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Speaker 3: Welcome to off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: We're coming up on the holidays, and for a lot

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Speaker 2: Maybe you watch a hundred Hallmark movies for others.

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Speaker 3: Holidays invite anxiety, depression, all kinds of mental health stress.

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Speaker 2: And then of course there's the weather less daylight.

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Speaker 3: And who better to talk about this than a stand

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Speaker 3: this month on Dropout, and she has a knack for

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Speaker 3: finding comedy in existential despair. Welcome to Off the Cup,

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Speaker 3: Aparna Ninchurla.

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Speaker 1: So nice to me, Hi, so nice to meet you too.

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Speaker 3: We had a really weird one. We had a dinner

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Speaker 3: But I'm I'm really excited to have you here, like

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I've just been holding them more lightly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I have friends who

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Speaker 1: it's so not a linear journey. It's not like, oh,

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00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: I learned I was depressed and then I went to

438
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: therapy and now I'm no longer depressed. It's like such

439
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: a stops and starts, like you have a season that's great,

440
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: and then you followed by a season that you're like, oh,

441
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: we're back here again. Yeah. So I think it's interesting too,

442
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: where it's like where you're meeting people in your journeys,

443
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: because I've had times when I feel like much better

444
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: or like more functional, and then I'm like, is that it? Am?

445
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: I like out the other side and it's.

446
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, my cured.

447
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's no yeah, yeah, no, sorry, no, no nope.

448
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: What kind of anxiety do you you struggle with?

449
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: I it's well, I know we were briefly talking about

450
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: paramenopause before we got we started recording, but I would

451
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: say the nature of it has really changed since entering paramenopause.

452
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Like before, I would say my anxiety lived much more

453
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: in my brain and it would be like racing thoughts,

454
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: not being able to kind of think straight, you know,

455
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: just some physical symptoms like shaking or just like nerves

456
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: and like butterflies, and you know, maybe feeling really tired.

457
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: But now it's like so much more in my body,

458
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: like I you know, I started getting panic attacks, which

459
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: I've never had before. And I'm such a nervous flyer

460
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: now and that was never my thing. It would more

461
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: be about performing or letting people down. Yeah, it feels

462
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: like my anxiety is on its own, you know, Eat

463
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Prey love journey.

464
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

465
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: Similarly, I was always you know and anxious, like anxious overachieving.

466
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, I am I performing well for me? Am

467
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: I performing well for everyone else around me? And meeting expectations?

468
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: Can I am I beating expectations?

469
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Right?

470
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

471
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: But then I got like the catastrophizing totally took over

472
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: everything I did.

473
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: It was twenty four to.

474
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: Seven at my worst, the catastrophizing was twenty four seven.

475
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: It was around every corner.

476
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: It always ended in the death of my child or

477
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: someone close to me, Like it wash you know, I

478
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: mean that's paralyzing, and it gets you get so irrational

479
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: with thoughts like I'd look at a plane, is that

480
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: going to crash into my house right now, like definitely

481
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: not yeah, not.

482
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: But it's like once you get on that track, it's like.

483
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: You can't close the door. The door gets really hard

484
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: to close. And then it's a battle of I'm never

485
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: gonna be able to close the store? Do I run

486
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 3: through the door, do I walk through the door? Like

487
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: how am I gonna approach the inevitable? Yeahory catastrophic thought,

488
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: interestive thought. And that's been the hardest part for me.

489
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: But that only happened to me like in my forties.

490
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I feel like mine changed. And then you know,

491
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: the wildfires happened here earlier this year, and I think

492
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: that just like kicked my anxiety into overdrive where there

493
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: was like a whole you know time where people are

494
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: like is the air safe? You know, are we should

495
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: we even be here right now? And then for me

496
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: that like pivoted into suddenly being like, well and now

497
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: there were fires. Of course there's now gonna be an earthquake.

498
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: Like I it's like you're saying, it's like once the

499
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: door is open, you it's really hard to scale it back.

500
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was just for me what

501
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: helped was time. But when you're in it it's really hard.

502
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: You're really paralyzed frequently well.

503
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: And your body learns from the shock of that trauma

504
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: and it doesn't want to be surprised again.

505
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: So then this is me. Then my mind goes.

506
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: Into like I'm going to be prepared for every single

507
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: scenario that could possibly happen, Yes, which is exhausting and

508
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: also irrational.

509
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and impossible because you're always like, oh, I forgot

510
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: this other thing.

511
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yeah, And then you worry about not worrying enough,

512
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: like am I worrying enough to prevent the thing?

513
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: What have I not thought about or worried about?

514
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: Or then it becomes the worrying is actually what's keeping

515
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: me safe.

516
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: If I don't worry, the bad thing's going to happen.

517
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: If I do worry, I'm inoculating myself from it, which

518
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: is again exhausting and irrational.

519
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny because I have like a small

520
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: joke in my special that's just about how I like

521
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: spiral so often that sometimes mid spiral, I'll forget what

522
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm spiraling about. Have to do like a quick recap,

523
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, just to be like last time on spiral,

524
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: just to like catch my up on what I was.

525
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Missed last time.

526
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great. So because it's true.

527
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: It is true. When do you know you wanted to

528
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: do comedy? Was it before college? Was it after college?

529
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: It? I think the seeds were planted during high school.

530
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean even I guess to go back to your question,

531
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: because I don't think I answered it about when did

532
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: I first feel funny? I think I started just as

533
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: a kid being like realizing that like silly stuff or

534
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: laughing with people was kind of my favorite mode to

535
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: be in. And I started, you know, doing more creative things.

536
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I think as a kid, I would write stories and

537
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: I think I like to make them kind of sillier, funnier,

538
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of absurd. And then my mom was afraid that

539
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I was such a shy kid, so she put me

540
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: in public speaking classes when I was pretty young because

541
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: she was like, this is a you know, useful soft

542
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: skill that you should get early. And I remember one

543
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: of the first times I felt funny in front of

544
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: a crowd was I After taking these classes, I entered

545
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: a community through our temple, entered a community youth speech competition,

546
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: and I remember my speech was the only funny one

547
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: out of like everyone else wrote kind of a more

548
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: serious thing about you know, maybe bigotry or like a

549
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: more staid topic, and then I wrote about, you know,

550
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: I basically did a takedown of Bollywood movies because my

551
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: parents would make me watch them at home and I

552
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: was kind of resentful about it. So I kind of

553
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: just put all the pent up resentment into a speech

554
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: and I remember it went down really well and I

555
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: ended up winning. And I think that was maybe the

556
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: first time I was like, oh, okay, comedy is a

557
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a superpower in that it can really

558
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: like get people on your side in a way that

559
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced before.

560
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, were your parents approving of you wanting to

561
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: be a comedy writer or stand up comedian for a job?

562
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I think similar, I mean similar to me. I started

563
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: comedy pre YouTube. I think maybe MySpace was the big

564
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: platform when I started. So I don't think the accessibility

565
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: or the knowledge that like anyone can enter this field,

566
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: anyone can be an entertainment definitely, I did not know that.

567
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: I think I was like, you know, it's like the circus.

568
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Your dad was a comedian, you become a comedian, Like

569
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: it's not just something anyone off the street can do so.

570
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I in high school, I started you know,

571
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: maybe watching more SNL and Conan and some late night

572
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and I had friends who would give me comedy albums,

573
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: and I think that started to make me understand that, oh,

574
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: this is a world that you can kind of align

575
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: yourself to work toward. Like anything else, how do you

576
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: break in? Yeah, I started doing I mean I went

577
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: to college in Western Massachusetts, but then I moved back

578
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: to d C after college, and I just started doing

579
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: open mics. I mean I first went with a friend

580
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: who also was interested in doing it, and we both

581
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: tried it out. And I don't know, I'm really I mean,

582
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: oddly enough, I think during college I had sort of

583
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: like a crash with the depression. I had to take

584
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: time off, and that was when I first went on antidepressants.

585
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: And I really think that initial boost for antidepressants was

586
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: what kind of gave me the I don't know, the

587
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: permission to try something so wildly outside my comfort zone.

588
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean yeah, I might have to thank

589
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: prozac for my whole career.

590
00:31:53,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, was anyone helpful to you in getting your start

591
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: in comedy? I'm sure along the way lots of people

592
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: have been, but when you're just starting, was anyone there

593
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: too that you really remember being super helpful?

594
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean the very first open mic I ever went to,

595
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: a good friend came with me and so that felt

596
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: very safe or safer. So and she's still been, like,

597
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, one of my biggest supporters and has come

598
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: to my shows over the years, So she's definitely like

599
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: someone I would put up there. And then in terms

600
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: of just like in the comedy world, I think the

601
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: peers you come up with are you are kind of

602
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: all succeeding and failing together, So I think that they

603
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: are kind of your learning from them. They're learning from you,

604
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: they're your colleagues. But I think with art sometimes it

605
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: can feel deeper than that in a way, and some

606
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: of them become you know, your close friends, and so

607
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: that would also be like a core group I would

608
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I would say influence me. And then also just like

609
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: people you respect. Like one thing with comedy is like

610
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: as you're starting, you get the opportunity to open for

611
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: acts that are coming through town, and I got to

612
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: work with some of my heroes, and I think they

613
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they say never meet your heroes, but I

614
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: would say with comedy, people more often than not. They

615
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: are very lovely grounded people in my experience, and I

616
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: think just you know, like someone you look up to

617
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: or have only seen on like TV or listen to

618
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: their album, being like, oh hey, you're really funny, like

619
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, keep going like that makes all the difference

620
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: when you're new and young and still figuring it out.

621
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: Who's someone that did that for you that you really respected.

622
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Maria Bamford is a comedian that's like, I mean,

623
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: really open mental health. I think in a way that

624
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't think any other comedian has to the degree

625
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: that she does. And she's also maybe one of the

626
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: nicest people to walk this earth. So she really is

627
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: like one of those people where you're like, I feel

628
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: lucky that you exist, and that the fact that I

629
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: also know you and I've worked with you and like,

630
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're friendly like that, it sometimes feels inconceivable.

631
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, surreal, right yeah yeah. So a part of

632
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: my business is a mess. Cable news politics just a mess.

633
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: You know, we're we're contracting, nobody's watching us. We're also

634
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: being swallowed up by these like giant conglomerates, and so

635
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: like three tech pros run run news, which is really scary.

636
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 3: What's the state of your business? How is comedy doing

637
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: right now?

638
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say we're having our own upheaval

639
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: and turmoil. I think it's become more polarized in that.

640
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: I think there's you know, there's a side of comedy

641
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: now where it's like we're not allowed to say anything anymore,

642
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm just speaking my truth and it happens to

643
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: be throwing your group under the bus.

644
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: You know.

645
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: It's there's that end of things of just like I

646
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: want to be mean, and I want a safe space

647
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: to be mean, and then and then you know, the

648
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: other side of like why do we maybe have other

649
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: voices at the table and and have you know, some

650
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: new ways of looking at this art form that's still

651
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: a relatively young art form and has room to evolve.

652
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: So I think there is a bit of an identity

653
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: crisis in comedy as well. And I think to your

654
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Speaker 1: point about just the state of the media landscape, I

655
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: think the same thing even with like this stand up

656
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: special I have coming out, like it's coming out on

657
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: a newer platform called Dropout that that's basically by the

658
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: same people as College Humor, but they you know, decided

659
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: to create their own avenue for putting out stuff, and

660
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: they have a very loyal fan base. And but just

661
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: to the speak to the fact that there are so

662
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: many avenues now for putting out work, and some of

663
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: that is just comedians putting their specials on YouTube because

664
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: it's much harder to sell it to HBO or Netflix

665
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: or you know, Amazon. So I think people are a

666
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: little also directionless in terms of like what steps do

667
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: I take to move forward in my career other than

668
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: what everyone thinks they should be doing, which is putting

669
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: more reels on Instagram talks build and yeah, build an

670
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: internet audience.

671
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, very similar.

672
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I think a lot of overlap in terms of like

673
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: how we're all operating inside of these businesses.

674
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Because the extra real estate.

675
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: And the nonlinear paths to doing the job that's all

676
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: great accepts, you know, there's anxiety around it, and you

677
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: know you start asking, well, is this as good as this?

678
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: Is this as legitimate as this? And yes, I've been

679
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: doing it this way forever. Now I have to adapt

680
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: and am I too old for this?

681
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Yes? You know?

682
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: Or is this actually better for me?

683
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: And I need to kind of live leave the old

684
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: trappings and the old idea I have in my head

685
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: about how this should go, leave that behind and move

686
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: move forward. But like there's no no one coming in

687
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: with all the answers of how to do it, so

688
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 3: we're all on our own.

689
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean I joined substack maybe two years ago now

690
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: because I was like, maybe this is the place for me.

691
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say I've done a great job of

692
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: keeping up my substack, but I did see in my

693
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: late little substack news feed the other day that was

694
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: like Dolly Parton has now joined substack, and I was like, wow,

695
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: could could she have predicted that substack would be the next.

696
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: Move it is?

697
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: I joined too to future proof like yeah, of creating.

698
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: And I'm a writer first, and so it's a place

699
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: I can write things that I maybe can't.

700
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: Write my political columns or whatever.

701
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: But every time someone washes out of legacy media, right yeah,

702
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: like yeah, welcome.

703
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: To substack, Like, yeah, it's a place you can go.

704
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if it feels like a full replacement

705
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: of the old thing, but it definitely feels like.

706
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: An addendum or like a yes and add on.

707
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: You know. That's that's fun and great and different, And

708
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: I hope independent media grows.

709
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: I think that's good for everybody.

710
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just fascinating though, the way

711
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: what you're saying with like the tech bros of like yeah,

712
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, now we're all oriented in this direction

713
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: towards this one thing. But then it's like, you know,

714
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: when was Vine, I don't know, but it's like that

715
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: now it's just like a punchline or like a footnote

716
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: in cant. I remember when everyone was like trying to

717
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: blow up on Vine or like.

718
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: Quib was going to be the thing, you know, like

719
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: you were all meant to do this like five minute,

720
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: ten minutes. Yes, yeah, product content production. For us, it

721
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: was news and politics and that didn't work at all.

722
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: But like we're all trying to figure it out. And

723
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: you're right, some of these things were investing a lot

724
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: in right now, could be on the cutting room floor

725
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: of history in like a year.

726
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And not to say that that doesn't make them

727
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: valid in the moment, but I just think things move

728
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: so quickly now that it's hard to know what to

729
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: invest in because you're like so hard, could not exist

730
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: in a year.

731
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: It's so hard THERI odd comedy fest your thoughts.

732
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: I was not asked, so you didn't have to make

733
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: the more in the moral judgment that decision I think,

734
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean personally, I just don't think I would have

735
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do that. I don't know, like I I

736
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: think I I have a hard time wrapping my head

737
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: around unless you really needed the money, like being like, yeah,

738
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: this seems like a cool thing, I should sure.

739
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

740
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I guess if you're like, when else

741
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: would I go to Saudi Arabia? I would, you know

742
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I don't. I just have a

743
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: hard time putting myself in the mindset of like, yeah,

744
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: this seems fine, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna have any thoughts

745
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: about me doing this.

746
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was.

747
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: That.

748
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: I was mixed on that.

749
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I have certain lines that I won't cross.

750
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: There's money I won't take, for sure, Yes, that's probably one.

751
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm not taking Saudi money.

752
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but I also wondered, like, you know, for

753
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: someone to say, well, listen, we're we're going there to

754
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: show what we what what our sort of.

755
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: What our cultural value you are?

756
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I guess you could make that argument,

757
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: but like, do that from here?

758
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: Do that from here.

759
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, comedians hosting award shows. We just had

760
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: Nate BERGETSI do the Emmys. I've loved when Ricky Gervais

761
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: hosted the Golden Globes. Nikki Glazer just hosted the Golden Globes.

762
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: And of course you know we've had like Billy Crystal

763
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: and yeah, for years he was so great, Chris Rock,

764
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart. What makes a good award show host? What

765
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: makes a bad one?

766
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I I just think even if you're going to kind

767
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: of tank or because you know, I think there have

768
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: been some that have not gone over as well as others. Yes,

769
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: I think if you are if you as a comedian,

770
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: know what you're there to do, or like you have

771
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: a you know, if it's like I'm gonna maybe take

772
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: some shots at people in this room and and they

773
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: may or may not be on board with those shots,

774
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: like you gotta like then double down on that. You

775
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: can't then scale it back and be like, oh no,

776
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: you know, my I have bad writers or whatever it is.

777
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: You know, you have to like own it, you have

778
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: to own it. And but I mean my favorite is

779
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: just the silly, like where this is silly. We're all

780
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: here having a silly time in our like big floppy

781
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: hats or whatever it is, you know, like not not

782
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: too self serious, but also not trying to like be

783
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: really mean mean people because I'm like, you're already in

784
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: an industry where you get a lot of meanness. You

785
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: don't need it here.

786
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: You decide to make mental health a big part of

787
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: your your creative work and stand up your material. And

788
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: I feel like outs, like outside of academia, I feel

789
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: like comedy is the only place really you can talk

790
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: about your own mental health like all the time publicly,

791
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: and it works. I think a lot about Noah con

792
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: who's an artist. He's a musician who almost all of

793
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: his songs are about his mental health.

794
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: He might be an exception, but.

795
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: Like if you're just like if you're like the head

796
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: of sales at like a paper company, it'd be really

797
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: weird if you were, like, I'm going to lead with

798
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: my anxiety and like everything I do and say right.

799
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: But comedy, like you can decide I'm going to talk

800
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: about my mental health all the time. And it's why

801
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: comedians I think have done so much good for mental

802
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: health because it you know, maybe Selena Gomez can talk

803
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: about it like once or twice, and that's great, that's

804
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: impactful too.

805
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a comic.

806
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: Or a comedian can do it all the time with

807
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: the humor being self effacing, being super raw and honest,

808
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 3: and I just I think that's that's really unique to comedy.

809
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think as a comedian who is

810
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: really mining from my own life, my personal life, it

811
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: is a to kind of really get into the nooks

812
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: and crannies of what it is to be a human

813
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: in this world and kind of those moments in the

814
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: day where they aren't you know, these big news making moments,

815
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: Like I think comedy is really good at being like,

816
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: isn't it weird how we all have this thought in

817
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: the morning, you know, Just like I feel like it's

818
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: an art form that really revels in the smallness of

819
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: life that can end up feeling so big. So I

820
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think that does make it an

821
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: art form that's weirdly suited to kind of how the

822
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: minutia in our life ends up sometimes being the biggest

823
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: like messaging to our version of what our own reality is.

824
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how we feel connectivity to other people and

825
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: talking about those small moments much more than the news.

826
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the funny thing with comedy too, is like,

827
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of fall on your feet

828
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: where it's like when you're first trying stuff out in

829
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: front of an audience. You're always trying stuff out to

830
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: see if it works, and it's like sometimes you say

831
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: a thing of like we all do this right, an

832
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: audience is like no, we don't.

833
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh, and then you're like, oh, it catches me.

834
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay, great, great, noted, We'll not say that one out

835
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: loud again.

836
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: That's really funny. Yeah, I can just imagine that.

837
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you've done several projects around mental health. I

838
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: mentioned Blue Woman Group, which was great, and and Laughing

839
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: Matters too. How did how did those two things come about?

840
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: I think well, Jacqueline was, uh, you know, someone I

841
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: had admired and looked up to for a long time,

842
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and we started chatting and I think we're both bonded

843
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: about just depression, and she wrote like such a great

844
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: book about her own experience with depression, and so I

845
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: think we wanted to work together and had this link

846
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: that already like bonded us. So I think that made

847
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: us be like, okay, what can we how can we now? Monetize, Yes,

848
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: so how can we prop it off of this tram?

849
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: So I think that one was just, yeah, a little

850
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: project we kind of test drove together, and then I

851
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: think laughing matters. I think they reached out to me

852
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: and they were like, you know, we've we're familiar with

853
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: your work and think you would be a good addition

854
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: to this project.

855
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: Such a great idea. Uh do you outside of stand up?

856
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: What in popular culture do you think has handled mental

857
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: health really well? Like, like do you watch Shrinking or

858
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: like Fouria or Crazy Ex Girlfriend, Couple's Therapy? Like what

859
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: what do you think really handles this topic?

860
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I really enjoy Couple's Therapy. I actually started

861
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: watching on a plane.

862
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: But so addictive.

863
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: It's so addictive. But I'm always curious how they I mean,

864
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: I guess you get used to the cameras in the room,

865
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know. If I was in therapy,

866
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: I would be so but.

867
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: Let's talk about this because I love talking about couples therapy. Yeah,

868
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: and doctor Orna. We're trying to get doctor Orna on

869
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: the show because I just think she's trying to get

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Speaker 3: her on Magical What is it about Okay, I'll tell

871
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 3: you what it is about Couble's therapy for me, which

872
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: is really dark. It's an ugly side of me. But

873
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: this is what I love about it.

874
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: It's the justice.

875
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: It is the justice of having a third party in

876
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: the room, Dr Worry, Yes, be able to say very clearly,

877
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: which she wouldn't phrase it this way, but you know,

878
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: pointing out the way you're talking is terrible, or this

879
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: is your your problem, you are doing this, you are

880
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: making this situation worse. And she doesn't say it like that, right,

881
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: but the justice of like we've all been in an

882
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: argument with a significant other or someone and wished someone

883
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: was there to be like a no, no, no, no, you're

884
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: definitely crazy and she's right, or vice versa.

885
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: And it's just having that like that honest voice in.

886
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I know and also to see I mean not to generalize,

887
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: but to see that exact situation playing out and then

888
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: you see the let's be honest, usually the man, if

889
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: it's a head relationship, just double down and like refuse,

890
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: even with another person saying reaffirming and still being like no,

891
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: You're like, well, this is interesting, isn't it.

892
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: I love it, Like, yeah, are you thinking of Mal

893
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: because I always think of Maul. Yeah yeah, right, okay,

894
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah, and Mao did this to himself. Okay,

895
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: Mal asked for this, but like, yeah, and sometimes some

896
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: of these relationships are great and you like both people

897
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: and you really want them to work it out, and

898
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: sometimes you're just like I hope this ends and worse.

899
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know, I know, You're just like I don't.

900
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I mean, I get we've all

901
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: been a relationship where it's like, maybe this isn't the

902
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: best for me, but yeah, I know when you're seeing

903
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: them like in therapy, really hashing it out, you're like,

904
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: get out.

905
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to keep doing this to each other.

906
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sorry I interrupted you you like couples therapy,

907
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: anything else that you like that handles mental health.

908
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be honest. I feel like I

909
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: both don't watch as much comedy as I think people

910
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: think comedians watch, and I don't watch a bunch of

911
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: like a lot of mental health stuff because I think

912
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm I think it's the sort of thing you like,

913
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: you want to escape what you're living in. So agree,

914
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: so I'm watching I don't know what am I watching

915
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I guess I started Pluribus, which maybe there's a mental

916
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: health aspect to that, but otherwise maybe selling Sunset, which

917
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: is probably a travesty to mental health.

918
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I love reality television. I watch a lot

919
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: of Bravo because it is an escape. And like I

920
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: tried to watch Shrinking and it was actually very uncomfortable.

921
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 3: I didn't like the way they dealt with with mental

922
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: health and I couldn't.

923
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: Get outside of myself.

924
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's to that point, Like

925
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, people always say comfort TV. I think there's

926
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: been a whole movement in recent years of discomfort TV,

927
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: where almost the point is to make you a little uncomfortable,

928
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: and I think everyone has a different line of like yeah,

929
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: this is what that is uncomfortable for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good point.

931
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Because Nate, I don't know, if you've watched any of

932
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: Nathan Fielder's work, I think he really doulves into maybe

933
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: making you feel like, oh, I don't know if I

934
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: could watch this.

935
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

936
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to be I don't want to be uncomfortable.

937
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm uncomfortable ninety nine percent of my day in my

938
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: own skin. When I'm escaping into some kind of something creative,

939
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: I want to be super comfy, comfy and yeah.

940
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Are you a horror

941
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: movie person at all?

942
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not not. I don't get scared by

943
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: scary movies. I find them silly. Yes, mostly so I

944
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: get I'm very into like a good thriller, but it

945
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: has to be like a psychological.

946
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: Thriller, a random horror movie.

947
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: Like it's just silly to me, and it doesn't make

948
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: me anxious. It just I'm like, what this is done?

949
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm also very much thriller. Psychological thriller

950
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: is my cat nip. But I was just listening to

951
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: a podcast about like how a lot of anxious people

952
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: actually find horror movies kind of cathartic because it's like

953
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: a scary situation, but it's like you you know how

954
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: it plays out, or you're like and you know it's

955
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: not gonna happen to you because you don't believe in ghosts,

956
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: so they actually like are attracted to them.

957
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. Yes, that's not the thing for me.

958
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: The things I have.

959
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: To avoid are like.

960
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: Real world scenarios that involve harmon kids. Well, yeah, you know,

961
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: or like a real world scenario I could be in

962
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: that would that would be right, really really trauma traumatizing

963
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: if I couldn't be in it.

964
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not worried about this thing happening. I can

965
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: usually watch it.

966
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: But like that's why reality is just because it just

967
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: lives up here. It's so superficial, and you know, I

968
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: know I'm not going to be an idiot like some

969
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: of these people are. You know, I'm not going to

970
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: make these mistakes, so it doesn't like get to my

971
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: nervous system.

972
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, though I find it so strange now how it

973
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: kind of bleeds into you know, It's like you'll watch

974
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: this show, but then people will be like, oh yeah,

975
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: but on her social media she's actually not talking to

976
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: her anymore. And I'm like, wait, so which reality is

977
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: the reality? You know, like it's all so blurry now.

978
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't like that because like.

979
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't either keep it.

980
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 2: I don't the show outside of the show.

981
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: Outside of the show, Yes, deal with the things that

982
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 3: are happening on camera that I can see, and not

983
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 3: the blogger you met with off camera and the social

984
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: media fight you're in with someone else that I can't write.

985
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: It in yeah, exactly.

986
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: Talk about your new special, Hopeful Potato on Dropout.

987
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's my first hour lenth special. I wrote

988
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: a book about imposter syndrome about came out now two

989
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: years ago, and when I was working on that, I

990
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: took a break from stand up. It just was really

991
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: hard to I mean, you're writing, I think, a book

992
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: on your own mental health right now, and I don't

993
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: want to assume how it's going, but for me, it

994
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: was very destabilizing and hard, and it is. I know

995
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: you've written other books, but this was my first, and

996
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: I think it was just, yeah, difficult in a way

997
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: I could not have foreseen. And I took a break

998
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: from performing while I was doing that, and then this

999
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: special was sort of the culmination of like coming back

1000
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: to stand up and kind of naming the new place

1001
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I was in with like aging and relationship and just

1002
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: worldview and mental health. And yeah, I would say it's

1003
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of a little snapshot because I think the material

1004
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: kind of came together over maybe to two and a

1005
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: half years, So it's a little snapshot of where I was,

1006
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: where I've been, where I am now. Yeah.

1007
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 3: Great, Well, I hope everyone goes and checks it out

1008
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: before I let you go, I want to do a

1009
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: lightning round. What's the best thing to do in DC

1010
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: or the DMVO.

1011
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: I would say d C as a very and I

1012
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: guess I'm biased because I started to stand up there,

1013
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: but a very under the radar maybe performing arts scene.

1014
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a lot going on with

1015
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: theater and comedy and dance that I mean, it's it's

1016
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, available, but I think maybe not everyone is

1017
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: in touch with it. And so I would say thinks

1018
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: about it, Yeah, thinks about d C as DC as

1019
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: that kind of Yeah, So I would say, check out

1020
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: something in the performing arts realm. And then I also

1021
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: think there's like beautiful nature in DC that I mean

1022
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: people also don't maybe associate with just like trails and

1023
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: beautiful hikes and bikes and yeah, relief.

1024
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: It is especially northern Virginia and yes, yes, you know

1025
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 3: Arlington and Alexandria like so much, such such great towns

1026
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 3: for walking. I you know, I walked everywhere, and when

1027
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: my son was born, I take them in the stroller

1028
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: and just walk miles and miles like a lot of Potomac.

1029
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: Or that's true, it's underrated for that yes, anxiety or depression.

1030
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: You can only save one.

1031
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: Save one as in, keep it or toss it out.

1032
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: Are you keeping your anxiety or are you keeping depression?

1033
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I don't even know what the analogy is.

1034
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, are they like my children? I don't know.

1035
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean, maybe it's the time of year,

1036
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say I'm going to keep the depression

1037
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: get rid of the anxiety, Okay. I like And I

1038
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: think that might just be that my general mo O

1039
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: is that I kind of move slower in the world

1040
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: compared to other people, and I feel like depression is

1041
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: okay with you moving slower, and anxiety is kind of

1042
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: like hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. And I'm always

1043
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: it's like a horrible feeling. It's like the feeling you're

1044
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: late and I'm always late anyway.

1045
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: And and anxiety judges you and like demands like why

1046
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: aren't you working as hard?

1047
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 2: And depressions like let's stay in bed.

1048
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: It's fine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, h yeah yeah.

1049
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: What's the worst vacation you ever took?

1050
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: Oh, worst vacation I ever took? How would you answer that?

1051
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Because I'm like immediately blanking, well, one.

1052
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: That comes to mind for me. Uh, I was going

1053
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: to Alaska.

1054
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: This was my second time in Alaska, and I was

1055
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: bringing friends and we were going hunting and fishing, and okay,

1056
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: it requires a lot of you, right, You're out in

1057
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: the wilderness and fishing. And I got sick, like really

1058
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: really sick for like the whole trip, and I felt

1059
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: really responsible for everyone because like I had brought them

1060
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: and I couldn't do all the things that we were

1061
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: going to do together. And I literally spent like three

1062
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: days in bed. That was great. One vacation I went

1063
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: for my twenty fifth birthday.

1064
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: We went to Rome.

1065
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 3: My bags went to Osaka, though, and so for the

1066
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: entire trip, I'm like running around Rome.

1067
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: I have no money.

1068
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm totally poor, trying to buy like clothes off the street,

1069
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: like from like street clothes just to be there.

1070
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll piggyback off of that. This isn't really

1071
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: fair answered your question. But I once did and this

1072
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: isn't sort of half work half vacation. But I did

1073
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: a comedy like a comedy themed cruise or like a

1074
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: themed cruise that was like for comedy, and they lost

1075
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: my bag as soon as I got there. They couldn't

1076
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: find it, and yeah, so I had to wear like

1077
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: my clothes, which is not really my vibe. That's a

1078
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: category you would yeah, yeah, I was like, that's funny.

1079
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: I also did a themed cruise, a conservative themed cruise.

1080
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: I hated it.

1081
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: I hated that.

1082
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: God. I mean, my thing with cruises that I find

1083
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: difficult is you cannot leave.

1084
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trapped.

1085
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: You cannot leave.

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Speaker 2: You're trapped.

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Speaker 3: And in your case and in my case, I was

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Speaker 3: trapped with like fans who were there to you know,

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Speaker 3: be with me. Yeah, but on the job and like vacationing,

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Speaker 3: which is so Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And in fairness for mine there they were really lovely

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Speaker 1: fans and they wouldn't bother you. But something about you know,

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Speaker 1: being in line to get you know, oatmeal with like

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Speaker 1: five people who just saw you perform, it's to the

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Speaker 1: anxiety was rampant with you.

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Speaker 3: It was not for my anxiety. What's your favorite sitcom?

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Speaker 1: Oh, favorite sitcom? I would go with. This is a

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Speaker 1: kind of a maybe lesser known show. I hope more

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Speaker 1: people know it. But it's a British sitcom that some

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Speaker 1: friend turned me onto. Name called staff Let's Flats. It's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a tongue twister. Say it again, staf

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Speaker 1: lets flats. I think it's a choice that they wanted

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Speaker 1: the name.

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: Don't any word that you just said. What's the first

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: word you said.

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Staf st Ah, yes, correct, and that's the name of

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01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: the main character. And then let's because it's British.

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Speaker 3: So rents yes, okay, flats apartments ah.

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: Okay, stat the person is renting out apartments? Is the

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Speaker 2: name of the show?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly okay, And I mean, based on how

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: confusing that title is, that is basically the the tone

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01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: of the show. It's like a very goofy, absurd kind

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Speaker 1: of family workplace show about this very in common potent

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01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: realtor who's like Cypriot Greek and he works at this

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01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: realtor firm that his dad wants him to take over.

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Speaker 1: He's like so bad at it, and it's just such

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: a dumb, funny show that's like kind of unlike anything

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: else you've seen in common.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to check that out. I love British TV.

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Speaker 3: I love it British comedies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah me too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to check that out. Go out or

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Speaker 2: stay in?

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: H stay in? Yeah? I love to stay and I'm

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: pushing myself to go out more because I think I've

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: really let it swing too far the other way. And

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Speaker 1: I have to say, the big joy about going out

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01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: is the feeling of getting home. And if you're always in,

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Speaker 1: you don't get that high of getting home.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get The biggest rush I ever get is

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: in canceling plans. Yeah, that is such a high, but

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Speaker 3: that hot You start to tolerate that the more you

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: And yes, so you need you need to go out

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Speaker 2: in between all of.

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Speaker 3: The canceling of plants exactly exactly, or you're not canceling

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01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 3: of plants, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Or you're not getting the same rush dopamine hit from it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.

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Speaker 3: The last question we ask at the end of every podcast.

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: It's super important to me. It is my culture, it

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: is my spirituality. When is it iced coffee season?

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Speaker 1: I have to be fully honest. I listen to some

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Speaker 1: other episodes so I know what the right answer is.

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Speaker 1: But I also am aligned with that answer, which is

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Speaker 1: that any time of year is good for ice coffee.

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate your honesty that you're not pretending, but

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Speaker 3: I had agreed with you.

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Speaker 2: You believe that. Sincerely, I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean not just because I live in LA I

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Speaker 1: just think ice coffee is its own drink and it's

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Speaker 1: not seasonally specific. It's like whenever you want to Oh.

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Speaker 3: You're correct, and you know that, you know that, But

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just so glad. I always love meeting

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Speaker 3: another iced coffee.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone disagreed with that?

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh oh yeah yeah, and it's we'll get

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Speaker 3: lots of lots of answers like we why don't drink coffee?

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Speaker 2: Or I prefer tea?

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Speaker 3: Or well, ice coffee season is June through August when

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: the temperature is but x y z or whatever, and

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Speaker 3: those are all fine, but the wrong, the wrong, the wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, Okay, because I opened with honesty, I will continue

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: my honesty in that I have had to switch to

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: tea because of anxiety, like my body can't seem to

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Speaker 1: handle caffeine in the same.

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Speaker 2: Way I've had to switch to decaf.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's tragic, it's tragic.

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Speaker 2: A part of why do we internalize this switch so much?

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Speaker 3: Because I, as my producers know, because we have another

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: podcast called Talking Coffee, where I talked about I made

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01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: confession that I had to switch to TEACLF and it

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01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 3: would really bothered me.

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Speaker 2: Why are we so bothered by having to go decaf?

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Speaker 1: I think I just I don't know that. I feel

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: like there's so few, you know, comforts in this life

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01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: and the ritual of coffee and something about just easing

1180
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: you into the day or welcoming you into the day

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01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: when your brain maybe is not the most welcoming place.

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01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: Is just yeah, you want you need those things. You

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01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: need those things to keep going.

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Speaker 3: So how has it been switching to tea?

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: It's been fine. I've like, you know what, I throw

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: so much milk in there. It's like nobody knows what

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: the drink is by the end. But yeah, I've I've adjusted.

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Speaker 1: But it is like if I go to coffee shop,

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Speaker 1: I'll just get a hit off the smell at this

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: pace because it's the best smell. It's the best smell.

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Speaker 3: Aparna, thanks so much. This was such a great conversation.

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Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved every minde.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thanks for talking about mental health. You do

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Speaker 2: a real service.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Likewise, coming up next week on Off the Cup, I

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Speaker 3: talked to Broadway and West End star Marisa Wallace.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's on the feet crime screaming, like going crazy, and

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: I was like, well, guess when I knew.

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01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: That I had caught fire? I was like, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is where I'm supposed to be.

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