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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always on Island time.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesseling podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: and it's a full house because it's a QB Island Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox, Colleen Wolf. To my right, Steve Weisch, and

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Speaker 1: Jordan Rodriege of The Athletic. How are we doing here

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Speaker 1: for the season finale of America's favorite program.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting all season for it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you aren't even here for the lay I think, well,

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Speaker 3: I was waiting to see how you're going to change

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Speaker 3: the rules on the fly again.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Steve for saying there's a lot of feedback

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Speaker 4: about this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know I got grief upstairs. I got grief.

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Speaker 3: Why did you get grief?

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Speaker 1: They were saying because someone was pitching Bryce Young as

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Speaker 1: a potential QB Island resident. I said, yeah, we should

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Speaker 1: absolutely talk about Bryce Young. He's like, well, if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about like right now, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking it's maybe it's the last one of

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Speaker 1: the season. I think this should be a document for

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Speaker 1: the entire season. And then multiple people are like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to make up rules and stick

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Speaker 1: to them. You got you never stick to the rules

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and people have feelings. I've been getting that

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Speaker 1: grief from Jordan as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, every week we do this, something new just sort

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Speaker 4: of emerges in terms of whether that's the fun of it,

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Speaker 4: just whether it's the parameters of how we're judging these

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Speaker 4: guys changes. You know, first we started with whatever you want,

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Speaker 4: right and who is defining quarterback play right now? Those

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Speaker 4: are Greg Rosenthal's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Then it was a four game sample size.

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Speaker 1: It was never a four games.

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Speaker 3: It also was Jordan, you can't be hurt and beyond

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Speaker 3: here either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that became something It was a long time and great.

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Speaker 1: So I think for this one, I have always said

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Speaker 1: anyone can interpret interpret it however they want, but I

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Speaker 1: do think this is the last one of the season

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Speaker 1: because some of these quarterbacks can't play anymore, and it'd

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Speaker 1: be good to have a document of the season. And

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Speaker 1: it was never a four game sample. It was just

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Speaker 1: you've said it on the show, you have.

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Speaker 2: What I mean is like we've we fluid competition here, Like.

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Speaker 1: We only are talking in four week chunks. So it

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Speaker 1: was like you're adding that new four week sample to

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Speaker 1: the overall picture and you're maybe giving a little more.

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Speaker 4: Wait a week sample size to argue for or against.

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Speaker 1: We have stuff to get to, we have news, we

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Speaker 1: wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: Ken he here, you're breaking up. He has to call

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Speaker 2: you back.

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Speaker 4: Oh my mic kind of someone cut the corner of

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Speaker 4: my mic.

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Speaker 1: All. We wanted to do QB Island for the whole show,

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Speaker 1: but NFL was NFL in and frankly, life is lifeing

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Speaker 1: and I already feel better with the camera turney on

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Speaker 1: and talking to you guys and talking about QB Island.

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Speaker 1: Then we did a half an hour ago watching these

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Speaker 1: wildfires in the Palisades, uh, not not far from us.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so we were hoping to tape this show and

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Speaker 1: get out of here. But yes, Jordan, like, I got

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Speaker 1: in here nice and early to do a lot of

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Speaker 1: prep and stuff today, and it's like I have not

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Speaker 1: been doing any prep, worrying about friends and just what's

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Speaker 1: going on in this.

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Speaker 4: Jordan looks like, yeah, I will say too, like I

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Speaker 4: learned something really cool about Greg today, And I genuinely

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Speaker 4: mean this. Greg, Like when one person is panicking slightly

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Speaker 4: and like clutching their sternum, the other person gets really

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Speaker 4: really calm, And Greg was really really calm. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was in those situations, being somewhat in the vicinity.

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Speaker 1: Of these things. Yes, And I had just gotten off

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Speaker 1: the phone with my wife, who I was the one

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Speaker 1: more freaking out and being like, you got the waters

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Speaker 1: in the car and we're ready to like transfer here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Emica. Yeah, because she's the reason why that

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Speaker 4: calm transferred to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we will. We will talk a little news,

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Speaker 1: we'll get the QBI, and then we'll get out of

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Speaker 1: here and make sure everyone is safe in West LA. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, the job status of a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: they are not safe, including their head coach, and Antonio

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Speaker 1: Pierce was fired on Tuesday. When we talked on Monday

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Speaker 1: Show with being appaport, he made it clear no one

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Speaker 1: really knows what's going on there. Antonio Pierce is acting

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Speaker 1: like he feels like it's safe. He did his press

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Speaker 1: conference as normal, but we learned on Tuesday Mark Davis,

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Speaker 1: after consulting people around him, including you know, minority owner

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, decided to make the decision to change coaches.

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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce Steve is out after only one full season.

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Speaker 1: He was the interim in twenty twenty three, and Tom Telesco,

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Speaker 1: the general manager, is staying at least for now.

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Speaker 3: For now, for now. I mean, look, it's it's the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: We don't know when you know, they could have delayed

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Speaker 3: reaction like that. They didn't have to let Antonio Pierce

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Speaker 3: go out there and do that press conference. Yes, yep,

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Speaker 3: they they knew they were doing this. You heard, you've

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Speaker 3: heard for weeks that he's likely gonna be wanted done.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know, there we had the cover of him

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Speaker 3: winning what his final few games. You know, Mark Davis

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Speaker 3: is excited about that they're not gonna have the first

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Speaker 3: overall pick, but they don't care about all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And then let him go and this again no surprise. Uh,

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Speaker 3: it's but I mean, he would you expect? I mean,

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Speaker 3: did you expect that of this team? They had no quarterback?

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Speaker 3: What skill position? Guys other when they start the season

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Speaker 3: they had Davante Adams once he was like who threat

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Speaker 3: the whole season? What did you expect? It was the

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Speaker 3: same thing in New England. This was a rebuild with

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Speaker 3: no quarterbacks. Were you expecting to make the playoffs? They competed.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying that. There may be other reasons

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Speaker 3: but this, I'm just gonna say this, coming on the

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Speaker 3: heels of ran Carthon, the GM of Tennessee getting fired

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Speaker 3: after two years. And I said it the other day

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Speaker 3: on air. Look the frustration for a lot of minority coaches.

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Speaker 3: They don't get the patients of some other coaches. They

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Speaker 3: don't get that Joe Judge patience, right, and so two

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Speaker 3: to one and done in coaches with Geradmeo and Antonio appears.

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Speaker 3: Ran Carthon tightened. You get the first overall pick and

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Speaker 3: they blow them out. Okay, so you're gonna understand my

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Speaker 3: phones are blowing up. You're gonna understand why a lot

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Speaker 3: as they are with others. Again, there may be legitimate

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Speaker 3: that Telesco still has his job, that Elliot Wolf still

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Speaker 3: But they're out. I mean so again, optics is everything,

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Speaker 3: and my interpretational less optics say one thing. They may

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Speaker 3: well deserve for these guys to be out, but it

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Speaker 3: is what it is. I know we're starting off QB

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Speaker 2: It was so disrespectful. I thought for too, Antonio Pierce,

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Speaker 2: for the shoe to drop. And like you said, for

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Speaker 4: Tom Tellesco's really good at keeping his job and as

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Speaker 4: the head coach gets at staff. Here are two seasons.

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Speaker 4: This was obviously a similar situation situation, and Steve to

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Speaker 4: your point, teams who don't know what they want exacerbate

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Speaker 4: systemic issues that we know are real in this league

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Speaker 4: via hiring processes. And these are teams that lack direction

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Speaker 4: let them go. And it's a thin coaches market too.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of strong candidates. We know this, but

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Speaker 4: talking to agents, coaches agents around the league this they

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Speaker 4: the ones. It also explains why the ones who are

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Speaker 4: Shane and a Brian Dable for example. It explains in

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Speaker 4: part as to why Mara is comfortable staying patient. This

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ian mentioned how owners amongst themselves were talking about

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Speaker 1: how expensive it is to have this dead money of

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Speaker 1: all these staffs because it's not just the head coach. True,

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Speaker 1: you're placing a lot of people. And is this the

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Speaker 1: smart thing to do? Mark Davis for a long time,

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Speaker 1: Mark Davis not afraid of that. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: paying multiple staffs and you're so right about not knowing

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Speaker 1: what they want because like Telesco wasn't even there when

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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce was hired. Correct, he was an assistant and

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Speaker 1: just a small point on Telesco and Ellie Wolf. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if they stay. You always keep the GM in

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Speaker 1: which situation because you just don't know where it's going

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Speaker 1: know there now. Pierce was an interesting case. I do

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Speaker 1: I think he had them playing hard and played to

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Speaker 1: the level that they should play. I think Girod Mayo

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Speaker 1: was uniquely struggling with the front facing portions of the job,

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Speaker 1: with the media and with his own players, losing respect

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Speaker 1: of both at a level that, like I've said on

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Speaker 1: this show, reminded me a lot of Freddie Kitchens and

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Speaker 1: I think he was in a he had a uniquely

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Speaker 1: bad year. I think Antonio Pierce has done a good

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Speaker 1: job since he took over on balance, Well what did

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Speaker 2: Look at what he's working, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Talk about a lot on this show. Actually, Like I

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Speaker 1: was always impressed watching the Raiders that they like they're

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Speaker 1: always in these games. They could have won a lot

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Speaker 1: Like we'll see if the Texans play him that tight

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Speaker 4: That can be true, and that is true, and it also,

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Speaker 4: unfortunately is true that they're clearly looking for an improvement

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Speaker 4: of that. There also was a somewhat seismic although they're

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Speaker 4: going to pretend it's a very small percentage, but a

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Speaker 4: seismic shakeup within that quote unquote ownership group. They have

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Speaker 4: somebody new who's going to be making decisions. That's Tom Brady,

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Speaker 4: who's going to be having input and insight into the

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Speaker 4: future direction of this franchise, including which quarterback that this

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Speaker 2: Mark Dave is going to be listening to him too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he's a number one guy. He's

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Speaker 3: going to be seeking input.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really feel for Pierce, but there were

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Speaker 1: distractions with this team and he he had a major distraction.

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Speaker 1: It was a big story in training camp, the bankruptcy

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Speaker 1: filing that Antonio Pierce ultimately was responsible for tens of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars in a civil judgment that we don't

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Speaker 4: Yes, and this isn't twenty twenty exactly, move there exactly.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you want? You want whatever Tom Brady, you

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Speaker 1: Because now I wonder if there's going to be a

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Speaker 4: Exactly what Mirabel wants and Patriots, Tom Brady's old teammate,

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Speaker 4: And this is the ripple effect that gives Howie Roseman's

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Speaker 3: Brian Callahan, Now you're like, well, I'm on finn Ice here.

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Speaker 4: the show, the Bryce Young CJ. Stroud situation. Right, it

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Speaker 1: It was not going to like they spend a lot

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Speaker 1: Yes, there is this assumption that executives have this plan

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Speaker 4: Like I think he gave it away in his press conference.

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Speaker 2: Shortcuts are not going to get you in.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, but General Manner's not going

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Speaker 1: Sure, but you could easily remove Trent Balki and it'd

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Speaker 4: I'm saying they should have kept him. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. I actually think keeping them both.

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Speaker 3: Is better than you have.

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Speaker 3: best situation to go to, but they're keeping Ryan Poles

438
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Speaker 3: as a general mean two for Caleb, right, but they're saying,

439
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Speaker 3: you know, again, why would you necessarily want to go

440
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: there when it's clear that Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren,

441
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 3: the team president, have a very strong relationship. Why would

442
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson want to go there? Yeah, and go there

443
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Speaker 3: for the quarterback, But don't you want to go there

444
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: with someone who you know who has your back again,

445
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Speaker 3: with a re Agne, with a John Dorsey, someone on

446
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Speaker 3: that personnel.

447
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Speaker 2: Staff in Detroit, especially as a first time head coach.

448
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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's possible. You hear things about Ben

449
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 4: Johnson and what he's interested in, like kind of what

450
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 4: how his workflow goes and all of that. I think

451
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 4: it is possible. You do have the unique candidate perhaps

452
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 4: is less interested in having full control over the entire

453
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Speaker 4: system and more so controlling that particular element of it

454
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Speaker 4: and being the mad scientist and kind of cooking in

455
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Speaker 4: that way.

456
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Speaker 1: Well, he interviewed with the Patriots Go give it to

457
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: the go get it done Patriots. Surprise everyone, don't.

458
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Speaker 3: Go back to it. He might be the backup if

459
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Speaker 3: Rabel ends up and.

460
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Speaker 1: Don't go back to the old stuff. They also interviewed

461
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Speaker 1: Pap Hamilton, who was a quarterback coach of Joe. Milton

462
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: was also here at NFL Network as a head coach.

463
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: You hate to think it, but that feels like, yep,

464
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Speaker 1: he's just wasting his time. There a sham interview.

465
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Speaker 3: Because Byron left two of them one day.

466
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Speaker 1: Byron left which as well.

467
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Speaker 3: And just for those who don't know, if you interview

468
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: two minority candidates from outside of the organization, you meet

469
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Speaker 3: all criteria for the Ruiney rule.

470
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Speaker 1: Right.

471
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Speaker 3: I guarantee Mike Grabe will be in there by the

472
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Speaker 3: end of the week.

473
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Speaker 2: Now, they could be candidate's opticks either and.

474
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Speaker 4: To follow up, real interviews take longer than half a.

475
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Speaker 1: Day, and they could be candidates potentially for the offensive staff.

476
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Speaker 1: Maybe they're trying to do work there. Who really knows.

477
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Speaker 1: We have a new opening, and I don't think we're

478
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Speaker 1: all totally done here. I think there are situations around

479
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: the league, like we don't know about Dallas.

480
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're never done right, this is quickly.

481
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Speaker 1: I've got my eye on New Orleans where locally they

482
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Speaker 1: are assuming that Mickey Loomis is going to be hiring

483
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Speaker 1: this head coach, and I just just keep an eye

484
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Speaker 1: on that.

485
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Speaker 3: I think, oh, what do you know?

486
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Speaker 1: I don't know anything, But I'm just saying the.

487
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Speaker 4: People who know something based on the fact.

488
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Speaker 1: All I need to know is that they fired the

489
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Speaker 1: head coach against Mickey Loomis's wishes, and then he released

490
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Speaker 1: a statement essentially announcing it was against his and I

491
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: know he's been there a long time. But maybe you

492
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Speaker 1: can move them along to co executive vice president of

493
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Speaker 1: Benson Enterprises. But it has nothing to do with making

494
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Speaker 1: football decisions. With the Saints, we'll see. I don't know.

495
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Speaker 3: It's a very periphial organization. It really really is, because

496
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: they run the Pelicans as well.

497
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Speaker 1: Right, you could give him, you can give him a promotion,

498
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: you can give him more mad but not involved.

499
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Speaker 3: No, he's very involved.

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Speaker 1: We'll see basketball. Let's take a quick break. We got

501
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Speaker 1: to get to QB Island. But that was a great

502
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Speaker 1: conversation between three really smart people and myself back on

503
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Speaker 1: quarterback Island.

504
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Speaker 2: At a minute, I was crush, he's not talking, she

505
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: was so.

506
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Speaker 5: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort

507
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: of their stadiums and luxury suites for.

508
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: The adventure of a lifetime.

509
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 5: These brit iron heroes are used to leading their teams

510
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Speaker 5: on the feet, but can they outplay, out last, and

511
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 5: out throw each other in the Ultimate Survival Challenge.

512
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Speaker 1: You ain't everything you have with the gobains tied you man,

513
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: we find a way to win.

514
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: The no matter what.

515
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 5: The stakes are high and the competition is fearce only

516
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 5: one can claim the title of the Ultimate survivor. Who

517
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 5: will rise to the top and who will be sacked?

518
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Speaker 1: They wrote me off, I ain't right back though, that's

519
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: the problem.

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Speaker 3: Al right back, let's go.

521
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Speaker 5: This is Quarterback Island.

522
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, they'd be writing back to Tino today. We'll

523
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: have to find out one of the big questions we

524
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Speaker 1: are going to answer on the season finale of QB Island.

525
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Speaker 1: And thanks as always to the great pipes of Randy Javins,

526
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: who is now producing podcasts over at Sinclair, I believe.

527
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: And now doing voiceover work.

528
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Speaker 4: Probably he should be Yeah, he sounds so good. I

529
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 4: remember the first day I heard that intro, and my

530
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 4: I don't think I've had like that much joy. No,

531
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean no, it was a lot of joy.

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: It's fine, I'm fine.

533
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: I do need to give Jordan a hook.

534
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Hal turns out when your dog got stuck behind the

535
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: couch this week, Oh yeah, that's a big time.

536
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: He doesn't know how to back up oh no, try

537
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: to turn stall. So he turned around, he got into

538
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: like a little half croissant, and he got stuck.

539
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: That's got to be better even than.

540
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: Play by play. You'll not believe what's happening in my

541
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: house right now.

542
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: Every time I think of this story and your dog,

543
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna think of something with beep beep. I never

544
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Speaker 3: know the joy.

545
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Speaker 1: All right, little heart, QB Island. You haven't listened all season.

546
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Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. We started inches away from my face.

547
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: In training camp and we voted on twelve quarterbacks who

548
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: would represent the position right now? Who's the best, who

549
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: symbolically means the most. We started the season and we

550
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Speaker 1: voted quarterbacks off and onto the island throughout the court

551
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: of the season. Last time around, we lowered the number

552
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Speaker 1: to ten.

553
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 3: Who did I did? Yes, you did?

554
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Speaker 1: The committee did before the show, the executive, you're the

555
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: commit producing committee. Jordan's involved, not in that particular decision,

556
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: but ten. Ten quarterbacks remained at the end of last

557
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Quarterback Island, and ten will remain into the office. Ten

558
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: is a nice have a solid rule.

559
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Speaker 4: Did you put an asterisk round number?

560
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Speaker 3: You know why he did that? Now you know why

561
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: he did that, Yes, you did.

562
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Speaker 1: No, we talked about it. Jordan was involved in this one.

563
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Speaker 1: Ten feels good. I like it as a document who

564
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: are the ten quarterbacks that defined this regular season? So

565
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: we are looking back, but you can you could choose

566
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Speaker 1: to vote guys on and off however you want. I

567
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: think it's fair to wait the end of the season

568
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Speaker 1: more if you want, but at least how I'm operating,

569
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the season as a whole as the

570
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Speaker 1: most important factor. But yes, that nebulous defining the position

571
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: or who's really been it this year in terms of

572
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: mattering like that, that can play a party.

573
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Speaker 4: Two wrote it down because as a Capital J journalist,

574
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Speaker 4: it's important that we are on the record with the

575
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Speaker 4: phrase which ten quarterbacks defined this regular season? Quote end quote,

576
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Speaker 4: Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got it. But I also I'm saying more. I'm

578
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: saying my number one thing is who is the best ultimately?

579
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: But that is part of the equation. Maybe to split

580
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Speaker 1: some hair.

581
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Speaker 3: I love this. I love this.

582
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Speaker 1: Okay, So last time we left ten guys on and

583
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read their names quickly and then I'm

584
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna suggest I actually think we have a lot of

585
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: guys that are safe. Yes, you can watch on YouTube.

586
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: We've got the graphic up. It was Joe, Josh Allen,

587
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in no particular order other than alphabetical, Jade

588
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: and Daniels, Sam Darnold, Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Lamar, Jackson,

589
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes, and Gino Smith.

590
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: The next Quarterback Island. We will rank them in order

591
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: of talent.

592
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 4: That makes me feel sweaty.

593
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, Jordan did come up with Quarterback Island.

594
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: She is the originator and.

595
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: I watched its spiral out of all of my control.

596
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: Part of it was you didn't want to rank guys,

597
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: you just wanted to, but ultimately making ten, it is

598
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: ranking at least around ten. Nine to ten. Now we

599
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: could talk about some of these guys a little bit,

600
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: although we spent a lot of time already talking coaches.

601
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: I actually think there are some tears here, but I

602
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: personally think seven quarterbacks are going to be on without

603
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion, and so I'm just going to

604
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: read them and if you guys disagree at the end

605
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: of it, you can disagree with whatever you want, and

606
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: then we could vote if you want. I think that

607
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: the top four Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and

608
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes have been the top four really throughout. Yes,

609
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: I believe that the way Jared Goff has played all

610
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: season and the way Justin Herbert put himself on this

611
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: island halfway through the season and has finished the season

612
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: make them really obvious that we're not even gonna debate

613
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: about it, are we.

614
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm off have a debate point on this and

615
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: on Herbert just such a reminder to the listeners. He

616
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: was not initially on the island because he was injured,

617
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: and so once he was caught, once he was able

618
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: to be on the island, we put him on the island,

619
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Speaker 4: and he more than earned his Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he basically was halfway through the season. He had

621
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Speaker 1: just come back and then he got hurt again and

622
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: so it took a little bit.

623
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Speaker 2: The opened up a little bit.

624
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about him on previous show tomorrow.

625
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Speaker 1: My god, he's right there with those top guys, and

626
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: so is GoF This is the best golf has ever played.

627
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Speaker 1: Number seven And I did say this in the order

628
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Speaker 1: that I would put him, and I think just I

629
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Speaker 1: think safe. It's Jayden Daniels. I would put him, like

630
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I would do tier below those six guys, and yet

631
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Speaker 1: in terms of consistency, in terms of numbers, in terms

632
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: of defining the position, I think he's pretty am I right, I.

633
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Speaker 2: Think he is. The Only thing I would potentially flag

634
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: is that he's a rookie. We haven't seen a huge

635
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: sample size. I know, we're just going by the season though,

636
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about last year with c J. Stroud,

637
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: he would have absolutely been on the island and this

638
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Speaker 2: year not. So it's like, I don't know, but it's.

639
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: Just he's been on the island.

640
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Speaker 2: I have rest issues here, so or.

641
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Speaker 1: You're an nfcast fan who right didn't really.

642
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Speaker 4: Talk now, I agree because he says of the rookie

643
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: class too. He also defines the rookie class which was

644
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Speaker 4: defined which was punctuated by a lot of really talented rookies,

645
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Speaker 4: including the emergence of Bone next here in the second

646
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Speaker 4: half of the season. I think that Jaden Daniels is

647
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: the face of this rookie class of quarterbacks, each which

648
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: had a very unique and important story, but certainly between

649
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Speaker 4: numbers between the entire franchise just having life to it

650
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: and like he was like a human like saging the place,

651
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: you know, like he just he was brilliant for them.

652
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Speaker 2: That was an organization that got out of its systemic

653
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Speaker 2: problems Like that was like a full clean out of

654
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Speaker 2: everything and everyone. And now look at what they have done.

655
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Speaker 1: Now. That reminds me of that. Cliff Kingsbury had, according

656
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Speaker 1: to the people in Las Vegas, in agreement with the

657
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Speaker 1: Raiders at least a verbal one right to be their

658
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. Right bailed to go to Washington.

659
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Speaker 3: It would not have gone as well as what.

660
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: A good move that was for him.

661
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Speaker 3: Here's the Jade naniolsing as well. Okay, let's suppose he said,

662
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: let's rest the rookie and play the veteran Marcus Mariota.

663
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Speaker 3: Are we talking about Terry mcluurin the way we're talking

664
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Speaker 3: about him? Are we talking about Zach Ertze the way

665
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: we're talking about Look at what this guy who's done

666
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: for other people, the way he's played, the way he

667
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: sees the game.

668
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: Lord, I've seen what you've done for others.

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Speaker 2: Correct, this is like an all time rookie season.

670
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Speaker 1: Although, to be to be fair to Cliff, I was

671
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: running these numbers I was talking about of like, looking

672
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: at all the stats and I at first sorted by

673
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Speaker 1: at least fifty dropbacks. Do you know who leads the

674
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Speaker 1: NFL in completion percentage EPA per drop back, completion percentage

675
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: over expected, and success rate among all quarterbacks in the

676
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Speaker 1: NFL with at least fifty drop backs. No, but it's

677
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Speaker 1: it's on his team, Marcus Mariota, who's had exactly fifty dropbacks.

678
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Speaker 6: I was like, what is Heah, I'm just saying I'm

679
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Speaker 6: not putting them on the list, but let's give Marcus

680
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Speaker 6: Mariota some credit mark playing three good quarters or whatever.

681
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Speaker 1: It was. Oh my god, he really. I was just

682
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: like I was shocked, and I was like, okay, I

683
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: need to make this like two hundred and fifty.

684
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Speaker 3: You need to get a hobby man. This is too

685
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: intense if you're going deep to exactly fifty attempts to

686
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Speaker 3: justify your metric.

687
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Speaker 1: I just that's where I started, and I was like,

688
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: this is funny.

689
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Speaker 2: Mariolnis.

690
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: Right.

691
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: I played with John Gonzales on New Year's Day morning.

692
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: We started off the year healthy. Go Okay, we were

693
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Speaker 1: in Plia Vista.

694
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: Fair fine, I'll allow it.

695
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Speaker 4: It was nice, by the way. The real answer to

696
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Speaker 4: most of those statistics is Joe Burrow.

697
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if you if you raise it up,

698
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Dudeen Daniels is right near the top of a lot

699
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: of those. Okay, so we got seven. There were three

700
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: more guys on the on the list that I didn't name,

701
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Gino Smith, CM Darnold. I think one way

702
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: we could start this is talk about those guys and

703
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: potentially vote him or on or off or hold it

704
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: if you guys wanted to, we could always put them

705
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: back on if in the end we think they are worthy.

706
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: Do you want to do? You want to get going?

707
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna throw out someone first that I

708
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the easiest. I'm just I don't care.

709
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: I actually think this won't be that hard. I don't go.

710
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think, Colleen about Jordan Love.

711
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: Okay. I think that he should be off the island.

712
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: He was one of the guys that I outlined here.

713
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I had two guys that I wanted off the island.

714
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: I have three guys that I wanted in. So math

715
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: doesn't really math there, But I just feel like with him,

716
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't I feel like there are guys that have

717
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: more of a case to be on the island than

718
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: he does. Guys like I mean, Jalen Hurts is not

719
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: on this island, or like what are we doing here? Yeah,

720
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: I know, Matthew Stafford is like a bit of a

721
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: I ripped him off situation on this show.

722
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: We'll get to all that, but just talking whether we

723
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: want to vote Love off. Yes, you think he doesn't

724
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: have as good a case?

725
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so, I think his ceiling is among the

726
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: highest of all or most of the quarterbacks that we're

727
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: about to put on the island. That's his ceiling. I

728
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: think his floor can be a bit lower, and it

729
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: certainly has showed and it's plummeted some of his more

730
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: advanced metrics. He's thirteenth in total EPA. True, but he's

731
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: also thirty seventh in EPA per dropback, which would if

732
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: taken by itself, which we never do, but if that

733
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: was taken by itself, would not even have him in

734
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: the qualifying conversation. Twenty five touchdowns, eleven interceptions, again not terrible,

735
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: but if you look at, say, for example, at Jared Goff,

736
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: who's thrown twelve interceptions, he's also thrown thirty seven touchdowns,

737
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: and yes, Jordan Love missed some time, so we have

738
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: to keep that included in the conversation. But in my opinion,

739
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: while his ceiling is astoundingly high, and in fact higher

740
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: than a lot of these guys that we're talking about

741
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: on the island today, I do think he has some

742
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: some floors this year that have hurt his case.

743
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Weill's think how we ended the season. He didn't make

744
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: it through the game. He didn't play well against the Vikings.

745
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: It was too little, too late in that game. Ultimately,

746
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I do think the end of the season, those games

747
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: are more important and so to me they weigh a

748
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: little heavier, and ultimately it reminded me of guy who

749
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: is great. But even when we put him on like

750
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: I felt good about it, and he played well the

751
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: next game against the Lions, and yet since then it's

752
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: just been like, he's not at that top level.

753
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: Yet here's why he's to me, he's off. Okay, what

754
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: are we talking about the Packers' offensive identities right now?

755
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: It's the run game.

756
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: It is Josh Jacobs in the run game. That's it.

757
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: End of argument.

758
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Let's vote. I have a big no. I gotta know

759
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: he gone, okay, Sorry, Jordan, we got one spot open.

760
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Well that's good. Do the Geno thing? Now? Why not?

761
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: What do we say? I don't. I don't even want

762
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: to start on the Gino.

763
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as much as as much as

764
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: you've been like Gino. I mean, I'm I'm teetering with Gino.

765
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 4: Now.

766
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: We could all the maybes and include Hitter on it

767
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: and just decide at the very end if we want.

768
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: But let's at least talk about.

769
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: Him now really quick before we get there. And I'm sorry,

770
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: I did this really quickly on my computer, and forgive me.

771
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: I was a little distracted earlier before the show, but

772
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: I didn't have the right filter on Jordan Love is

773
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: in fact sixteenth and EPA per drop back among quarterbacks

774
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: qualifying with fifty plus dropbacks this season. I did not

775
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: want to let Jordan Love okay, float away from the

776
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: island with that low of a rating on.

777
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: Good but still outside, still as good as Marcus Mario.

778
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: Still outside the top, still outside the top. But just

779
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: wanted to fact check that real quick. Anyway, continue, Greg,

780
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: what were you saying about?

781
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'll reserve the boot for Gino, even though

782
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm very much leaning that way. He's been a radic

783
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: over the past few games, but you know he has delivered.

784
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: Is Oc got sacked. It's never a good sign for

785
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: a quarterback and quarterback Island. But I'm just saying I'm

786
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: going to keep him on the fence depending on the

787
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: options to vote.

788
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: People, Yeah, on the case for him, and it's really

789
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: difficult is to try to take him away from the

790
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: situation that he was in to just evaluate the position.

791
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: In terms of defining the position. I think that's a

792
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: ding for him this year. The team didn't make it there,

793
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: like there.

794
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: Often had no identity, like.

795
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: What were they no, And it just seems like his

796
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: teams they just always have a ceiling, like it's it's

797
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: always like nine wins.

798
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: He also threw so much that he's going to be

799
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: high in the volume stats, like he's second in yard,

800
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: second in touch, and high in interception. For what it's

801
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: worth it, at the his turnover worthy play percentage was

802
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: quite low, which would indicate like he was very good

803
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: at turnover worthy play percentage, which would indicate a he's

804
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: not fumbling a lot, like like a Baker who leads

805
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: the league in it, or Darnold who's close and then

806
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: be his interceptible balls happened to be caught more at

807
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: a higher rate.

808
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: So the part of the issue, and I am one

809
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: million percent anti factoring wins into quarterback play against that

810
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: wins are not a quarterback stat. They're a coaching stat,

811
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: but they're not a quarterback stat. However, there are only

812
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: a couple of quarterbacks who did not make the playoffs

813
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: in a year in which quarterback Island is defining quarterback

814
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: play for the season that we are going to talk about.

815
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: One of them is a no brainer yes on the

816
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: Island in Joe Burrow.

817
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: That's exactly who I was thinking about with ga.

818
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: Geno is not in the playoffs, and that's a lot

819
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: of that's not his fault. So Seahawks fans like, I

820
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: see you, I hear you, like, please know, I think

821
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: that he's played some absolute elite quarterback this year and

822
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 4: over the past couple of years. But if we're talking

823
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: about the end Island yes right, and defining the position

824
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: this year, the one quarterback in terms of whether or

825
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: not they're in the playoffs that you would then comp

826
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: him to is Burrow.

827
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gino Smith is not going to be a

828
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, where of course Joe Burrow doesn't have the

829
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: wins to back it up. But Joe Burrow has this

830
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: this quality about him where he can pull everyone up

831
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: around him and he's his effort. The way that he

832
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: plays it's just different. It feels like it should be

833
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: game changing even though the results were not there. But

834
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: he has this like it factor that I don't think

835
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: Gino has.

836
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: No question, they're in different tiers. I don't get you know,

837
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: if we're gonna get into wins THO. Like, to me,

838
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: that's an argument of like a Sam Darnold who racks

839
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: up Fort Vergina. It's not an argument of that Baker

840
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: Mayfield's in it. And I'm on the fence with Baker

841
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: and Sam.

842
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: I'm not on the fence with Baker.

843
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: Baker's team won ten games and had one of the

844
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: easiest schedules in the league. So to me, he gets

845
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: no extra credit over Gino that they won. This to

846
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: me for me personally, that he won the same amount

847
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: of games as Gino. No, I know, I'm just saying,

848
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: like injuries, I kind of am because to me, those

849
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: two might be my last spot, Like trying to decide

850
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: between the.

851
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: Another ten one quarterback we're talking about later that we

852
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: haven't mentioned yet.

853
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: Who would that be?

854
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I will get there.

855
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let me make the case because I'm the one

856
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: that obviously is gonna have to make it here for

857
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: Geno in pure dropbacks, and so that's taking away RPOs,

858
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: play action passes in screens second in the entire NFL.

859
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: In success rate when pressured, third in the entire NFL

860
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: when pressured, top five, and completion percentage over expected obviously

861
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: very high in the counting stats like yards and touchdowns

862
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: and completion percentage in general top ten in the league

863
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: when blitzed. So that's those are stats that people in

864
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: the league like to run because it tries to remove

865
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: some of the situation around him some more.

866
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: Stats and they can be paired with the value and

867
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 4: ability of your receivers, which is the argument that people

868
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: made last year about Brock Purty when he was really

869
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: high in success rate in some of those numbers. Those

870
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: are not just the quarterback in a vacuum.

871
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: No question, And it's weird because the difference between him

872
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: and Purty is like the Seahawks offense wasn't good. It

873
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: was a below average offense. One of the reasons why

874
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: dead lack thirty first in the league and starting field

875
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: position twenty sixth in pass block win rate. One of

876
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: the worst running running teams in the league, almost never

877
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: used play actions, and when one of the worst screen

878
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: teams in the league, and so he sort of was

879
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: on an island. And that's just the case for it

880
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: that he's that high first, second, third in success rate

881
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: in these categories where you take it out. And so

882
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: that's my case, and I'll show.

883
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: So the listeners have the full context of his advanced

884
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: metrics also ranked rank finished the season ranking twenty eighth

885
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 4: in total EPA and twenty fifth in EPA per dropback.

886
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: And again you can correlate some of that with the

887
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: absolute crater of an offensive system and scheme that that

888
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: team was, and a crater of an offensive line. Now,

889
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: I am not holding that stuff against Gino. In the

890
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 4: two times that I saw him play live this year

891
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: and then watch his tape every week, and then two

892
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: times I saw him play live, I thought he was outstanding.

893
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: My favorite play of the year for him was when

894
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 4: his pocket was collapsing last week and he did a

895
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: spin move to avoid two interior defensive linemen who were

896
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: about to bring him down and then stepped through the

897
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: pocket and then completed the pass downfield. I think he

898
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: is outstanding. I am a big Geno Smith fan. If

899
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: we're talking about quarterback Island in the context of defining

900
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: the position this year, then I'm I'm really on the

901
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: fence with him, and it'll really have to depend on

902
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: how other guys shake out.

903
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I was ready to just give up the ghosts

904
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: and then.

905
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: Well, you know what. You know what's interesting is I'm

906
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: not willing to let my biases over how the last

907
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: episode or you know, my bias isn't he.

908
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: Getting discussed here today?

909
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: Anyways, there's a lot of a lot of baggage here.

910
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: I think thanks happening.

911
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because he is such an interesting case

912
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: that obviously that they they ultimately were a little disappointed.

913
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, that game last week, even though it's against

914
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: the back, it was just it just reminded me of like,

915
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: my god, it just pure quarterbacking level. Do I ultimately

916
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: believe he's in the top ten right now? He is

917
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: on the edge. It's close, but I am leaning yes

918
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: ultimately for a lot of those stats. Let's talk about

919
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the other guys, let's talk about Darnold right now, because

920
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I didn't going into last week it would have been

921
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: safe to say, Colleen, he might have got mentioned in

922
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: that little top of the show with the first seven.

923
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: He had one of the worst games. I don't think

924
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: this is an opinion that any good quarterback hat all season.

925
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: In Week eighteen, in the biggest moment, like that's fair.

926
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: He had one of the maybe the worst week any

927
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: quarterback had in the entire league last week for that

928
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: to happen on Sunday night football, and happened in a

929
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: similar way to ways he's lost before, where it just

930
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: seemed like he froze on some level yep, and could.

931
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: Not He was so off with some of those throws.

932
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: And mentally kind of couldn't. He couldn't get through it,

933
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: couldn't get over it. He got stuck. It's a tough last,

934
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: last final statement for QB Island and puts him on

935
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: the edget at least for me and because of that performance.

936
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: But also it's won one game, and it was like

937
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: the one game it was.

938
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 3: Everyone's watching James a long deal.

939
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: It's a huge I mean, that was a playoff game

940
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: that was essentially like a play in game, it felt like,

941
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: But for Sam Donald, I mean, you don't look at

942
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: the resume for all of the other games of the

943
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: season and how he performed. He was great in almost

944
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: every single one, I would say, and then this game

945
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: it was bad. This was like a little bit of

946
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: the the old Sam Donald.

947
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: It was. It was a trap door we've been waiting

948
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: for all seasons that he didn't step on.

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: He kind of did with the Jacksonville game. But his

950
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: defense defense, they.

951
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: Got him two picks deep in Linees territory and that's

952
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: when he floundered. They had to kick field goals. And

953
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: that's why it's like, is he going to do this

954
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: in the playoffs? Right, We've got that question. But if

955
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: we're talking about the island, comparing him to guys like Gino, like, no,

956
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: Sam Donald on this island. I think he's got a

957
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: nice place there on a nice palm tree, hanging out

958
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: near Joey B. George not conding.

959
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 4: I'm on the fence with Sam because, like I, for

960
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: most of the season, his floor was so high, right,

961
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 4: which I know, it's like I might as well put

962
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: it tattooed across my forehead. At this point, his the

963
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: entire point was to raise Sam Darnold's floor, and that happened,

964
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: and then it even lifted his ceiling even higher. I

965
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: do think that, like, if we're going to go over

966
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: his resume for the entire season, I've seen a quarterback

967
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: who had earned his place, at least for the first

968
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 4: like the middle section of shows that we did before

969
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: we pulled him had earned his place. Let's not forget

970
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 4: we did pull him.

971
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he had that two week stretch what are

972
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: you talking about right before we did one where he

973
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: really was struggle, which is.

974
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 3: Why I was the argument for quarterback wins. It's been

975
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: discussed previously, which we see where you're going.

976
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 4: But also some of that getting pulling him off the

977
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: island happened in a very less than night.

978
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter to the show rules. He's on the island

979
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: coming into week fifteen when we last died it, yes,

980
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: and actually was playing great, great, yeah, the couple weeks

981
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: before this game. So to Colleen's point, it really was

982
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: one game, but it is it was a big game,

983
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: and it was bad enough that then you start looking

984
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: at the rest of it because the rest of the

985
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: statistical profile in terms of grades and turnover where you

986
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: play percentage and fumbles and all that. It is kind

987
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: of on the border him, Baker and Gino actually end

988
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: up in the same area in a lot of things

989
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: when you just take take away even the subjectivity.

990
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 4: The red zone passing from Sam when you need him

991
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: to be clutch right when you need him to define

992
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: the position and define really embody all of the things

993
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: that he's overcome and embody that player who Kevin O'Connell

994
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: believes he is and has poured that belief in him

995
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: all season. And that was like, what the third worst

996
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: red zone passing performance of the season by any quarterback.

997
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: And I mean it's just it's tough. It anchors him

998
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: down where his floor has not sunk him all season

999
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: in my opinion, but it anchors him down a little bit.

1000
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: But I'm not willing to overlook the full Yeah.

1001
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: And especially because I was saying for me person, I'm

1002
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: just just talking for myself. What I'm saying, it's a

1003
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: document for the season. That's a that's a point in

1004
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: his favor. Yeah, really are we going to vote?

1005
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: Dude?

1006
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Should we hold off?

1007
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: Now?

1008
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: I'd like to hold off because I want to talk

1009
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 4: about Baker Mayfield.

1010
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, and we're going to come

1011
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: back and we're going to talk about Baker and maybe

1012
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: a little Matthew Staffer, maybe little Bryce Young who knows

1013
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: well at least talk about and just bring him up

1014
00:47:39,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: before we make our final vote of the season back

1015
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: on QB Island.

1016
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 4: It's my movie.

1017
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: We're making a list. We checked it twice during.

1018
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: The break, like five times. Maybe I don't know.

1019
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: Seven members of QB Island right now. Three spots somewhat open.

1020
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: One but Gino and Darnold remain on the island. We

1021
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: have not voted for it, but one is just why

1022
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: to open out there. So I thought I would use

1023
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: this point in the show to ask, does anyone want

1024
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: to full throatedly, you know, nominate someone that we're going

1025
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: to vote on to join the final QB Island of

1026
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: the season. Whoever jump, whoever says the name first, we'll

1027
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: talk about him. Come on, I know you have one

1028
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: bow Nicks.

1029
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: No one's thinking about bo We talk about defining the position.

1030
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 3: Look at the team he started off with all defense, defense.

1031
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: Look what he's done with them. He's elevated Courtland Sutton,

1032
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: He's elevated his tight endes Oh of the Denver Broncos.

1033
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: They are in the playoffs. Seven games with one hundred

1034
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: plus past rate including the final three, twenty nine touchdown,

1035
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: twelve interceptions, thirty seven hundred plus passing yards, a bunch

1036
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: of rushing yards elevate. We talk about flores, we talk

1037
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: about ceilings, talking about making people better. Who was thinking

1038
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: about the Denver Broncos as a playoff team before the season.

1039
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: No one.

1040
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: I am not capturing this.

1041
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: In a moment, not even the Denver Broncos.

1042
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: No, Sean Payton probably wasn't this.

1043
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: Dude, When we're talking about some of these other players,

1044
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: if we do not talk about Bowen Nicks in this conversation,

1045
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: we would be making a mistake. Now, you pud you

1046
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: put him.

1047
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 2: You know over, There's no Jalen Hurts in here.

1048
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk him next. Then he's next in line.

1049
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: I will say this because you're right yeah about all

1050
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: of this, Steve. At the same time, I don't know

1051
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: that I feel great about putting more than one rookie

1052
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: on quarterback Island.

1053
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: I would if he had earned it, but I don't

1054
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: think BIS has earned it. I would. I welcome differing opinions,

1055
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: even when they're wrong like this Bonicks one because it's

1056
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: like a participation trophy.

1057
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: What are you talking about it?

1058
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: It's a participation trophy. He's playing great and he gets

1059
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: to be mentioned and if if I if I squeezed him,

1060
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: they had the same amount of wins. Actually, how many

1061
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: wins did the Bronco.

1062
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a participation argument right there.

1063
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Okay, if you're arguing that he's playing quarterback at a

1064
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: higher level, that's where I'm just going to disagree. I can,

1065
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: we can use whatever.

1066
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 2: Metrics, whatever criteria we want, but I.

1067
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: Think when you are looking at elevation, you are looking

1068
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: at a system that has elevated Bonix and that's what

1069
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: good coaching does and that and he's been great as

1070
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: a rookie, but when I watch him on a week

1071
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: to week basis, I don't see him elevating the players

1072
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: around him. I think the last few weeks of the

1073
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: season really pointed that out. The Chargers game where for

1074
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: a half he's struggling, the Colts game where he struggled

1075
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: for the whole game. The Bengals game, I think was

1076
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: a very typical game for him, where it's a couple

1077
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: big time throws and him not coming through ultimately six

1078
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: point seven yards per teen. He has been amazing to

1079
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: be a league average quarterback. But that's where I would

1080
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: put him. I think it's cool that we're talking about

1081
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: him and it makes sense, but I don't think he

1082
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: gets that close to the top ten.

1083
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: If you put him on the Seahawks, they are they

1084
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: any better or worse?

1085
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: They're worse for sure.

1086
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 4: I think I think that where he should get a

1087
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: bump in Steve.

1088
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I think they're like five and twelve.

1089
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 4: I think where he should get a bump in Steve's

1090
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: argument and a bump in his favor is he is

1091
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: really playing over the entirety of the year, not just

1092
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: pieces of it, but over the entirety of the year,

1093
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: and including his ascension and improvement. You know, you could

1094
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: put him in the argument as the second best rookie

1095
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: quarterback this season. I agree, And that's where I think

1096
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: he gets to bump because for a rookie, first of all,

1097
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: to deal with Sean Payton as a rookie, I.

1098
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: Mean, I saw he was like giving him, he was

1099
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: staffy with him.

1100
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: He was like he was the right person for that

1101
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 4: head coach, I think, and you can see when it works,

1102
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 4: it really really works, and I think to accomplish and

1103
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: ascend and play the way that he has where you

1104
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: can see improvement over time, I think that that gives

1105
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: him a point in your favor.

1106
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But just on a throw to throw basis, he

1107
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: is not being asked to do what these other quarterbacks

1108
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: are being asked to do, and his next big win

1109
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL will be his first one. Give me

1110
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: the quality win that the Broncos had to me, they

1111
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: do not define the season that they won ten games

1112
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: against losing teams and the Chiefs backups. He had his

1113
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: chance in overtime to end the Bengals season and he

1114
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: missed two wide open throws. He had a chance to

1115
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: make the playoffs.

1116
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: How did they get to overtime?

1117
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: He absolutely change the ceiling with this team. I mean,

1118
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback coming in the expectations.

1119
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: He's he's been great, but top ten is too far

1120
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: from me. Ultimately, I guess I lean on quarterback excellence

1121
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: and like to me, at Jalen Hurts would would be

1122
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: ahead of him, a Baker would be ahead of all

1123
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: those guys would be ahead. So that's to me, not

1124
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: even Kyler, that one's close.

1125
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 4: I think I think win. It's over that argument over Kyler, Okay.

1126
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 3: So if we took off the three like you're saying, well, Ike, okay.

1127
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: Then in your in your that's why we we can

1128
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: vote and you could vote yes and try to get

1129
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: him through. But I am voting to know we are

1130
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: officially voting. Colleen volte Wolf No, Steve Weish is.

1131
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: A yes, I'm not using a riptide on Bone.

1132
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: Nicks and for New List there exactly what anybody who

1133
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: is about.

1134
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: And myself the rip tide, you can I.

1135
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: Don't know that I want you explaining this. I'll explain this, yeah,

1136
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: because you misused it last time. It is called the

1137
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: riptide as in a dangerous wave that washes you away

1138
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: from quarterback Island. And the riptide can be used one

1139
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: time all season by one peron. You can only use

1140
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: it once, and it is to literally take off a

1141
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 4: quarterback of your choosing with no argument at the end

1142
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: of the vote, and then you have to rediscuss anyone

1143
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: who didn't make it on that you would put on instead.

1144
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: So you pull him out to see yes, and fortunately.

1145
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: I used.

1146
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: No one really knew.

1147
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: Complete opposite way in which it was intended.

1148
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: It's a ripcord. It's a good lesson or all the

1149
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: kids out there, people in charge, they're just making it

1150
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: up as they go along. Let's talk. Let's talk. Jalen Hurts,

1151
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: your guy.

1152
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. I mean, yes, he has a concussion right now.

1153
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know what these like the changing of

1154
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: the goalpost here with the rules, I don't know if

1155
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: he's even allowed to come on to Quarterback Island. I

1156
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: feel like I was. Was I gone when he was

1157
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: voted off Quarterback Island or he had he not made

1158
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: it onto Quarterback Island. He amazingly has not been crazy

1159
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: that is disrespectful, Like he has a top five passer rating.

1160
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: The way that he can I mean yes, the toush

1161
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: push definitely. You know adds In hads some numbers for

1162
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: but top five and rushing touchdowns too. He's had a

1163
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: really good season, and of course he's surrounded by so

1164
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: much talent, but he's a really talented quarterback and when

1165
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: you look at the names on here, I would argue

1166
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: that he is absolutely in the top ten, if not

1167
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: maybe the top eight.

1168
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: If we talk about the Eagles offense, who do we

1169
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 3: talk first?

1170
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: He's flashy though, I would talk AJ Brown next, because

1171
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: to me, AJ Brown, if I'm doing all pro and

1172
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: three receivers, he is putting a J Brown on my tone.

1173
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: Okay, but but jal is putting it right where AJ

1174
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: Brown can only catch it.

1175
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 3: So Skinny Pickett's he's a low shot. But what I'm

1176
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: saying is if you're talking.

1177
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: Tanner McKee, but what, Oh my god, I don't believe.

1178
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: Again. I love Jalen, but when we're talking about the

1179
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: Eagles offense and defining the position as Jalen the first

1180
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: guy who comes.

1181
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: To mind, I think Jalen had some ups and downs

1182
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: in his.

1183
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 3: Overall and I am holding the original rule of play.

1184
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing into.

1185
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: It's so tough to say that because Saquon Barkley is

1186
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: such a unique player in this entire league. If you

1187
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: talked about like the entire division, he would talk about

1188
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, you talk about Saquon.

1189
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: That's the exact reason why Matthew Stafford is still being

1190
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: debated about as a potential Hall of Famer because he

1191
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 4: had Megatron. He had such a unique player to get

1192
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: the ball to and it unfortunately, it's a beautiful thing

1193
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: to watch, but it knocks the quarterback.

1194
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: Well, we haven't talked about it enough on this show

1195
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: because it hasn't really been Jermaine, but Jalen Hurts. His

1196
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: rushing value has helped Saquon Barkley quite a bit and

1197
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: helps his case. Also, he is one of the most

1198
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: valuable runners in the league, not just because of the

1199
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: touchbush because he is efficient when he runs. He gets

1200
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: first down at an incredibly high rate. And that's a

1201
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: value that Gino isn't giving as much that Baker Mayfield

1202
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: isn't giving as much, although he's giving a lot. Yeah,

1203
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: he's certainly they're giving more than Darnold when we're comparing

1204
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: it to guys in this area. His rushing value is

1205
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: good for me. I just if he had stayed healthy.

1206
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: I think argument she was passing the ball among the

1207
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 4: best in the league right around the middle of the

1208
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: season as well. We talked about it on the show,

1209
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: and that was it's unfortunate. Like the rule we stat

1210
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 4: with the Herbert rule that we established the beginning of

1211
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: the season was that if you're hurt, you cannot be

1212
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: on the island. And that was the Jordan Love situation

1213
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 4: as well early on in the year, and that was

1214
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: the justin Herbert situation.

1215
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: So but I did see if he passed concussion protocol.

1216
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Still, here's the thing that I think he needed

1217
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: to finish strong. And he does take a lot of sacks.

1218
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: He'd have a higher sack percentage than almost anyone on

1219
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: this list, and that's really important. Those are the big

1220
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: time negative plays other than Baker. Darnold's in that mix.

1221
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: But Hurts is even Hurts only attempted three hundred and

1222
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: sixty one passes. Yeah, that's like it's like nineteen forty.

1223
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: It's rockertysh you know, it's like really calling the plays.

1224
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: I get it, but that matters to me. I'm gonna

1225
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: lear more. I'm voting.

1226
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: No, I'm voting if you were healthy. If you were healthy,

1227
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: I'd probably have them one. But he's missed three game.

1228
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: He would have been borderline and had a good chance

1229
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: if he was healthy.

1230
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: And just what's this for Jalen on that point in

1231
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 4: terms of finishing the season strong versus not finishing the

1232
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: season strong. Let's talk about mother fing Bryce Young. Okay, yes,

1233
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: because and Craig, I know how much you early on

1234
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: in Quarterback Island like to use PFF in your arguments.

1235
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: He is the sixth highest passing grade quarterback since Week eight,

1236
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 4: according to PFF. That was when he came back from

1237
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: his benching. He has one hundred plus passer rating in

1238
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: the last three game in his last three games, fifteen

1239
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: touchdowns in his last nine games, and he's playing like

1240
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: a top ten quarterback or top eleven quarterback post Week eight. Now,

1241
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily arguing for him to be on the island.

1242
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: I have someone else who would really like to put

1243
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 4: on there, who will talk about in a minute. But

1244
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: I think he is one of the defining stories of

1245
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 4: this NFL, and I love it for him. I've watched

1246
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: this clip one hundred million times, probably over the last

1247
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: couple of days, that easy go ahead throw, that touchdown

1248
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: pass where he didn't just give us the Steph Curry,

1249
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: you know after he shoots the three and then turns

1250
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: his back and does the touchdown sign. He also gave

1251
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: us Jim Halpert face he found the camera and look

1252
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 4: directly love the camera.

1253
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: I love He gets no points from me on that

1254
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: because the day before I.

1255
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: Just I just love, but I love you. You can

1256
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 4: have Lamar's confidence if you play like Lamar Jackson every

1257
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 4: single week he's ever since I came after.

1258
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: A lovely b next he just isn't the same.

1259
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: Here's what that was at me.

1260
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: Here's why, Here's.

1261
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: Why I love you know what Bryce is done, because

1262
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: what do we talk about the last two years for him,

1263
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 3: He's got no weapons, yet he is carving teams.

1264
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Up what he did and he's rocking the other day.

1265
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: He's running the ball. He's very decisive. Adam feelings have

1266
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: this resurgence. You know, he has elevated other players. So

1267
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: I love the fact that you're bringing yes.

1268
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 4: And you know what I you know what I think

1269
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 4: is beautiful too. Like he as they said, you know

1270
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 4: when we saw this at Alabama too, as decisive as

1271
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: he was as a passer, that sort of point guard mentality,

1272
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 4: distribute the ball, make the cool throws, and do it

1273
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 4: from a variety of different arm angles. He's also really

1274
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 4: decisive as a runner. A couple of those gains that

1275
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: he made over the last couple of weeks, you can

1276
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: see him looking for the creases. You can see him

1277
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 4: looking for how the play is going to unfold layer

1278
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: by layer and making the correct decision. He's playing like

1279
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 4: with a clear mind and with confidence. And I give

1280
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: a lot of credit to Dave Canalis and Brad Idzick,

1281
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: who's working with him a lot in Carolina. And I

1282
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 4: just think that this is one of the defining stories,

1283
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: even if we don't put him on the island. I

1284
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: wanted to say it. I think he is one of

1285
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 4: the defining stories of twenty twenty four at quarterback.

1286
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: Just think about the conversations that we were having when

1287
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: he was benched. It was it was like, where is

1288
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 2: he going to go from here? Is he even going

1289
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: to like land at all?

1290
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1291
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: Like I would love to go back and actually listen

1292
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: to some of the things that we talked about, because

1293
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: now seeing what he was able to do and come back,

1294
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: no one saw this coming.

1295
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: Including the Panthers. I mean what, I didn't want to

1296
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: play him ever again? Right, great, Like I brought.

1297
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 4: This up at the time too. One of the things

1298
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: that's gonna make the Panthers keep him is understanding and

1299
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 4: hearing that knowledge that like fifteen other teams wanted to

1300
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: trade for him, like teams were teams were calling, teams

1301
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 4: wanted to be I can fix him like they wanted

1302
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 4: to be that team, and they knew what he was

1303
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: capable of.

1304
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: I love it for him, especially after last year, just

1305
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: all all the love that went to c J. Stroud

1306
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: and you know he deserved it. But Bryce Young sat

1307
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: there and just got crushed. And now I know, and.

1308
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: Coming into this season, can he have Alex Smith's trajectory?

1309
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: Alex Smith one of the worst rookie quarterbacks of all

1310
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: time and number one overall pick. Not a ton of

1311
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: like physical gifts other than his speed obviously that just

1312
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: jump off the page. And then the second season North

1313
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Turner comes in there and he just stabilized him where

1314
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: he's like okay and ends up having a great career.

1315
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: And now I'm thinking about and it's like, I could

1316
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: see Bryce Young having Alex Smith's career. I could see

1317
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: it being better. I could see it being worse too.

1318
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't know yet, but it's a real conversation now

1319
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: when people are saying, well, would you take Bryce or CJ.

1320
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Stre Out? Now, I think that's a fair question asked,

1321
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: would you take Bryce or Trevor Lawrence? Right now? I

1322
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: want to see more, but he really did play at

1323
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: that high level where I actually think I would take

1324
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Bryce over Trevor Lawrence because I've seen more at Trevor.

1325
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 4: If we were still at twelve, and this is going

1326
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: to be Quarterback Island twenty twenty five season entering in.

1327
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 4: If we were still at twelve, I would be voting

1328
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 4: him on to the Island.

1329
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: That'd be great. And you know what, you know what

1330
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 3: else helps is when the Atlanta Falcons blitz you only

1331
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: fifteen percent after you get rid.

1332
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that helps. Before that helped his matchup. He also

1333
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: did face a very easy schedule, so that evened out

1334
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: some of the receivers. But I love he always makes

1335
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: the right when he misses, it's in the exact right

1336
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: spot and he can pro that. Kid man, I'm voting

1337
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: now we are even about him.

1338
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love.

1339
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a nice no, it's a it's a no,

1340
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: but extra it's love Baker.

1341
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: I feel like Baker is the headliner where absolutely right now,

1342
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: let's let's talk Baker. Does anyone want to make the

1343
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: case for him?

1344
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 4: I want Baker Onland And we could go through a

1345
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: bunch of his notable statistics where he's top five quarterback

1346
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: in a lot of different areas. He's second in completions

1347
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: obviously that has to do with some of the volume

1348
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 4: which he's throwing, third in yards, Another thing with volume,

1349
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: second in touchdowns, and fourth, however, in a much more

1350
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 4: situational and holistic metric, fourth in EPA. And I think

1351
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 4: that the thing that I see with Baker regardless week

1352
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 4: over week over week through this entire season, and an

1353
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 4: argument that we cannot make this season about some quarterbacks,

1354
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: is that this team took on his personality. This team

1355
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 4: took on his personality, and there's a will to win.

1356
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 4: There's a matchup savviness when you carry yourself in this

1357
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: way into the postseason where no team wants to play

1358
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 4: you because you are an amba. You're able to counter

1359
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 4: all kinds of different things because you had to do

1360
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 4: it earlier in the season. There's a mental toughness and

1361
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: there's like a gumption because to get Mike Evans that

1362
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 4: last pass probably nine out of ten times. Not doing that,

1363
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 4: you're kneeling it out right. The game was not over. Now,

1364
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: I don't think the Saints were going to make a

1365
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 4: play on that, but you know.

1366
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: Oh they tried. The game was rizzy was so pissed.

1367
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: They had a coverage that would have double teamed them,

1368
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: and they blew the coverage. They either let Mike Evans

1369
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: get it, which is my theory, like the players are.

1370
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: Like, no, no, I was not loving the fact that

1371
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: he was the guy who's on the back.

1372
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh no.

1373
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: And I will say that takes that takes some metal.

1374
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 4: And Baker Mayfield has shown a set all season. I

1375
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: think if we're talking about this being such a cool

1376
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: year for quarterbacks, showing us what they're really made of

1377
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: after kind of getting tossed around in a few places

1378
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 4: and kicked to the curb in a few places, but

1379
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 4: not only that, to be that guy and then be

1380
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: the defining player other than Mike Evans, but the really

1381
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 4: the defining player on this team. Yes, Liam Cohen is great,

1382
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 4: but you're not talking about Sam and Kevin O'Connell the

1383
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: way that you're talking about Baker Mayfield. You're talking about

1384
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell. Right, Liam and Baker really make a great

1385
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: pair together in that way, because Baker is just gonna

1386
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 4: go all out and just try to I mean, he's

1387
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 4: gonna try to win on a twenty eight yards trying

1388
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: to score on a twenty eight yard carry.

1389
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is such a scrappy team because of

1390
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 2: him and the injuries that they dealt with so many

1391
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks and teams, it would be like, oh, well,

1392
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: you know, they lost their guys and like had to

1393
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,479
Speaker 2: deal with all of this adversity, but it didn't matter.

1394
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: He still got them wins. And then he did all

1395
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: of this with a rookie quarterback or or rookie running

1396
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: back in Bucky Irving, and then a new offensive coordinator

1397
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: and Liam Cohen. So we had all of these different

1398
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: things and still was able to deliver.

1399
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 4: That Chris Godwin injury. How emotional that was. Oh if

1400
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 4: you don't have that factor, that defining thing that makes

1401
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 4: a team rally around you and not sync with a

1402
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 4: situation we see with the Detroit lot, Yeah, you lose

1403
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 4: the room.

1404
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: Ye right. I think context is fair for him on

1405
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: what helped him, But I think he made a.

1406
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: Beautiful He was like one of the best offensive lines

1407
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 4: in football.

1408
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't pressure a lot, and he handles pressure poorly.

1409
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: In terms of taking negative plays. He has the most

1410
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: fumbles in the league. He has the most fumbles plus

1411
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: sax plus interceptions in the league. So he takes a

1412
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: lot of negative plays and he doesn't get pressured very often,

1413
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: and yet he takes all those sects. Those are the negatives.

1414
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: But everything that you said about who he is to

1415
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: be fair and adding his scrambling ability lately, that that

1416
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: game to me on Sunday defines him because going into

1417
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter.

1418
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: He was he'll be good for an interception.

1419
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: He was under four yards per attempt passing with an interception.

1420
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: And then it's what you said, that force of will

1421
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: to scramble and be patient, and he really has gotten

1422
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: a lot better being patient in the pocket and hitting

1423
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: those third and longs and getting Jalen McMillan. And then

1424
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: the quality of the throws. I mean, he has the

1425
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: big time throws that you want to see out of

1426
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: a guy on quarterback islands.

1427
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that I love about Quarterbacks

1428
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 3: Couples League for a long time is going. I'm gonna

1429
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: use an NBA analogy that Jerry West told me about

1430
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago. Flex lik right the NBA and gets

1431
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: twenty five points per game, right, but there's only ten

1432
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 3: guys who can get you six in the final two minutes,

1433
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: and there's only one or two who can get you

1434
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: six in the final minute. Baker's one of them dudes.

1435
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: He's got the killer in him, right, He's got that

1436
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 3: Joe Burrowin. You know who else has it is Jayden

1437
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: and Daniels. Jayde and Daniels got that killer in him. Yes, right,

1438
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 3: But I love the fact that Baker, no matter what

1439
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 3: happened to head him. That's why I like Ben.

1440
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: Roethliberger, who's that yeah, the leader in fourth quarter comebacks

1441
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: over the last few.

1442
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: Years getting there, you know you him when I was

1443
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: talking about the GINO doesn't have, but.

1444
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but you're I agree, I agree.

1445
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: And the fact that Colley made the great point last

1446
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 3: year we were giving Baker props because of Dave Canalis.

1447
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 3: Now he's got Liam Baker's the dude, He's the one.

1448
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 3: He's the common denominator.

1449
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: I love what Liam Cohen has done, though he should

1450
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: be talking about him like he's gonna be a head

1451
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: coaching job.

1452
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 4: And he's gonna get head coach And who came to

1453
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 4: Los Angeles when that season was sunk and the head

1454
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 4: coach was just like am I mentally and was a

1455
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 4: sunbeam into that building in terms of what he was

1456
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,919
Speaker 4: able to do two days after And yeah, he got

1457
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 4: coached up. Zach Robinson and Liam Cohen's part of the

1458
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 4: reason they have good jobs. Where they're at now. But

1459
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 4: that's Baker Mayfield on that Thursday night.

1460
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: He was not on QB island.

1461
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: Also that staff for it, on that staff when Baker came,

1462
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 3: Liam Zach Robins, Yes, yes, Baker's on.

1463
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 4: I am a yes, Florida on the island.

1464
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care that. It was the fourth

1465
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: quarter of the eighteenth week that actually won me over.

1466
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: That was those two drives he had to go take

1467
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: the lead were maybe the two best drives I saw

1468
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: all season by anyone, and in the biggest spot. So like, okay,

1469
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: I've got it. If I'm thinking about him and Darnold

1470
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: for instance, yeah, you left me with that final answer.

1471
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: I've given it.

1472
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 4: Last things. Two less things on this two less things

1473
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 4: I've been waiting. He's on so along so Greg to

1474
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: have to take the negative plays that he does, and

1475
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 4: he does, that's fair to take those and still rank

1476
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 4: where he ranks in E p A. I think is significant.

1477
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: You don't count if you don't lose fumbles, they don't

1478
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: count it against you, which is one of his traits.

1479
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: He hadn't happen to lose a.

1480
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 4: Lot, sure, but he takes a lot of negative plays

1481
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 4: regardless and then the other thing is that throw to

1482
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 4: Jalen McMillan after But here's why, here's why, this is

1483
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 4: Baker's got it and we know this right, but like

1484
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 4: that happened after no, no person and you can argue

1485
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: this till the cows can come home whatever, but no

1486
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: about why, whether it should be a penalty or what.

1487
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: But no person on the planet was as mortified as

1488
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 4: Jalen McMillan, hands on his helmet, just just distraught over

1489
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 4: incurring that celebration penalty that he did. And Baker goes

1490
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 4: right back to him and and just that absolute slice

1491
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 4: of a throw. Yeah, that was that was a QB.

1492
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: Like that's the first ever throw that put someone on

1493
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: QB Island. It's amazing. We haven't year. We haven't talked

1494
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: Stafford yet.

1495
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: That's our math though.

1496
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: Okay, we are okay, we are to eight. Eight people

1497
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: have officially been voted on. Yes, Gino and Donald are

1498
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: on from before, so we have a full island at

1499
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: the moment. We haven't voted officially on Gino or Donald

1500
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: this time. And if we, you know, wanted to bring

1501
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: up someone else to replace them or vote on them,

1502
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: we could. I think we should at least mention Stafford,

1503
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: who It's funny right after last week when we voted

1504
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: him off, he had his he he ripped it up

1505
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: against the Bills.

1506
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: It's I got to get back to that island. It was.

1507
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 4: It was a delight to watch that that level.

1508
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: In the three games after that they did, they combined

1509
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: to score the same amount of points and kind of

1510
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: showed where they've been in too much of the season.

1511
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 3: Sidebar. Yes, right after that show, where was it that

1512
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: the Rams landed?

1513
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: In?

1514
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: Stafford? The Rams Instagram site or whatever, so I know

1515
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 3: it says Matthew listens to podcast but his warm up

1516
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 3: jacket had his wife's podcast on there.

1517
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 4: My stomach, which I get notifications, so I get notifications,

1518
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 4: and all I saw was the caption. I didn't see

1519
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 4: what he was wearing. He was wearing the King Stafford's

1520
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: podcast label or whatever, and but all I saw was

1521
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 4: that it was a picture. And then it said Matthew

1522
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 4: qb one listens to podcasts, and I went, oh god,

1523
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 4: I knows, like.

1524
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's about the island.

1525
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 4: I will say. We had a lovely conversation the very

1526
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 4: next week after all about all of the things he

1527
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 4: does pre snap in order to make that offense sing,

1528
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 4: even though it's not singing very lovely tunes. Lately, Jimmy

1529
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 4: Garoppolo played really well in Week eight, which hurts.

1530
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: Which hurts, I think Stafford. It's funny because I think

1531
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Stafford had a.

1532
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 4: I think he defines the position in twenty four, but

1533
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 4: it's hard for me to vote him on.

1534
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't anymore.

1535
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 4: No, No, the last air. I think he defines like

1536
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 4: the last of the old Gunslinger guys.

1537
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the island meets leadership. He's some veteran leadership. Everyone

1538
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: else is under thirty. I think he's been with Go

1539
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 2: Buy the Booze.

1540
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because of their schedule, but I feel like

1541
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: the Ram the Rams haven't been in the spotlight, and

1542
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of why people haven't noticed that. Yeah, the

1543
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: three games since they combined to score forty four points,

1544
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: he had under six yards per attempt in all three

1545
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: of those games. He had under two hundred yards passing

1546
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: in all three of those and he makes great throws.

1547
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: But when I think Rams offense, I don't think Matthew

1548
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: Stafford anymore. I think one of the most efficient wide

1549
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: receiver seasons of all time. Pukanakua and if I had

1550
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: to go second, I'd probably go with a very efficient

1551
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: running attack too. So and that's okay, that happens to

1552
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: the old time.

1553
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 4: And I will say too, like Greg, those three games

1554
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 4: he threw I want to say, nine near interceptions that

1555
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 4: either bounced off someone's chest or was tipped or something

1556
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 4: that was that was hard to watch because he just

1557
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 4: he he didn't look like himself. And for some parts

1558
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 4: of the season, they've needed him to be the transcendent

1559
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 4: like gunslinger, like darkly chaotic, soul snatching Matthew Stafford that

1560
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 4: got them into the super Bowl and then won them

1561
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 4: that super Bowl with some of the the gutsiness of

1562
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: the throws and then and at times this season he

1563
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 4: has been that and more and other times he has

1564
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 4: been far far below that. And that's why it's hard

1565
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 4: for me to do so.

1566
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: Among all the people we've talked about today, him, Darnold,

1567
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: and Baker actually have the highest turnover worthy play percentage,

1568
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: but to me, they've provided more consistent highs to balance

1569
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: those out. I'm voting no on Stafford, Yeah, Steve an

1570
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: Audio medium no, Nope, nope, no.

1571
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm voting no. And you're welcome. Rams fans because he's

1572
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 4: about to put up fifty six now that I voted, Oh,

1573
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 4: he cut just like he did less time.

1574
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: You're saying that, Hey, no, okay, Matthew Stafford will not

1575
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: make it. We just went down a ten minute wormhole

1576
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: where Jordan did the thing that someone does on every show.

1577
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: Usually it's me. I'm happy it's it's Jordan. This time

1578
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: again that she had realized she messed up her math.

1579
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: Colleen was like, can I get out of here? What

1580
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: did you call it the Bermuda?

1581
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 4: Try?

1582
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: I said, the island. Yeah, it's like the it's located

1583
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:09,919
Speaker 2: in the Bermuda.

1584
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've reached a portion of the program and

1585
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: it's I guess it really was all. I guess it

1586
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: really was all leading to this where that it's the tenth.

1587
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: The tenth spot is still open. We have not voted

1588
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: on Geno Smith. We have voted on Jordan Love. If

1589
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: someone feels strong that the tenth person should be someone

1590
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: other than Geno Smith, like now is the time to

1591
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: do it, and we take the votes, whether it's Jalen

1592
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: Hurts for you or Geno for me, if there's anyone

1593
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: else knowing that there is one spot left and unless

1594
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to get crazy about changing the rules, we

1595
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: are going to put ten people onto this island with that. Okay,

1596
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: so we're putting one more person on this island either way,

1597
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: even though you know, I can feel that the room

1598
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe isn't totally for Gino, who I'm going to put

1599
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: know up for vote.

1600
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 3: Well, we have to put him up for vote. Mean,

1601
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: you guys have already struck down my guy.

1602
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: Bonix got Bonix, I made the case. If nothing else,

1603
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: he's helped to define this segment. I vote yes, let's

1604
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: go one at a time to really raise it.

1605
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 4: Greg really would to soak it in.

1606
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: Colleen, yes on No, Steve weis oh, Steve goes yes

1607
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: on gin That was a surprise to me.

1608
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: Vot.

1609
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was going to be a no. You

1610
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: might have gone back to love or something. The suspense

1611
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigue play some music or something.

1612
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: Normally we'd be like, after the break, we'll find out.

1613
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 4: And I'll just it's a close up cut with me

1614
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 4: just looking great tortured. So it is interesting how even

1615
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 4: as the creator of Quarterback Island, all roads lead back

1616
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 4: to Greg Rosenthal. Because I am voting yes, you.

1617
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 3: Know, let's goay, you know, six million dollars richer fun

1618
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 3: go on to Quarterback Island.

1619
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 4: And the reason, Colleen is I set the rule the

1620
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 4: injured players cannot be on the I can't go back

1621
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 4: on my own rule.

1622
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: A rule is a rule, I guess, Greg for some people,

1623
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 2: some rules of rules.

1624
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: When historians go back and they look through the Quarterback

1625
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: Island initial class of twenty twenty five, Gino beyond there,

1626
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: just like we have Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, there's

1627
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: no ranking of him. He did it. He made it

1628
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: into the top ten eight of NFL quarterbacks like Eli

1629
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: Manning did. Like you talking about like the.

1630
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 4: Rest of the quarterbacks on the island. Are you just

1631
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 4: gonna honk about Gino Smith?

1632
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: No, We're done talking about him.

1633
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: For like, all I know is next season, coming into

1634
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: the next twenty twenty five twenty six season, I'm putting

1635
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 3: Drake may and over Gina.

1636
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 4: Okay, right so on, I'm putting younger Jalen Hurts.

1637
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, now, al this postseason, but he

1638
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: might He's not on this island the entire year and

1639
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: ends up going really far.

1640
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: And my only NFC quarterback in the playoffs not on the.

1641
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: End by a rule because of the rule.

1642
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: Well, and to be fair, he wasn't on all season

1643
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: before that. Now, if we were really reality show producers,

1644
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 1: you got to get him and Joe Burrow on just

1645
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: just for the handsomeness. I think we got Burrow and.

1646
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: Got to keep the main thing the main thing.

1647
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 3: Just so if we're doing that, Jimmy Garoppolos, you know.

1648
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: Well that's your blaspheme the Island tune in twenty twenty five.

1649
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: It was fun all year. Thank you to Randy Chavez,

1650
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: thank you to Eric Roberts behind the glass, and thank

1651
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,959
Speaker 1: you yes to Chris Bobona making his last name debut

1652
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily. He noted, I always just called him

1653
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: Chris because I wanted to make sure I said Babona, right,

1654
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: that's just a name. You don't want it kind of

1655
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: fun to say Bbona. I'm sure your your like classmates

1656
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: never made fun of you or brought.

1657
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: That up at all.

1658
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: What do you point, Nick, Let's let's play some music. Eric,

1659
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. We got another show. The

1660
01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: final ten members of Quarterback Island Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

1661
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert,

1662
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, our new entrant, Baker Mayfield. I like that,

1663
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: And yes, Gino surprising me snuck in there. You got

1664
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: it at the end. You're not surprised, I am, because

1665
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: I made the list. I thought I thought he get

1666
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: boxed out. I thought he get boxed out.

1667
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, we're so happy for all of the quarterbacks who

1668
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 2: are on the island. Best of luck to everyone who's

1669
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 2: been voted off or didn't make it at all.

1670
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: I think this should be brought up during Hall of

1671
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: Fame induction arguments in ten fifteen years.

1672
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: That's part of like an all decade team.

1673
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: Yes, how many times were you a top ten defining

1674
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. It's one reason why I wouldn't

1675
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: have voted for Eli Manning because they would have been

1676
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: like twice. But these guys earned it top ten in

1677
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm happy. Aren't you happy to see your

1678
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: baby out in the wild Quarterback Island. Let's let the arguments.

1679
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 4: I have to get last with Quarterback Island all season,

1680
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: even when I am psychologically manipulated by Gret.

1681
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it all.

1682
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 2: Right, we gotta go get to and now we'll give

1683
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: you that hug.

1684
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: We got to go go to the fires now.

1685
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 3: Unfortunately you were kind of delaying that rescue.

1686
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: I know when we've decided on the ten members of

1687
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: Quarterback Island twenty twenty four forever, that's when you know

1688
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: football is back. See you Wednesday,