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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in your boy, Doug Gottlieb here. And this

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Speaker 1: should have been a podcast which previewed the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and Instead it's done. You're on Lockdown, you download the pod. Alright,

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Speaker 1: God lit give me something that I I don't love

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Speaker 1: these fictitious brackets because there's so much hoop that wasn't played,

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Speaker 1: and it's interesting. I think the outside world it's like, man,

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Speaker 1: the Cinderella's, even the final four. The insular world of

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Speaker 1: college basketball. All of that is true, but not having

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Speaker 1: or Saturday is awesome. I mean I I would contend

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Speaker 1: that Thursday and Friday, you know, like the the Thursday

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Speaker 1: And I I'm not. I'm I'm actually the last guy

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Speaker 1: These are this is a first for all of us.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not bitching and moaning and saying we should

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Speaker 1: have played hoop. I do think it was weird that

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no knowing fans, like let's not

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Speaker 1: they'd already traveled. I don't know. I guess you could

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Speaker 1: have just played the tournaments anyway. But regardless, what's done

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Speaker 1: just want to point out that, and I think many

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Speaker 1: you get sixteen games, get sixteen games, and on a

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Speaker 1: only get three times as many games. Everybody plays and

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Speaker 1: the games in many ways are all more competitive because

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Speaker 1: their conferences and sometimes will be uglier or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: You don't just get Kansas or Baylor playing. Get Kansas

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Speaker 1: and Baylor and Texas Tech and Texas UM. So this

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Speaker 1: is unforeseen, unprecedented and really weird. Now there are some

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Speaker 1: good things that come from it. Uh. Aaron Torre is

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you mine. I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 1: there's some sensitivity down't do. I think that plays into

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Speaker 1: saying what's actually going on. And when the stock market

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Speaker 1: is down the way it's down, remember all of your boosters,

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Speaker 1: these are millionaires. And as much as they're donating money

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Speaker 1: Good luck calling one of your major boosters. Say hey,

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Speaker 1: So with a a paucity of major college coaching changes,

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Speaker 1: start with the biggest name one, which is Rick Pettino's

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Speaker 1: He was his use to the three point line was

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Speaker 1: pay a ton of attention to getting into physical condition, right,

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Speaker 1: the same could be true for the coaching of Rick Pettino.

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Speaker 1: He was the first one in the eighties provoting Billy

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Speaker 1: I think he'll win at Iona. It's a great campus,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable and I can't believe he's coaching at IONA after

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Speaker 1: so I think the NFL always sucks the oxygen out

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Speaker 1: NFL very smartly decided to kind of continue business as

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Speaker 1: usual because there is nothing to talk about. And so listen,

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Speaker 1: if Tom Brady became a Tampa Bay Buck, it could

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Speaker 1: be on the day of you know, Game four the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals, and it would still be the thing that

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Speaker 1: we're all talking about. I don't disagree that college basketball

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Speaker 1: is kind of searching for its place, but I do

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Speaker 1: still think those storylines do always emerge, and even if

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Speaker 1: it is only for two three week period, like, it

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Speaker 1: is a relevant thing. I mean, John Morant went from

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Speaker 1: some dude that guys like you and I know too,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, like like like you know, and does

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Speaker 1: Obe Topping the kid from Dayton have that moment? Do?

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Speaker 1: Does you know? I don't. I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: those narratives would have been, but we find those every year.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree that it's unfortunately become a two or

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Speaker 1: three weeks sport for everybody except for a few die

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Speaker 1: hards and people that follow their each individual school. But

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Speaker 1: I do still think we will miss the tournament. I

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Speaker 1: think not having all this NFL news impacts it. But

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Speaker 1: we're going to miss the tournament, just just just to

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Speaker 1: give us something to do, especially in the time when

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Speaker 1: people have less to do than they ever have in

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Speaker 1: a long, long time. You know, you may have a

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Speaker 1: great point though about and this has kind of been

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Speaker 1: my argument about everyone thinks he's college players are what's exploited,

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Speaker 1: and I always like, I'm always like, look, the perfect

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Speaker 1: example of why they're not actually exploited is the fact

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Speaker 1: that none of them get a chance to promote themselves

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Speaker 1: here over the past couple of weeks. You know, we don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't become the household names that you become only

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Speaker 1: through the n c A tournament. Right there, there's there's

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Speaker 1: a fine line between exploitation and promotion, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's still along the line of promotion. I would just say,

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Speaker 1: really quick, I have been on board with you on

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Speaker 1: this all along. Basically, Um, there's no disrespect to a

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Speaker 1: kid of Kentucky. But they're gonna get twenty thousand people

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Speaker 1: in rupp Arena. Um, and there isn't a single player

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Speaker 1: on Kentucky this past season that someone has said, hey, honey,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get to Rupp Arena to see this pit. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's not to say that they don't have guys that

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Speaker 1: are going to the NBA. Doesn't mean to discredit what

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Speaker 1: the individuals on that team accomplished. But with all due

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Speaker 1: respect to Ashton Hagans, who's their starting point guard, who

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Speaker 1: might be a first round NBA draft pick. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: nobody's saying, honey, you know Ashton, or you know nobody

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Speaker 1: in Knoxville saying honey, Ashton Hagan's is rolling through town

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Speaker 1: this week. Let's get tickets for UT Kentucky. So I'm

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent on board with you on that. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think it's easy to argue about on social media.

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Speaker 1: I think the people like you and I that are

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Speaker 1: actually on these campuses that actually see how kind of,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, the sausage is made,

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Speaker 1: how the process and how the system works. I think

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Speaker 1: more people probably don't realize that, but I think guys

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Speaker 1: like you and I will continue to say that and

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Speaker 1: will end up being right, whether people want to listen

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Speaker 1: to us or not listen. You know my thing real quick,

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Speaker 1: I think it might be Obie Toppin because that dude,

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Speaker 1: I know he's a third year junior and he's twenty

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Speaker 1: one years old, but that dude was a star, and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards had his moments. James Wiseman, who even knows

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Speaker 1: where he is or what he's doing right now, Like

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Speaker 1: I really think, and I think if the if the

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Speaker 1: tournament had happened, I think Obie Toppin would have been

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Speaker 1: the number one pick because he would have been so

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Speaker 1: dominant without it. I think it does depend on the team,

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Speaker 1: and maybe somebody quote unquote plays it's safe by taking

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Speaker 1: the eighteen year old freshman over the year old third

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Speaker 1: year sophomore. I would not be surprised at all if

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Speaker 1: that kid ends up being the first overall pick. Really yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I mean, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a high level starter in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. I think he's a good player. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a stretch five. I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like him, I mean, like I know what I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get. I don't know. Like I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys saying rotation big, you know, whereas they they

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Speaker 1: take a shot at the Wiseman's. They take a shot

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Speaker 1: at some of the younger players because they have a

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Speaker 1: greater upside. Well, and that's what happens every single year.

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Speaker 1: I mean Steph Curry when he came out, was he

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Speaker 1: a point guard? Was he a shooting guard? Where do

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Speaker 1: you play him? Who does he defend? Due the two

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Speaker 1: time m v P. And I'm by no means saying

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Speaker 1: that Obi Toppin is going to evolve into um uh

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Speaker 1: uh m v P caliber player. I'm just saying is

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Speaker 1: that the longer you stay in school, the more they

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Speaker 1: pick apart your game. And we have now a pretty

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Speaker 1: good track record of if you're not uber uber uber elite,

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Speaker 1: whether it is James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Damee Lillard, whoever

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Speaker 1: it is, stay the extra year, get the seasoning. The

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Speaker 1: point that you always bring up, Doug, which I steal

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Speaker 1: from you all the time. Learn how to become a star,

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Speaker 1: Learn how to be a role player first, then learn

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Speaker 1: how to become a star as a sophomore junior. More

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Speaker 1: and more guys are having success with that route at

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Speaker 1: the NBA level. Yeah, I would agree with I would

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Speaker 1: agree with that. Okay, last thing, uh if you to

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Speaker 1: bet your salary on who would have won the n

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Speaker 1: c A tournament. Who would you put your money on?

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Speaker 1: So I'd probably say Gonzaga, And I feel terrible. Um,

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Speaker 1: I didn't buy Kansas because they couldn't shoot threes and

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Speaker 1: because the kid has a bouquet who they ran everything

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Speaker 1: through was a forty three fall shooter and at a

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Speaker 1: certain point somebody was just gonna start following him with

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Speaker 1: six minutes to go and send it him to the line.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were really good. I thought they were

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Speaker 1: deserving in the number one overall seed. I would have

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Speaker 1: probably without knowing what the bracket looks like, probably ended

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Speaker 1: up taking Gonzaga. Aaron, great stuff. Can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: you on the weekend on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: Dog appreciate the toime of man. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: three p m. Easter noon Pacific. All right, we'll have

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Speaker 1: more pods regarding the NBA, and obviously these jokes right

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Speaker 1: themselves with Kyrie Irving and Isolation. A right, Gary and

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Speaker 1: Katie and Isolation. See, they've already changed the culture of

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets. But you are bummed out that the

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Speaker 1: NBA is the only professional sport to have guys contract

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus, but they all thankfully appear to be fine.

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Speaker 1: They gotta be quarantined. I don't know what it means

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Speaker 1: for the playoffs. I think it could be awesome. Like,

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Speaker 1: has anybody thought of the idea? And this was the

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Speaker 1: same thing for college basketball? I mean, I guess you

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Speaker 1: couldn't do it because the time away in college basketball

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Speaker 1: and school will be over, which school basically has been canceled.

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Speaker 1: But has anybody thought about the possibility? This is just

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Speaker 1: a thought that um that the NBA should go to

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Speaker 1: more of a an AU model. Eric Garret Chott like,

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Speaker 1: this is what I mean. Pool play into a tournament field,

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Speaker 1: Like why not? Right, we have to play five to

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Speaker 1: ten games five to ten games before we get ready

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Speaker 1: for whatever the postseason is, and so the tournament doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be a one and done tournament. But you

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Speaker 1: do pool play against all of the teams that are

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Speaker 1: in your your division, right, so the travel cost last

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Speaker 1: whatever you get it going and the same things your

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Speaker 1: division do pool play, and then you put them all

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Speaker 1: into a field where everybody makes the playoffs for one year,

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Speaker 1: and the first round becomes you know, uh, three or

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Speaker 1: five game playoff. The second round becomes a five game playoffs.

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Speaker 1: At the run, I do know that the reason that

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Speaker 1: they like those elongated playoffs is because there's fewer upsets.

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Speaker 1: You want the best teams to be the best teams.

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Speaker 1: But these are some extenuating circumstances. All right, keep your

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Speaker 1: questions coming. We'll do some Q and A on our

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Speaker 1: next podcast, which we'll try and have dropped tomorrow. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I'm Doug gott Leave. This is all ball