know, young people like you are 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: showing up to work at the polls because that's the 145 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: only way we can run our elections. Now, let me 146 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: ask you this, Malory. I'm really impressed by you. Also, 147 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: you said a picture of yourself when you were five 148 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: years old wearing a pin supporting me and the two 149 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: eight presidential campaign. So you've been on the front lines 150 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: of caring about politics literally your entire life. What are 151 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: you interested in doing after high school? That is a 152 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: great question. I've always thought that I would do STEM 153 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: because I'm really interested in math, But after getting involved 154 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: with politics recently, I really am interested in public policy 155 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and possibly working on a campaign or maybe going into 156 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: politics myself, I have but I have no idea at 157 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: the moment, so we'll see. Well, one thing I would 158 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: suggest is someone who is interested in STEM, and particularly 159 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: someone who likes masks like you just said, don't lose 160 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: that because we need people in public life where they're 161 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: they're elected officials or working in government in some way 162 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: who have those skills. So I hope that you'll be 163 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: able to put to work the skills that you have 164 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: in STEM. But I just want to tell you how 165 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: proud I am of you, and I hope more young 166 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: people who hear this podcast or are told about it 167 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: will think about being poll workers too. Thank you, yes, man, 168 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: I hope said to you. Thank you so light. I 169 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: love the fact America that Malory is going to be 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: a poll watcher to make sure that our elections work 171 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: the way they should. Yeah, Malory is so incredibly impressive, 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: And what I was thinking listening to your interview with 173 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: her was just I feel passionate that young people across 174 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: this country should, all of us, should have opportunities like 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Mallory early on to really get involved. And I just 176 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: think it's so inspiring when young people have that opportunity, 177 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: which brings us to, you know, our our next young 178 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: person who is also really looking forward to this election. 179 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: Those of you listening, you may not know his name, 180 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: but chances are you've heard his story. His name is 181 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Justin Blackman, and he became an activist two years ago 182 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: after the tragic school shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: School in Parkland, Florida. And a month after the shooting, 184 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: survivors of that shooting organized a national walkout at schools 185 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 1: across the country. And here was Justin in Wilson, North Carolina. 186 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: On the day of this national walkout, he walks out 187 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of his class and finds himself standing completely alone in 188 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: his school's parking lot, and no one else walked out 189 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: with him. He was on his own, and he recorded 190 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: a short video and the video went viral, and this year, 191 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Justin is eighteen, so he gets to vote, so we 192 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: really wanted to check get with him and see how 193 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: he was feeling about this election. Hey Justin, Hello, Hi, 194 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. How are you doing? I'm doing fine, 195 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: just hanging in there, you know. You know, before we 196 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: jump into kind of this moment in this election, I 197 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: would love to hear you talk a little bit about 198 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: what happened back in eighteen when you were the only 199 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: student in your school to join the National walkout Day 200 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: in support of the many students who had experienced gun 201 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: violence in their schools. Tell me the story about that day. 202 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: So I remember, like the start of that day, I 203 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: came into school thinking, Okay, this is going to be 204 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: a different day from anybody else because we have a 205 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: walkout day because of the shooting that took place on 206 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, I believe, and on that day seventeen people died, 207 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: so we had to walk out for seventeen minutes of silence. 208 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: So I did that at my school, and I was 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: the only one to do it at my school, and 210 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: then I made like a little but thirty second video. 211 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: I was expecting nobody to see it because at the 212 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: time on Twitter only had like the hundred followers, and 213 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: then literally did I know that that video grew to 214 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I think six points something million views, and ever since then, 215 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: I've been on and off talking around activism for gun 216 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: violence and other things. Did you think of yourself as 217 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: a particularly engaged active citizen before that day or did 218 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: that day change something for you? I do feel like 219 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty active in communities, but not necessarily on social media, 220 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: like to help a lot. I like to do a 221 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: lot of community work, but it wasn't never really two 222 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: years ago, before this happened, I wasn't the person to 223 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: say go vote because I wasn't allowed to vote myself, 224 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and to be quite frank, I wasn't necessarily thinking about 225 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: that at that age. But now that I am at 226 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: the age, I'm planning on going with a couple of 227 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: friends to help them vote for the first time. And 228 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: is that is that? Like, what is the response you're 229 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: getting from your friends, who your age, who you're talking 230 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: to about voting. Do you feel like they are aware 231 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: of what's happening in this moment and what's at stake 232 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: in this moment. I feel like the majority is they 233 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: understand that we need people to show up at the 234 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: polls rather than just retweeting a tweet or reposting something 235 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram. There's a thirty percent that say, oh, my 236 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: vote doesn't count. Whoever wins is gonna win with screwty 237 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: either way. But that's if you have that mindset. Then 238 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: we were we were. We lost in the beginning before 239 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: we even started. And do you think you've managed to 240 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: change anybody's mind, any of your peers, any of your friends. 241 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: I definitely did. I have a couple of friends that 242 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to vote at all, and they're now going 243 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: to vote. Some that plan on voting for a candidate 244 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe in. But it's better than nothing 245 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: at all, in my opinion. And have you voted yet? Actually? 246 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Did I have my pen right here? If you voting, 247 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: then that is a snazzy voting that What are your 248 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: what are your plans for election day? So I would 249 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: have I'd have one friend come pick me up and 250 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: then we're going to be all meeting at the election 251 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: spot and we're going to just go together. Obviously I 252 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: can't go in because I already voted, but I'm going 253 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: to meet them on the other side. And after that, 254 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we said we're going to go and 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: get some food, which is a reason why I feel 256 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: like a couple of them are going to go. But 257 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, as long as we're getting them to vote, 258 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that's all that matters. Yeah, And I guess my last 259 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: question is this is your first year voting. Do you 260 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: think that you're going to be a lifetime voter? Do 261 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: you think you'll always vote? Yes, as long as I'm 262 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: able to vote, I will definitely use my rights because 263 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm voting for the people that look like me, like 264 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: couldn't vote before me, and I don't know, I feel 265 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: like it's just very disrespectful to not vote, So I'm 266 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: going to be voting every time I can. Well, that's 267 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: great to hear. I'm glad and thank you for the 268 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: work that you're doing to talk to your friends, because 269 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: I really do think that there is so much power 270 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: in that every single one of us has influenced with 271 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: our friends, with our family, with the people we know, 272 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: to make this process personal and to encourage the people 273 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: we know to get out to vote. The fact show 274 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: that you justin are going to be much more effective 275 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: at getting your friends out to vote than any candidate, 276 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: than any celebrity, you know, than any campaign. You taking 277 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: the time to speak to your friends about what's at 278 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: stake and why it matters for them to vote is 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: real power, and I thank you so much for using it, 280 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see what your future holds. 281 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You know, talking to Mallory and 282 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Justin really gives me hope. And someone who understands the 283 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: power of young people in politics is our next guest, 284 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: Cal Pen. Now you may remember Cal comedian and actor 285 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: for his roles in Harold and Kumar Go to Whitecastle 286 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: and the TV show House. Well you may not know, though, 287 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: he went on to be actively involved in democratic politics 288 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: and actually worked in the White House during the Obama administration. 289 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: And in the last six weeks leading up to this election, 290 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: Cal did an amazing thing. He put out a weekly 291 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: show called Cal Penn Approves This Message. We all know 292 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: that line from candidates ads, but what he was doing 293 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: was trying to educate and mobilize young people to vote. 294 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: And each episode focused on a specific issue like climate 295 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: change or human rights or education and looked at how 296 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: we got where we are. So I wanted to talk 297 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: to Cal about the years he has spent helping young 298 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: voters make their voices heard, and that's where we started 299 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: our conversation. I am very happy to see you, Cal, 300 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: and I'm particularly interested in what you're doing trying to 301 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: mobilize young people. Do you think that there's a real 302 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: hunger among young people to be more involved and to 303 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: maybe work through for themselves where they stand on these shoes. 304 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: I think so. I think it seems like young voters 305 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: today are are less party conscious, They're less affiliated. Um, 306 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: I would imagine that that's gonna mean that changes that 307 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: each major party is going through is probably going to 308 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: continue for quite some time. But I also see that 309 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: as an opportunity. Like I remember just thinking about when 310 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, I was at the White House when don't 311 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: as Don't Tell got repealed, and I had a very 312 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: small part. I was a very small part of the 313 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: outreach team. But I remember thinking that took so long, 314 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: and the different iterations of what had to happen for 315 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: this policy to first get enacted and then get repealed, 316 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: and all along the way it was viewed as this 317 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: is the right thing to do at the time. So 318 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: those benchmarks over time are such an interesting thing that 319 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: I think if you're young now, of course you look 320 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: at that and you think, well, don't don't tell you 321 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: that got repealed a long time ago, you know, and 322 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: it's it gives me hope. I I don't know how you. 323 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: I would actually love to know your thoughts on this. 324 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: It seems like younger voters sit there and they go, oh, Obama, Clinton, 325 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: They're so moderate, And I'm like, are you kidding me? That? 326 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: What a place of luxury? Actually, like, you know how 327 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: hard people had to fight for you to think that 328 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: Barack Obama and the Clinton's are moderate. Like, maybe they 329 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: are moderate by today's youth standards. That's a good thing, 330 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: because that's a benchmark of progress to me, Like, how 331 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: do you view because I assume you hear that all 332 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: the time too, Well, yes, I I have heard that, 333 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: and I've laughed about it with Barack because it is 334 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: a matter of perspective. It's it's like what you just 335 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: said about the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. If 336 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: you think about it, in the number of years that 337 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: most young people have been alive, it seems like it 338 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: took forever. If you think about it, in the great 339 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: sweep of historic change. It was lightning fast to move 340 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: toward eliminating barriers to the LGBT community being fully participants 341 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: in every aspect of American life, to gay marriage. I 342 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: mean that was warp speed. But you're also very a 343 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: student saying but people sort of take that for granted. Okay, fine, 344 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: thank you very much. What's next? Because part of the 345 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: fight over Don't Ask, Don't Tell and gay marriage was 346 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: to keep it alive and not let the opponents literally 347 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: in shrine opposition in the constitution. So everything is a 348 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: trade off. And when you say, well, you know you're 349 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: a moderate, I like to say I'm a progressive who 350 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: likes to get things done, and very often it's supposed 351 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: to be in a democracy that you push as hard 352 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: as you can for the maximum outcome that you are seeking, 353 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: but along the way you probably are going to have to, 354 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: you know, compromise. It's an ongoing debate, and it's a 355 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: good debate because I think you want to push the 356 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: system as far as possible, but don't get discouraged when 357 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: the other side pushes back, because if you get discouraged, 358 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: that just plays right into their hands. That is literally 359 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: one of the undercurrents of our entire series is that 360 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes the system is designed to make you 361 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: feel powerless, to make you feel like, well, my vote 362 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, so why bother. And then one of the 363 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: things we're just trying to explain is just think about 364 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: this for a second, that if your vote really didn't matter, 365 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: why would they go through that much effort to prevent 366 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: showing up. It's because they're scared of your power, and 367 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: in particular young people. Wow, they really don't want young 368 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: people to vote. This was a huge issue in the sixties. 369 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: And when you get that right and then people basically say, oh, 370 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: thank you very much, but I'm not interested, you get 371 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: a little bit agitated because you know what a difference 372 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: it would make if you if you had the percentage 373 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: of young people voting, say under twenty five, that you 374 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: have a people over seventy are politics would look really different, 375 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: and a lot of issues like climate change or free 376 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: tuition for public colleges and universities, those would be accomplished 377 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: because people in public life listen to those voices that 378 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: they think are going to either keep them in office 379 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: or take them out. And one of my friends has 380 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: often said, you know, we're always talking about the youth vote. 381 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: And at the very end of every campaign, where does 382 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: the attention go at tension goes to people over sixty. 383 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Why because despite our hopes, we really, really, really know 384 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: that those folks are going to turn out. I'm always 385 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: fascinated by, you know, every demographic group except for young people. 386 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: So African American vote, Irish American vote, South Asian vote, 387 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: whatever you measure them in every four year period, and 388 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: with the exception of expanding the electorate within those communities, 389 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: they're generally the same humans were showing up. But youth vote, 390 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: it's not the same human beings in those four year 391 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: periods because you age out of the demo. We're talking 392 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: about a totally new set of people. So while it's amazing, 393 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: like I'm very hopeful by the fact that mid terms 394 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: of the highest you vote in decades, but two years 395 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: worth of those people our first time voters, now they 396 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: weren't even there. So it's it's this weird thing where 397 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: I feel like we're chastising somebody who just turned eighteen 398 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: for the twenty year old two years ago. Um, And 399 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: to your point, like any way to encourage that and 400 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: set the stage of here's what progress looked like it 401 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: took decades of young people to get the voting age 402 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: to eighteen. It took decades of young people to get 403 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: some sort of a recognition for Sudan and South Sudan. 404 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Imperfect solution, obviously, but it was faith groups coming together 405 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: with college campuses over a period of years and years 406 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: and years to draw attention to genocide. That's what what 407 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: fueled so much of that. It was slow, Yeah, it is. 408 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: It's painfully, painfully slow, but you got to believe change 409 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: is possible even if you get your heart broken because 410 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: it takes so long. I mean, ten years ago, if 411 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: you and I had been talking, I don't think either 412 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: one of us would have realistically expected. We might have 413 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: hoped for having the daughter of two immigrants on the 414 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: ticket as the next vice president of our country, and 415 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: we would have been kind of probably kidding or saying, oh, yeah, 416 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: I'll never happened, you know, given all the other problems. 417 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: But it is happening, So cal Pen, thank you so 418 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: much for spending this time talking to me about a 419 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: lot of the things that are really critically important to 420 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: our democracy that you are determined to make accessible and 421 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: entertaining an educational to your viewers, especially young people. Well, 422 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: let me thank you also just for sharing all of 423 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: your incredible experience and stories. We've looked up to you 424 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I appreciate it very much. 425 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: Cal Pen approves. This message wrapped up last week, but 426 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: you can still watch all of it on Hulu, and 427 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: I recommend it as a timer for issues we need 428 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: to think about all the time, not just during an election. Yeah, 429 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And I think what Cal's doing 430 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: is so important and part of what we all should 431 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: be thinking about. I can't think of anything more important 432 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: and more vital to the health of our democracy than 433 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: us finding ways to make our system feel accessible and 434 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: so the plainist language that we can find to engage 435 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: people and help them understand, you know why the city comptroller, 436 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: like you know, matters in you know, to you, that's 437 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: the work that needs to be done right now. I 438 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: just I'm so inspired by what Cal's doing. And you know, 439 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a dork for these things, which is evident 440 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: by the fact that I've spent twelve years, you know, 441 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: on the trail for Canadas who I am inspired by 442 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: and I love being on the campaign trail this year 443 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: looks really different out there. Yes, so I wanted to 444 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: hear from a seasoned organizer who I know. You know, Hillary, 445 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: and I know because I met her in Nevada working 446 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: for you. And I wanted Emmy Louise, this incredible long 447 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: time organizer, to talk to us about what it looks 448 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: like on the ground this election season. Emmy is such 449 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: an amazing human being. She is, as you said, a 450 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: longtime organizer, but in my view, one of the best 451 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: in the entire country. Yeah. Well, he lives in Austin, 452 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: Texas with her wife and her two and a half 453 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: year old son, Henry. She has been working tirelessly toward 454 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: this election day for the past four years, working to 455 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: help grassroots organizations and candidates. She's a partner at New 456 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: Coo Strategies, this political consulting firm she started, and she 457 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: helps run Onward Together. Well, that's the group I started 458 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: after the election to lift up groups and organizations to 459 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: support candidates and causes. And of course I immediately asked 460 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: Emmy to be involved. Well, she seems tireless and like 461 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: she's out there, you know, fighting the good fight for 462 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: all of us. So I wanted to check in with 463 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: her and see how she was feeling heading into these 464 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: final hours before the election. I'll start with, how are 465 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: you how how are you doing today? I'm great, you know, 466 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: I'm really optimistic. I think people are out there organizing, 467 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: people are out there voting, and that is good. Right. 468 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: The art of a campaign is you really want to 469 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: get to the morning after and say I did everything 470 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I could to turn out voters, to mobilize people, to 471 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: inspire people, to lay out our agenda. And I feel 472 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: like that's being done. And you're in Texas and all 473 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: eyes are on Texas right now. What does it feel 474 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: like to be in Texas right now? What's the energy like? Well, 475 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the energy is interesting because you know, we're in a pandemic, 476 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: so traditionally you might be able to be around a 477 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: lot of people around the campaign bustle and hustle on 478 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: the campaign office, and so it is a little different. 479 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: But I will tell you I think that the arc 480 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: of Texas has been moving in the right direction for 481 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: a few cycles. Now. I mean Hillary Clinton actually did 482 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: better in Texas than in places like Ohio. Then you 483 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: saw about the works race in uh and now I 484 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: mean we're looking at double digits of congressional races that 485 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: are toss ups that have never been toss ups before. 486 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: Pile that on the work that's been done for more 487 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: than a decade by organizations like Texas Organizing Project, Battleground Texas, 488 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: the Texas Democratic Party Annie's List. I mean, this work 489 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: has really been a long time coming. The first three 490 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: counties in the nation to surpass total turnout are in Texas, 491 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: right one, just just south of Austin, in Hayes County, 492 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: which is home to Texas State, where my few is 493 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: actually a student. And you know, there were organizations like 494 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: Move Texas who fought to the nail to make sure 495 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: that there was voting sites on campus, and that was 496 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: actually the first county in the nation to see this 497 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: record breaking turnout. And so there's a lot of activity 498 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: out there, and it's a really exciting time. I want 499 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: to talk to you about the Latin X vote because 500 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: for me, you know, I got engaged in the same 501 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: year you did, oh wait, and and in the exact 502 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: same place. And Nevada was my first time on the ground, 503 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, volunteering for a campaign getting out the vote, 504 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: and there were certainly experiences and interactions where I learned 505 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: so much about Latin X voters and getting them to 506 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: engage and be mobilized. What have you seen change in 507 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: the Latin X community with Latin X voters. You know, 508 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: I think what I have seen RelA shipping evolved throughout 509 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: the years is really the engagement of young people. Right 510 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, ten, two thousand eleven, I think 511 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot of us will remember. I don't want to 512 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: say the emergence because for me, they were in emergence 513 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: of when the Dreamers really started pushing the Obama administration. 514 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: That's when you really saw off for example, United we 515 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: dream really come to prominence. And I feel like there 516 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: were many Dreamers across the country who took that lead. 517 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: There were a lot of high school students in Nevada 518 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: and across the board that we're beginning to get involved. 519 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: And now I believe that you're seeing a lot of 520 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: young Latin X voters that are really pushing our party, 521 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: that are really pushing candidates toward a more progressive agenda. 522 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: And so I think that that has been one of 523 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: the more beautiful things out there. I mean, you see AOC, 524 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: you see Jessica Cisneo's on the Texas border. You see 525 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: Astrid Silva and Nevada. I mean, there are so many young, 526 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: incredible latin X leaders that are really showing us away. 527 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, A great onward together group that's doing this 528 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: work in Arizona is Mooch Arizona led by at the 529 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Moss and Alex who again are just these very I 530 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: think young visionary leaders right who are not taking no 531 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: for an answer and really thinking through. You know, these 532 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: are the big challenges. How are we going to do 533 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: this by mobilizing and building people's power. Yeah. Well, one 534 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: of the things that is already being talked about is 535 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the record number of young voters who are already turning 536 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: out in this election. And it gives you hope, almost 537 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: gives me hope, and then makes me scared that I 538 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: have any hope because we're also deeply draumatized. But have 539 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: you voted yet? Yes? I voted last week. I voted 540 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: last Friday. And what was that like? It was really awesome. 541 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: What are you voting for this year? You know? I 542 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: voted for a few things. I voted, you know, number 543 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: one for my son, who is a young boy. He's 544 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: two and a half years old, and he was a premium. 545 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: He was a Nickey for three weeks, and you know, 546 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: we didn't really have to worry a whole lot because 547 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: he had every privilege afforded to him. And I want 548 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: to make sure that every kid out there has the 549 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: same opportunities. And you know, I think in and beyond, 550 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: we've met a lot of stories out there, including this 551 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: one little girl, Capita in Nevada, who many people might 552 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: remember from the Brave Ad with Hillary Clinton, whose parents 553 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: were undocumented. And there are a lot of people like 554 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: her who have suffered greatly over the last four years. 555 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: And so I'm voting for them and also voting for 556 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: Hillary because you know, in her most difficult moment and 557 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: our most difficult moment as organizers, she told us to 558 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: keep going. And I believe many people have kept going, 559 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: many new people have joined in, and we wouldn't even 560 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: be here. I think I certainly wouldn't be here. We're 561 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: not for her. That's awesome, man. What's your plan for 562 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: election Day? Um? Needle a lot of pizza. I think 563 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to volunteer all the that's what do we do. 564 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: I would find a good local campaign going open some 565 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: doors in COVID responsible way and help turn out voters. 566 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: There is nothing more important to do on election day 567 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: than turning out voters up until the last moment, until 568 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: the polls closed, until every vote is counted. We'll be 569 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: right back. This is about a lot of different people. 570 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: It's about organizers like Emmy, it's about voters like us. 571 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: But let's pivot now to the person on the ballot. 572 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to Brandon Thomas, who 573 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: is running to represent District forty nine in Tennessee's State 574 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: House of Representatives. We were introduced to him by a 575 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: group that I really love that Onward Together support. It's 576 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: called Run for Something, which helps young people like Brandon 577 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: run for office, and so that's what he's doing. Brandon, 578 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: it is so great talking with you. Um, I really 579 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining me as we're racing to the finish 580 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: line of this election. It's um coming right on us. 581 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: How are you feeling anxious? Very anxious? Well, I would 582 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: be very surprised if you were not. You know, Brandon, 583 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: you're running in a traditionally Republican district, which makes for 584 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: a hard campaign but also an impactful one. And I 585 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: learned that this is your second time running in this district. 586 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: You ran for this seat back in ran alongside remember 587 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: that very well, So what made you decide to run 588 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: the first time? And then what made you think, Hey, 589 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to do this again? You know, Well, actually 590 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: in year old at the time, and I had actually 591 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: came back from working on an issue campaign in Iowa, 592 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: and so we were trying to get folks to sign 593 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: up get everything in the Democratic platform to have you know, 594 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: fair wages and paid family leave and stuff that's kind 595 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: of stuff. And when I came back home, there was 596 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: a week before the filing deadline, and you know, I 597 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: was like, why can't we just do that here? And 598 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: so that that's what made me run in sixteen. You know, 599 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. It was just like an 600 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: urge to do something to do good for my community. 601 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: This cycle, I was very reluctant to do it again. 602 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: Uh you know in seen we managed to get thirty 603 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: eight percent of the first time, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Some 604 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: people rounded up to forty So I'm not mad at him. 605 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we we ran that campaign the way 606 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: we did, but this time it was very thought out. Um, 607 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, I have a two year old son. Now 608 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: makes a big difference, doesn't it. Yes, yeah, and to 609 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: see how things have not changed in the past four years. Um. 610 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: Even just this past session, our state legislature took money 611 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: out of public schools to give the private schools, and 612 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: they promised teachers a pay raise and that didn't happen. 613 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: It's stuff like that, like this is going to be 614 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: affected my son's life when I think about what it 615 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: was like for my races for the Senate or for president. 616 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: The last week was just frantic running around, going as 617 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: many places as possible. But you're campaigning in the middle 618 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: of a pandemic, so you had to get a little 619 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: creative to reach people. What have you been doing? Um? 620 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: So you know, one thing I'll be doing a lot 621 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: is on slack. It's like an organizing channel. And so 622 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: we have a Slack channel. So that helps us kind 623 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: of like filter out what we're gonna do since we 624 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: always can't be doing webcams and we face to face, 625 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: it's the next best thing. Also, we got on TikTok, 626 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: so we did the whole Okay, so we're doing that 627 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: um and it actually became a really good tool because 628 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: my the person I'm running against, he's a character and 629 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: he tries to be like this folksy character. But when 630 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: you ask him questions like was a Civil War thought 631 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: over slavery, he doesn't know how to answer. He can't answer. 632 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: So we made that into a TikTok. We did a 633 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: Sarah Cooper and you know it's me as the reporter 634 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: asking the question and me being him holding up frocks 635 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: and everything. So we used it that way. And also, 636 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: you know this is a hot race, but you know 637 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a hot race when you get negative mail and 638 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: so so we got negative mail on us, and so 639 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: we used that as an opportunity to TikTok. So, yeah, 640 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: there was a digital ad that had me and Bernie 641 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: together with the red filter. Basically, this black guy and 642 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: this Jewish guy are going to take your money and 643 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: raise taxes, right and um, we just heard We made it. 644 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: We made fun of it. We put it on his head. 645 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: People laugh sometimes that's the best way to make them think. Well, 646 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, you really have a shot at making history 647 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: in this election, not only because you're a Democrat, which 648 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been the trend in these counties that you're seeking 649 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: to represent, but you are African American. You'd be the 650 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: first African American representative for your county. You are gay, 651 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: you'd be the first gay representative. How do you hope 652 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: your county and state will look different as your two 653 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: year old son, Ezra grows up there? You know, I 654 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: hope it looks like the community. Hope elected officials look 655 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: like the community and they understand the struggles people are 656 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: going through. I think what we see right now that's 657 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: not happening even down to like the school board level. Uh, 658 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: we start talking about this pandemic again, and they were 659 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: talking about how to reopen schools and this and that, 660 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: and there was nobody that looked like me or it 661 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: looked like my family that understood it. If you reopen 662 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: these schools and you know, if children are carriers or not, 663 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: and they bring that back to their grandparents, does that mean, 664 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: you know, do these schools have the resources they need? 665 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: We know they don't in the state of Tennessee. So 666 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: I would like to see representation that looks more like 667 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: the community. And that means folks gotta vote and they 668 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: have to run like you have, you know, the guts 669 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: to do. How are you feeling about the race and 670 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: these final hours? I am anxious. We have just got 671 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: some numbers that showed like, oh, you know that we 672 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: may be behind by like three percent, but we could 673 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: make it up. And um, so that that's just really 674 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: anxious inducing. Well but that but that's a great result. 675 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: In the district that you're in. People are not used 676 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: to voting for Democrats, so that's good news. How are 677 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: you going to spend election day? Election day, I'm probably 678 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: still want to be trying to get those straggler voters 679 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: out to vote. And then because it's literally gonna come 680 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: down to the wire where you know, we know that, 681 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: and you know, after seven o'clock, I've been joking with people, 682 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn my phone off. It sounds like people 683 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: are saying, no, you can't do that, that's not gonna happen. 684 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: So well, let's let's cross our fingers. And so I 685 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: have to end by asking you, Brandon, what are you 686 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna do if you wake up or you probably won't 687 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: have gone to sleep, But if you if you get 688 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: word that you have one and you're the new representative, 689 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to do as the new representative? Well, 690 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: you know I would probably cry it's a minute, a 691 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: year's work of just hard work. Um uh, you know 692 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: I would want to get to work in ensuring we 693 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: fund our schools and getting Medicaid expansion and paid familyly. 694 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: Those are the things. But immediately right what we could 695 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: do is expand Medicaid. That's just you know, that's a 696 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: that's getting the votes. I think that's that's like number one. 697 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: We gotta get people healthcare during the global tan slutely, 698 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: I just want to thank you Brandon Thomas. Thank you 699 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: for running, thank you for being determined, getting back up 700 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: and making sure that your voice was going to be heard. 701 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: And I think your hope for your family and particularly 702 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: for your two year old son, Ezra, is something that 703 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: everybody can relate to. So I got my fingers and 704 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: toes crossed for your branded good luck, Thank you, thank you. 705 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: Well to shift a little bit. You know, we've been 706 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: talking about everyday voters, and we've been talking about candidates 707 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: and what their days look like on election day, but 708 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: such a huge component on election day are our journalists, 709 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: the people who are you know, trying to help us 710 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: get the information we need to understand what's going on. 711 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: And so I thought i'd check in with Zerlina Maxwell, 712 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: who is a veteran of several presidential campaigns, including President 713 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: Obama's and she worked for you, Hillary, and yes she did. 714 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: Zerlina is just a force of nature. She served as 715 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: director of Progressive Media for my campaign in She has 716 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of energy and commitment. I'm really proud 717 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: of her. And now she's gone on to be in 718 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: the media herself. Yeah, that's right. She has a show 719 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: with Just McIntosh called Signal Boost on Sirius X, and 720 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: she recently launched a TV show called Zerlina on Peacock 721 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: And this is her first presidential election at the news 722 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: desk and I had an amazing time catching up with her. 723 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: She's in Virginia where she's staying with family during this pandemic. Heiser, Lena, 724 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: so nice too. How are you. I'm okay. I'm grateful 725 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: that I'm healthy, my family healthy. I feel like it's 726 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: almost the Hillary Clinton anser after the election. You know, 727 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm okay, but I'm worried for the country. Where are 728 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: you going to be an election day? I'm gonna be 729 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: in the house because I can't go outside. Um, you know, 730 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: we have Just McIntosh. You were sat next to me 731 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: and worked with me on Hillary's campaign. She's my coast 732 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: for my morning show on Serious Sex Them, so we'll 733 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: be up doing signal boost and we'll probably give a 734 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: like a rara even if you voted like go make 735 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: sure everybody did you know? Gr t V kinda lay 736 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: in the land morning show. And then I have a 737 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: show on Peacock as well, which is the streaming network 738 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: from NBC and MSNBC, and so I'll be a part 739 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: of that coverage at some point. I don't know exactly, 740 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: but I think for me, I'm going to be in 741 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: the house, which feels weird. All of this, this whole 742 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: year is so different that it was supposed to you know, 743 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be for everyone. So I don't get to 744 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: do the thing that I normally would do on an 745 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: election night, which is help whichever you know Canada, and 746 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm working for wins. That's really hard, but I'm gonna 747 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: try to at least use my platforms to amplify the 748 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: good stuffing. You're speaking all the time too, people from 749 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of different backgrounds and getting so many perspectives 750 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,439 Speaker 1: and and you know, so much information and so many 751 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: different analyzes. What in all of that helps you find 752 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 1: hope and helps you stay positive? Is there a conversation 753 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: that you've had recently that like you hold on to, 754 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: like how do you stay positive. There's something that has 755 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: happened in quarantine where I sort of like a It 756 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: gave us all a moment to pause, and then I 757 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, was there anything that I was doing 758 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: that was making me unhappy happy? You know, Like I 759 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,479 Speaker 1: did all of that processing, and then I was also 760 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: able to sort of prioritize what I was really truly 761 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: grateful for as well. And one of the things I'm 762 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: really grateful for is the time I'm getting with my mom, 763 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: because you know, she got ill in and I was 764 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: always like flying back, flying back, flying back, and now 765 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: I just get to be here every day. So in 766 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: the midst of like all the terrible I still get 767 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: that I will never not have that, so that's super cool. 768 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: But also my mom literally is the daughter of a 769 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: civil rights activist who marched in Selma with my aunt. 770 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: And one of the things that happened recently is I 771 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: was thinking about my grandfather because there's a photo of 772 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: him in the house and it just so happens to 773 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 1: be that it's right behind my head where I sit 774 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: now to host the show I do every day, and 775 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: so I can't but help the optimistic because I just 776 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: think about like everything he did, then everything my aunt did. 777 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: She was seventeen when she marched in Selma, you know, 778 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: and to think about the people who truly sacrificed to 779 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: get us to this point. It would be a real 780 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: shame for me to be like, oh, it's gonna be 781 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: too hard. I don't think I can do it. I 782 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think we should all give up every nothing. 783 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: There's no hope. Imagine how we sound saying that, you know, 784 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 1: to somebody who sacrificed so much. So I just feel 785 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: like I lead with the gratitude of like, Okay, this 786 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: moment does pretty much stuck. We could go outside, like, 787 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: you know, like there obviously are very pressing reasons why 788 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: people should be filled with sense of urgency, But to 789 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: feel optimistic is a choice. It's like, I know the 790 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: next moment is going to be better. It just has 791 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: to be better, because if I think about what other 792 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: people went through, like they obviously pushed through to the 793 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: next moment, otherwise none of us would be here. And 794 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in Virginia, which also makes me think 795 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: about history a lot, because you know, literally, I can 796 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: not that I go anywhere, but if I did, I 797 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: could drive past a literal cotton field. And so I 798 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: think about the fact that, like, I'm only here because 799 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, the people in my ancestry they survived, they 800 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: survived a worst moment, So I'm going to survive this 801 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: one because it's definitely not as bad as that. So 802 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,280 Speaker 1: that's where I'm going to target any of like the 803 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: cynical feelings that pop up, so that I can maintain 804 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: that optimism that's so beautiful and so grounding and so 805 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: empowering to use our connection to history to ground us 806 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: and give us courage and moments that feel terrifying. So 807 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: there's a high chance that on election day you're just 808 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: going to be stuck in front of your laptop talking 809 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: to people about what's happening and what's going on. How 810 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: does that work logistically? Like when do you plan your 811 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: pee breaks, when do you remember to eat something like 812 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: are your snacks at hand, you know, at at arm's length? 813 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: How are you going to get through it? Well, I 814 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: definitely look at what I do almost like an athlete. 815 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like making sure I have enough water, 816 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: making sure I have you know, lemon and honey for 817 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: my throat, you know, having all of those kinds of 818 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: things with the snacks things that's hard for me. I 819 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: literally write down on my schedule because I write it 820 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: out the night before. I write down, like where I'm 821 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: going to eat, because if I don't put it there, 822 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: it that happened. I actually don't eat, and then I'm like, 823 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: I feel a white head. Oh right, So I write 824 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: it down and I make sure, like I have a 825 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: protein shake that has all my vegetables, so I'm not 826 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: going to eat them. But I think as far as snacks, 827 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: like I'm definitely not like a healthy snacker, Like the 828 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: last week has been of chocolate, Like I was like 829 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: literally scouring the house for chocolate yesterday. So it'll be 830 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: like my energy drink, my protein jake. But I recommend 831 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: putting it on your schedule otherwise on an election day 832 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: like this one, you might forget and do you have 833 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: a mantra to get through election day? Like is there 834 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: something you're going to keep coming back to? It's gonna 835 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: be fine. I mean honestly, like that one gets me 836 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: through a lot, because I don't know I even in 837 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: the most serious situations, like even when my mom was 838 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: like in the hospital, I would just sit and I 839 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: would stare at the sky and I'd like, it is 840 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: going to be okay. She's going to be okay, Like 841 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: she's going to be okay. This is she's gonna be 842 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: And even if she's not, I'm going to be okay. 843 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: So you know, that's what kind of keeps me pushing, 844 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,879 Speaker 1: even if like I'm not okay for a little bit, 845 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 1: which I think, you know, it's so you know, insane 846 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: to think of the steaks, but they are that high. 847 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: But it's going to be okay. I'm so glad I 848 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,239 Speaker 1: got to speak to you. I feel like I'm going 849 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: to be thinking about your Madra. It's going to be okay. 850 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a very good one. And I'm going 851 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: to be thinking about this moment, this election as part 852 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: of a much bigger history and that we're connected to 853 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 1: people before us and those who are coming after us. 854 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: And thank you for these amazing pearls of wisdom. You're 855 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: awesome and I loved talking to you. We're taking a 856 00:48:51,280 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: quick break, stay with us. I gotta tell you, I 857 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: teared up maybe like five times in this conversation with 858 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: Zerlina and to be able to speak so frankly with 859 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: her about how we stay above the darkness, you know, 860 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: because it has been dark. There have been some really, 861 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,800 Speaker 1: really dark and terrifying moments in the last few years, 862 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: and I think it's important that we be honest about that, 863 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: honest about how hard it can be sometimes to wake up, 864 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: get out of bed and put one foot in front 865 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,360 Speaker 1: of the other. You know. I think we're all feeling 866 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,720 Speaker 1: excited about election Day, but I think we're all also 867 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: feeling a little bit terrified, yes, and that is why 868 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to glenn and Doyle. I have 869 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,439 Speaker 1: followed Glennon for several years. Many of you listening may 870 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: also have followed her. She has a almost unique ability 871 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: to capture feelings. She's written several books, including her latest Untamed, 872 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: which I thought was brilliant and moving and really provocative 873 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 1: in making people think about, Okay, what are the tough 874 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: moments in my life that I have to come to 875 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: grips with. And she's the founder and president of Together Rising, 876 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 1: which is a nonprofit and in the countdown to the election, 877 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: Glennon has been posting daily updates about actions her followers 878 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: can take to help elect Democrats. The series is called 879 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: and I love this. We can do hard things. I 880 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: am just incredibly happy to have you here today. I 881 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: guess I should start by asking how are you feeling 882 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: as we head into this momentous election day? Feeling feeling um, well, 883 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: I think for the last four years, and honestly maybe 884 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,959 Speaker 1: for the last forty years, I have felt like I 885 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: am walking on a path, just trying to stay study 886 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: on the path, and there's a cliff to the left 887 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: of me, and it is a pit of despair and 888 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: fear and rage and terror right and I'm just trying 889 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,800 Speaker 1: not to fall off that cliff. And then now going 890 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: into the election, it feels like there's another cliff on 891 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: the right, and that cliff is hope. And this is 892 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: new to me, this absolute refusal to even allow hope 893 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: near my me right now. I don't know what it is. 894 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: It's like every time I hear someone speaking hopefully, it 895 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: makes me angry. Yeah, it's just this vulnerability. If I 896 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: will not open myself up to hope again right now, 897 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 1: I will not allow myself to get crushed again. And 898 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: also we don't have time for it. We have a 899 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of work to do. Yeah, So I'm trying to 900 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: stay on the path, Secretary Clinton, and that path, you know, 901 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: that path leads right to your voting. You know, you 902 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: know this discuss and we're having is going to drop 903 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: on November two, the day before election day. So I'd 904 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: love knowing what your plan is and how you intend to, 905 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, spend election day. Well, my plan for election 906 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 1: day is to be able to look at myself in 907 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: the mirror. You know, I will never ever forget the 908 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 1: night of the two thousand sixteen election. You might remember it, yes, 909 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: I do, yes, yes, And I will never forget the 910 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: feeling of knowing that I did not do everything that 911 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: I could do, that I took for granted your win. 912 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: First of all, the amount of women that I have 913 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: talked to who had that feeling that's sinking despair on 914 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: that night, our legion, and I deeply apologize to you 915 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: for that. And the memory of that feeling has become 916 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: the resolve that I have going into this election. Forty 917 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: days ago, my sister and I just looked at each 918 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: other and thought, well, we will not have that feeling again. 919 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: We cannot control the outcome, but we can control our input, 920 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 1: and we are going to use every bit of our voices, 921 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: of our platform, of our privilege, every bit of it, 922 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that every single person that we know 923 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: and that we don't know is voting. So that's what 924 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: we've been doing these forty days of outraged to action, 925 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 1: just trying to get people to, you know, just demystify 926 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,839 Speaker 1: this purposefully confusing. Yes, yes, I'm so glad you said that, 927 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: because I have to underscore that point. The other side 928 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: wants to make this confusing and overwhelming and create this 929 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance inside people's heads. There's just, you know, so 930 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: much at stake, and I love what you said about 931 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: you and your sister being absolutely committed. I've heard that 932 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: from countless women who feel exactly the same way, and 933 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: I think listeners would love to have a peek inside 934 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 1: your day. Okay, so it's election day. What happens in 935 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: your household? All my household? Usually I wake up much 936 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: earlier than Abby and by the time she's gotten up, 937 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: I've had much too much coffee already. I'm actually Secretary 938 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: Quinton woken Abbey up with an easel and the ten 939 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 1: steps that day we're taking to crush the patriarchy. So 940 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's a lot to wake up. In 941 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: our home. We call it Coffee and Revolution. I love 942 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: that that's the next book, Glenn and Revolution. I love 943 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: that they go together. They go together because by noon, 944 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,840 Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton, it's just I'm my hope is just dreamed. 945 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: So I have to get it all done in the morning. 946 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: So on election day, what I plan to do is 947 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: when I start to think of myself and how I 948 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,840 Speaker 1: will feel that day, I start to short circuit. So 949 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: what I'm going to do is I'm going to continue 950 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: to lead this community. I think of leadership as this 951 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: kind of balance between a challenge and comfort and knowing 952 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: when to do both and when to do each one. 953 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,479 Speaker 1: And you know, during this forty days, we have been 954 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,880 Speaker 1: challenging and challenging and challenging. And so what I see 955 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: as my space on election day will all be in 956 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: different places. Will be probably in a corner with a 957 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 1: candle praying for me, Chase, my son is working at 958 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: the polls. My daughters will be watching me carefully. So 959 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: I have to be I don't know, I have to 960 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,879 Speaker 1: pretend that everything's gonna be okay either way. I don't know. 961 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,240 Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to be present, 962 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going to be reminding my community that what 963 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: democracy looks like will be making sure that every damn 964 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,240 Speaker 1: vote is counted, and that anyone who calls this election 965 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 1: before every vote is counted is doing that strategically in 966 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: order to steal the election once again. So I think 967 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: I'll be comforting, I'll be educating. I will be trying, 968 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 1: secretary and to keep a lot of people on that 969 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,240 Speaker 1: narrow path between clifs. Well, now, how are you actually 970 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: going to physically vote? Are you mailing it in? You've 971 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: already voted? Okay, so you're affirmations And I love your 972 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: Instagram series called we Can Do Hard Things. You're gonna 973 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: be keeping people motivated tuned into how they can make 974 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 1: sure Joe Biden wins. You know, I love that we 975 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,760 Speaker 1: can do hard things? Where did that come from? That mantra? 976 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: So I got sober when I was twenty six years old. 977 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: I've been lost to addiction for a very long time, 978 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 1: and I was teaching. I started as a teacher. I 979 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,720 Speaker 1: really think of myself as still and their great teacher 980 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: on hiatus. That is my happy plays. And I used 981 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: to I had such a painful time getting sober and 982 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,399 Speaker 1: each day I would make my kids walk the long 983 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 1: way to lunch because my my friend Josie, who taught 984 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: second grade, had a big sign above her window that said, 985 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,840 Speaker 1: we can do hard things, And so every day I 986 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: would walk by that classroom just as a reminder. It 987 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,919 Speaker 1: was something about the idea that, oh, life isn't hard 988 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: because I'm doing it wrong. It's it's hard often for 989 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: people who are doing it right, who are exactly showing 990 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: up and risking and being vulnerable and trying and and 991 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: failing and trying again. And I guess holding onto this 992 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 1: hope that's so scary and right. And then this we 993 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: part was so important to me, This idea that the 994 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: existential drama of being human is that we have to 995 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: do it alone, but that we're doing the hard thing 996 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 1: of being human alongside everybody else. Right, this idea that 997 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: we're totally alone but together. So listen, it's all over 998 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: my house. My children. I mean, they don't even want 999 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: anyone to say we can do hard things in their 1000 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: vicinity because we not got it enough with that. But 1001 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, when I was trying to listen figure out 1002 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 1: democracy real quick, I couldn't use some help from you. 1003 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: But a team kept saying that be the idea that 1004 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: this is purposefully confusing, that we are smart women. We 1005 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: can do this, we can figure this out. If we 1006 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: can put together Ikea bookshelves, we can think you're out 1007 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: voting that's right. We can be determined that you know, 1008 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: the other side is not gonna, you know, discourage us 1009 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: and send us screaming because it's so hard. And you know, 1010 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 1: when I think about your audience, I mean I discovered 1011 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: you originally when you were speaking to not primarily but 1012 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot of women, moms who really identified as Christians, 1013 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,919 Speaker 1: who had a sense of their faith which motivated them, 1014 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 1: guided them, but often was not enough. I mean it 1015 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: was hard. Now your community is so much bigger, Glennon, 1016 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you have this amazing reach of young people 1017 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,919 Speaker 1: LGBT q UH and a lot of them are what 1018 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,080 Speaker 1: you know posters call white suburban women who get up 1019 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: early and drink a lot of coffee, who have to 1020 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: figure out how they're going to manage all of the 1021 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: incoming that everybody's life is filled with. Based on what 1022 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 1: you're hearing in this big community that you now helped 1023 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: to lead and motivate, what's on the minds of people 1024 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: in that community as they're thinking about voting, or if 1025 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: they already have voted like you did, what's on their minds. 1026 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think COVID has brought to the surface, 1027 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 1: or just exacerbated, all of the trauma that is a 1028 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: part of a woman's life every day. I mean, we 1029 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: were already taking care of our older parents, but now 1030 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 1: we're scared for their lives and their safety. We were 1031 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: already trying to do our best to educate our children, 1032 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 1: but now we're trying to do it in our freaking 1033 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: houses with no I mean we you know, just all 1034 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: of those We were already stressed out about work, but 1035 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: now so many of us have had to drop out 1036 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: of careers that we love. You know, we were already 1037 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: stressed out about health care, we were. My hope, my 1038 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,120 Speaker 1: hope is that women are just really, really angry. I 1039 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: hope so too. I hope so too, because in this case, 1040 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: it didn't have to be this bad, did not. And 1041 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: so we have an opportunity, I believe, to not only 1042 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,440 Speaker 1: reclaim our country, but for those of us who you know, 1043 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: are Christians, to reclaim our religious faith as well. You know, 1044 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: we're going to have I'm sure some uncertainty about the 1045 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 1: results come Tuesday. I think we're all going to have 1046 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: to just get prepared to stick it out. What's your 1047 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: advice to the rest of us as people? Either I 1048 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: have friends who say they're going to bed at seven 1049 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,920 Speaker 1: o'clock on election night and hopefully not waking up until 1050 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: it's done, and I keep saying it may not be 1051 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,120 Speaker 1: done for days. You're gonna have to get out of 1052 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: bed at some point. And then I have friends who 1053 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: are so obsessed they're gonna be screaming and tweeting and 1054 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: crying about every report that they get. How are you 1055 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 1: going to get through this? Do you think? Well? I 1056 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: think I don't know. First of all, I never know 1057 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,200 Speaker 1: till the day of. I think that one of the 1058 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: things I'm gonna do is try to avoid this purposeful 1059 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 1: idea of uncertainty that I think is mostly coming from 1060 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,840 Speaker 1: the Trump's side, right, that actually, actually there is no 1061 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: uncertainty here. There is a very very reliable system for 1062 01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: mail in ballots that Trump has started discrediting months and 1063 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: months ago as a purposeful strategy, knowing that most of 1064 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the mail and ballots would be democratic right, and has 1065 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: over and over again disparaged that even though he and 1066 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: his entire administration votes by mail and ballot, and we 1067 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: know that, right. So I do think that some of 1068 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 1: the uncertainty is just sown and that we need to 1069 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: reject that and say, actually, this is just what democracy 1070 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: looks like in two thousand twenty. That we might have 1071 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: to wait. And I like that a lot, Right, That's 1072 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: not uncertainty, that's just the process. That's just not cheating, right, 1073 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,520 Speaker 1: waiting and being patient so that every vote counts. So 1074 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to be bold and strong in that waiting, right, 1075 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: But I don't think that we have to call that 1076 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: waiting uncertainty. We are certain. I like that a lot. 1077 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: It is a process. It is a process. And then 1078 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: once we know and I am actually quite geared up 1079 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: for good news both from are you are you? Am? 1080 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I am? So I'm just going to fight till the 1081 01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 1: very end. I'm I'm absolutely totally committed to that. And 1082 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,400 Speaker 1: when you said a few minutes ago that you know, 1083 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: you wake up in your house and it's coffee and revolution, 1084 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,919 Speaker 1: I thought about the only time I personally heard Dr 1085 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. Speak And I was a young 1086 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: teenager and my church took me to hear him speak 1087 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 1: in downtown Chicago. So we all go down there, go 1088 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,760 Speaker 1: to Orchestra Hall in Chicago, and we hear Dr King speak, 1089 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,479 Speaker 1: And the name of his speech, which he gave more 1090 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: times than just that once, was called staying awake during 1091 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,960 Speaker 1: the revolution, and I've always thought about that. Stay awake, 1092 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: don't pull the covers over your head, drink a lot 1093 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 1: of coffee, but be ready to stay awake fighting speaking 1094 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,720 Speaker 1: out during the revolution because regardless of what happens, there's 1095 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,400 Speaker 1: a lot we have to do. But I also think 1096 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: we're going to have to try to figure out how 1097 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 1: do we heal our country. I mean, there's so much 1098 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: pain and fear and anger. How should we go about 1099 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 1: doing that on a person to person level and nationally? Yeah, 1100 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: I think about that too, although that feels a little 1101 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: bit too much like hope, So I feel scared about it, 1102 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,320 Speaker 1: like when my brain goes to that, like, but I 1103 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: have allowed myself to think, Okay, what if we win? 1104 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,160 Speaker 1: Then as a leader of my community, my family, my 1105 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: my job will immediately be to decide how we win. 1106 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: And that feels very important to me in this moment, 1107 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: because there is a way to win that we have 1108 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:46,160 Speaker 1: been seeing that is so infantile and so braggadocious and 1109 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,480 Speaker 1: so mean spirited, and so that all it does is 1110 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,240 Speaker 1: deepen the divide. That all this does is cause more 1111 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: pain and anger. And then I feel like I just 1112 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: want I want to win the selection, and I want 1113 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to win with dignity and class, and I want to 1114 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,400 Speaker 1: celebrate in a way that invites people who think differently 1115 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: than I do, that invites, you know, the two sides 1116 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: together a little bit over time, right, I want to 1117 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: leave room for reduction. I want to leave room for 1118 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,440 Speaker 1: coming together. And so I'm glad you brought that up 1119 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,720 Speaker 1: because it just feels like if I allow myself to 1120 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 1: go there, I know that I want to win differently. Yes, 1121 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 1: I like that a lot onned Blow did that resumeate? 1122 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, listening to Glenned and really listening to 1123 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: all of these incredible people who are out there doing 1124 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: the work is helping me today. It's helping me get 1125 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 1: through today. You know, when you talk to people like 1126 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: the people we were able to speak with, it does 1127 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 1: give you grounds for optimism. We've got amazing people in 1128 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: this country, and you know we need to be lifting 1129 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: up the positive ent g not getting dragged down by 1130 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,040 Speaker 1: the negative. So we need to keep reminding ourselves there 1131 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: is something that every one of us can do, and 1132 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: right now, the most important thing we can do is vote. 1133 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 1: And also, you know, we are going to have to 1134 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,800 Speaker 1: stay focused and breathe just to make sure that every 1135 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: vote is counted, right, it's not like a valid and 1136 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: go back to scrolling on Instagram. We got to stay 1137 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,880 Speaker 1: awake and alert and know that no one person, no 1138 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: one candidate is going to come make everything better. That's 1139 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 1: our job, that's our amen, amen, And that is at 1140 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: the core of the American spirit. We are people who 1141 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,960 Speaker 1: are supposed to be involved and participate and make a difference, 1142 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: and you've done that. And I'm so grateful to you 1143 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 1: for joining me today to talk to these amazing guests 1144 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 1: and to reflect a little bit about what America. The 1145 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 1: country needs from people like you and me. America. Yeah, well, Hilary, 1146 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I mean you know, every single time I get to 1147 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,480 Speaker 1: speak to you, I have to pinch myself. I couldn't 1148 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,160 Speaker 1: be more thankful to you for who you have been 1149 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,680 Speaker 1: in the world and what an inspiration you've been to me. 1150 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:26,320 Speaker 1: So thank you. Last week I had an amazing conversation 1151 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,040 Speaker 1: with Share a wonderful friend, someone I adore and you know, 1152 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,440 Speaker 1: someone whose music has really meant a lot to me 1153 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 1: over the years, and as she often does, I think 1154 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Share put it best, think of it as life and 1155 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: yad this is the most important thing to do for men, 1156 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 1: for women, for LGBT people, for people of color. I mean, 1157 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: you think it's gonna get better if he gets a 1158 01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,240 Speaker 1: second term? Get his ass out? Well, that's yeah. For 1159 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 1: this week's show, You and Me Both is brought to 1160 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,200 Speaker 1: you by I Heart Radio. 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