WEBVTT - Episode 184 : King Von Documentary Heated Debate | Feat Trap Lore Ross | Part 3 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.560 Make Eck a legend, though legend, and what. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:06.680 I think. I think he's a legend of reporting. I 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.080 think this is the thing, right, I don't so. I 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:10.600 think going back to what you were saying a minute ago, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.920 for example, the complex top thirty media personalities or whatever, right, 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.040 I think it's for me, I would probably say number 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.520 one media personality in hip hop full stop. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:26.120 Probably Charlemagne. Yeah, that's on every That's what I'm saying. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.400 When they when they had to listen, he wasn't number one, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.240 and they called it a power rank, and I knew 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:30.479 it was. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.560 Probably Charlemagne has to be number one. I think even 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.760 Ac would probably agree. You know, I've heard act in 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.680 many interviews say he was inspired by Charlemagne. And the 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.879 reason I think Charlemagne is number one isause I think 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.200 Charlemagne can do it all. He's author, He writes books 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.400 on very positive topics. You know, he's got that Black 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.720 Privileged book, and he's actually doing good, trying to spread 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.400 ideas in a way that is you know, hey, maybe 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.640 one day I could write a book. I think it 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.840 takes a lot of the intelligence, a lot of a 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.040 lot of brain power to write now actual book. He 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.080 can also interview people. He's got top shelf interviews with 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.040 the best rappers you could name for decades, so he 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.600 can nail that. And also, you know, he's a good debater, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.240 he's a good content creator. He's made shows, he's hosted shows. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:20.240 Charlamage is Charlad's all around, he's hard man facts, and 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.120 he's been around. You know, he's been doing it for 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.440 a long time and he's stayed on top. You know, 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.160 that's that's undeniable. I think the reason I think Ac 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.240 is the best in his space. I think it's like 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.039 what space. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.840 It's like, this is what I'm saying. It's just not 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:35.400 that's not a space. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.720 That's that's when you board do that, like if you 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.000 pay attention. Twitch realized that he was dumb enough that 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:43.959 he was going to do this anyway. This isn't a 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.759 business for this guy. This guy is just has nothing 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.880 to do. Stop paying him. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.720 But hey, listen, like I we're here talking about him, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:53.800 so he's doing something. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.960 No, No, I'm not saying he's not relevant, right, relevant. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.080 See I'm giving him that, right. A lot of the 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.480 Homeboys they now act is relevant. He has a big platform. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.840 Not taking that from him, I'm saying that it's not 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.120 a real thing, this legendary, this top of the space 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.080 of what space. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.120 Okay, here's I'm gonna say something controversial, and I know 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.680 a lot of people aren't gonna feel this. You might 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.080 you might not be feeling this either. I think the 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.560 War in chi Iraq series is says a lot more 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.640 positive stuff about act than people give him credit for. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:27.880 I know a lot of people say the War in 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.680 ch Iraq, he's belittling these situations that are really deadly 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.280 in Chicago, and he was making light of that stuff. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.640 If people want to say that, fair enough. But what 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.080 I think a lot of people forget is that like 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.760 now Chyraq and Chicago drill music has become the biggest 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.200 thing in hip hop. Academics had his finger on that 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.000 pulse back in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, when ain't nobody 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.400 heard about or was interested in Chicago hip hop. And 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.760 whether or not you believe that he approached those topics 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.960 with the sensitivity that they deserved, that's another debate. But 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.120 you can't deny the Academics was report in Chicago drill. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:00.639 He was had his. 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.040 Finger on the pulse and he's for damn near That 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.320 was like ten years ago, the Warren Trirack started. He 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.000 has maintained that relevancy for ten years. If people love him, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.800 they hate him. But even now, we're gonna go on 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.680 axt page and we're gonna see the Young Boy and 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.440 the Little Dirk Beef updates before anyone else has got them. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.400 And let's be real, that is the number one story 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:17.639 going on. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.320 But that's not a contribute to academics. That's a contribute 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.359 to Dirk and Young Boy. You see like you're there, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.040 You're there. Maybe it's a mix, but there's a lot 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.799 of people there because oh he's finna say like he's 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.639 on the Young Boy thing. That's why the podcast has 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.000 an exclusive deal with Spotify, and it barely even charts. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.600 It'd be like number nine and ten. I know that's 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.400 disappointed for Spotify. We pay you, we pay you millions 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.119 of dollars and we can't. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.120 Even keep you number one. For people whose. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:52.000 Podcast available everywhere, he's consistently under million dollars worth a game, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.680 consistently under Joe Biden, consistently under Adam Like he's I 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.560 ain't gonna say Adam, he's over Adam. But he's consistently 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.720 under some of the biggest podcast, and it's like, all right, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.200 So when he's able to talk about some of these 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.960 hot button topics, a lot of the driver of the 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.760 audience is there because it is a hot button topic. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.800 It ain't because of his perspective or what he's saying. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.440 Here's the argument against that, his argument against that. And 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.160 I agree with some of what you said, but I 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.039 think with the with academics. When his podcast first came 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.400 out and he had that big debut where he had 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.120 what do you have? He had Whack one hundred and 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.039 six nine debating, which was crazy, Like I know, like 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.640 bear in mind, hip hop has changed so much in 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.040 the last few years, you forget that. Like when that 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.440 first off the record episode happened with Super Snitch six ' 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.400 nine and Super Solid Street Dude Whack one hundred in 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.679 the same room at the same table. That was crazy 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.360 and that was number one bus. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.359 So you know what they're saying to me, he poured 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.279 the trigger too early, But it was cool because he 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.120 had to pour the trigger in because he just got 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.400 the beg before before let me explain, let me explain 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.800 the primise, he just got the beg from Spotify. You 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.160 got to bag up Academics is unproven in podcasting. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:05.760 They knew nothing. They didn't know. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.159 They know he has a platform in an audience, but 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.880 as far as podcasting, he had no numbers. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:11.920 So what did they do. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.279 They had to go and negotiate, Hey, we'll give you 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.000 two or three episodes a week because you're gonna have 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.400 to pay us millions of dollars, but we'll give you 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.560 a couple of episodes a week to kind of make 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.880 sure the numbers stay in a good there. He got 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.480 some great people to negotiate form. But bro, that's one 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.240 of his first episodes. It's now time to renegotiate what 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.600 does he have since now won't even come see him 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:33.960 no more. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.320 But here's the thing I think Academics also, I gotta 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.080 give him credit because I understand what you're saying. I 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.359 think that when it comes to following the stories that 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.440 are popular in hip hop, I think the good The 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.200 one good thing that I think is really good about 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.520 Academics that he doesn't get enough credit for is that 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.680 I don't think he's scared of reporting on some of 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.080 the stories that maybe aren't gonna be number one hit, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.840 stories that are going to reach a million people. For example, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.400 you know, he invite me to be on Off the Record, right, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.600 I got on Off the Record episode and listen, I 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.720 think I'm awesome. I fucking love the content. I make 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.640 a great but like, I'm not a six to nine 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.440 level guy, right, I know that I can accept that 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.599 my egos is what it is. Like me going on 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.320 off the Record ain't gonna be his best week by 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.240 any means, you know what I mean, if he was 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:16.840 who he. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.719 Was, if he was legendary Wood. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.760 So what we're doing with Minds is we about to 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.440 build something like Rogan Gap, and we're gonna put the 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.560 money behind it, the resources, and most importantly the conversations 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.480 like this conversation right here. The mess is here. This 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.200 this is a golden nugget. This is nugget on the Internet. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.960 As long as you dropping nuggets on the internet, you know, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.320 you drop nuggets. As long as you dropping nuggets on 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:45.839 the Internet, You're gonna be okay. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.719 Bro, I agree, I agree. But I think I think 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.920 with Ac I think sometimes he is somebody that's not 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.800 scared to do a story that he's personally interested in. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.960 Like bear in mind, right, I've blown up loads in 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.040 the last month because of the whole all the attention 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.320 around this whole king vo controversy, but invite me onto 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.920 his podcast back in December, so he kind of saw. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.640 Act didn't validate you. Bro, your content is dope. This 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.680 is what I need for the young niggas watching me 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.480 because they'll trick you in this stupid ass game. You 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.240 don't need these niggas. They ain't never told me I 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.160 was dope. They bosses told me I was dope. The 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.880 niggas that cut they checks told me. I don't expect 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.800 academics to say long dope. He can't talk like me. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.680 I don't expect that. So, Bro, you didn't need him 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.080 him bringing you on this podcast helped him. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.000 He can't get a rapper to show up. You helped him. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:45.400 I meant, I'm telling you. I'm telling you your content 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.920 is dope. Academics didn't validate you. Spend hours on this ship, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.440 you put your hard work, and then you have dope content. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.040 People. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.520 You got the views this pruved, you got dope content. Bro, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.200 He ain't did none special bringing you own for an 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.160 exclusive contract that don't even reach half the people that 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.880 know him. Twenty twenty five percent of the people know him. Listen, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.320 to that shit. The other seventy five percent listen to 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.880 the shit like you saying they want to hear the 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.680 Newsy shit he's doing on that podcast. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.400 Shit is falling by the wayside. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.720 And so when you call dude a legend or legendary, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.640 I'm saying, all right, help me understand, because I can't 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.920 put together the business that he's put in place. He 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.280 lost his Twitch deal because they know thise yo, this 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.120 dude to do this for free guaranteed. If he won't, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.080 we'll pay him, but give him three months. If he 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.880 twitch over, he'll do this for free. He'll he so 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.160 much wont the clout. He went and got a Rumble 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.920 deal where they pay him, and he still go to 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.719 twitch for free. He might get your little you might 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.320 get your little subs and shit, but you got exclusive deal. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:57.600 It's like bru. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.280 At some point, I'm dropping nuggets, be like Joe Budden 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.960 was when Spotify paid Joe shut out the doors. This 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.200 is what we at We finished show them people coming. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.360 And that's what I'm saying about. What business have these 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.559 guys established? You hit me salute Charlemagne is the goat 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.120 of the space one percent. It's the business I'm looking 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.120 at Joe Budden now with the Patren shit going crazy, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.840 going Whillo and Gilly going crazy, drink Champ's crazy. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.280 It's the business. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.760 What business have have academics put in place? They make 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.640 you say he's legendary. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.840 Well, this is the thing, man. I'll be honest, like, 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.400 I'm pretty green when it comes to the podcast face. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.360 I don't really know the ins and outs of the 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.760 deals that people get other than I looked into Joe's 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.120 deal for my video and stuff. But I have respect 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:49.920 for academics, you know. I feel like he is somebody 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.360 that bear in mind. Put it this way, right, I 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.000 for a living, I look into these stories and I'm 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.880 constantly searching for information from the past. I'm looking for 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.880 what was the young boy But yeah, what was the 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.440 young boy controversy in twenty nineteen? And I look it 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.920 up and it's all academics reporting on it, you know 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.520 what I mean? And so I respect that. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:10.959 And I can do too. I do too. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.520 But I think it's our wasted bullets. I think it's 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.560 like shooting in the air, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.200 when it's business happening, I believe they have to be 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:20.000 shooting in the air. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:21.600 He just boom boom. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.600 But I don't think but I don't think academics. Obviously 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.400 he cares about money. He's got a nice house, he's 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 got nice cars. But I think he does strike And 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.199 you might disagree, but he does strike me as somebody 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.920 that genuinely loves hip hop. He genuinely loves hopping on 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.120 stream and talking shit about young boy and he would 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.240 do that for free. And I think I do respect that, 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:40.800 even if you know, I don't know the ins and 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.080 outs of his business. Maybe there's people that cut better deals, 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.160 maybe there's people that cut worse deals. But I just 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.400 think the guys love for hip hop, and the guy's hungry. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.360 Now, he didn't even grow up in it. I grew 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.920 up in it. He don't love it more than me. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.720 But that don't make me ignore the business. Anything I 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.280 ignore make me dumb. I ain't ignoring the obvious for nobody, right. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.320 My love for some don't make me stay with a 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.599 woman if she ain't doing me no well, if she, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.440 like I heard him say, somebody try to certain things 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.719 happen like bruh, you got to understand certain things call 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.600 for certain things. I'm not putting myself in a situation 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.920 to say I could be doing business, but I'll do 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.440 it for free. I love it that much like I 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.559 will do it for free. I've done it for free. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.440 Matter of fact, most of us is making money off this. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.840 We've done it for free. We've already done it for free. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.640 So when you in this position, I'm saying, this is 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.079 the time academics has to establish business like everybody else, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.200 because we talk in legacy and we don't know what 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.280 the fuck YouTube gonna be in twenty years. But if 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.960 you build you a back catalog of content like you 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.960 got that can be licensed, or you build you a 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.839 back catalog of content, right, this is business. You need 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.040 to be creating business, not get caught up in all 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.440 this fandom, all this. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.320 I'm a fan. I'm upsets. Let it right. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.560 Yeah yeah, Now do business too, though, enjoy yourself, but 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.839 do business. So I'm saying, legendary legacy are business men. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:16.000 When I want to have him under Charlemagne, Joe Charlemagne, academics. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:17.960 That was crazy? 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:18.360 Are we? 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:19.080 What? 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.520 Are you glad it's on the list. It makes me 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.160 We got Adam two million a month. There's so many 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:31.359 drink Wallow and Gilly what academics three with what business? 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.880 It was crazy. But this is the thing, bro, if 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.240 I have if I got to the point where I'm 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.319 trying to cut a podcast pot cost, still I need 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:40.200 you at my corner color. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:41.040 Yeah, I got you. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:42.760 You know you got you. You know your ship. Bro, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:43.840 I'm I'm new to. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.400 The We're gonna work on something behind the scenes. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.480 I'm definitely gonna try to put a play together, like 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.680 a big one, you know, with one of these big networks, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.920 because you know, I got the game. But I will 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.520 talk about that. We'll talk about you know that at 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.760 another time. How much time it will close up in 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.400 a minute. How much time do you spend on these documentaries, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.280 like saying, NBA Young Boy documentary, how much time are 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.719 you spending on it? 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.000 I would say on average, I would say it takes 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:19.679 me about probably, like for every hour that a video 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.960 is probably a month. So the King Von video took 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.440 me three months straight straight up. I didn't do nothing 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.480 else but look at King Von shit for three months. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.120 So with this young Boy thing, you know, I don't 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:32.959 I don't know how long it's gonna be. I'm still 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.000 I'm I thought I was further out. Probably I'm not 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.400 even halfway through. But I've been working on this for 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:43.960 over damn near two months now, and I feel like 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.000 maybe I need another month. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.079 It might be motherfuckers, man. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.040 Yeah, bro, it's long, but that usually i'd say, I'd 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.320 say like a month for for for an hour. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:54.960 You know. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.240 It's kind of like because back in the day, I 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.200 used to do like little fifteen to twenty minute videos, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.440 and I could do one of those in a week, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.960 you know, research the story, record it, get it edited 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.800 in like a week. But yeah, these long videos they 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.439 take a long time, man. And you know the way 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.360 it works is it's almost like I'll be researching, you know, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.079 for a month, and then I'll hand it off to 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.360 an editor. They might edit for a whole month while 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.400 I'm researching the next thing for a month. That makes sense. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.560 So yeah, they take a lot of time, man, And 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:19.720 you know, like I go back to what I was 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.520 saying earlier, you know, for for better or for worse. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.080 You know, I do have an obsession for hip hop, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.560 you know, I have an obsession for my work. I've 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:27.760 got an obsession for the Internet. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:27.960 You know. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.760 I love writing, I love researching, and I don't think 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 I would be able to do this, you know, look 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.840 at the same stories for months, or you know, sometimes 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.560 I work super late nights. I work, you know, I 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.400 can work all night long, just research and writing, listening 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.920 to music, making notes. And if I didn't love this shit, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.920 if I wasn't serious about it, if I was just 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.400 you know, a vulture, just trying to trying to steal 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.400 some music for clout and money, I wouldn't be able 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.080 to really commit to this. Because I love this shit. Man, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.920 I'm excited to get up in the morning and listen 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.080 to a mixtape I've not heard before and learn about 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.200 an artist and read about their in views and their backstories, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.440 like I love this shit. So you know, I spend 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.040 months on these stories, but I enjoy it. And it's 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.400 hard work, but it's very. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.800 So if you, let's say you got two months in 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.920 and you find out the story's no good, damn he 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.200 didn't do it, I want you to know that it's 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.560 okay to put it out with all that information in 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.960 at the end turns out he did none of this, right. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.040 I want you to know that that's okay, because I 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.520 don't want you to commit going in that yo, I 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.680 have to find these twelve murders and justify whatever this 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.320 is right, whatever they're saying. I'm looking to justify to 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.040 a point where again hammer looking for nail. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.600 I agree, and I am. I don't know, but this 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.440 next project, who knows, it might end up going that 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.480 way because I'm doing that research and you know, I'm 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.560 finding in stuff that's saying the one thing, stuff that's 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.280 saying the other thing. And you know, I agree. I 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.760 definitely don't want to give people the impression that I 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.120 get to these stories with like a false narrative or 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.280 I'm just trying to prove that everybody is the biggest, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.200 baddest gangster in the world. You know that's really not 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.840 the case. My thing is the truth. I want to 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.400 get the truth across. I want to get my opinion, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.880 but also like the facts and then for me to say, look, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.800 based on the fact, this is how I feel the 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.080 situation is, or this is how just and it's not. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:19.760 Look. 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.080 I know I'm an outsider to the culture, and I 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.520 can accept that. But what I am is I'm a 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.000 good researcher. I'm a very dedicated researcher, and I think 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.160 that you know, if I spend two months looking at something, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.400 my opinion on what all of that shit that I 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.920 spent two months looking at is still should be somewhat valid, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.920 And you know, I hope that people can see that, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.200 you know, whether it's a video about King von and 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.920 you know, the alleged murders, or whether it's a video 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.480 about you know, I don't know if you've seen other 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.200 recent stuff like Eminem and his wife and going through 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.920 this this crazy divorce that you know, completely affected his 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.440 career in every way. And you know, you can argue 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.240 that this relationship that's what got him hooked on drugs 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.520 and nearly killed him. So you know, I look into 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.280 these stories and I really try and learn everything and 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.680 call it how I see it. And you know, I 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.119 know a lot of people disagree with me, and you know, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.199 some people don't like me for certain reasons, or they 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:07.880 think that I shouldn't talk about what I talk about 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.159 or whatever, and you know, I understand where people are 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.760 coming from. But honestly, like I do just love hip hop, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.520 like you know, I do love writing making videos, and 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.280 you know, I just try and make videos for other 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.040 people that love hip hop and want to learn about art. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.760 Did you do you write everything down? Like is you 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.199 reading like a teleprompter or script. How do you how 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.480 do you communicate these things on camera? Because again you 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.760 do it with like you're not reading. You're doing a 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.560 great job, right, So how do you communicate these things 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:34.040 on camera? 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.920 Yeah, so it's funny. I only started using the teleprompt 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.600 to recently. I think the first video I used the 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.280 teleprompter run was and maybe the most three documentary that 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.600 I did last year. But you know what I do 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.800 is I tend to write. I do a lot of research. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.760 You know, I'll read all the rap lyrics, I'll watch 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.160 the music videos, I'll read the interviews, and I'll put 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.840 those into like a research document, usually in like chronological order. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.040 So it's like, you know, right now with this young 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.320 boy things ample, it's like, okay, I've just got like 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.639 background of where he's from, Baton Rouge, and then it's like, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.840 you know, his his life, his upbringing, and then it's like, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.760 you know, his first album, what did he say? What 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.760 were the events going on around him with the first album? 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.239 The next album, or you know, we get to his 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.119 court case, he goes to the court. What happened with 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.679