1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes joined by Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson. Hopefully 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: everyone made it through Snowmageddon safely and intact. Before we 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: get started, I know you guys don't like to start 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: with this, but I'm told to start at the beginning 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: with our plea for more subscribers. See, we were tasked 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: with getting to five thousand. We blew by that. Now 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: they want us to get to seven thousand subscribers, So 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: please hit the subscribe button because you don't want aj 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: Prazinski to make fun of us, because it's emasculating. All right, gentlemen, First, 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Lance you told me you had to snowplow out your safe. Kyle, 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: do you have a snowblow or a plow? How did 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: you get through the tons of snow we got? 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: I was in the tractor. 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: You've have a blade on the back in the driveway 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: trying to stay off the sledding hill that goes up 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: above the house. We have a driveway that goes above 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: the house to make a little lean to field up there. 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: We left that one clean. Let the eye let the 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: snow kind of turn into ice. And a slick hill, 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: so that'll be lightning today, is the hope. But we 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: bladed down the driveway to the road, and I've got 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: to blade the driveway to the new home construction going 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: on here in a little bit. So and then it 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: was a light snow, so Elizabeth took our leaf blower 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: and she was the leaf blowing and shoveling off the 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: spot by a car. 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: So we had a few people over here sledding yesterday. 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: It was fun, nice and lann't you you have a 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: tractor and you you just took care of business, didn't you. 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you just move it to where you want to 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: and then go about your day. 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I of course had a little old man shovel, just 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: very aware of getting a heart attack because it's a 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: dangerous thing for a man in Yeah, I have a 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: sixteen year old who was trying to help, well pretending 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: to help, and then was like out doing snow angels 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: and not helping it all. All right, So the news, Yeah, 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm a bad parent because he turned out this way. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: He's a wise guy, don't know, I'm a bad parent. 41 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: The news from Cardinal World this week isn't really news. 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: You guys have been talking about it for a while, 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: but reports at Heim Ballooma is saying, hey, maybe we 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: don't have to trade Brendan Donovan. He's talking about maybe 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: a deal that just knocks his socks off. They would listen. 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: But maybe there's wisdom in keeping a guy like Brendan Donovan. 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I know you guys have been all for keeping Donovan. 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Why not? He hits, You can plug him in anywhere, 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: gold glove defense and a bit of leadership in the clubhouse. 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: So Lance, do you consider this good news or do 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: you just consider this what was going to happen anyway 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: because you need a guy like Donnie on the roster. 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you obviously need a guy. That's why 54 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: everyone sees the value an him. But I think this 55 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: is kind of the obvious trades where the three that 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: have been traded, and then when you say everyone's kind 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: of available, because you're not gonna sit here and say 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: nobody's untouchable because of what you're trying to build. So 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 4: if you could have thrown him in with one of 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: the other guys and maybe sweetened the deal or this 61 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: or there, got a package that really kind of turns 62 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: over your upper farm system and or your young everyday 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: players or maybe even a future as you can't turn 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: those down. With the guy that's I think he's twenty 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 4: eight going into twenty nine season, got two years left, 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: so the value is only going to kind of you know, 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 4: it kind of gets in that point where it could 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: go up at the trade deadline this year too, So 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: you don't do anything if you don't have to. But 70 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: if it was a spot that, hey, this team's gonna 71 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: give us this future ace this you know, future top 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: of the rotation arm or this and that that might 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: be you know, younger and it fits your time frame, 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: then you got to listen to it. But it doesn't 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: sound like anything like that's happened. And if that doesn't happen, 76 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: then it's the obvious choice of you put him with 77 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: the guys that are already there, the younger group. You know, 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: these guys are all going and they're early, you know, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 4: they're twenty two to twenty five years old, and you 80 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: get him a guy that can just be stable, you know, 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: hopefully in like the two hole with Mason Hitt and 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: lead off and then you can kind of fill in 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 4: behind them as this season goes on and see what 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: you got. And that puts you in a decent, decent 85 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: top of the lineup that can do some things. Play. 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: You know, you can play multiple positions, so you can 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: make a spot for people. So when you look at 88 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 4: it that way, it's like, hey, why trade him if 89 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: you're not getting anything? That's like no. 90 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Doubt or cal You've been saying this for a while, right, 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: if you have a guy who's usable, who if you 92 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: had to deal them trade deadline comes up, will still 93 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: hold his value. You think this is the proven thing 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: to do. 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely. 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: I mean I think I think I would love to 97 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: see them make Donovan an offer that would not get 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: socks off and keep him around. 99 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: Obviously I've been pretty vocal about that, but I. 100 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: Mean, I think the interesting thing that just kind of 101 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: came to mind here is we're thinking about Donnie's versatility 102 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: and and what the Cardinals are probably asking for him. 103 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: There's a chance that, in my mind, there might not 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: be that many teams that are set up to play 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: him all around the diamond and then also pay the 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 3: price that the Cardinals. 107 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: Are gonna want. 108 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: Now, maybe that sounds crazy, but you know, I feel 109 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: like there's a lot of teams that set themselves up 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: and say this is our shortstop, this is our second basement, 111 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: this is our outfield, how it's set up here, And 112 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: maybe adding a Donovan is kind of like adding a 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: utility player, whereas you're probably not going to give up 114 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: a frontline starter or something else for in their mind, 115 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: the utility player. Obviously we know as Donovan just being 116 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: the jugger out that he can go everywhere. I think 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: it's a benefit for a team like the Cardinals, and 118 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: could be a benefit for everybody. But if your team 119 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: is not set up that way, then you're probably not 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: looking to pay a premium for a guy that does that. 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: Maybe that's not why he's been moved, you know. Maybe 122 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: it's just a ridiculous theory that I just came up with, 123 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: but I do feel like if you have a player 124 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: that is a specific position, with the specific skill set. 125 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: It might be a little bit easier to move them. 126 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: But man, I just think with how this team set 127 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: up and what Donovan can do, you know, I think 128 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: he's somebody that you build around the utility and you 129 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: let him win his utility gold Glove every year. And 130 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: if you find a home and you find a couple 131 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: of players that you want to add and you know, 132 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: maybe he doesn't play second anymore because JJ's there, so 133 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: maybe it's third outfield, and then all of a sudden 134 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: Gorman takes off and now he's your third baseman. Then 135 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: you can move down to the outfield, and then maybe 136 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: it solves itself. But I just kind of wonder if 137 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: that might be inhibiting the value that the Cardinals are 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: getting back. 139 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: Although you know, I think if you have a need 140 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: at second base or even third, you get a guy 141 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: like Donovan who hits hits for average. I think he's 142 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: probably got some more power are tucked in there. Certainly 143 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: a great guy to have in the clubhouse. I thought 144 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: someone at this point would at least be offering, but 145 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: we don't really know. But it does bring another question 146 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: to bear, Like I think JJ Weatherholt is making the 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: team out of spring training. I think that's already been decided. 148 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: They're crossing their fingers that he gets a little traction there. 149 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: I think the best position for him is second base. 150 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: So where does that leave Donnie? How would you navigate 151 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: this lance? 152 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: I think we you navigated in this way if he 153 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: does what he needs to do in stream chaining, that 154 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: is in JJ then yeah, he put him at second 155 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: base and you let him do his thing, and then 156 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: that opens third base or left field, depending on your 157 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: pitching matchup, because I think Donnie's in the in the 158 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: game every day. If JJ breaks camp, he should be 159 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: in the game every day. So there's two left handed bats, 160 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: So okay, where can you get if there's a lefty 161 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: that day that's starting to gets you can you get 162 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: a right handed bat and left field or right handed 163 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: bat to play third, and then Donnie's in the other spot. 164 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: So that's the beauty of having Johnny on your team is, hey, 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: you're probably good to bat second, and you're going to 166 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: play second, third, or left one of every day. And 167 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: if JJ is available that day, he's playing second, So 168 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: you're at third or left depending on what you got 169 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: going on, and then you kind of build your roster around, hey, 170 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 4: here's what I know I'm going to have every day 171 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: when healthy, and then here are my maybe my plituton 172 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: spots in the d H or first base, third base, 173 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: and left field with what you got going on. So 174 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 4: I think that's kind of my mindset when you look 175 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: at it, especially if JJ's you're no doubt second basement 176 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: because if you break camp with that guy, he's got 177 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: to play every day. There's no need and no point 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: to sending him to the big leaguer and he's not 179 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: going to play every day. 180 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: So we all agree on Jim Jim question. 181 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: Jim, I've done this in the past, not as much 182 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: go ahead territory. 183 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: You're recognized, the day is recognized. 184 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: Kyle Gibson, Yeah, thank you. 185 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 3: You know, we've talked a few times about having too 186 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: many lefties and that does for the lineup or finding. 187 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: A right handed bat. 188 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: Is that more the actual lefties because obviously you put 189 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Donovan on the infield. When Burt listens out there, you've 190 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: got three lefties across the infield. You got new Bar 191 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: possibly Vic in the outfield. Right you're looking at five lefties. 192 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: Is that because in your guys's mind, the lefties are 193 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: so similar, all of them, and we don't necessarily have 194 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: one that stands out as a three four hitter. Maybe 195 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: a JJ is that guy? I don't know, or is 196 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: it just because of left handed because I kind of 197 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: feel like against a righty, don't you want to stack 198 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: some lefties here and again? And I get maybe against 199 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: the LEFTI you have an issue but just interested in lance, 200 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: like is it because you think they're all pretty similar 201 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: and that you know, kind of creates a little bit 202 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: of an issue. 203 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: So my my truthful, honest spinion, if the righty's on 204 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 4: the mount and Gordman's at third, Donnie's in left, JJ's 205 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 4: at second, Burley's at first, figure out what you want 206 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 4: to do in the d H spot large is in right. 207 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: I would get a right handed hitting center fielder that 208 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: can be in there in that day because I think 209 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 4: that you know that can go in, or right hitting 210 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: outfielder that can go in on a day that you 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: need to. So maybe Vic can have that day off 212 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: against a lefty, or if another guy needs a day 213 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: off against that lefty, you can give him a day 214 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: and you have some you know, some way to do 215 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: that where they can play left center. And that's my 216 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: thought process and your the all hope is, Hey, when 217 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 4: you have a tough lefty, then maybe you're your right 218 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: handed bat and the DH right field spot and is 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 4: is Walker, and then that can and that's a plus 220 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: for you too. So I would still get a right 221 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: handed hit if you can get Walker and another right 222 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: handed hitting bat in the outfield against your lefties that day, 223 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 4: with maybe Herrera playing as DH that day, AHAs or 224 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: hitting right, then you're in a good lineup against lefties 225 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 4: that day. And that's really not changing up a whole lot. 226 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: That's that would be my mindset going there. Most of 227 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 4: these lefties are every day guys barely every day, Donnie 228 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: every day, JJ every day, Nude every day. And I 229 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: want Gore to be every day. But he's going to 230 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: show me a little bit because I think he could 231 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: be every day. And they all take their walks, they 232 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: do their things a little differently. Gorge more power large 233 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: or large can take his walk down. He takes his walk, 234 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: does his things so and Bareley just barrows everything that 235 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: you throw out him. Doesn't matter which way you throw it. 236 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: You can throw it underhand, overhand, sideways, lefty, righty. He's 237 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: gonna throw. He's gonna take a swing on a put 238 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: barrel on it. So I'm not worried about him either. 239 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: So that's my thought. It's not platoons, to per say, 240 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: but having those abilities to do stuff when you need to. 241 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean, any manager likes the balance righty, lefty, righty, lefty. 242 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: That way, it's tougher to picture and that's I think 243 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: what they always go for. It doesn't always work out 244 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: that way. So I just want to make sure we're 245 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: all on the same page here. So Jj we think 246 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: will make the team at a spring training that second base? 247 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: What's that? 248 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,359 Speaker 4: That's those are your words? You think he's on the team. 249 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 4: You don't, No, Hey, I'm just selling that's with you 250 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 4: that we're going off your your says every day. So 251 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: JJ's on the team. 252 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Okay, let's say that I'm right because I usually am, 253 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: uh second base, right? I mean, is that word? Go ahead? Lance? 254 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: Second base? Because he can't play other positions, but you 255 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: want to nurture this guy, and that's his most comfortable position. 256 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: I think if you look at the roster, the way 257 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: it's set up, with the talent that it has, that 258 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: they need to really kind of get at bats, and 259 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: what he's supposed to be comfortable with, second is the 260 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: obvious choice because Donnie can go to left and gorgo's 261 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 4: at third. That's my initial thought right away. So I mean, 262 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: I think, Kyle, I think you're kind of seeing it 263 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 4: the same way. If we kind of what we've been 264 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 4: going on this so that would be the ideal spot 265 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: put him in place he's comfortable, but it also makes 266 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 4: everybody else play positions they're comfortable to comfortable position players 267 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: usually swinging bat. 268 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: Well, what did they come? 269 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I would agree. I mean I think see where 270 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: is comfortable? See where? 271 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 3: You know, maybe I feel like some young players need 272 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: the consistency of. 273 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: Where they're playing. 274 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: Other guys just want to play, you know, they just 275 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: want to be like I want to be on the field, 276 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: doesn't matter, you know, put me somewhere like so j C. 277 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: That's that guy. 278 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: You know, put me somewhere skip and I'm gonna go 279 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: play and I'm gonna go be a ballplayer because that's 280 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: what SAgs does, right. So you know, I don't know 281 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: JJ at all. Maybe maybe he does want a little 282 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: bit more you know, consistency here, and maybe that's good 283 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: for the team. 284 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 285 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: I I tend to think that man, if you can 286 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: move him around and you know, put him at third sometimes, 287 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: put him at second sometimes. Uh, maybe if he can 288 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: give Mason a day and play shortstop. 289 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe that's just not a. 290 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: Good idea, but that's where all I think he's going 291 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: to know the players and he's gonna be able to 292 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,119 Speaker 3: to put him in a chance a situation. 293 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 2: Excuse me to succeed. 294 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of JJ, MLB Pipeline has put out its 295 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: top one hundred prospects. The Cardinals have five in all. 296 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: You can see them all, Doyle, Rodriguez, Biaz Burna, with 297 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: JJ coming in at number five in all a major 298 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: league baseball. That's why I'm bullish on the guy. Plus, 299 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of clips, I've interviewed him. That's 300 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: all I can That's as deep as my assessment goes. 301 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: But leg that's good news, right that the Cardinals have 302 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: five guys on the top one hundred, and JJ the 303 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: guy who, let's face it, we're talking about likely or 304 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, being a big part of 305 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are this year. Number five in all 306 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: of baseball. That's a good sign, isn't it. 307 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 308 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: I think you're looking at they drafted well in the 309 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 4: first round the last two years, so that's a positive. 310 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: And then they're developing catchers when they get him in 311 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: the system. They've been in here for a couple of years, 312 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: so all in all, you're looking at all, right, the 313 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: system was in a good spot when him's taken over 314 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: and now he's added a bunch of arms and via 315 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: the trades, So we'll see where those arms pop in 316 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: to prospects, you know, rankings and stuff like this as 317 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: the year goes on. But on all the system wasn't 318 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: in a bad spot. And then now you've kind of 319 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: reloaded underneath them with arms and stuff like that, so 320 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 4: you know, it's going to be a good situation to 321 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: kind of see what you have in the big league level, 322 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: because the big league level isn't old, right, So a 323 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: couple of those guys, four or five guys got to 324 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: be your guys, and then you figure out how you're 325 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: going to kind of load in around them, whether it's 326 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: JJ coming in and being another guy, and then okay, 327 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: what can we do free agency here and there to 328 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: kind of put together the other little holes we might 329 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: have until the next group wave shows up. So they 330 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: put themselves in a situation where their prospects are are 331 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: coming and they're growing in the right way, which is positive. 332 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: And then the big league level, they've got guys that 333 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 4: can be very good big leaguers and then now they 334 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: just got to kind of take that step. So it's 335 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting year all the way. Around, to 336 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: be honest with you, with those prospects that they've got 337 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: and what they have at the big league level, because 338 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: they got to kind of weed themselves out and then 339 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: you got to see what you have. 340 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Kyle, this is what a build looks like, right, just 341 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: stockpile young talent. There's guys that the Cardinals are high 342 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: on that are not in MLB's top one hundred prospects, 343 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: So they have they're building depth down there. 344 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so you want to have you want 345 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: to have depth. If you're not able to go and 346 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: sign depth, you want to have depth in your system. Inevitably, 347 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: there's gonna be injuries and you know, at some point, 348 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: maybe they do move donn me in the middle of 349 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: the year, and then you need somebody to step in. 350 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think the more quality players 351 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: they can get, you can get them in in the 352 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: big leagues and you can get them learning the game 353 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: and around other quality players, and you know they can 354 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: you know, maybe they already are what Matt Carpenter would 355 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: say as a winning player. If they're not a winning 356 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: player and they're just a really good or a great player, 357 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: they can learn the culture and they can become a 358 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: winning player that makes other people around them better. Uh, 359 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's sharp mentally almost all the time. And 360 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: and it's just a player that makes everybody around them 361 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: h you know, elevates their game too. So yeah, you 362 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: want to stockpile good players and then ultimately get them 363 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: to the big leagues and let them play. 364 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, some people like the stockpile merch And if 365 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: you like Cardinal Territory, we got mar Okay, you can 366 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: get yourself a Cardinal Territory, a T shirt, a hat, 367 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: maybe a hoodie, all kinds of gear. It's quality merchandise 368 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: because they sent me some. It's very nice and it's 369 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: at a reasonable price. So if you like Cardinal Territory, 370 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: hit the subscribe button and also go to Cardinal Territory 371 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: shop dot com. Mugs, drinks, hoodies, t shirts, so little 372 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: travel bags. We got to get some of those. Go 373 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: to Cardinal Shop. 374 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: I gotta step in. I gotta step in. I think 375 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: we should apologize. Lance. 376 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if you got this text message, but 377 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: I did get a text message last week asking for 378 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: my hat size and shirt size for Cardinal Territory. And 379 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: then Thursday I was joining in blowing up the people 380 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: for not sending us gear. So if you didn't receive 381 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: a text, Lance, then you know you have that excuse. 382 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: I did get a text, So apologies to the foul 383 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: Territory people. They tried to get me some gear and 384 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: I just apparently ignored. So I just want to get 385 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: that out there. 386 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: You know, just did you get did you get the communicate? Lance? 387 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: I got it. I got a shirt. I got a 388 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: Cardinal's Territory shirt. I didn't get to talk about it. 389 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, Lance is part of foul Territory end up. 390 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are former Major leaguers. You have 391 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: more gear than you know what to do with. So 392 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: one of the things that happens every year in Major 393 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: League Baseball is that there's a new it thing. Okay, 394 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: like the sweeper a couple of years ago, which has 395 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: been around under different names over the years. Pitch shaping 396 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: was a new thing, which is legit, but they started 397 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: calling it some different torpedo bats. So the new thing, 398 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: and I heard it from some of the young pitchers 399 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: at at winter warm up, including Andre Polante, is the 400 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: kick change. So I don't know if you gentlemen have 401 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: ever toyed with a kick changes. I understand it. It's 402 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: a way to get different movement by putting one finger 403 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: off the ball. So lamps, have you know something about 404 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: the kick change, can you please explain it to us? 405 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 4: As far as I know. It's a way to kill 406 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 4: spin by taking a finger off the ball. Some people 407 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: bend it, some people do will you know, take it 408 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 4: off something like that. So it's a way to kill 409 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: to kill spin rate. But it's also a way to 410 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 4: make the right fingers clip the ball. So then it's 411 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: you know, the seam shift or whatever. If it's for 412 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 4: guys who can't quite get it to spin the way 413 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 4: they want to, or they have you know, too many 414 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 4: RPMs on their change up spin, so they're trying to 415 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: get to die more so, it's another way to throw 416 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 4: a version of a split without throwing a split and 417 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 4: risking I think arm injuries too, So there's a lot 418 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: of positives for it. The question is is you know, 419 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 4: is it one of those things where hitters are gonna 420 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 4: start seeing the fingers sticking in the air and knuckles 421 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: sticking in the air and doing things like that as 422 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 4: they you know, start seeing it. But you know, it's 423 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 4: not something I haven't seen before. It's just something that 424 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 4: people have talked about now all of a sudden. 425 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: Kind and your experience have have you ever heard of 426 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: something new that the kids at the cool table are 427 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: starting to do that seems new even though it's everything's 428 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: been around. 429 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 4: In baseball forever. 430 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: But do you recall ever trying something different that seemed 431 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: to be a trend? 432 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: I mean I tried. 433 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: I tried something that really wasn't a trend back in 434 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and got made fun of it by a 435 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: few veterans just in joking away doing the throwing sock 436 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: and the connection ball to kind of clean up my 437 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: arm path. But something that Vera Lander and a couple 438 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: other guys had done, you know, more notably, but really hadn't. 439 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: Caught on yet. 440 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: So I had to describe why I was carrying a 441 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: kickball and an o a mint to practice most days. 442 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: But that was it was just something a. 443 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: Little bit different, but obviously in that regard that changed 444 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: my career and probably saved me from having, you know, 445 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: a surgery that I thought I needed. 446 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: And then you know, Randy Sullivan at. 447 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: The Floor Baseball Armory turned me on to it and 448 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: man changed my career there. But the kick change to 449 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: me is something that you're finding a way to leverage 450 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: a specific finger on the baseball in a specific way, 451 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: and that is not a new thing, but maybe for 452 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: the changeup is a little bit. But there's always one 453 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: finger that the baseball comes off last for the most part, 454 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: and you want to get that finger in the right position. 455 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: You know. For me, it changed kind of how I 456 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: looked at certain pitches. 457 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two when I realized 458 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: that my pointer finger did a lot of the work 459 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: on my fastball, when I kind of thought it was 460 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: my middle finger, so I shifted my two sting around 461 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 3: to make sure my pointer finger was the one leveraging 462 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: the baseball at release. Same thing kind of with my 463 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: slider and my sweeper. When I realized that it came 464 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: off that finger last, you know, through egotronic video like 465 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: we just showed about the pick change, it kind of 466 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: changed how. 467 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: I looked at that pitch. 468 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: So, whether it's a curveball, change up, fastball, sinker cut, 469 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: or whatever it is, you've got a finger that is 470 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: most important in my mind and how it leverages the 471 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: seam and creates the spin and the movement. So you 472 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: see people with that finger up. Uh, you know, it 473 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: changes how those fingers, you know, kick the baseball and 474 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: kicks the spin to create the movement and the visual 475 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: to hit her that they're looking now. 476 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I didn't mention in our group text that I'm going 477 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: to bring this up because I forgot, but I did 478 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: put it on the group text. Did you see Pete 479 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: Alonzo giving you props? He was out on the Oriole Caravan. 480 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: And yeah he was. 481 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: He asked who was the toughest pitcher ever faced, and 482 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: he said Kyle Gibson. He was oer for seventeen career 483 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: against Kyle Gibson. But he called you the nibbler. 484 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't deny that. 485 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to stay out of the middle 486 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: of the plate quite a bit later on, especially later 487 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: on when I was eighty nine to ninety two and 488 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: not ninety ninety five. So yeah, the Nibbler. 489 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: I'm excited to, you know, maybe meet the polar Bear 490 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 3: at some point and entered introduced myself as the nibbler 491 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: to the polar Bear. But yeah, that was That was 492 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: a pretty funny video. I got a kick out of 493 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: that with my kids and had some people send me 494 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: that video. One guy from Baltimore actually asked me if 495 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: I paid him to say that at that caravan, which 496 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: that is completely false, that's made up. But yeah, you 497 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 3: know one of those guys, one of those interesting hitters, 498 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 3: like you look back, you're like, man, you know, Peter 499 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: a loonso really didn't get a hit, you know, for 500 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 3: as many homers and as good of a career as 501 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: he's had, and it's going to keep going. It's kind 502 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: of a cool little thing to be able to say 503 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: he kept one of those guys from getting a hit. 504 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: But did you know, did you know he was oh 505 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: for seventeen against you? 506 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: I did, Yeah, I did, Yeah I did. 507 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's one of those guys like but 508 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I wouldn't necessarily have said that. He 509 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: is one of the easiest hitters I faced, right, even 510 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: though he's over seventeen. He put together good at bats 511 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: quite a bit. He probably called me the nibbler because 512 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot of times right through that back door 513 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: two seem three to two and get it looking strikeout 514 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 3: or just something on the edges quite a bit, and 515 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: he probably felt like he walked back a lot of 516 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: the times and didn't get a good pitch to hit. 517 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: But you know, I definitely wouldn't say he's one of 518 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: the easiest here's I faced, even though he was over seventeen. 519 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought it was a pretty good little 520 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: throw in where they said that I signed with the 521 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: Red Sox ten minutes before tune Yeah standard Pete said, well, 522 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: that's a good thing I'm doing, So that's pretty funny. 523 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: He's a big, strong guy, not as strong as Stubby 524 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Clapp who took him down when they had that little 525 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: bro lance. Last thing before we let you guys go, 526 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: is like, you know who you dominated? Is there a 527 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: guy that you dominated that you're proud of how you 528 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: were able to take care of, like a name hitter 529 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: that you dominated. I'm sure there's quite a few on them. 530 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to say that dominated. I don't know. I 531 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: think I faced mccutching a lot over the years, and 532 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: I think I had pretty good success against him. The 533 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: best is when they guys when they tell you they 534 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: hate facing you, like like Pete did for Kyle there. 535 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: And I know that Cutch was a guy that I 536 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 4: faced a lot. So we had a lot of battles 537 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: but had some good success. I can see. 538 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: Very cool gentlemen. Good job again today. That's going to 539 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. Stay safe, everybody. 540 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you for the next edition and hopefully that 541 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: one won't suck.