1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hey want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottie. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: This is all fall got a lot to get you 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: in this All Ball episode, including my lasting thoughts on 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: USA basketball and I just I don't know. Let's you 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: know what, Let's let's cut to the chase. Let's welcome 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: in my assistant coach, my man man, Jordan McCabe, Part 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: two of of J five and the dissertation of his 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: life that you can you recall a championship game where 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: a dude hits four threes to win the game. 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: I cannot. I cannot, but I can tell you are 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: our financial guy down the hall, Steve Millard definitely could. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: He's he's a data analytical genius. But I can't. I 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: don't have that in the roller decks. That was incredible. 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: What like as a what what amazes you about? 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: Like? 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: I think because what happens is what happens to a 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: lot of people is they don't know how to contextualize stuff, right, 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: And it's really hard to contextualize stuff, even for those 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: of us who've kind of lived our whole life in basketball. 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: But everybody has something different inside basketball that impresses you 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: about Steph, what is it for you? 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: We could do an entire episode on the things I 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: love about Steph Curry. No, just that topic itself right now. 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: My fiance can attest to this. She's also asked me, like, 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: you love me right, like more than you love Steph Curry. 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: She's asked that before. It's been a question in our household. 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: I watched everything, all the documentaries, everything right, just love 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: him as a human being and a basketball player. But 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: I think what impresses me the most is the still shot, 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: and I think somebody else I don't want to take 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: credit for it, but the still shot of him shooting 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: it over Dolbert and the other guy from France, and 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: from one angle, the picture shows Lebron and KD hands ready, 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: shot ready, nobody else within the frame, and Steph's fading 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: back to the sideline, the only player maybe in the 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: history of basketball, to where they're like, yeah, you know, 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: that's a good shot, especially when those two guys are 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: standing on the left wing wide open. But I mean, 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: other than that, Steph Curry just as a human being, 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: that's what That's what I love so much. I don't 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: think you can radiate more confidence. I know, aura like 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: aura is a big thing in my generation. Right now, 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: everybody talks about or is that a Yeah, I don't know. 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. There's a lot of different levels. 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: He's hitting me with that last night and he's like, Dad, 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: I think you have you have positive aura. 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: That's good, that's a good thing. 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I. 49 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Do, I have negative What is negative aura? 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, that's not good. 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: You don't want that. That's like that's like, uh, I 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: think swag is another another Like, you know, I think 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: Coach Archibald would just be like he's got swag, which 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 3: would translate directly to he's got some good aura about him. 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: You know, he just walks like he's got his stuff together. Yeah. 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: I think it's it's really weird you brought that word 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: aura because it's literally was that. We were driving to uh, 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: you know, our favorite place to Aaron Duck last night 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: and they were discussing aura and I was like. 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: What's or is like a dad? 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: Or is everything? 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 4: Right now? 63 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Aura? 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: Aura's everything? And for him he's starting to enter into 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: the dating game, it's huge for him. Hayes has to 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: have big time aura when he walks into school in Oklahoma. Yeah, 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: on Thursday, he's got to walk in with you can't 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: think about it either or you just got it or 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: you don't. And he's got it. He's got to just 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: let it happen. 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he does, I said. But that's why I 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: said it, Like, you can't force it, no, you when you, uh, when. 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: You try too hard, it just kind of back by. 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: It's a lot like golf, you know, like when you 75 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: swing too hard that that sucker is going right, you know, yep, 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: I think the thing that and you know, like Twitter 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: freaked out because he was he wasn't playing well in 78 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: the second half. 79 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: It felt like he was a little out of it. 80 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: And I was just sitting there and this is a 81 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: real hard thing, you know, when we start coaching our guys, 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: is like, at what point, no matter how much faith 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: you having, a kid like you go like this is 84 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: not his night tonight, you know? 85 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: Or do you? 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: And And I think I wonder if anyone other than 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: Steve Kerr was the coach, if they would have left 88 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: him in the game. I mean probably probably because of 89 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: Steph Curry, probably, but I can't say definitely. 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: Right, No, I think somebody somebody else would have buckled. 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 3: And it's funny because it's like Steph's entire career, right, 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: Like you look back all the way to Davidson in 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: his first game against Michigan when he did struggle, Like, 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: there is no quicker way to, you know, just just 95 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: kill somebody's confidence. Then as soon as they struggle or 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: make a mistakes, yank them out of the game. Now 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: there's a caveat to that. And it's like, if the 98 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: kid doesn't work hard and he's not Steph Curry level 99 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: character and competitiveness, then you don't get that same leash. 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: And if you mess up, I'm probably yanking you. But 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: Steph Curry has just built up this equity among like 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: the entire basketball community. I don't know. I think even 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: if it wasn't Steve Curry stays in the game. 104 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: That's I think that's the hardest thing that I am. 105 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm working through is. 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: I completely understand as to you, and I think this 107 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: is where from my generation towards yours how important confidence is. 108 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: And you know what happened, you know when I was 109 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: in school was everybody was about breaking people down and 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: building the back. 111 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: Up, right, And the couple issues with that are. 112 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: You can break a guy down and you don't get 113 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: him back. And then now you don't have him long enough, right, 114 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: like he used to You do that as a freshman 115 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: and then you know, you go kind of grow through it. 116 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: You don't have them long enough. The big thing is 117 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: like just kids, and I don't know necessarily if it's fragility, 118 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean we look you and I we 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: know we have a couple of kids like that now 120 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: that you're just like they come to us as almost 121 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: like and forgive the term if people are offended by it, 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: but almost like batter women, where they're just they're just 123 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: so hesitant to try things because they have no personal 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: self confidence. 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Right, and it really it really limits them, so. 126 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: They start to overthink everything. Right. You see this a 127 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: lot in college basketball now. And I can speak on 128 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: this because I feel like I was one of them 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: and I'm not the victim, like whatever, I made the 130 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: wrong choice and style of play. We've talked about it, 131 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: but once I left West Virginia, I can honestly say say, 132 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: without a shadow of a doubt, I was no longer 133 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: the same player from a confidence level that I was 134 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: going in. And I don't think that's a surprise. Everybody 135 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: watching it could see it. No big deal, But there 136 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: is that thing. Yeah for sure. 137 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah so, And I think you have to manage each 138 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: kid because some kids you can pull them out whenever, 139 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: and they don't. It doesn't bother them at all. Right, 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: some kids you can motherfuck them up and down and 141 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: they nothing, nothing changes, nothing. 142 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Affects step Right, let's go back to your story. 143 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, can I tell you that the 144 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: thing that the confidence thing, is what impressing me about Steph. 145 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: But the other part too, It is he's in such 146 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: unbelievable shape, unbelievable shape. 147 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: It's one of the craziest things in your It's great 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: because nobody talks about it enough, Like A, can't imagine 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: having a guard that dude. And B when I started 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: to like really fall in love with him was when 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: I went to his camp. I got selected to go 152 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: to Steph Curry's camp, which is funny because I was 153 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 3: an alternate. Some kid got sick. I was in northern 154 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: Wisconsin with all my uncles and family having a good 155 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: old Wisconsin time by a bonfire. I get a call saying, Hey, 156 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: You're going to San Frand tomorrow. I'm in the middle 157 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: of absolute nowhere. Got to get to an airport, go 158 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: out to Steph Curry's camp, I get lucky enough to 159 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: perform well, and then I'm staying a day after and 160 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: my coach, Mike Weinstein, who you know knows Brandon Payne, 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: Steph's trainer. The day after camp, I asked, can I 162 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: please work out with Steph? And that's what I picked up. 163 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: The dude was in the craziest shape I've ever experienced 164 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: in my entire life, and I could not keep up 165 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: in you know, in the slightest it was wild. Wow. 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: The other guy who's like that, honestly is Lebron Right, Like, 167 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: it's I feel like the one thing that yeah, again 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: it gets doesn't get discussed enough about. Like all of 169 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: these things are only possible because those two dudes are 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: in ridiculous to good shape and different, right, Like Steph's 171 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: is part of it is you know, he's constantly in motion, 172 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: but he also he's taken a little bit of a 173 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: beating because guys were super physical with him, right, and 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: you know he has the ball, he doesn't have the ball. 175 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: He's never really stopping. 176 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: And then you know, as much as you want to 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: catch your breath on defense, know that people are coming 178 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: at him for Lebron he's just a gigantic human being 179 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: and to be able to move that body at this age, 180 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: even though he really has a good economy of movement, 181 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: Like you watch him defensively, he's smart. He's not very 182 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: good defensively anymore, but he knows where to be and 183 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: when to extend his energy. But I just I am 184 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a conditioning fanatic, and those two are 185 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: not only two of the all time great players, but 186 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: to the all time great like physical specimens from a 187 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: conditioning conditioning standpoint. But I thought the other part too, 188 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: which is really cool, was like here you have the 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: end of a gold medal game, and I think Lebron knows, 190 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: like I can't get my own shot really anymore, like anything. 191 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: But even Durant had a layup and he kicked out, 192 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: Like they were all going like this is like STEP's 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: gonna end the ship for us. Like that was crazy 194 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: to see all of those guys drive in or give 195 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: it right back to him and let him end the thing. 196 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: And then he sure enough did that. 197 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: Right there is the definition of aura for any generation 198 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: out there that doesn't understand aura. That's aura right there. There. 199 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: You go, positive aura, positive positive. 200 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course. 201 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: Okay, so you get to West Virginia. 202 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it? 203 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: What was your what are your initial memories of getting 204 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: to West Virginia. 205 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: This place is fun as hell. This is the most 206 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: fun place on earth. Morgantown, West Virginia. If you are 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: you know, eighteen nineteen years old, the most fun place 208 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: you can be. Man, the people are great. It's like 209 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: I grew up in Wisconsin. I bounced around, though I 210 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: lived in Seattle for a little bit or just on 211 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: the east side of it. I lived in North Augusta, 212 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: and we moved around, but I was pretty much raised 213 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: in a small town. And then to go to Morgantown, 214 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: it just felt like a small town plus sixty thousand, 215 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: you know, sports crazed undergrads and it was the most 216 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: fun ever. Our team, you know, got there in the summertime, 217 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: like we do. We get there in June and we 218 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: get rolling. You're kind of the only people on campus. 219 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: And the people in Morgantown are amazing, like in terms 220 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: of how they treat you as an athlete. You'll walk 221 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: through Kroger and they'll stop you and they're you know, 222 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: their kids decked out mountaineer gear because they say it 223 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: all the time. You're the West Virginia Lakers. There's only 224 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: us in that state, right, the Mountaineers. Excuse me, Marshall, 225 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, different conversation, but it's really only West Virginia, 226 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: and they'll stop being Kroger. They're taking pictures with their kids. 227 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: It was an amazing just welcoming from the people. That 228 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: town is different. 229 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: Alright, what about the basketbrook On? 230 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: Was that like. 231 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: Basketball part of it was the hardest thing I've ever done. 232 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: I was just telling one of our guys, actually, like 233 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: the hardest thing I've ever done physically and mentally was 234 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: playing for Bob Huggins. And that's a tremendous compliment because 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 3: what he does is he does prepare young men for life. 236 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: I think that's what Bob Huggins does better than maybe 237 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: anybody else. Very cut from the same cloth as Bob Knight. 238 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: I think a lot of his his players would say 239 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: the same. Some would it, some most would right, Eddie 240 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: Sutton sing sing Eddie Sutton, the same thing. Right. 241 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: So, by the way Mike Holts to produces this, here 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: is just a time and he went. 243 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: To Marshall, not the guy you want to talk shit 244 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: on is the producer. He can make you look better. 245 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: And it's okay, it happens, It happens. 246 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 247 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 4: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 4: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 249 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 4: listen live. 250 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: As a fresh street what's your first bake? 251 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Okay, this this Bob Huggins moment. 252 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: I got trapped there. We were working on a one 253 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: to three one and a half court. I got trapped 254 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: on the on the top left corner and I ball 255 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: faked across the floor and I saw my shooter running baseline, 256 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: the baseline to my same side, So I ball faked 257 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: across the floor through a behind the back pass, behind 258 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: the back pass down the sideline, one dribble into my 259 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: shooter's pocket. He shot it and before the ball was 260 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: in the air, I heard Hugs scream stop stop, stop stop. 261 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: I thought it was a great pass and maybe my 262 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: memory is failing me. Maybe it went out of bounce. 263 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I hit the shooter in the pocket 264 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: and he cussed me up and down, was like, we're 265 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: not starting this ship right now. He knew what was 266 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 3: going to go on, like he wanted to get me 267 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: into what he wanted from a point guard. And that's 268 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: what a coach, you know, a coach will do. That 269 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: was one of my first experiences like, okay, a little 270 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: bit different than high school. Don't have the leeway in 271 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: the least that I did have to build equity. And 272 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: that's just hitting singles, which I was like terrified of 273 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: because my whole career everybody told me hit singles, hit singles, 274 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: and to be honest, I was like, oh that I'm not. 275 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: I'm going for a grand sla. 276 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: My dad's thing. 277 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: My dad's thing. I was, uh, I'll never forget. It's 278 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: played about the singles. I played in the CIF semi 279 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: finals against Stan Margarita High School. We played it Edison 280 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: High School and hunting the beach, and I had done 281 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: i think the previous year and that year in the 282 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: first round of yeah, like we were a top seed, 283 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: so I had thrown up between the legs past both years. 284 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: So it's kind of my thing, like you can you 285 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: can kind of clown these dudes because you win by forty, right, 286 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: she come down a three on, turned your last through 287 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: your legs note in the busket and then you're running 288 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: down the court and kind of almost doing the three, 289 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: but as a pass, you know, and they lay it 290 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: in or they don't it. So I had done that 291 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: in the first round. So here we are in the 292 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: semi finals and I jump in the air and throw 293 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: it over my head. It was one of my favorite 294 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: pasts I ever. Threw it to my boy David Laasarian, 295 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: who played for Archi at Pepperdine, and he lays it in, 296 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: and I remember watching the tape of my dad. My 297 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: dad's like, how many assists did you get for that one? 298 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: H huh? 299 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: He's like, no, how many? How many assists did they 300 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: give you for that one? I was like, what are 301 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: you talking about? Did they give you like one? He's like, okay, 302 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: so they give you one for that one, and then 303 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: the same number if you just make a no look 304 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: chess pass right, He's like so and then the other 305 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: here's here's go ahead. But it doesn't it's not as cool. 306 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't have Laura. 307 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: It doesn't have aura, and okay, that's kind of like 308 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: joking about it, but I'm here's what I'm being serious about. 309 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Like if my if my player, if I have you know, 310 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb on my team and he's that good of 311 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: a passer and he makes that pass. The traditional question 312 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: is how many assists do you give for that? Right? 313 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: Like your dad said, what I would say is, hey, 314 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: I'd say nothing, you'd come back to the huddle. I'd 315 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: say nothing to you, because I think it's actually like 316 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: one point five. It's like a game boost because now 317 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: everybody sees it on your team, the confidence level it 318 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: takes to make that pass instead of the simple one 319 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: we get a lay up. The crowds now involved the 320 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: kid who's semi confidence shooting threes on the next possession 321 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: on your team up, fake sidestep, one, dribble three, because 322 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: he's just rolling off the momentum that you just created. 323 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: So I think it's like one point five assists is 324 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: what I would have told them. It's like a it's 325 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: like a. 326 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: Multi I agree, I agree, you can you can kill. 327 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: And then it reminds me of like John McCleod. He 328 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: he used to say, like, no one hand passes, and 329 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: then by the end of my freshman year, Yeah, he 330 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: was like that doesn't apply to you. 331 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: I like, no shit, right now? 332 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: Right was there was there a like everybody has the 333 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: freshman moment? Of like what the fuck did I do? 334 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: But was there a this is not a great fit moment? 335 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: Early? I would say I would say when we opened 336 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 3: up our first like week of official practices and we 337 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: got three hours a day on the floor and we 338 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: did three and a half hours of defense, I was like, 339 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: uh oh, like this is real. I've never been known 340 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: as this, And I really started to think back, like why, okay, 341 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: why did you make the decision to come here? And 342 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: I tell people this now, but I think at that 343 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: time I started reflecting, like shit, I might have made 344 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: the wrong decision based on pride, and like pride alone. 345 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: You know, everybody was like he's five to ten, you know, 346 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: unathletic white kid, Like he's not playing an NBA. Let's 347 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: all get over ourselves here. And the big thing would 348 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 3: be like you can't guard anybody. So what I did 349 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: was allowed all that outside noise to be like, I'll 350 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: go play for the best defensive coach in the country. 351 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: How about that, and then we'll figure out if I 352 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: can guard. Well, the answer is no, like I couldn't 353 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: guard to his level, right, And that's when I really 354 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 3: started to think, like I probably made the wrong decision. 355 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: We were just so defensive oriented, and what was being 356 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: asked of you as a defender took like incredible just 357 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: motor stamina, athleticism, laterally just stuff I didn't have. And like, truthfully, 358 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: if you're being honest, like you can make a kid 359 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: a better defender, and effort can really kind of take 360 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 3: a step on defense. But once you get him at 361 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: eighteen or nineteen, defensively, they kind of are what they are, right, 362 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: you can just now increase the effort. 363 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Ish disagree. I'm a disagree from the standpoint of and like, look, 364 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: you and I had a healthy disagreement over diet, you know, 365 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: and some of this stuff is about what I know. 366 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: I think in training you can you can really change 367 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: your body. You can really change your body, you know. 368 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: It's like the story you asked the Saint Mary's guys 369 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: about Delhi, And I remember I did a I did 370 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: their kickoff dinner or whatever. I am seated and it 371 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: was right after Patty Mills had left, and I was like, 372 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: Omar Stanahan was their best player. And I remember asking 373 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: Randy Bennett like who's your who's your who's your next, 374 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: like next Australian He's like that guy, and Delhi had thick, 375 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: fucking hairy legs and like looked unathletic as shit, and 376 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: he was his freshman year and then they basically told 377 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: him like, look, your future is going to be based 378 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: upon can you move louderly? And he became like a 379 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: slide board king. So I agree with you on some level, like. 380 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: It's hard to make. 381 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: Kids tough that aren't tough, guys that don't guard, they 382 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: don't just start to guard. But I do think that 383 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: if if the effort and toughness is there, I think 384 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: you can change somebody's body somewhat. Right, You're not gonna 385 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: make somebody a freak. 386 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: Yep. 387 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: I think you change it somewhat, but it takes time 388 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: and now we have no patience for it. And then 389 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: the other part to it, and I think this is 390 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: the real thing is coaches you have to do a 391 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: really good job of not putting a kid in a 392 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: box and saying this is who you are and who 393 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 2: you're always going to be. You know, that's a really 394 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: hard one, which is like, well, because a lot of 395 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: guys come in and oftentimes they don't do shit, but 396 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: you can rewire them some and you can get them. 397 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: And again it's a process, and just the question is 398 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: how long do you have them in the process. 399 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: How good were you your guys freshman year as a. 400 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: Team really bad. We were horrible and it blew up. 401 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: We had guys kicked off the team. It was just 402 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: a complete light disaster. And this is coming off multiple 403 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: sweet sixteens. I believe you have multiple from Javon Carter 404 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: da Smiles, that area, that area, that era of press 405 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: Virginia basketball, and then we were horrible. It was my 406 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: first year and I'm like, ah, ship like not good, right, 407 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: but yeah, we were bad. 408 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: Who started? 409 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: James Beatle Bolden started at point guard, really shifty, fast 410 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 3: guard out of Kentucky. Who else? Did we have Isa 411 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: Mode from Ohio? Really skilled, you know, kind of power 412 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: forward still playing now, Wes Harris was playing. I believe 413 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: Segma Cannat was was playing, and then you know, I 414 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 3: think he got got injured. So SAgs was there, and 415 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: I forget who was kind of starting on the wing. 416 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, we just kind of had a complete collapse 417 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: that year. 418 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: Did you see Kevin? 419 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: Truthfully, I didn't know what to expect him, Like I 420 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: you know, I saw practices and they were hectic and 421 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: crazy and like there's you know, guys fighting and and 422 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: you know, coaches going back. But I thought that was 423 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 3: pretty I had never been around this level of basketball, right, 424 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though, it was different. I had 425 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: never been on a losing basketball team before, and we 426 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 3: were a losing team, so learned a ton and then 427 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 3: you know, guys get kicked off the team. I don't 428 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: play for the first like seven, eight, maybe nine games, 429 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: and then guys get kicked off the team. And I 430 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 3: finished the year like the last eight games, I'm starting 431 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: and playing like, you know, twenty five thirty plus minutes 432 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve. I thought I played well, Like 433 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I can go back maybe once again. My 434 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 3: memory's fading, but those last eight games, statistically, I felt 435 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 3: like I was you know, I felt like I was proven, 436 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: at least in terms of being able to play at 437 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: that level and have a positive impact on the game. 438 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: That's what I thought. Then Duce McBride shows up to 439 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 3: campus and everything changes that way from my career. 440 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: Did he show up in the spring or did he 441 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: show up in the summer? 442 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: Is show uping the fall? 443 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: Uh? He showed up in the like spring summer? I 444 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: think I think summer June June. 445 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: He got there, So you get done, You get done 446 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: with your freshman year. Did you guys have exited interviews 447 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: did you talk about. 448 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: Not really, you knew where you were at with hugs, 449 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like there was there was 450 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: kind of an exit interview every day after practice. You 451 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: knew where you stood, whether you were in the doghouse, 452 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: whether you know, he loved it. He loved everybody right, 453 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: even guys who didn't always deserve it. He loved him 454 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: like he brought those guys in. He brought us guys 455 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 3: in and unconditionally loved us. Didn't always look like love, 456 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: but he did. But yeah, no exit interviews. We roll 457 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: right in the year two. I have a small like 458 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: knee operation, nothing crazy, and I think I'm going to 459 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: hit the ground running off the last eight games. 460 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: So there was no talk of like, hey, I'm a transfer, 461 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm to get the fuck. 462 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: Out of here. 463 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 3: No, not after, not after my freshman year. I was, 464 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 3: you know, coming off a year where I'm like, all right, 465 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: everything went to shit and somehow I got an opportunity 466 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: and I think I did really well with it. So 467 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 3: now we're rolling. That's what That's what the mindset I'm 468 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: in extremely comp in At this point. 469 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: Deduce McBride gets there and like, what's what's that like 470 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: when you go out, like first day you're working out 471 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: and you see this other dude Who're like, ooh, he's 472 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: really good. 473 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. I noticed when we went to Spain, because we 474 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: went to Spain that year in the summertime, and he 475 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 3: played phenomenally. And I'm like, there's no like real holes 476 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: in this kid's game at all. And he's a freshman. 477 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: And I looked at he's like, wasn't recruited out of 478 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 3: high school? Really, he was kind of highly recruited. And 479 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: then he got hurt, broke his foot, whatever. And it 480 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: wasn't until and I tell this story a lot, Deuce 481 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: McBride watched me have to be the hardest worker in 482 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: our program once again, being the undersized white guy you 483 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 3: got you have to be if you want to play, 484 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: you're the hardest worker. It's not freaking close. He came 485 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: in and if I worked out at six, by week two, 486 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: he was working out at five point thirty. I'm like, 487 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: all right, well he's in here before me. That's impressive. 488 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 3: Good for him, But you know, I'm gonna keep working 489 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: out at six, and then I'd show up to practice. 490 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: Remember these are three hour practices. He'd show up if 491 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 3: we went one to four at twelve, and he would 492 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: shoot at high speeds, like almost game speed shooting. I'm like, 493 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: he's gonna kill him. It is bad and he's gonna 494 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 3: just fall off a cliff, and he didn't. He went 495 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: all the way through practice, and then I walked to 496 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: the ice tub and I'm just gassed. He stays and 497 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: he shoots for another half hour once again game speed, 498 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: hitting pads, like working on contact finishing. I'm like, this 499 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: dude's insane. Whatever. So then I go home and I 500 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: play Fortnite. I got a girlfriend and I'm cozy. I'm 501 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 3: going to sleep right and I wake up in the 502 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: morning and Deuce is finishing his workout once again at 503 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: like six, you know, six fifteen, and the managers are 504 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: dead tired, and they're normally not these managers at the 505 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 3: big twelve level. They run on straight caffeine and they're 506 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: good to go and they're gass. I'm like, what's the 507 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: deal with you guys? Like long night party whatever, and 508 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: they're like no. Like Duce came back at nine and 509 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: worked out till ten and I'm like, that's not sustainable, 510 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: and I would fight internally like there's no way he's 511 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: going to keep doing it, and he did. Duce McBride 512 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: is the hardest worker I've ever been around in my 513 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: entire life. We talked about a dude who's in crazy shape. 514 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: He demolished us. Since sprints, you could watch just win 515 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 3: sprints and know who the best player in the gym was. 516 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: Branfordschilla came in and watched one practice and was like, Yeah, 517 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 3: this kid as a freshman, this is their next guy 518 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 3: at West Virginia. So I knew like he would right 519 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: fit at West Virginia, you know perfect. 520 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: Well pause there, Okay, that's part two of Jordan mckab 521 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: we gotta do. We gotta do a podcast too on 522 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 2: how we built our schedule. I think that shit would 523 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: be really interesting for people, right, Like I just I 524 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: think that's what to provide is not just insight into 525 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: who we are, but also kind of what we go 526 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: through on a on a daily basis. It is interesting though, 527 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: right because a little teaser as to our schedule, which 528 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: is kind of leaking out. West Regina did call and 529 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, we're good. 530 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think the way it happened was we were 531 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 3: trying to find dames that had guarantee money attached to it. 532 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: And I was just coming from West Virginia called our 533 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: dobo and I said to you, like, hey, I called 534 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: West Virginia and you're like, I don't know, I'm good. 535 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: So so yeah, scheduling is uh, I'm. 536 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: Gonna wait till I'm wait till coaches son graduates. I 537 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: know they'll probably be like this is this is the 538 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: real thing. It's like you try and let's just we'll 539 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: just have this this part of the conversation, which is like, look, 540 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: you realize when you're in our position, we got the 541 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: job late. Yeah, we have a ton of inexperience. So 542 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: you're trying to go like, okay, you got to play 543 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: guarantee games. You have to have a for it. And 544 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: the purpose can't just be to collective check, right, because 545 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: you wanted to collect a check, like you know who 546 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: to call Yukon, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky. They'll give you the 547 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: biggest check and they will give you the biggest ass 548 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: whooping of your life. Right And so, my so I 549 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: do like the idea. Obviously, if you look at our guarantees, 550 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 2: one to three of the four big bye games are 551 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: guys in the first year at their program, right, because 552 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: I have respect for all those dudes, But I also 553 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: know that first years, just like ours, like you're still 554 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: kind of trying to figure it out and ruling the season, 555 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: like might not be as bad when like you catch 556 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: if I catch Steve Lutz at Oklahoma State and year three, 557 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: that shit's going to get ugly, right, Like, they're going 558 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: to be good. He knows what he's doing. 559 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: So the West Virginia thing was a little bit of 560 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: a violation. 561 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: But also I we had known who they had a 562 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: little bit and we're like, yeah, and you know, Tucker 563 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: coming over with his dad, like he's really good. Just 564 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: and I do think like, and I know that people 565 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: will say the opposite because we're playing Oklhoma State. 566 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: There's actually no ego involved in that one. 567 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: That was the big thing, Like, I don't want to 568 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: play one just to say f you and go play 569 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: somebody who we think, you know, we could bet with 570 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: that one. I just thought it was cool thing for 571 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: a first time head coach, you know, to go and 572 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: play against mild and matter and then Oh yeah. By 573 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: the way, my daughter goes to school there, so I'll 574 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: good to see her. Albeit we still having to term 575 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 2: without Harper's gonna or orange or green. I'm pretty sure 576 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: it's gonna be orange. Hayes. We got to get him 577 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: green because he spent way too much time up here. 578 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: But he shared with me last night that he like, 579 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: he doesn't actually like orange that much, so I'm selling 580 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: him out. I love it anyway. 581 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: Uh so we'll do that. 582 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: Let's do that. 583 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: So part three will do schedule, and we'll do year 584 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: two years and then get to year three, year four 585 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: and then everything else coming up. Is that cool? 586 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: Sounds great? 587 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: All right, so you thought you'd just come and have 588 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: a meeting to day? 589 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: All right. 590 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of All Ball. 591 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: Check out The Doug Gotlieb Show every day three to 592 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: five Eastern twelfth two Pacific, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app 593 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: for Jordan mcab I'm Doug gotlib This is All Ball.