Speaker 1: Me, me, me, me, Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black,
Speaker 1: we're brown ambition. So normally you guys don't hear the
Speaker 1: warm up that I do. But you know, CALLI, you
Speaker 1: can leave that in because I need people to understand
Speaker 1: that these vocals don't come easy.
Speaker 2: Hang got it? How does a podcast hosted by two
Speaker 2: POC's from New York and New Jersey make it to
Speaker 2: the top of the Spotify list? Yeah, I had to,
Speaker 2: I had I bailed. I bailed too soon when I
Speaker 2: got scared of my own talent. The pressure freestyle.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, don't don't let it. You have to
Speaker 1: just let that loose. It's in you, it is in me.
Speaker 2: Like so many people, I just spent my uh what
Speaker 2: are we calling this the fifteenth day after Juneteenth holiday weekend?
Speaker 2: I just spent that watching Hamilton on repeat? And genuinely,
Speaker 2: I know, Tiffany, you haven't seen Hamilton. What's your excuse now,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not much of a TV watcher.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the premise.
Speaker 1: No, no, I've heard the primes of Hamilton TV. Do
Speaker 1: you mean?
Speaker 2: Like, but everyone watches on their computer now and I
Speaker 2: don't really consider it well, actually we watch on our
Speaker 2: actual television, but it's like Netflix and Disney Plus, are
Speaker 2: they really TV?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. I don't say. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I just have not really gotten into like my husband
Speaker 1: loves like movies and shows and things like that. I
Speaker 1: just it's rare for like a show or movie or
Speaker 1: whatever to hold my anterest very long these days. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: So I just it's two hours and forty minutes.
Speaker 1: No, no, I might. I might take to it like
Speaker 1: I did with Kimmy Kimmy Schmidt. I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh like yourself some Titus Titus Burgess, Hey, Titus Fellow,
Speaker 2: Ega grad love you I And he also retweeted our
Speaker 2: being named Grady campaign. Thanks mister. But listen, I have
Speaker 2: to talk about Hamilton, and hopefully this will encourage you
Speaker 2: to watch it, because whether or not you are a
Speaker 2: Broadway fan, a history fan, musical fan, story, hip hop fan, whatever,
Speaker 2: I think Hamilton became such a cultural touchstone when it
Speaker 2: was premiered on Broadway, or when it premiered on Broadway
Speaker 2: four or five years ago, and it was the defining
Speaker 2: piece of artwork for I think a generation, and it's
Speaker 2: going to become what Camelot was to the Kennedys, where
Speaker 2: Hamilton is the Obama administration. Everyone's going to remember the
Speaker 2: time of Obama in Hamilton. And it is for those
Speaker 2: of you who have been sleeping under a rock or
Speaker 2: just you know, avoiding it, like Tiffany and My Little Brother.
Speaker 2: Hamilton is a musical based on the life of Alexander
Speaker 2: Hamilton and our founding fathers Thomas Jefferson and others who
Speaker 2: fought in the Revolutionary War and wrote our Declaration of Independence,
Speaker 2: the Bill of Rights, how our nation was founded, and
Speaker 2: the fact that it was founded by in one of
Speaker 2: the founders, Alexander Hamilton. Like a lot of people, all
Speaker 2: I knew about him was that he was killed in
Speaker 2: a duel, and that seemed really dumb. And Glynn Manuel Miranda,
Speaker 2: who grew up in Washington Heights in New York. He
Speaker 2: is Puerto Rican. His parents immigrated here from the island
Speaker 2: before he was born. And hip hop was really, you know,
Speaker 2: like in the Heights. I mean, hip hop was just
Speaker 2: instrumental to his growing up. And he also became a
Speaker 2: Broadway nerd, and he really mashed those two things together
Speaker 2: when he created Hamilton. He's won the Pilitzer. He's been
Speaker 2: named MacArthur Genius. This was a phenomenon, like people in
Speaker 2: Middle America knew about a show that they couldn't even
Speaker 2: see in New York City, and now it's all over
Speaker 2: the country, or at least it was before it became
Speaker 2: too dangerous to go to theaters anymore, which is very
Speaker 2: sad to me. So now it has been released on
Speaker 2: Disney Plus as a film. They actually filmed Hamilton four
Speaker 2: years ago when they were just about it was after
Speaker 2: the first year of their run on Broadway, and now
Speaker 2: it's available. And what's so fascinating about Hamilton is it
Speaker 2: was for me, it was huge, Like Tiffany, if you've
Speaker 2: ever been to a Broadway show, you know, the audience
Speaker 2: is usually very old, very white, and I've been going
Speaker 2: to shows. I mean also the audience is very old
Speaker 2: and very white because it's very expensive to go to Broadway.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about two hundred dollars for a
Speaker 2: show unless you really know you know how to get
Speaker 2: cheap tickets, and there's not very many ways to get
Speaker 2: like affordable tickets anymore, especially there's so much demand for
Speaker 2: lotteries and things like that. So Broadway really is just
Speaker 2: inherent in the in the in the art form. It
Speaker 2: is I think classes because it really keeps out people
Speaker 2: who are at lower income threshold and cannot afford to
Speaker 2: see it. And I only really began to be able
Speaker 2: to afford Broadway like a few years ago, and even
Speaker 2: then I had to save and it was really a
Speaker 2: big moment for me to go to a show. Hamilton
Speaker 2: for me was so important and so huge is because
Speaker 2: the cast is largely people of color, Latino, Filipino, black.
Speaker 2: It features a hip hop retelling of the founding of
Speaker 2: our nation. It is powerful. It is so powerful if
Speaker 2: you are like me and you have been starved for
Speaker 2: stories on Broadway from people who look like us. I
Speaker 2: remember very specifically when I saw Nashville on Broadway, which
Speaker 2: is set I think in the nineteen sixties, and it
Speaker 2: tells it tells the story of Motown but through the
Speaker 2: lens of the artists who performing in Nashville at the time,
Speaker 2: and it was beautiful. And there really haven't been that
Speaker 2: many more moments for me on Broadway. And then Hamilton
Speaker 2: comes around, and not only is the stage diverse, but
Speaker 2: the audience became more diverse because they came to see
Speaker 2: a play that featured people who look like them and
Speaker 2: it was magical. What's happening now it's four years later,
Speaker 2: Now we're in this different context. Back then, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Trump was elected, but Hamilton came around twenty fifteen, twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen before Trump was elected. It was still the good
Speaker 2: old years, you know, with in power, and Hamilton seemed
Speaker 2: to embolize everything that you know, the Obama stood for.
Speaker 2: And they were very supportive of the play and saw
Speaker 2: a million times. But now we're in twenty twenty. We've
Speaker 2: got the backdrop Black Lives Matter movement, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor,
Speaker 2: Elijah McCain, all of these, you know, and and the
Speaker 2: list goes on and on, and we're in the middle
Speaker 2: of a pandemic. And Hamilton was universally beloved at least
Speaker 2: it felt that way when it first came out. But
Speaker 2: what we're seeing now is people like my brother, for example,
Speaker 2: have watched Hamilton and he's never seen it before, and he,
Speaker 2: you know, he din'ner. He was like, almost seems really overhyped.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to like just jump on any bandwagon,
Speaker 2: but I begged him, begged him, begged him to watch
Speaker 2: it because I was really interested to hear his opinion.
Speaker 2: He's a very he's a tough critic. He loves hip hop.
Speaker 2: He actually performs and writes songs and raps himself.
Speaker 1: Of course he does. Yes.
Speaker 2: His stage name is rain Jeju Hilary now Rain Rain.
Speaker 2: I'm very proud he's writing music right now, new music.
Speaker 2: Lookout Rain DTB on SoundCloud. But I wanted to get
Speaker 2: his opinion. He's young, he's very entrenched in what's going
Speaker 2: on in Atlanta with the BLM movement and politics and
Speaker 2: all of that. You know what, he hated it. He
Speaker 2: hated Hamilton and he had one very specific reason why.
Speaker 2: He said, of all the stories you can tell with
Speaker 2: that many black and brown artists and hip hop itself,
Speaker 2: the art form that was founded by black poets, artist freestylers,
Speaker 2: spoken word artists in the sound box, like, how do
Speaker 2: you take that art form and then use it to
Speaker 2: lift up the stories of white men who played such
Speaker 2: a massive role in proliferating slavery at the founding of
Speaker 2: our nation. And he just couldn't get beyond that. He
Speaker 2: couldn't get beyond the fact that he was his hip hop,
Speaker 2: which he loves was being used to tell the stories
Speaker 2: of these white guys who own slaves. And yes, Hamilton
Speaker 2: mentioned slaves in a couple of It mentions the fact
Speaker 2: that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. It mentions the fact that
Speaker 2: George Washington actually does it. I'm not really I don't
Speaker 2: remember if it mentions Washington's the Washington the fact that
Speaker 2: he owned slaves until his death. He emancipated his slaves
Speaker 2: in his will. So generous of him. Wait until I
Speaker 2: don't need you anymore and then y'all can get out
Speaker 2: of here. So he really took issue with that, and
Speaker 2: he's not the only one. People are really critically looking
Speaker 2: at Hamilton, And you know, my little brother was like,
Speaker 2: it just kind of felt like the Obama version of
Speaker 2: a hip hop musical. And it hurts my heart that
Speaker 2: he's so cynical about Obama. I'm gonna help him get
Speaker 2: to the other side. But you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people criticize Obama. Did he do enough for Black Americans?
Speaker 2: Shouldn't he have done more for criminal justice reform? Shouldn't
Speaker 2: he have done this? Or that? Wasn't like the pressure
Speaker 2: is so real the first black president, he was never
Speaker 2: going to be good enough and he was damn near perfect,
Speaker 2: you know, in everything he did, this same thing is
Speaker 2: happening to Hamilton. I think it is one of it
Speaker 2: is such a huge cultural touchdone. It's all these black
Speaker 2: and brown actors, singers, dancers, written by a Puerto Rican composer. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, about an immigrant story at its heart, and
Speaker 2: people are just kind of they're really tearing it apart.
Speaker 2: They're wanting these Founding Fathers heads on a spike. And
Speaker 2: I completely see it. But it's just a very it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting debate right now, and I'm actually it
Speaker 2: makes me like, in a strange way, it makes me
Speaker 2: like Hamilton more.
Speaker 1: But because also too, I mean, I think it's art.
Speaker 1: It's meant to be debated. It's meant to be torn
Speaker 1: apart and looked at and put back together and torn
Speaker 1: apart and looked at. So I think that all the
Speaker 1: opinions are valid. I think that would we be talking
Speaker 1: about Hamilton had he not done a hip hop story
Speaker 1: about the Founding Fathers now, if he had done a
Speaker 1: hip hop a musical about the start of hip hop,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean. So it's almost
Speaker 1: like the thing you criticize is also the reason why
Speaker 1: you're able to criticize it. So, you know, I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's art. It's meant to be you know,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about you know, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it's art is subjective and so you know, it's meant
Speaker 1: to be critically looked at, and especially because there's some
Speaker 1: things like for example, like I mean, even though it's
Speaker 1: not the same as Hamilton, but thinking about like I
Speaker 1: used to love Martin the show, but if I were
Speaker 1: to watch it now.
Speaker 2: I create March.
Speaker 1: Well, you could create because some of the jokes you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like so and that's and that's okay. You know, things
Speaker 1: that we're okay then are not necessarily okay now that
Speaker 1: certain things don't age well, some things stand the test
Speaker 1: of time. And I think it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I don't think that anyone
Speaker 1: can dismantle, you know, what Hamilton brought to the table.
Speaker 1: I think that you know that this only also puts
Speaker 1: Hamilton cements its place in history and these types of conversations.
Speaker 1: So so now you make me curious to watch it,
Speaker 1: so I shall.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear what you think about it. Just
Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen it yet, and it's very different.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a beautiful experience on the screen. In fact,
Speaker 2: it's the best scene in the house. We weren't even
Speaker 2: that close to the stage. They have the angles. It
Speaker 2: feels cinematic. It's beautiful. But I'm very curious to hear
Speaker 2: your thoughts because I did see it in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: and now I'm seeing it today. I still love it,
Speaker 2: and I don't take anything away from lind Man and
Speaker 2: wil Miranda. He is a Latino man who has been
Speaker 2: through his own grit and determination and his talent has
Speaker 2: clawed his way to the top and has taken people
Speaker 2: with him. He has catapulted the careers of so many
Speaker 2: unknown Broadway actors, rappers, actresses, people who had been Broadway
Speaker 2: stars but hadn't crossed over yet because there just weren't
Speaker 2: enough opportunities for them to share their talents and meaningful
Speaker 2: roles on Broadway. And he gave them they He gave
Speaker 2: them a voice in the musical that he didn't have
Speaker 2: to give them a voice in. No one would have said, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: Alexander Hamilton, play okay cool, everyone's white. Yeah sounds about right.
Speaker 2: But he cast. He did color blind casting, and he
Speaker 2: you know, he says he had to one because those
Speaker 2: are the people that he knows. And also because he's
Speaker 2: doing a rap hip hop musical, So what's he gonna do, Like,
Speaker 2: how can he cast? It would just be ridiculous to
Speaker 2: test anyone other than artists who can be true to
Speaker 2: that art form. And that is what I've been advocating for,
Speaker 2: you know, the past couple of shows, just talking about
Speaker 2: how if you're given a piece of power, do your
Speaker 2: best to make things a little bit better, you know
Speaker 2: than what you found it. Maybe you like, you're no
Speaker 2: sure he could have done a better job, you know,
Speaker 2: ripping apart these characters for the role that they played
Speaker 2: in the slave trade and how they fought for freedom
Speaker 2: and liberties that did not apply to everyone, despite the
Speaker 2: words in their own constitution.
Speaker 1: But he forced us.
Speaker 2: To look at it through the lens of black and
Speaker 2: brown voices, and it almost to me it is a
Speaker 2: huge middle finger to the founding fathers because like, screw
Speaker 2: you guys, look at us now, we are here, thank
Speaker 2: you for this nation. We're taking it back now. We
Speaker 2: are at the center of the story. Even though you
Speaker 2: would have preferred that we were in the background the
Speaker 2: whole time we are in this We're taking back the narrative.
Speaker 2: That's one of the key lines from Hamilton. I'm trying
Speaker 2: not to get too on my soapbox about it, because
Speaker 2: I am pretty it's in my blood the show and
Speaker 2: the themes in it. But we're taking back the narrative.
Speaker 2: It's in our hands. Who lives, who dies? Who tells
Speaker 2: our story? We do we can, and if you don't
Speaker 2: like the way someone tells it you His success means
Speaker 2: that someone else who looks like him or someone different
Speaker 2: will have an easier time telling their story. And I
Speaker 2: promise no more songs, I mean, maybe a little bone.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of artists and hip hop, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it and then we're gonna leave it and run away.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, say it. I'm ready. I know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna say.
Speaker 1: So Kanye Amari West tweeted that he is running for president,
Speaker 1: which is not feasible or possible because he did not
Speaker 1: do the proper filings to do so. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why he tweeted this attention that's not true. I
Speaker 1: do know why. Attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can give you a couple of reasons why
Speaker 2: gap partnership, new album coming out, or any music he's
Speaker 2: promoting attention just yeah, you know, all the dead black
Speaker 2: bodies and our ridiculous president. We're just taking in the pandemic.
Speaker 2: We're just taking a little bit too much. So Kanye
Speaker 2: needed to like ease on in there to Twitter and
Speaker 2: take a little piece of that spotlight away.
Speaker 1: Yes, so just we've said it, he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: not obviously running so but it was just very Kanye,
Speaker 1: very Kanye, Yes, very Kanye. Speaking of Kanye actually did
Speaker 1: like so I did a like a someone said it
Speaker 1: was a rant, but whatever I did like a. I
Speaker 1: put it on my RGTV Stories. No, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they call like us ig TV channel anyway, but
Speaker 1: where I talked about race in finance. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because one of the companies that I was like mentioning,
Speaker 1: they actually emailed me today.
Speaker 2: This was recent I missed a Tiffany rant. Where can
Speaker 2: I is it? Teep? Can I DV?
Speaker 1: Or how do you I'm wearing like what looks to
Speaker 1: be like it's an African sque top and I have
Speaker 1: a high ponytail. That's all you know.
Speaker 2: So you have to look an esque. Come on now, well, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: It's not really African, but it looks I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just addressed that my sister lent me because I
Speaker 1: had done something else earlier that day. And it's like
Speaker 1: pink and pink and black. So you go to the budgetista,
Speaker 1: you'll look in my it literally it's called Let's talk
Speaker 1: about rac and Money. You know, like when you can
Speaker 1: watch IGTV, you can it's like these little buttons on
Speaker 1: the top of your pictures. It's like you can look
Speaker 1: at someone's feed, you can do IGTV, or you can
Speaker 1: look to see how many people have tagged you in
Speaker 1: the thing. So anyways, it's on my IGTV and it's
Speaker 1: it's called Let's talk about Racing Money, and so we
Speaker 1: talk about racing money and so yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to because I was just thinking about we were
Speaker 1: talking about, uh, race and money? Because oh you know
Speaker 1: why I came up because someone who interviewed and asked
Speaker 1: me this. It was maybe forms or SEEINGBCEE. Somebody asked me,
Speaker 1: did I think that they had been interviewing some financial
Speaker 1: educators and experts whatever, some of whom believe that race
Speaker 1: and money should not be talked about together two separate things. Like,
Speaker 1: for example, someone told me I've not heard this to
Speaker 1: be true, but someone told me that Dave Ramsey said
Speaker 1: money is not black or white, it's green. That there's
Speaker 1: no place for race and money. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how white of you. That's so cute that you can
Speaker 1: live like that. What the hell is he talking about
Speaker 1: if he said that, because that's just not Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: not only is there a gender gap, there's a it's
Speaker 1: exacerbated by your race. It's you know, how much you make,
Speaker 1: how much you spend, Like my owner's insurance is influenced
Speaker 1: by where I live because of the races oft people
Speaker 1: that I live here. We'll talk about later on in
Speaker 1: the show about you know, we've already talked about appraisals,
Speaker 1: but we have like this like update to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot personally separate my race from the
Speaker 1: way I have to navigate with my money.
Speaker 2: And that's the definition of privilege.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, I mean I'm to do that. I
Speaker 1: would love to not do that. I mean what I
Speaker 1: would love to be like, Hey, nobody cares about what
Speaker 1: color you are if this is how much you make,
Speaker 1: because this is what you're owed, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is how much you this thing costs, because that's just
Speaker 1: how much it costs. I don't have the privilege of
Speaker 1: being able to separate the two. So when she told
Speaker 1: me that a bunch of financial educators, you know, that
Speaker 1: she'd interviewed, like I said, I can't remember what it
Speaker 1: was like Forbes or Time or something like that, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I can almost guarante you what they
Speaker 1: look like because they don't have to consider that, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have irresponsible reporting if those are the sources
Speaker 2: you're going to use in a story like this.
Speaker 1: No, well, I think that she wanted the story was
Speaker 1: about race and finance and to see what a financial
Speaker 1: educators think. So I think she wanted to pull out,
Speaker 1: Like so what do you think, Tiffany, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I don't have a choice. You know, that's
Speaker 1: like saying, you know, separating you know, my my gender.
Speaker 1: You know, like there are certain things that just it's
Speaker 1: ingrained in the system. We know that, and may get
Speaker 1: paid less. I mean, should it be can it be changed? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it's still a thing that I can't pull out,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I would love to pull that out
Speaker 1: that I would love to know that as an influencer
Speaker 1: or an educator whatever, that I'm paid the same despite
Speaker 1: the fact that me being a woman and then being
Speaker 1: a being a black woman on top of that. So
Speaker 1: I just thought that was so I did a whole
Speaker 1: because of that interview and maybe it just put me
Speaker 1: in a state of mind to do like a talk
Speaker 1: and a rant. And you can certainly tune in and listen,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to take like a veer to the left.
Speaker 1: So I wanted you actually just as good, right, I
Speaker 1: want to your advice man drugs. I feel like you
Speaker 1: are good with whether or not because I tend to
Speaker 1: lean on not saying when something is not right, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you're more of a better gauge. So
Speaker 1: I use a service. Well, it was a product that
Speaker 1: I order handmade beautiful, but the young woman who was black,
Speaker 1: who was delivering these products to me, it has been challenging.
Speaker 1: Everything has been.
Speaker 2: Late, so much pressure on black owned business.
Speaker 1: I know perfect, So I know. So everything has been late,
Speaker 1: I mean like months late, and some of it was
Speaker 1: really timely, Like, well, I guess that birthday is not happening.
Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing, and it's been monthly
Speaker 1: and then too there's no follow up, Like if I
Speaker 1: don't follow up, I just guess I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1: Like literally every follow up of like, hey, where's the
Speaker 1: thing I paid for? And I intentionally like, I don't
Speaker 1: take discounts on black women, so cheat offer me. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I love you, but Janizza, you know
Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. I'll give you a discount.
Speaker 1: I said, thank you, but no want to pay pull
Speaker 1: full price just like everyone else because I'm also going
Speaker 1: to expect full service, and so that has not happened.
Speaker 1: So our our working relationship has coming to an end,
Speaker 1: like I'll finally get the final thing that I've paid
Speaker 1: for soon hopefully. So I'm just wondering, I would I
Speaker 1: want to pull her aside to have like a sister
Speaker 1: the sister hey girl, hey like business almost you know,
Speaker 1: black business owner to black business owner. Here's some things
Speaker 1: that you know, here's someeedback so you can do better.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not gonna I'm not dragging her on social
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I don't know is it
Speaker 1: my place too, because we're not like like if it
Speaker 1: was you many we're friends. So I could be like
Speaker 1: girl seeing a thing telling you, you know a thing,
Speaker 1: but someone we're not you know, we're not bosom buddies.
Speaker 1: We're not friends. You know. I was just a client,
Speaker 1: and I do have some feedback, and I would love
Speaker 1: to be able to give it to her, like you know,
Speaker 1: in a you know, from like literally like black women
Speaker 1: and black woman business owners to a business owner. But
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's appropriate, and she has not asked,
Speaker 1: you know, so when it made sense, I would say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, checking another thing, I don't have it, or hey,
Speaker 1: this wasn't delivered in the way that I was expecting.
Speaker 1: So I've given the basic feedback, but that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying like that deeper. I didn't ask
Speaker 1: you for all that feedback, Like honestly, if you would
Speaker 1: do this, this, this, and this, it would be better
Speaker 1: for your business that kind of feedback. So like the
Speaker 1: other stuff, the surface feedback I've already given, but the
Speaker 1: deeper feedback, what say you, Mandra, Is that appriate?
Speaker 2: Is it appropriate? I don't know appropriate. I think it's
Speaker 2: generous of you. I think it is. Yeah, I'll use
Speaker 2: the word generous because at a time where people are
Speaker 2: so quick to shame people on the internet before they
Speaker 2: give them a chance to respond, you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: talking about Yelp reviews, Google reviews. When you go to
Speaker 2: a restaurant or you you know, get a plumber that
Speaker 2: has poor worksmanship, and instead of going directly to them
Speaker 2: and giving them a chance to make things right, you
Speaker 2: go immediately and blast them on a review platform. I
Speaker 2: think it's very generous of you to give her that
Speaker 2: feedback one to one and very mature. Whether or not
Speaker 2: she receives it is up to her. Whether or not
Speaker 2: she takes it and is gracious about it is up
Speaker 2: to her. That's why I'm like, get your goods first
Speaker 2: and then give the feedback.
Speaker 1: So you thinks should you think I should give the
Speaker 1: feedback even if she has think you should?
Speaker 2: If you want to do, I think it's your responsibility. No,
Speaker 2: I think that her poor management of her business will
Speaker 2: be the lesson that she needs in terms of, you know,
Speaker 2: whether or not she'll succeed. But that's why I'm saying
Speaker 2: it's generous of you. And I also think that you're
Speaker 2: in a position where, I mean, you've talked in the
Speaker 2: show about how you've had your fairy godmothers who have
Speaker 2: given you advice when you didn't ask for it, or
Speaker 2: even when you did ask for it, And you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you could be that for someone else, but they
Speaker 2: need to be ready to receive it. I can't. And
Speaker 2: because you don't know her, you can't speak to her maturity,
Speaker 2: and she may take it as an insult. But if
Speaker 2: she's smart and mature, she will say, Wow, this person
Speaker 2: has poured into me a little bit of knowledge. I
Speaker 2: just don't. I mean, based on the fact that she
Speaker 2: hasn't owned up to her own pens management, I would
Speaker 2: err on this. I kind of feel like, maybe she's
Speaker 2: not so mature, but she's what kind of product is it?
Speaker 2: Like an artistic product or like a numbers and finance
Speaker 2: type of I mean.
Speaker 1: Like artistic, just because I want to keep it light,
Speaker 1: because I feel like enough people follow me that they're.
Speaker 2: Like, what are you know artists who run their own business,
Speaker 2: that's problematic. But I also feel like they're often in
Speaker 2: a position where they want to focus on the art
Speaker 2: and the business side of things. Maybe they don't have
Speaker 2: the resources to handle it. So I think it's very
Speaker 2: generous and nice of you to offer that feedback and
Speaker 2: to not have made a big stink about it so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I guess it's here's the thing. The finished
Speaker 1: product beautiful. That's not the issue. The art itself is amazing,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just it's like, I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to see you when this and the thing. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: People have been asking me about the final artistic, like,
Speaker 1: you know, to be super general, and I can't say, hey,
Speaker 1: go ahead and support because honestly, I'm pretty sure they're
Speaker 1: not going to get their thing in time. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna you know what I mean. I just because a
Speaker 1: number of people have asked and I'm like, oh, well, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this person is taking on other
Speaker 1: commissions or whatever, even though I'm sure that she is,
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't want someone to come to
Speaker 1: be like that Hail Tiffany. I ordered it and it's
Speaker 1: like four months later, and I'm like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Lisa tust right, would you tell Lisa about their business?
Speaker 1: I would, but with the full disclosure of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bank on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you'll you'll get it, because I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not dishonest or anything. You'll get it. But if you're
Speaker 1: needing it in the time frame that's been allotted. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine percent sure you're not going to get it,
Speaker 1: not even remotely, like months after, you know where. It's
Speaker 1: almost like not ballad anymore if you're needing it for
Speaker 1: specific time frame.
Speaker 2: So at a time. Sorry to interrupt, at a time
Speaker 2: when it feels like people are finally people besides black
Speaker 2: and brown people are looking on for ways that they
Speaker 2: can support black and brown owned businesses, and I've seen
Speaker 2: listicles of all kinds. You know, where can we support
Speaker 2: local business in our neighborhood owned by people of color,
Speaker 2: et cetera. It sucks when you're the It sucks that
Speaker 2: we can't. We don't get a break to be mediocre.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that you're the one who's who's going
Speaker 2: to be giving her this this feedback, because I guarantee
Speaker 2: you if a white lady and this mom's of whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm in my local Moms of x y
Speaker 2: Z City facebook group because they you know, it's a
Speaker 2: good it's a good way to source recommendations for all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. And I know if one of those
Speaker 2: moms goes and works with the black owned bakery for
Speaker 2: the first time and the cake order is messed up,
Speaker 2: they're not going to get the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: that you know, a name brand bakery would. And also,
Speaker 2: you know, even if the even if the customer rightfully
Speaker 2: is like I'm probably not going to order a cake
Speaker 2: from that place anymore and I'm just going to order
Speaker 2: from somewhere else, there's so few and far between that
Speaker 2: somewhere else is probably not going to be black owned.
Speaker 2: So it sucks on that end, it really does. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, there's I think you giving her
Speaker 2: the advice is very generous and you should do it.
Speaker 2: Just don't be offended if she's like okay, doesn't respond
Speaker 2: to you, or worse, you know, is very petty about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, Maybe that's what it is. It's
Speaker 1: just like, just manage my expectation that I'm going to
Speaker 1: give the advice and leave it and be like okay, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, she might be like what or she might
Speaker 1: be like thank you so much. I don't know, like she's,
Speaker 1: like I said, she's been really pleasant and nice.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, she may thank you a couple of years
Speaker 2: from now. Yes, she might be salty for now. Is
Speaker 2: she gonna catch that check? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh chatoo chair? So anything else for for Buzzworthy.
Speaker 2: I think we can leave it there. Let's take a
Speaker 2: quick break and we will be right back with some questions.
Speaker 3: H And it's time for questions.
Speaker 1: Boys and girls. We love your questions. I love your questions.
Speaker 1: Manja loves your questions. Y'all love your questions. Ask ask,
Speaker 1: ask away.
Speaker 2: Well, this is one of those reunion shows. I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know when you used to watch Ricky Laker, okay,
Speaker 2: and it would be the episode where they'd be catching up.
Speaker 1: With previous show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, where are they now? We have because a
Speaker 2: couple of our listeners who we'd answer questions for. I
Speaker 2: love when you guys give us an update. You know,
Speaker 2: did you get our feedback? Did it help, did it hurt?
Speaker 2: Did you miss the show and you did it a
Speaker 2: different way? Follow up with us, especially those of you
Speaker 2: who have you know, really important, big financial choices that
Speaker 2: you're asking us for insights on. So we have a
Speaker 2: couple of let's let's catch up with a couple of
Speaker 2: our listeners. So one of the one of the couple
Speaker 2: that reached out to us. Let's see, So if you
Speaker 2: remember a few shows ago, this woman she reached out.
Speaker 2: She wanted to be anonymous, and she asked, us, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a pandemic right now. I'm up for a job,
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm not being offered the same
Speaker 2: as someone else who's worked there before. Do I have
Speaker 2: is it? Is it okay for me to negotiate essentially?
Speaker 2: And you can guess our answer. It was very emphatically like, yes,
Speaker 2: ask what you're worth. So she reached out last week
Speaker 2: and she said, I just wanted to give y'all an update.
Speaker 2: I was offered the position with more money, and I
Speaker 2: still negotiated. My total raise was ten thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 3: Can you believe this?
Speaker 2: All these explanation, importance and question marks. I couldn't thank
Speaker 2: y'all more for your advice.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Congrats to you, honey, because you I mean, if listen,
Speaker 2: a pandemic does I Like we said on the show,
Speaker 2: I get that it makes it harder to recruit. It
Speaker 2: makes it harder for you to feel like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: they're my only option, there's not much else out there.
Speaker 2: But it goes the other way, honey, like it's hard
Speaker 2: for managers to recruit right now too, because they don't
Speaker 2: have the budgets to recruit and hire a whole new person.
Speaker 2: And this sounds like an internal promotion. It's probably a
Speaker 2: lot easier to give you a raise than it is
Speaker 2: for them to spend time and money going out there
Speaker 2: and recruiting a whole new hire who they're going to
Speaker 2: have to pay a lot more to poach. So I
Speaker 2: think this is fabulous and I'm glad you stub for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's awesome. I love hearing that. So just there's
Speaker 1: no excuses, you know, if you deliver, you and you're
Speaker 1: able to illustrate the value to deliver. You know, there
Speaker 1: are coins available, but it might not be that particular company,
Speaker 1: but there's somebody has the coins for you, so go
Speaker 1: collect them. They belong to.
Speaker 2: You one thousand percent our next. This isn't someone we
Speaker 2: answered a question for it, but she was really touched
Speaker 2: by Tiffany. You know you shared your story about the
Speaker 2: drama triangle, Yes, oh okay, and drama triangle reminding and
Speaker 2: this is this is.
Speaker 1: The this is the emotional cattern. Yes, that I enter
Speaker 1: into where it's like I'm the rescuer I do all things.
Speaker 1: I do all the things, do all things to where
Speaker 1: I feel overwhelmed for someone, and then I become the victim.
Speaker 1: This person's take advantage, They've taken advantage, and then I
Speaker 1: get to a point where I've had my fill full
Speaker 1: of victimhood, and then I become the persecutor. This person
Speaker 1: is terrible. So I enter into that triangle over and
Speaker 1: over and so many of my relationships, and it's a
Speaker 1: pattern that I have that I'm observing and going to
Speaker 1: break if I want to do and be better. So
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful our listener from who send us some on
Speaker 2: the Graham Jaqueline. She says, thank you so much, Tiffany
Speaker 2: for sharing. But the drama triangle. I've been going through
Speaker 2: some issues with the family member for a while. Now
Speaker 2: I've been learning how to set boundaries with her because
Speaker 2: I realized I never have I always said yes to
Speaker 2: this person. Now she's reacting to me negatively because I
Speaker 2: am setting boundaries. I felt bad for doing this at first,
Speaker 2: but now this is a confirmation to be that I
Speaker 2: need to continue setting boundaries like you. I didn't know
Speaker 2: there was a name for it, so thank you. This
Speaker 2: has opened my eyes so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. So many. If you find yourself to
Speaker 1: be like you know, let's just say you would describe
Speaker 1: yourself as an overgiver, you know, and you find yourself
Speaker 1: tired all the time or feeling kind of taken advantage of,
Speaker 1: you likely are participating in the drama triangle. So do
Speaker 1: your googles, you know, watch a video on it so
Speaker 1: you could be like, oh, so the key is. I
Speaker 1: actually was talking to one of my friends about it
Speaker 1: today because she wanted to write this whole long letter
Speaker 1: to a cousin of hers because she felt super taken
Speaker 1: advantage of. So I was asking her to give me examples,
Speaker 1: and I said, She's like, well, I let her in
Speaker 1: my dress and my jewelry and this and this and this.
Speaker 1: I said, does she come to your room and take
Speaker 1: it it'? She's like no, I said, so, when she
Speaker 1: didn't give you back her dress, did you lend her
Speaker 1: the necklace? When you lend her the dress, no necklace?
Speaker 1: At a different time, I said, well, when she didn't
Speaker 1: give you back her dress in your necklace, when did
Speaker 1: you lend her the earrings or after that? So is
Speaker 1: she really a taker or just a receiver? Without you
Speaker 1: see what I mean. So I had to really look
Speaker 1: at myself and say, oh, a lot of what I
Speaker 1: am categorizing as this person is taking unless they really
Speaker 1: did come and take these things from me. Because some
Speaker 1: people are are you know, are like that malicious in
Speaker 1: their taking? Or is this person just an endless receiver?
Speaker 1: Because we have people in our lives that are good
Speaker 1: at setting boundaries for themselves. So my husband, although I'm
Speaker 1: an uber giver, he sets a boundary that says, when
Speaker 1: Tiffany gets to hear, I stop her. So that's why
Speaker 1: we have such a great relationship because he is not
Speaker 1: a bottomless pit of receiving. But a lot of people are.
Speaker 1: They're not taking, They're just like, well, Tiffany is an adult.
Speaker 1: If it's too much, she will stop. If she doesn't stop,
Speaker 1: I'll say I'll get taken or I'll keep receiving. So
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, so I'm learning through business coaching AKA
Speaker 1: Like it's like, honestly, it's therapy. Is that not to
Speaker 1: I won if I'm not giving from the light. So
Speaker 1: you can give from the light side or give from
Speaker 1: the shadow side, giving some of the light side of
Speaker 1: when you're really just giving, because giving brings you joy,
Speaker 1: like when I do something for my nieces and my nephew, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I love doing stuff for them. I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting anything. Giving from the shadow side is giving
Speaker 1: with expectation or giving because you're worried about what that
Speaker 1: person will think or feel. So giving from a place
Speaker 1: of fear, and if you do that enough, you build
Speaker 1: up that resentment and then you become the victim, you
Speaker 1: see what I mean. So I was like, oh, so
Speaker 1: I've actually been learning to say no. I literally have
Speaker 1: a list of like things that people are asking me
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm writing no next to them. So
Speaker 1: i can say no because I do so much, not
Speaker 1: because I actually want to do it, but because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid if I don't, what will they say? What will
Speaker 1: they think? That's not really giving, that's performative niceness.
Speaker 2: And I didn't like that expressionative niceness.
Speaker 1: And actually I just made that up for myself because
Speaker 1: I don't know what my business coach called it, but
Speaker 1: he was like, you're not giving from a place of light.
Speaker 1: That's giving from a place of shadow, Tiffany, And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm doing what's called what I call
Speaker 1: performative nicest where I strive to be a nice person.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true. I do, but I also strive
Speaker 1: to appeer to be a nice person. You see the distinction, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to be nice, of course, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really really want people to think I'm nice, So
Speaker 1: even when I'm not feeling nice, I will act nice
Speaker 1: so people can be pleased with me. And it's a
Speaker 1: habit that I've learned. I mean I can kind of
Speaker 1: like trace it back to like this time in like
Speaker 1: seventh grade, when I just I had no friends, and
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: A everything is to seventh grade, I mean, you just
Speaker 2: go on back to middle school.
Speaker 1: It was so I learned to be overly pleasing in
Speaker 1: middle school in an effort to make friends. And it worked, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: if you do people's homework, if you help them out,
Speaker 1: if you do this, if you this it, you're funny,
Speaker 1: you're this is all the things. And it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I have friends again. And so I
Speaker 1: took that lesson which worked then, and I've continued to
Speaker 1: relive that over and over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, well, it's important that people think you're nice.
Speaker 1: It's important that people are happy with you even if
Speaker 1: you are not wanting to do the thing. They cannot
Speaker 1: know you don't want to do the thing, because then
Speaker 1: they're gonna say Tiffany's not nice, you know. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: and he said, so, what's the worst thing if someone
Speaker 1: thinks that you're not nice? I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So that's the question I have to answer for myself.
Speaker 1: So most people, if I say I can't do a thing,
Speaker 1: are fine. Most people are like, you know, hey, Mandy,
Speaker 1: can we tape on Tuesday instead of Wednesday? And sure,
Speaker 1: that's most people. There are gonna be a handful of
Speaker 1: people who are gonna be you know what, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know. But the truth is most people
Speaker 1: don't care when I say no, you know, not no,
Speaker 1: like no, but like, oh, you know. Unfortunately I'm not
Speaker 1: able to participate in that. In that webinar, most people
Speaker 1: are like, okay, well thanks for considering. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is what you're afraid of the Okay, thanks for considering.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I it's something I'm trying. It's a
Speaker 1: pattern I'm trying to unlearn because I don't want to
Speaker 1: be performative nice because it's a miserable place to be
Speaker 1: because I find myself doing things that I really don't
Speaker 1: want to do because I'm afraid of what you'll think
Speaker 1: of or say, and I want to just be because honestly,
Speaker 1: my regulativity self it's pretty nice. Not I'm not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent nice, but regulativity self is a good eighty
Speaker 1: five percent nice. It's like it's okay for fifteen percent
Speaker 1: to be Like, I don't feel like doing it, even
Speaker 1: if it's a good thing, because that's why I feel guilty.
Speaker 1: They're like, can you come speak to the homeless shelter
Speaker 1: in you know, New Brunswick. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I haven't like slept a full eight hours and like
Speaker 1: three weeks I'm tired. And so although do runs for
Speaker 1: homework shelter homeless shelter is a good thing, I actually
Speaker 1: don't want to do it because I for once I
Speaker 1: want to sleep in. But I'll do it because I
Speaker 1: can't say no, I'm a homeless shelter. I'm terrible if
Speaker 1: I don't, and then I get sick the next week
Speaker 1: and then you know, so it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 1: So I just I encourage all of you supergivers to
Speaker 1: really ask yourself, are you just performing your kindness and
Speaker 1: performing your niceness? Are you giving from a place of
Speaker 1: shadow or from a place of light? And you really
Speaker 1: want to make sure that when you are giving, that
Speaker 1: that you're you're getting the return from the give, so
Speaker 1: meaning that like I'm if I'm doing something nice that
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, my friend was sick, so I
Speaker 1: sent them vitamins, so like, there's this vitamin C that
Speaker 1: I really like, So I sent them vitamins. And so
Speaker 1: my return on that investment and sending them vitamins was
Speaker 1: I knew my friend was going to feel better, so
Speaker 1: if I'm waiting, well, so I didn't need anything. So
Speaker 1: my friend ended up like like cash affing me money,
Speaker 1: and I was like, if you don't keep this money,
Speaker 1: so I sent it back. But if that was the
Speaker 1: reason why I sent the vitamins, so that way they
Speaker 1: can then give me my money back. You know, you're
Speaker 1: looking for like your payout on the back end, and
Speaker 1: you may or may not get it, and that's why
Speaker 1: you feel the sink sense of like being used or
Speaker 1: taking advantage of it. But that's not really true. So
Speaker 1: really giving with the sense of like, the giving itself
Speaker 1: is the gift that I'm leading. That is the return
Speaker 1: on investment, the fact that you're giving in itself. So
Speaker 1: I'm practicing it so for those So this is a
Speaker 1: little exercise that we can all do together. And this
Speaker 1: is what Zion, my business coach, said, So we're not
Speaker 1: changing the pattern right now. We are going to celebrate
Speaker 1: the awareness. So I have been just my regulativity self still,
Speaker 1: but when it happens, I'm saying, hey, you are perfect.
Speaker 1: You are practicing performative niceness aware. Okay. So that's the
Speaker 1: first step. It's just as you're going through to say
Speaker 1: to like put it like a sticky note on it.
Speaker 1: Oh you're doing it again, okay, But to celebrate the awareness,
Speaker 1: not to make yourself feel bad in the awareness. It's
Speaker 1: just we're just that way you can start to notice
Speaker 1: your patterns and then I'll learn what's the next step,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. So right now I'm just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at you doing it. Girl. You know you don't
Speaker 1: want to do that, okay, but we're celebrating it. Okay,
Speaker 1: good job, we see you, Tiffany, And.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, so who boundaries? How do you know
Speaker 2: who your real friends are I just I love a boundary.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm just like, honest, see, I'm and what
Speaker 1: I've noticed Mandy is like you, there are prototype friends
Speaker 1: that I attract to me, and you fit into one
Speaker 1: of the prototypes. So I've got prototype friends who are
Speaker 1: like so I have like myself, like who are super
Speaker 1: super givers? Right, So that's like my husband, but he
Speaker 1: also there's another prototype that he feels and it's you.
Speaker 1: I love friends like you because it's like through you,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at Mandy just over there saying no
Speaker 1: and like still people like her. How does she manage?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I just that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I love about you is that you're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, no, that's not a fit or you
Speaker 1: know what, it doesn't feel right or you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm terribied of like people being like I Haye, Tiffany.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from, but like I,
Speaker 1: it's so I find myself seeking out. It's almost like
Speaker 1: maybe a through osmosis, I can like get some of
Speaker 1: that mandyism where you're like you're pretty clear on yes
Speaker 1: to this, know to this, unapologetic, like I didn't kick
Speaker 1: your puppy so you'll be.
Speaker 2: Fun or you know that you can tell me what
Speaker 2: it is and I won't. I won't hold you like
Speaker 2: I won't if you set a boundary yourself, I'll be
Speaker 2: cheering you on, or I'll set one for you exactly so.
Speaker 2: But the friends that I have who don't send I
Speaker 2: have found this way because as a person who loves
Speaker 2: a boundary and have done it for my own self preservation.
Speaker 2: Just unknowingly, listen, I'm also in real therapy, not real
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to say that real therapy, like you're
Speaker 2: not in therapy. No, I'm not business therapy. I'm in
Speaker 2: the psychoanalis kind of therapy. But what I have found
Speaker 2: is I was a little insecure about all the boundaries
Speaker 2: I was setting. You know, is it keeping me from
Speaker 2: relationships that I might have? You know, because I leave
Speaker 2: jobs and I'm not the one who has seventeen or
Speaker 2: you know, twenty coworkers that they still catch up with.
Speaker 2: I maybe have one or two. And I've got friends
Speaker 2: of mine from previous jobs who will be friends with
Speaker 2: everyone from the old job and go to all their
Speaker 2: parties and their weddings and YadA YadA. But I realized
Speaker 2: when I talk to that person about the parties or
Speaker 2: they get together as they go to they're never happy
Speaker 2: about it. They're like, oh, I got dragged to this
Speaker 2: day party where they played music, and I just like,
Speaker 2: I'm so tired. And they never seem joyful about the
Speaker 2: interactions they have with those friends. And I think, I
Speaker 2: think you're absolutely right. And I don't have too much
Speaker 2: to add to it other than to say that I
Speaker 2: love a boundary and I one hundred percent feel like,
Speaker 2: just follow what is true to yourself and it will
Speaker 2: be in the right direction and have confidence in that.
Speaker 2: And I've only come to have confidence in my strategy
Speaker 2: for happiness, I would say, in the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: So I love it, and thank you for going back
Speaker 2: into it, because the second time you told this story,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling it more as a mother, that fact that
Speaker 2: I will say, I will put down my work, interrupt
Speaker 2: a conference call that I like I did today, and
Speaker 2: go take the baby so that hus by can have
Speaker 2: a sandwich. Meanwhile I'm glaring at him the whole time
Speaker 2: and turning off my video so I can glare at
Speaker 2: him properly and they don't see me. And then muting
Speaker 2: myself so I can say nasty things to him while
Speaker 2: I'm holding the baby. What if I just said, nah, brah,
Speaker 2: you hold the baby and eat a sandwich at the
Speaker 2: same time, because I do that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you set yourself up a failure and that's a stand.
Speaker 1: About why so so what else? What was some other updates?
Speaker 1: Any other updates?
Speaker 2: Well, this is sort of a riff off of so
Speaker 2: on a previous show, Tiffany, you shared an anecdote about
Speaker 2: how you felt like your home when you got it appraised.
Speaker 2: At the time, you were thinking about doing a cash
Speaker 2: out refinance, so you got your home appraised and you
Speaker 2: felt that the appraisal came in lower than with a
Speaker 2: true value the home was and you we talked about
Speaker 2: systemic racism and lending discrimination and how what was the
Speaker 2: statistic that you shared about black homes being appraised? How much?
Speaker 1: On hours about I think it was a New York
Speaker 1: Times said about twenty three percent less.
Speaker 2: Right, and you were proof positive of that. What was
Speaker 2: interesting about your story is you know you were sharing
Speaker 2: it and I'm going to own up to this. I
Speaker 2: was even thinking, Oh, it wasn't that much less like
Speaker 2: what was she really discriminated against, Like this is not
Speaker 2: as strong as my voice was at the time, but
Speaker 2: I had that little niggling doubt in my mind, and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of black and brown people you
Speaker 2: question the reality that you're facing, Like you question what's
Speaker 2: that That's what they call it microaggressions, Like what's that discrimination?
Speaker 2: Am I overreacting?
Speaker 1: I felt like that too. I was like, well, it
Speaker 1: was like ten twenty thousand dollars is it? And honestly,
Speaker 1: I can honestly say I don't know, but I know
Speaker 1: the fact that I have to even consider that it
Speaker 1: is a problem exactly.
Speaker 2: So there was a story that one of our listeners
Speaker 2: actually sent us on Instagram where it was such a
Speaker 2: blatant example of discrimination and appraisal and let me think
Speaker 2: of you, and it made me think, damn it, like
Speaker 2: why did it take this really dramatic story for me
Speaker 2: to take Tiffany's story at face value? And that is
Speaker 2: something that you know, I'm unpacking. But let me just
Speaker 2: read a quick So this is only posted four days
Speaker 2: ago on Facebook and it's been shared twenty three thousand
Speaker 2: times on Facebook. I think it was like ten thousand
Speaker 2: times by the time someone that Instagram follower or shared
Speaker 2: it with us. But this person on Instagram or sorry
Speaker 2: on Facebook, it's a public post for an awswe I'll
Speaker 2: post a link to our show notes. She says, on
Speaker 2: the topic of generation wealth, we needed to get our
Speaker 2: home appraise. The appraiser came by and he was immediately unpleasant,
Speaker 2: making one rude comment after another. He expressed exaggerated surprise
Speaker 2: when he saw me, a woman of color, working at
Speaker 2: my home office during the walkthrough. At the end of it,
Speaker 2: we received an appraisal result that was so low that
Speaker 2: it was laughable. We appraised lower than neighboring home sales
Speaker 2: with fewer bathrooms, fewer bedrooms, significantly lower square footage, and
Speaker 2: half the land. I knew immediately what needed to happen.
Speaker 2: We ordered a second appraisal and took down all family
Speaker 2: photos containing black relatives. We took down all pictures of
Speaker 2: African American grades that we displayed to inspire our son. Zora'
Speaker 2: Neil Hurston and Tony Morrison came down from the bookshelves.
Speaker 2: Shakespeare went up. My son and I took a convenient
Speaker 2: shopping trip during the appraisal, leaving my white male husband
Speaker 2: to show the appraiser around alone, we appraised, Oh, this
Speaker 2: is gonna kill me. We appraised one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars higher the second time around, the amount
Speaker 2: of an entire house.
Speaker 1: In some higher freaking house.
Speaker 2: Thanks thank you to this woman for sharing this story.
Speaker 2: And it seems like she's very a huge advocate for
Speaker 2: people of like racism and social justice and all these things.
Speaker 2: She says. Racism silently but conspicuously steals wealth. Racism, waste time, racism,
Speaker 2: racist blood pressure, racism makes me hate myself for my
Speaker 2: calm acceptance of what I had to do and have
Speaker 2: always had to achieve a fair results from a place
Speaker 2: of anguish to sort through my emotions. I want better
Speaker 2: for my son.
Speaker 1: That's the fact that I was like, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, when I do a good appraisal in this house,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Katherine to come. You know, Cautin's white,
Speaker 1: she's super white.
Speaker 2: Your friend, you had it all playing.
Speaker 1: The fact that calm acceptance of this is just what
Speaker 1: you have to do. Tiffany. Don't touch things in the
Speaker 1: store that you're not gonna buy. I can freaking buy
Speaker 1: this store, but don't you touch anything because you just
Speaker 1: want any trouble, you know, like accept poor behavior. Except
Speaker 1: I just that's the part that it's so like I said,
Speaker 1: it's like that abusive. This is what I mentioned in
Speaker 1: the in the in the Race and Money rant on
Speaker 1: ig and my ig TV post is where I was
Speaker 1: just like it truly is an abusive relationship with America
Speaker 1: that you get punched and hit and hair pulled so
Speaker 1: often that you've learned to accept the abuse even though,
Speaker 1: like you know it's not right, but you've learned how
Speaker 1: to manage through the abuse until one day you're out
Speaker 1: of the shower and you walk by a window and
Speaker 1: you see your body full of bruises, some old, some new,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, what the entire hell? And it's
Speaker 1: times like this that make you say that, and then
Speaker 1: you you have to you start to replay all of
Speaker 1: this abuse that you've that you've like lived through, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, what do I do with this?
Speaker 1: I'm minus the abusive relationship. I don't know where else
Speaker 1: to go? I know this is wrong? What do I do?
Speaker 1: And that's why you see some people raging and some
Speaker 1: people rioted, some people you know, protested peacefully. But that's
Speaker 1: why you see, it's because we walk by the mirror
Speaker 1: and we're seeing the bruises old and new, and we
Speaker 1: know that there are more bruises to come, and we've
Speaker 1: had enough. And it's just look to you to your point,
Speaker 1: manny where I'm even questioning myself. Will take now you
Speaker 1: buck and girl, because maybe you know what's ten twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars? I'm sorry, what's ten twenty thousand dollars? Does
Speaker 1: anyone else have to say that? You know the fact
Speaker 1: that my my realtor was like, that's your that's your
Speaker 1: your your homeowners insurance your house and praises for about
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand minus one point too. We pay the
Speaker 1: same amount in home owner's insurance. He was shocked you
Speaker 1: had the same exact homeowners insurance company. And I had
Speaker 1: a woman in my comments say, well, as an insurance company,
Speaker 1: it's because shut up, ma'am. It's not reasonable that my house,
Speaker 1: which is worth one third his house, should be I
Speaker 1: should be paying insurance at such a high rate in comparison.
Speaker 1: Shut the entire hell up. That is wealth lost to
Speaker 1: my family from the house being a praise for less,
Speaker 1: from paying more to homeowner's insurance to being paid less
Speaker 1: as a black woman. So you add all those things up,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, if black people would just only
Speaker 1: work harder, wouldn't be a wealth gob Shut the entire
Speaker 1: hell up. I'm supposed to outwork racism.
Speaker 2: How You're right, you know you're Tiffany, and I'm complicit
Speaker 2: because I kept it moving like. Your story made me
Speaker 2: think about some uncomfortable things about my homeowner, my home purchase,
Speaker 2: and the fact that I purchased her from a black homeowner,
Speaker 2: a black couple, and I knew they were black because
Speaker 2: they didn't they did not take down any of the
Speaker 2: artifacts around the house that let me mean they had
Speaker 2: a black black but black figurines as their salt and
Speaker 2: pepper shakers and pictures of his name is Ed, the
Speaker 2: previous homeowner. You know, his his pictures from the Vietnam War,
Speaker 2: his military pictures. I forget if he was in the
Speaker 2: army or what, but he's a veteran and I, honestly,
Speaker 2: I reacted so warmly to that, to those photos and
Speaker 2: to the fact that we were buying it from a
Speaker 2: beautiful black couple whose love was so apparent in their home.
Speaker 2: But not everyone is like that. I get that and
Speaker 2: part of me is like, hell, yeah, Rosemary need thanks
Speaker 2: for not hiding your identity. But would they have gotten
Speaker 2: more offers on the home? Would they you know, have
Speaker 2: gotten a would their house have appraised for more? Because
Speaker 2: the appraisal came in a little bit lower than what
Speaker 2: their asking price was and we took advantage of that
Speaker 2: and got the house for like I think it was
Speaker 2: maybe five or ten k cheaper. But was it because
Speaker 2: of their race? Because the neighborhood we're in is not
Speaker 2: majority white, because there are you know, there is a
Speaker 2: good presentation of minorities, and because they're very clearly a
Speaker 2: black couple. If you come into their home and you
Speaker 2: bother to look around, you can see those signs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're storting me a little bit uncomfortable and it
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to see it, and I think
Speaker 2: even a black woman like me I will. It's like
Speaker 2: you said, we have these moments in our life and
Speaker 2: sometimes to keep moving to keep our good mood going,
Speaker 2: to just keep you know, trying to believe that you
Speaker 2: have possibility in this country that things can work out
Speaker 2: for you because you're different, because you're smarter and you're educated,
Speaker 2: et cetera. You don't want to hear it, and I
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry for even not hearing it. But I
Speaker 2: acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: That there is a black tax. There is a.
Speaker 2: Black tax, one hundred percent. I'm not and I'm not
Speaker 2: immune from it either, No one is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it's just sometimes it's just because
Speaker 1: you're just like you don't want to be the reason
Speaker 1: why you kind of like, you know, you let it
Speaker 1: roll because you want to be hopeless. You don't want
Speaker 1: to tell you there's no because then what's the alternative,
Speaker 1: the alternative to say there's nothing I could do about it.
Speaker 1: Guess life is just harder for me no matter what, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the alternative? You know, this is why you have,
Speaker 1: you know, slaves singing spirituals in cotton fields, because what
Speaker 1: is the alternative? Do I just lay down and die
Speaker 1: here or do I hold onto some hope in the future.
Speaker 2: You know, resilience is an act of survival.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the purpose? Like you know, we just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I said, it's hard and hope.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, one of the really useless time, I
Speaker 2: was reading some of the comments she got, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you should report this to the CFPP or the FTC.
Speaker 2: I am really tired of people putting the onus on
Speaker 2: the victim to report certain behaviors. I get how I mean,
Speaker 2: I get how people are trying to be helpful, but
Speaker 2: I think it is upon us to hold our representatives
Speaker 2: in our states and our local governments and yes on
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill responsible for holding the banks responsible, the lenders,
Speaker 2: the bad actors, because they have the power. They wrote
Speaker 2: the law that enacted institutions like the Federal Trade Commission,
Speaker 2: like the Consumer Financial Protection the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
Speaker 2: Let me say the entire name of that organization, which
Speaker 2: has been systematically dtoothed. Is that the word like d toothed,
Speaker 2: I don't know, ripped apart? Yeah, thanks, I did have
Speaker 2: a big glass of white wine and no dinner, just
Speaker 2: you know, being transparent. Over the past few years, since
Speaker 2: Trump was elected, they have completely cut the CFPB down
Speaker 2: at the knees, which was an institution that Elizabeth Warren
Speaker 2: herself spearheaded during the Obama administration. Anyway, like, these institutions
Speaker 2: should be the ones that are fighting for us, and
Speaker 2: you need to contact your local representatives and tell them
Speaker 2: your stories because they're the ones who are being paid
Speaker 2: by our tax dollars, by the way, to defend us.
Speaker 2: And it is not our job to. It is not
Speaker 2: our job to. Unfortunately it has become our job to
Speaker 2: fight and get in the streets and get mad and
Speaker 2: get last. But they should be held accountable and we
Speaker 2: need to vote with these issues in mind. What are
Speaker 2: you doing to promote black homeownership and fair lending practices
Speaker 2: for black and brown homeowners or home purchasers? Like what
Speaker 2: are you doing for us? We need to ask these
Speaker 2: questions and be cognizant of the power that they hold.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I was like some tech genius engineer, I
Speaker 1: would create like some sort of like appraisal gun.
Speaker 2: We're not going to blind appraisal, yes.
Speaker 1: Exactly where it's like you know how like when you
Speaker 1: go to a store, Like if you've ever bought anything
Speaker 1: for someone who's like, oh, I'm registered at Target and
Speaker 1: they give you like the that like you like, you know,
Speaker 1: scan all the things that you want to be on
Speaker 1: your thing. So imagine that you could literally scan your
Speaker 1: home because I've seen this, like when people do virtual tours,
Speaker 1: it's because they're doing this like scanner thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you can scan your home you put all these things in,
Speaker 1: like how many bedroom, bathrooms all that, and it just
Speaker 1: goes into a machine and it says, this is the appraisal,
Speaker 1: and the machine pulls based upon square footage and this
Speaker 1: and that. It pulls the comps based upon the actual facts,
Speaker 1: not who freaking lives here, not the color of your skin.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, you're their appraisal. Gun, it's taking
Speaker 1: do do do do? Okay, this is this is how
Speaker 1: big the house is, this is all the things, this
Speaker 1: is what other house is sold for. This is how
Speaker 1: much you know, It's like what I do with fair
Speaker 1: pay for for the for my staff. Right, So we
Speaker 1: have a short a chart with you know, you know
Speaker 1: what color you are. You know what color you are
Speaker 1: based upon how many responsibilities you have. But you also
Speaker 1: know because we tell you your personal color. So no one
Speaker 1: knows your color, but everyone knows all the pay They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: purple makes between thirty and sixty oh or pink makes
Speaker 1: between you know, sixty and one hundred, and so you
Speaker 1: fall within that range based upon your color, the color
Speaker 1: that you are, based upon the responsibilities that you hold,
Speaker 1: and basically how long you've been here. And there are
Speaker 1: bonuses that we give you know, based upon like you
Speaker 1: know your how well that you do. But it leads
Speaker 1: so it's like you're not wondering, well, it's the guy
Speaker 1: getting paid more. It's like if he's blue, he's getting
Speaker 1: paid blue, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Said, you tell people, yeah, you make it transparent. And
Speaker 2: as a business owner and I myself as a hiring manager,
Speaker 2: have many times said, why are we gonna make this
Speaker 2: person negotiate? Why don't we just give them more, best
Speaker 2: and final? Why do we need to put the onus
Speaker 2: on them to like what we have the power? We
Speaker 2: are the ones with the advantage here. Why are we
Speaker 2: pretending like it is really important for this person to
Speaker 2: figure out what they can get from us. Let's just
Speaker 2: cut the bullshit and ask people for like, give them
Speaker 2: an offer for what they're worth and be firm in that.
Speaker 2: Like it drives me nuts. That's how I act as
Speaker 2: a hiring manager, and that is one of the things
Speaker 2: that I'm really pushing my company to change because I'm
Speaker 2: like that as a hiring manager because I know what
Speaker 2: it's like to be on the other side as a
Speaker 2: woman of color and to not know anything about what
Speaker 2: I'm asking for, what I'm worth because I don't have
Speaker 2: the friends and family who can tell me and help
Speaker 2: me out. But I'm unique. I genuinely feel that in
Speaker 2: the company and other people should be trained and how
Speaker 2: to do that, and we should. It shouldn't be that hard.
Speaker 2: And I'm fucking tired. I saw a Twitter throw from
Speaker 2: one of my writers about a previous job that she
Speaker 2: had and how she felt like it was her fault
Speaker 2: for not asking for more. No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2: It is on us. The people with power should be
Speaker 2: the ones not abusing it, but using it to create
Speaker 2: the equality that people deserve. It's on us. If I
Speaker 2: see one more article about how women should negotiate better
Speaker 2: and how women should learn how to ask for X
Speaker 2: y Z, or how you as a black person, can
Speaker 2: you know just just you know, fade yourself a little
Speaker 2: bit to get a higher salary. You know, hydra LinkedIn picture,
Speaker 2: you know, hydro Airbnb photo, You'll get a higher rate
Speaker 2: for your Like, this is.
Speaker 1: Bullshit, it is, but that's what she Do you think
Speaker 1: I didn't hide my IBMB photo. Of course I always
Speaker 1: hide my freaking I put like an airplane there when
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a place, which is crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, that's just what you have to do.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, so it can't be that way. It's on
Speaker 2: companies and it's on us to hold them accountable. And yes,
Speaker 2: I'm as tired as anybody holding these companies just like
Speaker 2: getting them convinced to do the right damn thing. And
Speaker 2: we have got to again. I think it's very important
Speaker 2: for people like Tiffany myself. Eventually in the future, I
Speaker 2: imagine myself starting something on my own and to change
Speaker 2: the way businesses operate and operate from this place from
Speaker 2: the beginning, so we don't have to just go and
Speaker 2: learn it later when all of a sudden someone calls
Speaker 2: us out and we get embarrassed. This has to be
Speaker 2: the new norm, one hundred percent. You guys got to vote.
Speaker 2: You got to contact your legislators. They check their email.
Speaker 2: You got to contact them, call them, ask the questions,
Speaker 2: share your stories with them. It's not time. Now is
Speaker 2: the time? Now is the momentum is behind us. We've
Speaker 2: got to share these stories. And I'm so glad this
Speaker 2: woman has. I don't know how her story ended, but
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, she has nothing to do.
Speaker 2: She needs to share her story with her local representatives,
Speaker 2: and like she did on Facebook, it's getting the story
Speaker 2: out there. Now it's on us who have seen her
Speaker 2: story to amplify her voice and for people in power
Speaker 2: to do something about it. Not her. She did the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. She got a second opinion, and
Speaker 2: that is what you can do. That's in your power.
Speaker 2: Your power as a consumer in this system for the
Speaker 2: time being, is to get second I mean, unfortunately it
Speaker 2: costs extra money to get another appraisal, but get multiple appraisals,
Speaker 2: get multiple loan office loan offers, make people negotiate, make
Speaker 2: them compete for your business. That's what you have in
Speaker 2: your control. Who Okay, that cause of mine was very
Speaker 2: I should have had some dinner before I sat down.
Speaker 2: But that's all good, all right. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: to our listeners who followed up with us. If you
Speaker 2: have a question that you've answered that we've answered on
Speaker 2: the show and you have a follow up, send us
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Speaker 2: us your questions at Brandanbispodcast at gmail dot com or
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Speaker 1: Now it's time for the good things it's time for well,
Speaker 1: it depends it's for boosts or break, so you can
Speaker 1: already tell what I'm just gonna do because I've had enough.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna have boost or are you gonna have
Speaker 1: baked Mandra bake? I know break. I was hoping it would.
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna slip on through.
Speaker 2: But no, it's fair because I did bake the best
Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookies all my life.
Speaker 1: I love chocot cookies.
Speaker 2: Listen, Tiffany, I wish you know what can we do
Speaker 2: like a socially distanced, like you know, cookie exchange. I'll
Speaker 2: just like we do a drive by. I'll throw them
Speaker 2: in your car.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I would have loved that.
Speaker 2: It's so good. But here's my life hack is that
Speaker 2: I did not bake them all because my Peloton's coming
Speaker 2: in a few weeks and I'm trying to get ready
Speaker 2: for her. Okay, but listen, I froze them. I rolled
Speaker 2: them into balls and I froze them, and then we
Speaker 2: can just bake a few a day. And I didn't
Speaker 2: bake fifty cookies.
Speaker 1: But they're so good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you the recipe.
Speaker 1: Yes please, because honestly, I love chocolate cookies. And I
Speaker 1: have to say I've been doing intermittent fasting and I've
Speaker 1: lost like seven pounds. So I'm proud of myself because
Speaker 1: a low key, high key a show is coming and
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Cis cannot be dragging that wagon all over.
Speaker 2: But you're having wait a show, the Budgeties show is happening.
Speaker 1: Well, well, when I say you, so many production companies
Speaker 1: have been in my inbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. That's why I'm like, is it finally happening?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I mean, well, I'm speaking into
Speaker 1: existence when like I literally there's like, okay, there's one
Speaker 1: production company that I think I really like more than
Speaker 1: the others. And so we're really just talking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are next steps?
Speaker 2: There are so many trash reality shows on Netflix right now.
Speaker 2: Netflix got some money to burn. They better do the
Speaker 2: Tiffany show. They're better do it real quick because the
Speaker 2: Flora's Lava is highly entertaining. But like, am I being
Speaker 2: into as a person not gonna lie?
Speaker 1: I was like, how did they know my childhood? When
Speaker 1: I saw the Flora's lav.
Speaker 2: Wait, you watched you watch DV?
Speaker 1: Why do you? Oh? No, no, I saw the like
Speaker 1: you know, I saw the Little Whatever preview when I
Speaker 1: was like, I was looking at Netflix. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should watch something to make me fall asleep.
Speaker 2: I can see you Superman and Supergirl being one of
Speaker 2: the families who competes one hundred thousand percent. Yeah, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: you need.
Speaker 1: So I need to break my teeth and be like.
Speaker 2: People get legitimately hurt and I don't know how they
Speaker 2: walk out of there, but.
Speaker 1: It's all hard things.
Speaker 2: I was like, amazing entertainment and Netflix clearly has some
Speaker 2: money to burn if they're making this shit Netflix.
Speaker 1: Both of mu Saint John, the new CMO of Netflix
Speaker 1: Chief Marketing Officer, my girl bowse.
Speaker 2: Yes like all her on stuff. So I thought she
Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know what I thought job
Speaker 2: she had. I thought she was just famous for being
Speaker 2: fabulous and smart, and then she got a job at Netflix. Fabulous.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before that, she was with Endeavor, which is like
Speaker 1: this big management company, like they managed all of She
Speaker 1: was the CMO there, so they manage all of the
Speaker 1: all the huge celebrities. And then before that she's worked
Speaker 1: at Uber, She's worked at Apple and Papa John's. I
Speaker 1: think she consulted so Bose knew to this. She is
Speaker 1: what shree to this. So that's like my pre my
Speaker 1: pre boost, but my real boost is for sir Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: Colin if you're nasty, mister Kaepernick, if you're nasty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to get you. If you're not familiar with mister Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: He is the gentleman that kneeled all throughout the like
Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty nineteen and maybe even
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, like the NFL eight earlier seventeen, Yes, during
Speaker 1: the NFL season, and as a result lost his ability
Speaker 1: to play professional football. I mean he but he started
Speaker 1: a whole movement and he was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't care? Not me, Not that he
Speaker 1: didn't care because he loves football, but he was like,
Speaker 1: this means more. He was kneeling to protest police brutality
Speaker 1: against black people, and they turned into this whole disrespect
Speaker 1: of the flag and other bs said it wasn't but
Speaker 1: as racists are apt to do. Since then, the NFL
Speaker 1: admitted like we were wrong, because you know, black lives
Speaker 1: matter right now is cute, so you know they want
Speaker 1: to get in line with it.
Speaker 2: Several years later, I will say people excommunicated Colin. He
Speaker 2: was blacklisted, like literally, he lost his spot on his team.
Speaker 2: He was blue ball. Blue ball. No, that's not the
Speaker 2: expression black ball. This is a bad analogy. He was good,
Speaker 2: it was cut out. Yes, yes, no one wanted him.
Speaker 2: He was toxic, No one wanted to touch him.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: For three to four years later, now he's having the
Speaker 2: last last.
Speaker 1: What I tell you what I loved about Colin is
Speaker 1: despite all that, he was unwavering in his say what
Speaker 1: you want. Black people need to be heard and so
Speaker 1: so he just posted I'm excited to announce this historic
Speaker 1: partnership with Disney across all of its platforms to elevate
Speaker 1: black and brown directors, creators, storytellers, and producers, and to
Speaker 1: inspire the youth with compelling and authentic perspectives. I look
Speaker 1: forward to sharing the docuseries on my life story in
Speaker 1: addition to so many other cultural impactful projects we're developing.
Speaker 1: So he has a development deal with Disney to develop
Speaker 1: and black and brown stories, which I'm just like, what,
Speaker 1: So this is what I posted underneath you know, I said,
Speaker 1: this is the literal manifestation of they tried to bury you,
Speaker 1: but didn't realize you were a seed groking, continue to
Speaker 1: bear fruit and bring nourishment back to your people. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's all the things, and I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I just you know, well, here's the thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: always work out that way. Sometimes you stand up for
Speaker 1: what is right, and you know, you there are no flowers,
Speaker 1: there are no Disney deals for you. And obviously he's
Speaker 1: not doing it for that, because how can you anticipate
Speaker 1: that what's gonna happen. But you know that if you
Speaker 1: can make someone else's life better. But he sacrificed so much,
Speaker 1: and so I've just loved that this is happening, and
Speaker 1: he's been donating money. I just he has stayed so
Speaker 1: true in the face of adversity. I honestly, he's goals. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's goals.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also saw that Ava DuVernay is doing
Speaker 2: a Netflix series based on his life, based on his
Speaker 2: high school years. I think, so he's really having his
Speaker 2: moment in the sun in the sun. And I got
Speaker 2: to do a shout out for Ava DuVernay because she
Speaker 2: has always been true to telling black stories and I
Speaker 2: hope that she's also I mean, she she is leaning
Speaker 2: in and she her voice sounds so hoarse on social media.
Speaker 2: When I hear her speak now, she has never put
Speaker 2: down the megaphone, never, not once has she not used
Speaker 2: her platform to amplify important voices of color. And I
Speaker 2: love her so much and the fact that they're teaming
Speaker 2: up together is just beautiful. Love it and shout out
Speaker 2: to Disney. I guess they're trying to make things right
Speaker 2: because you know, for a long time they did not
Speaker 2: amplifier voices.
Speaker 1: What I'm now, it was like the only Black Disney princess,
Speaker 1: her Princess a frog. But whatever, they have a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I heard that they're doing a Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: Prince and the frog was Princess and the Frog was
Speaker 2: the only Black Disney princess, right. I mean there hasn't
Speaker 2: been one since, which is pretty sad. They put my
Speaker 2: man sterling k Brown and Frozen, but that was very
Speaker 2: MU was after the first one did really well, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, we got they have work to do like
Speaker 2: every other company does. Okay, let me do maya. What
Speaker 2: was I gonna do again? I forget? Oh my boost, Yes,
Speaker 2: a quick boost finally I've been wait, I haven't forgotten
Speaker 2: about you, Amy Cooper. I don't think America has either thing.
Speaker 2: Thank I was a little concerned because George Floyd happened
Speaker 2: soon after Amy Cooper. Not that obviously no one's life
Speaker 2: was taken, But Amy Cooper, she's the woman who called
Speaker 2: the police on a black man in Central Park because
Speaker 2: he had the audacity to ask her to put a
Speaker 2: leash on her dog, which is the rule in the park.
Speaker 2: That she was waltzing her behind through with her dog,
Speaker 2: and she took great offense to the fact that someone
Speaker 2: called her out, and so much so that she called
Speaker 2: nine one one and threatened him. She didn't threaten him
Speaker 2: with a gun, or with a knife or with the
Speaker 2: actual weapon. She threatened him with his own race. She said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to call the police and tell them there's
Speaker 2: a black man threatening me. Because she knew the power
Speaker 2: of her words. I don't care what statement she put
Speaker 2: out afterwards. She knew that using his race against him
Speaker 2: was a weapon, and she knew exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 2: But I wonder she lost her job very soon after
Speaker 2: this news broke She unfortunately, you made the mistake of
Speaker 2: talking to a man who was very renowned in his field,
Speaker 2: not that he needed to be at all, but he
Speaker 2: had a lot of people come out and support of him,
Speaker 2: and she had her come up. But what mattered to
Speaker 2: me most was is what she did illegal? And has
Speaker 2: she been held accountable? And it just came through today,
Speaker 2: I think or yesterday, that she's been charged officially with
Speaker 2: filing a false report with law enforcement, which is like,
Speaker 2: why did it take all this time? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was pretty clear it was a false report. But
Speaker 2: thank goodness, because this is the accountability that we need,
Speaker 2: and it's something small, very small, that has happened that
Speaker 2: is the right thing. There are obviously bigger things that
Speaker 2: were still waiting for. We're still waiting for accountability for
Speaker 2: the police who killed Brionna Taytlor murdered, murdered, needlessly Breonna
Speaker 2: Taylor in her home. They still haven't arrested those those killers,
Speaker 2: nor had they arrested the people who killed the cops
Speaker 2: who killed Rashard Brooks in Atlanta, and so many more.
Speaker 2: But it was one one little piece of today, And.
Speaker 1: What it does is that it shows people that there
Speaker 1: are consequences. Because I saw a woman who had done something.
Speaker 1: She cut off a gentleman and he pulled over and
Speaker 1: she called him. I guess like the N word when
Speaker 1: she had him off and some other things. So anyway,
Speaker 1: he gets out and he says, you know, you almost like,
Speaker 1: you know, almost crushed. So he's taping her, you know,
Speaker 1: because he almost crashed me. And then you call me
Speaker 1: the N word and she starts to scream and cry
Speaker 1: and says I'm not a Karen and he's like, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I just want you. I forget whatever it was he
Speaker 1: wanted to exchange. I think she's something. I think he
Speaker 1: wanted to just exchange insurance cards or something like that.
Speaker 1: But so, anyway, so people are walking up, and of course,
Speaker 1: because she's weaponizing her tears, You're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Leave her alone. He's like, I don't know if she
Speaker 1: hit him or clipped him. He's like, I just want her,
Speaker 1: like I am allowed to ask for her insurance card
Speaker 1: or whatever he wanted. And she's like, he called me
Speaker 1: the N word. I'm recording because I don't want it
Speaker 1: to come out that I did something to her and
Speaker 1: I did not. So she is boohooing and screaming, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, I bet she won't screaming when you were
Speaker 1: calling this man the N word and cutting him off.
Speaker 1: And so It just was hilarious because she was very
Speaker 1: well aware of yikes, if this is his the interwebs,
Speaker 1: this might be the end. So you're on notice, ma'ams
Speaker 1: and missus, so watch your mouth, watch your face because yes,
Speaker 1: you know, although black people don't.
Speaker 2: Because let's just get all the dirt out front of
Speaker 2: the rugs of America. Like just really feel comfortable in
Speaker 2: this Trump America. You could be people.
Speaker 1: Get you, caught it out, get you. Speaking of which,
Speaker 1: like you know, I try to do my ig of
Speaker 1: the of the of the well not try. This has
Speaker 1: only been like the third, third, fourth, the.
Speaker 2: Third time the Trump I love this you segment that
Speaker 2: were this mini segment.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's called Gossip of the City. So I
Speaker 1: think it used to be originally like a gossip site,
Speaker 1: but then they started taping. You know, we have all
Speaker 1: these Karen and Wild videos and or Karen in a
Speaker 1: Wild or Karen instagrams, and Mandy and I were both like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I feel about it, because sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like unrequited. You watch it and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so they did this terrible thing and now we know,
Speaker 1: So now now what what I like about Gossip of
Speaker 1: the City is that it pivoted its account and now
Speaker 1: it posts the ask for help finding this person and
Speaker 1: then shares that person with the authorities for them to
Speaker 1: either be arrested or shares them with their job, and
Speaker 1: then post updates like hey, this person was arrested for
Speaker 1: threatening this person or this person was let go for
Speaker 1: these racial slurs. So it's of all those types of sites,
Speaker 1: of all those types of ig accounts, Gossip of the City.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's a sense of closure there. And
Speaker 1: they've even started like a Facebook like page where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, help Stop Racism, where you can basically report
Speaker 1: in and crowdsource help, like hey, this person did this
Speaker 1: to me. I'm showing you the proof, and then they
Speaker 1: crowdsource help like you know, because sometimes you know, nobody
Speaker 1: wants to do anything, but then you know, twenty two
Speaker 1: thousand people see it. The New York Times does a
Speaker 1: story and all of a sudden, the police are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a legal Oh you think so, I just yeah,
Speaker 1: so I like thus far. You know, a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: I was actually getting my hair retightened the other day
Speaker 1: because it'd been months and months and months, and so
Speaker 1: I was telling my the my friend katab who does it.
Speaker 1: He was telling me about the site. He told me
Speaker 1: that's why he liked it, he said, because the other
Speaker 1: ones just kind of made him feel bad, and he
Speaker 1: was like, but this one, it feels like one I
Speaker 1: could help in case I recognize someone. And two we
Speaker 1: get an update of like, hey, thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for the help. There's been something something has happened
Speaker 1: as a result. So I'm like, yay. So Gossip of
Speaker 1: the City get you.
Speaker 2: Saturday on ig right, love it?
Speaker 1: I mean a fan following Mandra and I what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Mandy money, Mandy with an I thank you
Speaker 1: very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you for just what. That's a true friend. One
Speaker 2: who remembers my name is spelled with an eye.
Speaker 1: Yes, follow us on ig. I'm the bunch oftista, Mandy
Speaker 1: with an Eye and Brown Ambition podcast. Right, it's not
Speaker 1: the It's just Brown Ambition podcast or pod? Which one
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: I genuinely don't remember. I'm malnourished and I have a
Speaker 2: bunch of girl.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight it really quickly because I do want
Speaker 1: us for you guys to fall because I love when
Speaker 1: you guys follow us.
Speaker 2: And like I think it's just at Brown Ambition podcast.
Speaker 2: You right, You're right, you are. I should know because
Speaker 2: I'm on all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like just I'm like, okay, I should get Brown
Speaker 1: Ambition podcasts. So you can't. You can't, you can't get
Speaker 1: it wrong. So I expect an uptick right now. We're
Speaker 1: at forty two four thy two and eighty nine. Mark
Speaker 1: that number. Uh, so I expect to see an uptick.
Speaker 2: So you know whoa okay that accountability? Thank you guys.
Speaker 2: Well I heard we're still being featured on Spotify's Bay
Speaker 2: Black section. I still get alerts from friends, texts and stuff.
Speaker 2: So thank y'all Spotify for for amplifying us. We're about
Speaker 2: to hit five years. So this is a beautiful, a
Speaker 2: beautiful and long overdue? Is that too presumptuous? Would be
Speaker 2: to say? A long overdue recognition?
Speaker 1: Love it?
Speaker 2: Thank thank y'all so much for listening to another episode
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