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Speaker 5: You strikes me as a Kentucky Derby type dressed up

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Speaker 5: one say, but they have problems running around.

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Speaker 6: Rout or you're running a I guess route would be announced?

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Speaker 7: Never mind, I don't know my point.

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Speaker 5: Now on the rest of that, can we call that

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Speaker 8: That's I thread that meal.

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Speaker 5: That's risque.

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Speaker 8: How do you feel about them putting the altitude on

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Speaker 8: their helmets? You know, it's like five thousand two, they

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Speaker 8: got that little thing. I would do that, you know.

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Speaker 9: Why not?

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Speaker 5: It's a weird I didn't think there were a ton

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Speaker 5: of upsets last week. That's why I figured everybody did

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Speaker 5: reasonably well. Spread is tough for me.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I had some courageous picks that could have been

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Speaker 9: but uga chaga. I can't stop this feeling the underdog

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Speaker 9: that is playing really well and has the chance for

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Speaker 9: the upset. It's a dog with teeth.

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Speaker 5: So you know they're favored by three. I'm gonna repeat that.

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Speaker 9: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 9: at Jillette Stadium and three more to go, folks, Oh wow,

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Speaker 9: three more. We're looking ahead because uh, I don't want

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Speaker 9: to look back to that one. That was very disappointing,

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Speaker 9: to say the least, coming off a bye. It's Evan,

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Speaker 9: it's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth

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Speaker 9: were talking Patriots for the next two hours. Current state

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Speaker 9: of the team coming off that buy three games to go?

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Speaker 9: We're sitting at what three and eleven right now? Some yeah,

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Speaker 9: something like that. Disappointing lot.

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Speaker 7: Look at it as the third overall pick in the.

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Speaker 9: Draft, you could, you could look at it that way,

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Speaker 9: but I'm talking about the here and now, and I think,

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Speaker 9: I think, and I thought that that game against the

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Speaker 9: Cardinals was a winnable game, and they just came out

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Speaker 9: and they were they just I'm mistakes.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be my over the top snarky self

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Speaker 5: be much more competitive than that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's frustrating, how it because I felt I

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Speaker 8: don't know how you guys felt inside the stadium, but

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Speaker 8: like the first few offensive plays they ran like it

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Speaker 9: They're marching down the field.

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Speaker 5: And running reasonably. Well. Yeah, a couple of short passes

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Speaker 9: So tough. Yeah, tough to say the least.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you guys were there liked it. Was it.

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Speaker 9: So did you listen to the broadcast?

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Speaker 5: I did not? Oh you mean TV?

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Speaker 5: We watched the game, Ross, you know.

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Speaker 9: I had it in my ear. Ross Tucker was the

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Speaker 5: That was I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 9: You would think that that was almost a home not

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Speaker 5: I kind of agree with you. Yeah, I was going

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Speaker 5: Vederian Lowe misses a block on the second series of

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Speaker 9: I think he said the words the Patriots have a

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Speaker 8: I didn't catch an interesting point. I just I was

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Speaker 9: And like, well, now we know why Vederian Lowe likes

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Speaker 5: You're supposed to protect us, listen, No.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair, absolutely fair.

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Speaker 9: You know. So that was disappointing, and you know, you

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Speaker 8: I agree another one. I'd like to see you let

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Speaker 5: you see the one that the Falcons benefited from last night?

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Speaker 5: You know, speaking of these rough and the passer calls.

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Speaker 7: An awful loss in fantasy football? Oh good in the playoffs,

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Speaker 7: I lost by point zero two of a point.

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Speaker 8: Who do you blame who on your on your roster?

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Speaker 11: On?

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Speaker 8: Yes, his family league actually players right now.

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Speaker 7: I don't like being that guy, Mike that blames people

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Speaker 7: were dead to me. He missed the field goal at

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Speaker 9: Done for you?

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Speaker 5: Are you sure?

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Speaker 5: I missed that.

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Speaker 7: He missed the field goal, and uh, I was winning

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Speaker 8: I mean, you had your chance when he was here,

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Speaker 5: They were both on Harrison, right. All Harrison had to

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Speaker 9: That was a great place.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was literally the best game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when you when you when at some point the

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Speaker 5: So that was another one about the transparency. Was Ross

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Speaker 9: Color of all the color analysts have heard. He's as

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Speaker 5: I thought the broadcast was fine. Now there's a couple,

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Speaker 9: Better than Yeah, speaking of Gonzales. And you know, looking

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Speaker 8: It's a great conversation we talked a lot about on

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Speaker 9: I've heard the argument just because it hasn't been done

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Speaker 5: Right, you know, I'm talking sixty five plays on.

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Speaker 7: I just think the bigger question is can he play

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Speaker 9: But he's a better corner than he is a receiver,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do buy a lot.

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Speaker 7: Yeah I don't know about a lot, but yeah, but

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Speaker 7: I just him too right for him most importantly, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: I don't think like maybe going up against.

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Speaker 7: But if he focuses on receiver full time.

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Speaker 5: We had a lot of people calling in on your side,

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Speaker 9: So what's more realistic then if you're going to play

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Speaker 7: and I expect him to want to play receiver more

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00:20:21,194 --> 00:20:21,793
Speaker 7: than corner.

440
00:20:22,353 --> 00:20:24,634
Speaker 5: I know he wants to try to do both. That's

441
00:20:24,634 --> 00:20:27,114
Speaker 5: what he's he he's talked about. I saw a thing

442
00:20:27,154 --> 00:20:30,593
Speaker 5: with Richard Sherman talking to him, and he was just like,

443
00:20:30,674 --> 00:20:35,593
Speaker 5: you know, just stick with corner and you know, or

444
00:20:35,754 --> 00:20:39,354
Speaker 5: you know, stick with one. And his point was, they're

445
00:20:39,394 --> 00:20:42,473
Speaker 5: gonna run you ragged if you're trying to try, if

446
00:20:42,474 --> 00:20:45,593
Speaker 5: you're playing full time both, They're gonna line up a

447
00:20:45,634 --> 00:20:48,553
Speaker 5: receiver and they're gonna run fifty yard go routes on

448
00:20:48,593 --> 00:20:50,154
Speaker 5: you all game.

449
00:20:50,234 --> 00:20:51,394
Speaker 9: And how do you practice that?

450
00:20:51,553 --> 00:20:54,673
Speaker 5: So they're going to wear you out for offense if

451
00:20:54,714 --> 00:20:57,194
Speaker 5: you if you're going to try to play both. Now,

452
00:20:58,313 --> 00:21:00,634
Speaker 5: Richard Sherman's a guy who played both at a high

453
00:21:00,714 --> 00:21:03,833
Speaker 5: level in college. Like he started his career at Stanford

454
00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:07,073
Speaker 5: as a wide receiver. I shouldn't say necessarily as a

455
00:21:07,154 --> 00:21:09,234
Speaker 5: high level because he became a high level player in

456
00:21:09,273 --> 00:21:12,394
Speaker 5: the pros. He wasn't necessarily that coming out the way

457
00:21:12,434 --> 00:21:15,273
Speaker 5: that the Hunter is. Hunter's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's

458
00:21:15,273 --> 00:21:18,074
Speaker 5: the best player in college football, and Sherman wasn't considered

459
00:21:18,073 --> 00:21:20,353
Speaker 5: that at Stanford. But he's a guy who has some

460
00:21:20,434 --> 00:21:22,074
Speaker 5: experience playing on both sides of the ball.

461
00:21:22,313 --> 00:21:25,673
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, well that's gonna be interesting saying right

462
00:21:25,714 --> 00:21:31,313
Speaker 9: now as it sits Patriots are drafting where third Okay

463
00:21:31,474 --> 00:21:32,434
Speaker 9: Raiders Giants.

464
00:21:32,674 --> 00:21:36,754
Speaker 5: I don't know who's who's first, Giants.

465
00:21:35,553 --> 00:21:39,714
Speaker 7: Traiders, Giants, Patriots, Okay, Panthers, Jaguars, and you know, with

466
00:21:40,194 --> 00:21:42,513
Speaker 7: two games against the Bills and once it went against

467
00:21:42,513 --> 00:21:44,954
Speaker 7: the Chargers, Uh, it's.

468
00:21:44,793 --> 00:21:47,033
Speaker 9: Gonna be tough for the Patriots to get that fourth win.

469
00:21:48,954 --> 00:21:52,234
Speaker 9: You know, I'm still holding out hope. You know, as

470
00:21:52,273 --> 00:21:55,434
Speaker 9: it stands, I said the Patriots ceiling is six this year,

471
00:21:55,474 --> 00:21:59,833
Speaker 9: and by god it is that's their ceiling, right, I

472
00:21:59,954 --> 00:22:00,513
Speaker 9: was right on.

473
00:22:01,553 --> 00:22:02,754
Speaker 7: I'll take the number one pick.

474
00:22:03,073 --> 00:22:04,873
Speaker 8: What a what a challenge though this week to have

475
00:22:04,954 --> 00:22:07,954
Speaker 8: to go play that Buffalo team. I mean, that's they're

476
00:22:07,994 --> 00:22:11,394
Speaker 8: creally humming. So they're wearing their all new I wish.

477
00:22:11,234 --> 00:22:12,313
Speaker 9: I could have watched that game.

478
00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:13,553
Speaker 5: What do they get?

479
00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,594
Speaker 8: They weren't all new red uniforms.

480
00:22:15,714 --> 00:22:17,234
Speaker 9: Yeah, right on white.

481
00:22:17,394 --> 00:22:18,234
Speaker 5: That's disconcerting.

482
00:22:18,394 --> 00:22:21,914
Speaker 7: I just feel like the comparison of watching Buffalo's offense,

483
00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:25,633
Speaker 7: and obviously they have better players and that certainly helps,

484
00:22:25,674 --> 00:22:28,834
Speaker 7: but just watching Joe Brady and Josh Allen and how

485
00:22:28,833 --> 00:22:32,673
Speaker 7: they've designed that offense around Josh Allen and the compare

486
00:22:32,714 --> 00:22:36,234
Speaker 7: and contrast to what the Patriots are running offensively right now,

487
00:22:37,073 --> 00:22:41,874
Speaker 7: it's disheartening. I guess, you know, like it's just from

488
00:22:41,914 --> 00:22:45,153
Speaker 7: a play design perspective, the Bills have leveraged all of

489
00:22:45,234 --> 00:22:49,394
Speaker 7: Josh Allen's talents into their offense, and the Lions defense

490
00:22:49,513 --> 00:22:52,593
Speaker 7: was just in an absolute blender for four quarters, like

491
00:22:52,714 --> 00:22:54,754
Speaker 7: just had no idea where the ball was coming out.

492
00:22:55,194 --> 00:22:58,474
Speaker 7: And you know, I know, a big conversation right now

493
00:22:58,593 --> 00:23:01,234
Speaker 7: is about the design quarterback runs with Drake May or

494
00:23:01,234 --> 00:23:04,194
Speaker 7: their lack thereof. And you know, the Bills are running veer,

495
00:23:04,394 --> 00:23:06,593
Speaker 7: They're running there three years.

496
00:23:06,634 --> 00:23:08,714
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, give it time with Drake May.

497
00:23:08,754 --> 00:23:13,234
Speaker 9: We'll get there, will we We'll get there absolutely, Okay, yeah,

498
00:23:13,313 --> 00:23:14,153
Speaker 9: you know skeptical.

499
00:23:14,313 --> 00:23:16,834
Speaker 5: I mean, like, well, we're Bills there the first year

500
00:23:16,874 --> 00:23:19,153
Speaker 5: that but they ran Josh Allen.

501
00:23:18,954 --> 00:23:21,874
Speaker 9: They ran them, but they he didn't have the command

502
00:23:21,954 --> 00:23:23,994
Speaker 9: of the game that he has right now. I mean,

503
00:23:23,994 --> 00:23:26,793
Speaker 9: come on, Tom Brady didn't have the command.

504
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,673
Speaker 7: We're not talking about him going through progressions like this

505
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:32,833
Speaker 7: is like he's reading an end, the end crashes, he

506
00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:35,074
Speaker 7: keeps the ball and if he doesn't, shuts it off

507
00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:37,154
Speaker 7: all right, Like that that type of stuff is stuff

508
00:23:37,194 --> 00:23:41,114
Speaker 7: that all these quarterbacks are doing from high school on now, right,

509
00:23:41,194 --> 00:23:42,234
Speaker 7: Like that's not it.

510
00:23:42,194 --> 00:23:44,513
Speaker 9: Didn't look that good in Josh Allen's first year.

511
00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:46,994
Speaker 7: No, no, it didn't know what he was doing. But

512
00:23:47,553 --> 00:23:48,633
Speaker 7: ahead of Josh Allen, you.

513
00:23:48,754 --> 00:23:50,953
Speaker 5: Keep changing it. No one's asking it to look as

514
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,393
Speaker 5: good as he's looking for Josh Allen. Yeah, they're asking

515
00:23:55,033 --> 00:23:57,994
Speaker 5: Evans asking to have some design runs for Drake May.

516
00:23:58,954 --> 00:24:00,113
Speaker 5: That's not the same thing.

517
00:23:59,954 --> 00:24:02,234
Speaker 9: All right, But here's a question right for you, Paul,

518
00:24:02,273 --> 00:24:05,994
Speaker 9: because on your show yesterday when I show Felger led

519
00:24:06,033 --> 00:24:09,914
Speaker 9: the show off with the statement that the Patriots made

520
00:24:09,914 --> 00:24:12,674
Speaker 9: an organizational decision they're not going to run Drake May.

521
00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:14,394
Speaker 9: Is that true?

522
00:24:14,674 --> 00:24:15,393
Speaker 5: I don't know.

523
00:24:15,434 --> 00:24:16,154
Speaker 9: I heard that.

524
00:24:16,234 --> 00:24:17,633
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's true, and I don't know

525
00:24:17,634 --> 00:24:20,113
Speaker 5: what he's facing it on. But if you're asking me

526
00:24:20,154 --> 00:24:22,673
Speaker 5: what what I think, Do I think that's true or not?

527
00:24:23,073 --> 00:24:24,474
Speaker 5: I'm going to err on the side of saying I

528
00:24:24,474 --> 00:24:27,273
Speaker 5: think it's true. Yeah, I have no idea.

529
00:24:27,394 --> 00:24:30,073
Speaker 9: No, I don't know there. But I just think that

530
00:24:30,114 --> 00:24:31,434
Speaker 9: they're just not calling those plays.

531
00:24:31,874 --> 00:24:33,793
Speaker 5: It can't be an accident that they haven't called a

532
00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:34,914
Speaker 5: design runs.

533
00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:37,994
Speaker 9: Even sneaker, whether it's a VP thinking you know, we're

534
00:24:38,033 --> 00:24:40,434
Speaker 9: not going to go there yet, maybe those aren't things

535
00:24:40,434 --> 00:24:42,194
Speaker 9: He has to work on and right now we want

536
00:24:42,194 --> 00:24:43,674
Speaker 9: to do things that he needs to work on.

537
00:24:43,793 --> 00:24:45,473
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I'll give you another I don't know,

538
00:24:45,513 --> 00:24:47,593
Speaker 5: I'll give you another reason why I feel that way,

539
00:24:47,674 --> 00:24:50,714
Speaker 5: And it's back to your transparency in the Evidently in

540
00:24:50,754 --> 00:24:53,474
Speaker 5: the production meeting there was one of the plays that

541
00:24:53,513 --> 00:24:55,994
Speaker 5: he ran and he got out of the pocket, ducked

542
00:24:56,033 --> 00:24:59,074
Speaker 5: out of bounds and I did he slide once? Yeah,

543
00:24:59,754 --> 00:25:02,313
Speaker 5: And when he slid, they said they don't want him

544
00:25:02,353 --> 00:25:04,953
Speaker 5: to slide feet first because of what happened to him

545
00:25:04,954 --> 00:25:08,314
Speaker 5: earlier in the year. They want so this is clearly

546
00:25:08,353 --> 00:25:10,714
Speaker 5: something they're talking about about his running and they don't

547
00:25:10,714 --> 00:25:13,754
Speaker 5: want him running, and they want him running and protecting himself.

548
00:25:13,754 --> 00:25:15,873
Speaker 5: That's at the top of the list. So if you're

549
00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:18,793
Speaker 5: asking me what I think, I think that they have

550
00:25:18,874 --> 00:25:22,114
Speaker 5: made a decision. We're not going to make any unnecessary

551
00:25:22,234 --> 00:25:24,513
Speaker 5: hits for Drake May by asking him to be a

552
00:25:24,553 --> 00:25:25,154
Speaker 5: design runner.

553
00:25:25,593 --> 00:25:27,393
Speaker 9: Felga said it like it was a fact.

554
00:25:27,434 --> 00:25:30,273
Speaker 5: I don't have anything to base that on. So I

555
00:25:30,273 --> 00:25:33,474
Speaker 5: don't know if Mike is just overstating something as fact

556
00:25:33,513 --> 00:25:36,394
Speaker 5: that really isn't. It's really his opinion. But if you're

557
00:25:36,394 --> 00:25:38,034
Speaker 5: asking me what I think I think he's right.

558
00:25:38,154 --> 00:25:42,033
Speaker 7: It's there's two explanations. It's either they're protecting him they

559
00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:44,474
Speaker 7: don't want to run him, like Felger said, Or is

560
00:25:44,513 --> 00:25:46,914
Speaker 7: that they don't have the schematic chops to design the place.

561
00:25:47,273 --> 00:25:50,793
Speaker 7: Oh right, there's there's only those two things.

562
00:25:50,954 --> 00:25:53,713
Speaker 9: Well, maybe we just haven't installed. We really haven't practiced

563
00:25:53,754 --> 00:25:55,713
Speaker 9: that yet. We're working on other stuff.

564
00:25:55,874 --> 00:25:57,274
Speaker 7: How could you not practice it yet?

565
00:25:57,313 --> 00:25:57,513
Speaker 9: Though?

566
00:25:57,754 --> 00:26:00,673
Speaker 7: Like this is what he is, Like you're you're this

567
00:26:00,833 --> 00:26:04,434
Speaker 7: is his superpower? Well, like his physical traits are his superpower.

568
00:26:04,474 --> 00:26:05,354
Speaker 7: And if you don't, like.

569
00:26:05,553 --> 00:26:08,393
Speaker 9: Again, it's first year. We're not going anywhere, we're not playoffs.

570
00:26:08,474 --> 00:26:10,474
Speaker 9: Let's have him develop the things that he's not that

571
00:26:10,593 --> 00:26:13,513
Speaker 9: good at yet, and then year two you pull out

572
00:26:13,513 --> 00:26:14,393
Speaker 9: the superpowers.

573
00:26:14,793 --> 00:26:15,353
Speaker 7: I guess I.

574
00:26:15,593 --> 00:26:16,153
Speaker 5: Just I don't know.

575
00:26:16,194 --> 00:26:18,273
Speaker 7: I'm just I'm just saying, No, I hear what you're saying.

576
00:26:18,273 --> 00:26:21,754
Speaker 7: I just look, I just thought offensively with this game plan,

577
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:25,113
Speaker 7: like he threw thirty percent of his passes behind the

578
00:26:25,114 --> 00:26:28,194
Speaker 7: line scrimmage, Like his average aery yards per attempt in

579
00:26:28,234 --> 00:26:29,754
Speaker 7: the first half was negative point eight.

580
00:26:29,954 --> 00:26:32,154
Speaker 9: Is that because of the line It could.

581
00:26:32,033 --> 00:26:33,553
Speaker 5: Be I think that's why they did it.

582
00:26:33,434 --> 00:26:35,553
Speaker 7: It just didn't work, But like, why are they you know,

583
00:26:35,634 --> 00:26:39,474
Speaker 7: they're terrified of the line and he's just not They're

584
00:26:39,513 --> 00:26:41,234
Speaker 7: not letting him get a rhythm or get into the

585
00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:44,033
Speaker 7: game at all. Like he's just throwing screens. He's throwing

586
00:26:44,114 --> 00:26:46,593
Speaker 7: quick game like they they give up a sack, you know,

587
00:26:46,793 --> 00:26:48,553
Speaker 7: Darien Low gives up a sack. I don't even know

588
00:26:48,593 --> 00:26:50,513
Speaker 7: what the play was, Like, I don't even know what

589
00:26:50,634 --> 00:26:51,793
Speaker 7: routes these guys are running.

590
00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:53,914
Speaker 9: So you're down on a VP today.

591
00:26:53,994 --> 00:26:56,393
Speaker 7: I'm down on all of it. But like it just

592
00:26:57,593 --> 00:27:02,474
Speaker 7: it's really disheartening to watch. You know, they don't let

593
00:27:02,914 --> 00:27:04,873
Speaker 7: Drake go out and try to win the game for

594
00:27:04,954 --> 00:27:06,873
Speaker 7: him like they you know, you always said that you

595
00:27:06,914 --> 00:27:09,833
Speaker 7: didn't want them managing him like they managed mac Jones. Yes,

596
00:27:10,073 --> 00:27:12,154
Speaker 7: that's exactly what they did on Sunday. I think they're

597
00:27:12,754 --> 00:27:15,273
Speaker 7: they coddled him, like they're not letting him run. They're

598
00:27:15,273 --> 00:27:17,754
Speaker 7: not running him by design. They're not letting him throw

599
00:27:17,793 --> 00:27:19,553
Speaker 7: the ball down the field, like he didn't throw a

600
00:27:19,553 --> 00:27:21,353
Speaker 7: ball over ten yards until the third quarter.

601
00:27:21,954 --> 00:27:26,234
Speaker 9: All right, Well, listen to me. It's it's approach, you know,

602
00:27:26,273 --> 00:27:29,833
Speaker 9: it's modus operende so far, because I think they should

603
00:27:29,833 --> 00:27:31,553
Speaker 9: have started him on week one. The fact that they

604
00:27:31,593 --> 00:27:35,113
Speaker 9: didn't do that until what week six or seven? This

605
00:27:35,273 --> 00:27:38,234
Speaker 9: makes sense to me that they're they're taking their time

606
00:27:38,313 --> 00:27:41,954
Speaker 9: with him. But I'm not disagreeing with you and that

607
00:27:42,073 --> 00:27:43,033
Speaker 9: they should be doing that.

608
00:27:43,234 --> 00:27:45,033
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think the only thing to me at

609
00:27:45,033 --> 00:27:46,913
Speaker 7: this point because I agree with you at this like

610
00:27:46,954 --> 00:27:48,754
Speaker 7: it's kind of water under the bridge at this point,

611
00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:51,434
Speaker 7: like there's three games left in the season. But if

612
00:27:51,474 --> 00:27:54,194
Speaker 7: I'm girod Mayo and I'm you know, Elliott Wolf, like

613
00:27:54,234 --> 00:27:57,073
Speaker 7: I'm going to a VP and I'm at the end

614
00:27:57,114 --> 00:27:59,273
Speaker 7: of the season and I'm saying, you know what, what

615
00:27:59,474 --> 00:28:01,313
Speaker 7: is our plan for two point zero?

616
00:28:01,394 --> 00:28:05,033
Speaker 9: Yeah, and just remind me in the a VP offense

617
00:28:06,634 --> 00:28:08,794
Speaker 9: is what you want him to do? Part of that?

618
00:28:09,553 --> 00:28:12,554
Speaker 9: Not really And that's okay, And that's kind of.

619
00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:15,913
Speaker 7: Why he got, you know, he left Cleveland like was

620
00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:18,513
Speaker 7: because that Cleveland wanted to bring a lot more of

621
00:28:18,513 --> 00:28:20,593
Speaker 7: this kind of stuff with DeShawn Watson because that's what

622
00:28:20,634 --> 00:28:24,714
Speaker 7: Deshaun Watson is good at. So it just you have

623
00:28:24,793 --> 00:28:26,873
Speaker 7: to go to and you have to say, you know,

624
00:28:27,833 --> 00:28:31,353
Speaker 7: present to me what you're gonna install next year for

625
00:28:31,474 --> 00:28:34,793
Speaker 7: Drake in these elements, right, like, how are we going

626
00:28:35,073 --> 00:28:37,954
Speaker 7: to be the Buffalo Bills offensively in terms of scheme

627
00:28:37,994 --> 00:28:40,913
Speaker 7: and design? And if he past you know, if he

628
00:28:40,994 --> 00:28:44,674
Speaker 7: has a good presentation, then great. But if it's gonna

629
00:28:44,714 --> 00:28:47,834
Speaker 7: be a VP, like, send him to a college team

630
00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:50,154
Speaker 7: for a week or two, Like, send him to one

631
00:28:50,154 --> 00:28:53,754
Speaker 7: of these you know college you know coaches that run

632
00:28:53,794 --> 00:28:56,074
Speaker 7: this type of stuff all the time, you know, and

633
00:28:56,114 --> 00:28:58,314
Speaker 7: that's their offense, and that's the base of their offense.

634
00:28:58,594 --> 00:29:01,153
Speaker 7: And then next year in OTAs in training camp, like

635
00:29:01,234 --> 00:29:02,673
Speaker 7: this is the type of stuff they need to be

636
00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:06,354
Speaker 7: doing from day one, you know it, just build on

637
00:29:06,394 --> 00:29:09,034
Speaker 7: it then, Like if that's what they do, then like fine,

638
00:29:09,154 --> 00:29:11,433
Speaker 7: it's frustrating right now that this is you know, how

639
00:29:11,434 --> 00:29:13,714
Speaker 7: they're doing it. Like it's third and one at the

640
00:29:13,754 --> 00:29:16,514
Speaker 7: four yard line and they're under center with seven offensive

641
00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:18,754
Speaker 7: linemen on the field and Drake is not even a

642
00:29:18,754 --> 00:29:21,994
Speaker 7: factor that he could take off and run with the football.

643
00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:25,634
Speaker 7: But if we get to next September and they come

644
00:29:25,674 --> 00:29:28,034
Speaker 7: out and they have all this stuff in the offense,

645
00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:29,354
Speaker 7: then great.

646
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,714
Speaker 9: So let's just say that they are gonna do what

647
00:29:31,754 --> 00:29:34,954
Speaker 9: you're saying, They're gonna start instituting a lot of this

648
00:29:35,074 --> 00:29:39,394
Speaker 9: type of offense for twenty twenty five. Yeah, if that's

649
00:29:39,434 --> 00:29:43,194
Speaker 9: the case, what's the biggest need right now on the team?

650
00:29:43,474 --> 00:29:44,994
Speaker 7: I mean I still think it's offensive line.

651
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:45,954
Speaker 9: It's O line.

652
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:48,913
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like the Bills have Deon Dawkins and

653
00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:51,113
Speaker 7: like they like to run that long trap play with

654
00:29:51,194 --> 00:29:54,034
Speaker 7: him as the lead blocker, and like he's a really

655
00:29:54,034 --> 00:29:56,713
Speaker 7: good player, so he can block in space, he can

656
00:29:56,754 --> 00:29:58,834
Speaker 7: block on the movies. Athletic, he can get up to

657
00:29:58,874 --> 00:30:01,034
Speaker 7: the second level, you know, he can do those types

658
00:30:01,074 --> 00:30:03,153
Speaker 7: of things, like they have an elite tackle that that

659
00:30:03,194 --> 00:30:05,193
Speaker 7: can do those, you know, types of things that are

660
00:30:05,234 --> 00:30:07,034
Speaker 7: a little bit more exotic for.

661
00:30:06,954 --> 00:30:09,394
Speaker 9: What you're gonna keep cool strangers. He better at guard

662
00:30:09,554 --> 00:30:13,794
Speaker 9: in that system than center? Uh or is it not? Yeah?

663
00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:15,953
Speaker 7: I don't think that necessarily matters, Like to me, I

664
00:30:16,034 --> 00:30:18,234
Speaker 7: just think that it's it's a play design thing. Like

665
00:30:18,474 --> 00:30:21,154
Speaker 7: you look at the Bills in the way that you know, formationally,

666
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:23,754
Speaker 7: they create space and they create conflict in the defense

667
00:30:23,754 --> 00:30:25,994
Speaker 7: and they're constantly moving around you.

668
00:30:26,034 --> 00:30:28,834
Speaker 9: Trade on when you in that system. Is he too

669
00:30:28,834 --> 00:30:30,914
Speaker 9: big for that? Uh? No?

670
00:30:30,994 --> 00:30:33,354
Speaker 7: Because you can run like you can run power, like

671
00:30:33,394 --> 00:30:36,433
Speaker 7: you can run downhill like Buffalo runs gap like they

672
00:30:36,434 --> 00:30:39,794
Speaker 7: don't run zone off of these runs like they they're

673
00:30:39,834 --> 00:30:42,433
Speaker 7: pulling people and they're coming at you, so like it

674
00:30:42,474 --> 00:30:44,474
Speaker 7: doesn't have to be you know, I think that's like

675
00:30:44,914 --> 00:30:47,754
Speaker 7: kind of people say that, oh, zone read, like it

676
00:30:47,754 --> 00:30:49,834
Speaker 7: doesn't have to just be zone read. Like you can

677
00:30:49,914 --> 00:30:53,674
Speaker 7: run gap read plays too, you know, counter trap power.

678
00:30:53,834 --> 00:30:55,994
Speaker 9: Oh listen, I'm with you, I'm with you. You know,

679
00:30:56,114 --> 00:30:59,594
Speaker 9: let's let's make the most use of this guy's talent

680
00:30:59,634 --> 00:31:04,754
Speaker 9: that we can. And I think that's hopefully what's going

681
00:31:04,794 --> 00:31:07,393
Speaker 9: to happen in twenty twenty five. Yeah, the question is

682
00:31:07,394 --> 00:31:11,754
Speaker 9: who's going to be the person to implement instant incorporate that,

683
00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:16,873
Speaker 9: you know, because right now the world seems to be

684
00:31:16,914 --> 00:31:17,914
Speaker 9: down on AVP.

685
00:31:17,714 --> 00:31:19,554
Speaker 5: A little bit taken a lot of a lot of heat.

686
00:31:19,674 --> 00:31:23,034
Speaker 9: Yep, I have never I still give them credit for

687
00:31:23,354 --> 00:31:26,994
Speaker 9: getting made to this point. You know, I didn't credit.

688
00:31:26,794 --> 00:31:29,034
Speaker 5: Obviously, I didn't love. I'm not going to be the

689
00:31:29,234 --> 00:31:32,354
Speaker 5: contrarian say how great it was on Sunday. I didn't love.

690
00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:35,074
Speaker 5: I didn't love the plan on Sunday. I think in general,

691
00:31:36,234 --> 00:31:38,393
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly like I got in an argument this

692
00:31:38,474 --> 00:31:44,633
Speaker 5: morning some talking about how aggressive they were late in

693
00:31:44,634 --> 00:31:47,393
Speaker 5: the game. You know, with the tempo and this and that,

694
00:31:47,434 --> 00:31:51,274
Speaker 5: and I'm like, why would you watch anything that happened

695
00:31:51,274 --> 00:31:53,354
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter of that game? And have you

696
00:31:53,394 --> 00:31:57,154
Speaker 5: watched have any takeaway from it in any every game?

697
00:31:57,274 --> 00:31:59,473
Speaker 5: Like do you but do you honestly think if they

698
00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:03,234
Speaker 5: ran no huddle early at the start of every game

699
00:32:03,234 --> 00:32:05,674
Speaker 5: that Drake May would make it through the game given

700
00:32:05,714 --> 00:32:07,954
Speaker 5: the protection issues that they have, or do you think

701
00:32:07,954 --> 00:32:10,474
Speaker 5: that maybe the Cardinals with a twenty point lead in

702
00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:15,514
Speaker 5: eight minutes left aren't necessarily going hell bent for leather

703
00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:18,274
Speaker 5: and used that again and after Drake May, like they're

704
00:32:18,314 --> 00:32:19,114
Speaker 5: not going to be blitzing.

705
00:32:19,194 --> 00:32:22,914
Speaker 9: And I heard people say, you know with the touchdown

706
00:32:22,954 --> 00:32:25,873
Speaker 9: that May scored running you know, he just walked in.

707
00:32:26,514 --> 00:32:28,834
Speaker 9: See that's what he can do if you allow him

708
00:32:28,834 --> 00:32:30,674
Speaker 9: to run in the reds its like, yes, they weren't

709
00:32:30,714 --> 00:32:31,954
Speaker 9: even playing defense.

710
00:32:32,154 --> 00:32:34,193
Speaker 5: No, no one was playing at all, you know, like

711
00:32:34,234 --> 00:32:37,594
Speaker 5: even the like Evan made a good point about the

712
00:32:37,794 --> 00:32:39,954
Speaker 5: ten yards like none of the passes. This is where

713
00:32:39,954 --> 00:32:41,794
Speaker 5: I would say, I have you know, some of the problems.

714
00:32:41,874 --> 00:32:45,873
Speaker 5: I understand sort of conceptually what they were thinking in

715
00:32:45,954 --> 00:32:48,873
Speaker 5: terms of the Cardinals blitz a lot on defense, but

716
00:32:48,874 --> 00:32:51,314
Speaker 5: they know maybe we can use some of that aggressiveness

717
00:32:51,354 --> 00:32:54,994
Speaker 5: against them, and you run a bunch of screens. How

718
00:32:55,034 --> 00:32:57,274
Speaker 5: about after like the second one that goes for no gain,

719
00:32:57,554 --> 00:32:59,794
Speaker 5: you change that a little bit and do something different.

720
00:33:00,274 --> 00:33:03,634
Speaker 5: The entire first half, what was it minus point eight?

721
00:33:03,754 --> 00:33:06,154
Speaker 7: Yeah, like that's.

722
00:33:05,954 --> 00:33:08,673
Speaker 5: The average are yards of the of the throw. You know.

723
00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:11,153
Speaker 5: I'm watching the Bears last night and there was like

724
00:33:11,634 --> 00:33:13,954
Speaker 5: midway through the second quarter was a similar number for

725
00:33:14,074 --> 00:33:17,594
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. It was like minus point four. And I'm

726
00:33:17,634 --> 00:33:23,834
Speaker 5: on Twitter and everybody is destroying Caleb Williams and everything, like, well, what.

727
00:33:23,754 --> 00:33:24,714
Speaker 12: Do you think he's supposed to?

728
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:26,954
Speaker 5: What do you think he's supposed to do? Like he's running.

729
00:33:26,994 --> 00:33:30,434
Speaker 5: This is what they're they're calling DJ Moore. I don't

730
00:33:30,434 --> 00:33:31,873
Speaker 5: know if you watched any of this game last night,

731
00:33:31,874 --> 00:33:35,154
Speaker 5: but Dj Moore was like a huge focal point. They're

732
00:33:35,194 --> 00:33:37,354
Speaker 5: running him as a running back. He has running back

733
00:33:37,394 --> 00:33:42,154
Speaker 5: experience from his college days. Like then all of a sudden,

734
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:44,074
Speaker 5: he starts throwing the ball downfield and they started moving

735
00:33:44,114 --> 00:33:46,473
Speaker 5: the ball a little bit. At least the Bears, who

736
00:33:46,554 --> 00:33:49,594
Speaker 5: have an interim coach, changed like in the middle of

737
00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:49,914
Speaker 5: the game.

738
00:33:49,994 --> 00:33:52,314
Speaker 9: Well, or use that to set that up right.

739
00:33:52,554 --> 00:33:55,994
Speaker 5: And they started doing some different things. Now, Williams still

740
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,914
Speaker 5: missed some open throws and stuff, and he was still

741
00:33:57,914 --> 00:34:00,153
Speaker 5: a erratic, but at least they moved. They moved the

742
00:34:00,154 --> 00:34:02,754
Speaker 5: ball very well last night. At times, they just couldn't

743
00:34:02,754 --> 00:34:06,354
Speaker 5: score because they kept self destructing. I would take that

744
00:34:06,354 --> 00:34:08,954
Speaker 5: that's the Colts game for the Patriots. They moved the

745
00:34:08,954 --> 00:34:11,674
Speaker 5: ball very well in the Colts game and self destructed

746
00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:13,393
Speaker 5: when they got in the red zone. I'll take that.

747
00:34:14,834 --> 00:34:17,554
Speaker 5: Sunday was not that. Sunday was we can't get out

748
00:34:17,594 --> 00:34:19,754
Speaker 5: of our own way and we're not even trying to

749
00:34:19,834 --> 00:34:22,554
Speaker 5: get the ball downfield to make plays. And it was

750
00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:26,474
Speaker 5: the most predictable call ever. Yeah, the first play of

751
00:34:26,474 --> 00:34:28,994
Speaker 5: the second half was going to be a bomb and

752
00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:32,754
Speaker 5: what happens. He throws it into double coverage. Yeah, and

753
00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,794
Speaker 5: Booty is complaining about play calls against Manda Man and

754
00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:36,794
Speaker 5: that's the best you can do.

755
00:34:37,194 --> 00:34:39,234
Speaker 7: Booty gave up on the route, of course he did.

756
00:34:39,314 --> 00:34:42,433
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like that, like that's just poor to me,

757
00:34:42,473 --> 00:34:43,754
Speaker 5: as Fred would like to say.

758
00:34:43,674 --> 00:34:45,794
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff is I mean,

759
00:34:45,994 --> 00:34:48,433
Speaker 7: that's like the big picture to me is just like you,

760
00:34:48,514 --> 00:34:50,553
Speaker 7: we were talking about the run defense, earlier. There's no

761
00:34:50,634 --> 00:34:53,354
Speaker 7: rallying to the football, like they don't people don't fly

762
00:34:53,473 --> 00:34:55,513
Speaker 7: to it to the football in this defense, like.

763
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:57,154
Speaker 9: What happened to Week one won.

764
00:34:58,873 --> 00:35:01,114
Speaker 7: Chicago, Like you know, the hats do not go to

765
00:35:01,194 --> 00:35:03,754
Speaker 7: the ball. Like it's like one guy in space trying

766
00:35:03,754 --> 00:35:06,633
Speaker 7: to tackle James Connor is a really good running back

767
00:35:06,674 --> 00:35:09,794
Speaker 7: and he misses It's it's fifty yards right, Like there's

768
00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,514
Speaker 7: no there's no rally to the ball on the defensive

769
00:35:12,514 --> 00:35:15,433
Speaker 7: side of the football and offensively, like they just don't

770
00:35:15,433 --> 00:35:19,714
Speaker 7: do anything. They're easy to defend. Fred, Like they're easy

771
00:35:19,754 --> 00:35:20,513
Speaker 7: to defend.

772
00:35:20,274 --> 00:35:22,314
Speaker 5: Mike, Mike, here's the Fred line during the game.

773
00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:24,154
Speaker 8: I did, I mean, I just I think Booty's kind

774
00:35:24,154 --> 00:35:26,154
Speaker 8: of symbol mantic of like what has been going on

775
00:35:26,194 --> 00:35:28,033
Speaker 8: because this summer, like I always thought his hands were

776
00:35:28,034 --> 00:35:30,394
Speaker 8: so solid and like as we progress in the season,

777
00:35:30,433 --> 00:35:32,634
Speaker 8: like that has gotten worse. Like you know, it's like

778
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:35,393
Speaker 8: the things that you could have like come into the season, like,

779
00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:36,953
Speaker 8: oh well, at least Kean Boody, Like I think his

780
00:35:36,953 --> 00:35:39,714
Speaker 8: hands are pretty good, Like now even those he's having drops,

781
00:35:39,714 --> 00:35:42,553
Speaker 8: like he seems off the page, like it's not getting better.

782
00:35:42,634 --> 00:35:44,033
Speaker 8: It's like even the things that you thought you could

783
00:35:44,074 --> 00:35:44,433
Speaker 8: believe in.

784
00:35:44,473 --> 00:35:47,113
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. What bugs me even more about

785
00:35:47,154 --> 00:35:50,553
Speaker 5: the receivers and Booty in particular, like I don't know,

786
00:35:51,034 --> 00:35:53,913
Speaker 5: and we'll get Evan's point on it, his view on

787
00:35:53,953 --> 00:35:54,554
Speaker 5: it in a second.

788
00:35:54,554 --> 00:35:55,393
Speaker 9: They're better than they are.

789
00:35:55,433 --> 00:36:01,873
Speaker 5: But Drake May says, I got to put that on him.

790
00:36:02,074 --> 00:36:04,114
Speaker 5: I was trying to, you know, keep him out of

791
00:36:04,114 --> 00:36:05,714
Speaker 5: harm's way, but I got to put that on him.

792
00:36:05,714 --> 00:36:07,993
Speaker 5: I got to make a better throw to Booty is

793
00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:08,953
Speaker 5: like balls behind me.

794
00:36:09,514 --> 00:36:11,513
Speaker 9: You know that's not all he said, but.

795
00:36:13,154 --> 00:36:15,594
Speaker 5: Go back and listen to it. That that was the

796
00:36:15,634 --> 00:36:18,674
Speaker 5: premise of what wow. And Douglas is the same way,

797
00:36:19,034 --> 00:36:21,913
Speaker 5: like Polk, I have the best hands in football, Like

798
00:36:21,953 --> 00:36:25,593
Speaker 5: this receiving corps talks about itself like it's not part

799
00:36:25,634 --> 00:36:26,234
Speaker 5: of the problem.

800
00:36:26,473 --> 00:36:28,834
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then I just lost my mind before we

801
00:36:28,873 --> 00:36:31,314
Speaker 8: walked over here with Kendrick Bourne posting one of Taylor's

802
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:34,274
Speaker 8: tweets of one of the plays, criticizing him doing my

803
00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:37,113
Speaker 8: bad retweet like I just I can't do this rant

804
00:36:37,154 --> 00:36:38,794
Speaker 8: every week about every week they're up.

805
00:36:38,714 --> 00:36:41,633
Speaker 5: Like now my best celebration after the Bomby catches down

806
00:36:41,674 --> 00:36:43,354
Speaker 5: twenty three to three with eight minutes left.

807
00:36:44,634 --> 00:36:46,234
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got right.

808
00:36:46,594 --> 00:36:49,633
Speaker 7: I mean at least they threw one and a half.

809
00:36:49,714 --> 00:36:51,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm just saying, well, they took him three

810
00:36:51,714 --> 00:36:54,433
Speaker 5: and a half to complete one, but they the other

811
00:36:54,514 --> 00:36:57,153
Speaker 5: the other time they threw one, they had a guy

812
00:36:57,393 --> 00:36:59,393
Speaker 5: as you what did you say you that that that

813
00:36:59,554 --> 00:37:02,354
Speaker 5: Gonzales did to Marvin Harrison's in jail. He was in jail.

814
00:37:02,794 --> 00:37:05,473
Speaker 5: Booty was in jail. And when they were lucky that

815
00:37:05,674 --> 00:37:08,834
Speaker 5: Buddha Baker was so so so glued to Booty that

816
00:37:08,873 --> 00:37:09,953
Speaker 5: he couldn't pick the pass off.

817
00:37:10,074 --> 00:37:13,754
Speaker 9: He was in a phase. Yeah, good fa.

818
00:37:14,634 --> 00:37:17,873
Speaker 8: I just I think this this receiver room is you know, like, look,

819
00:37:17,873 --> 00:37:19,913
Speaker 8: we we cammered them for a lack of talent for

820
00:37:19,994 --> 00:37:22,354
Speaker 8: years now, and that's certainly the case this year. But

821
00:37:22,433 --> 00:37:24,553
Speaker 8: just everything you've been talking about, like they all are

822
00:37:25,393 --> 00:37:29,433
Speaker 8: mistake repeaters, finger pointers, you know, talking to the media afterwards,

823
00:37:29,473 --> 00:37:35,194
Speaker 8: it's just talking about coming off any of those guys

824
00:37:35,194 --> 00:37:37,274
Speaker 8: and like poor you know, even Pop Douglas, he's kind

825
00:37:37,274 --> 00:37:39,393
Speaker 8: of just deer in the headlights now too. He's fumbling

826
00:37:39,873 --> 00:37:41,553
Speaker 8: like you're getting nothing out of that.

827
00:37:41,714 --> 00:37:44,354
Speaker 9: There's no doubt that the pages need a w R one.

828
00:37:44,433 --> 00:37:47,073
Speaker 5: But I feel like in the mirror.

829
00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,834
Speaker 9: Right, but they also need somebody in that room who's

830
00:37:49,873 --> 00:37:50,314
Speaker 9: the leader.

831
00:37:50,674 --> 00:37:53,114
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, Booty's points were all valid.

832
00:37:53,433 --> 00:37:55,754
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think you need to say him publicly,

833
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:59,154
Speaker 7: but but he was right. I mean, the Cardinals came

834
00:37:59,154 --> 00:38:01,714
Speaker 7: out in this game, they and they just played Manton

835
00:38:01,754 --> 00:38:04,874
Speaker 7: man coverage and the Patriots are throwing screens against Manton

836
00:38:04,913 --> 00:38:07,834
Speaker 7: Man coverage. And Booty's thinking to himself, like, why don't

837
00:38:07,873 --> 00:38:09,674
Speaker 7: we try to push the ball down the field? Guys,

838
00:38:09,714 --> 00:38:11,794
Speaker 7: like they're coming out and they're pressing us at the

839
00:38:11,834 --> 00:38:14,194
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, like instead of just throwing the ball

840
00:38:14,234 --> 00:38:15,953
Speaker 7: at the line of scrimmage, Like, maybe if we try

841
00:38:15,953 --> 00:38:16,514
Speaker 7: to take a show.

842
00:38:16,754 --> 00:38:19,033
Speaker 9: So if he's saying that after the game, he's saying

843
00:38:19,074 --> 00:38:23,034
Speaker 9: it during the game. Yeah, And who's sure is anyone listening?

844
00:38:23,194 --> 00:38:25,794
Speaker 9: And if they hear it? Is it again? Does it

845
00:38:25,873 --> 00:38:28,274
Speaker 9: go back to the lack of confidence in the old line?

846
00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:29,274
Speaker 9: You know?

847
00:38:29,514 --> 00:38:34,234
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's obviously you know, probably makes sense that that's

848
00:38:34,234 --> 00:38:36,473
Speaker 7: why they came out with that game plan.

849
00:38:36,554 --> 00:38:39,034
Speaker 5: It's just they don't trust the offense.

850
00:38:39,114 --> 00:38:41,154
Speaker 7: They don't trust the offensive line. But like the Cardinals

851
00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:43,994
Speaker 7: are not like we're not talking about some ferocious paths,

852
00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:46,394
Speaker 7: not a defense. It's not a very good pass rush.

853
00:38:46,634 --> 00:38:48,513
Speaker 5: And by the way, it's a non existent pass.

854
00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:51,113
Speaker 9: I had to laugh because before the game we're like, well,

855
00:38:51,154 --> 00:38:53,114
Speaker 9: you know, Cole Strange is going to be available, but

856
00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:55,194
Speaker 9: where's he going to play? You know, Ben Brown's been

857
00:38:55,194 --> 00:38:58,154
Speaker 9: doing okay and on cue he has two.

858
00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:02,033
Speaker 8: I have a question, a general question for the group,

859
00:39:02,034 --> 00:39:03,674
Speaker 8: and it might be different for the offense and the

860
00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:05,513
Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball, But do you think that

861
00:39:05,634 --> 00:39:08,754
Speaker 8: they're overthinking or underthinking.

862
00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:10,433
Speaker 9: Underthinking the Patriots?

863
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:12,714
Speaker 8: Yes, the coaching ste when they're coming up with offensive

864
00:39:12,714 --> 00:39:13,553
Speaker 8: plans or.

865
00:39:13,554 --> 00:39:17,274
Speaker 9: Great I think I think I think they're overthinking it

866
00:39:17,354 --> 00:39:21,393
Speaker 9: and that's stifling them. They're overthinking it.

867
00:39:21,594 --> 00:39:26,034
Speaker 8: Just loose, go get loose, you know, I kind of

868
00:39:26,074 --> 00:39:26,994
Speaker 8: go around. I'm going around.

869
00:39:28,873 --> 00:39:31,514
Speaker 9: How you look at you know, like either either answer

870
00:39:31,514 --> 00:39:33,234
Speaker 9: is probably need right, they need to do I mean,

871
00:39:33,594 --> 00:39:35,154
Speaker 9: I will say in defense of that, you know, I

872
00:39:35,194 --> 00:39:37,033
Speaker 9: had someone say like they need to do different things

873
00:39:37,074 --> 00:39:37,554
Speaker 9: and these.

874
00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:42,354
Speaker 5: Like it's really hard to be creative for sixty minutes,

875
00:39:42,594 --> 00:39:46,594
Speaker 5: Like they have to trick the opponent for sixty minutes

876
00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:48,513
Speaker 5: to have success because they don't win a lot of

877
00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:50,593
Speaker 5: Like we're just gonna line up on third and town.

878
00:39:51,074 --> 00:39:52,513
Speaker 5: My guy's better than you a guy, so we're going

879
00:39:52,554 --> 00:39:54,594
Speaker 5: to get this th Like Trey McBride lined up on

880
00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:57,033
Speaker 5: third down and said, I'm better than the guy covering me.

881
00:39:57,354 --> 00:39:58,674
Speaker 5: Just throw it to me. I'm going to get the

882
00:39:58,714 --> 00:40:00,913
Speaker 5: first down. They don't have a lot of those options,

883
00:40:01,754 --> 00:40:04,274
Speaker 5: so I will say that, but I think I sighed

884
00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:06,553
Speaker 5: bull with Evan. I think that there's some other things

885
00:40:06,594 --> 00:40:08,593
Speaker 5: that they can be doing, and I don't think they're

886
00:40:08,634 --> 00:40:10,674
Speaker 5: thinking enough about different things that they can do.

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00:40:10,834 --> 00:40:14,154
Speaker 7: Yeah, and defensively, like they third down, it was just

888
00:40:14,234 --> 00:40:16,993
Speaker 7: for going to motion the guy across the formation. If

889
00:40:17,034 --> 00:40:19,433
Speaker 7: nobody goes with him, it's zone. If somebody does go

890
00:40:19,514 --> 00:40:22,113
Speaker 7: with him, it's man. And then here's our man beater,

891
00:40:22,194 --> 00:40:24,674
Speaker 7: here's our zone beater. And it was like taking candy

892
00:40:24,674 --> 00:40:27,033
Speaker 7: from a kid, right Like it was just it was

893
00:40:27,154 --> 00:40:30,594
Speaker 7: just easy, you know, trade McBride. They had like a

894
00:40:30,634 --> 00:40:32,794
Speaker 7: sim pressure up from where they put all the guys

895
00:40:32,873 --> 00:40:35,274
Speaker 7: up on the line of scrimmage. They motioned a guy across.

896
00:40:35,514 --> 00:40:38,234
Speaker 7: Nobody moves, so now you know everybody's dropping out. It's

897
00:40:38,234 --> 00:40:40,873
Speaker 7: his own coverage, right, everybody's gonna drop out, So trade

898
00:40:40,953 --> 00:40:43,714
Speaker 7: McBride just runs across the middle of the field against

899
00:40:43,714 --> 00:40:46,434
Speaker 7: a soft zone coverage and it's a third and six

900
00:40:46,714 --> 00:40:49,674
Speaker 7: and Kyle Duggar and Jelanny Tavai a eight nine yards

901
00:40:49,714 --> 00:40:52,433
Speaker 7: off the ball and he's just wide open underneath the

902
00:40:52,433 --> 00:40:54,794
Speaker 7: coverage for the conversion the next player. They motioned the

903
00:40:54,834 --> 00:40:58,473
Speaker 7: guy across. It's man to man del Pettis versus Trade McBride.

904
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Speaker 7: Who's gonna win that matchup?

905
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Speaker 9: Right?

906
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Speaker 7: And this was just it was it was all that, Like,

907
00:41:02,834 --> 00:41:05,193
Speaker 7: it wasn't anything that Arizona was doing.

908
00:41:05,234 --> 00:41:07,393
Speaker 5: That was That's what I'm saying. Like they could just

909
00:41:07,473 --> 00:41:09,154
Speaker 5: line up and say, my guy's better than the guy

910
00:41:09,194 --> 00:41:12,513
Speaker 5: that's covering me. I'm just gonna do that. The Patriots

911
00:41:12,554 --> 00:41:14,714
Speaker 5: can't do that a lot. I'm not telling you they

912
00:41:14,714 --> 00:41:17,234
Speaker 5: can never do it. I mean, certainly to Mario Douglas

913
00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:19,754
Speaker 5: is capable of winning a one on one against you

914
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Speaker 5: know guys, and you know Born won the one on

915
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Speaker 5: one down the sideline on the bottom, not telling you

916
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Speaker 5: it never happened. But I don't think that's how they're

917
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Speaker 5: going to make it a living. Very often. They have

918
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Speaker 16: You know, just like I said yesterday, and then having

957
00:43:32,314 --> 00:43:34,754
Speaker 16: the opportunity to watch the film, there were definitely a

958
00:43:34,794 --> 00:43:37,234
Speaker 16: lot of plays out there that need that need to

959
00:43:37,234 --> 00:43:39,834
Speaker 16: be made. I talked about, you know, the third down.

960
00:43:40,114 --> 00:43:42,393
Speaker 16: You know, the unique thing about only having six something.

961
00:43:42,473 --> 00:43:44,473
Speaker 16: We have six or seven third downs, and a couple

962
00:43:44,514 --> 00:43:47,593
Speaker 16: of those were situational third downs. It was a very

963
00:43:47,674 --> 00:43:50,314
Speaker 16: unique situation. But we didn't play well on third down

964
00:43:50,354 --> 00:43:53,393
Speaker 16: on either side of the ball. Offensively in the rad area.

965
00:43:53,594 --> 00:43:55,953
Speaker 16: You know, we did an okay job. Obviously, you want

966
00:43:55,994 --> 00:44:00,913
Speaker 16: to pick up the short yardage situations and then defensively,

967
00:44:01,074 --> 00:44:04,514
Speaker 16: you know, it comes back to fundamentals, which I always

968
00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:04,994
Speaker 16: talk about.

969
00:44:05,034 --> 00:44:06,593
Speaker 4: You know, you even look at the big run play.

970
00:44:07,194 --> 00:44:09,234
Speaker 16: We had two players that were pretty much un blocked

971
00:44:09,194 --> 00:44:11,674
Speaker 16: that probably should have made that play. And they expect

972
00:44:11,714 --> 00:44:13,594
Speaker 16: to make those plays, and we as a coaching staff

973
00:44:13,913 --> 00:44:16,314
Speaker 16: expect them to make those plays. But overall, you know,

974
00:44:16,314 --> 00:44:19,393
Speaker 16: I would say that, you know, they came out, Cardinals

975
00:44:19,393 --> 00:44:21,873
Speaker 16: came out, and they played better than us. They executed

976
00:44:21,913 --> 00:44:24,953
Speaker 16: better than us, and we have to we have to

977
00:44:24,994 --> 00:44:27,114
Speaker 16: go to the drum board and get better. And I

978
00:44:27,194 --> 00:44:29,354
Speaker 16: know there's a lot of chatter about you know, the

979
00:44:29,433 --> 00:44:31,673
Speaker 16: question last night. You know, you said that I didn't

980
00:44:31,714 --> 00:44:34,554
Speaker 16: mean anything by that. It was more of a defensive

981
00:44:34,594 --> 00:44:37,433
Speaker 16: response and ultimately, and I tried to clarify that with

982
00:44:37,594 --> 00:44:40,554
Speaker 16: the follow up question because ultimately all of those decisions

983
00:44:40,554 --> 00:44:40,953
Speaker 16: are mine.

984
00:44:40,994 --> 00:44:44,274
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to get that out there. Fire away.

985
00:44:46,634 --> 00:44:49,274
Speaker 17: We'll start with Mike Grease and I anticipate a handswer

986
00:44:49,354 --> 00:44:50,913
Speaker 17: you know, a lot of questions today, so we'll start

987
00:44:50,913 --> 00:44:53,393
Speaker 17: with a single question, get back, raise your hand again

988
00:44:53,433 --> 00:44:55,113
Speaker 17: if you have a follow up question, and we'll come

989
00:44:55,114 --> 00:44:56,314
Speaker 17: back to you ahead.

990
00:44:56,354 --> 00:45:00,154
Speaker 18: Mike True, what do you mean by defensive response to

991
00:45:00,234 --> 00:45:00,794
Speaker 18: that question?

992
00:45:01,594 --> 00:45:03,553
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just more. I didn't mean anything by it.

993
00:45:03,594 --> 00:45:05,553
Speaker 16: I just was like, you know, you said it because

994
00:45:05,554 --> 00:45:07,274
Speaker 16: I didn't want to go down that whole rabbit hole

995
00:45:07,274 --> 00:45:09,473
Speaker 16: and trying to explain all those things, and like I

996
00:45:09,554 --> 00:45:11,274
Speaker 16: just said, I tried to clarify that with the follow

997
00:45:11,354 --> 00:45:15,154
Speaker 16: up question, saying that all of those critical situations follow me.

998
00:45:17,754 --> 00:45:19,714
Speaker 17: Next question, Mike Giardi follot but deg Kai.

999
00:45:21,554 --> 00:45:24,554
Speaker 19: Continuing on that theme, Gerardie, you're you're on the headset,

1000
00:45:24,554 --> 00:45:28,433
Speaker 19: you're on the channel. If you want Drake to run

1001
00:45:28,433 --> 00:45:34,154
Speaker 19: the ball, you have the right and the power to say, Hey, Alex,

1002
00:45:34,433 --> 00:45:35,554
Speaker 19: tell him to run the ball.

1003
00:45:37,194 --> 00:45:37,513
Speaker 4: On me.

1004
00:45:40,754 --> 00:45:45,033
Speaker 17: A kind fall by still Perry.

1005
00:45:43,754 --> 00:45:47,433
Speaker 20: More and droddu has there has there been any organizational

1006
00:45:47,473 --> 00:45:50,754
Speaker 20: disagreement about whether to use Drake my own designed runs.

1007
00:45:51,953 --> 00:45:54,554
Speaker 16: Now that we have we have uh you know, quarterback

1008
00:45:54,594 --> 00:45:57,754
Speaker 16: design runs. Just haven't put him out yet, so there's

1009
00:45:57,754 --> 00:45:59,754
Speaker 16: no disagreement. We're all in the same page. I think

1010
00:45:59,794 --> 00:46:01,834
Speaker 16: Alex and the offensive staff do a good job putting

1011
00:46:01,834 --> 00:46:04,714
Speaker 16: together the game plan. I go in there, offered my

1012
00:46:04,754 --> 00:46:06,674
Speaker 16: two cents, and we come out of the out of

1013
00:46:06,674 --> 00:46:08,714
Speaker 16: the room as a as a unit. All in the

1014
00:46:08,714 --> 00:46:14,194
Speaker 16: same page, still Perry felt by Chris Ryan.

1015
00:46:15,274 --> 00:46:19,234
Speaker 1: Hey drod Has Drake lobbied for those kinds of carries?

1016
00:46:19,274 --> 00:46:21,473
Speaker 21: He mentioned something last night about how you know he

1017
00:46:21,554 --> 00:46:24,513
Speaker 21: was a good quarterback sneaker in college and he was

1018
00:46:24,554 --> 00:46:25,993
Speaker 21: open to it. Has he did he talk to you

1019
00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:28,473
Speaker 21: guys or suggested in moments that he would like to

1020
00:46:28,514 --> 00:46:29,354
Speaker 21: do that kind of thing.

1021
00:46:29,794 --> 00:46:31,433
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm not going to get really into those types

1022
00:46:31,433 --> 00:46:34,474
Speaker 16: of conversations. And again, look, Drake's the ultimate team player.

1023
00:46:34,514 --> 00:46:36,633
Speaker 16: He has been an ultimate team player, and whatever's called,

1024
00:46:36,674 --> 00:46:38,034
Speaker 16: He's going to try to go out there and execute

1025
00:46:38,034 --> 00:46:40,513
Speaker 16: it the best that he possibly can. What I will

1026
00:46:40,514 --> 00:46:43,194
Speaker 16: say is, look, remindre is one of our best players

1027
00:46:43,194 --> 00:46:45,674
Speaker 16: on the team, one of our best weapons on offense,

1028
00:46:45,714 --> 00:46:49,033
Speaker 16: and what we did there was ultimately my decision, and

1029
00:46:49,393 --> 00:46:50,433
Speaker 16: I hope we could pick it up.

1030
00:46:53,834 --> 00:46:55,434
Speaker 17: Chris Ryan follow by Yoki Chin.

1031
00:46:56,473 --> 00:46:57,714
Speaker 1: Hey drot ootball as well.

1032
00:46:57,754 --> 00:47:02,474
Speaker 22: With you money, what is the disconnecting your view between

1033
00:47:02,714 --> 00:47:07,074
Speaker 22: the offensive stats and point production where it feels like,

1034
00:47:07,234 --> 00:47:10,274
Speaker 22: you know, a week after week, there's evidence that the

1035
00:47:10,314 --> 00:47:12,953
Speaker 22: team should be scoring more, you know, than it is.

1036
00:47:13,674 --> 00:47:15,754
Speaker 22: Why in your view is that not happening? Is that

1037
00:47:15,794 --> 00:47:19,393
Speaker 22: play calling? Is it execution and how do you fix it?

1038
00:47:19,913 --> 00:47:21,194
Speaker 4: I think overall's execution.

1039
00:47:21,314 --> 00:47:22,913
Speaker 16: I would say there have been times where we're going

1040
00:47:23,034 --> 00:47:24,873
Speaker 16: backwards in the red area where we're in a place

1041
00:47:24,913 --> 00:47:27,033
Speaker 16: to score, and you know that's tough to do as

1042
00:47:27,074 --> 00:47:28,154
Speaker 16: soon as you get in the red zone, to go

1043
00:47:28,274 --> 00:47:30,154
Speaker 16: backwards kind of put you behind the eight ball. And

1044
00:47:30,714 --> 00:47:32,274
Speaker 16: you know, we just you know, we've been up and

1045
00:47:32,354 --> 00:47:35,513
Speaker 16: down as a whole, you know, offensively, defensively in the

1046
00:47:35,514 --> 00:47:37,913
Speaker 16: red area and we just got to continue to understand

1047
00:47:37,913 --> 00:47:39,993
Speaker 16: that the field is shrinking, there's another player there as

1048
00:47:40,034 --> 00:47:41,874
Speaker 16: far as the middle of the field, safety and everything

1049
00:47:41,913 --> 00:47:43,873
Speaker 16: is about the details and going out there next year.

1050
00:47:46,953 --> 00:47:48,953
Speaker 17: Sophie Cham followed by Sophie Rolling.

1051
00:47:49,154 --> 00:47:52,794
Speaker 23: Warning coaches yesterday, you mentioned after the game that if

1052
00:47:52,794 --> 00:47:54,873
Speaker 23: it sounded like a broken record in terms of your

1053
00:47:55,514 --> 00:47:58,354
Speaker 23: coming in your teams of problems on the field, do

1054
00:47:58,393 --> 00:48:01,594
Speaker 23: you think it's you know, it's because your message was

1055
00:48:01,674 --> 00:48:05,194
Speaker 23: not probably delivered and received by your your players, or

1056
00:48:05,314 --> 00:48:06,433
Speaker 23: you were just simping of your team.

1057
00:48:06,514 --> 00:48:09,033
Speaker 4: Is lack of talents. What might be the reason.

1058
00:48:09,873 --> 00:48:11,794
Speaker 16: As far as the message and being received, that's more

1059
00:48:11,794 --> 00:48:13,794
Speaker 16: of a question for the players, you know. I think

1060
00:48:14,074 --> 00:48:15,953
Speaker 16: you know when we're go into a week, we're all

1061
00:48:15,953 --> 00:48:17,594
Speaker 16: on the same page as far as the targets that

1062
00:48:17,634 --> 00:48:19,154
Speaker 16: we have to hit to go out there and win

1063
00:48:19,194 --> 00:48:21,154
Speaker 16: the game, and unfortunately we just haven't been able to

1064
00:48:21,154 --> 00:48:21,473
Speaker 16: do that.

1065
00:48:24,473 --> 00:48:26,194
Speaker 17: Sophie Roller by Mike Greees.

1066
00:48:27,354 --> 00:48:31,393
Speaker 6: Morning girod, I was just curious about Christian Gonzales that

1067
00:48:31,514 --> 00:48:34,274
Speaker 6: you've had a matchup against some of the top receivers

1068
00:48:34,314 --> 00:48:38,194
Speaker 6: and yesterday was Marvin Harrison Junior. What did you see

1069
00:48:38,234 --> 00:48:41,473
Speaker 6: from him in that game and just what is it

1070
00:48:41,473 --> 00:48:43,114
Speaker 6: about his play that allows him to be such like

1071
00:48:43,154 --> 00:48:44,194
Speaker 6: a lockdown defender.

1072
00:48:45,274 --> 00:48:47,473
Speaker 16: Well, he's our best player on defense and he proved

1073
00:48:47,473 --> 00:48:49,473
Speaker 16: that yesterday. Just a guy that goes out there and

1074
00:48:49,473 --> 00:48:52,154
Speaker 16: competes on a down and a down basis and did

1075
00:48:52,154 --> 00:48:53,234
Speaker 16: a good job for yesterday.

1076
00:48:57,754 --> 00:48:59,594
Speaker 17: Back to the top of the batting Oriel Stir with

1077
00:48:59,634 --> 00:49:00,874
Speaker 17: Mike Grease called a Doug.

1078
00:49:00,794 --> 00:49:04,114
Speaker 18: Kid, you're at a prior to the fourth and one run,

1079
00:49:05,034 --> 00:49:09,554
Speaker 18: CBS had a sideline shot of Alex van Pelt maybe

1080
00:49:09,913 --> 00:49:14,554
Speaker 18: pointing to something and you're reacting to that. I'm wondering,

1081
00:49:14,674 --> 00:49:17,474
Speaker 18: was that the play clock and if you could describe

1082
00:49:17,514 --> 00:49:19,993
Speaker 18: maybe what that interaction was, what was going on in

1083
00:49:19,994 --> 00:49:22,354
Speaker 18: that moment, because it looked like they might have reset it,

1084
00:49:22,393 --> 00:49:26,154
Speaker 18: but it came after fifteen seis possibly?

1085
00:49:26,953 --> 00:49:28,913
Speaker 16: Yeah, that was that was we weren't going to get

1086
00:49:28,913 --> 00:49:31,153
Speaker 16: the playoffs, so i'll call the time out.

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Speaker 4: Is that the player refers?

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Speaker 17: I think it was.

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Speaker 18: I think it was actually, like I want to say,

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Speaker 18: it was the right before the remander runs, so there

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Speaker 18: was no time out, So it's the fourth down play.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I'll circle back. That's I'll double check that I have

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Speaker 1: it right.

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Speaker 17: Right, We're going to the kind forward to Connels.

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Speaker 20: There was another moment on the broadcast where they showed

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Speaker 20: Robert and Jonathan Craft and some of the lip readers

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Speaker 20: out there that they were talking about the offensive play calling.

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Speaker 20: I'm curious what your thoughts were on that moment and

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Speaker 20: if they've ever come to you with issues about offensive

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Speaker 20: play calling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I haven't said anything like that, so I'm not sure

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Speaker 16: what you're talking about. What I will say is, you know,

1105
00:50:19,274 --> 00:50:22,114
Speaker 16: they've been fully supportive of us as a team and

1106
00:50:22,514 --> 00:50:24,433
Speaker 16: they're huge fans of the team that they own, so

1107
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Speaker 16: whatever they they said, that's what they said.

1108
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Speaker 17: Thanks Derek Kyle's follow by Chris Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Morny coach, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 12: I know last night you mentioned with the run defense

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00:50:38,194 --> 00:50:39,993
Speaker 12: that if you take away the one big run from

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Speaker 12: James Connor and things didn't look so bad. I mean,

1113
00:50:42,354 --> 00:50:44,634
Speaker 12: you said something similar after the Jaguars game. But it

1114
00:50:44,714 --> 00:50:46,714
Speaker 12: seems like lately teams has still been able to make

1115
00:50:46,714 --> 00:50:49,314
Speaker 12: those body blows like get enough, yarady, just stay on schedule.

1116
00:50:49,393 --> 00:50:51,314
Speaker 12: So are you willing to kind of con see that

1117
00:50:51,393 --> 00:50:53,154
Speaker 12: as long as you're maybe taking away some things in

1118
00:50:53,154 --> 00:50:55,553
Speaker 12: the past game or do those body blows also still

1119
00:50:55,554 --> 00:50:57,153
Speaker 12: add up because it seems like you face a lot

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Speaker 12: of third and short situations the past few weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the body blows have definitely hurt us.

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00:51:03,314 --> 00:51:05,393
Speaker 16: You know, I thought Connor, you know, ran the ball

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Speaker 16: very hard yesterday and obviously you know that front. They

1124
00:51:07,994 --> 00:51:10,154
Speaker 16: do a good job on their doubles and things like that.

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Speaker 16: But you're exactly right, the body blows they hurt. But

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Speaker 16: in saying that, like the long run by Connor, we

1127
00:51:16,433 --> 00:51:19,834
Speaker 16: were there to make the play. We just didn't finished

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00:51:19,834 --> 00:51:22,033
Speaker 16: to play, which is a frustrating thing and it turns

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Speaker 16: into a fifty yard game. So and again that's what

1130
00:51:24,634 --> 00:51:26,834
Speaker 16: the NFL is, you know, it's you know, every player

1131
00:51:26,913 --> 00:51:29,154
Speaker 16: is six seconds and you've got to have ultimate focus

1132
00:51:29,154 --> 00:51:32,073
Speaker 16: and ultimate execution and six second increments and we.

1133
00:51:32,154 --> 00:51:33,794
Speaker 4: Just we just weren't able to do that.

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00:51:34,754 --> 00:51:40,514
Speaker 17: Thank you. Thanks, try and follow your featum.

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00:51:41,194 --> 00:51:44,274
Speaker 22: Heydra with three games left here, can you speak to

1136
00:51:44,994 --> 00:51:47,834
Speaker 22: your evaluating process at this point and you know, whether

1137
00:51:47,873 --> 00:51:50,874
Speaker 22: it comes to coaches or players, like what you're looking

1138
00:51:50,953 --> 00:51:56,113
Speaker 22: for to see that there is progress going into next

1139
00:51:56,114 --> 00:51:59,393
Speaker 22: season and whether there's certain players or coaches are a

1140
00:51:59,473 --> 00:52:01,314
Speaker 22: part of winning moving forward.

1141
00:52:02,274 --> 00:52:05,194
Speaker 16: There are definitely different measurements or metrics that you know

1142
00:52:05,314 --> 00:52:07,674
Speaker 16: we'll look at at the end of the season, uh,

1143
00:52:07,754 --> 00:52:09,473
Speaker 16: and that we look at right now that we want

1144
00:52:09,514 --> 00:52:12,034
Speaker 16: to see next week, because every week is about getting

1145
00:52:12,034 --> 00:52:15,554
Speaker 16: to want to know and you know, everything's being evaluated.

1146
00:52:15,554 --> 00:52:18,634
Speaker 16: I'm being evaluated, the coaches, the players were all being evaluated,

1147
00:52:18,634 --> 00:52:20,314
Speaker 16: and no one's happy about where we are right now

1148
00:52:20,314 --> 00:52:22,193
Speaker 16: and some things have to have to get better.

1149
00:52:23,154 --> 00:52:29,114
Speaker 17: Thanks are you? Channel followed by Phil Perry.

1150
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:32,034
Speaker 23: Hey, coach, I want to ask you about code strange situation.

1151
00:52:32,794 --> 00:52:35,673
Speaker 23: You guys add him to the I could roster last

1152
00:52:35,754 --> 00:52:38,593
Speaker 23: last week. Understand you have a certain window to do so,

1153
00:52:39,034 --> 00:52:41,834
Speaker 23: but he was inactive yesterday. Does it mean that he's

1154
00:52:41,953 --> 00:52:45,194
Speaker 23: not still not completely ready for the game? Actions was

1155
00:52:45,234 --> 00:52:47,834
Speaker 23: the situation there, if you can explain a little bit, Yeah,

1156
00:52:47,873 --> 00:52:49,354
Speaker 23: it just was. He just wasn't ready to go.

1157
00:52:52,393 --> 00:52:54,674
Speaker 17: Two final questions, Phil Perry and my Grease.

1158
00:53:01,433 --> 00:53:03,834
Speaker 1: Just getting back to your comments from last night.

1159
00:53:03,873 --> 00:53:07,314
Speaker 21: Are you worried at all that those comments you said

1160
00:53:07,354 --> 00:53:08,993
Speaker 21: you didn't mean anything by him? Are you worried at

1161
00:53:08,994 --> 00:53:13,234
Speaker 21: all that they get taken or your players hear them

1162
00:53:13,274 --> 00:53:14,393
Speaker 21: and take them the wrong way.

1163
00:53:15,354 --> 00:53:16,354
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about it.

1164
00:53:16,354 --> 00:53:19,314
Speaker 16: I mean, I feel like, you know, they're gonna they're

1165
00:53:19,354 --> 00:53:21,513
Speaker 16: gonna see all those things, and they know my heart,

1166
00:53:21,554 --> 00:53:23,314
Speaker 16: they know what I'm trying to, you know the point

1167
00:53:23,314 --> 00:53:25,554
Speaker 16: that I'm trying to get across across and look, I

1168
00:53:25,594 --> 00:53:27,834
Speaker 16: don't mean anything by it. I didn't mean anything by it,

1169
00:53:27,873 --> 00:53:30,033
Speaker 16: And like I said earlier, I tried to clarify that

1170
00:53:30,074 --> 00:53:33,354
Speaker 16: with the second comment. I have ultimate respect and also

1171
00:53:35,114 --> 00:53:36,473
Speaker 16: you know for the way that those guys go out

1172
00:53:36,473 --> 00:53:38,433
Speaker 16: there and work every single day, and we just got

1173
00:53:38,473 --> 00:53:40,514
Speaker 16: to start winning some games.

1174
00:53:41,714 --> 00:53:43,074
Speaker 17: The last question Mike Riez.

1175
00:53:43,754 --> 00:53:45,914
Speaker 18: So Jared, I'm going to clean up my other question

1176
00:53:46,514 --> 00:53:49,594
Speaker 18: on the fourth and one run that Rimandre was stopped

1177
00:53:49,634 --> 00:53:53,714
Speaker 18: short on, did you feel like operationally, like the time

1178
00:53:53,994 --> 00:53:57,953
Speaker 18: was good, like you before you know, the ball was snapped.

1179
00:53:57,714 --> 00:53:59,873
Speaker 1: Or were you worried at all in that moment that.

1180
00:54:00,554 --> 00:54:02,473
Speaker 18: The play clock might be coming down on you to

1181
00:54:02,554 --> 00:54:06,393
Speaker 18: get that playoff and that ultimately got off before the

1182
00:54:06,433 --> 00:54:07,513
Speaker 18: play clock went down.

1183
00:54:08,674 --> 00:54:11,234
Speaker 16: I wasn't worried about it, and look, ultimately we missed

1184
00:54:11,234 --> 00:54:13,033
Speaker 16: the block and weren't able to get the first time.

1185
00:54:15,354 --> 00:54:18,193
Speaker 17: Thanks as thank you Jodd, Thanks everyone.

1186
00:54:19,994 --> 00:54:25,953
Speaker 24: And now great moments in history, you know, calling out

1187
00:54:25,994 --> 00:54:27,594
Speaker 24: numbers and I was like, yeah, I just I just

1188
00:54:27,634 --> 00:54:29,794
Speaker 24: don't see twelve out there yet, like making the joke.

1189
00:54:30,194 --> 00:54:32,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I go, we have I go, they gave twelve?

1190
00:54:32,274 --> 00:54:33,114
Speaker 8: Weeve, who's twelve?

1191
00:54:33,594 --> 00:54:35,834
Speaker 7: That's how little did you see twelve of them?

1192
00:54:35,834 --> 00:54:36,754
Speaker 8: I'm like, I.

1193
00:54:36,714 --> 00:54:40,194
Speaker 5: Said it like four times. I literally said it four times,

1194
00:54:40,433 --> 00:54:41,874
Speaker 5: and I was like, they didn't go out twelve.

1195
00:54:42,074 --> 00:54:43,674
Speaker 8: And then he like the look on your faces, like,

1196
00:54:43,794 --> 00:54:47,354
Speaker 8: oh you playing me like that guy, Like Fred, I

1197
00:54:47,834 --> 00:54:49,594
Speaker 8: don't like you you got eighty seven either, just for

1198
00:54:49,634 --> 00:54:50,953
Speaker 8: the record, Yeah, I don't know that one.

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Speaker 5: But is there ever going to be a time where

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Speaker 5: you were allowed to do that? Like twelve? I get yeah,

1201
00:54:56,953 --> 00:55:00,993
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm over it. I mean I love Devin. Yeah,

1202
00:55:01,074 --> 00:55:02,714
Speaker 5: at least I didn't even play last year.

1203
00:55:03,873 --> 00:55:07,114
Speaker 7: It's to me, Devin McCarty is bigger than football. Like,

1204
00:55:07,154 --> 00:55:08,873
Speaker 7: I think Devin McCarty is like one of the best

1205
00:55:08,873 --> 00:55:11,914
Speaker 7: people that's ever walked through this building. Yeah yeah, And

1206
00:55:11,953 --> 00:55:12,513
Speaker 7: I think that.

1207
00:55:12,433 --> 00:55:14,073
Speaker 5: There's and he's recognized as such.

1208
00:55:14,594 --> 00:55:17,194
Speaker 7: I think that in other sports that would be recognized

1209
00:55:17,234 --> 00:55:17,794
Speaker 7: even bigger.

1210
00:55:18,114 --> 00:55:19,993
Speaker 9: This is not one of things your argument, no one

1211
00:55:19,994 --> 00:55:22,834
Speaker 9: ever should be Devin mccorty. I get that, but his

1212
00:55:22,994 --> 00:55:23,873
Speaker 9: number is different.

1213
00:55:24,194 --> 00:55:25,234
Speaker 7: That's just the way I feel.

1214
00:55:25,393 --> 00:55:27,074
Speaker 24: That's another great moment.

1215
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Speaker 9: All right back here and Patriots on filtered a five

1216
00:55:31,913 --> 00:55:36,394
Speaker 9: five past five hundred. Is the TPX hotline podcasts at

1217
00:55:36,634 --> 00:55:41,033
Speaker 9: Patriots dot com is the email address. The newsletter sign

1218
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Speaker 9: ups are going swimmingly. If you want to sign up

1219
00:55:43,034 --> 00:55:45,994
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1220
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Speaker 9: slash PU newsletter dot com And uh no, not not

1221
00:55:53,274 --> 00:55:57,154
Speaker 9: dot com. It's Patriots dot com slash PU Newsletter. There's

1222
00:55:57,194 --> 00:56:00,074
Speaker 9: no dot com after that. So if you want to

1223
00:56:00,114 --> 00:56:03,674
Speaker 9: sign up for the newsletter, that's what you do. And

1224
00:56:04,114 --> 00:56:06,393
Speaker 9: you know, so far, so good with that. Alice just

1225
00:56:06,393 --> 00:56:10,314
Speaker 9: doing a fine job. All right. I have to warn

1226
00:56:10,354 --> 00:56:14,113
Speaker 9: everyone emails and calls are coming in, but they may

1227
00:56:14,154 --> 00:56:17,913
Speaker 9: not be for the faint of heart. If you're you.

1228
00:56:17,873 --> 00:56:20,194
Speaker 5: Know, so I take it that you do your in

1229
00:56:20,354 --> 00:56:23,234
Speaker 5: you know, your in game chat, your online chat. During

1230
00:56:23,234 --> 00:56:24,314
Speaker 5: the game. It was not pretty.

1231
00:56:24,354 --> 00:56:27,194
Speaker 9: Oh it wasn't it get to the point where you know,

1232
00:56:27,314 --> 00:56:29,873
Speaker 9: every other one was fire may or fire a VP.

1233
00:56:29,994 --> 00:56:32,033
Speaker 9: And I'm not going to post those because like, what's

1234
00:56:32,074 --> 00:56:34,513
Speaker 9: the point, you know, but there were millions of.

1235
00:56:34,514 --> 00:56:36,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, the mail bag is getting a little bit tougher

1236
00:56:36,514 --> 00:56:37,114
Speaker 5: to navigate.

1237
00:56:37,194 --> 00:56:40,993
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, people get so worked up about.

1238
00:56:40,714 --> 00:56:42,954
Speaker 5: It, and yeah, not like Deuce.

1239
00:56:43,794 --> 00:56:48,314
Speaker 9: Well, the day they don't get worked up about it

1240
00:56:48,393 --> 00:56:49,514
Speaker 9: is when we're in trouble.

1241
00:56:49,554 --> 00:56:50,034
Speaker 8: That's true.

1242
00:56:50,034 --> 00:56:52,953
Speaker 9: That's true. So let's go to the TPX outline. We've

1243
00:56:52,953 --> 00:56:57,834
Speaker 9: had people holding patiently by. We'll start with Riley, who

1244
00:56:58,154 --> 00:56:59,674
Speaker 9: was in Phoenix. What's up, Riley?

1245
00:57:01,074 --> 00:57:02,633
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how's it going?

1246
00:57:02,994 --> 00:57:03,154
Speaker 9: Hey?

1247
00:57:05,154 --> 00:57:05,393
Speaker 25: Hey?

1248
00:57:05,873 --> 00:57:09,154
Speaker 11: Uh, it was a tough tough watch on Sunday, was

1249
00:57:09,194 --> 00:57:11,194
Speaker 11: at the game, went with the buddy in line and

1250
00:57:11,314 --> 00:57:16,474
Speaker 11: the little early Christmas gift to myself and uh unfortunately

1251
00:57:16,554 --> 00:57:20,034
Speaker 11: left very disappointed. I thought going into the game, this

1252
00:57:20,234 --> 00:57:23,153
Speaker 11: was honestly a game that they could have come out

1253
00:57:23,154 --> 00:57:27,073
Speaker 11: and won. I didn't think they had better odds than

1254
00:57:27,354 --> 00:57:30,754
Speaker 11: the Cold. I think that was probably the best chance

1255
00:57:30,834 --> 00:57:33,714
Speaker 11: and the remaining few games to pull out a win.

1256
00:57:33,914 --> 00:57:39,074
Speaker 11: But by the way, just a couple of things. First

1257
00:57:39,074 --> 00:57:44,594
Speaker 11: of all, I was pretty upset the first few drives

1258
00:57:44,594 --> 00:57:47,834
Speaker 11: of the game, and it gave me flashbacks of the

1259
00:57:47,914 --> 00:57:52,514
Speaker 11: Matt Patricia days, just screen after screen, and it just

1260
00:57:52,634 --> 00:57:55,434
Speaker 11: kept calling them even though they were just getting blown up,

1261
00:57:55,874 --> 00:57:58,514
Speaker 11: and me and a lot of the other fans are

1262
00:57:58,554 --> 00:58:01,474
Speaker 11: just scratching our heads sinking, what the hell are we doing?

1263
00:58:04,114 --> 00:58:09,874
Speaker 11: So anyways, on that note, I'm not in the camp

1264
00:58:09,994 --> 00:58:13,754
Speaker 11: of firing a VP. I think giving him some time

1265
00:58:13,834 --> 00:58:16,874
Speaker 11: because I think at times start the season he had

1266
00:58:16,914 --> 00:58:21,354
Speaker 11: some really good playfalls. But in other instances you have

1267
00:58:21,554 --> 00:58:25,634
Speaker 11: those times where you are just scratching your head wondering

1268
00:58:25,754 --> 00:58:28,234
Speaker 11: what the hell are we thinking? What are we doing?

1269
00:58:28,394 --> 00:58:32,394
Speaker 11: And a perfect example of that, in my opinion, was

1270
00:58:32,794 --> 00:58:35,674
Speaker 11: on that third and one when they decided to run

1271
00:58:35,914 --> 00:58:41,193
Speaker 11: a dive with Antonio Gibson and not our power back

1272
00:58:41,434 --> 00:58:44,593
Speaker 11: Ramandre Stevenson, and then they decide to put him in

1273
00:58:44,954 --> 00:58:48,674
Speaker 11: when we go put it on the fourth and one, Like,

1274
00:58:48,834 --> 00:58:53,073
Speaker 11: why is our power back not in the game in

1275
00:58:53,114 --> 00:58:57,073
Speaker 11: a third and short situation? Or to your guys's point,

1276
00:58:57,154 --> 00:59:00,514
Speaker 11: why are we not just running a quarterback sneak with three?

1277
00:59:02,274 --> 00:59:02,514
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1278
00:59:02,794 --> 00:59:06,394
Speaker 11: I think, oh, sorry, go ahead.

1279
00:59:06,154 --> 00:59:08,234
Speaker 9: No, I think a lot of people are thinking the

1280
00:59:08,274 --> 00:59:08,673
Speaker 9: same thing.

1281
00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:12,394
Speaker 26: Riley agreed, and.

1282
00:59:13,954 --> 00:59:17,914
Speaker 11: On that, I just I really don't understand what's what

1283
00:59:17,914 --> 00:59:21,754
Speaker 11: we're doing when it comes to things like that. But

1284
00:59:22,274 --> 00:59:24,754
Speaker 11: that's pretty much it as far as that goes.

1285
00:59:25,234 --> 00:59:27,754
Speaker 9: Ok, thanks for the Carl, Riley, appreciate you calling in.

1286
00:59:27,834 --> 00:59:29,954
Speaker 5: I would just say on the short yardage stuff, and

1287
00:59:30,394 --> 00:59:32,274
Speaker 5: you know, you can call a quarterback sneek, you could

1288
00:59:32,274 --> 00:59:34,994
Speaker 5: do whatever. But whatever you do, if you don't block

1289
00:59:35,034 --> 00:59:37,634
Speaker 5: the defensive tack, it's probably not gonna.

1290
00:59:37,434 --> 00:59:40,994
Speaker 9: Work, right. You know. By the way, if the Patriots

1291
00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:42,514
Speaker 9: had had a good game, you would have heard it.

1292
00:59:42,554 --> 00:59:44,673
Speaker 9: There were a lot of Patriots fans at that game,

1293
00:59:45,194 --> 00:59:48,114
Speaker 9: and I feel bad for him, you know. Yeah, so

1294
00:59:48,394 --> 00:59:50,354
Speaker 9: a lot of people made the trip out there, A

1295
00:59:50,394 --> 00:59:52,834
Speaker 9: lot of people obviously are Patriots fans, that live out there,

1296
00:59:52,834 --> 00:59:56,194
Speaker 9: and they were there a lot of blue jerseys in

1297
00:59:56,234 --> 00:59:58,194
Speaker 9: the stands, but they didn't have much to cheer for,

1298
00:59:59,274 --> 01:00:02,794
Speaker 9: so feel bad about that for them. Let's go to

1299
01:00:03,394 --> 01:00:05,994
Speaker 9: Chris with a T, I, A N. What's up, Christian?

1300
01:00:07,434 --> 01:00:10,114
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, I'll be quick, and I got a lot

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Speaker 11: of calls.

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Speaker 27: I think the biggest thing for me to share, the

1303
01:00:12,954 --> 01:00:18,954
Speaker 27: biggest disappointment is that you found me and that's it,

1304
01:00:20,714 --> 01:00:27,034
Speaker 27: And it jeopardizes so much of the immediate future, like

1305
01:00:28,074 --> 01:00:31,354
Speaker 27: having a young quarterback on a rookie salary, being able

1306
01:00:31,394 --> 01:00:35,633
Speaker 27: to build around them cheaply with good young guys. Now

1307
01:00:35,674 --> 01:00:37,474
Speaker 27: you've got to go back into the draft and free

1308
01:00:37,474 --> 01:00:41,593
Speaker 27: agency and all the positions that you addressed last year

1309
01:00:42,154 --> 01:00:48,154
Speaker 27: you still have to address. And it's just and the

1310
01:00:48,194 --> 01:00:53,354
Speaker 27: guys that you signed all regressed. If I'm not mistaken

1311
01:00:53,434 --> 01:00:54,994
Speaker 27: unless somebody else has told me different.

1312
01:00:55,034 --> 01:00:59,073
Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, there's a couple here and there.

1313
01:00:59,074 --> 01:01:01,154
Speaker 9: People are asking me a lot that yesterday. Who are

1314
01:01:01,154 --> 01:01:03,274
Speaker 9: the guys that you you know? Who are the guys

1315
01:01:03,274 --> 01:01:05,234
Speaker 9: that should return it? Are you done, Christian? Or do

1316
01:01:05,274 --> 01:01:07,914
Speaker 9: you want to stay?

1317
01:01:08,154 --> 01:01:08,514
Speaker 25: All? Right?

1318
01:01:08,634 --> 01:01:09,194
Speaker 11: A right?

1319
01:01:09,554 --> 01:01:11,074
Speaker 9: You know, people ask who would you who would you

1320
01:01:11,154 --> 01:01:13,633
Speaker 9: keep and you had the question off their if the

1321
01:01:13,714 --> 01:01:16,434
Speaker 9: team were to expand and you can only protect five guys,

1322
01:01:16,594 --> 01:01:18,114
Speaker 9: who would be I think I could come up with

1323
01:01:18,154 --> 01:01:19,113
Speaker 9: five guys pretty easy.

1324
01:01:19,194 --> 01:01:21,154
Speaker 5: No, But like, so that's what I'm asking, what are

1325
01:01:21,154 --> 01:01:23,434
Speaker 5: your what are your five guys who? Like, if you

1326
01:01:23,594 --> 01:01:26,354
Speaker 5: had the questions, like, there's an expansion team coming into

1327
01:01:26,354 --> 01:01:29,194
Speaker 5: the NFL, so you can only protect five, So you

1328
01:01:29,194 --> 01:01:32,434
Speaker 5: have five guys that you identify as part of your future. Obviously,

1329
01:01:32,474 --> 01:01:35,713
Speaker 5: everybody says May and Gonzalez, So who are you other three?

1330
01:01:35,914 --> 01:01:38,954
Speaker 9: I think bar More I would protect. I would protect

1331
01:01:38,954 --> 01:01:42,394
Speaker 9: Henry At this point, I wouldn't go ahead, Okay, I

1332
01:01:42,434 --> 01:01:47,714
Speaker 9: would protect Keon White. You know, so I had.

1333
01:01:47,634 --> 01:01:50,673
Speaker 5: Keon White and Marcus Jones with my other two out

1334
01:01:50,674 --> 01:01:54,194
Speaker 5: of the five because you had to consider age and

1335
01:01:54,474 --> 01:01:56,514
Speaker 5: if I'm going to protect somebody, I'm going to protect

1336
01:01:56,554 --> 01:01:57,914
Speaker 5: someone that's going to be part of my team for

1337
01:01:57,914 --> 01:02:02,034
Speaker 5: a minimum of five years. And they just don't. They

1338
01:02:02,074 --> 01:02:05,194
Speaker 5: don't have a lot of guys that are four. You know, Huh,

1339
01:02:05,194 --> 01:02:06,434
Speaker 5: you have four? I had five?

1340
01:02:06,634 --> 01:02:08,194
Speaker 8: Who was the fifth I had?

1341
01:02:09,114 --> 01:02:09,314
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1342
01:02:09,354 --> 01:02:12,354
Speaker 5: But those are my three locks were or you know,

1343
01:02:12,394 --> 01:02:17,754
Speaker 5: the obvious locks. May Gonzalez Barmore, but I would say

1344
01:02:17,794 --> 01:02:23,954
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones yep, and probably Keon White. I mean, am

1345
01:02:23,994 --> 01:02:26,593
Speaker 5: I missing someone? You guys? I asked better with the roster,

1346
01:02:26,674 --> 01:02:26,914
Speaker 5: and like.

1347
01:02:26,914 --> 01:02:29,234
Speaker 9: The age, the question I was asked is who would

1348
01:02:29,234 --> 01:02:31,314
Speaker 9: you bring back? I'd bring back all those guys. I'd

1349
01:02:31,314 --> 01:02:34,034
Speaker 9: bring back Hooper, you know, I you know I would.

1350
01:02:34,114 --> 01:02:36,073
Speaker 5: I would try to. I would try to bring back

1351
01:02:36,114 --> 01:02:39,714
Speaker 5: Hooper because it certainly doesn't seem like Jahem Bell has

1352
01:02:39,754 --> 01:02:42,794
Speaker 5: done enough to sort of say like, oh, he could

1353
01:02:42,794 --> 01:02:45,994
Speaker 5: be the number two tight end next year expiring. No,

1354
01:02:46,074 --> 01:02:47,593
Speaker 5: I know, that's why you have to bring them back.

1355
01:02:48,514 --> 01:02:49,354
Speaker 5: Hunter is back.

1356
01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:52,154
Speaker 8: I might connect under contract to a VP, and I

1357
01:02:52,194 --> 01:02:54,154
Speaker 8: think that's a connection, And if a VP were to

1358
01:02:54,194 --> 01:02:56,874
Speaker 8: not return, then I wonder if that could be preclusive.

1359
01:02:57,514 --> 01:02:59,234
Speaker 5: But I think he's one of the guys. He's one

1360
01:02:59,274 --> 01:03:01,354
Speaker 5: of the I would say him and Gibson.

1361
01:03:02,554 --> 01:03:04,034
Speaker 7: Have their two best signings.

1362
01:03:04,634 --> 01:03:06,674
Speaker 5: Those are two guys that probably gave you what you

1363
01:03:06,714 --> 01:03:09,194
Speaker 5: were hoping for. If you were if you had other

1364
01:03:09,554 --> 01:03:10,794
Speaker 5: if you had.

1365
01:03:11,034 --> 01:03:17,154
Speaker 9: You know, a great uh uh players at those positions,

1366
01:03:17,954 --> 01:03:20,354
Speaker 9: all those guys would be fine on your team, Like

1367
01:03:20,434 --> 01:03:24,394
Speaker 9: Hooper's fine on my roster, Gibson's fine on my roster.

1368
01:03:24,794 --> 01:03:28,394
Speaker 9: Marcus Jones, he's fine on my roster. It's not like

1369
01:03:28,434 --> 01:03:31,914
Speaker 9: they can't they're not good. We just need playmakers like

1370
01:03:31,954 --> 01:03:34,754
Speaker 9: the higher you know too much, fine, you need to

1371
01:03:34,794 --> 01:03:37,194
Speaker 9: have fifty three guys, and those guys are fine on

1372
01:03:37,234 --> 01:03:38,514
Speaker 9: my fifty three guy roster.

1373
01:03:38,634 --> 01:03:40,914
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I think that you know, to the

1374
01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:43,914
Speaker 7: Christians point about you still have all the same needs. Well,

1375
01:03:43,914 --> 01:03:46,274
Speaker 7: this is what happens when you're constantly drafting based off

1376
01:03:46,314 --> 01:03:50,514
Speaker 7: of need. Like the players that are labeled wide receivers

1377
01:03:50,594 --> 01:03:52,834
Speaker 7: might not be worth the pick that you're picking that

1378
01:03:52,874 --> 01:03:55,634
Speaker 7: player with. And you know, I think the smart teams

1379
01:03:55,994 --> 01:03:58,954
Speaker 7: that have built it right are just drafting the best

1380
01:03:59,034 --> 01:04:01,594
Speaker 7: football players that they can find. I'm not talking about

1381
01:04:01,634 --> 01:04:04,674
Speaker 7: drafting guards and punters and stuff like that, but at

1382
01:04:04,754 --> 01:04:08,154
Speaker 7: premium positions, the best players that you can find. The

1383
01:04:08,194 --> 01:04:10,754
Speaker 7: problems that you get into is when you look at

1384
01:04:10,754 --> 01:04:12,594
Speaker 7: your board and you say, well, we need a guard,

1385
01:04:12,954 --> 01:04:15,394
Speaker 7: so you draft cold strange in the first round when

1386
01:04:15,434 --> 01:04:19,073
Speaker 7: there's better football players available with that draft pick. You know,

1387
01:04:19,154 --> 01:04:22,314
Speaker 7: and now we're getting into this year with the draft,

1388
01:04:22,514 --> 01:04:24,794
Speaker 7: and people are gonna want Ted McMillan and people are

1389
01:04:24,794 --> 01:04:27,394
Speaker 7: gonna want tackles, and it's like, okay, but if they're

1390
01:04:27,434 --> 01:04:30,834
Speaker 7: picking third or first or second overall and Teed McMillan

1391
01:04:30,994 --> 01:04:34,834
Speaker 7: is not the best player in the draft on the board,

1392
01:04:35,154 --> 01:04:37,834
Speaker 7: then you shouldn't be taking that player because now you're

1393
01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:40,073
Speaker 7: still going to need a wide receiver in a year, right,

1394
01:04:40,314 --> 01:04:43,314
Speaker 7: So like that that's all that it is about it.

1395
01:04:43,674 --> 01:04:44,554
Speaker 7: You can't draft on.

1396
01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:49,434
Speaker 9: These and the ironic thing is you need everything this year,

1397
01:04:49,634 --> 01:04:50,633
Speaker 9: so just take the best play.

1398
01:04:50,714 --> 01:04:53,954
Speaker 5: I think that's the silver lining, right, Like you can

1399
01:04:54,114 --> 01:04:56,674
Speaker 5: truly identify the best player available, right with.

1400
01:04:57,034 --> 01:04:59,434
Speaker 8: Me, And even did the little preview for YouTube, And

1401
01:04:59,834 --> 01:05:01,354
Speaker 8: when you look at the Bills roster, I mean, all

1402
01:05:01,394 --> 01:05:04,314
Speaker 8: their key guys were drafted and developed for the most part.

1403
01:05:04,354 --> 01:05:06,554
Speaker 8: I mean, and you know, there's certainly some poles that

1404
01:05:06,594 --> 01:05:09,474
Speaker 8: they had to fill interior line they went and uh,

1405
01:05:09,674 --> 01:05:12,193
Speaker 8: you know, got Amari Cooper. I mean, that's a good

1406
01:05:12,314 --> 01:05:15,474
Speaker 8: like supplemental piece. But really the guys who were making

1407
01:05:15,514 --> 01:05:18,113
Speaker 8: this team right now are guys that they drafted, and

1408
01:05:18,154 --> 01:05:20,034
Speaker 8: even guys that I mean. I made the point, which

1409
01:05:20,354 --> 01:05:22,234
Speaker 8: you know, Kali Security didn't set the world on fire

1410
01:05:22,274 --> 01:05:23,914
Speaker 8: out of the gate. James Cook didn't really set the

1411
01:05:23,914 --> 01:05:26,673
Speaker 8: world up but now they are as they've developed because

1412
01:05:26,674 --> 01:05:28,314
Speaker 8: they're getting good coaching. And I mean, I think you

1413
01:05:28,354 --> 01:05:31,114
Speaker 8: see how the machine starts to work, where all right,

1414
01:05:31,114 --> 01:05:33,314
Speaker 8: we're gonna supplement to our needs, will adda Marii Cooper

1415
01:05:33,314 --> 01:05:35,194
Speaker 8: to try to put us over the top. But you know,

1416
01:05:35,194 --> 01:05:37,434
Speaker 8: it's really Shakir and our tight ends that are, you know,

1417
01:05:37,474 --> 01:05:39,074
Speaker 8: the guys that are making it go down in and

1418
01:05:39,114 --> 01:05:41,194
Speaker 8: down out. And that's I think what you really respect

1419
01:05:41,234 --> 01:05:45,034
Speaker 8: about their team building process and why you have confidence that. Sorry, Fred,

1420
01:05:45,074 --> 01:05:47,394
Speaker 8: I think the window is probably staying open for.

1421
01:05:47,314 --> 01:05:47,754
Speaker 5: A little while.

1422
01:05:47,874 --> 01:05:50,634
Speaker 7: Yeah, Shakira and James Cooker are such great examples of

1423
01:05:50,754 --> 01:05:54,794
Speaker 7: like how we're put into situations to succeed. Like Shakira

1424
01:05:54,954 --> 01:05:57,634
Speaker 7: is a very specific type of player, Like he's a

1425
01:05:57,674 --> 01:06:00,034
Speaker 7: catch and run slot receiver. Like if you have to

1426
01:06:00,114 --> 01:06:02,474
Speaker 7: play him on the outside or you have to ask

1427
01:06:02,594 --> 01:06:04,314
Speaker 7: him to go win one on one all the time,

1428
01:06:04,514 --> 01:06:05,994
Speaker 7: like he's not gonna be able to do that. But

1429
01:06:06,034 --> 01:06:08,954
Speaker 7: in this system, he's just running to space all the

1430
01:06:09,034 --> 01:06:11,153
Speaker 7: time and he's just getting the ball on the move

1431
01:06:11,314 --> 01:06:13,474
Speaker 7: and then he's making things happen with it and it's

1432
01:06:13,554 --> 01:06:16,113
Speaker 7: just a really good fit for him schematically.

1433
01:06:16,234 --> 01:06:18,754
Speaker 5: But I would also add because we're playing Buffalo, so

1434
01:06:18,754 --> 01:06:20,674
Speaker 5: it's kind of topical. And I wrote a little bit

1435
01:06:20,714 --> 01:06:26,593
Speaker 5: about Josh Allen and the Bills this morning. So you're right,

1436
01:06:26,714 --> 01:06:28,714
Speaker 5: like all of those guys right now were draft picks,

1437
01:06:29,474 --> 01:06:32,114
Speaker 5: but it's not necessarily what they did to build the team.

1438
01:06:32,794 --> 01:06:33,274
Speaker 5: They did a.

1439
01:06:33,194 --> 01:06:33,914
Speaker 9: Little of both.

1440
01:06:34,034 --> 01:06:37,074
Speaker 5: You know, when they had the young Josh Allen, they recognized,

1441
01:06:37,114 --> 01:06:38,514
Speaker 5: we need to get the most out of this guy,

1442
01:06:38,554 --> 01:06:42,474
Speaker 5: and they went out and got Steph Diggs, you know,

1443
01:06:42,594 --> 01:06:45,074
Speaker 5: to help him out. He no longer needs Steph Diggs.

1444
01:06:45,074 --> 01:06:46,674
Speaker 5: This is why I sort of and I know this

1445
01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:49,154
Speaker 5: was good. It was a good natured bickering with me

1446
01:06:49,234 --> 01:06:52,633
Speaker 5: and Fred about the window. But I believed much more

1447
01:06:52,674 --> 01:06:54,834
Speaker 5: in Josh Allen. I didn't think that he needed Stefan

1448
01:06:54,874 --> 01:06:58,834
Speaker 5: Diggs anymore. And I thought that, you know, let's call

1449
01:06:58,874 --> 01:07:01,834
Speaker 5: it what it is. Khalil Shakir is a fifth round pick.

1450
01:07:02,354 --> 01:07:04,914
Speaker 5: You know, he's not like this, you know, like Keon

1451
01:07:05,034 --> 01:07:08,114
Speaker 5: Coleman's a guy that they're sort of identified as is

1452
01:07:08,154 --> 01:07:10,674
Speaker 5: maybe the you know, a big thing. He's a second

1453
01:07:10,754 --> 01:07:14,673
Speaker 5: round pick. James Cook, you know, another high, high draft pick.

1454
01:07:15,554 --> 01:07:18,274
Speaker 5: But those guys had they were given time to develop

1455
01:07:18,314 --> 01:07:21,234
Speaker 5: into their roles with Cook and Shakir, but they both

1456
01:07:21,274 --> 01:07:24,634
Speaker 5: in their third year now, so you were able to

1457
01:07:24,674 --> 01:07:28,074
Speaker 5: identify we don't have to go to the mat to

1458
01:07:28,194 --> 01:07:31,074
Speaker 5: keep Step out Stefan Diggs. We don't have to overpay

1459
01:07:31,154 --> 01:07:33,874
Speaker 5: for Gabe Davis, who we really like, but he's kind

1460
01:07:33,874 --> 01:07:36,673
Speaker 5: of inconsistent. We could probably get that with a guy

1461
01:07:36,754 --> 01:07:40,554
Speaker 5: like Mac Collins in free agency. So I think that

1462
01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,794
Speaker 5: they've been pretty smart with some of the moves they made.

1463
01:07:44,354 --> 01:07:46,314
Speaker 5: And like I said at the time in the off season,

1464
01:07:46,434 --> 01:07:49,554
Speaker 5: this wasn't cap casualties. This was a reset. This was

1465
01:07:49,594 --> 01:07:52,634
Speaker 5: we're gonna sort of cycle through some older guys because

1466
01:07:52,674 --> 01:07:54,434
Speaker 5: we have some young guys that we think could play

1467
01:07:54,434 --> 01:07:56,714
Speaker 5: a little bit, and we're gonna do it that way.

1468
01:07:56,754 --> 01:08:00,194
Speaker 5: I know everybody thought, like Tredevius White was a cap casualty.

1469
01:08:00,874 --> 01:08:03,474
Speaker 5: They didn't think he was that good anymore. They thought

1470
01:08:03,554 --> 01:08:06,154
Speaker 5: Christian Benford was better than him, a young guy that

1471
01:08:06,154 --> 01:08:08,834
Speaker 5: they drafted and developed. I think he's a seventh round pick,

1472
01:08:09,754 --> 01:08:13,514
Speaker 5: you know. So Mike's point about the development part is

1473
01:08:13,914 --> 01:08:17,634
Speaker 5: very valid. But they built the front. They built what

1474
01:08:17,674 --> 01:08:20,514
Speaker 5: the bills are right now. In a lot of ways,

1475
01:08:20,714 --> 01:08:23,394
Speaker 5: like getting guys from other places as well.

1476
01:08:24,194 --> 01:08:25,914
Speaker 9: By the reason why coaching so important.

1477
01:08:25,954 --> 01:08:27,914
Speaker 8: And that's I mean, how many guys did Paul just

1478
01:08:27,994 --> 01:08:30,274
Speaker 8: list off of guys that, oh this, he was a

1479
01:08:30,314 --> 01:08:31,954
Speaker 8: sixth round pick, he was a fifth round pick, that

1480
01:08:32,034 --> 01:08:33,754
Speaker 8: now is in year three and now he's leading the

1481
01:08:33,794 --> 01:08:36,674
Speaker 8: team in receptions. Yep, you know the development that you've seen,

1482
01:08:36,714 --> 01:08:39,193
Speaker 8: whereas you know, we're looking at guys like Kyle Duggar

1483
01:08:39,234 --> 01:08:41,914
Speaker 8: who's been here four years and like he doesn't seem

1484
01:08:41,914 --> 01:08:44,234
Speaker 8: like he's getting better. He's not emerging to be a

1485
01:08:44,314 --> 01:08:45,994
Speaker 8: leader on this team. And that's you know, I think

1486
01:08:46,034 --> 01:08:48,874
Speaker 8: that's just that illustrates to me the difference in these

1487
01:08:48,914 --> 01:08:50,594
Speaker 8: these two franchises and now they've.

1488
01:08:50,674 --> 01:08:53,554
Speaker 5: But also not falling in love with all your own

1489
01:08:53,594 --> 01:08:56,474
Speaker 5: players and not being afraid and I think Bill did

1490
01:08:56,514 --> 01:08:58,794
Speaker 5: this for a long time very well, not being afraid

1491
01:08:58,834 --> 01:09:01,073
Speaker 5: to let guys go even if they're still good players.

1492
01:09:01,394 --> 01:09:04,354
Speaker 5: You know, like Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyle were really

1493
01:09:04,354 --> 01:09:06,834
Speaker 5: good players for them for a long time. Now, I

1494
01:09:06,834 --> 01:09:09,274
Speaker 5: think Hyde actually came back on the practice squad. I

1495
01:09:09,274 --> 01:09:11,874
Speaker 5: think he's back there as a veteran presence. But they

1496
01:09:12,474 --> 01:09:14,834
Speaker 5: you know, that defense is not as good as it's

1497
01:09:14,834 --> 01:09:17,954
Speaker 5: been in the past, but they're figuring it out. You know,

1498
01:09:18,034 --> 01:09:19,994
Speaker 5: it didn't look good the last couple of weeks. They've

1499
01:09:19,994 --> 01:09:22,474
Speaker 5: given enough forty plus the last couple of weeks. But

1500
01:09:22,954 --> 01:09:24,194
Speaker 5: you know they'll figure it out.

1501
01:09:24,354 --> 01:09:26,714
Speaker 8: But you just look at like at Oliver high round

1502
01:09:26,794 --> 01:09:29,274
Speaker 8: draftick both edges high round draft picks. I mean, you

1503
01:09:29,314 --> 01:09:31,113
Speaker 8: know a lot of the core, and I know I totally.

1504
01:09:30,954 --> 01:09:34,194
Speaker 5: Agree with your points that they're all draft picks. Matt Milano,

1505
01:09:34,314 --> 01:09:37,394
Speaker 5: Matt Milano in the middle, Like the core, that's the

1506
01:09:37,394 --> 01:09:39,954
Speaker 5: core of that team is You're you're a thousand percent right.

1507
01:09:39,994 --> 01:09:41,354
Speaker 9: We need to draft often.

1508
01:09:41,114 --> 01:09:43,434
Speaker 7: Developed shows though, like you know a lot of these

1509
01:09:43,434 --> 01:09:47,914
Speaker 7: guys like like Alan is making all these guys better, right,

1510
01:09:48,514 --> 01:09:49,594
Speaker 7: and like he's.

1511
01:09:49,474 --> 01:09:51,954
Speaker 5: Like Khalil Shakier. We would be saying, why don't why

1512
01:09:52,034 --> 01:09:53,994
Speaker 5: can't we get anything out of Khalis Shakir. That's what

1513
01:09:54,034 --> 01:09:55,914
Speaker 5: we'd be saying if he was on the Patriots, because

1514
01:09:55,914 --> 01:09:57,914
Speaker 5: he'd be the number one guy, the focus of the

1515
01:09:57,954 --> 01:10:01,514
Speaker 5: other team's secondary and he ain't that. Yeah, in jail,

1516
01:10:01,554 --> 01:10:03,194
Speaker 5: we didn't even get into like the tight ends that

1517
01:10:03,234 --> 01:10:04,154
Speaker 5: are such a huge part.

1518
01:10:04,154 --> 01:10:05,314
Speaker 7: Both both draft.

1519
01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:07,634
Speaker 5: Picks King King Kayden knocks, Yeah.

1520
01:10:07,474 --> 01:10:09,474
Speaker 7: They just you know, like James Cook's a good back,

1521
01:10:09,554 --> 01:10:12,834
Speaker 7: but he's cut. He's got huge holes to run through

1522
01:10:12,874 --> 01:10:15,274
Speaker 7: all the time because of how they stress it with Alan,

1523
01:10:15,354 --> 01:10:18,113
Speaker 7: and it's just, you know, it's just a perfect marriage

1524
01:10:18,154 --> 01:10:19,834
Speaker 7: of like play designer.

1525
01:10:19,514 --> 01:10:20,994
Speaker 8: Quarterback, scheme and talent.

1526
01:10:21,114 --> 01:10:24,274
Speaker 7: And they have enough talent around Alan at the skill position.

1527
01:10:24,314 --> 01:10:26,914
Speaker 5: They even got another key running back that they've you know,

1528
01:10:27,034 --> 01:10:29,354
Speaker 5: draft pick and Ray Davis who's given them a little

1529
01:10:29,354 --> 01:10:31,474
Speaker 5: bit of a lift as a as a second option.

1530
01:10:32,114 --> 01:10:35,314
Speaker 9: Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address, Justin

1531
01:10:35,354 --> 01:10:40,073
Speaker 9: writes in love the show, especially the measured approach. Compared

1532
01:10:40,114 --> 01:10:42,314
Speaker 9: to other media outlets, Well, there you go.

1533
01:10:42,754 --> 01:10:44,234
Speaker 5: Very few have ever called me measured.

1534
01:10:44,554 --> 01:10:47,354
Speaker 9: My question is this, if Gerard Mayo got fired, do

1535
01:10:47,394 --> 01:10:50,114
Speaker 9: you think he'd get hired somewhere else as a defensive coordinator.

1536
01:10:50,394 --> 01:10:52,834
Speaker 9: My guests would be no, But what do you all think?

1537
01:10:52,874 --> 01:10:54,834
Speaker 9: If your answers know as well, then doesn't that tell

1538
01:10:54,914 --> 01:10:55,794
Speaker 9: us all we need to know.

1539
01:10:56,234 --> 01:10:57,114
Speaker 5: That's a great question.

1540
01:10:57,234 --> 01:10:59,074
Speaker 9: Yeah, I told you these wouldn't weren't going to be

1541
01:10:59,354 --> 01:11:01,914
Speaker 9: for the faint of heart. The only positive I hear

1542
01:11:01,994 --> 01:11:04,514
Speaker 9: are the team hasn't quit on him. My question about

1543
01:11:04,554 --> 01:11:07,034
Speaker 9: this is does he deserve all the credit for that.

1544
01:11:07,794 --> 01:11:10,394
Speaker 9: These are all professionals that have to continue to put

1545
01:11:10,394 --> 01:11:13,034
Speaker 9: out good tape for future jobs. So does he really

1546
01:11:13,114 --> 01:11:17,754
Speaker 9: even deserve a bunch of credit for that? So it's

1547
01:11:18,194 --> 01:11:20,514
Speaker 9: that's a good question of the first one. Would he

1548
01:11:20,514 --> 01:11:23,754
Speaker 9: he never was a defensive coordinator. Going into the season,

1549
01:11:23,914 --> 01:11:26,714
Speaker 9: we really didn't know how good a coach he was.

1550
01:11:28,794 --> 01:11:32,954
Speaker 7: So yeah, I've been most disappointed by that side of

1551
01:11:32,994 --> 01:11:35,674
Speaker 7: the ball. Like, offensively, I knew it was gonna be

1552
01:11:35,714 --> 01:11:38,274
Speaker 7: a slog and it was probably not going to be

1553
01:11:38,914 --> 01:11:42,434
Speaker 7: uh as creative as I would like to be able

1554
01:11:42,434 --> 01:11:46,834
Speaker 7: to break down offensive tape. But defensively, like they they

1555
01:11:46,834 --> 01:11:49,234
Speaker 7: brought a lot of other guys back, They brought a

1556
01:11:49,234 --> 01:11:51,874
Speaker 7: lot of the coaches back, and you just thought that

1557
01:11:51,914 --> 01:11:54,994
Speaker 7: it was going to be sort of a continuation of

1558
01:11:55,034 --> 01:11:57,994
Speaker 7: what they were doing with Bill, and they they their

1559
01:11:58,074 --> 01:12:02,674
Speaker 7: fundamentals have regressed. They're they're tackling has regressed. Like they've

1560
01:12:02,714 --> 01:12:05,394
Speaker 7: just regressed across the board on that side of the ball,

1561
01:12:05,474 --> 01:12:08,114
Speaker 7: Like all the players that they resigned and brought back

1562
01:12:08,114 --> 01:12:10,794
Speaker 7: have all regressed, you know, and and so like how

1563
01:12:10,834 --> 01:12:13,034
Speaker 7: did that happen? I think is one of the biggest

1564
01:12:13,114 --> 01:12:14,394
Speaker 7: questions that I have me too.

1565
01:12:14,514 --> 01:12:17,274
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put a mini project together this week. I'm

1566
01:12:17,274 --> 01:12:18,554
Speaker 5: gonna I'm going to dive into this.

1567
01:12:18,474 --> 01:12:18,954
Speaker 4: A little bit.

1568
01:12:18,994 --> 01:12:21,394
Speaker 8: Can any polls involved with that or what's the project?

1569
01:12:21,434 --> 01:12:22,034
Speaker 8: No poles, no.

1570
01:12:21,994 --> 01:12:24,354
Speaker 5: Pulse, I'm gonna I'm gonna look at the last two

1571
01:12:24,434 --> 01:12:27,194
Speaker 5: years of Defense. I'm going to do it, doing a

1572
01:12:27,194 --> 01:12:29,194
Speaker 5: deep dive on the Red fans the last two years,

1573
01:12:29,554 --> 01:12:31,834
Speaker 5: and I've want to see just how well I haven't.

1574
01:12:31,834 --> 01:12:32,754
Speaker 5: I have a hypothesis.

1575
01:12:32,754 --> 01:12:35,034
Speaker 9: I was going to say, you have a preconceived Yeah,

1576
01:12:35,074 --> 01:12:35,554
Speaker 9: you're going in.

1577
01:12:35,714 --> 01:12:38,154
Speaker 5: I just with the bias and if it if it

1578
01:12:38,194 --> 01:12:40,114
Speaker 5: turns out to be wrong, I will come in here

1579
01:12:40,154 --> 01:12:42,234
Speaker 5: and I say I did X, Y and Z and

1580
01:12:42,274 --> 01:12:44,674
Speaker 5: I came out of it and I found out that

1581
01:12:44,714 --> 01:12:45,794
Speaker 5: I'm way off base.

1582
01:12:45,954 --> 01:12:48,434
Speaker 7: I don't know about the stats, and I'll be interested

1583
01:12:48,434 --> 01:12:50,474
Speaker 7: to see your your project and I don't I don't know,

1584
01:12:50,514 --> 01:12:54,714
Speaker 7: but I test. You can obviously watch this defense and

1585
01:12:54,754 --> 01:12:57,514
Speaker 7: you can't, like in terms of assignment, it's.

1586
01:12:57,314 --> 01:12:59,314
Speaker 5: Not as well coached as it's been in the Like

1587
01:12:59,634 --> 01:13:01,394
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any argument against.

1588
01:13:01,274 --> 01:13:03,394
Speaker 7: Right, Like that's all you know. I don't know, Like

1589
01:13:03,554 --> 01:13:07,994
Speaker 7: were they paper tigers before? Like, yes, possibly, but this year,

1590
01:13:08,194 --> 01:13:11,314
Speaker 7: you know, they they're just not sound, like they're not

1591
01:13:11,834 --> 01:13:15,314
Speaker 7: fundamentally sound on that side of the football. Hard to argue,

1592
01:13:15,354 --> 01:13:16,954
Speaker 7: and Bill would never have let that happen.

1593
01:13:17,234 --> 01:13:19,674
Speaker 5: I hard to argue that part. I was a major

1594
01:13:19,714 --> 01:13:21,474
Speaker 5: concern for me in the off season. I said this

1595
01:13:21,554 --> 01:13:25,794
Speaker 5: to you many times, Freddy Bill's loss, like forget about

1596
01:13:25,794 --> 01:13:28,754
Speaker 5: the coach, the head coach of the team, Bill's loss

1597
01:13:28,794 --> 01:13:33,434
Speaker 5: in terms of coordinating, game planning and adjusting on defense.

1598
01:13:33,514 --> 01:13:36,034
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody really took into consideration.

1599
01:13:36,674 --> 01:13:38,234
Speaker 9: We did. We we said it.

1600
01:13:38,314 --> 01:13:42,714
Speaker 5: No, we yeah, I'm talking about outside of here. We did, because,

1601
01:13:42,754 --> 01:13:45,754
Speaker 5: as the emailer said, we're a measured we take a

1602
01:13:45,794 --> 01:13:47,034
Speaker 5: measured approaching these stuff.

1603
01:13:47,074 --> 01:13:49,794
Speaker 7: Though, like if it was I'm talking about like the

1604
01:13:49,874 --> 01:13:54,154
Speaker 7: fundamentals of FO and that piece of it, I was,

1605
01:13:54,234 --> 01:13:57,834
Speaker 7: I'm shocked has gone so far downhill, because like it's

1606
01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,634
Speaker 7: one thing if you get into a chess match with

1607
01:13:59,674 --> 01:14:02,834
Speaker 7: Sean McVay and DeMarcus Coming didn't girod or not up

1608
01:14:02,914 --> 01:14:05,274
Speaker 7: to outwit him. At this point, you know, when the

1609
01:14:05,354 --> 01:14:07,394
Speaker 7: Rams are here a couple of weeks ago, Bill might

1610
01:14:07,394 --> 01:14:10,874
Speaker 7: have been, they weren't. Okay. Whatever, they'll grow, they'll learn,

1611
01:14:11,274 --> 01:14:14,474
Speaker 7: but you know, the breakdowns, the bust the run fits,

1612
01:14:14,514 --> 01:14:18,594
Speaker 7: like the techniques of taking on blocks and the tackling,

1613
01:14:18,874 --> 01:14:24,634
Speaker 7: you know, like all these types of things going. That

1614
01:14:24,714 --> 01:14:26,394
Speaker 7: was buttoning all that up. I guess.

1615
01:14:26,434 --> 01:14:29,994
Speaker 5: So I don't know what I think that Bill did.

1616
01:14:30,154 --> 01:14:32,314
Speaker 5: And this is the thing that I've been most surprised about,

1617
01:14:32,394 --> 01:14:36,114
Speaker 5: even from my perspective, not necessarily being a huge believer

1618
01:14:36,194 --> 01:14:39,714
Speaker 5: in the defense. What Bill would see. Bill would like

1619
01:14:39,754 --> 01:14:43,474
Speaker 5: if it started off bad and you'd be like, oh,

1620
01:14:43,994 --> 01:14:45,674
Speaker 5: we didn't have a good game plan this week. The

1621
01:14:45,674 --> 01:14:48,394
Speaker 5: other team is picking us apart. Bill would figure out

1622
01:14:48,394 --> 01:14:51,034
Speaker 5: what the other team was doing and he would stop

1623
01:14:51,074 --> 01:14:53,874
Speaker 5: it and at least make the other team do something

1624
01:14:53,914 --> 01:15:00,274
Speaker 5: else different to continue the success. Now, to Evan's point,

1625
01:15:01,194 --> 01:15:03,914
Speaker 5: I've seen a half dozen games this year where the

1626
01:15:03,954 --> 01:15:07,234
Speaker 5: other team is doing something and they have success doing

1627
01:15:07,314 --> 01:15:10,954
Speaker 5: it for virtually sixty minutes. Jacksonville running the ball seventeen

1628
01:15:10,994 --> 01:15:15,674
Speaker 5: plays in a row, the Cardinals really running the ball.

1629
01:15:16,834 --> 01:15:18,514
Speaker 5: I don't think they ran the ball enough in that game.

1630
01:15:18,754 --> 01:15:20,194
Speaker 5: I think if they just wanted to run the ball,

1631
01:15:20,274 --> 01:15:22,754
Speaker 5: he could have done what Jacksonville did and just shortened

1632
01:15:22,794 --> 01:15:26,794
Speaker 5: the game and you know, done, done, exactly because James

1633
01:15:26,794 --> 01:15:30,634
Speaker 5: Connor had sixteen carries in this game. Yeah he I mean,

1634
01:15:30,714 --> 01:15:33,114
Speaker 5: imagine if he had twenty five, He's got like two

1635
01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:35,154
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty yards. If if he gave him another

1636
01:15:35,194 --> 01:15:38,794
Speaker 5: ten carries, like they didn't stop them all day. And

1637
01:15:38,874 --> 01:15:41,314
Speaker 5: that never used to happen with Bill. He would say, okay,

1638
01:15:41,314 --> 01:15:44,514
Speaker 5: we're getting gashed. Let's do you know this is an

1639
01:15:44,594 --> 01:15:47,234
Speaker 5: obscure reference. Do you remember the Tim Tebow game in Denver?

1640
01:15:47,274 --> 01:15:49,234
Speaker 5: The first time they would play Tim Tebow? Sure, and

1641
01:15:49,274 --> 01:15:51,354
Speaker 5: they're doing the nonsense that he would do with the

1642
01:15:51,434 --> 01:15:54,394
Speaker 5: running around, and they went right down the field twice

1643
01:15:54,594 --> 01:15:57,314
Speaker 5: and then they never moved the ball again because Bill said, Okay,

1644
01:15:57,314 --> 01:15:59,634
Speaker 5: we're going to do this, this and this, and that's

1645
01:15:59,674 --> 01:16:03,474
Speaker 5: going to stop that. And obviously Tebo had no things

1646
01:16:03,514 --> 01:16:05,034
Speaker 5: to fall back on because he couldn't throw.

1647
01:16:05,514 --> 01:16:09,234
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just you know, I don't think Juwan Bentley

1648
01:16:09,314 --> 01:16:11,754
Speaker 7: is Ray Lewis or like this all time great linebacker.

1649
01:16:12,154 --> 01:16:16,314
Speaker 7: But you know they always had a sledgehammer at the mic,

1650
01:16:16,434 --> 01:16:19,754
Speaker 7: like whether it was high tower Bentley even like a

1651
01:16:19,874 --> 01:16:21,554
Speaker 7: land In right.

1652
01:16:21,434 --> 01:16:24,074
Speaker 5: Like Roberts is still playing well for the Steelers.

1653
01:16:23,594 --> 01:16:27,074
Speaker 7: Like they always had somebody that was gonna run through

1654
01:16:27,354 --> 01:16:29,794
Speaker 7: you know who's face as a Lannon Roberts would tell

1655
01:16:29,834 --> 01:16:33,314
Speaker 7: us all so like they don't have like Tavi's not that,

1656
01:16:33,474 --> 01:16:36,794
Speaker 7: Taki Talkie is not that Christian Ellis certainly isn't that,

1657
01:16:37,274 --> 01:16:40,474
Speaker 7: And like there's just that softness in the middle of

1658
01:16:40,514 --> 01:16:43,274
Speaker 7: the defense, Like anybody can run on this defense like

1659
01:16:43,354 --> 01:16:46,074
Speaker 7: you you have like next week against Buffalo, Like they

1660
01:16:46,154 --> 01:16:48,074
Speaker 7: could run for two hundred and fifty yards against the

1661
01:16:48,114 --> 01:16:49,194
Speaker 7: Patriots if they wanted to.

1662
01:16:49,874 --> 01:16:53,954
Speaker 9: H philin Vermont says, I need this question answer exactly

1663
01:16:54,034 --> 01:16:56,514
Speaker 9: how untalented are some of the players on this team.

1664
01:16:56,954 --> 01:16:59,674
Speaker 9: I watch ball and pretty much know what I'm seeing,

1665
01:16:59,714 --> 01:17:02,274
Speaker 9: but I'll know her. But I'm no Revin Lazar. The

1666
01:17:02,314 --> 01:17:04,394
Speaker 9: team has a lot of holes, but I think most

1667
01:17:04,394 --> 01:17:06,394
Speaker 9: would agree the main issue on the roster is the

1668
01:17:06,394 --> 01:17:09,434
Speaker 9: old line. Real question, could any of the current starters

1669
01:17:09,674 --> 01:17:11,834
Speaker 9: for the O line start for any other of the

1670
01:17:11,874 --> 01:17:14,194
Speaker 9: thirty one teams in the league or are they in

1671
01:17:14,234 --> 01:17:17,154
Speaker 9: fact that bad. I'd also ask the same question of

1672
01:17:17,194 --> 01:17:18,674
Speaker 9: the wide receiver group.

1673
01:17:18,954 --> 01:17:22,194
Speaker 5: Mike, Yeah, I think I want to start for teams.

1674
01:17:22,674 --> 01:17:24,994
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just Chiefs, but you know other teams

1675
01:17:25,754 --> 01:17:26,234
Speaker 5: I would.

1676
01:17:26,114 --> 01:17:28,794
Speaker 8: Refer to to Mike Reese's a little right up today

1677
01:17:28,834 --> 01:17:30,634
Speaker 8: where you know, I think he made a good point.

1678
01:17:30,794 --> 01:17:32,754
Speaker 5: I got to check this out. There are all raving

1679
01:17:32,794 --> 01:17:33,074
Speaker 5: about it.

1680
01:17:33,154 --> 01:17:35,994
Speaker 8: He did less talented teams that you know, play together,

1681
01:17:36,034 --> 01:17:38,634
Speaker 8: play well, play you know, play sound fundamentally, and that's

1682
01:17:38,914 --> 01:17:40,794
Speaker 8: you know, one of the things I like about football

1683
01:17:40,874 --> 01:17:42,754
Speaker 8: is that you know, at a very least you can

1684
01:17:42,794 --> 01:17:44,634
Speaker 8: do that. It doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be the

1685
01:17:44,634 --> 01:17:47,754
Speaker 8: best defense in the league, but you know you can

1686
01:17:48,194 --> 01:17:50,874
Speaker 8: run fits and you know everybody plays together all that,

1687
01:17:50,994 --> 01:17:53,074
Speaker 8: those cliches, and that's just what you don't see. I mean,

1688
01:17:53,074 --> 01:17:56,474
Speaker 8: it's just like we talked about with the defense specifically,

1689
01:17:56,514 --> 01:17:58,754
Speaker 8: it's you know, a couple guys make him plays occasionally.

1690
01:17:58,794 --> 01:18:00,394
Speaker 8: But then you can go right down the list and

1691
01:18:00,434 --> 01:18:02,954
Speaker 8: be like Ko might had these two pressures, but he

1692
01:18:02,994 --> 01:18:05,594
Speaker 8: also had these two blown edges. You know, Christian Barmore

1693
01:18:05,634 --> 01:18:07,794
Speaker 8: did this, but he'd also did you know, every single

1694
01:18:07,834 --> 01:18:10,434
Speaker 8: guy is up and down, and it's and it's a

1695
01:18:10,474 --> 01:18:13,314
Speaker 8: comedy of erarors. It takes turns each different play who's

1696
01:18:13,354 --> 01:18:16,153
Speaker 8: gonna mess up this time? And the result is basically

1697
01:18:16,594 --> 01:18:18,434
Speaker 8: offense is doing what they want defensively.

1698
01:18:18,474 --> 01:18:22,034
Speaker 7: It's so true that you can play together as eleven

1699
01:18:22,074 --> 01:18:25,434
Speaker 7: guys and I'll play your talent ten out of ten.

1700
01:18:25,314 --> 01:18:27,594
Speaker 5: Time, especially when it comes to stopping the run. Yeah,

1701
01:18:27,634 --> 01:18:28,354
Speaker 5: Bill has said that.

1702
01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:32,714
Speaker 7: Yeah, offensively, I just don't think they get enough help

1703
01:18:32,714 --> 01:18:36,154
Speaker 7: from the scheme. Like if at Paul's point earlier about

1704
01:18:36,234 --> 01:18:39,634
Speaker 7: if the tackle just blows the block, well you you

1705
01:18:39,674 --> 01:18:41,834
Speaker 7: don't have the guys to just make those blocks. You

1706
01:18:41,834 --> 01:18:44,074
Speaker 7: don't have the receivers to just win one on one.

1707
01:18:44,354 --> 01:18:46,514
Speaker 7: Like you can't just roll the ball out, you know,

1708
01:18:46,714 --> 01:18:49,794
Speaker 7: and play like. You have to do things offensively that

1709
01:18:49,874 --> 01:18:53,154
Speaker 7: are creative and that are are different because you are

1710
01:18:53,274 --> 01:18:56,514
Speaker 7: talent deficient. And I think that's the part that they lack.

1711
01:18:56,794 --> 01:19:00,114
Speaker 5: But but like you know, and totally a thousand percent

1712
01:19:00,154 --> 01:19:03,354
Speaker 5: with you, the specific the third and third and fourth

1713
01:19:03,394 --> 01:19:08,554
Speaker 5: and one that's really bugged me. And listen, the quarterback

1714
01:19:08,634 --> 01:19:10,954
Speaker 5: sneak whatever you want, that's fine, if you want. If

1715
01:19:10,994 --> 01:19:12,994
Speaker 5: you want to say they should be in shotgun and

1716
01:19:13,114 --> 01:19:15,474
Speaker 5: let Drake may get out on the edges, and I'm

1717
01:19:15,514 --> 01:19:18,434
Speaker 5: all for that. Let Drake may make a play, you know,

1718
01:19:18,674 --> 01:19:21,354
Speaker 5: especially after the third down play gets snuffed. But if

1719
01:19:21,394 --> 01:19:24,714
Speaker 5: you're going to run up the middle like ninety nine

1720
01:19:24,754 --> 01:19:26,394
Speaker 5: percent of the other teams in the league do when

1721
01:19:26,434 --> 01:19:28,714
Speaker 5: it's third and this much and fourth and this much,

1722
01:19:29,554 --> 01:19:31,874
Speaker 5: and you just decide, I'm not going to block a guy.

1723
01:19:31,954 --> 01:19:36,354
Speaker 5: On both plays, it's not a missed block. No one

1724
01:19:36,394 --> 01:19:38,754
Speaker 5: blocked the defensive tackle on the third down play that

1725
01:19:38,834 --> 01:19:41,314
Speaker 5: stuff Gibson, and no one blocked the linebacker on a

1726
01:19:41,354 --> 01:19:43,914
Speaker 5: little bit of a stunt on the fourth down play

1727
01:19:45,354 --> 01:19:47,354
Speaker 5: that like, I don't know what to do, Like I

1728
01:19:47,394 --> 01:19:49,554
Speaker 5: don't know who to kill, I don't know who I'm

1729
01:19:49,594 --> 01:19:51,154
Speaker 5: I don't even know who I'm mad at. It's just

1730
01:19:51,154 --> 01:19:54,034
Speaker 5: so frustrating that It's one thing if you just get

1731
01:19:54,074 --> 01:19:57,114
Speaker 5: overwhelmed physically, and this is what Evan's talking about, like

1732
01:19:57,114 --> 01:19:59,474
Speaker 5: you need some help from your scheme. If they got

1733
01:19:59,514 --> 01:20:03,114
Speaker 5: overwhelmed physically and the you know, Ben Brown is taking

1734
01:20:03,154 --> 01:20:06,274
Speaker 5: on some defensive tackle who's knocking them three yards deep

1735
01:20:06,274 --> 01:20:09,274
Speaker 5: in the backfield and the penetration causes the back to stop.

1736
01:20:09,634 --> 01:20:12,514
Speaker 5: Totally get that. Nobody blocked the guy.

1737
01:20:12,674 --> 01:20:14,434
Speaker 7: No, they were supposed to block the guy. They just

1738
01:20:14,514 --> 01:20:16,674
Speaker 7: missed the block. Like the first play on third down,

1739
01:20:16,754 --> 01:20:18,954
Speaker 7: Laden Robinson is supposed to block the guy, yeah, and

1740
01:20:18,994 --> 01:20:21,554
Speaker 7: he whiffs. He comes out of his stands and he

1741
01:20:21,594 --> 01:20:24,554
Speaker 7: misses him. On the fourth down play, Vedarien Lowe is

1742
01:20:24,554 --> 01:20:27,554
Speaker 7: supposed to block that guy, which allows the polar on

1743
01:20:27,634 --> 01:20:30,034
Speaker 7: when to block the linebacker.

1744
01:20:30,234 --> 01:20:33,714
Speaker 5: Saying, it's not I'm not good enough to block this

1745
01:20:33,794 --> 01:20:36,674
Speaker 5: guy that I understand, Like the guy's better than your guy,

1746
01:20:36,754 --> 01:20:39,754
Speaker 5: and he overpowered you. You whiffed like you didn't even

1747
01:20:39,834 --> 01:20:42,554
Speaker 5: touch them. Especially the third down play that took like

1748
01:20:43,074 --> 01:20:45,874
Speaker 5: a big three hundred pound guy on third down, the

1749
01:20:45,874 --> 01:20:47,474
Speaker 5: food down play. I'm going to give the Cardinals a

1750
01:20:47,474 --> 01:20:49,314
Speaker 5: little credit that was that was kind of I mean,

1751
01:20:49,394 --> 01:20:51,394
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not having when it comes to breaking

1752
01:20:51,394 --> 01:20:53,514
Speaker 5: this stuff down. That seemed a little creative to me.

1753
01:20:53,954 --> 01:20:56,354
Speaker 5: The way they sort of ran the guy inside. They

1754
01:20:56,394 --> 01:20:59,434
Speaker 5: ran a stunt with it, with the idea being that

1755
01:20:59,434 --> 01:21:01,874
Speaker 5: that fifty one guy was going to be unblocked and

1756
01:21:01,914 --> 01:21:02,354
Speaker 5: it worked.

1757
01:21:02,474 --> 01:21:04,234
Speaker 8: Yeah, I get what you're getting, a pol I mean

1758
01:21:04,274 --> 01:21:06,314
Speaker 8: to me, it's like even without who missed the block,

1759
01:21:06,354 --> 01:21:08,314
Speaker 8: It's just it comes down to the end of the season.

1760
01:21:08,714 --> 01:21:10,794
Speaker 8: You need a yard in a game where you're trying

1761
01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:13,074
Speaker 8: to show, you know that you're a team that's starting

1762
01:21:13,074 --> 01:21:14,714
Speaker 8: to come together, that has a little bit of a

1763
01:21:14,754 --> 01:21:17,034
Speaker 8: spark here and they couldn't get a yard on two

1764
01:21:17,074 --> 01:21:19,674
Speaker 8: different chances, regardless of who was at fault, Like, that's

1765
01:21:19,714 --> 01:21:20,634
Speaker 8: where this team's at.

1766
01:21:20,794 --> 01:21:23,034
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Scarnekia used to tell me all the

1767
01:21:23,074 --> 01:21:25,794
Speaker 7: time that if you can't pick up a yard and situation,

1768
01:21:25,874 --> 01:21:31,994
Speaker 7: you stay. You know, he he was as blunted.

1769
01:21:33,234 --> 01:21:35,554
Speaker 9: And that's that's the mindset you have to have. And

1770
01:21:35,634 --> 01:21:38,554
Speaker 9: you know, getting back to you know Bill and and

1771
01:21:38,834 --> 01:21:43,634
Speaker 9: you know the fundamentals. You know, he his coaching staff

1772
01:21:43,714 --> 01:21:46,554
Speaker 9: knew how he wanted it coached like you didn't. He

1773
01:21:46,594 --> 01:21:50,114
Speaker 9: didn't have to explain to Dante scarneki or you know,

1774
01:21:50,234 --> 01:21:53,874
Speaker 9: name the position coach. Here's you know, because they came in.

1775
01:21:53,954 --> 01:21:56,514
Speaker 9: The first thing Bill made sure is this is how

1776
01:21:56,554 --> 01:21:59,714
Speaker 9: I want this position coach, because he was that hands

1777
01:21:59,754 --> 01:22:02,274
Speaker 9: on with all of the positions. And then you get

1778
01:22:02,314 --> 01:22:04,194
Speaker 9: into that groove where you don't have to say it

1779
01:22:04,194 --> 01:22:08,274
Speaker 9: anymore because they know what Bill expects. And then what

1780
01:22:08,434 --> 01:22:10,354
Speaker 9: happened is as you've got more of the brain drain

1781
01:22:10,434 --> 01:22:13,434
Speaker 9: over the years, Bill started losing those guys and it

1782
01:22:13,554 --> 01:22:19,274
Speaker 9: was tougher for him. But you know Bill loved coaching.

1783
01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:22,074
Speaker 9: He in practice, you saw it. You know, I would

1784
01:22:22,114 --> 01:22:25,234
Speaker 9: always look at oh, who's he spending time with today

1785
01:22:24,914 --> 01:22:28,314
Speaker 9: and any camp. And he was teaching. He was teaching.

1786
01:22:28,354 --> 01:22:32,754
Speaker 9: It wasn't just overseeing. He was telling these position coaches,

1787
01:22:32,954 --> 01:22:35,794
Speaker 9: here's what I here's what we're doing this week. Here's

1788
01:22:35,794 --> 01:22:38,154
Speaker 9: what I need you to do with your players. And

1789
01:22:39,314 --> 01:22:42,754
Speaker 9: obviously Gerard's not there yet. Very few coaches are even

1790
01:22:43,114 --> 01:22:45,274
Speaker 9: after many years. But Jerad's not there yet in his

1791
01:22:45,354 --> 01:22:48,474
Speaker 9: first year, and we're seeing that. Let's go back to

1792
01:22:48,514 --> 01:22:52,394
Speaker 9: the TPX outline. Patty's in Agawam. It's been holding on

1793
01:22:52,514 --> 01:22:55,834
Speaker 9: for a long time. What's up Patty in Afion?

1794
01:22:55,914 --> 01:23:00,154
Speaker 28: Everyone, Hey got a question, but I got a little

1795
01:23:00,154 --> 01:23:03,794
Speaker 28: bit of breaking Patriots news to the Saturday twenty eighth

1796
01:23:03,874 --> 01:23:06,034
Speaker 28: game against the Chargers is going to be at one o'clock.

1797
01:23:06,074 --> 01:23:09,874
Speaker 28: I just saw that an NFL dot com What.

1798
01:23:09,994 --> 01:23:14,274
Speaker 9: Day, Saturday eight on Saturday Saturday, Yeah, that was announced.

1799
01:23:14,434 --> 01:23:14,674
Speaker 4: I know.

1800
01:23:16,274 --> 01:23:18,034
Speaker 29: I just want to give you you guys in this

1801
01:23:18,154 --> 01:23:20,994
Speaker 29: show props because Paul, you're right, like I can't remember

1802
01:23:21,034 --> 01:23:22,794
Speaker 29: if it was you were friend who first said it,

1803
01:23:22,874 --> 01:23:26,594
Speaker 29: but both of you guys were a little bit worried

1804
01:23:26,594 --> 01:23:29,074
Speaker 29: about the drop off on the defense without Bill, and

1805
01:23:29,234 --> 01:23:31,154
Speaker 29: I was one of those people that was on the

1806
01:23:31,194 --> 01:23:33,874
Speaker 29: other side of that, I thought the infrastructure was in

1807
01:23:33,914 --> 01:23:36,274
Speaker 29: place as coaching. I thought we had the players, that

1808
01:23:36,994 --> 01:23:39,514
Speaker 29: the drop off wasn't going to be as draftic as

1809
01:23:39,554 --> 01:23:39,914
Speaker 29: it's been.

1810
01:23:39,994 --> 01:23:44,554
Speaker 9: And well, the context of those statements, I remember it clearly, Patty.

1811
01:23:44,914 --> 01:23:47,034
Speaker 9: It was in the off season and we were thinking about,

1812
01:23:47,074 --> 01:23:50,874
Speaker 9: you know, the forecast for twenty twenty four, and everyone

1813
01:23:50,994 --> 01:23:52,674
Speaker 9: was saying, we look, if the defense is as good

1814
01:23:52,714 --> 01:23:55,314
Speaker 9: as it was last year, and Jude on back right,

1815
01:23:55,834 --> 01:23:59,714
Speaker 9: and I remember us saying, listen, don't expect it to

1816
01:23:59,794 --> 01:24:03,474
Speaker 9: be as good because you can't factor in the loss

1817
01:24:03,474 --> 01:24:07,274
Speaker 9: of Bill Belichick, or in other words, I should say better,

1818
01:24:07,754 --> 01:24:10,474
Speaker 9: you have to factor in the loss of Bill Belichick

1819
01:24:10,514 --> 01:24:13,234
Speaker 9: in that defense, and so you can't expect the defense

1820
01:24:13,634 --> 01:24:16,594
Speaker 9: to be as good as it was, you know, barring

1821
01:24:16,634 --> 01:24:21,554
Speaker 9: any other changes as it was the year before. I'm

1822
01:24:21,554 --> 01:24:23,274
Speaker 9: still not saying it wasn't time for Bill to go.

1823
01:24:23,434 --> 01:24:25,754
Speaker 9: It was, but but that's just the fact.

1824
01:24:26,034 --> 01:24:27,914
Speaker 7: I thought it was just a fact. I thought that

1825
01:24:27,954 --> 01:24:32,474
Speaker 7: there was a chance that they'd be schematically different, like

1826
01:24:32,514 --> 01:24:35,234
Speaker 7: they'd bring up different flavor of how they wanted to

1827
01:24:35,434 --> 01:24:38,834
Speaker 7: play a little bit. I just different coaches to have

1828
01:24:38,954 --> 01:24:39,794
Speaker 7: different strokes you.

1829
01:24:39,754 --> 01:24:44,314
Speaker 9: Know, it's pretty much the same on defense, yeah Marcus Covington, Yeah.

1830
01:24:44,154 --> 01:24:46,794
Speaker 7: But they're not like the ones that are Actually they

1831
01:24:46,794 --> 01:24:49,474
Speaker 7: weren't running the defense right right, So like what I

1832
01:24:49,994 --> 01:24:53,754
Speaker 7: was hoping that de Marcus Covington was gonna have some

1833
01:24:53,834 --> 01:24:56,674
Speaker 7: different twists and some different wrinkles like any coach would.

1834
01:24:57,114 --> 01:25:00,474
Speaker 7: And uh, and it does feel like they just tried

1835
01:25:00,514 --> 01:25:03,874
Speaker 7: to run Bill's defense without Bill and they didn't have

1836
01:25:03,954 --> 01:25:06,754
Speaker 7: the magic touch that Bill has with this system. You know,

1837
01:25:06,834 --> 01:25:10,274
Speaker 7: I was just hoping that they'd be maybe front wise,

1838
01:25:10,314 --> 01:25:12,034
Speaker 7: a little bit more aggressive, you know, a little bit

1839
01:25:12,034 --> 01:25:14,514
Speaker 7: more uh, you know, one gap, a little bit more

1840
01:25:14,834 --> 01:25:17,954
Speaker 7: up the field, like and you know, not necessarily.

1841
01:25:17,394 --> 01:25:19,674
Speaker 9: To be fair again, you know, you lose bar more,

1842
01:25:20,194 --> 01:25:23,153
Speaker 9: you lose Bentley behind him, you know, you lose.

1843
01:25:22,954 --> 01:25:25,874
Speaker 7: Even more reason to run up the field, like you know,

1844
01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:28,714
Speaker 7: like if you don't have Bentley to like stand in

1845
01:25:28,754 --> 01:25:31,274
Speaker 7: the bubble and take on a guard, like when you're

1846
01:25:31,554 --> 01:25:34,034
Speaker 7: asking Christian Ellis said two hundred and thirty pounds to

1847
01:25:34,074 --> 01:25:36,394
Speaker 7: do that instead, Like this is what you get. So,

1848
01:25:36,554 --> 01:25:40,194
Speaker 7: like I was hoping that they'd be tweaks, Like I

1849
01:25:40,434 --> 01:25:43,474
Speaker 7: didn't expect wholesale changes to what they were doing schematically,

1850
01:25:43,514 --> 01:25:45,074
Speaker 7: but they haven't really.

1851
01:25:45,274 --> 01:25:46,794
Speaker 9: I just think our point in the off seat was,

1852
01:25:46,834 --> 01:25:49,274
Speaker 9: don't it's not a given that the defense is going

1853
01:25:49,314 --> 01:25:50,234
Speaker 9: to be the same. No.

1854
01:25:50,514 --> 01:25:52,954
Speaker 8: I think there's some stuff to decipher there too. With

1855
01:25:52,994 --> 01:25:56,554
Speaker 8: the safeties. Pepper's was out, Dugger was hurt for a while,

1856
01:25:56,834 --> 01:25:58,754
Speaker 8: and they continued to try to, you know. And I

1857
01:25:58,754 --> 01:26:01,554
Speaker 8: think a lot of what schematically do is spinning the

1858
01:26:01,594 --> 01:26:04,274
Speaker 8: dial with their safeties, playing them at linebacker, moving them back,

1859
01:26:04,354 --> 01:26:06,554
Speaker 8: all this down. He's here, then he's over here, you know,

1860
01:26:07,354 --> 01:26:09,994
Speaker 8: and with Bill and I don't know the purpose behind it,

1861
01:26:10,034 --> 01:26:11,714
Speaker 8: but it felt like there was purpose. Well, why we're

1862
01:26:11,714 --> 01:26:13,394
Speaker 8: putting this guy here? And I just I wonder if

1863
01:26:13,394 --> 01:26:15,794
Speaker 8: these guys are just kind of doing it to do it,

1864
01:26:15,874 --> 01:26:17,434
Speaker 8: spinning it to try to be cute, to try to

1865
01:26:17,474 --> 01:26:20,634
Speaker 8: maybe confuse the up. But it's not working. It's not working.

1866
01:26:21,954 --> 01:26:28,394
Speaker 9: Sam's in West Sussex. What's up, Sam? Sam? Sam?

1867
01:26:28,594 --> 01:26:28,714
Speaker 12: Up?

1868
01:26:29,674 --> 01:26:31,114
Speaker 9: It's an international call, so.

1869
01:26:31,354 --> 01:26:32,554
Speaker 5: You never know, fees.

1870
01:26:33,114 --> 01:26:36,794
Speaker 9: I've got to Todd in North Carolina. What's up? Todd? Oh?

1871
01:26:36,954 --> 01:26:39,754
Speaker 30: I think I'm gonna get my aster when mister Perlo

1872
01:26:39,834 --> 01:26:42,354
Speaker 30: has done his work. I was going to ask if

1873
01:26:42,834 --> 01:26:46,114
Speaker 30: the schedule might have been different last year for what

1874
01:26:46,234 --> 01:26:47,874
Speaker 30: they played this year for the defense.

1875
01:26:47,994 --> 01:26:51,034
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's my hypothesis, Todd.

1876
01:26:51,234 --> 01:26:52,914
Speaker 30: Well, I think that they we played, didn't we play

1877
01:26:52,954 --> 01:26:56,194
Speaker 30: a lot of backup quarterbacks and yep, third string offensive

1878
01:26:56,274 --> 01:26:57,234
Speaker 30: linemen and stuff.

1879
01:26:57,354 --> 01:26:59,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even going to get that deep into

1880
01:26:59,514 --> 01:27:02,154
Speaker 5: the weeds in terms of the lineman. But like, i

1881
01:27:02,234 --> 01:27:05,914
Speaker 5: just feel like if you look at like they played

1882
01:27:05,954 --> 01:27:09,794
Speaker 5: one backup quarterback this year, and that was Tyler Huntley,

1883
01:27:10,474 --> 01:27:13,634
Speaker 5: and that's probably the you know, the defense dominated that

1884
01:27:13,714 --> 01:27:19,234
Speaker 5: game and they still lost because they can't score. But

1885
01:27:19,794 --> 01:27:22,634
Speaker 5: that's a similar you know, you have fifteen to you know,

1886
01:27:22,994 --> 01:27:25,754
Speaker 5: a tool Lists Miami team, like they we give up

1887
01:27:25,794 --> 01:27:31,914
Speaker 5: ten to you know, the Giants without Daniel Jones or

1888
01:27:32,834 --> 01:27:34,634
Speaker 5: who you know, whoever they played when they played the

1889
01:27:34,634 --> 01:27:37,954
Speaker 5: backups last year, they basically snuffed them out. They couldn't

1890
01:27:37,994 --> 01:27:41,234
Speaker 5: win anyway, because much like this year, they just they

1891
01:27:41,234 --> 01:27:44,714
Speaker 5: just can't score enough points. Now, maybe the numbers will

1892
01:27:44,714 --> 01:27:46,234
Speaker 5: not back that up. I'm gonna look at it a

1893
01:27:46,234 --> 01:27:47,714
Speaker 5: little bit in the next couple of days.

1894
01:27:47,954 --> 01:27:50,874
Speaker 30: I'm very curious to see what you get because I

1895
01:27:50,874 --> 01:27:53,914
Speaker 30: don't think that just of course, losing Bill is big

1896
01:27:53,994 --> 01:27:57,674
Speaker 30: as you know, mister Kirsh said, but seriously, that's a

1897
01:27:57,754 --> 01:28:00,994
Speaker 30: huge the drop offs just too participitous. But just the Bill,

1898
01:28:02,474 --> 01:28:03,554
Speaker 30: it just doesn't make sense to me.

1899
01:28:04,034 --> 01:28:05,914
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, we'll see because that's.

1900
01:28:05,754 --> 01:28:09,154
Speaker 30: What I would like to hear. And Evan, how can

1901
01:28:09,194 --> 01:28:11,594
Speaker 30: they fake this defense? They need to come up with

1902
01:28:11,634 --> 01:28:13,554
Speaker 30: a new scheme, like a new approach like you were

1903
01:28:13,594 --> 01:28:16,474
Speaker 30: just talking about, or can they revamp it and try

1904
01:28:16,474 --> 01:28:19,194
Speaker 30: to run bills or does Bill's defense just not work

1905
01:28:19,274 --> 01:28:21,434
Speaker 30: without him? And I'd be curious to hear what you're

1906
01:28:21,434 --> 01:28:21,794
Speaker 30: gonna say.

1907
01:28:21,874 --> 01:28:22,794
Speaker 11: Thank you, guys, Thanks God.

1908
01:28:23,074 --> 01:28:25,074
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question. I think it's

1909
01:28:25,074 --> 01:28:28,234
Speaker 7: a question good touches a lot of different things too,

1910
01:28:28,274 --> 01:28:30,514
Speaker 7: because you have to talk about like personnel and who

1911
01:28:30,594 --> 01:28:34,034
Speaker 7: you're acquiring in free agency in the draft, and is

1912
01:28:34,074 --> 01:28:36,794
Speaker 7: it a certain type of player anymore? Right, Like do

1913
01:28:36,794 --> 01:28:40,634
Speaker 7: you need the Anthony Jennings player archetype anymore? Do you

1914
01:28:40,754 --> 01:28:44,834
Speaker 7: need a Juwan Bentley type of player anymore? Like those

1915
01:28:44,874 --> 01:28:48,154
Speaker 7: guys Dugger and Peppers as like hybrids, like they're very

1916
01:28:48,194 --> 01:28:51,674
Speaker 7: specific to this defense and how Bill would do things.

1917
01:28:52,074 --> 01:28:54,354
Speaker 7: And if that's not how you're gonna play the point,

1918
01:28:54,554 --> 01:28:56,634
Speaker 7: then you have to pivot out of those types of

1919
01:28:56,754 --> 01:28:58,954
Speaker 7: archetypes in terms of the player types as well. So

1920
01:28:59,034 --> 01:29:01,274
Speaker 7: it's just like this is the type of stuff that

1921
01:29:01,834 --> 01:29:04,554
Speaker 7: when we talk about this, this coaching staff and this regime,

1922
01:29:05,074 --> 01:29:09,114
Speaker 7: like Bill would have this conversation and be playing three

1923
01:29:09,194 --> 01:29:11,794
Speaker 7: D chess right like he would be on a plane

1924
01:29:11,834 --> 01:29:14,354
Speaker 7: that like maybe only he could get to Like are

1925
01:29:14,394 --> 01:29:17,114
Speaker 7: these the conversations that are happening now?

1926
01:29:17,354 --> 01:29:19,394
Speaker 9: Like are they They're in North Carolina?

1927
01:29:20,274 --> 01:29:23,874
Speaker 7: But like, are they seriously considering these types of things?

1928
01:29:24,514 --> 01:29:28,194
Speaker 7: You know, at a next level type of thinking of

1929
01:29:28,274 --> 01:29:30,874
Speaker 7: you know, this is you know, to Douce's point about

1930
01:29:30,874 --> 01:29:33,314
Speaker 7: the disguise, and like this is why we're doing it,

1931
01:29:33,594 --> 01:29:35,114
Speaker 7: Like are we doing it just to do it? Or

1932
01:29:35,154 --> 01:29:38,074
Speaker 7: are we doing it because it's actually giving us an advantage?

1933
01:29:38,274 --> 01:29:40,874
Speaker 7: Like Bill always did everything to give him an advantage.

1934
01:29:41,154 --> 01:29:43,794
Speaker 7: And I just worry that there we're not thinking. You're

1935
01:29:43,794 --> 01:29:45,114
Speaker 7: not going to be Bill, like you're not going to

1936
01:29:45,194 --> 01:29:47,074
Speaker 7: be thinking on that plane, but like, can we at

1937
01:29:47,154 --> 01:29:49,474
Speaker 7: least be playing chess? Like right now, I don't even

1938
01:29:49,554 --> 01:29:50,474
Speaker 7: even know if we're playing checks.

1939
01:29:50,874 --> 01:29:54,834
Speaker 9: And you know, Bill learned from good coaches too, and

1940
01:29:54,914 --> 01:29:57,754
Speaker 9: you know, your guy, Bill Parcells. One of the things

1941
01:29:57,754 --> 01:30:00,914
Speaker 9: that he would always say, and particularly about defensive players,

1942
01:30:00,994 --> 01:30:03,354
Speaker 9: is you know, you got to know who you are.

1943
01:30:04,194 --> 01:30:08,954
Speaker 9: And you know, Bill Belichick was the same way about

1944
01:30:09,034 --> 01:30:11,634
Speaker 9: how we used players. You know, he didn't try to

1945
01:30:12,514 --> 01:30:15,354
Speaker 9: ask players to do things that were beyond their skill set.

1946
01:30:15,674 --> 01:30:17,834
Speaker 9: And at the same time, a lot of players didn't

1947
01:30:17,914 --> 01:30:20,794
Speaker 9: like it because they thought they were better than what

1948
01:30:20,874 --> 01:30:24,194
Speaker 9: they were being asked to do. But Bill had the

1949
01:30:24,194 --> 01:30:27,954
Speaker 9: credibility to keep them at Bay, you know. So it's

1950
01:30:27,994 --> 01:30:31,154
Speaker 9: it's a fine line, but you know, there's no one

1951
01:30:31,194 --> 01:30:34,514
Speaker 9: better at it than Belichick, and you couldn't expect it

1952
01:30:34,714 --> 01:30:37,314
Speaker 9: there not to be a drop off. Alexander and Brazil

1953
01:30:37,354 --> 01:30:37,794
Speaker 9: writes in.

1954
01:30:37,794 --> 01:30:40,434
Speaker 7: Ducy's got a point, Oh go ahead, I don't know.

1955
01:30:41,474 --> 01:30:45,834
Speaker 8: I'm sharing just two two thoughts. I mean, I just

1956
01:30:45,874 --> 01:30:48,074
Speaker 8: what does the defensive coaching staff look like next year?

1957
01:30:48,074 --> 01:30:50,394
Speaker 8: And did the Belichick guys stick around? Because I think

1958
01:30:50,434 --> 01:30:53,474
Speaker 8: those guys are a key piece if you're trying to

1959
01:30:53,594 --> 01:30:55,954
Speaker 8: do this system. Like it's nice to know that Brian

1960
01:30:55,994 --> 01:30:58,914
Speaker 8: Belichick and Mike pel Agrino, who understand what they do

1961
01:30:58,954 --> 01:31:02,034
Speaker 8: in the secondary and especially with the safeties, Uh, you know,

1962
01:31:02,074 --> 01:31:04,034
Speaker 8: they understand it. They can teach it and not just

1963
01:31:04,074 --> 01:31:06,274
Speaker 8: put it all on comington. I'd also just say, is

1964
01:31:06,274 --> 01:31:08,794
Speaker 8: this gonna be we need to play faster, We're gonna

1965
01:31:08,834 --> 01:31:10,634
Speaker 8: simplify the scheme. It's gonna be kind of what they

1966
01:31:10,754 --> 01:31:12,634
Speaker 8: try to tell us on offense a couple of years ago,

1967
01:31:12,674 --> 01:31:15,354
Speaker 8: where we're trying to be too cute, we're trying to

1968
01:31:15,394 --> 01:31:18,714
Speaker 8: be too deceptive. Like let's just go to a defense

1969
01:31:18,794 --> 01:31:20,874
Speaker 8: that knows what they're doing. They're gonna play fast, we're

1970
01:31:20,874 --> 01:31:23,434
Speaker 8: gonna play like two different personnel groups, and we're gonna

1971
01:31:23,434 --> 01:31:25,994
Speaker 8: stop trying to like, look Kyle Ugers here, Oh no,

1972
01:31:26,074 --> 01:31:28,234
Speaker 8: he's back there, Like, aren't you confused? Like, no one

1973
01:31:28,314 --> 01:31:31,674
Speaker 8: is confused anymore. Like, however, whatever they're doing, it's not

1974
01:31:31,714 --> 01:31:33,274
Speaker 8: posing any kind of a problem for any.

1975
01:31:33,114 --> 01:31:36,474
Speaker 9: Of these teams. Alexander Brazil says, I don't get to

1976
01:31:36,514 --> 01:31:39,314
Speaker 9: hold the defense is playing badly because of the coaches.

1977
01:31:39,754 --> 01:31:41,954
Speaker 9: I'm sure the coaching has something to do with it,

1978
01:31:42,354 --> 01:31:44,674
Speaker 9: but I would assume these guys played since they were ten,

1979
01:31:45,154 --> 01:31:48,234
Speaker 9: for decades. They've been taught how to tackle the best angles,

1980
01:31:48,314 --> 01:31:50,674
Speaker 9: when to go high, when to go low. All of

1981
01:31:50,714 --> 01:31:53,394
Speaker 9: a sudden boom, they don't have any idea on how

1982
01:31:53,434 --> 01:31:56,074
Speaker 9: to bring a running back down. For me, it has

1983
01:31:56,154 --> 01:31:58,954
Speaker 9: way more to do with talent and the roster than

1984
01:31:58,994 --> 01:32:02,394
Speaker 9: the coaches. Gonza was a good example. He's being trained

1985
01:32:02,394 --> 01:32:04,794
Speaker 9: by the same group of coaches as everyone else, and

1986
01:32:04,834 --> 01:32:07,634
Speaker 9: all he does is improve and play well. The same

1987
01:32:07,634 --> 01:32:10,554
Speaker 9: with avp Oh the calls on third and fourth downs

1988
01:32:10,554 --> 01:32:12,794
Speaker 9: were awful. Why not give it to May? I mean,

1989
01:32:12,834 --> 01:32:16,034
Speaker 9: it's not Avp's fault. If the line whiffs all around

1990
01:32:16,034 --> 01:32:18,914
Speaker 9: the field, they needed less than a yard. They ran

1991
01:32:18,994 --> 01:32:22,394
Speaker 9: straight down the middle two consecutive times. Any NFL team

1992
01:32:22,434 --> 01:32:24,554
Speaker 9: should be able to get it, and I think they

1993
01:32:24,554 --> 01:32:26,274
Speaker 9: got it on the third down. By the way, a

1994
01:32:26,354 --> 01:32:29,594
Speaker 9: QB sneak could have worked, but they would not if

1995
01:32:29,634 --> 01:32:32,074
Speaker 9: they didn't block. It wouldn't have worked if they blocked

1996
01:32:32,114 --> 01:32:35,474
Speaker 9: the same way. It is simplistic to think this would

1997
01:32:35,474 --> 01:32:38,114
Speaker 9: be so much better when Bill went. In fact, the

1998
01:32:38,194 --> 01:32:41,474
Speaker 9: offense was bad the last three years and committed lots

1999
01:32:41,474 --> 01:32:44,874
Speaker 9: of dumb penalties. The defense was average at best, as

2000
01:32:44,874 --> 01:32:48,754
Speaker 9: pressuring quarterbacks and finishing games, especially against good teams, was

2001
01:32:48,794 --> 01:32:52,234
Speaker 9: also a problem. This is a bad roster that was

2002
01:32:52,274 --> 01:32:55,514
Speaker 9: four and thirteen last year and that probably will be

2003
01:32:55,554 --> 01:32:57,994
Speaker 9: three and fourteen this year. Wolf is the man of

2004
01:32:58,034 --> 01:33:00,634
Speaker 9: the hour as the teams need lot The team needs

2005
01:33:00,714 --> 01:33:04,034
Speaker 9: lots of pieces and not just bodies, they need standout

2006
01:33:04,034 --> 01:33:07,114
Speaker 9: talent and players. It's not a bad point, no, I mean.

2007
01:33:07,034 --> 01:33:08,794
Speaker 7: I think we all are aware that the talent on

2008
01:33:08,834 --> 01:33:09,634
Speaker 7: the roster.

2009
01:33:09,474 --> 01:33:11,073
Speaker 5: Is the biggest problem.

2010
01:33:11,274 --> 01:33:14,194
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I also just think that more can be

2011
01:33:14,234 --> 01:33:14,994
Speaker 7: done to help.

2012
01:33:15,074 --> 01:33:17,154
Speaker 8: And we've seen some of these guys play better than this.

2013
01:33:17,234 --> 01:33:18,073
Speaker 8: We know they're capable.

2014
01:33:18,394 --> 01:33:20,474
Speaker 5: No one said this is all the defense is not

2015
01:33:20,554 --> 01:33:23,154
Speaker 5: playing well all because of coaching. We just felt like

2016
01:33:23,234 --> 01:33:26,594
Speaker 5: they were going to miss Belichick as a coach. And

2017
01:33:26,914 --> 01:33:28,954
Speaker 5: the same players are the ones that played last year

2018
01:33:28,994 --> 01:33:29,874
Speaker 5: and played better than this.

2019
01:33:30,754 --> 01:33:33,594
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the whole thing about like running may in

2020
01:33:33,954 --> 01:33:38,474
Speaker 7: these situations, like you know, Paul is talking about how

2021
01:33:38,554 --> 01:33:41,514
Speaker 7: guys just whiffed on blocks, but like if you are

2022
01:33:41,594 --> 01:33:44,594
Speaker 7: purposely leaving a guy un blocked for him to read

2023
01:33:45,034 --> 01:33:48,554
Speaker 7: that player and that player becomes the responsibility of the quarterback.

2024
01:33:48,634 --> 01:33:50,114
Speaker 5: Right, Well, now that's all different.

2025
01:33:50,274 --> 01:33:55,514
Speaker 7: Now the left guard and the left tackle are doubling,

2026
01:33:56,234 --> 01:33:58,474
Speaker 7: or at least he's doubled it, or at least he's

2027
01:33:58,474 --> 01:34:00,994
Speaker 7: doubling the guy with Leyden Robinson. So you have two

2028
01:34:00,994 --> 01:34:03,474
Speaker 7: bodies in the way instead of just one like, these

2029
01:34:03,514 --> 01:34:06,474
Speaker 7: are the things that in order to like get numbers

2030
01:34:06,514 --> 01:34:10,594
Speaker 7: advantages into put defenses in stressful positions like this is

2031
01:34:10,634 --> 01:34:13,194
Speaker 7: what the good teams do to make those things happen.

2032
01:34:13,314 --> 01:34:16,034
Speaker 7: This is what the Bills do to make those things happen.

2033
01:34:16,034 --> 01:34:18,634
Speaker 7: And and they don't do that kind of stuff. So yeah,

2034
01:34:18,634 --> 01:34:20,594
Speaker 7: when you line up across from the team and you

2035
01:34:20,674 --> 01:34:23,514
Speaker 7: just run the ball traditionally and somebody misses the block,

2036
01:34:23,634 --> 01:34:25,034
Speaker 7: you're not going to get the first down.

2037
01:34:25,594 --> 01:34:28,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the only point that I was making. Absolutely,

2038
01:34:28,394 --> 01:34:31,394
Speaker 5: you have plays like that that you know backside end

2039
01:34:31,474 --> 01:34:34,954
Speaker 5: on you want him to get sucked in so you

2040
01:34:34,994 --> 01:34:37,194
Speaker 5: can you can catch them, and things like that. There

2041
01:34:37,194 --> 01:34:41,394
Speaker 5: are times you absolutely leave guys unblocked and in passing situations.

2042
01:34:41,834 --> 01:34:44,194
Speaker 5: Who was better than Brady at that. I know that

2043
01:34:44,354 --> 01:34:45,994
Speaker 5: Ed Reid's coming off now, I'm just gonna wait for

2044
01:34:46,074 --> 01:34:47,714
Speaker 5: him to come and jump, and I'm gonna throw it

2045
01:34:47,754 --> 01:34:50,994
Speaker 5: over his head because the quarterbacks responsible for that guy.

2046
01:34:51,234 --> 01:34:54,754
Speaker 9: Yep Nick and Connecticut writes in Fred always says he

2047
01:34:54,794 --> 01:34:56,714
Speaker 9: loves caller on call a crime, So I figured I'd

2048
01:34:56,794 --> 01:34:59,274
Speaker 9: chime in with my most hated caller. You've had a

2049
01:34:59,274 --> 01:35:02,034
Speaker 9: few email saying they hate Christ with a ti n. However,

2050
01:35:02,034 --> 01:35:05,074
Speaker 9: they are hating the wrong Christian. Christian from La is

2051
01:35:05,114 --> 01:35:08,194
Speaker 9: by far the worst caller. He's a window licking buffoon.

2052
01:35:08,554 --> 01:35:11,154
Speaker 9: He calls in and pretends to articulate an obvious point

2053
01:35:11,154 --> 01:35:13,594
Speaker 9: from the previous week's game in a creative way. Then

2054
01:35:13,634 --> 01:35:16,594
Speaker 9: he ends every call with a question or hypothetical like,

2055
01:35:16,794 --> 01:35:19,154
Speaker 9: would you guys trade a seventh rounder for T Higgins

2056
01:35:19,194 --> 01:35:21,194
Speaker 9: if he signs for one million a year? I'll hang

2057
01:35:21,274 --> 01:35:23,994
Speaker 9: up and listen. Paul is my favorite because he doesn't

2058
01:35:23,994 --> 01:35:26,514
Speaker 9: give the majority of his question as any time whatsoever.

2059
01:35:27,434 --> 01:35:28,034
Speaker 9: So there you go.

2060
01:35:28,114 --> 01:35:30,594
Speaker 5: I never realized that from from Christian.

2061
01:35:30,314 --> 01:35:32,754
Speaker 9: Little in l a caller on collar crime.

2062
01:35:33,434 --> 01:35:34,354
Speaker 5: Window is that a thing?

2063
01:35:34,394 --> 01:35:35,994
Speaker 9: A window window licking buffoon?

2064
01:35:36,154 --> 01:35:38,274
Speaker 5: Is that a thing? No, I've never heard, not like

2065
01:35:38,354 --> 01:35:39,274
Speaker 5: mouth breather or.

2066
01:35:40,954 --> 01:35:44,714
Speaker 9: Along the same. You know, Yeah, I used to when

2067
01:35:44,714 --> 01:35:46,594
Speaker 9: you were when you were little and you were on

2068
01:35:46,634 --> 01:35:48,594
Speaker 9: the bus going to school it was cold out, did

2069
01:35:48,634 --> 01:35:51,274
Speaker 9: you used to breathe on the window and drawing?

2070
01:35:51,394 --> 01:35:52,314
Speaker 7: I see what you're saying.

2071
01:35:52,514 --> 01:35:55,554
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I actually never took the bus to school.

2072
01:35:55,874 --> 01:35:59,954
Speaker 9: Oh you were. I was a walker, hoy toyy was driven.

2073
01:35:59,954 --> 01:36:00,714
Speaker 9: You didn't have a driver.

2074
01:36:00,914 --> 01:36:00,954
Speaker 11: No.

2075
01:36:02,794 --> 01:36:05,074
Speaker 2: I had the majority of the audience thinking that you

2076
01:36:05,074 --> 01:36:06,794
Speaker 2: were about to say you licked the windows.

2077
01:36:07,194 --> 01:36:07,394
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2078
01:36:07,394 --> 01:36:09,114
Speaker 9: I didn't lick the windows, but you would breathe on

2079
01:36:09,154 --> 01:36:10,154
Speaker 9: them and then draw on them.

2080
01:36:10,314 --> 01:36:10,514
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2081
01:36:10,634 --> 01:36:15,434
Speaker 9: Right, let's go to the back to the TPX outline.

2082
01:36:15,954 --> 01:36:18,754
Speaker 9: Kevin is in South Carolina. What's up Kevin?

2083
01:36:20,194 --> 01:36:24,354
Speaker 26: Hey, boys, greeting from a lovely day on coastal South Carolina.

2084
01:36:24,714 --> 01:36:26,754
Speaker 26: Good for you, windows like it's going out of style.

2085
01:36:28,034 --> 01:36:29,914
Speaker 5: Great, it is like sixty here.

2086
01:36:30,474 --> 01:36:32,234
Speaker 9: Did you just call to give us a weather reporter?

2087
01:36:32,274 --> 01:36:32,914
Speaker 9: You got a question?

2088
01:36:34,114 --> 01:36:36,194
Speaker 26: Boys, I grew up in Boston, where it gets colder

2089
01:36:36,194 --> 01:36:38,434
Speaker 26: than sixty. I just wanted to share that I love

2090
01:36:38,474 --> 01:36:41,114
Speaker 26: way Bob. He had a great swing, but after he

2091
01:36:41,234 --> 01:36:45,113
Speaker 26: ate too much chicken, I fell out of love with him.

2092
01:36:45,274 --> 01:36:49,634
Speaker 26: I think Chibriel Peppers is toxic the Patriots brand. My

2093
01:36:49,794 --> 01:36:52,474
Speaker 26: question is why is he on the roster? Is it

2094
01:36:52,554 --> 01:36:54,914
Speaker 26: money or power? And who is responsible?

2095
01:36:55,994 --> 01:37:00,874
Speaker 9: Okay, he thinks he's toxic. Why is he on the roster?

2096
01:37:02,594 --> 01:37:07,074
Speaker 9: I don't know, And obviously he's off field incident right now. Yeah,

2097
01:37:07,114 --> 01:37:08,034
Speaker 9: we don't have any.

2098
01:37:08,074 --> 01:37:10,114
Speaker 5: I don't have the information to say whether or not

2099
01:37:10,114 --> 01:37:11,714
Speaker 5: he should be on the roster, but I think it's

2100
01:37:11,714 --> 01:37:13,434
Speaker 5: a fair fair question to ask.

2101
01:37:13,754 --> 01:37:17,634
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's kind of in legal limbo right

2102
01:37:17,674 --> 01:37:19,474
Speaker 8: now and it's a hard spot.

2103
01:37:20,314 --> 01:37:22,754
Speaker 9: But other than that, like take away that is he

2104
01:37:22,954 --> 01:37:26,594
Speaker 9: a bad like up to that point he was looked

2105
01:37:26,634 --> 01:37:27,394
Speaker 9: at as an asset.

2106
01:37:27,434 --> 01:37:29,594
Speaker 8: You were like, yeah, I know, and I still don't think.

2107
01:37:29,674 --> 01:37:31,674
Speaker 8: I mean, I look, I can't speak after the incident

2108
01:37:31,674 --> 01:37:33,034
Speaker 8: and all that, Like I'm you know, a little bit

2109
01:37:33,074 --> 01:37:35,354
Speaker 8: off the Peppers train of it all, But I would say,

2110
01:37:35,554 --> 01:37:37,514
Speaker 8: you know, generally speaking going back to the summer, like

2111
01:37:37,554 --> 01:37:39,394
Speaker 8: I always that's one of my favorite things about him

2112
01:37:39,434 --> 01:37:41,194
Speaker 8: was just the energy and the passion on the football

2113
01:37:41,194 --> 01:37:43,434
Speaker 8: field that he brought. Look at his mic up against

2114
01:37:43,434 --> 01:37:45,554
Speaker 8: the Eagles, Like, I mean, I think that's something that's

2115
01:37:45,634 --> 01:37:47,354
Speaker 8: lacking on this team right now, and it doesn't even

2116
01:37:47,354 --> 01:37:50,114
Speaker 8: seem like he's really bringing in anymore. So, I mean,

2117
01:37:50,154 --> 01:37:51,994
Speaker 8: I guess in that way, I agree with some of

2118
01:37:51,994 --> 01:37:54,874
Speaker 8: the sentiment that they're lacking that still, But I just

2119
01:37:55,314 --> 01:37:57,994
Speaker 8: I remember in O nine that way that season ended

2120
01:37:57,994 --> 01:38:00,154
Speaker 8: getting run off the field out there by the Ravens,

2121
01:38:00,154 --> 01:38:02,474
Speaker 8: and then they drafted Gronk and we've talked a lot

2122
01:38:02,514 --> 01:38:04,754
Speaker 8: about just that, like whole thing he did on the stage,

2123
01:38:04,794 --> 01:38:06,994
Speaker 8: and like that's I feel like what this team's going

2124
01:38:07,074 --> 01:38:08,834
Speaker 8: to need this offseason is just a little bit of

2125
01:38:08,874 --> 01:38:12,994
Speaker 8: an influx of like life and personality. Guys really want

2126
01:38:12,994 --> 01:38:15,154
Speaker 8: to play and you know, and we're I mean, obviously

2127
01:38:15,154 --> 01:38:17,314
Speaker 8: the talent part of it goes without saying, but you know,

2128
01:38:17,354 --> 01:38:19,434
Speaker 8: that's it just I mean, and of course we're getting

2129
01:38:19,474 --> 01:38:21,034
Speaker 8: the end of a season here where they've won three games,

2130
01:38:21,074 --> 01:38:23,314
Speaker 8: and so you understand that they're not bringing that kind

2131
01:38:23,314 --> 01:38:25,754
Speaker 8: of passion every week anyway, But I still just think

2132
01:38:25,794 --> 01:38:28,874
Speaker 8: that they need they need a dose of like leadership

2133
01:38:28,914 --> 01:38:31,954
Speaker 8: and energy, and especially on the defensive side of the ball,

2134
01:38:31,994 --> 01:38:33,514
Speaker 8: guys who are going to hold the rest of the

2135
01:38:33,554 --> 01:38:36,274
Speaker 8: team accountable to a level where it doesn't look exactly

2136
01:38:36,314 --> 01:38:38,554
Speaker 8: the same every single week where you just get run

2137
01:38:38,594 --> 01:38:41,034
Speaker 8: over and it's mistackles and we're step late and coverage

2138
01:38:41,114 --> 01:38:43,354
Speaker 8: and everybody's watching Christian Zalez do a great job, but

2139
01:38:43,394 --> 01:38:45,954
Speaker 8: otherwise it's it's a disaster like that. It's just they

2140
01:38:45,994 --> 01:38:48,394
Speaker 8: need to turn that around somehow, whether it's with the

2141
01:38:48,554 --> 01:38:51,194
Speaker 8: defensive coordinator, whether it's trying to find someone like a

2142
01:38:51,274 --> 01:38:53,234
Speaker 8: Willie Mack who you know is going to come in

2143
01:38:53,274 --> 01:38:55,994
Speaker 8: and embody the personality the defense and really just give

2144
01:38:56,034 --> 01:38:58,514
Speaker 8: them an identity. But right now, the only identity is

2145
01:38:58,514 --> 01:39:00,554
Speaker 8: they're one of the worst defenses in the league. And

2146
01:39:00,554 --> 01:39:01,474
Speaker 8: that's pretty much it.

2147
01:39:01,594 --> 01:39:04,634
Speaker 5: You can tell how much it's hurting him, like, because

2148
01:39:04,634 --> 01:39:06,754
Speaker 5: that was that was a double whammy. He had to

2149
01:39:06,754 --> 01:39:10,074
Speaker 5: be critical of the defense and wondering where Peppers is.

2150
01:39:11,034 --> 01:39:12,554
Speaker 5: That's that's that's a tough one.

2151
01:39:12,394 --> 01:39:15,634
Speaker 7: For I feel like Barmore and Peppers and I'm not

2152
01:39:15,874 --> 01:39:18,834
Speaker 7: blaming Barmore at all, obviously with the medical condition, but

2153
01:39:19,154 --> 01:39:21,594
Speaker 7: like those guys are out there right now, but like

2154
01:39:22,194 --> 01:39:25,194
Speaker 7: the old Christian Barmore and Jabriel Peppers is not playing.

2155
01:39:25,274 --> 01:39:28,274
Speaker 5: So you didn't see much from Barmore on Sunday. So

2156
01:39:28,474 --> 01:39:30,754
Speaker 5: I had made the comment after the game, you know,

2157
01:39:30,874 --> 01:39:32,554
Speaker 5: I was talking to Matt a little bit and I

2158
01:39:32,594 --> 01:39:34,994
Speaker 5: was like, you know, at least in the other games

2159
01:39:35,034 --> 01:39:36,994
Speaker 5: I noticed a player too. I was like, oh, there's

2160
01:39:36,994 --> 01:39:40,354
Speaker 5: Barbour's you know, pushed the pockety bit. I did not

2161
01:39:40,354 --> 01:39:42,114
Speaker 5: notice Barbo once in this game, and I think he

2162
01:39:42,154 --> 01:39:44,834
Speaker 5: played the most snaps that he's played so far. And

2163
01:39:44,874 --> 01:39:48,994
Speaker 5: then someone said, Matt told me that he saw a

2164
01:39:49,034 --> 01:39:52,074
Speaker 5: tweet he couldn't remember who tweeted it that it was

2165
01:39:52,234 --> 01:39:57,034
Speaker 5: the old Barmore finally reappeared on Sunday, and I was like,

2166
01:39:57,554 --> 01:39:59,994
Speaker 5: really blown away. I was like, there's times that listen

2167
01:40:00,034 --> 01:40:02,634
Speaker 5: to the line play I miss it. I'm not gonna lie,

2168
01:40:03,234 --> 01:40:05,954
Speaker 5: but I did not notice ninety once.

2169
01:40:06,474 --> 01:40:08,554
Speaker 8: Him out yet, so not officially enough.

2170
01:40:08,634 --> 01:40:12,034
Speaker 7: So he in his defense, because you have to be fair,

2171
01:40:12,234 --> 01:40:17,314
Speaker 7: totally has the defense aside. They also tried to do

2172
01:40:17,354 --> 01:40:20,514
Speaker 7: the old Star Wars trash compactor with Kyler in this game,

2173
01:40:20,794 --> 01:40:23,794
Speaker 7: so they weren't actually like pinning their ears back to

2174
01:40:23,874 --> 01:40:27,314
Speaker 7: rush the quarterback. They were trying to contain the quarterback

2175
01:40:27,354 --> 01:40:29,194
Speaker 7: for the most part with the pass, which was I

2176
01:40:29,234 --> 01:40:31,594
Speaker 7: actually thought they did a decent job. Probably one of

2177
01:40:31,634 --> 01:40:33,914
Speaker 7: the only things they did well in this game was

2178
01:40:33,954 --> 01:40:37,274
Speaker 7: like Kyler's legs didn't really kill them too much, but

2179
01:40:38,034 --> 01:40:43,274
Speaker 7: he had sixteen one on ones zero quarterback pressures. Wow,

2180
01:40:43,714 --> 01:40:45,234
Speaker 7: didn't register on the statcheet.

2181
01:40:45,354 --> 01:40:47,634
Speaker 9: So now it might be just me kind of projecting,

2182
01:40:48,114 --> 01:40:50,274
Speaker 9: but it does look to me like his legs are

2183
01:40:50,954 --> 01:40:53,674
Speaker 9: thinner than at the beginning of the season.

2184
01:40:53,754 --> 01:40:57,434
Speaker 7: Yeah, he just doesn't have the power, that power that

2185
01:40:57,554 --> 01:41:00,114
Speaker 7: get off and that power like he's just not there

2186
01:41:00,194 --> 01:41:03,834
Speaker 7: right now for him, and so he's just not not

2187
01:41:03,874 --> 01:41:04,394
Speaker 7: the same guy.

2188
01:41:04,514 --> 01:41:06,474
Speaker 9: Even you look at his pants. They they they're a

2189
01:41:06,514 --> 01:41:09,154
Speaker 9: little bit. They don't do it. Yeah, they don't. I'm

2190
01:41:09,354 --> 01:41:12,594
Speaker 9: and it just could be me, but it seems that way. Yeah.

2191
01:41:12,634 --> 01:41:15,194
Speaker 9: I think I just is gonna need an offseason to

2192
01:41:15,234 --> 01:41:15,794
Speaker 9: get back.

2193
01:41:16,474 --> 01:41:19,554
Speaker 5: And the games that he's played, I've noticed him, you know,

2194
01:41:19,834 --> 01:41:22,754
Speaker 5: individual play here or there. I didn't really remember any

2195
01:41:22,874 --> 01:41:24,274
Speaker 5: individual play in this game.

2196
01:41:24,714 --> 01:41:28,034
Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree, And I watched him a couple and

2197
01:41:28,074 --> 01:41:32,113
Speaker 9: I said that with all due respect. Eldred's in North Carolina.

2198
01:41:32,154 --> 01:41:34,354
Speaker 9: We're big in the Carolinas today. What's up, Eldred?

2199
01:41:35,354 --> 01:41:37,034
Speaker 11: Hey, fellas, how y'all doing all right?

2200
01:41:39,674 --> 01:41:44,274
Speaker 25: I'm a little upset, but like everybody else, and I

2201
01:41:44,314 --> 01:41:46,914
Speaker 25: think it's the line why they want run made that much,

2202
01:41:47,474 --> 01:41:54,114
Speaker 25: and it's those wide receivers, and I'm just not everybody else.

2203
01:41:54,114 --> 01:41:57,194
Speaker 25: I'm just shocked. Ain't got nothing to say. I'm getting

2204
01:41:57,194 --> 01:41:59,474
Speaker 25: tired of getting a finger pointed, but I get there,

2205
01:41:59,514 --> 01:42:03,314
Speaker 25: what you get from winning for twenty five years. Yeah,

2206
01:42:03,434 --> 01:42:06,834
Speaker 25: But the question is Travis or Hunter is a better

2207
01:42:06,834 --> 01:42:09,714
Speaker 25: wide receiver. I was trying there.

2208
01:42:09,794 --> 01:42:10,874
Speaker 9: He's a good corner.

2209
01:42:10,554 --> 01:42:14,794
Speaker 25: Too, but that'd be my pick. I like, well, I

2210
01:42:14,914 --> 01:42:17,634
Speaker 25: like a t MAC too, but I like that speedwar

2211
01:42:17,794 --> 01:42:18,914
Speaker 25: that Hunter brings.

2212
01:42:19,234 --> 01:42:22,994
Speaker 9: So you're you're a resident wide receiver whisperers, So you

2213
01:42:23,034 --> 01:42:25,994
Speaker 9: really think Travis Hunter can be in a wide receiver

2214
01:42:26,074 --> 01:42:26,674
Speaker 9: in the NFL.

2215
01:42:28,114 --> 01:42:28,954
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think he can.

2216
01:42:30,234 --> 01:42:30,794
Speaker 11: Think he can't.

2217
01:42:31,994 --> 01:42:33,274
Speaker 9: Eldred has spoken like.

2218
01:42:34,434 --> 01:42:37,394
Speaker 25: Yeah, I like million size, but you don't have to speed.

2219
01:42:37,434 --> 01:42:40,234
Speaker 25: But he's a good receiver too, But I will take

2220
01:42:40,474 --> 01:42:43,074
Speaker 25: because like the speed. I'm like, what like almost the

2221
01:42:43,114 --> 01:42:43,794
Speaker 25: speed out there?

2222
01:42:44,674 --> 01:42:47,154
Speaker 9: What does he run? Travis Hunter in a forty.

2223
01:42:47,074 --> 01:42:50,634
Speaker 5: I don't know, hasn't run yet, but three seven three seven.

2224
01:42:52,914 --> 01:42:55,434
Speaker 25: Four three four four four three and four.

2225
01:42:55,314 --> 01:42:58,474
Speaker 7: Four, he's definitely gonna He's definitely gonna run.

2226
01:42:59,834 --> 01:43:00,554
Speaker 4: Four point two.

2227
01:43:00,954 --> 01:43:03,274
Speaker 9: Wow, point two point two. Let's get him check.

2228
01:43:03,394 --> 01:43:06,274
Speaker 5: We'll see what he does in the comments. He's an elite.

2229
01:43:06,114 --> 01:43:07,354
Speaker 9: Thanks Eldred athlete.

2230
01:43:07,434 --> 01:43:10,074
Speaker 7: I know, absolutely shocked if he runs at the combine.

2231
01:43:10,754 --> 01:43:12,274
Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna. I think he's pulling a

2232
01:43:12,314 --> 01:43:14,954
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior. I don't think he's doing anything.

2233
01:43:14,714 --> 01:43:15,874
Speaker 5: Not even the pro day huh.

2234
01:43:16,194 --> 01:43:18,274
Speaker 7: And I don't blame him, like why it won the

2235
01:43:18,314 --> 01:43:18,994
Speaker 7: Heisman Trophy.

2236
01:43:19,234 --> 01:43:21,514
Speaker 8: So how much is this gonna be though, that Deon

2237
01:43:21,554 --> 01:43:24,354
Speaker 8: Sanders circus with these two guys all spring like, is

2238
01:43:24,394 --> 01:43:26,794
Speaker 8: he is this Deans?

2239
01:43:27,114 --> 01:43:27,874
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the thing.

2240
01:43:28,114 --> 01:43:31,874
Speaker 7: A little bit less than than Son. Yeah, so I'm

2241
01:43:31,914 --> 01:43:34,354
Speaker 7: not I'm not like as worried about it with Travis Hunter.

2242
01:43:36,714 --> 01:43:38,474
Speaker 7: But that's why I think he's gonna play receiver.

2243
01:43:38,594 --> 01:43:40,914
Speaker 5: You think it was a bit troubling that Shador Sanders

2244
01:43:40,954 --> 01:43:43,474
Speaker 5: was on the stage for him at the Heisman, I mean, like,

2245
01:43:43,514 --> 01:43:44,234
Speaker 5: what are we doing?

2246
01:43:44,714 --> 01:43:45,074
Speaker 26: I don't know.

2247
01:43:45,154 --> 01:43:47,674
Speaker 8: That's yeah, we'll see.

2248
01:43:48,114 --> 01:43:52,874
Speaker 5: I I mean it's enough that there's a lot of

2249
01:43:52,954 --> 01:43:58,594
Speaker 5: question marks about cam Wood and Sanders as quarterbacks, but

2250
01:43:58,674 --> 01:44:00,714
Speaker 5: now you're going to take a question mark who's not

2251
01:44:00,954 --> 01:44:04,194
Speaker 5: necessarily considered to be the number one overall pick worthy

2252
01:44:04,234 --> 01:44:07,914
Speaker 5: player in most years, and the potential that he comes

2253
01:44:07,954 --> 01:44:11,154
Speaker 5: with him, that Dion comes with him and everything around Deon.

2254
01:44:11,234 --> 01:44:12,634
Speaker 5: I don't mean physically him, you know what I.

2255
01:44:12,674 --> 01:44:16,514
Speaker 9: Mean, not that I think sad is that a great quarterback?

2256
01:44:16,714 --> 01:44:19,954
Speaker 9: But I think if he drops, it's partly because of

2257
01:44:19,994 --> 01:44:22,514
Speaker 9: Deon Sanders. Like I don't, I don't want to deal

2258
01:44:22,554 --> 01:44:22,874
Speaker 9: with you.

2259
01:44:22,874 --> 01:44:24,634
Speaker 5: But I think if he's not that good, but if

2260
01:44:24,634 --> 01:44:27,834
Speaker 5: he yes, if he had the elite talent, it wouldn't

2261
01:44:27,994 --> 01:44:29,474
Speaker 5: have anything to do with it. But now I have

2262
01:44:29,594 --> 01:44:32,074
Speaker 5: questionable talent. And I don't mean questionable talent, like he's

2263
01:44:32,114 --> 01:44:34,514
Speaker 5: not anything, but he's not. I mean questionable NFL talent.

2264
01:44:34,554 --> 01:44:38,354
Speaker 5: He's a terrific another terrific athlete, but you know he's

2265
01:44:38,674 --> 01:44:41,474
Speaker 5: like another finger pointer, you know, throws his line under

2266
01:44:41,474 --> 01:44:43,674
Speaker 5: the thele. He spent the whole first year in Colorado

2267
01:44:43,714 --> 01:44:47,194
Speaker 5: making fun of the offensive line every game. It was terrible.

2268
01:44:47,514 --> 01:44:49,514
Speaker 5: It was terrible. You don't hear Drake May saying that.

2269
01:44:49,554 --> 01:44:52,034
Speaker 7: I know, but they didn't have a power for offensive line,

2270
01:44:52,074 --> 01:44:55,434
Speaker 7: like they had a Jackson State offensive line playing in

2271
01:44:55,434 --> 01:44:56,034
Speaker 7: a in a But.

2272
01:44:56,594 --> 01:44:58,514
Speaker 5: I think I should have I should have had eighty

2273
01:44:58,554 --> 01:45:00,314
Speaker 5: some odd guys come in the portal. I should have

2274
01:45:00,354 --> 01:45:00,914
Speaker 5: had five of them.

2275
01:45:02,354 --> 01:45:03,794
Speaker 7: I think Schudor is a little bit better than you

2276
01:45:03,794 --> 01:45:04,314
Speaker 7: guys are giving.

2277
01:45:04,434 --> 01:45:06,554
Speaker 5: I think he's good. I just I think there's questions

2278
01:45:06,554 --> 01:45:07,354
Speaker 5: about him, that's all.

2279
01:45:07,594 --> 01:45:11,994
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't he wouldn't be necessarily in like the

2280
01:45:12,114 --> 01:45:14,514
Speaker 7: Caleb Jade and Daniels Drake May tire.

2281
01:45:14,674 --> 01:45:16,114
Speaker 5: But would he be better than Pennix?

2282
01:45:16,194 --> 01:45:18,354
Speaker 7: I think he's right there with Pennix. And bow Knicks.

2283
01:45:20,314 --> 01:45:24,234
Speaker 9: Speaking of the portal the Holy Cross to North Carolina portal, Uh,

2284
01:45:24,714 --> 01:45:26,234
Speaker 9: pipeline start to top the.

2285
01:45:26,194 --> 01:45:30,234
Speaker 8: Talent, right, Yeah, championship. Amanda Belichick gave him some inside info.

2286
01:45:30,554 --> 01:45:32,914
Speaker 8: That's really good, Guard, but it's good to see we

2287
01:45:32,914 --> 01:45:35,034
Speaker 8: got to shut out the Holy Cross kid. Jalen Coker

2288
01:45:35,034 --> 01:45:37,634
Speaker 8: had a big touchdown last week for for Indy. He's

2289
01:45:37,674 --> 01:45:40,794
Speaker 8: a come on, sorry, Carolina, my bad. Okay, So yeah,

2290
01:45:40,834 --> 01:45:43,274
Speaker 8: we'll get some some success down there.

2291
01:45:43,754 --> 01:45:48,274
Speaker 9: Uh, Cedars another call for Carolina. Kendall is in North Carolina.

2292
01:45:48,314 --> 01:45:48,994
Speaker 9: What's up? Kendall?

2293
01:45:49,914 --> 01:45:51,994
Speaker 31: Hey, how you guys are doing good?

2294
01:45:52,074 --> 01:45:52,834
Speaker 9: Good? Good?

2295
01:45:53,714 --> 01:45:56,434
Speaker 31: One questions, but it it can be for all the y'all,

2296
01:45:57,634 --> 01:46:00,794
Speaker 31: which all, would would you be okay taking Travis Hunter

2297
01:46:00,834 --> 01:46:02,714
Speaker 31: at three if we don't make if we don't make

2298
01:46:02,754 --> 01:46:05,754
Speaker 31: another wide Receiver edition and all seem like a T Higgins?

2299
01:46:05,994 --> 01:46:08,154
Speaker 31: Or would you only want him if you already had

2300
01:46:08,154 --> 01:46:09,834
Speaker 31: the X and T Higgins or whatnot?

2301
01:46:11,354 --> 01:46:12,434
Speaker 11: And how would you use.

2302
01:46:12,274 --> 01:46:15,114
Speaker 31: Travis Hunter if we if we don't make another dish

2303
01:46:15,194 --> 01:46:15,834
Speaker 31: at wild Receiver?

2304
01:46:16,274 --> 01:46:20,914
Speaker 9: Gotcha? All right? Good question, thanks Kendall. Yeah, see, I'm

2305
01:46:20,954 --> 01:46:23,194
Speaker 9: assuming they're going to do both, but anyway, yeah, I think.

2306
01:46:23,034 --> 01:46:25,834
Speaker 7: That's the toughest part about the Travis Hunters cushion is

2307
01:46:25,914 --> 01:46:28,154
Speaker 7: just how do you use him and where does he

2308
01:46:28,234 --> 01:46:30,514
Speaker 7: play it? Just even if you pick a side of

2309
01:46:30,554 --> 01:46:33,434
Speaker 7: the ball with him, you know, at wide receiver. I

2310
01:46:33,434 --> 01:46:35,954
Speaker 7: I don't think he's like a prototypical X. I think

2311
01:46:35,994 --> 01:46:39,034
Speaker 7: he's better used off the line of scrimmage and moving

2312
01:46:39,074 --> 01:46:42,994
Speaker 7: him inside and outside. So you know, yeah, you'd probably

2313
01:46:43,034 --> 01:46:45,434
Speaker 7: have to have like a true X if you want

2314
01:46:45,434 --> 01:46:49,354
Speaker 7: to call it that to pair with him. But I'm

2315
01:46:49,394 --> 01:46:52,074
Speaker 7: not too worried about that. Like, I feel like he

2316
01:46:52,754 --> 01:46:55,514
Speaker 7: is going to be have that potential to be that

2317
01:46:55,594 --> 01:46:58,554
Speaker 7: like number one wide receiver, and whoever that X is

2318
01:46:58,754 --> 01:47:00,794
Speaker 7: like doesn't need to be the guy like it will.

2319
01:47:00,754 --> 01:47:02,314
Speaker 8: Just have some guy with some size on the outside

2320
01:47:02,314 --> 01:47:03,354
Speaker 8: you can run down the field.

2321
01:47:03,234 --> 01:47:05,594
Speaker 7: Yeah, like Hunters go and come back, So you know

2322
01:47:05,634 --> 01:47:06,434
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to.

2323
01:47:07,114 --> 01:47:07,514
Speaker 4: If you will.

2324
01:47:07,514 --> 01:47:09,514
Speaker 9: There you go? What was jojo?

2325
01:47:09,634 --> 01:47:10,474
Speaker 8: Jojo Jojo?

2326
01:47:11,514 --> 01:47:13,394
Speaker 7: I still signed to Higgins.

2327
01:47:14,954 --> 01:47:18,954
Speaker 9: Let's see Brandon and Hickory North carol I can't believe

2328
01:47:19,034 --> 01:47:22,114
Speaker 9: all the people in the Carolinas that are now Is

2329
01:47:22,154 --> 01:47:23,234
Speaker 9: it all because of Drake May?

2330
01:47:23,274 --> 01:47:24,394
Speaker 7: Do you think probably?

2331
01:47:24,554 --> 01:47:27,034
Speaker 5: Well, the Drake May haters are chiming back in.

2332
01:47:27,634 --> 01:47:30,794
Speaker 9: AVP has to go, in my opinion, I know it's

2333
01:47:30,794 --> 01:47:33,474
Speaker 9: not good to start over with Drake, but our receivers

2334
01:47:33,474 --> 01:47:36,154
Speaker 9: are not capable of getting open on their own, so

2335
01:47:36,194 --> 01:47:38,234
Speaker 9: you have to rely on being able to scheme your

2336
01:47:38,234 --> 01:47:41,634
Speaker 9: guys open, which AVP can't do. I know our receiving

2337
01:47:41,714 --> 01:47:44,634
Speaker 9: corps isn't good, but just watching the other teams, they

2338
01:47:44,634 --> 01:47:47,834
Speaker 9: seem still to be able to get guys open sometimes. Also,

2339
01:47:47,874 --> 01:47:50,914
Speaker 9: I feel like avp's offense is not using Drake's to

2340
01:47:51,074 --> 01:47:55,234
Speaker 9: his ability. I get trying to teach the young quarterback

2341
01:47:55,274 --> 01:47:57,594
Speaker 9: how to play from the pocket and go through his reads,

2342
01:47:57,834 --> 01:48:00,354
Speaker 9: but when you have a playmaker like May, you have

2343
01:48:00,394 --> 01:48:03,434
Speaker 9: to let him play football. Look at Josh Allen. If

2344
01:48:03,474 --> 01:48:06,274
Speaker 9: you ask Josh to just drop back and throw the ball,

2345
01:48:06,594 --> 01:48:08,354
Speaker 9: then I don't think Buffalo would be as good as

2346
01:48:08,394 --> 01:48:11,194
Speaker 9: they're playing right now, and Buffalo doesn't have a top

2347
01:48:11,314 --> 01:48:15,594
Speaker 9: ten receiving corps. I just feel like avp's offense doesn't

2348
01:48:15,634 --> 01:48:18,314
Speaker 9: get the most out of our QB in long term,

2349
01:48:18,354 --> 01:48:22,714
Speaker 9: it will hinder us. Well, we had that discussion earlier

2350
01:48:22,714 --> 01:48:23,274
Speaker 9: in the show.

2351
01:48:23,794 --> 01:48:26,154
Speaker 8: You know, I just want to the point of conversation

2352
01:48:26,194 --> 01:48:28,114
Speaker 8: with the people that you know, called in and would

2353
01:48:28,194 --> 01:48:31,994
Speaker 8: use switching offensive coordinators as a factor in breaking quarterbacks.

2354
01:48:31,994 --> 01:48:34,954
Speaker 8: And you know just how you feel about that now

2355
01:48:34,994 --> 01:48:36,954
Speaker 8: if you're advocating for that, are you you know, are

2356
01:48:36,954 --> 01:48:38,434
Speaker 8: you not worried about that anymore?

2357
01:48:39,994 --> 01:48:42,434
Speaker 7: That's why I think that is valid. Yeah, that's why

2358
01:48:42,434 --> 01:48:44,794
Speaker 7: I would be open to you. I said earlier in

2359
01:48:44,834 --> 01:48:47,634
Speaker 7: the show, like if I was Girawed Mayo, I'd be

2360
01:48:47,714 --> 01:48:51,234
Speaker 7: asking a VP to like after the season's over, like

2361
01:48:51,354 --> 01:48:54,954
Speaker 7: present me with like the Drake may package, like how

2362
01:48:54,954 --> 01:48:59,954
Speaker 7: are we going to incorporate this mobility into the offense

2363
01:49:00,154 --> 01:49:03,114
Speaker 7: next year? And like see if he can just do

2364
01:49:03,234 --> 01:49:06,434
Speaker 7: it like himself, maybe he goes to you know, coaching

2365
01:49:06,474 --> 01:49:09,274
Speaker 7: buddy or something and learns from that from them, how

2366
01:49:09,314 --> 01:49:10,954
Speaker 7: to you know, how they do it at the college

2367
01:49:11,034 --> 01:49:14,594
Speaker 7: level or something like that. Before I'm just like, you know,

2368
01:49:14,714 --> 01:49:17,914
Speaker 7: canning him and then really blowing out the entire offensive

2369
01:49:17,914 --> 01:49:18,874
Speaker 7: staff at that point.

2370
01:49:18,754 --> 01:49:20,474
Speaker 8: Yeah, what if they just said we're just gonna drop

2371
01:49:20,514 --> 01:49:22,834
Speaker 8: your pants size by one and then just see it

2372
01:49:22,914 --> 01:49:25,754
Speaker 8: get the pants a little tighter? Maybe that if you're not.

2373
01:49:28,274 --> 01:49:30,634
Speaker 7: With like, let's send him on a retreat with like

2374
01:49:30,714 --> 01:49:33,434
Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley and he's like what if we just make.

2375
01:49:34,434 --> 01:49:36,994
Speaker 8: It's gonna push the blood to the brain more creativity.

2376
01:49:37,074 --> 01:49:39,154
Speaker 5: And yeah, then you just I love the way that

2377
01:49:39,194 --> 01:49:41,434
Speaker 5: email started though, And I'm not I'm not picking on

2378
01:49:41,434 --> 01:49:43,474
Speaker 5: the email because I didn't think that really anything you

2379
01:49:43,514 --> 01:49:47,434
Speaker 5: said was wrong, But like it's time a VP's got

2380
01:49:47,434 --> 01:49:49,874
Speaker 5: to go. I know, I know we don't have any

2381
01:49:49,914 --> 01:49:54,194
Speaker 5: good wide receivers, but like you know, there's not a

2382
01:49:54,194 --> 01:49:56,194
Speaker 5: lot of examples of teams around the league that have

2383
01:49:56,274 --> 01:49:58,154
Speaker 5: no talent that are able to just scheme it up

2384
01:49:58,154 --> 01:49:58,674
Speaker 5: and be great.

2385
01:49:58,754 --> 01:50:01,434
Speaker 9: And that's the chicken egg quandary that we have right

2386
01:50:01,474 --> 01:50:02,914
Speaker 9: now coaching versus talent.

2387
01:50:03,154 --> 01:50:07,714
Speaker 7: But I just worry about like the offensive tree as

2388
01:50:07,714 --> 01:50:12,954
Speaker 7: a whole. Like Cleveland, Dallas, the Patriots, they're all running

2389
01:50:12,994 --> 01:50:17,194
Speaker 7: this McCarthy offense, and they all stink. So like whether

2390
01:50:17,274 --> 01:50:20,914
Speaker 7: it's you know, Drake May and the Patriots talent or

2391
01:50:20,954 --> 01:50:24,194
Speaker 7: it's the Cowboys talent and they have they have ceedee lamb.

2392
01:50:23,994 --> 01:50:26,794
Speaker 5: Like they have offense didn't stink last year.

2393
01:50:27,194 --> 01:50:31,554
Speaker 7: That's true, that's true, but it just in general, you know,

2394
01:50:31,594 --> 01:50:35,474
Speaker 7: this is this scheme too outdated.

2395
01:50:35,554 --> 01:50:37,914
Speaker 5: For I think that's a legit concern. But I also

2396
01:50:37,994 --> 01:50:40,234
Speaker 5: think that the point that Mike brought up about that

2397
01:50:40,394 --> 01:50:43,914
Speaker 5: kennundrum of is that the worst thing you can do

2398
01:50:44,074 --> 01:50:47,754
Speaker 5: to a young quarterback is constantly ask him to change coordinators.

2399
01:50:48,514 --> 01:50:48,794
Speaker 4: Yep.

2400
01:50:48,994 --> 01:50:53,114
Speaker 5: And I would argue that I would rather change coordinators

2401
01:50:53,114 --> 01:50:55,234
Speaker 5: than stick with a bad one for continuity's sake. And

2402
01:50:55,234 --> 01:50:57,354
Speaker 5: I'm not saying Alex van Pelt is bad. I'm saying

2403
01:50:57,394 --> 01:51:01,474
Speaker 5: in a vacuum philosophically, Yeah.

2404
01:51:00,554 --> 01:51:04,074
Speaker 7: I just worry about it about Drake in his confidence

2405
01:51:04,354 --> 01:51:06,994
Speaker 7: and like at some point he's going to have to

2406
01:51:07,034 --> 01:51:10,234
Speaker 7: see some shots go through, right, And like if you're

2407
01:51:11,114 --> 01:51:14,594
Speaker 7: because I'm with you that, like continuity is important and

2408
01:51:14,634 --> 01:51:17,434
Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff, but like so is actually

2409
01:51:17,434 --> 01:51:20,354
Speaker 7: like having some success, yeah, and not just having it

2410
01:51:20,394 --> 01:51:22,954
Speaker 7: in like flashes where like, oh, he made a great

2411
01:51:22,994 --> 01:51:24,674
Speaker 7: throw to Kendrick Bourne at the end of the game

2412
01:51:24,714 --> 01:51:25,194
Speaker 7: the other day.

2413
01:51:25,514 --> 01:51:27,754
Speaker 5: Like they ask success, right, they have to go out.

2414
01:51:27,634 --> 01:51:29,834
Speaker 7: There and like win a game where they score thirty

2415
01:51:29,874 --> 01:51:30,594
Speaker 7: points or something.

2416
01:51:30,674 --> 01:51:33,314
Speaker 9: I mean, we've talked about it before. We we we

2417
01:51:33,954 --> 01:51:36,594
Speaker 9: are just at a disadvantage because we don't really have

2418
01:51:36,674 --> 01:51:38,714
Speaker 9: all the facts. We know what we see, but we

2419
01:51:39,234 --> 01:51:41,674
Speaker 9: what are the root causes of these problems? Is it

2420
01:51:41,754 --> 01:51:44,914
Speaker 9: the coaching? Is it the talent. You know which is

2421
01:51:45,234 --> 01:51:47,634
Speaker 9: which is worse? And that's the one you have to

2422
01:51:47,674 --> 01:51:51,194
Speaker 9: address first, and we we can't really answer that because

2423
01:51:51,194 --> 01:51:54,154
Speaker 9: we don't have all the facts. Destiny from Maryland Rights.

2424
01:51:54,154 --> 01:51:56,594
Speaker 9: And have you guys seen the bill's new uniform that

2425
01:51:56,634 --> 01:52:00,274
Speaker 9: they're wearing on Sunday? I found it hilarious they're wearing

2426
01:52:00,354 --> 01:52:04,114
Speaker 9: red jerseys. Coworkers says the Patriots are not relevant enough

2427
01:52:04,114 --> 01:52:06,194
Speaker 9: for teams to want a troll. But I guess he

2428
01:52:06,234 --> 01:52:09,914
Speaker 9: doesn't understand division, rivalry, hatred even when you're down. You

2429
01:52:09,914 --> 01:52:12,234
Speaker 9: think that's why they're doing it to trol us. Now,

2430
01:52:12,234 --> 01:52:15,434
Speaker 9: I don't know the sea they do. They have read

2431
01:52:15,434 --> 01:52:16,154
Speaker 9: in their uniform.

2432
01:52:16,234 --> 01:52:18,114
Speaker 7: I honestly have to admit I think that they don't

2433
01:52:18,114 --> 01:52:20,274
Speaker 7: give two poops about you.

2434
01:52:20,074 --> 01:52:23,994
Speaker 5: I think that's closer to the truth than yep, yeah,

2435
01:52:24,194 --> 01:52:26,514
Speaker 5: any any of the other theories. But I don't I

2436
01:52:26,554 --> 01:52:28,034
Speaker 5: haven't seen the uniform, so I don't know.

2437
01:52:28,154 --> 01:52:28,994
Speaker 9: Is it the red?

2438
01:52:29,314 --> 01:52:31,594
Speaker 5: But is it patriot reminiscent?

2439
01:52:31,954 --> 01:52:34,714
Speaker 8: I didn't get it's solid red?

2440
01:52:34,754 --> 01:52:36,234
Speaker 5: But haven't they won that before?

2441
01:52:36,274 --> 01:52:39,114
Speaker 8: I thought so, But I don't know that's what they're saying.

2442
01:52:39,554 --> 01:52:42,834
Speaker 9: Uh, let's go back to the TPX headline. Eric's in LA.

2443
01:52:43,034 --> 01:52:43,754
Speaker 9: What's up, Eric?

2444
01:52:45,154 --> 01:52:46,594
Speaker 11: Hey, how's it going guys?

2445
01:52:46,994 --> 01:52:50,754
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, just look.

2446
01:52:50,634 --> 01:52:51,914
Speaker 11: At some draft talk here.

2447
01:52:51,994 --> 01:52:55,554
Speaker 10: So my fantasy at the end of the season, I

2448
01:52:55,714 --> 01:52:58,354
Speaker 10: just I'm tired of passing up on blue chip talent

2449
01:52:58,554 --> 01:53:00,834
Speaker 10: in the draft. We got enough of that will build,

2450
01:53:00,954 --> 01:53:03,914
Speaker 10: you know, trading down and whatnot. I just feel like

2451
01:53:03,954 --> 01:53:07,754
Speaker 10: we just just take Travis Hunter, signed t Higgins, and

2452
01:53:07,874 --> 01:53:08,634
Speaker 10: where about.

2453
01:53:08,354 --> 01:53:08,954
Speaker 11: The rest later.

2454
01:53:11,394 --> 01:53:14,434
Speaker 9: Okay, I have to get your opinion on that. I

2455
01:53:14,954 --> 01:53:15,874
Speaker 9: had nothing wrong with that.

2456
01:53:15,874 --> 01:53:17,754
Speaker 5: That's a good plan. Yeah, you know, get to try

2457
01:53:17,794 --> 01:53:19,394
Speaker 5: to get a tackle in the second round. You're going

2458
01:53:19,474 --> 01:53:20,754
Speaker 5: to be at the top of the second round. You

2459
01:53:20,794 --> 01:53:22,394
Speaker 5: might be able to get a tackle that can play.

2460
01:53:22,634 --> 01:53:23,754
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2461
01:53:23,074 --> 01:53:25,154
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's Travis Hunter going to be there.

2462
01:53:25,354 --> 01:53:26,994
Speaker 7: Three, I don't know.

2463
01:53:27,034 --> 01:53:27,954
Speaker 5: I'm skeptical.

2464
01:53:28,114 --> 01:53:28,314
Speaker 11: Question.

2465
01:53:28,594 --> 01:53:31,234
Speaker 7: I'm still skeptical of both quarterbacks.

2466
01:53:31,794 --> 01:53:32,034
Speaker 5: One.

2467
01:53:32,754 --> 01:53:32,954
Speaker 4: Two.

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01:53:33,034 --> 01:53:36,154
Speaker 7: I think Dion is gonna get Shador to Vegas. I

2469
01:53:36,234 --> 01:53:37,234
Speaker 7: think that's gonna happen.

2470
01:53:37,794 --> 01:53:41,554
Speaker 9: But the Giants over Tom Brady's dead body.

2471
01:53:41,714 --> 01:53:44,314
Speaker 7: Well, they're they're they're actually know each other pretty well.

2472
01:53:44,354 --> 01:53:48,874
Speaker 7: Oh yeah yeah, and Brady worked to work out together.

2473
01:53:48,994 --> 01:53:53,434
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so uh, I I think the Giants are

2474
01:53:53,474 --> 01:53:55,554
Speaker 7: the team that like, could the Giants be like a

2475
01:53:55,594 --> 01:53:58,954
Speaker 7: Sam Donald team or like, you know, something along those.

2476
01:53:58,834 --> 01:54:01,073
Speaker 5: Lines, especially if they keep table right.

2477
01:54:00,954 --> 01:54:05,034
Speaker 7: And like instead of just overdrafting a quarterback, maybe they

2478
01:54:05,114 --> 01:54:08,114
Speaker 7: take you know, Travis Hunter or whatever, and then they

2479
01:54:08,114 --> 01:54:10,714
Speaker 7: build you know, the roster, and then if they need

2480
01:54:10,714 --> 01:54:13,714
Speaker 7: a quarterback in a year or two because Sam Darnald

2481
01:54:13,714 --> 01:54:16,754
Speaker 7: doesn't work out, maybe it's a better class for them

2482
01:54:16,754 --> 01:54:19,354
Speaker 7: to take a quarterback. I'm just skeptical that that cam

2483
01:54:19,434 --> 01:54:21,474
Speaker 7: Ward and shouldor are gonna go one two. Like, I

2484
01:54:21,554 --> 01:54:23,834
Speaker 7: just don't think that this is that kind of quarterback class.

2485
01:54:26,074 --> 01:54:31,154
Speaker 9: Zach and Wilmington North Carolina just keep coming in. First off,

2486
01:54:31,194 --> 01:54:33,634
Speaker 9: thank you for the content you provide. We all appreciate it.

2487
01:54:33,674 --> 01:54:36,194
Speaker 9: I've been thinking about Mayo's future with the Patriots and

2488
01:54:36,274 --> 01:54:38,514
Speaker 9: have to admit I may be falling into the time

2489
01:54:38,634 --> 01:54:41,594
Speaker 9: to move on category, even though I really like him.

2490
01:54:41,874 --> 01:54:44,554
Speaker 9: My reasoning is that I just don't know of a

2491
01:54:44,594 --> 01:54:47,634
Speaker 9: single thing that I would say he's great at. There's

2492
01:54:47,674 --> 01:54:51,274
Speaker 9: been issues with clock management, critical decisions in late games, drafting,

2493
01:54:51,674 --> 01:54:55,434
Speaker 9: player acquisition, player development, and overall competitiveness this season. My

2494
01:54:55,554 --> 01:54:58,994
Speaker 9: question is, do you disagree? Is there something I'm missing?

2495
01:54:59,234 --> 01:55:01,394
Speaker 9: That you would point to and say he's done a

2496
01:55:01,474 --> 01:55:06,234
Speaker 9: really good job with this or that.

2497
01:55:06,954 --> 01:55:10,194
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, look, I just I mean,

2498
01:55:10,194 --> 01:55:12,114
Speaker 8: I've said it to these guys. I do think he'll

2499
01:55:12,114 --> 01:55:14,474
Speaker 8: be back, but I think that there's gonna be a

2500
01:55:14,514 --> 01:55:16,914
Speaker 8: lot of pressure on him next year right out of

2501
01:55:16,954 --> 01:55:18,034
Speaker 8: the gate. Immediately.

2502
01:55:18,154 --> 01:55:20,674
Speaker 5: It's hard to argue all the coaching points that he made,

2503
01:55:20,754 --> 01:55:23,874
Speaker 5: Like they've had issues with clock management, they've had issues

2504
01:55:23,914 --> 01:55:27,994
Speaker 5: with sort of aggressiveness, fourth downs, consistency of approach and

2505
01:55:27,994 --> 01:55:33,434
Speaker 5: stuff like that. That's kind of inarguable. I would say,

2506
01:55:34,234 --> 01:55:36,714
Speaker 5: I think he has the players, like, I think the players,

2507
01:55:36,914 --> 01:55:39,114
Speaker 5: you know, want him to succeed. I think they believe

2508
01:55:39,194 --> 01:55:41,874
Speaker 5: in him to an extent, but that only lasts so

2509
01:55:41,914 --> 01:55:43,994
Speaker 5: long if you don't start to have some success. That's

2510
01:55:43,994 --> 01:55:46,514
Speaker 5: why I did think it was important to win a

2511
01:55:46,514 --> 01:55:48,674
Speaker 5: few games. And I know that, you know, Evan's on

2512
01:55:48,714 --> 01:55:51,394
Speaker 5: the draft pick bandwagon. I don't think Evan's wrong for that, but.

2513
01:55:51,634 --> 01:55:53,594
Speaker 7: Just at this point, it's like, yeah, but I.

2514
01:55:53,514 --> 01:55:57,874
Speaker 5: Mean I do wonder if if you go three and fourteen,

2515
01:55:58,634 --> 01:56:00,794
Speaker 5: and you've won seven games in two years, and now

2516
01:56:00,834 --> 01:56:03,474
Speaker 5: you have I don't know, thirty five of the guys

2517
01:56:03,474 --> 01:56:05,474
Speaker 5: that have won seven games in two years back for

2518
01:56:05,554 --> 01:56:08,434
Speaker 5: your team the following year. That's hard.

2519
01:56:08,554 --> 01:56:10,074
Speaker 9: It's tough to build a culture that way.

2520
01:56:10,114 --> 01:56:10,274
Speaker 5: Right.

2521
01:56:10,994 --> 01:56:14,914
Speaker 9: We'll end the show with some trivia. It's trivia from

2522
01:56:14,914 --> 01:56:16,274
Speaker 9: the nineties and two thousands.

2523
01:56:16,514 --> 01:56:19,234
Speaker 5: Trivia excellent, love it.

2524
01:56:19,874 --> 01:56:24,034
Speaker 9: See four oh No. Five questions. Who led the Patriots

2525
01:56:24,034 --> 01:56:26,914
Speaker 9: and Sackson both the nineties three and ninety four seasons?

2526
01:56:27,474 --> 01:56:28,074
Speaker 8: Chris Lade?

2527
01:56:28,274 --> 01:56:29,234
Speaker 9: Chris Slade is correct.

2528
01:56:29,274 --> 01:56:30,234
Speaker 5: That would be my guess.

2529
01:56:30,474 --> 01:56:34,514
Speaker 9: How many how many consecutive seasons did Vincent Brown lead

2530
01:56:34,554 --> 01:56:35,834
Speaker 9: the team in tackles?

2531
01:56:36,314 --> 01:56:37,954
Speaker 5: Seven incorrect?

2532
01:56:38,714 --> 01:56:40,274
Speaker 9: Six incorrect?

2533
01:56:40,314 --> 01:56:40,554
Speaker 13: Five?

2534
01:56:42,394 --> 01:56:47,114
Speaker 5: Who who led the Patriots and receptions for the ninety

2535
01:56:47,234 --> 01:56:49,914
Speaker 5: seven season ter Ben correct?

2536
01:56:50,554 --> 01:56:55,594
Speaker 9: Ben Coates is correct. Two more, who had the most

2537
01:56:55,634 --> 01:56:57,034
Speaker 9: receiving yards in four?

2538
01:56:58,674 --> 01:57:06,154
Speaker 5: Most receiving correct? Gibbons is correct, Branch was hurt given

2539
01:57:07,474 --> 01:57:08,234
Speaker 5: I'm in three?

2540
01:57:08,354 --> 01:57:12,554
Speaker 9: And finally, who had the most interceptions in two thousand?

2541
01:57:14,514 --> 01:57:19,834
Speaker 5: God Tyla Antonio Langham.

2542
01:57:20,034 --> 01:57:22,874
Speaker 9: I think this person is saying it's a three way

2543
01:57:22,994 --> 01:57:26,434
Speaker 9: tie because his answer is the law firm Tyler and

2544
01:57:26,514 --> 01:57:30,394
Speaker 9: lawyer Maloy And to Bucky Jones, t Buck, it's kind

2545
01:57:30,394 --> 01:57:32,794
Speaker 9: of a trick question, a little bit that is that.

2546
01:57:32,754 --> 01:57:34,834
Speaker 5: Does sound like so Mike got four because you said

2547
01:57:34,874 --> 01:57:38,274
Speaker 5: Tyler I was on fire, Tyler the great ty Law

2548
01:57:38,714 --> 01:57:39,554
Speaker 5: good job.

2549
01:57:39,514 --> 01:57:40,834
Speaker 8: Yeah, young Branch.

2550
01:57:41,114 --> 01:57:46,194
Speaker 9: That was Mike's watching sweet Spot late nineties to well.

2551
01:57:46,674 --> 01:57:49,514
Speaker 8: I mean to be honest, my watching sweet Spot was

2552
01:57:49,514 --> 01:57:53,634
Speaker 8: definitely starting the six season. That was where I nai

2553
01:57:53,714 --> 01:57:57,034
Speaker 8: missed a game once, like six six.

2554
01:57:57,194 --> 01:57:58,034
Speaker 7: That's a tough time.

2555
01:57:58,154 --> 01:58:01,634
Speaker 5: Usually usually they're you know, him and his ilk. They

2556
01:58:01,674 --> 01:58:03,234
Speaker 5: started in week three of O one.

2557
01:58:04,074 --> 01:58:06,794
Speaker 8: How would my kind know that have the knowledge to

2558
01:58:06,874 --> 01:58:08,874
Speaker 8: start right then? Like, it took me like five years

2559
01:58:08,874 --> 01:58:10,474
Speaker 8: to be like, I think these guys are pretty good.

2560
01:58:10,474 --> 01:58:11,434
Speaker 8: I should watch every game.

2561
01:58:11,554 --> 01:58:12,354
Speaker 5: That's the bit Mike.

2562
01:58:12,554 --> 01:58:14,874
Speaker 7: In my defense, I like I was, you know, I

2563
01:58:14,914 --> 01:58:15,594
Speaker 7: was just too young.

2564
01:58:15,794 --> 01:58:17,954
Speaker 5: Yeah right, I don't. I don't blame no one. I

2565
01:58:18,034 --> 01:58:21,114
Speaker 5: don't blame I don't blame you. You were young, Mike wasn't.

2566
01:58:21,234 --> 01:58:22,954
Speaker 5: Mike's not that much younger than me. I was in

2567
01:58:22,954 --> 01:58:24,754
Speaker 5: California having fun ten years.

2568
01:58:24,754 --> 01:58:28,194
Speaker 9: Paul, all right, that's gonna be it for this edition

2569
01:58:28,434 --> 01:58:31,994
Speaker 9: of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow. As we turn

2570
01:58:32,074 --> 01:58:35,354
Speaker 9: the page to the Buffalo Bills, what can the Patriots

2571
01:58:35,354 --> 01:58:37,474
Speaker 9: do to be competitive? Up?

2572
01:58:37,514 --> 01:58:40,034
Speaker 5: And uh have we come to that? What can we

2573
01:58:40,074 --> 01:58:42,834
Speaker 5: do to be competitive? Yes, that's pray for rain after

2574
01:58:42,874 --> 01:58:47,234
Speaker 5: he had his stone cold block of the week last

2575
01:58:47,234 --> 01:58:50,074
Speaker 5: week and the Patriots win. Now he's just looking at

2576
01:58:50,314 --> 01:58:51,394
Speaker 5: ways to be competitive.

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