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Speaker 2: And Katie.
Speaker 3: Gee.
Speaker 4: Katie's wearying of all black. You look fire in a
Speaker 4: black T shirt.
Speaker 5: Listen. I Oh, I feel like n of my wardrobe
Speaker 5: is black?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, I have like a like five gray
Speaker 1: T shirts, a couple of white ones, and the rest
Speaker 1: are all black.
Speaker 5: But I'm also you should I can't.
Speaker 1: You can't see it now, but I'm wearing these shorts
Speaker 1: that say vegan meat on me.
Speaker 3: On your dog.
Speaker 4: Oh, I just only a little bit of your happy
Speaker 4: trail and a little bit of your cute stomach.
Speaker 3: It's so cute. You're the cutest.
Speaker 4: I actually think more so than just plain black T
Speaker 4: shirts are white or gray, I think you have the
Speaker 4: biggest collection of T shirts I've ever seen that say
Speaker 4: like cool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Do you know what's funny? A
Speaker 1: fun fact is that when we first started doing our
Speaker 1: fittings for wardrobe for Scandal, I remember speaking with Lin Paula,
Speaker 1: who's our amazing wardrobe person, and we were gonna go
Speaker 1: the graphic tea route like it was good. Huck was
Speaker 1: gonna wear all graphic like teas that said same pictures.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think it was a smart
Speaker 1: move not to go that way, because it sort of
Speaker 1: gave him this comedic edge that I don't think we
Speaker 1: really wanted for Huck. So we kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: steered away from that. And I love that we went
Speaker 1: with the flannels. You know, we wore fucking are we
Speaker 1: were fucking well.
Speaker 4: Thank god that Quinn moved away from the sausage skirts
Speaker 4: and the fucking button down and the spanks and like.
Speaker 3: All that kind of shit.
Speaker 5: Right, did you.
Speaker 3: Ever have you ever tried man spanks?
Speaker 1: No? I haven't, I haven't, but yeah, you wear him
Speaker 1: like on your torso, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like like a cinsure. They're like the Kardashian
Speaker 4: cinsure for dudes.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would fuck with my ego. I
Speaker 1: feel like I just I would rather suck in my stomach.
Speaker 5: I'm not wearing the.
Speaker 1: Fucking mass banks on my torso. Even though I got
Speaker 1: to by that ship well.
Speaker 4: Someone to remain nameless and hasn't come on as a
Speaker 4: guest yet.
Speaker 5: I know, exactly tell me whars.
Speaker 4: Man spanks like on the fucking regular, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to out his ass on this podcast.
Speaker 5: I probably wouldn't care.
Speaker 3: He probably wouldn't care care, he wouldn't care.
Speaker 4: But give anyone who's listening to this podcast one hundred
Speaker 4: dollars if you tweet or instagram message us and guess
Speaker 4: who you think of the scandal.
Speaker 5: Where's the man's spank?
Speaker 3: Family wears man spank?
Speaker 1: You know how I found out, Katie that he wore
Speaker 1: him because every time I would hug him, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this myrtle shit? This motherfucker's worried.
Speaker 1: You could feel it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hug him and you feel like he's wearing
Speaker 4: like a scuba suit underneath.
Speaker 3: His T shirt. Like it feels like a like a condom.
Speaker 3: It feels like a.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a body condom.
Speaker 4: Body condom under his T shirts. Have you you've done
Speaker 4: drag before?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I have? Yeah, Yeah, I did drag.
Speaker 1: One of my first movies was a movie called Stonewall,
Speaker 1: based on the nineteen sixty rights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most amazing indie film.
Speaker 5: I remember.
Speaker 1: They didn't even put me in drag till like God
Speaker 1: on God on set, which is crazy?
Speaker 3: Was that your craze? Imemver being in drag or you
Speaker 3: would like fucked around.
Speaker 1: In your own Oh, that was my first time ever
Speaker 1: being in drag. I mean I did a fitting and
Speaker 1: stuff before the film, but when you really saw me
Speaker 1: all put together, it was a first day on. But
Speaker 1: you know, indie films, we didn't have the money to
Speaker 1: do camera test or none of that shit.
Speaker 3: No, And did you like it?
Speaker 5: I did like it. I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I remember, yo, it was so funny because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm quite hairy, so I remember I was still living
Speaker 1: at home at the time.
Speaker 3: You know what your body hair is nice?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not too too it's darker. Yeah, it's exactly.
Speaker 4: Coarse or like wiry. It's actually like kind of soft.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, but yo, Katie, I remember being in
Speaker 1: the getting in the.
Speaker 5: Bathtub because I still lived at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Washington nights and my mother helping me shave
Speaker 1: my body.
Speaker 5: Is that great? It was so sweet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, so itchy, Oh it was terrible. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you get your.
Speaker 3: Own hairs and of crazy. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 5: And Dragon was the best. It was. It was so
Speaker 5: much fun.
Speaker 4: You also love drag queens. I mean I feel like
Speaker 4: you and Mikey like and your friends. You are very
Speaker 4: supportive of the drive world out here in La which
Speaker 4: is I mean, the makeup skills and the Oh I
Speaker 4: don't think I've ever had to dress up like a guy.
Speaker 3: No, that would be Katie, thank you.
Speaker 1: Like full on suit with like a little mustag and
Speaker 1: your hair comb to the side.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm just too round faced, Like I
Speaker 4: think I would need to have more with jawline or something.
Speaker 1: No, well, you could get the facial hair glued on
Speaker 1: your face and that she will you know what I mean, square.
Speaker 5: Your jaw off in your face.
Speaker 3: I've never had to do that.
Speaker 1: Do it.
Speaker 5: Let's do it, let's candle podcasts. Yes, it will be Yeah, everyone.
Speaker 4: Listening Gearmo not a shock or Gamo's favorite holiday and
Speaker 4: the entire world is Halloween.
Speaker 5: Halloween, Halloween.
Speaker 3: Wait, my mother's calling me. Hold on, I just have
Speaker 3: to tell her what Hey, Mom, are you okay?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm just in the middle
Speaker 4: of a podcast record with Ghermo.
Speaker 3: I Love you by.
Speaker 5: She said she's a all fuck.
Speaker 3: No, she said, my mom.
Speaker 4: Says fuck all the time. But I was like, Mom,
Speaker 4: are you okay? Because when she calls me multiple times.
Speaker 4: I just jumped the fucking nightmare. Yeah, and of course
Speaker 4: I pick up.
Speaker 3: She goes, no, I'm checking on you. Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 4: This is my mother. Ever, I mean, she already called
Speaker 4: me be fucking voicemails. She's neurotic, and this is where
Speaker 4: I get it from. It is not my fault. Generational
Speaker 4: anxiety is not my fault.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's the worst my dad person in the world.
Speaker 3: Read worry at all time. If she calls me more
Speaker 3: than once, I've assumed you're like someone's like someone's in
Speaker 3: the hospital. Yes, and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But she also says to me, if I go twenty
Speaker 4: four hours without picking up a phone and calling or
Speaker 4: she lends me, she sends me an email or a text,
Speaker 4: and she says, if I don't hear from you within
Speaker 4: the next twenty four hours, I'm calling the police.
Speaker 5: No way. I love her so much.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, how am I not supposed
Speaker 3: to be anxious?
Speaker 1: This is the person's looking good. I don't know what
Speaker 1: age she is, but she looks fucking amazing.
Speaker 4: She's sixty seven and she's never done anything.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's all that yoga. I mean she does that
Speaker 1: yoga hardcore right woo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we've got it. We've got a wild guest
Speaker 3: coming on today that.
Speaker 4: I actually don't know what all. Okay, we have and gladiators.
Speaker 4: We have a fucking left out of left field guild.
Speaker 5: Guess is a perfect description. I listen.
Speaker 1: I first, hot, fucking hot. I first was introduced to
Speaker 1: his fond ass and amazing work on All My Children,
Speaker 1: because he did a little stint on All My Children, y'all.
Speaker 3: He did a great act.
Speaker 1: Yes he's a crazed shepherd. But let me rattle off
Speaker 1: a few of his credits. A Shark, an amazing TV show,
Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy, Unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt, House of Cards, was Connor
Speaker 1: Ellis on House of Cards, mad Man, he was on
Speaker 1: mad Men, Gossip Girl.
Speaker 4: God Gossip, These dudes that has just been on everything
Speaker 4: and Katie.
Speaker 1: He was in a show called American Dreams with Tom Verica.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yes, yes, yes, he's a.
Speaker 4: Dream boat and he's a fucking talent and he is
Speaker 4: not a scandal like. Sadly for us, he was not
Speaker 4: like a major recurring And I don't know why. Gierma
Speaker 4: was like we got to get this guy on this episode.
Speaker 3: And I'm a fan that you did that.
Speaker 4: We started doing this more just like the rock star
Speaker 4: guest stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well his work is so good in this episode.
Speaker 1: He's so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: His name his name is even hot? Yeah, like his
Speaker 4: name is even hot? Is yes today? For all you
Speaker 4: freaking awesome gladiators? Is the one, the one, the only same?
Speaker 5: Sam Page? What's up to?
Speaker 7: Sam Page?
Speaker 3: Sam Paige? What what a site for? Sorry?
Speaker 1: He's fucking younger right now than you did twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago when we did this damn show?
Speaker 5: What the hell is happening?
Speaker 4: This dream boat who looks the way he does and
Speaker 4: can act the way he does, and is Benjamin Button?
Speaker 3: Because you look younger than you do? What? What are
Speaker 3: you doing? What do you do?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 3: What's the secret?
Speaker 6: I think since I since the episode when we all
Speaker 6: work together, I've had four kids, you.
Speaker 1: Should look old as fuck, like ay drained?
Speaker 6: No, But I've been eating their food mostly. I just
Speaker 6: subsists off of whatever is left on their plate. So
Speaker 6: I think maybe kid's food keeps you young.
Speaker 4: That's so, it's because you're running around. It's because you're
Speaker 4: absolutely running around, like a top.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: But Sam, I'm so happy for you because if it is,
Speaker 4: if it is what's making you look the way you
Speaker 4: do and act the way you do, then maybe have.
Speaker 5: A couple more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like just keep you had sort of been on
Speaker 4: the Shondaaland and you had been in the Shondaland space
Speaker 4: before Scandal, like you had been on Grays or I'd been.
Speaker 6: I'd never been on Grades. I had auditioned a bunch,
Speaker 6: so I mean maybe they had watched enough footage of
Speaker 6: me to cobble together a couple episodes, But then you
Speaker 6: put it.
Speaker 3: Have you not been on Grazing out of Me?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 6: I just finished I just did the last four episodes
Speaker 6: this season.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, wow Sam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I when I saw your stuff, it
Speaker 1: said twenty twenty three, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: he was just on Grays like.
Speaker 5: You did a little arc there right?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wait? Sam?
Speaker 1: Did you did you audition for Scandal? How did you
Speaker 1: book Scandal?
Speaker 6: Doing a couple you know, notable things and they locked
Speaker 6: me in for that one?
Speaker 5: You did House of Cards too?
Speaker 6: House of Cards?
Speaker 5: That's two great?
Speaker 4: How did you become an actor? Tell us your origin story?
Speaker 4: How did this become a thing.
Speaker 6: Well, I was in I played baseball in college and
Speaker 6: we didn't really have a film study class.
Speaker 3: There was kind of a where did you go to college?
Speaker 7: Dowent to Princeton.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, get here, go away.
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to have all of these things.
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait are you okay?
Speaker 4: Was like, what is I was just I dropped as butt.
Speaker 1: Drop one of my notes because I got so excited
Speaker 1: because I I know, Sam, I want you to tell
Speaker 1: our listeners about He earned a BA in ecology and
Speaker 1: evolutionary biology and he is theater.
Speaker 5: This is such a fun little thing. Tell me if
Speaker 5: this is true.
Speaker 1: He for his senior thesis, he wrote about the mating
Speaker 1: habits of a female mosquitofish and it was published in
Speaker 1: a science journal.
Speaker 7: Right, Sam, that's true.
Speaker 3: Sam Paige, I don't. So why did you become an
Speaker 3: actor when you could do all these other things?
Speaker 6: That was so I chose by I kind of knew
Speaker 6: that I wanted to do acting. Like freshman year, I
Speaker 6: wasn't loving school. I was sick.
Speaker 2: I grew up in Milwaukee. I was like a public
Speaker 2: school kid.
Speaker 6: I got I went to Princeton to play baseball and
Speaker 6: just kind of figure out, and then I kind of
Speaker 6: was homesick and felt really out of place. It seemed
Speaker 6: to me like everybody knew each other when they got
Speaker 6: there and had already.
Speaker 2: Like so many kids also at a school like that
Speaker 2: went to like prep school and had like.
Speaker 7: A year of course.
Speaker 6: So I was like, so I thought about transferring, and
Speaker 6: you thought, you know, I'd really like to transfer to
Speaker 6: like a film school.
Speaker 7: That would be it.
Speaker 6: And then and then, you know, I thought about it, and
Speaker 6: I said, you know what, No, if I leave here,
Speaker 6: I'm always going to wonder what would happen if I
Speaker 6: had just gutted it out, and it wouldn't be just
Speaker 6: knowing myself.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't be a good feeling, I thought. And I
Speaker 2: could do film school as graduate work.
Speaker 4: So what happens when you call your family and say,
Speaker 4: record scratch right, I want to be an actor?
Speaker 6: A well, I so I didn't just call up and say, hey,
Speaker 6: thanks for the you know, insanely expensive education.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to go be an actor. I said, okay.
Speaker 6: You know, I looked at what I achieved in college
Speaker 6: and graduating, getting okay grades, getting a published a thesis,
Speaker 6: and doing that all that. I never actually at the
Speaker 6: onset or at the outset, thought oh I can do this.
Speaker 6: I thought, oh my god, I'll do this for like
Speaker 6: a year and.
Speaker 2: Then I'll transfer somewhere where I can actually.
Speaker 6: Graduate and had some success and thought, okay, I did
Speaker 6: that without.
Speaker 2: Any real passion, any real like direction, just like to.
Speaker 6: Get the work done. Now, I kind of have no
Speaker 6: idea what my own limitations are. I have to the
Speaker 6: only way to get the value out of what my
Speaker 6: parents have given me in this education is to apply
Speaker 6: that to a dream, like, really think big, and what
Speaker 6: do I want to do most? What do I want
Speaker 6: to do where if I had to work under hard
Speaker 6: conditions for the rest of my life and not really
Speaker 6: be allowed to higher Like what would that be that
Speaker 6: I could still enjoy that that I would want to
Speaker 6: work with my to help raise a family. And just
Speaker 6: really if i'd grind, what would I grind and enjoy doing?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: And acting was kind of a no brainer. It was
Speaker 2: I always kind of wanted to I have.
Speaker 3: That too, God damn it. It's like it's oh God,
Speaker 3: it's like I can't do it anything.
Speaker 6: So I was always really excited. I couldn't wait to
Speaker 6: get into classes and tried a bunch of different ones
Speaker 6: and really really loved it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's always something I look forward to the
Speaker 2: most every week, and I've actually liked to get be
Speaker 2: in classes whenever.
Speaker 5: Katie does that too.
Speaker 3: I'm in class right now.
Speaker 6: It's great.
Speaker 7: It's great. It's like going to the gymney.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I need to go.
Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 4: We're talking about episode two fifteen, which was called Boom
Speaker 4: Goes the Dynamite, which aired on February twenty first into
Speaker 4: the thirteen.
Speaker 3: It was written by Jenna Bans and it.
Speaker 1: Was directed by Randy Zisk Do you remember Randy zisk Oh?
Speaker 3: I remember him?
Speaker 4: I do, but I don't really have I don't have
Speaker 4: like moments of him from this episode, but I remember loving.
Speaker 3: Working with him.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The guest stars were Scott Foley as Jake Ballard, Kurt
Speaker 4: Fuller is Great in Osborne, the CIA director, ma Jana
Speaker 4: Tova as Molly Ackerman, Jay Renee Penya as Louise the
Speaker 4: President Secretary.
Speaker 3: Joe Holt is the Secretary of Defend.
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent is the National Security Advisor, Jay Jackson as
Speaker 1: the news anchor, Erica Schaeffer as TV anchor Eric maybe is.
Speaker 5: Who we love.
Speaker 7: I love Eric Maybe He's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Senator Peter Caldwell and Sam Page as Congressman
Speaker 1: Will Calledwell and Lisa Sheridan as Marion Calledwell.
Speaker 4: And then real quick in Scandal Pace, we're going to
Speaker 4: read what happens so our listeners can maybe jog their memory.
Speaker 4: David turns to Popa associates what he thinks he's being followed,
Speaker 4: and his things deepen with Jake Ballard that he's surprisingly
Speaker 4: close to fits awkward.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile fits his face with a delicate hostage situation is
Speaker 1: he's unsure who he can trust.
Speaker 4: Olivia and the OPA team become high powered matchmakers for
Speaker 4: Peter Caldwell, an up and coming politician who is secretly
Speaker 4: in love with his brother's wife.
Speaker 3: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Cyrus tries to find ways to make it back into
Speaker 1: fits as Good grace As, while Melly thwarts his every attempt.
Speaker 1: But Cyrus has the last laugh when he flips the
Speaker 1: tables by tricking Melly into openly talking about the President's
Speaker 1: business or porter.
Speaker 2: As.
Speaker 4: Just as Fitz picks up on a potential flirt Mance,
Speaker 4: I love the race word, Let's say it again? And
Speaker 4: Justice Fitz picks up on a potential flirt maance that
Speaker 4: Olivia is involved with, and we learn who the mole is.
Speaker 4: It's CIA director Osbourne, or at least we think it is. Okay, So, Sam,
Speaker 4: you did an audition for this part. You freaking nailed it.
Speaker 4: We It's one of these episodes where I love because
Speaker 4: it's sort of like case of the Week.
Speaker 3: We get back into the.
Speaker 4: Like boom boomp bump bom bomp bump bump bump bump
Speaker 4: bum bum bum, like we get back into the Stevie wonder.
Speaker 4: Let's have the all the people at OPA work on
Speaker 4: this case, and Olivia has been hired to help you
Speaker 4: win the race for governor, and no one you're so
Speaker 4: lined up to win it, except no one can believe
Speaker 4: that your dream boat face has been single for ten years,
Speaker 4: so everyone just assumes your gang.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't go out, I don't date, I don't
Speaker 6: see anybody's.
Speaker 1: Guess because you're getting it close to home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we have.
Speaker 4: This amazing like like this parallel show where you know, Carrie.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite scenes in the episode is that
Speaker 4: Olivia has a big speech.
Speaker 3: To you your daughter where she's.
Speaker 4: In the garden where She's like, like, don't do this,
Speaker 4: Like I've been the side piece for a million years
Speaker 4: and the one that missed all the Christmases and misses
Speaker 4: getting to have like a public love. Because she's obviously
Speaker 4: talking about her own situation with Fitz. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 4: the thing that puts you over the edge to say, like, fine,
Speaker 4: set me up with a with a political marriage gay Sam.
Speaker 1: Had you worked with Eric maybeas before Eric? Maybeas plays
Speaker 1: a senior?
Speaker 6: I met him, i'd met him before I have different auditions.
Speaker 6: We were kind of always in the same waiting room,
Speaker 6: and we see each other around all the time, especially
Speaker 6: when I'm up and when I love in Vancouver shooting,
Speaker 6: because he's always up there.
Speaker 5: No way, he's so wonderful.
Speaker 6: Then he's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah's you made a great pair of brothers, truly, Like
Speaker 4: it was really, really wonderful. Oh, I'm so glad that
Speaker 4: your memory of working on Scandal was the location.
Speaker 7: Remember do you.
Speaker 1: Remember Katie and I?
Speaker 7: You do?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which one did you like better? Which one did you
Speaker 1: like better? Me or Katie?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I liked you both.
Speaker 7: I think probably probably me.
Speaker 2: It was just better when both of you guys were
Speaker 2: This podcast.
Speaker 3: We took some ship this morning.
Speaker 5: You did no, no, no, we did it.
Speaker 6: We did it.
Speaker 3: Just like.
Speaker 4: But we didn't take any drugs. We didn't take any
Speaker 4: drugs or anything. Now it's weird. I watched this episode
Speaker 4: and I remember none of it, Like I don't know
Speaker 4: what that says about me, but like I don't like
Speaker 4: I I I vaguely remember, like, oh, this is the
Speaker 4: episode where Hawk smells really bad and we had a
Speaker 4: really good time shooting it and coming up with waves
Speaker 4: where we could walk by Hawk and be.
Speaker 5: Like my favorite.
Speaker 1: Like this episode is called Boom Goes the Dynamite and
Speaker 1: I renamed it stink stank stunk those scenes where you
Speaker 1: guys just repel and just like get sop.
Speaker 3: It remind you guys all listening.
Speaker 4: Hawk hasn't showered because in this episode he's trailing David
Speaker 4: Rosen because David Rosen feels like he's being watched and
Speaker 4: could get murdered. But it starts raining in DC and
Speaker 4: the rain brings up all this PTSD for Hawk from
Speaker 4: when he waterboarded, and Quinn has a really lovely scene.
Speaker 4: Actually I think I would have acted it better now,
Speaker 4: But I do have a lovely scene where I go
Speaker 4: to Hawk at the end and I say, like, huck,
Speaker 4: I've been like reading up on it and it says
Speaker 4: like you know, when you've been tortured, like with water,
Speaker 4: even the rain could make you feel, you know, weird,
Speaker 4: which is why he's not showering and why he smells
Speaker 4: like absolute body odor fart smell.
Speaker 6: Did you do anything to bring a scent in, like
Speaker 6: to like heavy clone on so they could at least
Speaker 6: add something to work off of.
Speaker 1: That is such a great question. I wish I would
Speaker 1: have thought of that, But no, I didn't. I wish
Speaker 1: I would have just been like, I'm not showering this
Speaker 1: whole fucking week.
Speaker 4: No, I'm glad you weren't method enough to do that
Speaker 4: stupid shit. No, but I like Sam's idea. It would
Speaker 4: have been hilarious if on one of the days you
Speaker 4: just did something like whether it was like a lot
Speaker 4: of after shave or like cologne.
Speaker 7: Gone like full cab driver, it would have.
Speaker 3: Been a really funny joke.
Speaker 4: You missed out lost opportunity, man, But it's really funny,
Speaker 4: and you have a just to wrap that up. That
Speaker 4: scene like Gemo has such a lovely You look at
Speaker 4: Quinn and you're like I've lived in the subway, I've
Speaker 4: lived in a hole, I've done one million things. Me
Speaker 4: having an anxiety attack moment, It'll be fine and after
Speaker 4: the rain stops, I'll shower and I'll.
Speaker 5: Be fine, right, yeah, and I won't stink no more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking about we were guarding. They all
Speaker 4: there's one sex scene in the episode. Oh, we should
Speaker 4: have that. See on Scandal, we always have the like
Speaker 4: death toll number of how many people have died, but
Speaker 4: we should really have the like the We have to
Speaker 4: come up with something. What it's called, Yeah, like the
Speaker 4: fuck button or something. I don't know, but Darby, Abby
Speaker 4: and and.
Speaker 3: David Rosen have sex on the desk and it's cute.
Speaker 3: They're always cute. They're so cute.
Speaker 1: Had you worked with Lisa Sheridan before Sam?
Speaker 5: She played she played, uh this your your sister in law?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you never, I've never worked with before.
Speaker 5: She was great too. You guys had great com really good.
Speaker 1: And you had to shoot it after lunch, After lunch,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest nightmare.
Speaker 3: Did you eat?
Speaker 5: Do you remember what you had for lunch? What was
Speaker 5: the lunch?
Speaker 7: I'm sure I had the chicken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did.
Speaker 4: Why do you say it like that? Why are you
Speaker 4: sure you had chicken? Because you just needed some protein
Speaker 4: to get through it.
Speaker 7: It's just you know, lunches, cater.
Speaker 4: It's like, there's a chicken, there's a fish, there's a possum.
Speaker 7: What's for chicken today?
Speaker 3: What's your favorite food? Sam?
Speaker 5: We love food.
Speaker 2: My favorite food. I love a shrink cocktail.
Speaker 7: I love shrink.
Speaker 3: I know, were you nervous to work with Carrie?
Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely, and then and then up until they said action,
Speaker 6: I was increasingly nervous because I saw just.
Speaker 2: In the rehearsals, like.
Speaker 6: The megawattage that comes off of her, and on top
Speaker 6: of that, how talented she is and how hard she
Speaker 6: works and how hard her job is. And when she's
Speaker 6: when she's firing on all those cylinders, when it's game.
Speaker 7: Time, it's sucked up.
Speaker 2: It's intense.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: She's wildly impressive. Also the most beautiful looking creature.
Speaker 3: It's distracting.
Speaker 4: It's like I can't even sometimes I like when I'm we're,
Speaker 4: you know, just hanging out as regular friends, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa?
Speaker 4: Like this is insane, Like you look different than regular people.
Speaker 4: You're like she you know, I think when the Great
Speaker 4: Reset happens and all the aliens make themselves known, she
Speaker 4: will be one of them. She just is too smart,
Speaker 4: too pretty. I'm like, you are operating on.
Speaker 1: A whole other sh She's really good about going incognito though,
Speaker 1: because I bumped into her at Whole Foods like five
Speaker 1: years ago and she was like hi, And I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: who is this little nerd girl talking about like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, Carrie, Yeah, she looked like
Speaker 1: a little nerd.
Speaker 7: Watching this watching this episode.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how young she looked.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was exactly like you said.
Speaker 4: That dress claps all around for Lynn Powelo, because she
Speaker 4: wears this dress in this episode. That's this white dress
Speaker 4: that has these like black kind of cut out triangles
Speaker 4: of these sequence right pointing like arrows to the boobies
Speaker 4: and she looks inaty.
Speaker 1: Do you know who the designer is? It's it's Escotta.
Speaker 1: Escotta is is It's an Escotta gown?
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: I just like there's something about I'm doing this podcasts
Speaker 4: with him. He just he does a lot of research
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, he really does, and it's so it's
Speaker 4: so admirable. He spends time like really because he cares
Speaker 4: and it brings me such joy that he knows who
Speaker 4: that designer is or he knows all your credits.
Speaker 3: He works so hard and I just don't do that.
Speaker 4: And I apologize to all the gladiators, but thank god,
Speaker 4: Ghirmo's the coache.
Speaker 1: Glynn is on the record for saying that she chose
Speaker 1: that dress because lives life. Her life and her loves
Speaker 1: are in turmoil in this episode, and that's why the
Speaker 1: dress is black and white, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's sort of you know, those two opposing colors,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so she thought about it.
Speaker 5: That's wow.
Speaker 6: Come on, I'm not surprised to hear that, because that
Speaker 6: was one of my big takeaways from working on the
Speaker 6: show and working with you guys, was how thoughtful everybody
Speaker 6: was there and how hard everybody's working to bring their
Speaker 6: best to the show. It was it was such an
Speaker 6: impressive environment.
Speaker 2: It was so cool to think, Oh, this is what
Speaker 2: it takes to have a hit show.
Speaker 6: And you know what's really cool is and I always
Speaker 6: tell people when they asked, what was it like when
Speaker 6: you're on Scandal? I said, you know what was really
Speaker 6: cool is I got there like maybe a week or
Speaker 6: two after the show had like happened, like it had
Speaker 6: been on the air for a year, but maybe like
Speaker 6: right before I got there, it was like, oh, this
Speaker 6: show is a hit and it had been on the air,
Speaker 6: but now like it had like clicked and the moment
Speaker 6: was there and the ship like I remember being around
Speaker 6: you guys, and you guys are all.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we're on a hit show.
Speaker 7: Now this is this feels good? Like God, I love it.
Speaker 4: It was it was you're right because this is episode
Speaker 4: this is episode number to fifteen, so this is like
Speaker 4: you're exactly right.
Speaker 3: This is exactly when it sort.
Speaker 7: Of like it landed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hit, it had it had hit. Now, wait,
Speaker 3: were we better of a cast than mad Men?
Speaker 5: Yes, we'll be right back. Guys.
Speaker 3: Were you at our table read for this episode?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: You were?
Speaker 7: And I think I was.
Speaker 6: I met Shonda at the table read and.
Speaker 2: Didn't know it was Shonda because I was.
Speaker 6: My head was spinning and I knew I knew Verica
Speaker 6: because we had worked together.
Speaker 7: I was so excited.
Speaker 6: I was looking for Tom and I and I think
Speaker 6: I saw him, and then Shanda came up to introduce
Speaker 6: herself and I was like Hi, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: But she didn't say Hi, I'm Shonda.
Speaker 7: She said hi Sam, welcome and no should she is.
Speaker 2: I said that, but I was.
Speaker 7: Like, oh, hi, a, it's nice to meet things.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't as probably gracious as I would otherwise.
Speaker 7: And then I.
Speaker 2: Think later on at at in that same table read,
Speaker 2: I realized, oh no, I.
Speaker 7: Really Shonda rhymes that's Shonda, and.
Speaker 3: Then I should have kissed the rain didn't and.
Speaker 6: I never worked for her until until uh grace came.
Speaker 7: Probably why.
Speaker 1: That's probably why I don't want to see his face
Speaker 1: ever again.
Speaker 3: Missed opportunity. No, that's not why.
Speaker 7: Yes, that was I was at the table reading.
Speaker 4: It was okay, well we have to I know, we
Speaker 4: only we don't want to take up too much of
Speaker 4: your time, but we have to read a few fun facts.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, which is, while talking with Jake, Fitz
Speaker 4: mentions the swim team and starts to take a drink
Speaker 4: with his left hand, and after a very brief reaction
Speaker 4: shot on Jake, the camera cuts back to Fitz drinking
Speaker 4: with his right.
Speaker 5: I didn't even notice it until I read it.
Speaker 4: And another fun fact. Olivia gives a similar lecture to
Speaker 4: will Caldwell that she gave to Anna Gordon in the
Speaker 4: second episode of season two, The Other Woman.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true. I kind of remember that.
Speaker 7: G D you.
Speaker 5: I figured out a fun fact too.
Speaker 1: I remember shooting this episode and the scenes where they're
Speaker 1: vetting fake wives for your character Sam. There's a scene
Speaker 1: with a teacher on a playground and there are these
Speaker 1: these kids playing, and Verica's son is in that playground scene,
Speaker 1: and I remember.
Speaker 4: Remember that he's you know, he's like he's a teenager now,
Speaker 4: like he's like almost six feet or whatever. And they
Speaker 4: live in London because runs all of Bridgerton and Queen
Speaker 4: Charlotte and basically, yeah, he moved his whole family London.
Speaker 5: Yep. And the other fun fact is that lives gown
Speaker 5: is an Ascata. Sorry but we said that.
Speaker 7: I didn't get that. I'm not I'm not on Twitter,
Speaker 7: but I am on Instagram.
Speaker 4: We read some tweets at the time because at the
Speaker 4: time we were at I'm in viewing and tweeting every
Speaker 4: single episode. Yeah on Thursday nights. Let's see if anyone
Speaker 4: tweeted about you and your performances.
Speaker 1: Oh, somebody did, Yeah, they did.
Speaker 5: Someone did.
Speaker 3: Anom mom mood.
Speaker 4: Wow, Katie, get it together. I can't really see this
Speaker 4: anam mom mood. On February twenty second, tweeted, the Caldwell
Speaker 4: brothers are really hot multiple exclamation points hashtag candle and
Speaker 4: we agree with you and I'm let's.
Speaker 5: See, wrote Miss Royal Royally.
Speaker 1: On February twenty second, twenty thirteen, she tweeted, my baby
Speaker 1: Huck gotta take a bath hashtag scandal can't You're not wrong?
Speaker 4: All yes, and as mids Virtuous also tweeted what's wrong
Speaker 4: with Hank hashtag scandal yeah.
Speaker 5: And Chris Cooper Chris Cooper tweeted, so Fitz has old
Speaker 5: dude watching Olivia hashtag scandal she's talking about Jake yep,
Speaker 5: yeah he does, thank god.
Speaker 4: And then someone parked behind at Lynn with no E tweeted,
Speaker 4: look who I parked behind hashtag scannal And it's a
Speaker 4: picture of a Maryland license plate of a black, beautiful
Speaker 4: BMW whose license plate is fit.
Speaker 3: Wow. So you were right, Sam Page, our show was
Speaker 3: taking off if someone or maybe that's just their personal
Speaker 3: fucking nickname.
Speaker 5: This dude.
Speaker 1: Nelson Bronco tweeted, I want to be Olivia Pope when
Speaker 1: I grow up, don't y'all?
Speaker 4: Yes, C two Esque c C Kpers tweeted at Kuana
Speaker 4: Rights the Scandal team of actors slash producers have really
Speaker 4: done a fantastic job of engaging fans. They created a
Speaker 4: Community's so nice.
Speaker 6: When you guys were live tweeting. That was kind of
Speaker 6: the first time I'd ever been around anything like that.
Speaker 7: I mean that was when shows going to cast crazy.
Speaker 2: Started live tweeting, right, Yeah, I've tried that before. Man,
Speaker 2: that's exhausting. It feels like you're it feels like you're
Speaker 2: swinging at a pinata for an hour straight and they're
Speaker 2: hitting it.
Speaker 4: I used to go to bed on Thursday nights and
Speaker 4: my eyes were like cross eye, my brain, my thumbs
Speaker 4: were sore. I was like trying to have my brain
Speaker 4: firing on all cylinders. We would do it from set,
Speaker 4: if we were on set.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was we knew it was what was
Speaker 1: make what was engaging the fans, and it was like
Speaker 1: making the show even more and more popular. So we
Speaker 1: were like, we gotta fucking commit to this and do
Speaker 1: it like really well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, next up, we have episode two sixteen called Top
Speaker 4: of the Hour. I can't remember what the fuck that's
Speaker 4: about the way.
Speaker 3: We have a.
Speaker 4: Guest that just died of ninety three factors and a
Speaker 4: bleedout on Grey's anatomy. Who's as handsome and charming and
Speaker 4: talented of a baseball player as Sam Page?
Speaker 3: Or who's the father of form Holy?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 7: Also? Yeah and Poppy and who can you appreciate this? Who?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Two and a half weeks ago closed Carmities into with Minnesota.
Speaker 3: How are you doing it?
Speaker 2: I filmed a little movie, a little Christmas movie, and.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, who produced it?
Speaker 7: It was Mandy, Mandy Turpin.
Speaker 3: I love Mandy. She produced the Christmas movie.
Speaker 5: I shot there last year.
Speaker 3: Where did you stay?
Speaker 2: Where did you Sheridan?
Speaker 7: Across the street from Carmody's.
Speaker 3: Did you have a good time?
Speaker 2: Blast? It was so much fun that everybody was always
Speaker 2: because it.
Speaker 6: Was pretty much the same exact crew, because Mandy brought
Speaker 6: everybody back from from God.
Speaker 7: This woman Emily Moss and.
Speaker 2: Uh, she was great, your love interress Rachel Lee Cook.
Speaker 7: Such a boss. It was part of she developed it.
Speaker 7: It's part of her development deal with mar Visa from
Speaker 7: she from She's all that and let me tell you she.
Speaker 5: Is all that boss.
Speaker 7: Like so much fun.
Speaker 4: I loved Duluth, Minnesota so much. I thought it was
Speaker 4: so fun.
Speaker 3: Did you bring your kids? Did you go so it's
Speaker 3: just easier?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Hell yeah?
Speaker 7: And then did you go to.
Speaker 3: The Did you go to the speakeasy underneath the Japanese restaurant?
Speaker 7: No? How did I not know about that?
Speaker 4: Maybe it doesn't exist anymore. Underneath the Japanese the one
Speaker 4: Japanese restaurant on the main street, the one sushi restaurant,
Speaker 4: there's a speakeasy that's opened like certain amount of times
Speaker 4: that has like good cocktails for Duluth, but great beer.
Speaker 4: I mean, did you go down to like the industrial
Speaker 4: sort of district to all the breweries and ship that
Speaker 4: was great?
Speaker 6: There was a there's one really good restaurant right right
Speaker 6: there in the what was it called Canal Park?
Speaker 3: Canal Park.
Speaker 4: See, guys here giving up for Duluth, Minnesota, and you're
Speaker 4: from Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: That's not that far.
Speaker 7: I don't even know, six hour drive. My sister drove
Speaker 7: up while I was there.
Speaker 4: Sam Paige, we are so lucky that you came on
Speaker 4: the podcast. We are huge fans, and now I'm such
Speaker 4: a big personal fan.
Speaker 5: This was an unexpected delight. Yeah, this real light amazing.
Speaker 4: I think you might be our gateway drug for like
Speaker 4: every guest star we've ever had.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm the lucky one, guys, I'm the lucky one.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: This awesome.
Speaker 3: My god, thank you Sam.
Speaker 4: Beg Sam, Hey, you should just come on and co
Speaker 4: host every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Sam, Thank you so so much.
Speaker 3: Sam, You're the ship.
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