Speaker 1: Make Eck a legend, though legend, and what.
Speaker 2: I think. I think he's a legend of reporting. I
Speaker 2: think this is the thing, right, I don't so. I
Speaker 2: think going back to what you were saying a minute ago,
Speaker 2: for example, the complex top thirty media personalities or whatever, right,
Speaker 2: I think it's for me, I would probably say number
Speaker 2: one media personality in hip hop full stop.
Speaker 3: Probably Charlemagne. Yeah, that's on every That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When they when they had to listen, he wasn't number one,
Speaker 3: and they called it a power rank, and I knew
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Probably Charlemagne has to be number one. I think even
Speaker 2: Ac would probably agree. You know, I've heard act in
Speaker 2: many interviews say he was inspired by Charlemagne. And the
Speaker 2: reason I think Charlemagne is number one isause I think
Speaker 2: Charlemagne can do it all. He's author, He writes books
Speaker 2: on very positive topics. You know, he's got that Black
Speaker 2: Privileged book, and he's actually doing good, trying to spread
Speaker 2: ideas in a way that is you know, hey, maybe
Speaker 2: one day I could write a book. I think it
Speaker 2: takes a lot of the intelligence, a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of brain power to write now actual book. He
Speaker 2: can also interview people. He's got top shelf interviews with
Speaker 2: the best rappers you could name for decades, so he
Speaker 2: can nail that. And also, you know, he's a good debater,
Speaker 2: he's a good content creator. He's made shows, he's hosted shows.
Speaker 2: Charlamage is Charlad's all around, he's hard man facts, and
Speaker 2: he's been around. You know, he's been doing it for
Speaker 2: a long time and he's stayed on top. You know,
Speaker 2: that's that's undeniable. I think the reason I think Ac
Speaker 2: is the best in his space. I think it's like
Speaker 2: what space.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is what I'm saying. It's just not
Speaker 1: that's not a space.
Speaker 3: That's that's when you board do that, like if you
Speaker 3: pay attention. Twitch realized that he was dumb enough that
Speaker 3: he was going to do this anyway. This isn't a
Speaker 3: business for this guy. This guy is just has nothing
Speaker 3: to do. Stop paying him.
Speaker 2: But hey, listen, like I we're here talking about him,
Speaker 2: so he's doing something.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying he's not relevant, right, relevant.
Speaker 3: See I'm giving him that, right. A lot of the
Speaker 3: Homeboys they now act is relevant. He has a big platform.
Speaker 3: Not taking that from him, I'm saying that it's not
Speaker 3: a real thing, this legendary, this top of the space
Speaker 3: of what space.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's I'm gonna say something controversial, and I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't gonna feel this. You might
Speaker 2: you might not be feeling this either. I think the
Speaker 2: War in chi Iraq series is says a lot more
Speaker 2: positive stuff about act than people give him credit for.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people say the War in
Speaker 2: ch Iraq, he's belittling these situations that are really deadly
Speaker 2: in Chicago, and he was making light of that stuff.
Speaker 2: If people want to say that, fair enough. But what
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people forget is that like
Speaker 2: now Chyraq and Chicago drill music has become the biggest
Speaker 2: thing in hip hop. Academics had his finger on that
Speaker 2: pulse back in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, when ain't nobody
Speaker 2: heard about or was interested in Chicago hip hop. And
Speaker 2: whether or not you believe that he approached those topics
Speaker 2: with the sensitivity that they deserved, that's another debate. But
Speaker 2: you can't deny the Academics was report in Chicago drill.
Speaker 1: He was had his.
Speaker 2: Finger on the pulse and he's for damn near That
Speaker 2: was like ten years ago, the Warren Trirack started. He
Speaker 2: has maintained that relevancy for ten years. If people love him,
Speaker 2: they hate him. But even now, we're gonna go on
Speaker 2: axt page and we're gonna see the Young Boy and
Speaker 2: the Little Dirk Beef updates before anyone else has got them.
Speaker 2: And let's be real, that is the number one story
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 3: But that's not a contribute to academics. That's a contribute
Speaker 3: to Dirk and Young Boy. You see like you're there,
Speaker 3: You're there. Maybe it's a mix, but there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people there because oh he's finna say like he's
Speaker 3: on the Young Boy thing. That's why the podcast has
Speaker 3: an exclusive deal with Spotify, and it barely even charts.
Speaker 3: It'd be like number nine and ten. I know that's
Speaker 3: disappointed for Spotify. We pay you, we pay you millions
Speaker 3: of dollars and we can't.
Speaker 1: Even keep you number one. For people whose.
Speaker 3: Podcast available everywhere, he's consistently under million dollars worth a game,
Speaker 3: consistently under Joe Biden, consistently under Adam Like he's I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna say Adam, he's over Adam. But he's consistently
Speaker 3: under some of the biggest podcast, and it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: So when he's able to talk about some of these
Speaker 3: hot button topics, a lot of the driver of the
Speaker 3: audience is there because it is a hot button topic.
Speaker 1: It ain't because of his perspective or what he's saying.
Speaker 2: Here's the argument against that, his argument against that. And
Speaker 2: I agree with some of what you said, but I
Speaker 2: think with the with academics. When his podcast first came
Speaker 2: out and he had that big debut where he had
Speaker 2: what do you have? He had Whack one hundred and
Speaker 2: six nine debating, which was crazy, Like I know, like
Speaker 2: bear in mind, hip hop has changed so much in
Speaker 2: the last few years, you forget that. Like when that
Speaker 2: first off the record episode happened with Super Snitch six '
Speaker 2: nine and Super Solid Street Dude Whack one hundred in
Speaker 2: the same room at the same table. That was crazy
Speaker 2: and that was number one bus.
Speaker 3: So you know what they're saying to me, he poured
Speaker 3: the trigger too early, But it was cool because he
Speaker 3: had to pour the trigger in because he just got
Speaker 3: the beg before before let me explain, let me explain
Speaker 3: the primise, he just got the beg from Spotify. You
Speaker 3: got to bag up Academics is unproven in podcasting.
Speaker 1: They knew nothing. They didn't know.
Speaker 3: They know he has a platform in an audience, but
Speaker 3: as far as podcasting, he had no numbers.
Speaker 1: So what did they do.
Speaker 3: They had to go and negotiate, Hey, we'll give you
Speaker 3: two or three episodes a week because you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to pay us millions of dollars, but we'll give you
Speaker 3: a couple of episodes a week to kind of make
Speaker 3: sure the numbers stay in a good there. He got
Speaker 3: some great people to negotiate form. But bro, that's one
Speaker 3: of his first episodes. It's now time to renegotiate what
Speaker 3: does he have since now won't even come see him
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I think Academics also, I gotta
Speaker 2: give him credit because I understand what you're saying. I
Speaker 2: think that when it comes to following the stories that
Speaker 2: are popular in hip hop, I think the good The
Speaker 2: one good thing that I think is really good about
Speaker 2: Academics that he doesn't get enough credit for is that
Speaker 2: I don't think he's scared of reporting on some of
Speaker 2: the stories that maybe aren't gonna be number one hit,
Speaker 2: stories that are going to reach a million people. For example,
Speaker 2: you know, he invite me to be on Off the Record, right,
Speaker 2: I got on Off the Record episode and listen, I
Speaker 2: think I'm awesome. I fucking love the content. I make
Speaker 2: a great but like, I'm not a six to nine
Speaker 2: level guy, right, I know that I can accept that
Speaker 2: my egos is what it is. Like me going on
Speaker 2: off the Record ain't gonna be his best week by
Speaker 2: any means, you know what I mean, if he was
Speaker 2: who he.
Speaker 1: Was, if he was legendary Wood.
Speaker 3: So what we're doing with Minds is we about to
Speaker 3: build something like Rogan Gap, and we're gonna put the
Speaker 3: money behind it, the resources, and most importantly the conversations
Speaker 3: like this conversation right here. The mess is here. This
Speaker 3: this is a golden nugget. This is nugget on the Internet.
Speaker 3: As long as you dropping nuggets on the internet, you know,
Speaker 3: you drop nuggets. As long as you dropping nuggets on
Speaker 3: the Internet, You're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Bro, I agree, I agree. But I think I think
Speaker 2: with Ac I think sometimes he is somebody that's not
Speaker 2: scared to do a story that he's personally interested in.
Speaker 2: Like bear in mind, right, I've blown up loads in
Speaker 2: the last month because of the whole all the attention
Speaker 2: around this whole king vo controversy, but invite me onto
Speaker 2: his podcast back in December, so he kind of saw.
Speaker 3: Act didn't validate you. Bro, your content is dope. This
Speaker 3: is what I need for the young niggas watching me
Speaker 3: because they'll trick you in this stupid ass game. You
Speaker 3: don't need these niggas. They ain't never told me I
Speaker 3: was dope. They bosses told me I was dope. The
Speaker 3: niggas that cut they checks told me. I don't expect
Speaker 3: academics to say long dope. He can't talk like me.
Speaker 3: I don't expect that. So, Bro, you didn't need him
Speaker 3: him bringing you on this podcast helped him.
Speaker 1: He can't get a rapper to show up. You helped him.
Speaker 3: I meant, I'm telling you. I'm telling you your content
Speaker 3: is dope. Academics didn't validate you. Spend hours on this ship,
Speaker 3: you put your hard work, and then you have dope content.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 3: You got the views this pruved, you got dope content. Bro,
Speaker 3: He ain't did none special bringing you own for an
Speaker 3: exclusive contract that don't even reach half the people that
Speaker 3: know him. Twenty twenty five percent of the people know him. Listen,
Speaker 3: to that shit. The other seventy five percent listen to
Speaker 3: the shit like you saying they want to hear the
Speaker 3: Newsy shit he's doing on that podcast.
Speaker 1: Shit is falling by the wayside.
Speaker 3: And so when you call dude a legend or legendary,
Speaker 3: I'm saying, all right, help me understand, because I can't
Speaker 3: put together the business that he's put in place. He
Speaker 3: lost his Twitch deal because they know thise yo, this
Speaker 3: dude to do this for free guaranteed. If he won't,
Speaker 3: we'll pay him, but give him three months. If he
Speaker 3: twitch over, he'll do this for free. He'll he so
Speaker 3: much wont the clout. He went and got a Rumble
Speaker 3: deal where they pay him, and he still go to
Speaker 3: twitch for free. He might get your little you might
Speaker 3: get your little subs and shit, but you got exclusive deal.
Speaker 1: It's like bru.
Speaker 3: At some point, I'm dropping nuggets, be like Joe Budden
Speaker 3: was when Spotify paid Joe shut out the doors. This
Speaker 3: is what we at We finished show them people coming.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying about. What business have these
Speaker 3: guys established? You hit me salute Charlemagne is the goat
Speaker 3: of the space one percent. It's the business I'm looking
Speaker 3: at Joe Budden now with the Patren shit going crazy,
Speaker 3: going Whillo and Gilly going crazy, drink Champ's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's the business.
Speaker 3: What business have have academics put in place? They make
Speaker 3: you say he's legendary.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, man. I'll be honest, like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty green when it comes to the podcast face.
Speaker 2: I don't really know the ins and outs of the
Speaker 2: deals that people get other than I looked into Joe's
Speaker 2: deal for my video and stuff. But I have respect
Speaker 2: for academics, you know. I feel like he is somebody
Speaker 2: that bear in mind. Put it this way, right, I
Speaker 2: for a living, I look into these stories and I'm
Speaker 2: constantly searching for information from the past. I'm looking for
Speaker 2: what was the young boy But yeah, what was the
Speaker 2: young boy controversy in twenty nineteen? And I look it
Speaker 2: up and it's all academics reporting on it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And so I respect that.
Speaker 1: And I can do too. I do too.
Speaker 3: But I think it's our wasted bullets. I think it's
Speaker 3: like shooting in the air, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: when it's business happening, I believe they have to be
Speaker 3: shooting in the air.
Speaker 1: He just boom boom.
Speaker 2: But I don't think but I don't think academics. Obviously
Speaker 2: he cares about money. He's got a nice house, he's
Speaker 2: got nice cars. But I think he does strike And
Speaker 2: you might disagree, but he does strike me as somebody
Speaker 2: that genuinely loves hip hop. He genuinely loves hopping on
Speaker 2: stream and talking shit about young boy and he would
Speaker 2: do that for free. And I think I do respect that,
Speaker 2: even if you know, I don't know the ins and
Speaker 2: outs of his business. Maybe there's people that cut better deals,
Speaker 2: maybe there's people that cut worse deals. But I just
Speaker 2: think the guys love for hip hop, and the guy's hungry.
Speaker 3: Now, he didn't even grow up in it. I grew
Speaker 3: up in it. He don't love it more than me.
Speaker 3: But that don't make me ignore the business. Anything I
Speaker 3: ignore make me dumb. I ain't ignoring the obvious for nobody, right.
Speaker 3: My love for some don't make me stay with a
Speaker 3: woman if she ain't doing me no well, if she,
Speaker 3: like I heard him say, somebody try to certain things
Speaker 3: happen like bruh, you got to understand certain things call
Speaker 3: for certain things. I'm not putting myself in a situation
Speaker 3: to say I could be doing business, but I'll do
Speaker 3: it for free. I love it that much like I
Speaker 3: will do it for free. I've done it for free.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, most of us is making money off this.
Speaker 3: We've done it for free. We've already done it for free.
Speaker 3: So when you in this position, I'm saying, this is
Speaker 3: the time academics has to establish business like everybody else,
Speaker 3: because we talk in legacy and we don't know what
Speaker 3: the fuck YouTube gonna be in twenty years. But if
Speaker 3: you build you a back catalog of content like you
Speaker 3: got that can be licensed, or you build you a
Speaker 3: back catalog of content, right, this is business. You need
Speaker 3: to be creating business, not get caught up in all
Speaker 3: this fandom, all this.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm upsets. Let it right.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now do business too, though, enjoy yourself, but
Speaker 3: do business. So I'm saying, legendary legacy are business men.
Speaker 3: When I want to have him under Charlemagne, Joe Charlemagne, academics.
Speaker 2: That was crazy?
Speaker 1: Are we?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Are you glad it's on the list. It makes me
Speaker 3: We got Adam two million a month. There's so many
Speaker 3: drink Wallow and Gilly what academics three with what business?
Speaker 2: It was crazy. But this is the thing, bro, if
Speaker 2: I have if I got to the point where I'm
Speaker 2: trying to cut a podcast pot cost, still I need
Speaker 2: you at my corner color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: You know you got you. You know your ship. Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm new to.
Speaker 1: The We're gonna work on something behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna try to put a play together, like
Speaker 3: a big one, you know, with one of these big networks,
Speaker 3: because you know, I got the game. But I will
Speaker 3: talk about that. We'll talk about you know that at
Speaker 3: another time. How much time it will close up in
Speaker 3: a minute. How much time do you spend on these documentaries,
Speaker 3: like saying, NBA Young Boy documentary, how much time are
Speaker 3: you spending on it?
Speaker 2: I would say on average, I would say it takes
Speaker 2: me about probably, like for every hour that a video
Speaker 2: is probably a month. So the King Von video took
Speaker 2: me three months straight straight up. I didn't do nothing
Speaker 2: else but look at King Von shit for three months.
Speaker 2: So with this young Boy thing, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know how long it's gonna be. I'm still
Speaker 2: I'm I thought I was further out. Probably I'm not
Speaker 2: even halfway through. But I've been working on this for
Speaker 2: over damn near two months now, and I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe I need another month.
Speaker 1: It might be motherfuckers, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, it's long, but that usually i'd say, I'd
Speaker 2: say like a month for for for an hour.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like because back in the day, I
Speaker 2: used to do like little fifteen to twenty minute videos,
Speaker 2: and I could do one of those in a week,
Speaker 2: you know, research the story, record it, get it edited
Speaker 2: in like a week. But yeah, these long videos they
Speaker 2: take a long time, man. And you know the way
Speaker 2: it works is it's almost like I'll be researching, you know,
Speaker 2: for a month, and then I'll hand it off to
Speaker 2: an editor. They might edit for a whole month while
Speaker 2: I'm researching the next thing for a month. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they take a lot of time, man, And
Speaker 2: you know, like I go back to what I was
Speaker 2: saying earlier, you know, for for better or for worse.
Speaker 2: You know, I do have an obsession for hip hop,
Speaker 2: you know, I have an obsession for my work. I've
Speaker 2: got an obsession for the Internet.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I love writing, I love researching, and I don't think
Speaker 2: I would be able to do this, you know, look
Speaker 2: at the same stories for months, or you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I work super late nights. I work, you know, I
Speaker 2: can work all night long, just research and writing, listening
Speaker 2: to music, making notes. And if I didn't love this shit,
Speaker 2: if I wasn't serious about it, if I was just
Speaker 2: you know, a vulture, just trying to trying to steal
Speaker 2: some music for clout and money, I wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to really commit to this. Because I love this shit. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to get up in the morning and listen
Speaker 2: to a mixtape I've not heard before and learn about
Speaker 2: an artist and read about their in views and their backstories,
Speaker 2: like I love this shit. So you know, I spend
Speaker 2: months on these stories, but I enjoy it. And it's
Speaker 2: hard work, but it's very.
Speaker 3: So if you, let's say you got two months in
Speaker 3: and you find out the story's no good, damn he
Speaker 3: didn't do it, I want you to know that it's
Speaker 3: okay to put it out with all that information in
Speaker 3: at the end turns out he did none of this, right.
Speaker 3: I want you to know that that's okay, because I
Speaker 3: don't want you to commit going in that yo, I
Speaker 3: have to find these twelve murders and justify whatever this
Speaker 3: is right, whatever they're saying. I'm looking to justify to
Speaker 3: a point where again hammer looking for nail.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I am. I don't know, but this
Speaker 2: next project, who knows, it might end up going that
Speaker 2: way because I'm doing that research and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: finding in stuff that's saying the one thing, stuff that's
Speaker 2: saying the other thing. And you know, I agree. I
Speaker 2: definitely don't want to give people the impression that I
Speaker 2: get to these stories with like a false narrative or
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to prove that everybody is the biggest,
Speaker 2: baddest gangster in the world. You know that's really not
Speaker 2: the case. My thing is the truth. I want to
Speaker 2: get the truth across. I want to get my opinion,
Speaker 2: but also like the facts and then for me to say, look,
Speaker 2: based on the fact, this is how I feel the
Speaker 2: situation is, or this is how just and it's not.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I know I'm an outsider to the culture, and I
Speaker 2: can accept that. But what I am is I'm a
Speaker 2: good researcher. I'm a very dedicated researcher, and I think
Speaker 2: that you know, if I spend two months looking at something,
Speaker 2: my opinion on what all of that shit that I
Speaker 2: spent two months looking at is still should be somewhat valid,
Speaker 2: And you know, I hope that people can see that,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's a video about King von and
Speaker 2: you know, the alleged murders, or whether it's a video
Speaker 2: about you know, I don't know if you've seen other
Speaker 2: recent stuff like Eminem and his wife and going through
Speaker 2: this this crazy divorce that you know, completely affected his
Speaker 2: career in every way. And you know, you can argue
Speaker 2: that this relationship that's what got him hooked on drugs
Speaker 2: and nearly killed him. So you know, I look into
Speaker 2: these stories and I really try and learn everything and
Speaker 2: call it how I see it. And you know, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people disagree with me, and you know,
Speaker 2: some people don't like me for certain reasons, or they
Speaker 2: think that I shouldn't talk about what I talk about
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you know, I understand where people are
Speaker 2: coming from. But honestly, like I do just love hip hop,
Speaker 2: like you know, I do love writing making videos, and
Speaker 2: you know, I just try and make videos for other
Speaker 2: people that love hip hop and want to learn about art.
Speaker 3: Did you do you write everything down? Like is you
Speaker 3: reading like a teleprompter or script. How do you how
Speaker 3: do you communicate these things on camera? Because again you
Speaker 3: do it with like you're not reading. You're doing a
Speaker 3: great job, right, So how do you communicate these things
Speaker 3: on camera?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's funny. I only started using the teleprompt
Speaker 2: to recently. I think the first video I used the
Speaker 2: teleprompter run was and maybe the most three documentary that
Speaker 2: I did last year. But you know what I do
Speaker 2: is I tend to write. I do a lot of research.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll read all the rap lyrics, I'll watch
Speaker 2: the music videos, I'll read the interviews, and I'll put
Speaker 2: those into like a research document, usually in like chronological order.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, right now with this young
Speaker 2: boy things ample, it's like, okay, I've just got like
Speaker 2: background of where he's from, Baton Rouge, and then it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, his his life, his upbringing, and then it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, his first album, what did he say? What
Speaker 2: were the events going on around him with the first album?
Speaker 2: The next album, or you know, we get to his
Speaker 2: court case, he goes to the court. What happened with
Speaker 2: the court case? Did he win, did he lose? What
Speaker 2: happened he gets out what's the next album? So I
Speaker 2: try and get all of that info lined up, and
Speaker 2: then once I feel like I've learned everything, I then
Speaker 2: try and write it in my voice with you know
Speaker 2: what I've learned, like my perspective of like, Okay, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, there's this lyric and then this happened. I
Speaker 2: think that that means this is where his head was
Speaker 2: aut at the time he wrote this lyric, or you
Speaker 2: know clearly he was going through some shit because he
Speaker 2: said this and then this happened, and you know he
Speaker 2: went through a difficult case or dude got addicted to
Speaker 2: drugs or whatever. And so I'll kind of write that
Speaker 2: up until I get to the point where I feel
Speaker 2: like I've explained everything that happened. It's like I don't
Speaker 2: want to just throw up a lyric and not say anything.
Speaker 2: I want to throw up a lyric and say, what
Speaker 2: does this mean?
Speaker 1: Like was he trying to say wonder stuff? Don It's it's.
Speaker 2: Really a case of, like, you know, just me lining
Speaker 2: it all up and just trying to give my interpretation.
Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: people maybe don't like that I give my opinion, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's kind of like, look, if
Speaker 2: we've got a lyric where Young Boys saying I've got
Speaker 2: twelve bodies, I think it's reasonable to be able to say, look,
Speaker 2: young boy released an album. He's got two or three
Speaker 2: lyrics on there where he's talking about doing drive bys
Speaker 2: and catching bodies. And you know what I think this
Speaker 2: means is that this is a point when Young Boy
Speaker 2: is at a time in his career where he wants to,
Speaker 2: you know, let his ops or whatever know that he's
Speaker 2: he's still here, he's still standing. You know, he's really
Speaker 2: trying to let people know that he's not affected by
Speaker 2: the drama going on. And it's it's stuff like this,
Speaker 2: this might be something useful. Something I really try and
Speaker 2: do is I try and write stories in a way
Speaker 2: that somebody that didn't know much about hip hop, or
Speaker 2: even somebody that just somebody that's a casual listener but
Speaker 2: they don't know Young like they've heard two Young Boy songs.
Speaker 2: I try and write things in a way so that
Speaker 2: somebody that doesn't know anything about him can still understand it.
Speaker 2: I try not to have too much like context of
Speaker 2: like you have to have heard all of Young boys
Speaker 2: albums to get one talking about he mentions this person,
Speaker 2: like I try and explain, like if young boy mentions
Speaker 2: one of his friends is always there for him. Or
Speaker 2: for example, with the Young Boy's story, you know, in
Speaker 2: a lot of songs, he mentions rip Lil Dave. A
Speaker 2: lot of people might know what that means. Or he
Speaker 2: says I put this on Dave, I swear on Dave,
Speaker 2: and it might be it's like, okay, let me explain
Speaker 2: to people. You know, young boy releases this album and
Speaker 2: he mentions his friend littl Dave numerous times, and then
Speaker 2: I'll say Lil Dave was a friend of his when
Speaker 2: he was you know, he was a teenager. Unfortunately ended
Speaker 2: up losing their life and this was, you know, the
Speaker 2: first person he lost, and this ended up affecting him
Speaker 2: and this went on to affect his music and the
Speaker 2: way he saw the world. So it's really trying to
Speaker 2: explain that to somebody. If you're a dope Young Boys fan.
Speaker 3: Need to know that's dope right to even be able
Speaker 3: to there's something there. There's something special about being able
Speaker 3: to do that, dude. I want you to know that, right,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people in his industry, again, they
Speaker 3: know Yo, here's another thing. The people ahead that you
Speaker 3: will find you way before they tell anybody about you.
Speaker 3: So somebody like Academics inviting you to his podcast in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, he's been known about you since twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen type thing. Right, So I want you to know
Speaker 3: or just I want you to know that these people
Speaker 3: know you. These people know you're dope. They will never
Speaker 3: say it. I don't know why this industry is that way.
Speaker 3: I'm probably the only one that just gonna be like, Yo,
Speaker 3: it's something there, bro, hang in on that, like that
Speaker 3: little thing is something like I'm telling you, it's business
Speaker 3: right there, something you know what I mean, a lot
Speaker 3: of people not going for whatever reason. Bro. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to say that to you, but not even necessarily
Speaker 3: about young boy, right. I'm just more so wondering when
Speaker 3: you craft this shit up. It's just interesting to see
Speaker 3: how you do it. You know what I'm saying. Is
Speaker 3: the teleprompter affecting it?
Speaker 1: Is it good? Is it working well? Do you like
Speaker 1: that better?
Speaker 2: Or quite interesting? Man? No one's ever asked me this,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think the teleprompter is tricky because previously
Speaker 2: what I would do is I would literally you can't
Speaker 2: see it. But where I'm sat right now, I've got
Speaker 2: the camera there I'm looking at, and i got the
Speaker 2: screen where you're at. What I used to do is
Speaker 2: I would have my script on the screen where you are,
Speaker 2: and I would just read, you know, I'd literally would
Speaker 2: look at the sentence. I would just try and remember it,
Speaker 2: and I would turn to the camera and I would
Speaker 2: say it, and I would just do that. It would
Speaker 2: take me hours and hours. But back then I was
Speaker 2: doing shorter videos. But I think the reason why that's
Speaker 2: always been good is because you can tell that I'm
Speaker 2: not just reading a script. You might have seen there's
Speaker 2: a lot of channels out there where you've got dudes
Speaker 2: that just read to the teleprompter and it's words that
Speaker 2: they didn't write. It's random shit, And you can actually
Speaker 2: tell that when they're reading it, they're sort of saying
Speaker 2: like the sentences don't really work because they don't know
Speaker 2: what's coming. They're same and then NBA young boy would
Speaker 2: get in trouble because he got into a situation. But
Speaker 2: you can tell they don't know what's coming, Whereas I've
Speaker 2: written every word, so I know what's coming. So even
Speaker 2: though I'm reading it off a teleprompter. I know my
Speaker 2: intention and I know the tone. Like I know that
Speaker 2: if I'm talking about somebody that just lost their life,
Speaker 2: you know, I need to speak with a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a sensitive tone. I need to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, at two fifteen am, you know, somebody got
Speaker 2: out of a dark vehicle and open fire. You need
Speaker 2: to say that a bit more seriously than if you're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, young boy released his new album and it
Speaker 2: was lit. It was full of bangers, and he went
Speaker 2: number one, you know, and somebody that didn't write the
Speaker 2: content and didn't have a personal connection to it might
Speaker 2: not be able to do that. Because I do care
Speaker 2: about this shit. I don't want people to think I'm
Speaker 2: making light of somebody that got killed or whatever. You know,
Speaker 2: I have a personal connection with these stories. I'm passionate
Speaker 2: about them, like I write these scripts. Like for me,
Speaker 2: it's you know, a lot of people maybe don't give
Speaker 2: me credit for it, but like you'll notice, especially in
Speaker 2: like my video about FBG Dark or my video about
Speaker 2: you know, the Jacksonville kind of who I Smoke Beef,
Speaker 2: I always try and end videos with like some positive perspective,
Speaker 2: which is my opinion, Like I'll say things the Jacksonville video,
Speaker 2: for example, I kind of end by saying, look, we
Speaker 2: really need this violence to stop. We got trying, you know,
Speaker 2: we got try and see things better and try and
Speaker 2: see a positive outcome of this situation, because we've just
Speaker 2: got people dying on both sides and dissing each other,
Speaker 2: and it's just getting out of control. And I think
Speaker 2: it's like I think those touches where I just try
Speaker 2: and give a bit of extra perspective, or even in
Speaker 2: the King Von video, you know, I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people were upset that you're painting him as the
Speaker 2: serial killer. But if you watch the video carefully, you
Speaker 2: know there's a there's a segment at near the start
Speaker 2: of the video where I say, look, before we get
Speaker 2: any further, I just want to say King Von is
Speaker 2: a product of his environment. He grew up in a
Speaker 2: tough situation where it was kill or be killed. He
Speaker 2: had to defend herself and his people from these dangers,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, maybe some people don't care
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the apology after the murder. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, damn, you just shot my nephew and say
Speaker 3: it sorary. You know they're probably ain't the same kind
Speaker 3: of We appreciate that, but that don't outweigh that. You
Speaker 3: know this, that's the thing that's happening with that. But
Speaker 3: I wanted you to answer this. If if NBA young
Speaker 3: Boy join this stream right now, because I know Alex. Now,
Speaker 3: if inn being young would join this stream right now
Speaker 3: and say, hey, white boy, stay out of my business,
Speaker 3: what do you say to that.
Speaker 2: I'd probably say, like, keep your business off the Billboard charts.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: You know that he wants me to stay out of
Speaker 2: his business. But he just dropped two albums this month,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I got third, I got
Speaker 2: like fifty tracks to listen through. You know, I think
Speaker 2: I love Young Boy. You know, I respect him, I
Speaker 2: respect all of these artists. But I think I think
Speaker 2: if you're look, if you're a gangster and you're in
Speaker 2: the streets and you're really doing this stuff and you're
Speaker 2: keeping it real, you would not be telling people the
Speaker 2: things you did in the streets. I think when you
Speaker 2: become a rapper and you put yourself in the public sphere,
Speaker 2: you become a public figure. You're making music about your life,
Speaker 2: you're telling you're trying to share your story. You rappers
Speaker 2: want people to talk about them, So I think it's
Speaker 2: it's I think it's wrong for people to say, like
Speaker 2: Young Boy is going to release an album, it's gonna
Speaker 2: go number one on Billboard, it's gonna sell a hundred
Speaker 2: thousand copies, but I'm not allowed to talk about it
Speaker 2: or look into it. You know. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: just it's just an unrealistic expectation. You know, if you
Speaker 2: didn't want people looking into your life, you shouldn't have
Speaker 2: put it on a Billboard charting song. But that said,
Speaker 2: I actually think although a lot of people have come
Speaker 2: at me, for example, for King Von, a lot of
Speaker 2: people have defended me and said when King Von was alive,
Speaker 2: he wanted everyone to think he was the big killer.
Speaker 2: King Von was literally resharing videos of like things on
Speaker 2: World Star, of shootouts that he had letter was allegedly
Speaker 2: involved in, like Von, not to go too far back
Speaker 2: to Vaughn, but like, you know, Young Boy, for example,
Speaker 2: he's released an album called The Richest Op and it's
Speaker 2: full of all this stuff where he's kind of dissing
Speaker 2: his ops, going at his enemies. You know, it's he
Speaker 2: wants people to think of him as a tough guy,
Speaker 2: as a gangster. So I don't think he would really
Speaker 2: be upset, And I honestly.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure because it's it's the criminal element you
Speaker 3: putting together to make it cause again investigation.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been on the investigation.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that these days will could be used
Speaker 3: in those kind of scenarios, Like definitely, Man, they don't
Speaker 3: have an understanding of the culture. A lot of times
Speaker 3: they misrepresent words and they got to ask people inside
Speaker 3: the culture. That's why the CI is so important to
Speaker 3: the to the criminal element, to the police, is because
Speaker 3: without the CI, they don't even know what we communicate,
Speaker 3: and somebody might kind of say, hey, bring me to
Speaker 3: bring me to my ice man, and then pull up
Speaker 3: with some of that.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, I do get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from. It's like, for example,
Speaker 2: in the young boy situation, you know, it's I don't
Speaker 2: think it's fair to suggest like I'm responsible for him
Speaker 2: being investigated. For example, he just released the music video,
Speaker 2: right and in the music video he's got a lyric
Speaker 2: where he says, we're gonna lay his head on a
Speaker 2: pillow when we pull up on him, and in the
Speaker 2: music video, he's laying on the floor putting his head
Speaker 2: on a pillow and all these guys are over him
Speaker 2: going like this. And this is a reference to the
Speaker 2: murder of g Money, where a pillow was found at
Speaker 2: the crime scene and the you know, everyone says, ah,
Speaker 2: they threw a pillow on him after they shot him.
Speaker 2: Now that's not true. I know that's not true. It
Speaker 2: was a pillow that was left by the medical services
Speaker 2: that were there trying to save him after he got
Speaker 2: found shot. But young boys on a song talking about
Speaker 2: we're gonna lay his head on a pillow when we
Speaker 2: catch him, and he's in the music video on the
Speaker 2: ground with the pillow, dancing laughing. It would be wrong
Speaker 2: to say that he gets investigated because of me pointing
Speaker 2: that out when everybody in Baton Rouge knows that this
Speaker 2: guy got found dead with a pillow next to him,
Speaker 2: and everybody can see young boy dancing around on the
Speaker 2: floor with his pillow. So I do respect what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but I think it's almost like the incrimination has already occurred, but.
Speaker 3: We're changing words, and so I do want to let
Speaker 3: the youngsters know, young boy, and everybody is watching that
Speaker 3: that's irresponsible to take their kind of stance on music, right,
Speaker 3: If that does correlate, if that is a situation, I
Speaker 3: want us to move away from that. I can't tell
Speaker 3: a nigga what to do. But here's the thing. When
Speaker 3: we deal with an artist, when we deal with someone
Speaker 3: like him, I'm not saying you responsible. That's a word
Speaker 3: you used. I said you're adding to the investigation. So
Speaker 3: when you're under investigation, it's exactly what it is, an investigation.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: A lot of the investigation nowadays operates literally all off
Speaker 3: social media, and they verify or they look at YouTube
Speaker 3: as social media, right, so they literally go on YouTube
Speaker 3: type shit in and somebody like you, with the job
Speaker 3: that you do with this kind of shit, man, there's
Speaker 3: probably three or four police sitting down watching this shit.
Speaker 1: Your your documentary. I'm telling you this for sure.
Speaker 2: I just I don't believe it. I'm telling you thismentary. No.
Speaker 2: But here's here's what I'm trying to say my documentary.
Speaker 3: Whether they use it or not, I think you're confusing
Speaker 3: what I'm saying with them actually using your content in court.
Speaker 3: I'm saying just this the same way you look at
Speaker 3: academics without using his content and just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe that is a point, Maybe that kind of it's
Speaker 3: the same way the Fears or the State would look
Speaker 3: at some of those documentaries.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I just feel like you're giving me too
Speaker 2: much credit and you're not giving the state enough. For
Speaker 2: bear in mind, it's like, I've got a video, for example,
Speaker 2: King Von He's on his IG live and he's talking
Speaker 2: about I swear I've got more than five bodies, for example.
Speaker 2: Whether I understand that a lot of people believe that
Speaker 2: it's cap and he's maintaining a rapper image, fine, you
Speaker 2: know that's not my perspective, but fair enough. But I
Speaker 2: think the idea that the cops are seeing that in
Speaker 2: my video two years after it happened, rather than I
Speaker 2: think I'm one hundred percent sure that there is probably
Speaker 2: a Baton Rouge detective whose job it is to just
Speaker 2: watch all of young boys Instagram stories and music videos.
Speaker 2: So it's already happened.
Speaker 3: I've been on investigation, I got state charges, I got
Speaker 3: friends in the Fears, I've dealt with the Fears. I've
Speaker 3: spit hundreds of thousands of dollars on federal lawyers. I've
Speaker 3: been set up and snitched on myself, not my cousin,
Speaker 3: not my friend. They brought to people to bust me.
Speaker 3: So I'm telling you that they don't have an understanding
Speaker 3: like you. You're giving them too much credit. They're a
Speaker 3: bunch of lazy fucks.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, you ain't even from the you ain't
Speaker 3: even from the States.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you now, on a certain level it
Speaker 1: gets serious.
Speaker 3: But Bro, they don't have an understanding in the way
Speaker 3: that you think they have an understanding.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they don't.
Speaker 3: That's why half of what happens in court is cooperation
Speaker 3: because they don't know nothing. They don't really know what
Speaker 3: the fuck that means or how.
Speaker 1: Did you do that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they'll give a dude been sixty murders. They'll let
Speaker 3: him go, just tell us how to hear you did that.
Speaker 3: We don't have no understanding on it.
Speaker 2: So here's why, here's why I disagree. Just with one
Speaker 2: good example. I think I did a video on the
Speaker 2: ysl wyfn me right, wife.
Speaker 3: And you before you go, I'm gonna let you get
Speaker 3: that off, but I want to set this premise before
Speaker 3: you go. The reason why that is different is because
Speaker 3: Atlanta is culture, so that even the DA's is culture.
Speaker 3: To judge everybody in Atlanta because it has bled culture.
Speaker 3: But that's that's an anomaly that doesn't happen everywhere.
Speaker 2: But continue, Okay, I if that's your opinion. But I
Speaker 2: think just more specifically, I released my video about the
Speaker 2: wifn YSLB six months before Young Thug got indicted, right,
Speaker 2: and then when he got indicted, a lot of people saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it's because of Trap law Ross. He did a video.
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, I released my video after Luci
Speaker 2: got indicted. So Luci gets indicted, I make a video
Speaker 2: and I literally say in my video, it seems like
Speaker 2: Young Thug has moved away from the streets. He's just
Speaker 2: a musician, he's not involved in that. Unfortunately, Luci got
Speaker 2: caught up and he's caught Rico. Six months after I
Speaker 2: released my video, young Thug catches his case and everybody
Speaker 2: starts saying it's trap lau Ross. His video. It broke
Speaker 2: it down so well that he's the one responsible. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Then the indictment drops and what's in
Speaker 2: the indictment All they've got all of his They got
Speaker 2: his phones like details from his stone. They got pictures,
Speaker 2: communications messages between them saying young thug book in this
Speaker 2: rental car. They've got him instagramming people saying you know,
Speaker 2: we soldiers, we have to get the job done or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. And it's like when you actually then
Speaker 2: see it's like they got way more resource.
Speaker 3: I want to point out in Atlanta, she is culture.
Speaker 3: She understands the terms, the language. She she has dealt
Speaker 3: with rapt Again, Atlanta is a different space. And I
Speaker 3: think because you haven't dealt with the criminal system, there's
Speaker 3: no way you don't have a reference. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: you go into this criminal system and they don't know
Speaker 3: the culture like that. That's why cooperation is prevalent in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Though everybody is a part of black culture. Even I'll
Speaker 3: give you an example. Just the other day in the
Speaker 3: wide Sale case, instead of going to jail, the judge
Speaker 3: told the dude, hey, you go to go you gotta
Speaker 3: go buy lunch.
Speaker 1: Guess where he went, Magic City. He's the lawyer.
Speaker 3: You went, got wings and shit from Magic every is
Speaker 3: cultured in Atlanta. It's a different So I wouldn't contribute
Speaker 3: it as much to an Atlanta situation because I know
Speaker 3: that Diata understand rap music.
Speaker 1: When when Thug.
Speaker 3: Is on the song and saying I keep a dress
Speaker 3: under the stick and all of that, I know she
Speaker 3: knows how to kind of put some of this together
Speaker 3: more so than some of these white, old, elderly people
Speaker 3: who won't leave their job. But their investigator for this
Speaker 3: state place, I'm telling you they don't know. But with Atlanta,
Speaker 3: even though she's misrepresented lyrics, I need to be on
Speaker 3: record saying that, but I think that she has more
Speaker 3: of an understanding the DA office in Atlanta has more
Speaker 3: of an understanding of hip hop culture.
Speaker 1: Even Thug. They know that situation.
Speaker 3: I believe them to have cousins and family that could
Speaker 3: be intertwined somewhere down the line.
Speaker 1: That know some of those guys, But.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that same thing cont be applied
Speaker 2: to like Baton Rouge. You know, your young boy's been
Speaker 2: investigated since late twenty sixteen, right, so that's like seven
Speaker 2: years that they've had to get their head around the
Speaker 2: lingo and all this stuff. You can't just say it's
Speaker 2: all trying.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. That's all I'm saying. You add
Speaker 3: to the understanding again. I gave the example the same
Speaker 3: way you look at academics and you don't take him
Speaker 3: from his word everything.
Speaker 1: He says you. It's two our thing.
Speaker 3: I know this guy don't know everything, but oh, fuck
Speaker 3: that little piece we didn't Hey you heard that little piece.
Speaker 3: We didn't know about that. That's what I'm saying, right.
Speaker 3: It ain't that, Oh we're taking trap Lord Ross documentary
Speaker 3: and we're drawing the indictment up off of that. That's
Speaker 3: not happening. But I'm telling you and guaranteeing you that
Speaker 3: there's some investigators sitting down watching that for perspective, not
Speaker 3: necessarily to grab charges, but for perspective in the same
Speaker 3: way that we do when we go do an interview
Speaker 3: or try to do a doc or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's what I would believe to that. What do you say.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, man, I just I'm not sure I
Speaker 2: believe it. I feel like it's a bit of a reach.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, we have a difference in perspective,
Speaker 2: you know. I just feel like, you know, for example,
Speaker 2: the Feds, right, you know, the five people that were
Speaker 2: caught for FBG Duck's murder, they're currently awaiting trial. I
Speaker 2: just don't believe that the investigators that were looking into
Speaker 2: them didn't have the knowledge or the context to decipher
Speaker 2: what was going on. You know, they got they've got what.
Speaker 3: Do you say, Chicago? They don't know, Bro, they don't
Speaker 3: have the content. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I don't know though, because I mean, there's that King
Speaker 2: Von's song. Was it that there's the King Von song?
Speaker 1: What it's like?
Speaker 2: And he says at the end of the song, he says,
Speaker 2: he basically says the conversation that he had with the investigators,
Speaker 2: and they said, oh, you know, d Rose, that's my work.
Speaker 2: You know, Rondo number nine, that's my work. So it's
Speaker 2: like Von's talking about these guys, these these meds.
Speaker 1: They that's what I'm trying to tear.
Speaker 3: You've never been arrested, probably I'm been onder investigation.
Speaker 1: They say these.
Speaker 3: Things, Hey man, we know we know about you always
Speaker 3: having a gun on you know, said gas. We know
Speaker 3: that you know you. We know you came back from Tech.
Speaker 3: They might have saw me come back from Texas. We
Speaker 3: know you came back from Texas last week. We know
Speaker 3: we know you was out there. You know, we know
Speaker 3: what you was doing out there.
Speaker 1: You know. They say these things. I'm telling you this
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: They but they're not getting not from YouTube videos. I
Speaker 2: just thought, I'm with when.
Speaker 1: You even speaking of for next two times.
Speaker 3: Guess what when he went to court, they brought in
Speaker 3: thirty two articles. Articles are evidence from the government side
Speaker 3: that they placed forward to try to let the judge
Speaker 3: know why you do deserve more time or why you
Speaker 3: deserve the maximum or whatever it is. I think he
Speaker 3: said twenty nine thirty of those was all social media
Speaker 3: YouTube things when he would go off on money bag
Speaker 3: yo bitch, had Nick had a gun in the club,
Speaker 3: flash to gun. They are getting everything from YouTube and
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 1: I'm guaranteeing you this.
Speaker 2: But that's that's his own social media.
Speaker 1: Why not his own social media? I was it's about
Speaker 1: it discurve this. It was not his own social media.
Speaker 3: It was videos of him at the club, maybe with
Speaker 3: an ar on stage, like talk to the side or
Speaker 3: with a gun. Well, he might have been relive, but
Speaker 3: that video was on YouTube. He had been deleted that
Speaker 3: so that video might have been on YouTube somewhere. And
Speaker 3: so I'm saying this is assistance. This is assistance, is
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, whether it's on him or not. You
Speaker 3: gotta acknowledge that the role that you play in it,
Speaker 3: or you saying are you saying you don't think you
Speaker 3: played zero role? With the great journalism that you do
Speaker 3: wrapped around these things, you're telling me you play zero
Speaker 3: role in an investigation if there is.
Speaker 1: One going on.
Speaker 3: You don't believe no one to have ever looked at
Speaker 3: one of your documentaries.
Speaker 1: For perspective in law enforcement.
Speaker 2: I do not believe my videos have played any role,
Speaker 2: zero role in an active investigation. I can imagine an
Speaker 2: investigators probably watched my video for fun, But I don't
Speaker 2: think I played any role in an investigation if there
Speaker 2: was some evidence, if you could show me an indictment
Speaker 2: where one of my.
Speaker 1: Won't be referenced.
Speaker 3: From this perspectives, So when I'm telling you, what I'm
Speaker 3: telling you do is you think you get a million
Speaker 3: views and there's not a golden nugget in it?
Speaker 1: Oh, you think there's a million dumb people? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's golden nuggets. There's nuggets in this.
Speaker 2: Those are nuggets that the cops already have.
Speaker 1: I just do.
Speaker 2: It seems unbelievable to me that they would they would
Speaker 2: not look at any of the I just don't exactly
Speaker 2: bear of mind, bear in mind no, but this is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's like bear of mind. Like for example,
Speaker 2: you know I got I might get a clip of
Speaker 2: young boy toting the gun. Right, that is the same
Speaker 2: clip that he got arrested for. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you you know, if I do, you know the story.
Speaker 2: But like in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, young boys doing
Speaker 2: a music video. He's on probation, he shouldn't be around guns.
Speaker 2: He's on social media with all of his voice toting
Speaker 2: an ak and then the Feds pull up up and
Speaker 2: they arrest him, the arrest everyone. And this is the
Speaker 2: case that young boys, he's a waiting trial for this
Speaker 2: weapons charge because he was on social media with his gun. Now,
Speaker 2: he's it's not my fault if I put that in
Speaker 2: a video that he was doing that. He should not
Speaker 2: have been totally a gun in his neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3: You're right, right, responsibility right, He should never never be
Speaker 3: doing that. I remember one time academics had posted Meek
Speaker 3: Mial and he was on probation, and he was in
Speaker 3: his neighborhood feeling one of the most dangerous places in
Speaker 3: the world, so they had fire.
Speaker 1: Arms on them.
Speaker 3: Academics reposted meet people and then hit him up. Hey bro,
Speaker 3: he on probation, bru take it down. They didn't get
Speaker 3: him locked up, academics, what's wrong? I don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: I don't hear.
Speaker 3: He just loves because he himself active of the internet babies. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, we're trying to tell y'all this preserve our culture.
Speaker 3: But y'all don't look at it like that because y'all
Speaker 3: ain't a part of it for real. So what happens
Speaker 3: is when we say, yo, don't send me to jail
Speaker 3: for something, yo. Like with John Moran, that shit going
Speaker 3: crazy right now. He shouldn't have done that. But in
Speaker 3: our culture sometimes your people will bury some shit if
Speaker 3: they can.
Speaker 1: For us, it's like, yo, you shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3: Everybody posted, but we always ignore the incentive that everybody
Speaker 3: is monetizing people's downfalls. People are monetizing people's mistakes. That's
Speaker 3: what's happening. So if it wasn't an incentive, you could
Speaker 3: tell a person, hey man, they might send me to jail, bro,
Speaker 3: and they'll take it down.
Speaker 1: But because they want, especially academics that.
Speaker 3: Thirst to be first, that thirst to be first, and
Speaker 3: make him throw it up. But bro, I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 3: fuck man, like I want us to find a medium
Speaker 3: for that shit.
Speaker 1: But again, I can't deal with self snitching. I don't
Speaker 1: do it. I think it's dune.
Speaker 2: Listen, Ja Moran, because I've been looking into this too.
Speaker 2: He got away one time. He was lucky. He flashed
Speaker 2: that gun in the street club. They nearly banned him.
Speaker 2: They gave him like two game suspension. I don't know
Speaker 2: what he's doing running around showing guns on Instagram live again.
Speaker 2: That's on him, bro, he why is he doing that again?
Speaker 3: Bro, he's gonna from you know, I can't talk about
Speaker 3: that with you, man, that's my boy, And they gonna
Speaker 3: say long damn man, it just happened.
Speaker 1: You talking about it with the white boy up there.
Speaker 3: That ain't cool. So I'm a whole on four minute
Speaker 3: on the job topic. That's my guy. I wish him
Speaker 3: the best. YA don't know what's happening. I do understand it.
Speaker 3: Something's happening, and I hate it for him, right. I
Speaker 3: think partially, I think he's been into that music a
Speaker 3: whole lot. I think that music got him choke hold
Speaker 3: on him. But that's what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 3: They this is the this is the evidence. What I'm
Speaker 3: telling you they do. They tell they tell I rap niggas,
Speaker 3: They incentivize, and it's benefit on the side of exaggeration
Speaker 3: of criminal behavior, and then what you deal with is
Speaker 3: real crime rising. Young Boy said something in a song
Speaker 3: that scared me, And it didn't scare me because I
Speaker 3: think he gonna do something, but I understood.
Speaker 1: I know young boys that listen to him. Guess what
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 3: He said that what you know about a dude beating
Speaker 3: on your mama, you get old enough and then you
Speaker 3: kill him. I said, I don't think that's a good
Speaker 3: message to give those children, because there's people, there's people
Speaker 3: gonna start plotting on that or feel like that's the
Speaker 3: way to go in real life. Like I don't even
Speaker 3: know if he knows, but I've dealt with young niggas
Speaker 3: that look just like young Boy. Try to stand like him,
Speaker 3: try to talk like him, get their hair like him.
Speaker 3: If he swishes hair, they swish their hair. If he
Speaker 3: weighing is they wear so they got he got a
Speaker 3: certain choke hold on him. That when he said that
Speaker 3: I said, oh, you know, I just don't know. Maybe
Speaker 3: you know as a slippery one. That's a slippery place
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: Well that's a really good point. And actually, I think
Speaker 2: something I really wanted to say to you at some
Speaker 2: point in this conversation is that I think the you
Speaker 2: know something needs to change because I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of successful rappers. Ja Cole is just one that
Speaker 2: jumps to mind that can be successful without living up
Speaker 2: to this gangster image. I know that that works for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. But at the same time, that's
Speaker 2: not the only route. I know. People are incentivized by
Speaker 2: acting like a tough guy, acting like they've got bodies
Speaker 2: or they're a killer or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I want you because it's not acting like anything.
Speaker 3: It's exaggeration of the circumstances. Not that I'm not involved,
Speaker 3: but I made they This is benefit on the side
Speaker 3: of putting a little bit on that.
Speaker 1: Now with j Cole, he's dope. That's the difference.
Speaker 3: They don't incentive azzed niggas that ain't dope, but they'll
Speaker 3: give you some money.
Speaker 1: If you ain't dope, but you're talking it gangster killer shit,
Speaker 1: you can still get in.
Speaker 2: But that that's but that's why it's so it's it's
Speaker 2: actually quite confusing because then you look at a guy
Speaker 2: like Joe Moran and we don't have to talk too
Speaker 2: much on him because I know there's a personal relationship there,
Speaker 2: But it's like it's it's almost hard to understand where
Speaker 2: it's like, this guy is an NBA player with one
Speaker 2: of the biggest contracts going. He doesn't really need to
Speaker 2: be flashing the gun. But I suppose, how.
Speaker 3: Do we know he doesn't does major How do we
Speaker 3: know that he don't need.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to flash the gun. Maybe he needs
Speaker 2: the gun for protection, but he doesn't need to. And
Speaker 2: he's clearly music. He's caught up in the music in
Speaker 2: the moment and he wants to show it off. But
Speaker 2: what I really wanted to say to you, going back
Speaker 2: to the j Cole thing, because you said something really
Speaker 2: interesting right back at the start of this when we
Speaker 2: were talking about jay Z and the Massy projects, and
Speaker 2: you said that you've got young guys growing up in
Speaker 2: a difficult situation where damn near the only options they've
Speaker 2: got is rap or play ball or get into the streets.
Speaker 2: And I think it's so important for us going forward
Speaker 2: to also shine a light on the people like yourself
Speaker 2: and like Charlemagne or j Cole that say, you know
Speaker 2: what you haven't Actually, you've got more options. You can
Speaker 2: be a dope podcaster and make millions. You can be
Speaker 2: even if you don't like ACT, you could be like ACT.
Speaker 2: A lot of people that maybe don't want to be
Speaker 2: like ACT. I like ACT, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and I think that going I think and this is
Speaker 2: something I want to do, and I would love to
Speaker 2: do more projects broadly on you know, I cover lots
Speaker 2: of different types of people. I also love covering success,
Speaker 2: but you know, just really showing people like young dudes
Speaker 2: coming out of fucked up environments that you know what,
Speaker 2: there's so many more options, there's so many more routes.
Speaker 2: You're a good podcaster not because you're up here acting
Speaker 2: like the toughest podcaster in the world that can't be
Speaker 2: fucked with. You're here because you've got interesting opinions. You know,
Speaker 2: you you argue your points well, you've got a really
Speaker 2: good perspective from the background that you've come from, and
Speaker 2: you're a shining example, like you're a role model, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And I think it's just a
Speaker 2: really interesting space that we're in where it's like some
Speaker 2: people that they're kind of caught up in just the
Speaker 2: only role models they can see are the King Von's,
Speaker 2: the Chief Keiths or the NBA young boys. And there's actually, nowadays,
Speaker 2: in the modern era, there's so many more people to
Speaker 2: look up to. And I think, you know, maybe going forward,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to know if there's more ways here.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: We definitely spread that mess.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, and we're gonna get some stuff together
Speaker 3: because again I can appreciate how you do these days,
Speaker 3: is what I think happens. Is I truly truly when
Speaker 3: I lay down at night, I truly truly in my heart, no,
Speaker 3: I'm breaking the mold. I truly know this because before me,
Speaker 3: you have your academics, you have your Joe Buddens, you
Speaker 3: have all of these guys are different from me. Now,
Speaker 3: tex Stone is a version of it. But something happened.
Speaker 3: It got slippery for him, and then some took him alone.
Speaker 3: The way I thank him to be, I take him
Speaker 3: to be intelligent. I take him to have game a
Speaker 3: lot of game as well. But I truly believe because
Speaker 3: my head is on right right and I've literally dedicated
Speaker 3: my life to this. I truly believe this to break
Speaker 3: the mold. And I say that because when I pull
Speaker 3: up in the trap, they will play my podcast. They
Speaker 3: will not play another podcast. Here's the kicker. When I
Speaker 3: pull up to an exec, they also play the podcast.
Speaker 3: And so here's where you see somebody like QCP, I
Speaker 3: always share my stuff. That's my brother. It ain't because
Speaker 3: the personal relationship. It's because the opinion. That's the perspective
Speaker 3: that's being laid down. It's like, yo, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: You see some of the biggest people in the game
Speaker 3: embrace it because of the perspective.
Speaker 1: And so I believe soon everybody have a mic and
Speaker 1: be talking.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be about where you get your information from,
Speaker 3: because everybody's gonna have a YouTube channel, a camera. Everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna know how to edit the shit gonna damn to
Speaker 3: edit itself. There's a new program now that edit podcasts
Speaker 3: for you. AI just you ain't even gotta touch it.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be about you better be dope. And
Speaker 3: that's what dudes like academics gonna burn out and people
Speaker 3: like you are gonna thrive because you must have golden nuggets,
Speaker 3: and I just pissed gold like I talk golden nuggets.
Speaker 3: I like, perspective wise, I'm always gonna have something that's
Speaker 3: like what the fuck was that?
Speaker 1: You know? And so I'm lucky enough to be there.
Speaker 3: I just pray that perspective stays with me in the universe,
Speaker 3: stays in line. But outside of that, I want the
Speaker 3: youngsters to know you can and be a dope podcaster.
Speaker 3: But I know I'm the first one. They looking at
Speaker 3: it saying, nah, he really cool, like the girls like
Speaker 3: I'm the first podcaster. I mean, I'm sure dudes like Charlemagne,
Speaker 3: I don't look at him like a podcaster. Joe Joe
Speaker 3: probably get girls. There's a lot of niggas this, but bro,
Speaker 3: I'm popping like a rap nigga popping like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: talking about they loving real and and I love them,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying I want us to shad like so
Speaker 3: the kids do know, Hey, it's other avenues. J Cole
Speaker 3: got out because he was truly dope. What's unfortunate it
Speaker 3: is you don't gotta be dope if you talk criminal,
Speaker 3: you gotta be believable. So they don't necessarily care if
Speaker 3: you dope. Long as they believe you will get you
Speaker 3: out there, because we gonna put some criminal shit in
Speaker 3: front of these people because that's what they want, they
Speaker 3: gonna listen to. That's why you see young boy half
Speaker 3: seventy k seventy k people on the Instagram. Nobody really
Speaker 3: they gonna find where it be fed. What the hell
Speaker 3: is he going talking about that beef shit? We gonna
Speaker 3: find that. And so I think I'm the first one
Speaker 3: to be able to dribble in both of those like
Speaker 3: lanes where it's like, oh he cool land his information
Speaker 3: like we can learn and it's it's still us. And
Speaker 3: so I pray that people coming behind this, you know
Speaker 3: that we like the way that it's possible. You know,
Speaker 3: because what you're doing, bro, I'm telling you this, and
Speaker 3: don't wait for these suckers to validate you, because if
Speaker 3: you waiting on that, it ain't gonna ever happen. You
Speaker 3: may be the dopest one doing that. You need to
Speaker 3: be at a network with that. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You're the level you're doing it on. It needs to
Speaker 3: it's network material. So continue to put them nuggets in there,
Speaker 3: because at some point we're gonna try to get that
Speaker 3: shit licensed or get a bag for some of that
Speaker 3: shit to live over here on one of these Especially
Speaker 3: when you put a nigga, you put somebody like me
Speaker 3: involved with it, where if they don't can't really blackbally
Speaker 3: where it's like, yo, he don't really know like.
Speaker 1: They gonna say.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because even with Act, Bro,
Speaker 3: you know, all due respect that Act made a lot
Speaker 3: of money, he's not really from our culture. When we
Speaker 3: really dribble it down, it's like, Bro, you really didn't
Speaker 3: grow up.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: See, I come up in a situation where I learned
Speaker 3: I've met every kind of person. Here's the thing about
Speaker 3: the street, the streets, the drug game, if you really
Speaker 3: was in it, you have an opportunity to meet all
Speaker 3: walks of life. I get to see the doctor because
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, at some point the doctor's
Speaker 3: on drugs and he comes down to see me.
Speaker 1: I see the tractor trailer drive, I see damn.
Speaker 3: There all walks of life, and so you get to
Speaker 3: pick up on habits. You get to pick up on
Speaker 3: people and how to look at people and view people
Speaker 3: and get things from them and understand what they have
Speaker 3: to offer. I don't see him being able to survive
Speaker 3: much longer with that level of content, because soon everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna be quick trigger, quick trigger, because everybody gonna have
Speaker 3: a computer or fall.
Speaker 1: It's just too much content coming out.
Speaker 2: Bro, man, you know it's uh. I think you're right.
Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of people are gonna
Speaker 2: try and get in on this space and they are
Speaker 2: going to be recording. Everyone's gonna have a camera. But
Speaker 2: as you say, I think it's that you know that unique,
Speaker 2: like whatever makes you unique. You know, your your nugget,
Speaker 2: your golden nugget, your diamonds, your your facts that you
Speaker 2: put across, that's what's going to make you stand out.
Speaker 2: But bro, you know, I totally agree, and I think
Speaker 2: you are a shining example. I think you're a great
Speaker 2: role model for this culture in this current space and
Speaker 2: time that we're in. You know, twenty twenty three is
Speaker 2: it's a crazy time. There's crazy shit going on. You know,
Speaker 2: the wrap media sphere damn near recognizable from what it
Speaker 2: was ten years ago. But I think it's super exciting
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of great people coming through and
Speaker 2: have a conversation.
Speaker 3: Don't appreciate you great, that man, ask you one more question.
Speaker 3: Do you make enough money to survive off of this stuff?
Speaker 3: What kind of money you making off this shit?
Speaker 2: Man? I make enough to live comfortably, you know, I live.
Speaker 2: I do this full time.
Speaker 1: The seventh fit is.
Speaker 2: Nah, no, yeah, man, hopefully eventually, but you know I'm granded, man,
Speaker 2: and you know I don't do it for the money.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know it would be
Speaker 2: nice to have seven figures. But I ain't there yet, man,
Speaker 2: But I'm trying.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I live a humble life. I'm not too flashy, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't ball out too much. You know,
Speaker 2: I live a comfortable, happy life, and I'm happy with
Speaker 2: where I'm at. But you know what I'm saying, I appreciate.
Speaker 1: You coming through. Like I say, we'll lock in.
Speaker 3: You got any questions about any culture perspective, hit me.
Speaker 3: I'll give you my perspective and you go with what
Speaker 3: you go with, Like not there, whatever I say, you
Speaker 3: got to put in. But if you ever got you know,
Speaker 3: I wonder what the fuck is that about? Like what
Speaker 3: does that really?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: You can hit me, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: then we might do some once in a month where
Speaker 3: we just get on and chop it. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because I found this conversation to be interesting,
Speaker 3: both perspectives to be so totally on the opposite that
Speaker 3: I think the audience, once they get a hold of
Speaker 3: that we're doing this, they'll probably enjoyed.
Speaker 1: So I had a good time. I appreciate you, Bro, Totally.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you too. Man.
Speaker 1: Thanks sir.
Speaker 2: You have a goal speak against SU for sure, so
Speaker 2: look yes
Speaker 3: Passssssssssssssssssss