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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Devin joined you know most weeks by and Steve. Uh.
Speaker 1: This week we're going to talk about a mystery which
Speaker 1: I guess probably will surprise most of you. It's really
Speaker 1: scary mystery because it involved a dead body. It does
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not talked. Will you ask? Yeah, it really does. Uh.
Speaker 1: The mystery, I guess we're just going to call it,
Speaker 1: um Paul is dead and yes, this is a Beatles mystery.
Speaker 1: I wish we had a sound effective like girls screaming Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we don't. We don't. So. Paul McCartney of the
Speaker 1: Beatles is who we're talking about. You know, there there
Speaker 1: are four of them. Two of them are dead or
Speaker 1: maybe three. Ringo Star is definitely alive. Nobody has ever
Speaker 1: cared about Ringo Star. I was when I was doing
Speaker 1: my rear. When I was doing my research, I was
Speaker 1: reading this quote of like, um, it was something like
Speaker 1: George Harrison was the heart of the Beatles, John Lennon
Speaker 1: was the voice or no, the soul of the Beatles,
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney was the voice of the Beatles, and Ringo
Speaker 1: was the drummer. It's like how people actually Ringo Ringo
Speaker 1: had more top ten hits after they broke up than
Speaker 1: John Lennon did. Yeah, he's I mean, he's pretty talent
Speaker 1: it but um, so we're we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: this theory, this mystery that Paul McCartney actually died and
Speaker 1: was replaced sometimes in the sixties, sometimes in the sixties,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk details right now. The theory goes that
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney actually died in a car accident at five
Speaker 1: am on Wednesday, November nine, nineteen sixty six. Paul had
Speaker 1: reportedly picked up a female hitchhiker on his way to
Speaker 1: visit friends. The woman became really really excited when she
Speaker 1: realized who had picked her up, and screamed and threw
Speaker 1: her arms around Paul, and that caused him to lose
Speaker 1: control of the car uh and he rammed it into
Speaker 1: a wall. Paul was decapitated by the accident, apparently, and
Speaker 1: the trauma to his head was so bad that even
Speaker 1: dental records were useless. Did she die too, She also died.
Speaker 1: How do they know she screened to put her arms
Speaker 1: around him. That's what I was wondering, right, good question.
Speaker 1: What about the five It was at five am? He
Speaker 1: was going to visit friends, Okay, okay. Anyway, this was
Speaker 1: at the height of when the Beatles really really becoming popular,
Speaker 1: and so record executives decided that instead of upsetting the
Speaker 1: fans quote unquote um, they would just replace Paul with
Speaker 1: a fall If you will, fake Paul, which is a
Speaker 1: thing you will see all over yea, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna refer to him as such. Um. But the
Speaker 1: record executives decided to just replace Paul with fall Um
Speaker 1: and then just continue on as if nothing had ever happened.
Speaker 1: You know, probably the other three members agreed, because you know,
Speaker 1: they would continue to make money and be popular and
Speaker 1: have success, which they may or may not have if
Speaker 1: Paul ended up actually being dead. The surviving Beatles did, however,
Speaker 1: plant clues in all of the rest of their albums,
Speaker 1: and in the cover art and stuff like that. Um,
Speaker 1: to make sure that the fans knew that Paul had
Speaker 1: actually died. The Record executives and I guess maybe the
Speaker 1: other Beatles, I don't know who had a second right,
Speaker 1: but they decided to replace Paul with a man named
Speaker 1: William Campbell who had recently won a Paul McCartney lookalike contest,
Speaker 1: and um, Billy they call him Billy Campbell. Actually they
Speaker 1: call him something totally different, but we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: William Campbell or whoever they decided to replace Paul went
Speaker 1: through some extensive plastic surgery to make sure that he
Speaker 1: looked as much like Paul as possible. But he had
Speaker 1: this little scar either on his lip or chin, depending
Speaker 1: on who you talked to, that couldn't be fixed. And
Speaker 1: so it was happy accident that you know it had
Speaker 1: he probably been in a car accident. So it was
Speaker 1: okay because yeah, he had some stuff that looks a
Speaker 1: little different. Um, but you know, it turned out it's
Speaker 1: okay because you know, Paul was in a car accident.
Speaker 1: According to the Record executives, he just you know, chipped
Speaker 1: a tooth and had a scar. Are not got to
Speaker 1: captate and replaced. That's a much happier story. Find story. Yeah. Also, apparently,
Speaker 1: according to the legend, it turns out that William Campbell
Speaker 1: could totally sing and was a songwriter, and he was
Speaker 1: really really good at creating pop melody. So he just happened.
Speaker 1: He sounded almost exactly with a little tweaking. He sounded
Speaker 1: like Paul, you can always alter your vocal cords to yeah, right,
Speaker 1: with just a little plastic surgery. It's fine. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how I ended up sounding like guitar string ring the exactly. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's it's kind of silly, right, this whole story
Speaker 1: a little bit a little silly. Yeah, So are you
Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna kind of conclude right now that
Speaker 1: it's absurd? Yeah? Story over episode overall credits. I remember
Speaker 1: when I was when I was a kid, this story
Speaker 1: was making the rounds, and somebody showed me, like you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, it's like it's true, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it showed me the cover of Abbey Road
Speaker 1: and Paul's barefoot and we're gonna talk about that, don't
Speaker 1: go too far into that. But but my reaction was
Speaker 1: so what you know, and I was just a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've always been like this. So the story, this
Speaker 1: story really gained It was in the news, and um,
Speaker 1: a couple of news outlets reported immediately that Paul had
Speaker 1: died in this car accident. And I should mention that
Speaker 1: it is true that a car belonging to Paul McCartney
Speaker 1: did crash on that night at that time. Whether he
Speaker 1: was in it or not, I'll be let you be
Speaker 1: the judge, like, yeah, exactly, I think it was. Um no,
Speaker 1: just kidding anyway, So the news outlets did immediately report
Speaker 1: that Paul had been killed, but then retracted it, um
Speaker 1: presumably because the record executives or whoever was behind the replacement.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, they you know, they said no, no, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, no, Paul's here, he's fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: And the news outlets were like, all right, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you're right, we were probably wrong. But a really
Speaker 1: intrepid investigative journalist from the well known publication called The
Speaker 1: Northern Star really broke this case open and made it popular.
Speaker 1: You guys know, you guys know the Northern Star, right
Speaker 1: of course, right yeah, the Illinois University student newspaper, right,
Speaker 1: hard hitting journalism. No Okay, well, in this article it
Speaker 1: kind of exposed the conspiracy quote unquote, and it was Um.
Speaker 1: It was either that one or depending on where you
Speaker 1: read it, the editor of the Drake Times Delphic, which
Speaker 1: is Drake University's student newspaper, either of these, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find the original one, shocking, but the article whichever one,
Speaker 1: whichever student newspaper was in, came out on September seventeenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. The credit is kind of spread all
Speaker 1: over the place because they're like four other places who
Speaker 1: also say no, no, we came up with this first,
Speaker 1: but I thought they definitively identified the guy who wrote
Speaker 1: the original story. That's not true. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who give credit that's that's credit. Well, no, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who point credit at different people,
Speaker 1: and it just happens to be. I think there's a crowd.
Speaker 1: The guy who's named Um is the editor at the
Speaker 1: Drake University newspaper. But I've also seen a lot of
Speaker 1: sources that say, actually, it was the Northern Star. So
Speaker 1: I'm just choosing to say it's some university newspaper, which
Speaker 1: is probably the safest bet in It's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of amazing, even before the internet wild rumors got started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. The this article added a little something to
Speaker 1: the story that we just told, and that was that
Speaker 1: in the Beatles song Revolution nine, um, if you played
Speaker 1: it backwards, you would reveal a hidden message. Now we're
Speaker 1: actually gonna examine that right now, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to tell you what they said it said because I
Speaker 1: want you to just hear it. So first it's going
Speaker 1: to play forwards, and then there'll be a pause, and
Speaker 1: then it'll play backwards, and then we'll be back to
Speaker 1: talk about what it reportedly says. Number nine, number nine,
Speaker 1: number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine.
Speaker 1: So what did you hear? Nothing? Yeah, you's so glad.
Speaker 1: Joe did listen that until just now. We just played
Speaker 1: it for him in the studio and he had never
Speaker 1: heard it. Um. And apparently he didn't read my script either,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't know what it was supposed to have said. Um, Steve,
Speaker 1: did you when you listen to it? Did you hear anything?
Speaker 1: If you stitch it together in your mind, you can
Speaker 1: make something out of it. It doesn't clearly say something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so apparently it's saying, um, turn me on dead Man
Speaker 1: when it's played backwards, and unfortunately, I will say, well,
Speaker 1: I mean unfortunately, I will say that for all of
Speaker 1: these sound clips that we're talking about. Unfortunately, I read
Speaker 1: before I listened, so it was pretty easy for me
Speaker 1: to hear some of it, not all of it, but
Speaker 1: some of it. Well, this is this is this one particularly,
Speaker 1: this is the most concrete of the sound clips that
Speaker 1: you've sent us before, because there were a number of
Speaker 1: them that I kept. You know, it's not you see
Speaker 1: them on YouTube and they put the text up and
Speaker 1: I'm reading the text and I'm looking at it, and
Speaker 1: only here is yeah, there's nothing there. There's one of the
Speaker 1: the Paula's dead Man miss and miss and miss, and
Speaker 1: you can sort of hear that in there kind of
Speaker 1: yeah you can't. And again but again that's one of
Speaker 1: those ones that um, I read before, I read about
Speaker 1: it before I heard it, and so I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of that influence influences that because that that's
Speaker 1: the way that I was like, this is gibberish, I don't.
Speaker 1: I listened to it four times before I started to
Speaker 1: kind of get it. Yeah, So I'm just going to
Speaker 1: put that out there that um, when we're talking about that.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you ask you this, What if you
Speaker 1: wanted to play that backwards? Do you do you just
Speaker 1: rotate the album backwards on a on a turntable or
Speaker 1: do you tape it and then run the tape backwards?
Speaker 1: How how do you go about doing that? Well, that
Speaker 1: one that we just played, I presume was a digital
Speaker 1: digitally reverse copy. But I would assume back in the day,
Speaker 1: Back in the day, what you had you had to
Speaker 1: take because the record needle is meant to run one
Speaker 1: way in the group, So what people would have to
Speaker 1: do is they would essentially have to lift the arm
Speaker 1: out of its its socket, the record player arm, and
Speaker 1: then rotate at ninety degrees so that when the track
Speaker 1: was running backwards, it was still writing in the groove
Speaker 1: instead of pushing into the group. I've seen it done.
Speaker 1: That's it's hokey. That's one of my that's one of
Speaker 1: my theories is that the person who put this out there,
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to get a whole lot of
Speaker 1: people to ruin their albums. This is like, what was
Speaker 1: that stupid game that was out for a while for
Speaker 1: tossing your cell phone into the air? Yeah? Yeah, could
Speaker 1: you toss your phone just so people would be dumb
Speaker 1: and break them. I was I was actually gonna write
Speaker 1: write a phone app for your for your cell phone,
Speaker 1: for your iPhone and you and your droid. It's the
Speaker 1: scale and so that's so you're up up the scale
Speaker 1: and then it just waste things and then you just
Speaker 1: you just you know, you just you know, you set
Speaker 1: it on the ground and you get on the scale
Speaker 1: and perfect. I think that's a great idea. I can
Speaker 1: maybe make money. Sorry, let's get back on UM. So
Speaker 1: that little revelation UM really spurred people to start looking
Speaker 1: for clues, and actually there were a lot of aired
Speaker 1: uh comments and fans calling into certain DJs, and then
Speaker 1: news articles, most notably in the Michigan Daily, which is
Speaker 1: actually reputable source, or at least was at the time.
Speaker 1: But this is kind of when I guess collective clue
Speaker 1: finding started to happen, but it really kind of took
Speaker 1: off at that point. So we're gonna there's not I mean,
Speaker 1: there's theories about this. It's going to be a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different episode. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the what I'm calling the clues quote unquote them. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of them, and but they're kind of
Speaker 1: proof for one or the other. But we're gonna commingle.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about, you know, some of them
Speaker 1: and then go back and talk about why they may
Speaker 1: or may not be true. Um. And that's going to
Speaker 1: be kind of the format instead of seeing, here's the
Speaker 1: theories for, and here's the theories against, because there's so
Speaker 1: much and you know, frankly, the theories against are like, well,
Speaker 1: that's dumb, and I don't want to do that. I
Speaker 1: want to actually address Yeah, and bye, thanks everyone. So
Speaker 1: let's start talking about clues. And I guess the the
Speaker 1: first thing that we're going to talk about a cigarette
Speaker 1: that was found outside his apartment and that was weird
Speaker 1: because he didn't smoke. Nobody in England at that time
Speaker 1: smoke no no no. Um. One of the big clues
Speaker 1: came from Strawberry Fields Forever. And at the end, apparently
Speaker 1: you can hear John Lennon saying I buried Paul Um
Speaker 1: and then actually speaking of speaking stuff, let's listen to
Speaker 1: something else for a second. He begs him him. You
Speaker 1: can clearly hear gibberish interspersed with Paul is dead, miss him,
Speaker 1: miss him, miss him? Right? You heard that right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So for the I buried Paul Thing. Um No, he
Speaker 1: says cranberry sauce twice. I think I don't know why
Speaker 1: he says cranberry sauce. They were loaded, Yeah, probably that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but the Beatles were having a hi old time,
Speaker 1: no pun intended. Yeah they weren't. They weren't as extreme
Speaker 1: as the Rolling Stones by any means, or you know,
Speaker 1: or the Doors Morrison. He was yeah, yeah, So John
Speaker 1: Lennon actually says cranberry sauce at the end of Strawberry
Speaker 1: Fields Forever. You can find some pretty good YouTube videos
Speaker 1: of it slowed down really far, and it's extra clear
Speaker 1: that he says cranberry sauce. Is much like um Daft
Speaker 1: Punk when they put out that song two years ago
Speaker 1: and everybody thought it was saying Mexican Monkey. And remember
Speaker 1: that Daft Punk. They their their new record came out
Speaker 1: a couple of years back, and the first song on it,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it actually says, but everybody was like,
Speaker 1: it's Shane Mexican Monkey. And to the point that band
Speaker 1: was got on the Internet and said, please stop telling
Speaker 1: people it says Mexican Monkey. But I can't remember what
Speaker 1: it says now that you put me on the spot.
Speaker 1: But everybody, you know I heard it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that until somebody's told me that's what
Speaker 1: it said. Oh yeah, because you know, sometimes when songs happen,
Speaker 1: you're not exactly sure how the annunciation is working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and to that point, um, this whole Paul
Speaker 1: is dead miss him, miss Him part. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: don't hear it at all, like at all. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the one I was. I listened to it four times.
Speaker 1: I kept reading it before I figured out what it
Speaker 1: was supposed to say. I could hear it in there,
Speaker 1: but I had already seen the text. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: also don't know what was meant to be said there,
Speaker 1: Like nobody has ever said no, no, this person is
Speaker 1: saying this, so I could self correct. It was just
Speaker 1: that was the only thing for him, miss him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a backwards recording. Yeah, but I mean it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: like it would be easy for them to say, like, wow,
Speaker 1: but it's this yeah, gibberish forwards and backwards. Well I
Speaker 1: don't think it was gibberish for it is. I listened
Speaker 1: to it. It's gibberish. I swear you're wrong. I thought
Speaker 1: that was actual words at that point when it was
Speaker 1: going forward. It's gibberish going forward. It actually sounds more
Speaker 1: like words going backwards than it does forwards. And that
Speaker 1: recorded this. Oh man, I think it was Lennon talking
Speaker 1: at that point. Sorry, you know what, it could be
Speaker 1: something completely I watched. I tried to watch The Yellow
Speaker 1: Submarine this week just to do extra research, and that
Speaker 1: was a giant mistake. That's not not my favorite Beatles movie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it was. I don't remember watching that and
Speaker 1: I had stopped. Yeah, so another clue here is UM
Speaker 1: something else album covers. Quickly, we'll talk about the Yesterday
Speaker 1: and Today cover UM, which was initially baby Dolls dismembered
Speaker 1: exactly like Paul was in the accident, right right right.
Speaker 1: The producers thought that it was a bit much, so
Speaker 1: they replaced it worth from one where Paul was sitting
Speaker 1: in a box, which was obviously meant to be a coffin.
Speaker 1: It was a big trunk. It was like a shipping
Speaker 1: or steamer trunk. But no, actually, that's silly. I've listened
Speaker 1: to some interviews with Lennon uh and he says that
Speaker 1: he wanted to quote break the Beatles image unquote of
Speaker 1: being a good boy band and to show quote that
Speaker 1: we were aware of life unquote and um not some angels.
Speaker 1: And then I think that second one probably signifies like
Speaker 1: we feel like we're being put in a box. Very likely.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I were the Beatles and I was
Speaker 1: hearing all these rumors that would be had attempted to
Speaker 1: have a little fun with it. Totally. Yeah. The hard
Speaker 1: problem with that is that, I mean there were Beatles
Speaker 1: fan clubs in every town across the world, and and
Speaker 1: they were The fans were voracious, and nobody get upset
Speaker 1: at me because my Beatles knowledge is a little weak
Speaker 1: in general. I'm not you know some no, but I'm
Speaker 1: not a Beatle just but those people were rabid and
Speaker 1: I could just imagine that if you were caught messing
Speaker 1: with them, it would be bad. Yeah. Absolutely, that's true. Yea,
Speaker 1: I guess people working. That's where the word band comes from.
Speaker 1: It's fanatic yep. So yeah, they're guardo crazy. Uh pretty much. Okay,
Speaker 1: Next is the um Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band
Speaker 1: album cover. It's a big one. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: to all that stuff. Um. And as a side note,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite Beatles album. Alright, so let's just
Speaker 1: go through them all real quick. Here. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: hand over Paul's head all the as though he was
Speaker 1: being blessed by a priest before being interred across this
Speaker 1: grave site. You should look this up. If you look
Speaker 1: it up before you pause us google it, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then come back. Cool, you're back, Welcome back. Across the
Speaker 1: grave site is a bass guitar that's oriented the way Paul,
Speaker 1: who was left handed, would have played it. Is it
Speaker 1: a grave site. It's a big area with flowers on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's meant to be a great
Speaker 1: of even like not in weird interpretations. I think it's
Speaker 1: meant to be kind of signifying the death of the
Speaker 1: old Beatles. I mean, there's so some of the some
Speaker 1: symbolism that the sympology that we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about is. Um, if you're if you haven't stopped and
Speaker 1: googled it and found it. There's these wax figures of
Speaker 1: quote unquote the old Beatles and then um, the new
Speaker 1: Beatles in there like technicolor uniforms, and so I think
Speaker 1: it's supposed to signify them finally being able to kind
Speaker 1: of break their old mold of the boy band and
Speaker 1: going into this new genre. So I do believe it
Speaker 1: is meant to be a grave site either way. The
Speaker 1: strings on the bass guitar made out of flowers are
Speaker 1: made of sticks, but there are only three sticks instead
Speaker 1: of four, just because there would be three beatles instead
Speaker 1: of four without Paul the base. Yeah. If you hold
Speaker 1: a mirror across the middle of the words lonely Hearts
Speaker 1: that are written in the center of the drum, in
Speaker 1: the very center of the album cover, you only see
Speaker 1: I one I x he die with like little I
Speaker 1: don't actually know what those things are called. The greater
Speaker 1: than Yeah. But by the way you're you're reflecting the
Speaker 1: top part of the letters. So it's the top part
Speaker 1: of the letters which reflecting, not the bottom. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: not you're not it's not in the center horizontal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's horizontal reflecting the top down exactly. So rearrange a
Speaker 1: little bit. Given some spaces, uh, it should say I
Speaker 1: want I x he um you know, greater than less
Speaker 1: than uh die, which the image suggests. The date which
Speaker 1: is eleven nine or November ninety six. That Paul died,
Speaker 1: and the diamond in between the words he and die
Speaker 1: points directly at Paul. So obviously that is a sign
Speaker 1: that Paul died on November nine, actually greater than listen
Speaker 1: symbol that. Look at the image for ding Dong's it's
Speaker 1: it's just a diamond, yeah kind of And actually it
Speaker 1: doesn't say he die. It says it says one one
Speaker 1: E or I I E. No, that's just a bad image,
Speaker 1: is that? What it is actually is a cross a
Speaker 1: little cross piece there. It's it's from the internet, of course,
Speaker 1: it's UM. There was a model of an Aston Martin,
Speaker 1: which was the type of car that Paul was supposedly
Speaker 1: driving at the time of his fatal accident, leaned against UM.
Speaker 1: A doll's leg in the picture, and the interior of
Speaker 1: this car is apparently read, which symbolizes Paul's bloody accident.
Speaker 1: There's a a grandmother figure that a doll is laying on,
Speaker 1: and there's something that looks much like a bloody stained
Speaker 1: driving globe UM sitting there with that. There's a Japanese
Speaker 1: stone figure on the other side in front of the
Speaker 1: wax images of these younger beetles, and it's got a
Speaker 1: line on its head, which obviously represents the head wound
Speaker 1: that Paul sustained in his fatal accident or decapitation. I
Speaker 1: don't really know. The there's a four armed Indian doll
Speaker 1: and front in like the very front center. Two of
Speaker 1: the dolls arms are raised pointing directly at New Paul
Speaker 1: fall and Paul Old Paul UM, which apparently signifies something.
Speaker 1: The television set on the ground to the right of
Speaker 1: the Beatles is turned off, suggesting that the news of
Speaker 1: the tragedy had been suppressed. And then UM in the photo.
Speaker 1: On the sleeve of Paul's uniform is a patch that
Speaker 1: says O p D, which is obviously UM stands for
Speaker 1: officially pronounced dead. Right, So you guys want to go
Speaker 1: back and talk about some of these, Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: actually looked up UM. I actually was able to find
Speaker 1: some behind the scenes pictures of this photo shoot, which
Speaker 1: we're actually really really interesting from the different angles and
Speaker 1: just people. It was actually like UM people painting the
Speaker 1: figures that are standing behind them and getting them all
Speaker 1: set up, and then the Beatles in different pose is
Speaker 1: and the Beatles kind of just hanging out, and so
Speaker 1: that was really interesting and also very enlightening. So let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what that informed me of
Speaker 1: for this stuff. The idea that there's a hand over
Speaker 1: Paul's head as though he were being blessed, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a waving figure. He just happens to be standing
Speaker 1: in front of picture of somebody who's who's waving was
Speaker 1: waving in the original. Yes, there's another photo that you
Speaker 1: know just as well could have been the album cover
Speaker 1: and John Lennon was standing under it. So does that
Speaker 1: mean that that was also a sign that John Lennon
Speaker 1: was going to be assassinated? That Oh my god, the
Speaker 1: bass guitar also looks exactly like a p so maybe
Speaker 1: it actually stands for Paul, or even if you squint
Speaker 1: really hard, it could even spell out Paul. Either way,
Speaker 1: I think it's silly just in general that its gar Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've actually seen some pretty funny images of this where
Speaker 1: people have also insert did other things, so that, um,
Speaker 1: the I think something about camera what part of it.
Speaker 1: But it says lies in the main text of Sergeant Pepper.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is that if you look at
Speaker 1: the original and then you look at this one, that
Speaker 1: shows that it says lies it's so freaking photoshop it's absurd. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. And then well I I say that, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we find so many of them, some of them
Speaker 1: we just it becomes an avalanche. Well, and the thing
Speaker 1: to also remember is that this this was created on
Speaker 1: a sound stage basically, like all of the flowers were
Speaker 1: actually arranged, all everything was actually arranged, and they were
Speaker 1: actually in the space. It's not like a modern photo
Speaker 1: shoot where things are then photoshopped on top or even
Speaker 1: altered afterwards. And so you know, when we start talking
Speaker 1: about well it looks like there's only three sticks instead
Speaker 1: of four, it's a bad camera angle. There's four sticks
Speaker 1: on their calm down next the I one I X
Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, that's very similar to the backwards recordings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interpretation. I don't really see it. I do, I
Speaker 1: I see it, but it's it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that you're just you're grasping for things. It's very convenient
Speaker 1: that it's the Roman numeral I for the first thing,
Speaker 1: and then spelled out O N E for the second,
Speaker 1: with an X followed after it to make eleven. Why
Speaker 1: can't it be one one ten's But here's the other
Speaker 1: such a stretch. And here's the really big thing is
Speaker 1: that you may or may not be forgetting that the
Speaker 1: Beatles were British and they date things day month year,
Speaker 1: not month day year. So if they were going to
Speaker 1: insert something, why in the world would they do it
Speaker 1: in the American style of eleven nine instead of nine
Speaker 1: eleven daw because we're the only world smarta to figure
Speaker 1: it out, obviously, you're right. Well, yeah, probably the person
Speaker 1: to photoshop this is an American, right, Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also that not the difference in fonts between the
Speaker 1: E and he and the reverse three. Yeah, that's what's
Speaker 1: going on with that. Um is that is that reverse three?
Speaker 1: Is that symbol as the remaining live Beetles? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: So the Aston Martin thing. To be honest, I don't
Speaker 1: see any car model in the image. It's really small.
Speaker 1: But furthermore, the car that crashed that Paul owned that
Speaker 1: night was actually a Mini Cooper, not an Aston Martin,
Speaker 1: so no wonder he died. Yeah. Um, that does look
Speaker 1: like there's a bloody glove being worn by the grandmother figure.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that, but it also it's not it
Speaker 1: looks like a glove. It doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: driving glove. It just looks like a white glove. And
Speaker 1: there are such things as in red gloves. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's not it's looks like it's blood stained, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not just all read. The Japanese stone figure is
Speaker 1: one that I've seen a lot of and they always
Speaker 1: look like that, so I don't I don't think that's crazy. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: he was decapitated, not conked on the head, so like,
Speaker 1: why didn't it just not have a head? The Shiva
Speaker 1: doll she is, yes, okay, the Shiva doll is pointing
Speaker 1: at Paul and Paul fair again, she's also pointing in
Speaker 1: everybody else. No, she even got six arms. She's pointing
Speaker 1: six different directions. It's two down and or it's four
Speaker 1: down and two up. The only two up are pointing
Speaker 1: at Paul and and fall. However, Shiva's all often depicted
Speaker 1: like that, so like, and it's a it's one of
Speaker 1: those like Coopie dolls kind of, so the arms only
Speaker 1: go in so many directions, got it, Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: you know it's Paul was Paul probably thought of himself
Speaker 1: as you know, kind of being in charge of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. So he probably insisted on, you know, being
Speaker 1: the center of attention a little. Maybe it's possible voice,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. He's still alive. It doesn't matter. M
Speaker 1: The television, the television set being off doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: at all, because like, why would the television set be
Speaker 1: on for for this? Have you ever tried to photograph
Speaker 1: a television? It's done. Also then also you need a
Speaker 1: power chord, you know, maybe somebody forgot the power chords.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then the patch that's on paul
Speaker 1: sleeve you can see in a lot of other places
Speaker 1: and also in these other photos that I saw, it's
Speaker 1: actually an Ontario Provincial Police badge, which you can see
Speaker 1: in other photo shoots and you can look up pictures
Speaker 1: of and it looks the same. So calm down. So
Speaker 1: it is that calm down? Well, why did they go
Speaker 1: with Ontario Provincial Police? I don't know it was colorful
Speaker 1: because it says oh it doesn't it says O P
Speaker 1: P O. Wow. I never expect to. Uh. Next up,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the rest of this cover
Speaker 1: because it's like one of the biggest clues. But we're
Speaker 1: kind of so Sergeant Pepper's only Heart Club Band album
Speaker 1: was kind of a new thing. They included a sleeve
Speaker 1: that included um lyrics and things like that in in
Speaker 1: the album, and that wasn't a thing that they were
Speaker 1: really doing before then, No I became kind of the
Speaker 1: standard operating. Yeah, they kind of set the standards. So
Speaker 1: on the sleeve there are a lot of clues to
Speaker 1: you guys, ready to talk about those please okay? UM.
Speaker 1: So on the picture, um, behind all of the lyrics
Speaker 1: and track listings, Paul has his back turned to the
Speaker 1: camera about the other three are facing front. And by
Speaker 1: the way, it's more of a close up of the band.
Speaker 1: Only the background, the painted background and all the flowers
Speaker 1: and stuff isn't there. It's not there anymore. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just the band members. And then he has black buttons
Speaker 1: on the back of his coat, which um apparently represent
Speaker 1: the morning of the other Beatles. There's three of them,
Speaker 1: three of the Beatles and also three of the buttons.
Speaker 1: If that wasn't clear, all of them except for Ringo
Speaker 1: so um, John, Paul, and George were all about the
Speaker 1: same height, at least they were when they first started recording.
Speaker 1: And let's just go ahead and start that off by
Speaker 1: saying they start recording when they were in there, like
Speaker 1: early twenties, and men typically grow until they're and they're
Speaker 1: like mid to late twenties. They keep growing for a
Speaker 1: while after that. And they started earlier than they started
Speaker 1: in their teams. And we'll talk about some dates a
Speaker 1: little bit, um. But so apparently it's very mysterious that
Speaker 1: suddenly Paul is taller than the other two, like he's
Speaker 1: ascending the heaven. Next to Paul's head are the words
Speaker 1: without you, Um, from the song title within You without You,
Speaker 1: which is like my favorite Beatles song. Also Um, George
Speaker 1: appears to be pointing at the words Wednesday morning at
Speaker 1: five o'clock as the day begins, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: when Paul died in his car accident. The title song
Speaker 1: sergeant Um, it's very hot in here. Uh. That song
Speaker 1: introduces um one Billy Shears, who tells the audience in um,
Speaker 1: with a little help from my friends, quote, lend me
Speaker 1: your ears and I'll sing you a song and I'll
Speaker 1: try not to sing out of key. Paul's replacement, William
Speaker 1: campbell Um, was often called Billy Shears, and apparently, you know,
Speaker 1: he was still working on perfecting his singing voice to
Speaker 1: sound like Paul, so um, you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: is still adjusting to that, apparently because the Beatles didn't
Speaker 1: put out an album for three years. Yeah, according to this, Okay,
Speaker 1: that isn't really that gap was there. I'm not up
Speaker 1: in my no, there's not. Actually, there's not actually a
Speaker 1: three year gap. I think I didn't think so. In
Speaker 1: the story that we told earlier about Paul picking up
Speaker 1: the woman, apparently her name was Rita, right well, and
Speaker 1: there's a song called Lovely Rita. It has a lyric
Speaker 1: that says I took her home and nearly made it.
Speaker 1: So that's, you know, a song I made it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then towards the end of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart
Speaker 1: Club Band Reprised, you can hear a voice shouting Paul
Speaker 1: is dead. Yeah, really really dead. All right, let's back
Speaker 1: up and talk about some of these if we have to,
Speaker 1: we dor Okay, So, yeah, Paul Paula's back turn in
Speaker 1: in that picture, like I don't know why, but yeah,
Speaker 1: was the significance of him having black buttons on his jacket. Okay,
Speaker 1: Can I just stand on the soapbox for a second.
Speaker 1: You always do I do It never ceases to amaze
Speaker 1: me at all of these crazy little references that people
Speaker 1: find in things. You know, Oh well, in this culture,
Speaker 1: a walrus means that to Vikings, and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: so you're saying that instead of focusing on making music
Speaker 1: and chasing women and drinking and having a good time,
Speaker 1: the Beatles were sitting in a library going through tons
Speaker 1: and tons of cultural information to try and find references
Speaker 1: that they could plant it everything, Like right, They're so
Speaker 1: random and out there. Yeah. Yeah, I think that they
Speaker 1: really had better things to do with their time. But
Speaker 1: I also think that probably what happened is on that
Speaker 1: particular day, Paul probably just had a really huge zip
Speaker 1: and so that's why he turned around developed in the
Speaker 1: photo shoot. Yeah it did. He was just stressed out
Speaker 1: or he I mean, there's just a million reasons he
Speaker 1: could have had a back turned. So, like, I guess
Speaker 1: the subtitle for this episode should be calmed down. UM
Speaker 1: As to his height difference, it does appear that M.
Speaker 1: Paul probably did hit a growth spurt, and I have
Speaker 1: some height measurements, um. But regardless, we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: height thing a little bit later. I saw you, and
Speaker 1: I don't like it, um, but the body of that
Speaker 1: human is taller than the body of the other humans.
Speaker 1: But calm down, like men grow. It's fine. As to
Speaker 1: George pointing at Wednesday morning at five o'clock the day begins,
Speaker 1: he was actually making an L, because if you look
Speaker 1: at the hands of the Beatles in that image, they're
Speaker 1: actually low key's spelling love. He's got his hands in
Speaker 1: an L, and then another one has it in an O,
Speaker 1: and then one of them has his hands tucked into
Speaker 1: his pants to make a V, and then the E
Speaker 1: is Yeah, they're spelling love. It's okay. He's not pointing
Speaker 1: at anything. Also, it's not like they took the picture
Speaker 1: with the lyrics like in front of them, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that they weren't in the studio saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going a point here, and you
Speaker 1: should arrange that so that it perfectly matches up with
Speaker 1: the time that Paul died. I don't know, well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I don't know if either of you
Speaker 1: have had to set type. I've had I've done it digitally,
Speaker 1: but do yeah, I mean back in the day when
Speaker 1: you had to do it manually, that would have been
Speaker 1: just insanity to say these three words must line up here.
Speaker 1: Um As to the whole idea of Billy Shears, it
Speaker 1: is a little weird that they made a song that
Speaker 1: included a Paul look alike name in it. But I
Speaker 1: also wasn't at all able to find the origin of
Speaker 1: William Campbell being called Billy Shears. So for all I
Speaker 1: know that nickname has been given to him post fact,
Speaker 1: that would not be surprising. It wouldn't be surprising to
Speaker 1: me either, love Like, just why, I don't know that
Speaker 1: that really says anything at all. I don't think it does.
Speaker 1: That's not even a clue. And then as far as
Speaker 1: the Paul is dead, yeah, really really dead part, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that person is saying in the background.
Speaker 1: And this is again one of those instances where I
Speaker 1: read it and then I listened to it and it
Speaker 1: sounded like it to me, But nobody's ever provided me
Speaker 1: with what was meant to be said there. Um. And
Speaker 1: also I think I could, you know, I could make
Speaker 1: it into anything. I could make it into a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things. It's just kind of in the background,
Speaker 1: really muffled. So I think that's silly. Yeah. Subtitle of
Speaker 1: this episode that's silly. No, it's calmed down. That calmed down,
Speaker 1: that's silly. Yeah, you're right next up the Abbey Road
Speaker 1: coveritive clue. Yeah, there's lots of definitive clues here. Umfit definitively,
Speaker 1: we're going to do the same thing we just did,
Speaker 1: so buckle in. As you look at the four beatles,
Speaker 1: you will see that Paul is the only one out
Speaker 1: of step. So that draws attention to Paul. Again. If
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this, go look it up. But you've
Speaker 1: seen it. It's the one of the Beatles crossing a
Speaker 1: road with But if you can't remember it, go look
Speaker 1: it up because we're gonna reference it. Also, Paul happens
Speaker 1: to be barefoot in this picture. The Beatles are shown
Speaker 1: in a really specific order. Um. John is dressed first
Speaker 1: in white like a priest would be be that, but
Speaker 1: would Ringo was dressed like an undertaker and all black.
Speaker 1: Paul is um quote shabby suited unquote um, and he
Speaker 1: resembles a corpse and obviously his feet are bare. And
Speaker 1: then um, George is in old jeans and he's a
Speaker 1: grave digger. Paul actually looks like a zombie in that photo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does. UM, if you take a closer look at Paul.
Speaker 1: If you take a closer look at Paul, you'll see
Speaker 1: that he's holding a cigarette also known as a off
Speaker 1: and nail in his right hand. And anybody who's any
Speaker 1: kind of fan of the Beatles would know that Paul
Speaker 1: was actually left handed. So why does he have a
Speaker 1: cigarette in his right hand? UM? You know, actually people
Speaker 1: proof proof UM. Behind George Harrison, there's a white Volkswagen
Speaker 1: which looks like an innocent car until you look at
Speaker 1: the license plate, which is UM like something on the
Speaker 1: top half, and then on the bottom half it's twenty
Speaker 1: eight if, which obviously means that you know, Paul would
Speaker 1: be twenty eight if he were alive. And then there's
Speaker 1: UM a policeman and UM and a police car on
Speaker 1: the other side, which symbolizes the police who were called
Speaker 1: to the scene of the crime of UM Paul's accident
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixty six But we're paid off to
Speaker 1: hush up the whole affair. Let's go back a First
Speaker 1: of all, I'm just gonna go ahead and say this
Speaker 1: right now. The Beatles had literally ten minutes to get
Speaker 1: a shot for this album cover, literally ten minutes. It
Speaker 1: was super impromptu. Yeah, the these were holding up traffic. Um.
Speaker 1: They were really anxious to wrap up production on Abbey Road,
Speaker 1: and so they said, you know what, let's just go
Speaker 1: outside and take some pictures. That's what they did. They
Speaker 1: didn't plan anything. There was a photographer there, he took
Speaker 1: some pictures, they went back in. They picked the best one.
Speaker 1: That's what they were with. So the idea that they
Speaker 1: had time to plan all the symbolism like as it
Speaker 1: is silly next, um, Paul being out of step. It
Speaker 1: turns out that almost every single one of the takes
Speaker 1: they were only like five, everyone was out of step,
Speaker 1: like really out of step. This was the only one
Speaker 1: where everyone was stepping at the same time. And the
Speaker 1: fact that Paul was on the wrong foot, it seemed
Speaker 1: pretty trivial. I gotta tell you that I never noticed
Speaker 1: that he was on the wrong foot. Yeah. He also
Speaker 1: he's the one who picked the picture, so I maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's a sign. Maybe fall is
Speaker 1: in on it. Yeah, maybe he also had Yeah he
Speaker 1: was barefoot. He had started out wearing sandals, but they
Speaker 1: were uncomfortable or getting in his way, so he just
Speaker 1: took him off. Yeah, I saw him on David Letterman.
Speaker 1: He was talking about this and he said he was
Speaker 1: wearing flip flops because it was a hot day and
Speaker 1: so yeah, he just said to kick him off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's not wearing any shoes. In terms of the clothing, um,
Speaker 1: all of them were wearing suits, except for Harrison, who
Speaker 1: is wearing okay, find maybe like shabby old jeans. I
Speaker 1: don't really know what his deal is, but um, the
Speaker 1: other three were wearing suits that were specifically designed for
Speaker 1: them by a designer by the name of Tommy Nutter,
Speaker 1: who I know sounds crazy but is actually a really
Speaker 1: prominent suit designer in um from Britain, not anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't remember if he's alive or not. But so this
Speaker 1: whole idea that Paul is in a shabby suit, that's silly.
Speaker 1: It's a designer suit designs specifically for him. Is Tommy Nutter,
Speaker 1: the one who invented the cookie, the Nutter butter. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Um, so Harrison was wearing Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: wearing jeans, but it wasn't even I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: old they was. He was wearing nice stuff. They're all
Speaker 1: wearing nice stuff. You're reading into it. Calm down, The
Speaker 1: next fact, which is really fun for me, is the
Speaker 1: bit about the cigarette. So at one point they're all
Speaker 1: smoking obviously, right, the Beatles smoked a lot, everybody did.
Speaker 1: But the really interesting part about this, I guess to
Speaker 1: me at least, is that the working title for abbey
Speaker 1: Road was actually Everest because the sound designer that they
Speaker 1: worked with um smoked their engineer. They're sorry, their engineer,
Speaker 1: Their sound engineer, theater old habits too hard. Their sound
Speaker 1: engineer's favorite brand of cigarettes was called Everest and he
Speaker 1: was always smoking them. So they're working title was Everest.
Speaker 1: They initially planned to continue to have that be the
Speaker 1: title and hire a private jet and go take pictures
Speaker 1: of Everest, and that was what the album was going
Speaker 1: to be, but they were running out of time and
Speaker 1: so Paul said, you know what, screw it, Um, we're
Speaker 1: all tired of this. Let's just go take a picture
Speaker 1: outside in ten minutes as discussed, and then, UM, we'll
Speaker 1: just named after abbey Road and that's fine, And everyone said, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they wanted to continue to pay homage
Speaker 1: to that, at least the idea of calling it Everest
Speaker 1: in you know, respect to the sound engineer so they
Speaker 1: had a cigarette. And then okay, yeah, Paul was left handed,
Speaker 1: but like, if he had a cigarette in his left hand,
Speaker 1: no one would be able to see it. You know
Speaker 1: what the great thing about cigarettes is you could smoke
Speaker 1: him with either hands hands. There is no such thing
Speaker 1: as a left hand only cigarette. But also, if you
Speaker 1: are trying to get it in the shot, you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're being shot from the right side. You're going to
Speaker 1: have it on the right side. I will also say
Speaker 1: that smokers typically don't even realize that they have a
Speaker 1: cigarette in their hand and that it's going to be included. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many photos of people who years they like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, a cigarette, no idea, how to cigarette?
Speaker 1: So those are the two options, right, Either he just
Speaker 1: forgot about it or it was intentional, but it was
Speaker 1: an homage to the fact that they were going to
Speaker 1: call it Everest and then that kind of fell through.
Speaker 1: And plus you know, I mean also, you know, probably
Speaker 1: a lot of smokers actually use their less dominant hand
Speaker 1: to hold the cigarettecause they're doing something else, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: holding a drink. Yeah, you know. So yeah, in regards
Speaker 1: to the bug that had yeah, like I said, that
Speaker 1: was only half of the license plate. And also it
Speaker 1: actually just belonged to the people who lived in the
Speaker 1: flat next to the recording studio, so it just was
Speaker 1: there all the time. In fact, they had a big
Speaker 1: problem with theft after Abbey Road was released. People would
Speaker 1: come and steal the license plate a lot, and then
Speaker 1: finally somebody stole the car itself, like the entire car,
Speaker 1: and it's now I think it's in a museum in
Speaker 1: Germany or something like that. They took it to Germany. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's actually in a museum. It's like a famous artifact now.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't intentional. And then to the police, like
Speaker 1: there were police, they're holding up traffic, that's what they
Speaker 1: were doing. You can see them holding up graphic Calm down.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's the word of the day. Are people
Speaker 1: needing calming down? I mean, I know that this was
Speaker 1: a big thing back in the you know, late sixties,
Speaker 1: early seventies. But here's the big problem actually is that
Speaker 1: Ringo Star recently didn't interview where he mentioned something about
Speaker 1: Paul being dead, like in two thus fifteen mentioned something
Speaker 1: about Paul being dead, and it started it up again.
Speaker 1: And I started up again also because it was Ringo
Speaker 1: Star saying something about Paul being dead, so people thought
Speaker 1: that was pretty good authority. I didn't actually watch any
Speaker 1: of those interviews, I'll be honest with you, because I
Speaker 1: just don't think that's But there there are so many
Speaker 1: people who have been so attached to I mean, you
Speaker 1: remember Jeff On in the Facebook group. That guy was
Speaker 1: lobbying for this story all the time. We did it substantly. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, we've satisfied it for Jeff, but but he
Speaker 1: was one of many where it was like you would
Speaker 1: talk about something and it would be oh, but then
Speaker 1: the Polish dead thing, and then you would talk about
Speaker 1: catfood with the Paul dead thing, and then you talk
Speaker 1: about the Chinese you had the night before. Don't let
Speaker 1: me go. So yeah, Jeff, Jeff, hey, this is this
Speaker 1: one is for you. But also calm down. It's a
Speaker 1: fun story. It's been around forever. Well, there's actually a
Speaker 1: bit more here, unfortunately, So yeah, we're not done. Well,
Speaker 1: we are done with Abbey Road scene. I'm done. Your
Speaker 1: book is out, so I don't like you. So there's
Speaker 1: actually a bit um of an ad on theory here
Speaker 1: um and that is that actually um m I five
Speaker 1: had something to do with the of the selection of
Speaker 1: of the replacement of Paul, the replacement of Paul with Fall. Um,
Speaker 1: they helped select this person and we'll talk about who
Speaker 1: it might be in just like one second. Um. But
Speaker 1: the whole reason for that is because Paul or fall whichever,
Speaker 1: just pretty quickly after being replaced, gave an interview in
Speaker 1: which he admitted to having used LSD, which encouraged a
Speaker 1: lot of young people to experiment with LSD, which was
Speaker 1: actually an m I five plot to be able to
Speaker 1: better control people in the late sixties early seventies because
Speaker 1: they were on LSD and hallucinogenic drugs and they were
Speaker 1: easier to manipulate and control. So um. So M I
Speaker 1: five actually placed Fall there and had him admit that
Speaker 1: as Paul, And that's what happened there. We hadn't paid
Speaker 1: for these mikes and they weren't stuck in this mounty
Speaker 1: thing on in front of me. I would drop it
Speaker 1: on the ground, right now, you would, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that's who put this theory out there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: M five and m I six are always kind of
Speaker 1: a logger. Yeah, Well, but you know who actually put
Speaker 1: it out there was m I seventeen because they're the
Speaker 1: deviouses they're on. Yeah. Yeah, well, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't think that people being high on LSD or
Speaker 1: coming down from LST or any easier to control. But hey,
Speaker 1: that's just me. So who who replaced Paul? I mean,
Speaker 1: assuming clues are mysteries, who is fault? I guess kind of.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know what this mystery is.
Speaker 1: Um it's you know, is Paul dead? Well? Probably not.
Speaker 1: But if he is, who, um? Yeah, according to fall
Speaker 1: he's not. You mean, um, so he could have been replaced,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned before, um by one Mr William Campbell,
Speaker 1: who was actually called Billy Shears. His name was William
Speaker 1: Shears Campbell. He did win a Paul look like contest,
Speaker 1: although I've never been able to find any pictures. Didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, and I haven't been able to find
Speaker 1: any pictures. One would assume that if somebody want to
Speaker 1: look like contests, there would be pictures of that person everywhere,
Speaker 1: but not so I guess almost that's a little suspicious, right,
Speaker 1: So if she disappeared, WHOA what does that mean? Well,
Speaker 1: he did apparently disappear, but again, no official reports or
Speaker 1: anything like that. So maybe he didn't so much disappear
Speaker 1: just or just never exist. And so again I don't
Speaker 1: know if he could sing or not. Um, it's a
Speaker 1: good question. And then the other person he could have
Speaker 1: been is um this guy named Billie Shepherd. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why it's always Billy, but it's always Billy. Billy
Speaker 1: Shepherd didn't really look a whole lot like Paul, but
Speaker 1: he was the ex leader of Billy Pepper and the
Speaker 1: pepper Pots, which was a band, uh in kind of
Speaker 1: contemporary band of the Beatles, and they sounded quite a
Speaker 1: bit like the Beatles. Actually, he sounded quite a bit
Speaker 1: like Paul Um at least in the early days of
Speaker 1: the Beatles, the kind of poppy, you know, she loves
Speaker 1: me kind of stuff. Yeah, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: from all the pictures I saw, he didn't really look
Speaker 1: like Paul, so he would have had to undergone pretty
Speaker 1: extensive plastic surgery. And whoever it was obviously just hated
Speaker 1: John because they began to fight just incessantly. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: he just wanted to, you know, go solo. I wanted
Speaker 1: to just live his life as Paul and that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of think that it would have made more
Speaker 1: sense to forgo the plastic surgery and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: unfortunately Paul I got killed, but we have this awesome
Speaker 1: replacement is super talented, and that would be the simplest answer.
Speaker 1: But according to our conspiracy friends, that is not the
Speaker 1: word the way the world operates, because young girls would
Speaker 1: be throwing themselves off of bridges and buildings everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I actually have I have some pictures in this
Speaker 1: script that unfortunately our UM listeners can't see. But the
Speaker 1: pictures are. The pictures are kind of where I start
Speaker 1: to lose my skepticism a little bit just looking at them.
Speaker 1: And you guys, I really encourage you all post some
Speaker 1: links to some stuff that encourages that that has some
Speaker 1: UM side by side comparisons. I um, I see what
Speaker 1: people see. I totally see what people see. I don't
Speaker 1: think that, you know, old Paul looks like new Paul
Speaker 1: really that much at all. Does he look like that
Speaker 1: to you for the most part? Does? I'm sorry one
Speaker 1: of you said no, there are difference. Isn't anyone said no,
Speaker 1: he looks like him? So look at these two guys,
Speaker 1: they're like similar. Those are the ones that look the
Speaker 1: most similar, but there's like a lot of differences in
Speaker 1: those um and then particularly the ones on these two pages,
Speaker 1: Like the chin is totally different, and that's not like
Speaker 1: a weight loss thing. It's a totally different chin shape.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. You don't. I don't. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do your photo analysis thing that you do. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I don't have to analyze any photos other than look
Speaker 1: at him and go, Okay, that photo was taken in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three and the other photo was taken in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven or sixty eight. Okay, ballpark, ballpark ranges here.
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of things. The guys are aging,
Speaker 1: they're losing their baby fat. That's going to have an
Speaker 1: impact on it's a heroin addict, also in a methodict.
Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't, but but they can. They probably all
Speaker 1: got a little bit of plastic surgery here and there
Speaker 1: to fix some things they didn't like make in the
Speaker 1: sixties that was so prevalent, though I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, at the at the level
Speaker 1: of fame that they had, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that they couldn't have done it, but there's some things
Speaker 1: that really make me think that it is just simply aging.
Speaker 1: And one of them is the insane schedule that the
Speaker 1: Beatles held between So you guys have read the history
Speaker 1: of the Beatles and and there's this point where they
Speaker 1: spent a bunch of time in Hamburg, and they were
Speaker 1: there over the course of like three or four years.
Speaker 1: This is before the US invasion. They did twelve hundred
Speaker 1: live events in three years or three and a half years.
Speaker 1: That's a freaking insane schedule. They worked hard. I have
Speaker 1: a popular and I have a feeling that a lot
Speaker 1: of these early photos that we see have two things
Speaker 1: going on. One is they're probably wearing makeup is going
Speaker 1: to hide the wrinkles, and two, they've probably been airbrushed
Speaker 1: because it wasn't around, so you had to airbrush photos
Speaker 1: so that the wrinkles went away. So that's a huge
Speaker 1: thing to me, is that they had worked so hard
Speaker 1: for so long, they're gonna burn out. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: drinking and partying and chasing skirts and just having fun. Well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna burn off that fat. They're They're not gonna
Speaker 1: be a twenty two year old kid anymore. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be a twenty six year old guy, and you see
Speaker 1: that with a lot of men where it's like he
Speaker 1: was so baby faced and then suddenly he has a
Speaker 1: chin and a jawline and it's weird and how did
Speaker 1: that happen? Like that happens all the time. Yeah, yeah, total, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The height thing, so let's I'll just say that. Um.
Speaker 1: In uh, nineteen sixty three, there was a biography that
Speaker 1: was published of Paul and it said that he was
Speaker 1: five eleven, and then in nineteen sixty seven he reported
Speaker 1: that he was six to um, which is it was
Speaker 1: just strange because Paul never looked that tall to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't look that tall to me either. But I also,
Speaker 1: I mean they started wearing lifts like he was wearing shoes.
Speaker 1: But also, dudes grow. Paul was always the tallest of
Speaker 1: them if you look. So I laughed at this because
Speaker 1: there was some articles that I came across from people
Speaker 1: like well, I found this live performance where they were
Speaker 1: moving around and I was trying to use that to
Speaker 1: judge the height of one or the other. Okay, you
Speaker 1: didn't need to do that. They had all kinds of
Speaker 1: skills and they're like my My favorite one is they
Speaker 1: came off the plane when they first hit the States,
Speaker 1: which means that they were they weren't wearing fancy, fancy
Speaker 1: shoes and stuff, because if we're on a plane all day.
Speaker 1: But you know, who's the tallest, Paul, So he didn't
Speaker 1: suddenly get taller than the other guys. He was always
Speaker 1: a little taller than the other Well, and the pictures
Speaker 1: that I always see are of them, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. So people say, oh, but they
Speaker 1: didn't wear exactly the same thing, you know, much longer
Speaker 1: than after they got popular. So it's always kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's really grainy, crappy pictures, and it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: see that one, that one's Paul. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, they all have the exact same haircut, they
Speaker 1: all have dark, dark hair, they're all wearing the same thing.
Speaker 1: That could be Paul, that could be Ringo, that could
Speaker 1: be anyone. I don't know who that is. So you
Speaker 1: can't just say, oh, look that's that one because they
Speaker 1: all look exactly the same. The photo is so grainy,
Speaker 1: e they're wearing the same thing. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of it is taken from like their Ed Sullivan appearance,
Speaker 1: which is video tape. It's it's it's that tape. It's film,
Speaker 1: which is not that greater equality film, and it has
Speaker 1: an aged well. The other thing from that Teleivan film
Speaker 1: that people talk about is the changes in Paul's performance demeanor,
Speaker 1: which is always so interesting to me because it's like, dude, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were like brand new to the stage. They had
Speaker 1: never really performed on that scale before, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was nervous. And then as they performs for The
Speaker 1: Sullivan Show, the sensors would walk up and say, don't
Speaker 1: do this. I mean, there's famous stories about what they told.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen there's that gag video out there.
Speaker 1: I think it's an S and L thing about Elvis
Speaker 1: Pressley on The Sullivan Show, and they said, you can't
Speaker 1: shake your hips, it's it's too sexual, and he went
Speaker 1: ahead and did it. And there's they put a black
Speaker 1: bar across his waist, which I did, and then he
Speaker 1: keeps shaking and the bar keeps rising, he keeps trying
Speaker 1: to get taller till there's nothing but Elvis's chin and
Speaker 1: the in his eyes on the screen, and the whole
Speaker 1: rest of the screen is black like that but that
Speaker 1: is the extent that the sensors went to. They did
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, and I'm sure that they were afraid to
Speaker 1: do anything. Heard that story about the doors, right, there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them. Yeah, So, I mean I
Speaker 1: agree that it's um, they're not good reasons. You have more.
Speaker 1: I see your book out. Yeah, I know the book
Speaker 1: didn't go away. There's still there's let's let's go there.
Speaker 1: Let's throw on the fire for this, okay. Um, So
Speaker 1: I think that where there's this whole thing of Paul
Speaker 1: being in an accident, and that's where this whole story.
Speaker 1: But you do know was never in an accident. Yes
Speaker 1: he was. He was in a mo Pad accident. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was in a Mopad accident. That's how he chipped
Speaker 1: his tooth and that's how he got the scar on
Speaker 1: his lip. But I think that is the kernel of
Speaker 1: oh my god, Paul was in an accident? What actually had? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: So a car that he owned was in a really
Speaker 1: serious accident, and he was in a Mopad accident probably
Speaker 1: you know, within a year or so of each other.
Speaker 1: Who was driving his friends. I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1: There's well, there's there's several friends. There was no he crashed,
Speaker 1: he totaled the car. But he was like, fine, well
Speaker 1: that's for the Mini Cooper. Yeah, there is when you
Speaker 1: when you go on the internet, you will see a
Speaker 1: series of very iconic photos which show I believe it's
Speaker 1: an Aston Martin, it's a sports car and this thing
Speaker 1: is just ripped up and I see it referenced all
Speaker 1: the time for this story. But that's the Princess Die car.
Speaker 1: Well but here's the thing, No, this is this is
Speaker 1: total sixties sporty. I started Google image searching, and I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you can grab an image and
Speaker 1: look for other similars, and very quickly found out that
Speaker 1: there was indeed an accident in the December of nineve
Speaker 1: which people then spun forward to this possible November sixties
Speaker 1: six thing. And is there is a friend of the band,
Speaker 1: a guy whose name was Tara Brown, and he was
Speaker 1: you know, he was a big guy, or not a
Speaker 1: big he was a semi famous and he was hanging
Speaker 1: around with the band doing stuff and he was driving
Speaker 1: his car and he had a woman in the car
Speaker 1: with him, and he swerved to avoid another car and
Speaker 1: he careened through park cars and while it said that
Speaker 1: he was going exceptionally fast. It killed him and his head.
Speaker 1: He took severe damage to his skull and it killed him.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't Paul. He looked nothing like Paul. But
Speaker 1: he was a friend of the Beatles. So this is
Speaker 1: as with always, it's a game of telephone. A friend
Speaker 1: of the Beatles was in a car accident in a
Speaker 1: sports car, and then it do do Do Do Do do?
Speaker 1: Paul is dead. So that's why thing is that. I
Speaker 1: because I was confused when I read your stuff about
Speaker 1: it being the Mini and I what the hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I should have clarified. I'm realizing I didn't
Speaker 1: at this point, Um that that story that we told
Speaker 1: in the beginning is the like Steve version of things,
Speaker 1: when we told the most fantastical version of anything. That's
Speaker 1: what that is, realistic magical mystery tour. Yeah, none of
Speaker 1: it happened. It didn't happen. Sorry, Yeah, I know it was.
Speaker 1: Actually I don't. I didn't even know that it grew
Speaker 1: from that, Colonel Truth. I thought somebody just made it up.
Speaker 1: I really believe that somebody made it up. He did.
Speaker 1: It was an amalgam of a lot of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I think with a lot of these things, it's
Speaker 1: it's held together with spit and duct tape, and it
Speaker 1: just I don't know how it survives. Just a heck
Speaker 1: of a lot of LSD. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that No, actually there's not a lot of things
Speaker 1: have been held together by LSD. So you don't know,
Speaker 1: do you have any more stuff that we need to
Speaker 1: just nothing that is that is really good? Good bits
Speaker 1: that the car and the friend were really and that
Speaker 1: the origin of the scar and the tooth, that it's
Speaker 1: not a different human being he got like people get
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, there was actually somebody who said, Paul,
Speaker 1: you need to get your tooth fixed it it looks
Speaker 1: kind of bad. People are going to notice. But apparently
Speaker 1: it's you know, there was no nerves are and he
Speaker 1: just didn't care. You never fixed it. Yeah, I never
Speaker 1: get fixed a little super glup, you know. I mean that.
Speaker 1: But you know, even though I don't believe that Paul died,
Speaker 1: there is a similar, more recent thing, which is Avril Levine. No,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's actually a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: out there, and it's not it's well, it's not just
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the avro Levine thing I do.
Speaker 1: There's also like the Beyonce was never pregnant thing. There's
Speaker 1: like there's so many of these things out there that
Speaker 1: people are just like crazy, we'll be talking about Levin. No,
Speaker 1: I'll just say the moral of the story is just
Speaker 1: like calm down, Yeah, like take a step back and
Speaker 1: think about what you're saying. Well, the thing about it
Speaker 1: is is that if Paul truly is dead, well they
Speaker 1: found a really good replacement and who cares. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: amazing that they managed to find a replacement that looked
Speaker 1: like sound like that could play the same instrument, could write. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the coincidence for that, the alignment of the stars,
Speaker 1: and really realistically, to Joe's point, I mean Fall, if
Speaker 1: it is, Fall has been Paul for longer than Paul
Speaker 1: ever really was, and at this point he is Paul.
Speaker 1: That's just that's so, what you're telling me is that
Speaker 1: the British monarchy united an impersonator. Yeah, why not. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time, and that, by the way,
Speaker 1: Fall probably deserved it, you know, because he made many
Speaker 1: contributions to the band, apparently at least after he was
Speaker 1: swapped in for Paul. Yeah, yeah, so I guess he
Speaker 1: deserves his knighthood. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So. UM.
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Speaker 1: So I guess we're gonna, you know, just get out
Speaker 1: of here. Okay, So I'm going to join a Beatles
Speaker 1: tribute band, and I'm gonna be bulled. I think we
Speaker 1: had to like start a Beatles tribute band. All we need,
Speaker 1: Actually we don't. We can do it three because Paul's dead, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not Ringo. I'm not Ringo. I'll be Ringo. I'm George. Alright, Ringo.
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here, right bye, guys. I love you,
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