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Speaker 1: This is the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio Starks and Matt Williamson here in the Breakers Hotel

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Speaker 2: parking lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. More or less, we're in a parking area.

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Speaker 4: I guess this is I mean, or you could say

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Speaker 4: this is the holding area, staging area.

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Speaker 5: Yea staging air holding pen. Also, there is a course

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Speaker 5: behind this back drop, the.

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Speaker 3: Thirteenth The thirteenth pole was right behind.

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Speaker 5: Us par three here.

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, Dale, your right foot is on a

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Speaker 6: white line that cars parked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think it's pretty clear it's a parking lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So guys, some rule changes today.

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Speaker 5: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: I think that most fans are really going to notice

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Speaker 2: outside of of the touchback going to the thirty five

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Speaker 2: now instead of going back to the.

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Speaker 3: Thirty We've talked about this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to create more returns because you're

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Speaker 2: going to see fewer teams willing to kick the ball

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Speaker 2: through the end zone because they're not going to want

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Speaker 2: to give up the.

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Speaker 3: Ball to the average return.

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Speaker 2: Last year, the average starts start point was like the

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Speaker 2: twenty eight and change.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So there really.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't a lot of difference between Okay, if we kick

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Speaker 2: it out of the end zone or if we allow

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Speaker 2: them to return it, the difference is one yard. Now

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Speaker 2: it's like seven yards one and they might break when

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Speaker 2: now it's seven yards and that's a little more significant.

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Speaker 5: And you don't want to starting field positions. And I

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Speaker 5: don't care if you have the number one defense in

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Speaker 5: the league. Nobody wants to have to defend only sixty.

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Speaker 2: Five yards of the field right or twenty yards before

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Speaker 2: you're in field goal ring.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So I think this is the and this

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Speaker 5: is the league's kind of their compromise to that is

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Speaker 5: like this make it. You know. I was listening to

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Speaker 5: Troy Vincent uh in the meeting today as they were

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Speaker 5: talking about those rule changes, and they were saying it

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Speaker 5: was like, yeah, the average twenty eight point eight. The

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Speaker 5: kickback was at thirty. There was no harm, no foule.

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Speaker 5: So they were like, Okay, we're gonna do this. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we got twenty three twenty three percent where returned only

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Speaker 5: seven return for touchdowns. So it's like, we want to

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Speaker 5: make this more of a penalty to get that play

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Speaker 5: to being exciting again, right, and it got more exciting

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Speaker 5: than it was a previous.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I took a step in the right direction. Now

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Speaker 7: the next step.

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Speaker 5: And there weren't injuries. Yeah, injury numbers were down forty

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Speaker 5: seven percent. Concussions were way down. Concussions were way down.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it seems like a successful first year. Now

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Speaker 6: let's make it even better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And that's what and that's what a lot

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Speaker 5: of these rules were were just simply putting on and

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Speaker 5: tweaking them. And like you said, you're not going to

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Speaker 5: notice much now now we still have to do our

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Speaker 5: dynamic kickoff video. I probably still have to do that

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Speaker 5: changing for the new rules because I'm like, you can't

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Speaker 5: just add that part into it. But you know, just

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Speaker 5: like the name is I don't like because it's what's

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Speaker 5: not a dynamic about it? Right? Yeah, It's like it's

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Speaker 5: it's hey, here's the new kids different.

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Speaker 2: This isn't Batman and Robin, Yeah, right, exactly, isn't the

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Speaker 2: dynamic duo?

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Speaker 3: This is a kickoff this rule. Yeah, it's a new

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Speaker 3: kickoff role.

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Speaker 5: It's like we have a play now.

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Speaker 2: One thing they tabled, however, and the owners will probably

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Speaker 2: talk about this next month and they could still pass.

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Speaker 2: This was the change in the on side kick roles. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you still aren't going to be able as we sit here. Now,

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Speaker 2: you can only do an on side kick in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter if you're trailing. Yeah, I don't see why

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't adjust that and make that available at any point,

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Speaker 2: because if I want to go, if I want to

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Speaker 2: if we score five times and I want to go

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Speaker 2: on side every single time, why can I Why not?

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Speaker 3: That's my choice. It's not the right choice, but it's

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Speaker 3: my choice.

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Speaker 7: Chiefs and the Super Bowl a perfect example too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they scored with think it was like twenty four

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Speaker 2: seconds left in the third quarter, down thirty one to

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Speaker 2: six at that point, and they couldn't go on side.

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Speaker 5: Which that that's one of the moments where you're like,

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Speaker 5: come on, I mean, these guys want to do it,

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Speaker 5: and they're willing to risk it. You're already in that game. Yea, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Why why why have to hinder them in that type

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Speaker 7: So we're choosing to do a really low risk play, Okay,

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Speaker 7: we go for it that why don't care when it is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I would even say just open it

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Speaker 5: up to the second half at least at least yes,

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Speaker 5: but maybe you don't. You want to get the game

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Speaker 5: going in the first half. You don't want to slow

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Speaker 5: it down, adjust it, have to do all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: Second half, Okay, let let let's go for it.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, on the on side kick can be an extremely

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Speaker 2: exciting play.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If that ball starts hopping around a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit, oh yeah, you get to hop and John go.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's also maybe a higher injury rate, and that

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Speaker 2: might be one of the considerations there, because you've got

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Speaker 2: a bunch of guys. Yeah, I mean you got for

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Speaker 2: an on side kick, you got your your front row

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Speaker 2: guys who are just there to be crashed as stummies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah exactly. They're they're like that you know we do

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Speaker 5: with that high hop. Yeah exactly. Laeo I was I

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Speaker 5: was thinking of like those old those old movies where

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Speaker 5: they have like the villagers that learn how to like fight,

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Speaker 5: you know, like medieval times. They got those scarecrows up,

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Speaker 5: they run into them, the robin hood min and tights.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we should take them into battle. Oh god, but

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Speaker 5: that's what you're there for.

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Speaker 2: It in that second that second level, guys is your hands,

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Speaker 2: your real hands your.

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Speaker 5: Real hands unit. Yeah. The first guys are the blockers,

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Speaker 5: almost like the offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: That you see a bunch of tight ends.

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Speaker 2: You see a bunch of linebackers are in that first

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Speaker 2: running backs Yeah, yeah, even a couple of running backs.

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Speaker 3: You've gotta have some hands. But we're really there to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, your questionable. I mean the year, the age of

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Speaker 5: Craig Wolfy being on the front line of the team

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Speaker 5: are over talked about one time.

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Speaker 7: It's still such a low percentage play the way because

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Speaker 7: you have to announce it. Yeah, you have to surprise

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Speaker 5: And it's not like you're getting into the game like, okay,

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Speaker 5: well boom, we got this front row. We're just gonna

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Speaker 5: surprise them. No, you get to pick out your hands unit.

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Speaker 5: You get to sit them out there.

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Speaker 7: We are kicking no on side kick and changes after.

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Speaker 5: This commercial break right.

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Speaker 2: And figure it out. Then they're gonna call time out.

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Speaker 2: Well they we're gonna kick it that way. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: call time out and now they're gonna have to kick

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Speaker 2: it that way. Yeah, all right, come on.

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Speaker 2: They also align the postseason and regular season overtime rules

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Speaker 2: by granting both teams at.

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Speaker 3: Least a possession of the football.

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Speaker 2: So if the team that wins the toss goes down

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Speaker 2: and scores a touchdown. It used to be in the

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Speaker 2: regular season the game is over, but in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: both teams got a possession. Well, now it aligns more correctly,

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Speaker 2: even though it's still only a ten minute situation.

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Speaker 5: So if you can milk that.

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Speaker 2: Clock and have an eight minute drive and score a touchdown,

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Speaker 2: the other team is still up against it when they

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Speaker 2: get the ball back.

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Speaker 3: There's ten minutes isn't much.

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Speaker 5: No, especially not in the game now, because I mean,

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Speaker 5: like you said, you have teams who can possess the

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Speaker 5: ball for that on any given drive in a game.

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Speaker 7: So it's a tire defense and you're even more tired.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you wear those guys down. It's gonna be

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Speaker 5: really interesting to see.

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Speaker 2: But it would It does take away that Denver Bronco

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Speaker 2: situation where they come out and hit a play.

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Speaker 5: Game's over. It's like, oh, this is this is all

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Speaker 5: we got? Yeah we got This is so anti climactic,

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Speaker 5: right but you but I mean, and like you said,

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Speaker 5: we still want to see football. We still want to

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Speaker 5: see the challenge. So get a chance to respond. I

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Speaker 5: think I think it's an appropriate thing to have throughout

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Speaker 5: the season. Shouldn't just be an acception.

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Speaker 2: You can't have one set of rules for the playoffs

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Speaker 2: and another set, you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't think the network things that big

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Speaker 6: a deal. Or if the game goes a little longer,

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Speaker 6: I mean, so be it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's still ten minutes, which is really realistically

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Speaker 2: another twenty to twenty five minutes of real time, real.

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Speaker 5: Life, and you probably had a filler show anyway, so

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Speaker 5: you push back your post game show, you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that that's really about it, and the nightly news.

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Speaker 6: And people are streaming their favorite games everywhere anyways. It's

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Speaker 6: not like I'm waiting on NBC or CBS or whatever

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Speaker 6: for four to twenty five kickoff and I don't get it.

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Speaker 5: You can find it somewhere else, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: They have also expanded the instant replays ability to advise

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Speaker 2: on field officials. You know, if they throw a twelve

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Speaker 2: men on the field flag and replay shows it, they

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Speaker 2: know that guy got off the field, they're gonna they

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Speaker 2: can they can buzz down to pick that up that

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Speaker 2: wasn't the case.

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Speaker 5: And and also here's a clarification for that, right, they

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Speaker 5: can't call and tell them about.

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Speaker 2: It has to be something they threw a flag on

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Speaker 2: and they're advising on that flag or a ball spot.

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Speaker 5: We see it.

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Speaker 2: We've seen it all the time, and I'm sure it

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Speaker 2: draws you nuts. Is somebody who actually has to call

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Speaker 2: the game when the ball is here and then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, right before the snap, the official comes

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Speaker 2: running in and moves up three feet or back three feet,

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Speaker 2: and it's like that just changed how you might address

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Speaker 2: or might play call. Yeah, like, oh it's third and two.

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Speaker 2: Well no, now it's third and one. Or it was

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Speaker 2: it was third and inches, but now it's third in

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Speaker 2: a yard and a half exactly.

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Speaker 5: So so I think, and I think that's the right

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Speaker 5: thing to do, right because you don't want the sky

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Speaker 5: reft making the calls on the field affecting what their

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Speaker 5: human judgment is. Is to simply add as an addition

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Speaker 5: to say, hey, this is what it really was. Here's

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Speaker 5: a spot or that wasn't a penalty. You can pick

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Speaker 5: that up, no penalty necessary, but it has to be called.

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Speaker 2: And then then there and as I say, there has

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Speaker 2: to be clear and obvious video evidence. I'm not breaking

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Speaker 3: But you know, so it should take care of that.

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Speaker 2: But not to call it. No, they're not calling it,

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Speaker 5: Exactly, but also piss him off if he's lined up

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Speaker 5: that happened. They got me again, exactly. I was clearly

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Speaker 6: I just want the calls to be as close to

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Speaker 5: where they're saying where where they're playing the who's it? Game? Hey?

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Speaker 6: I think that's been more efficient. Maybe they huddle up more,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they come in and say, hey, we're gonna huddle

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Speaker 4: This is another one.

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Speaker 2: Competition Committee UH proposed this and it amends. It's an

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Speaker 5: Okay, well you can.

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Speaker 5: They were allowed to come back.

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Speaker 3: You would have the ability to bring that guy back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, was more injured reserve flexibility to me is a

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Speaker 5: Why do we have a finite list? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What's a couple more guys that Yeah.

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Speaker 5: too they've doubled it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, it's not a twelve game season anymore. A

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Speaker 7: I mean, you need a lot of roster flexibility.

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Speaker 2: So it just it saves those guys that that that hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm on the fifty three man roster and then I'm not,

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Speaker 2: We're going to call you back here in two days.

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Speaker 2: Once you clear waivers, you can hold onto those guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you also get if you make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Now you go from having eight guys eligible to return

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Speaker 5: Okay, if you make the postseason, I mean.

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Speaker 5: Available, otherwise your season's over.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, if you're gonna have longer seasons, you have to

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Speaker 5: And just think about when we do eventually get to

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Speaker 5: day roster. Yeah, like you can't forty six, we need

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Speaker 5: to us as in eighteen games. Okay, now unlocked, there's

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Speaker 6: I know why they do it, but it does make

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Speaker 6: I think the owner could have afforded one more hotel room,

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Speaker 7: And maybe we get a.

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Speaker 6: Scat back out there that's not usually out there, or

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Speaker 5: There anyway, so chances are he's already eaten the meal.

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Speaker 3: Right, he was at the hotel.

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Speaker 5: He has a hotel. It's just you know, as far

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Speaker 5: We've got forty seven players.

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Speaker 3: We have the same amount of players.

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Speaker 5: Well, and also here's the thing, because we have an

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Speaker 5: There's it's all kinds of convoluted stuff that but.

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Speaker 6: with an expanded roster. It might also be good for

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Speaker 6: You keep a kickoff returner that wouldn't have been active,

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Speaker 2: But you can actually talk to the guy as opposed

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Speaker 3: The tush push those got table.

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Speaker 2: Schedule, And that doesn't happen because every division right now,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, three games are the ones that are off and

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Speaker 7: And they're not weighted as much to get you.

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Speaker 3: Your team to beat the teams in your division. That,

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Speaker 2: that time, he was their defensive coordinator. And I call

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Speaker 2: him in the offseason because he's a Washington County guy

448
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Speaker 2: and we're talking. I say, what are you doing, coaches? Well,

449
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Speaker 2: I was just breaking down some tape of the Steelers

450
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Speaker 2: because we got to beat the Steelers. They're the team

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Speaker 2: in our division.

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Speaker 3: He said, I've spent the entire week working on the Steelers.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: So that's what you do because you know you're not

455
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Speaker 2: you don't have if you're gonna play seventeen games. And

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Speaker 2: I got fourteen of her now AFC games, and I

457
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Speaker 2: gotta I gotta break down tape of the Titans and

458
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Speaker 2: I gotta break down Like, no, you're worried about your

459
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Speaker 2: division games.

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Speaker 5: And that's what's changed about the Kyle football like landscape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have liked it gets into the

462
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Speaker 2: championship without playing Michigan or.

463
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Speaker 5: Ohio State, Penn State. It's like come on, like, are

464
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Speaker 5: we serious right now? Is this what we're talking about?

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Speaker 5: So I think yeah, and it keeps you delineated from

466
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Speaker 5: the college game that's now changed so drastically because when

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Speaker 5: I played in college, it used to be East versus

468
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Speaker 5: West in every division, right in your conference, so it

469
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Speaker 5: was like, hey, top out of the East, top out

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Speaker 5: of the West, they playing the champions, and now it's

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Speaker 5: like top two. Well, you know, we got Texas and

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Speaker 5: it was a Texas and Georgia that played in the

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Speaker 5: conference game, and I'm like, they didn't play each other,

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Speaker 5: Like like, how are we ecatively saying these opportunities or

475
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Speaker 5: you get the repeats of guys because you played them

476
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Speaker 5: so much. So yeah, it just it makes no sense,

477
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Speaker 5: and I think more so than tabling. I hopefully they

478
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Speaker 5: do get rid of it. Now if we get to

479
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Speaker 5: eighteen games, now we have another conversation. We expand the

480
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Speaker 5: NFL overseas eventually, then maybe you could talk about that

481
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Speaker 5: because I think now it changes, just like we went

482
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Speaker 5: from the Central to the North with the Steelers. Right,

483
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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to do some reclassification, but not right now,

484
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Speaker 5: not right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to a break, guys. He is Max Starks.

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Speaker 2: That's Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We are the

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Speaker 2: drive here in Palm Beach, Florida where the league meetings

488
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Speaker 2: taking place. So pretty much wrapping up at this point.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to a break that's gonna do it

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Speaker 2: for our We're done with that number.

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Speaker 5: We're not yet, We're in number. We're in the hour

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Speaker 5: number two.

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Speaker 3: Look, I can't even tell you what day of the

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Speaker 3: week it is here right now, but anyways.

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Speaker 5: Let's get to a break.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 5: At least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: and we are here at at the breakers in Palm Beach, Florida.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back in Matt and I'll be back in

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh tomorrow. I assume Max is headed back to Phoenix

506
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Speaker 2: to the desert. It's a dry heat, not like the

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Speaker 2: moist heat.

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Speaker 5: This doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Very very moist heat here.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, anyways, so yeah, guys, I think let's assume

511
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Speaker 8: if we if we can't here the Steelers get Aaron

512
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Speaker 8: Rodgers signed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, Uh, that then to me leaves really

514
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Speaker 2: one starting spot open on this roster in terms of

515
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Speaker 2: they don't have a guy right now. They have guys,

516
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Speaker 2: but not somebody that you would you could, you could

517
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Speaker 2: out draft these guys pretty easily. And that's on the

518
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Speaker 2: defensive line. So I think you start to then narrow

519
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Speaker 2: in on the draft here that's going to take place. Well,

520
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Speaker 2: it's now April first, so later this month, that defensive

521
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Speaker 2: line becomes the priority for the steel as if it

522
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Speaker 2: already hadn't been, And you can forget about the team

523
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Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback in the first round.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it would be a safe bet, not early,

525
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Speaker 5: not at some point. Yeah, it happened, but just not

526
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Speaker 5: not in the first round and obviously not in the

527
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Speaker 5: second round. We don't have one of those.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Dale, to be honest with you, just concentrate

529
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Speaker 6: on defense. I think you could make a pretty strong

530
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Speaker 6: argument that they are really close, if not done, at edge,

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Speaker 6: at inside linebacker, at safety after adding Thornhill and corner.

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Speaker 7: Now they might.

533
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Speaker 6: Draft one of those positions, but it's probably gonna be late.

534
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Speaker 6: I mean they're basically might add a free agent.

535
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Speaker 2: But but you're not drafting a wide receiver in pretty

536
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Speaker 2: much in the barn on you you could, I guess,

537
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Speaker 2: draft a running back in the first round, but I

538
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Speaker 2: mean talking to omar Con and Mike Tomlin, they both

539
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Speaker 2: you know, said, hey, no, Jalen Warren is you know,

540
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Speaker 2: he is certainly capable of being your starting running back.

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Speaker 5: And Game Wall is a good number he was in.

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Speaker 3: Philly offensive line.

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Speaker 2: You've got five guys coming back with starting experience. Now

544
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Speaker 2: they're gonna be some shifts and things of that nature there.

545
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Speaker 2: I guess technically you could draft another offensive lineman early

546
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Speaker 2: if you if that's the way line, if things lined up,

547
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Speaker 2: But that's just again, you're not drafting a tight end in.

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Speaker 5: The first round, Nope.

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Speaker 3: So that leaves the defensive line.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a big neon light sign, Yeah,

551
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Speaker 5: pointing down to the interior defensive line.

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Speaker 7: As it should.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's the way they set this thing up

554
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Speaker 6: because it's a really good defensive tackle draft too, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of good defensive lineman, you know,

556
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Speaker 5: and I think with the amount of edges that are

557
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Speaker 5: also available, that's gonna give us more options when it

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Speaker 5: does come to twenty one. Yeah, that you're gonna get

559
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Speaker 5: there because everybody else in front of you, you have

560
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Speaker 5: probably four that might be looking at D line and

561
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Speaker 5: it's kind of like a tweeer between other issues that

562
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Speaker 5: they're gonna need to answer.

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Speaker 2: And maybe they're looking for an end, not a not

564
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Speaker 2: a tackle or so. I've got Bob McGinn's thing here

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Speaker 2: that he does on his website, go Long, and we've

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Speaker 2: Matt and I have talked about about this, and Bob

567
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Speaker 2: has done this for years up in the Green Bay

568
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Speaker 2: area and he talks to different scouts around the league

569
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Speaker 2: and things of that nature. And they said the same

570
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Speaker 2: thing about, for example, Mason Graham that I felt about him.

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Speaker 3: He's a four to three defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: He's not He doesn't really fit in the three four

573
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Speaker 2: scheme because his arms are a little bit shorter. He

574
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Speaker 2: didn't have the that premiere length that you necessarily look.

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Speaker 5: For, lockout looking for.

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Speaker 2: So if he goes early, that's fine, that doesn't affect

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Speaker 2: my defensive tackle board at all. And then you start

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Speaker 2: looking at some of those other guys and not getting

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Speaker 2: the twenty one no matter, no he's not.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to get to that.

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Speaker 2: But then you start, you know, the Walter Nolan's that,

582
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Speaker 2: the you know, the the yeah, Kenneth Grant harmony. But

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing here about this, and this is again

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Speaker 2: from him talking to scouts, he has Alfred Collins as

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Speaker 2: his number three guy.

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Speaker 5: Having talked to scouts, who's the two?

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Speaker 7: I haven't looked at it yet.

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Speaker 5: Two is Nolan?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: I understand Collins though, I mean sort of in a

591
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Speaker 6: Kenneth Grant like manner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not just.

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Speaker 6: A two gapping nose type of player. I mean he's

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Speaker 6: a big bodied guy. And the league is moving those

595
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Speaker 6: guys all over the defensive front now too. And Grant's

596
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Speaker 6: a great example. I mean, these guys are big athletes

597
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Speaker 6: with length and versatility.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because what Colins what he's like six five sixty six.

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Speaker 2: He's six five and a half three thirty two. Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's some of the comps. These are NFL scouts camping

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Speaker 2: here for on this guy. Uh, he's in just just

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Speaker 2: a guy. They're wrecking things and being a problem. Marcus

603
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Speaker 2: Stroud was a little a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit more dynamic.

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Speaker 3: Marcus Stroub is a really good football player.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a handful. Trust me. I played against that

607
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Speaker 5: guy college at the pros. Yes he is. Yeah, I

608
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Speaker 5: can say that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one of the other guys says, talented but inconsistent

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Speaker 2: John Henderson, John Henderson is a really good football player.

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Speaker 5: You're talking Are we just NFL draft here right now?

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Speaker 5: I mean, and in the sec if.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me Alfred Collins can be John Henderson,

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Speaker 4: Marcus half a step back from one of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's a great company. Also other Redwoods. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking second round on Alfred Collins and these guys

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Speaker 2: are saying, no, he's a first round pick.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a heck of boy, especially when you

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Speaker 5: look at scouts. I mean, you know, Texas had a

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Speaker 5: lot of success. I mean, but I think we kind

622
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Speaker 5: of always focused on what the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: He was yours Archie, you know, arch Manning type of conversation.

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Speaker 5: We looked at him. But I go, I go back

625
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Speaker 5: to last year to and Andre Sweat on that defensive

626
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Speaker 5: line Alpha Collins played on that line with him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Murphy's round pick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: He was behind two guys who were both high draft picks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, last forty picks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean similar to Georgia, right, you know what

632
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Speaker 5: two three years ago where it's like, oh, this is

633
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Speaker 5: the next one up. Okay, let's take him. I think

634
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Speaker 5: he fits in that mold. And like you said, Texas

635
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Speaker 5: is playing a lot different than the Texas we've known

636
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Speaker 5: of the last fifteen years. That was a very elite

637
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Speaker 5: defense they put. They they put the pause on on Alabama.

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Speaker 5: I mean remember that game. They beat the brakes off

639
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: of him and it wasn't even close. And then even

640
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Speaker 5: the Stiney a lot of a lot of their a

641
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Speaker 5: lot of their action that they like. So I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that makes sense. It kind of a guy I've looked

643
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Speaker 5: over a little bit because I've been so focused on

644
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Speaker 5: the Oregon, the Michigan guys and everybody else, but Alfred

645
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Speaker 5: Collins does fit into the That's an interesting one to

646
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Speaker 5: put him up there.

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Speaker 6: Again, I haven't been read it yet, but I wouldn't

648
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Speaker 6: shock me if they were talking about, well, his best

649
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Speaker 6: football might be next year.

650
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean ahead of him.

651
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Speaker 2: I mean, and they're saying he could he could be

652
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Speaker 2: a three to four defensive tackle. He has enough pass

653
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Speaker 2: rush ability that he can push the pocket and do

654
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Speaker 2: some of those things too because he has at length.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he has that length because what's his arms.

656
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Speaker 3: Thirty four and five eighths?

657
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely absolutely there it is, Yeah, long arm stab

658
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Speaker 5: if he could learn that from Cam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably for other people. Again, they had him rated

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Speaker 2: ahead of Kenneth Grant.

661
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Speaker 5: Which is and I think more so because Grant's injury, right,

662
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's what's kind of held the

663
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Speaker 5: comparison because he's not doing anything. Collins did something. But

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Speaker 5: I believe they're right there with each.

665
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Speaker 2: Other well, and the calm on Kenneth Grant reminds me

666
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Speaker 2: a little of Richard Seymour and Kevin Williams.

667
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 7: It's not bad, not bad, Yeah.

668
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: Marcus Stroud's teammates Seymour all the same era. Yeah, yeah,

669
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: early two thousands.

670
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: But I think when you read those things.

671
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 7: Those guys are a little heavier, they got a little

672
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 7: more in the middle.

673
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you start to get an idea of

674
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: what kind of defensive tackle draft this is?

675
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, like these are these guys are dudes? Yeah.

676
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: I think they didn't call it the Williams Wall for

677
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: no reason.

678
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 7: Which was a borderline Hall of Famer and Seymour's in.

679
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Seymour's in. Kevin Williams very well should be in

680
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: or could be in. Those are good football players.

681
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 5: These guys.

682
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 6: And they're all body beautiful, huge long arms, first guy

683
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 6: off the boss SI rare human beings, right, Uh.

684
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: They like Todleek Williams as well.

685
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: I get it.

686
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 6: I think there's a little untapped pass rush there that

687
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 6: we don't talk about enough to.

688
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he can play zero, he can play one,

689
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: he can play three.

690
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, he can play anywhere on the interior. You

691
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: can slide him as long as he gets comfortable and

692
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: get him some reps at it.

693
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 6: The one thing I recently found out about him, though,

694
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 6: is he came to Ohio State much lighter and put

695
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 6: on a lot of weight at a very rapid rate

696
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: and handled it extremely well. A lot of those guys

697
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 6: get too big, too fast.

698
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: You know.

699
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure you could attest to it to some degree,

700
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 6: guys you've been around, But okay, we're gonna keep adding weight.

701
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 6: We're gonna keep adding weight. And didn't lose quickness, didn't

702
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 6: lose technique, didn't lose pad level, and it's like, okay,

703
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 6: he can handle it.

704
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's built for it.

705
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, has all all those five guys ahead of Derek Harmon?

706
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: Wow?

707
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 6: Okay, so I think Harmon is a little more linear

708
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 6: than those guys and turns.

709
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 5: You know.

710
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Still they have a one A one to two grade

711
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: on Harmon. So that's six guys who could potentially go

712
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: in the first round, and not all six of them

713
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: are gonna go right.

714
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 6: Right, but maybe you'd be happy in any of them

715
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 6: in a trade down situation or something like that.

716
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Then you're looking at Jordan Birch as a round two

717
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: guy out of Oregon, just kind of a freaky athlete.

718
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: They're calling him a tackle though, Well he's a six

719
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: four two eighty two, so he plays edge there.

720
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: You could kick him inside.

721
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 7: I needed to do the Aaron Smith movie.

722
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: If you could kick.

723
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: Him inside and easily in past rushing situations.

724
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: And yeah sub four down stuff yeah, uh teaching one

725
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: in the Yeah. Anyways, t J.

726
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Sanders is a guy that that has you know, they're

727
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: looking at us a round two guys and they're saying

728
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: like his best football is ahead of him.

729
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: And would I would agree with that. I mean, he

730
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 5: played he played on that defensive line for the South

731
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 5: South Carolina, and I mean you look, you look at

732
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: just off the edge. I mean it was like you

733
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: kind of forget about it because there was so much

734
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 5: edge action and pressure up. But he was a guy

735
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 5: that better benefited greatly from that because quarterbacks couldn't step

736
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: up when he would press in the pocket. But he

737
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 5: didn't get that, he didn't get the attention that the

738
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 5: other two guys did.

739
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and sis gonna be more in that explode off

740
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 6: the ball mentality than they used to. I still think

741
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 6: a lot of our listeners just think lebou and three

742
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 6: four and Casey Hampton, right, Aaron Smith.

743
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: To let the linebackers make all the plays.

744
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 5: This is not this is not what we call force

745
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: flow or funnel to the backers type of defense.

746
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 6: Now they want to get up the field and make

747
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: plays and be disruptive.

748
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: And he certainly is the guys he has with a

749
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: two to three grade on him. Shamar Turner from Texas

750
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: A and M.

751
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 5: Production black Hole.

752
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, started thirty thirty five games over four years,

753
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: and okay, but he does you know Josh Farmer out

754
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: of Florida State.

755
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: I I like him a lot as well.

756
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: And they said, look, he just does the dirty work,

757
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: thirty five inch arms for a guy who can play

758
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: on the nose, that is tremendous, pretty rare.

759
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

760
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're looking at Ty Robinson, who's one of

761
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: my personal favorites, and I couldn't understand when we started

762
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: this draft process Max. I'm looking at all the all

763
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: the stuff, and I'm like, why is he into two hundreds? Yeah,

764
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: he was one of the first because he had the

765
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: traits I was looking for in a three four defensive end. Like,

766
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm okay, he's he's six', five he's like two ninety

767
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: three hundred, pounds AND i Start SO i turned immediately

768
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: turned the tape on of, him And i'm.

769
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: Like, well this guy's. Good what like he just goes

770
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: into reck stuff like gives you a keys as type of. Vibe,

771
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: yeah LIKE.

772
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: I I and now he's rising up the way they're

773
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: saying two three round two three guy on.

774
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: Him, WELL i think, also, right It's, nebraska, RIGHT i

775
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: Mean nebraska doesn't have the note writer that once had

776
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 5: in the. Nineties, yeah so people tend to kind of

777
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 5: knock him. Down it's helmet. Scouting helmet, scouting it's not

778
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: actual skill.

779
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Scouting, yeah but he is a big strong even say

780
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: he could play the nose.

781
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: Here and, there not your starting, nose but could could

782
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: do some of that.

783
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 5: Stuff, yeah MAYBE i wouldn't put him in base. Though.

784
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah Yaha black From iowa another, one six, five three.

785
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: Thirties guys are all, huge all. Humongous, yeah what.

786
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 7: Kind of round grade do they have On?

787
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: Black?

788
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: Three, okay we, do we do our mock drafts On

789
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Pro Football.

790
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Focus you can't even Draft Yaha. Black he's not on their.

791
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: List they got like three hundred and fifty guys, listed

792
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: and Yaha black.

793
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: Is not one of, them Which i'm, like, CRAZY.

794
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't get. It like this guy's a good football

795
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: player and he says he said he'll be a two

796
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: technique or a three four defensive.

797
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: End and he's one of the guys we talked about a.

798
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: Combine so his numbers came, In we're, like, yeah sixty

799
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: and he did. That, yeah, yeah, yep sign me.

800
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 7: Up SO i get a lot of those body type, guys.

801
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: The thirty five inch arms or arms, right you, know

802
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 2: SO i. DO i do think there's more guys in this.

803
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: Draft his next five guys and Save On jones from

804
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: l S. U, yeah six, five and a half two eighty,

805
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: three a little.

806
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 6: Lighter he's another edge THAT i think has is gonna

807
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 6: his futures on the INSIDE.

808
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: I can put, YEAH i could put him inside in

809
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: the put it a little.

810
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 5: Bit it's just a little bit of touch of, inconsistency oh,

811
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: yeah like not consistent hand, SHOOTING i, mean and some

812
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 5: of the things of footwork. Things, yeah, yeah he would

813
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: get he would get double teamed and driven off the,

814
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: ball like some of those little somatic. THINGS i, mean

815
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: just for me WATCHING l S u and calling those.

816
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: Games just but but like you, said but if you're

817
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: not saying, STARTER i want to. GET i want to

818
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: grow him into it that that's.

819
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he can come in and situationally be passed rusher early,

820
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: on and then we can teach him to hold up

821
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: on the run stuff as mal dunbar.

822
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: ROTATIONS i, mean you, know he the fifth sixth guy

823
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: coming in put on. Him we're in a four to

824
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: seven six. Exactly he's pretty.

825
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: Fast two eighty, three he ran a four to seven

826
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: six that could.

827
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 5: That could knife and a. Gap.

828
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh Darius alexander all the way down here in

829
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: which is Pretty i'm kind of.

830
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: Surprising THAT i don't know IF i buy, that here's the.

831
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: Thing so here's here's what the scout.

832
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: Said kind of reminds me Of Montravius adams coming out

833
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: Of auburn in twenty. Seventeen And i've talked With i've

834
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: talked with man about this and he's, like, look it

835
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: took me a few years to get it because in

836
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: college LIKE i, was he, was he was a five

837
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: star recruit going Into.

838
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: Auburn he, said.

839
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: It happens a lot to highly. TECH i could just

840
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: beat the guy in front of. ME i didn't need

841
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: to worry about technique or anything like. THAT i was

842
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: just one, step throw him aside and get to the.

843
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: Quarterback he.

844
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: Said, then you, know my coaches were always telling me hand,

845
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: placement hand, placement do, this you got to do, that

846
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: AND i never paid attention to it until he got

847
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: to The steelers and, Said, okay IF i want to

848
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: stick in the, League i'm on my third. Team NOW

849
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: i got to start doing this. Stuff and it's kind

850
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: of changed some things for it which.

851
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: Made him stick around and why he was a guy

852
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 5: that we started depending on as a key rotational guy

853
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: into into that defensive line.

854
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: Group But alexander can play the. Nose he can play,

855
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: out so he can do some of those things for.

856
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: You Jamari collball's another one.

857
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: There, yeah real.

858
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 6: QUICKLY a lot of those like four and five star

859
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: d tackles never learned the. Technique you, know they don't have.

860
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: To they're, bigger, stronger, fast they're just bouncing in the. Bar,

861
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 6: yeah they throw guys around in high. School it's like

862
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 6: a quarterback with a big. ARM i don't have to

863
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: be anticipatory thrower BECAUSE i can throw it a million

864
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: miles an.

865
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: Hour and there's not as much teaching going on at

866
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 5: the collegians now because you're just trying to churn guys

867
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: through and you're trying to help me win today. Exactly

868
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 5: SO i think that's also going to be something that

869
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: we have to look at in the future and. Evaluate

870
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: are these guys learning? Technique and you know how many

871
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 5: schools do they go to before it finally kicks on

872
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: on them and you have to do a little bit

873
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: more due diligence On BUT i Think alexander he's one

874
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: of those. GUYS i think he has a little bit

875
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: more ahead Of montravius than, That SO i think that

876
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: comes a little bit. Off, yeah now he is a

877
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 5: little bit. Lighter you, know you'd like to see him

878
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: at three, fifteen three twenty doing those same things at

879
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: three oh. Five he's got to probably put on a

880
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: little bit more weight to play a. Interia he's got

881
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 5: the body type of.

882
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: DUDE i talked to him down to senior him, Though, yeah,

883
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah Jamari, Calbwell Omar norman lot uh and then There

884
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: alaska on here is Diom, walker Who i'm not.

885
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 5: A fan of it. All, NO i don't like him at.

886
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 5: All yeah too, Upright, yeah, yeah he does not Have

887
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 5: he does not have mee been at all at. All.

888
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: YEAH i said he's he's a, younger a little, better

889
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: a little better version Of dan.

890
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 5: Mcculors, yeah, YEAH i think that that'd probably be pretty pretty.

891
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: Accurate, yeah, yeah one or two of the reps you go, wow,

892
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: yeah every once in a while you go that look pretty,

893
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: good and then where's the?

894
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 5: Consistency, yeah and then you, go oh, boy back to.

895
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 7: This.

896
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah but this this draft even goes deeper than just those.

897
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: GUYS i, mean there are there are twenty five of

898
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: those guys in this draft that you, know this right

899
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: up could have gone on and on with that defensive tackle.

900
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: Class to where you can get two of. These you

901
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: can take one in the first round that's gonna be,

902
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: well we'll pencil him in as that, starter you. Know,

903
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: yeah and then another guy that we're gonna he's gonna

904
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: be in the rotation somewhere in the fourth round and

905
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: the fifth. Round that there's gonna be some value there

906
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: at that position.

907
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: Because they're gonna. Fall you, know there's gonna be runs

908
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 5: at other. POSITIONS i, mean we talked about that running

909
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: back class that's gonna that's gonna chew up a lot

910
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 5: with teams wanted to get that second back and then

911
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 5: ya and just have a third back in there because

912
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 5: the MORE i got, them the less you got you,

913
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: know type of. Deal and that's what happens at day,

914
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 5: two right you start. Postrating so there's are there are

915
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 5: gonna be guys that fall because you're not looking for

916
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: interior defensive linemen. Necessarily, earlier they.

917
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: Din't even Mentioned phillips Or west or, Yeah Tim, smith

918
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 6: who's a lot like y'all y'all. BLACK i mean like

919
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 6: there's a lot of dudes that are gonna be mid round,

920
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 6: picks that are gonna be quality.

921
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 7: Players, Yeah i'd love to see The steelers get two of.

922
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: Them, now that'd be that'd be really. Nice AND i,

923
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: mean LIKE i, said people that keep mocking quarterbacks to,

924
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: US i keep mocking the mockers to be. Mocked you

925
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: bet with one of them this? MORNING i. DID i,

926
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 5: WAS i, WAS i was, like, dude, no we're going

927
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: all the arrows point to. This stop Saying Jackson darter

928
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: Or Shader sanders.

929
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: And Jaln milroe that's the other.

930
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 7: In the FIRST i think there's even two sides of. That.

931
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 6: Max it's like everyone keeps walking quarterbacks Of steelers and

932
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 6: hardly anyone's walking d tackles and The, STEELERS i, mean

933
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 6: you still see.

934
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: One of. THEM i, WAS i was, like, listen first of,

935
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: all tests not making that far and be, no we

936
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: don't We did you not see the dk metcatch.

937
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: Right right right? Right the second round pick was a wide. Receiver,

938
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: yes we've already picked the wide. Receiver it's going to

939
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 4: be a d.

940
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 5: Tackle.

941
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah SO i, mean just if you're reading the mock

942
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: dress and they're going to start coming out even more

943
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: as we get closer and closer to the, draft realize

944
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: that The steelers are taking a.

945
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 5: Defensive, line we're twenty six days. Out, guys, yeah stop

946
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 5: being stop being. Salacious look at.

947
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 6: The holes in the, roster look at the team, building

948
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: look at the, needs look at what's.

949
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: Available, really the only other POSITION i could see is

950
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: if Like omari And hampton is available at twenty, one

951
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: And i'd be, like if they did, That i'd be,

952
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: like all, RIGHT i get, THAT i understand.

953
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: It but, also we've done offense the last two years

954
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: in the first. Round, YEAH i don't think they're going

955
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: to go three years in a. Row draft.

956
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: Again this draft is so deep in running backs THAT.

957
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: I can go get them in a round. Three. Yeah.

958
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: Yeah And i'm still gonna get a pretty darn good one,

959
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 5: too yeah yeah.

960
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah and that's just the way that that's that's really

961
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: the nature of that. Position so, anyways let's get to a.

962
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Break He's Max, starks That's Matt. WILLIAMSON i Am Dale.

963
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: Lally you're listening to the drive here In Palm, Beach,

964
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: florida here at The Breakers hotel on the island here

965
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: the ocean just a little bit over, there AND i

966
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: don't than what do they call?

967
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: That is that the inlet? INLET i guess on the

968
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 5: other side of us. Here it's technically it's still ocean. Water, yeah, yeah.

969
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: We're about it's got to be about a mile.

970
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 5: Wide, yeah if that not, Far, yeah it's not far at. All,

971
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 5: yeah BUT i could jog across the bridge without going

972
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 5: completely out of.

973
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: Breath it's beautiful though, here and if you haven't been,

974
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: here you should get down here at some. Point but,

975
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: anyways let's get to a. Break we'll be back with

976
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: more right.

977
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: After this is The drive With Dale lolly And Matt

978
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: williamson on your twenty four to seven home of The

979
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: black And Gold Steelers Nation.

980
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: Radio and welcome. Back I'm Dale lolly here With Max.

981
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: Starks this being The drive In Palm, Beach, florida and

982
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: the league meetings taking place here And, max while the

983
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: league is they didn't.

984
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: They tabled the toush push.

985
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Conversation what they are going to discuss, though at future

986
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: meetings is whether and this was something that are or

987
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: Any the second.

988
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: Brought up earlier today when we talked to.

989
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: Him, okay if you're going to ban the tush, push

990
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: then what about plays down the field exactly where the

991
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: running back has stood up and then the offensive lineman

992
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: come in and pushing from that second wave.

993
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: Of which used to be.

994
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 5: Illegal, yeah trust.

995
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Me AND i KNOW i.

996
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: Know or, guys if you've ever seen the photo or

997
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: the the, video every Time John runyon comes out with with, something,

998
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: uh you, know some kind of ruling about something and

999
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: discipline somebody immediately somebody go back to the the old

1000
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: video Of John runyon diving across the pile to nail

1001
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: somebody on the other side of the pile clean up

1002
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: duty all.

1003
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 5: FIVE i got that a couple of, times you. KNOW

1004
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 5: i was like, like, listen, listen don't don't pop up

1005
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 5: out of the. Hole, second get hit whack them all. Style.

1006
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah so and this and this was kind of arts point. Today, okay,

1007
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: so if if you're going to outlaw the tush, push

1008
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: but you're going to allow the aiding of the runner

1009
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: down the, field tell me what the difference.

1010
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 5: Is exactly, exactly just because it doesn't start as. SUCH

1011
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 5: i was, like so you can end, it but you

1012
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: can't start like, That.

1013
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: And how are you how would you write that? Rule

1014
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: you can't you can't aid the.

1015
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: Quarterback, well a lot.

1016
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Of sometimes it's not a. Quarterback sometimes it's a tight.

1017
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: End it's taking the direct. Stop we're running back just

1018
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: taking a direct. Snap so, THERE i think that's where

1019
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: the discussion has to. Go AND i think that's why

1020
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: because we talked about. This you don't legislate the rules

1021
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: at this, meeting.

1022
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: Right that's that happens before you get, here simply a,

1023
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 5: vote but you can ask a question about it for.

1024
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 5: CLARIFICATION i think too many questions got to asked for.

1025
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 5: Clarification that's why they tabled it and did not actually

1026
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 5: go with the ruling on, it because of like you,

1027
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 5: said when does the, pushboard when can it? Start when

1028
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 5: can it? End if you're not going to say that

1029
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 5: a quarterback has started at the, beginning and how does

1030
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 5: that affect other? Things so then too many questions came,

1031
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 5: up so they, said all, right nix.

1032
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: It here's my problem with.

1033
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: IT i think back to the game The steelers played

1034
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: Against Kansas city On Christmas. Day pass at the end

1035
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: of the first, half there's a pass out to the

1036
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: flat To George, pickens a little quick.

1037
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: Out, yeah he catches the.

1038
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: Football first guy comes, in hits, him doesn't get him

1039
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: on the. Ground the second guy comes in and actually

1040
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: hits the defender that's trying to Tackle george and knocks

1041
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: him off And george goes running down the sideline for

1042
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: probably what would have been a, touchdown which would have

1043
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: given The steelers a lead at that. Point, instead because

1044
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: the first guy stood him, up they blew the whistle.

1045
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 5: Dead, yeah which was, like are you serious at that?

1046
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: Moment like his mot just because you said he stopped

1047
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 5: his moment he, did he was turning and he was

1048
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 5: moving to.

1049
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: Flay, yeah if he's in the middle of the, field

1050
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: immediately there's somebody there maybe coming in from behind to

1051
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: aid him along and push him farther down the. Field

1052
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: so you know you're gonna, say, well it's only outside

1053
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: the numbers that we're gonna blow the whistle dead right.

1054
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 5: Away and if you're.

1055
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: In the, middle if you're in between the, hashes push, away.

1056
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: Yeah keep, going, yeah keep.

1057
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: Going so to, me that's the one LIKE.

1058
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily like the aiding of the runner BECAUSE

1059
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: i can understand how that could get dangerous when If i'm,

1060
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Again i'm one hundred and ninety five, pounds if you

1061
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: come running in from behind me and hit me As

1062
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: i'm stood up by somebody, else it's gonna leave a.

1063
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 5: Mark. Yeah at, worse it's gonna be some lower back.

1064
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: Issues, yeah, right, Week so how is that less dangerous

1065
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: than than a regular? Play it's actually more dangerous because

1066
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: it's being you're being.

1067
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 5: Rewarded to do.

1068
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: That yeah you're saying, That, yeah, yeah because we're gonna

1069
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: get another eight.

1070
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: Yards we're gonnaet another ten. Yards so you can't stop us.

1071
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: If you get two linemen that meet up there and

1072
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 5: then they're taking, them or you know a couple of

1073
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 5: times when the guy kind of pulls the belt and

1074
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: kind of kind of kind of angles him and pushes him,

1075
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: through and we've seen guys getting sling shotted into the end, zone, Right,

1076
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 5: yeah you know a couple of times where guys are

1077
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 5: stood up in like the one yard, line lineman comes

1078
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 5: in does does a little quarter quarter, roll it kind

1079
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: of launches the guy over. Him so it's like you

1080
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: have to make sure there's a consistent rule that is

1081
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: not left up for, interpretation right, Absolutely like this is

1082
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: an ice.

1083
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Skating what's what's to stop somebody in a short yardage

1084
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: situation at the goal line from immediately Having, well you're

1085
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: my tight end is going to go in, motion he's

1086
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: going to drop to all. Fours my running back's gonna

1087
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: get a running, start jump on his, back and vault

1088
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: over the.

1089
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: Line, exactly what's the. Difference or you're saying we're running

1090
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 5: an a, Gap we're gonna a gap, dive AND i

1091
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: have a three hundred pound running defensive lineman playing the fullback. Position,

1092
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 5: yeah that's now going to be the wedge that you're

1093
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 5: going to want to, push. RIGHT i, mean there's so

1094
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 5: many different variations where you can kind of loophole the.

1095
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 5: Rule so you have to make sure that you're making

1096
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: a rule that's kind of blanket to be, encompassing and

1097
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: it's got to be. Bulletproof it's like.

1098
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: What Mike tomlin mentioned when he when he, said WHEN

1099
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: i first saw the tush, PUSH i thought that has

1100
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: to be illegal because you Can't you can't aid somebody

1101
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: on a field goal attempt or a pat. Attempt, exactly

1102
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to touch anybody if you're vaulting over

1103
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: the line and you come in contact with anybody at

1104
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: all on the defense high for your shoe, grazes its foul.

1105
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 5: A human because because it's a dangerous. Play, yeah because player. Safety, Right,

1106
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 5: yeah you don't know what you're jumping. Over it's, like you,

1107
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: know it's like the old. Thing you, know you, jump

1108
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 5: you jump over the, wall don't realize there's remote. There

1109
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: same thing like you're jumping over you don't know if

1110
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 5: you're gonna land on the on the achilles of a

1111
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 5: guy that's pushing, forward you, know to, block you, know

1112
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 5: or that guy twists his ankle or knee as he, lands.

1113
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: Or him you shoved him down and the next guy

1114
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: comes in and knees him in the.

1115
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 5: Head because now you now you have an impact. Injury

1116
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: SO i, mean you can create a. Concussion so there

1117
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 5: were just too many variables to that. Motion so you

1118
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 5: got rid of. It same thing can. Happen he has

1119
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 5: not a, Concussion and, yeah the guy's not you, know

1120
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 5: completely in the. Air But i've seen plenty of scrums

1121
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: where that running back's. Toes you, know he's doing a

1122
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 5: little tippy. Toes he's up in the middle of the

1123
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 5: scrum but moving forward because somebody is aiding. Him guy

1124
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: grabs the back of the.

1125
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: Belt you could have taken, archer put him under your,

1126
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Arm Polly pocket style and just start running with.

1127
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: It and then throw them into the ends in the

1128
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: last ten. Yards, hey you're.

1129
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 5: Good javelin throw? Them, YEAH i mean you, know and

1130
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 5: there's many a time listen, listen, now did we have

1131
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: many of moments whereas like We're willie you get downfield

1132
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 5: And Willie caugas and you, know LIKE i, said clear the,

1133
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 5: pile get then extra yard or. Two, yeah we had

1134
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 5: a couple of those rack as, Well Rashard. Mendenhall but

1135
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 5: at the end of the, day like you want to

1136
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 5: make sure there's a safe and consistent, play AND i

1137
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: think the tush push just opens up all that interpretation

1138
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 5: because if you're gonna go ban, it, now where does

1139
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 5: the banning. Stop if you're gonna.

1140
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: Ban that yet allow the poushing down the field that

1141
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: it's not you're not being equal.

1142
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 5: With your rules and you're only targeting one or two, teams,

1143
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: yeah versus overall health of the team of the league

1144
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 5: itself and making it equitable for thirty two. Teams you're

1145
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: just punishing two teams because they do it. Well, yeah

1146
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 5: and you can't stop it and you're just.

1147
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: Mad so, AGAIN i have no problem just getting rid

1148
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: of all.

1149
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 5: That it used to be. Illegal, yeah he was not

1150
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 5: allowed to aid the. Runner, No, no it used to

1151
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 5: be a long standing illegal. Rule and then you kind

1152
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 5: of brought it back and somebody figured out a loophole in. It,

1153
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: Yeah so if you're gonna do, it make, it, conceive

1154
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: get rid of all the rugby.

1155
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: Scrums, yeah either everybody can rugby scrum or nobody can

1156
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: rugby shrum.

1157
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 5: Then you, know or didn't go play rugby if you want,

1158
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 5: that play or go watch. It The seven's In vegas every.

1159
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 5: Year i'm just saying you can go. There, yeah it's

1160
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 5: really fun to watch The New. Zealand let's get to another.

1161
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: Break he Is Mac, STARKS i Am Dale. Lolly Matt

1162
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: williamson will be back here at some. Point but this

1163
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: is The drive on The Steelers Audio network On Steelers Nation,

1164
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: radio and we are here At West, pump Not West Palm,

1165
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: Beach Palm, beach at The Breakers County, county Bom Beach.

1166
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: County i'll get it right by the time we've done

1167
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: with the show, Today i'll get it.

1168
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: Right but that's going to do it for hour number.

1169
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: Two we'll be back with our bonus hour number three

1170
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: right after this