WEBVTT - Conversations About Diss Records Part 2 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.400 What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sealer's podcast with your host, Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:18.680 loaw glasses, Malone, How are you feeling about this modern battle, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.200 this disc record battle that's going on right now? Still, 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.160 I think it's good for hip hop? Why is it 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.680 good for hip hop? That's such a generic thing to say. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.919 Well, it is generic, but it's the whole premise. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:35.160 Man. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:40.760 You know, hip hop is braggadocios at its core. You know, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.520 you got guys that brag about that jury, how many 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.680 women they knocking down, how much dough they got. You know, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.239 it's telling the story right and hip hop, you know, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.720 as far as back as I can remember when l 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.640 came out, he had a record called I'm Bad Your 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.000 rapper can rap quite like I can. I take a 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.560 muscle bomb man and put his face into sind Yeah, 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.000 I know it's a competition. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:14.000 I guess that is like an extension of poverty. It's 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:21.080 an extension of poverty for sure, to overcompensate for the 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.640 lack thereof I mean as far as poor people bragging 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.199 about exactly what they have. So I guess I can 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.440 I can somewhat deal with that where I'm at right now, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.880 I'm just hella disinterested, Like Pete, where are you at 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.160 with it? 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.479 I'm so prejudicially biased against it that I've gone out 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.120 of my way to avoid having to be exposed to it. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.000 But my opinion on it is I think for the 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.840 sake of the genre, it's probably a good thing that 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.480 you could have an old school style like hip hop 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.360 beef that was lyrically based and not necessarily like. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.920 This the foggy opaque. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.919 Are we really rapping? Or am I making coded threats 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.639 against your life? Type? You know, street beef type of 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.880 shit that kind of dominated the space for a couple 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.839 decades there. It feels like a throwback to the early 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.040 eighties or something like that. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.200 Well, I think the early eighties was about kicking your 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:33.320 ass too, But I definitely agree that in today's time, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.240 I don't think nobody's gonna even pinch each other. So 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.360 I do think this is one of the rare times. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.200 Because even as a little kid, and I go back 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.000 and I listened to you know, Shan and Chris battling, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.640 I didn't know if I never got the feeling that 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.400 if they came across each other, they wouldn't fight. I 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.960 even thought KRS one and Shan would even fight, especially 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.600 after the bridge is over. Like I just knew that 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.480 they fucking fight, Like I I would believe they fight, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:08.959 And I felt that way about every big battle until then, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:14.200 you know, whether it's moving forward, you know, NWA versus 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:21.280 let's say, you know, dice Cube. I thought they would fight, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.480 and if I remember correctly, still they did fight, right, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.480 Ruthless and n w A and CBE did. Did the 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.679 lynch Mob and n W and Ruthless ever get into it? 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.320 They did, right, you know, they didn't get into it 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.160 personally above the low caught Cube and then at the 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.080 new music seminar. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.720 Yeah, so Ruthless versus Lynch Mob, you. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.839 Know, and the ship talking led to a little fight. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.960 From what the homie go Mac tells me, they caught 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.080 Cube slipping, but it didn't get as bad as people 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.800 thought it was. And then the few people in the mouth, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:57.160 but that was the extent of. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.840 It, and then the nw A excuse me, then the 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.720 Ruthless versus Death row right over dre Day and real 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.200 motherfucking geez right where you know, they ran into each 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.120 other at the golf course right, and then it was 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.119 the dog Pound versus you know, Drasta and the ruthless, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:15.400 the ruthless cap. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.720 Yeah, when Nate Dog gonna work them dudes out with 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:19.320 the nine. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.839 Iron, Nate hit drasd upside they had with a golf club. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.680 A nine iron to be exact, the heaviest one, so 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.360 ethically funny. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:33.839 And yeah it was funny. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.800 And you know, see one thing that we will say 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.880 at that time, like you go back to the kras 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.599 one and MC saying stuff. I never thought for one 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.560 single moment nobody was gonna get into a fight. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.960 You never thought they would, or you thought they would 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.440 get into a fight if they saw each other. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.680 I thought they wouldn't. Man, You know what, the most 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.880 you can expect back then was for somebody to possibly 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.400 get punched in the mouth or something. That's It wasn't 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.719 gonna never be no gunplay. It wasn't gonna never be 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.720 nothing like that because that fell outside the essence of 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.239 hip hop. You feel what I'm saying. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.440 No, I don't agree with that. I hate when y'all 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:10.800 say that. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.400 In the in the beginning though they would like battle 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.599 rap like face to face. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.440 Live and shit like that. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.200 You know That's what I'm saying, bro, It never got it, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.560 never got that, it never got personal like that. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.000 I totally disagree. That's not what they said. But I 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.760 understand the narrative that all the early hip hoppers want 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.480 to push. So I'm not gonna get in the way 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.400 of that. But that's not true. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.919 Well, you know, I've actually talked to people that was 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.360 actually there during those times, like when Eel had his battles. Now, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.040 when Ice Tea and LHL had they thing. Iced T 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.680 had numerous opportunities to where if he wanted to get 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.800 ills he had knocked off, he could because there would 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.480 be somebody called him all the time. Hey, I got 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.040 him in my sights right now, What you want me 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.080 to do? Ice didn't want nothing like that to happen. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:58.960 You feel what I'm saying. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.200 Well, yeah, I wouldn't agree with Ice T and l 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.400 But Shan and Chris that was a little bit more serious, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.640 you know what bro at least from their perspective. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.479 Yeah, I don't think it was led to the point 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.480 nobody getting hurt, Like it wouldn't gonna be on no 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:14.800 Biggie and Tupac stuff. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.520 But Biggie and Tupac, nobody got hurt because of Biggie 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.920 and Tupac Like that wasn't about rap beef. Pac didn't 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.960 die over rap beef. Biggie didn't die over rap beef. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.839 You know, they had separate situations happening that led to 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.640 their death. It wasn't about because they really didn't have 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.040 a real beef, right, they didn't have a real beef. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.240 Well to an extent, dog it did. Everything kind of 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.800 was a derivative. Oh don't, dude was beefing you think 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:47.760 about it, you know from Pluff off from people money. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.000 But that's not really true. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.320 Oh so Puff didn't offer nobody no money. No, yeah 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 he did, bro what's his name? Mouth? 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:55.799 He was lying. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.720 So you think Keithy di gonna makes something that E 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.520 left bright up to say that this man was going 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:02.960 to put a million dollars on his head. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.480 You think he lined, yes, what's going to and did 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.640 are different and it's just a lie. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.480 I just think with these records, man, I think it 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.800 comes to a point, you know, recently on our show, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.480 it's a piece going around right now where eight said 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.320 at some point you might as well just fight. I 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.720 think when you get too personal on records, man, it 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.600 can't lead to somebody, you know. I can think it 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.520 can't lead to some shit possible. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.160 No sellings, gl Pete doing what we do, Big Brother 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:43.240 still Gangster Rap chronicles. It's a difference between disc records 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:48.320 and battling, you know what I mean, Like a battle 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.240 is different, and a battle can lead fight, but this 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.880 records are meant to be totally disrespectful. A battle, in 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.640 his essence, is more about saying you're superior to someone 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.160 like as an MC. A disc record is intended to 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:11.000 be disrespectful to somebody else. Now, battle Rap has kind 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:15.160 of fell into that space of disrespectful talk, but that 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.360 wasn't the essence of battling right when they started, right, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.320 it was all about raising yourself up versus a disc record. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.080 It's all about putting somebody else down. But back to 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:31.200 the Biggie and Toolpac. Pop didn't have a real problem 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:35.440 with Biggie, Like he said this on multiple interviews, like 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.240 he never really had an issue with Biggie. He has 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.000 said in the interview with Vibe that if he thought 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.720 Biggie had something to do with him being shot, it 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.480 had been a different kind of problem. They didn't really 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.320 have a real issue, like Pop. I've stood by this 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.840 because the more I get into hip hop, and I 0:08:54.960 --> 0:09:00.720 understand the business. Pop understood the market viability of what 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.400 Thish records do, Like what the what the competition does? 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:04.960 Right? 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:09.400 If Puff and Big is really top tier in the 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.200 space with Snoop Dogg and Dre, you grab that energy, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.200 right and you you use that energy to launch you 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.160 into another you know, hemisphere. And he did that. But 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.800 he said in different interviews that there was no real 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.360 issue between him and Biggie or him and Puff, They 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.160 didn't have a problem. He just used the situation and 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.520 motivated himself to go to that level. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.000 Well, you knew what Paca initially tried to say. He 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.800 tried to say that Big and bad Boy had something 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.200 to do with him getting shot in quiet studios, and 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.720 everybody knew that wasn't true. You know, Paco's given some money. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.040 But Pac never said that. You never said that. That 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.960 was kind of what Okay, So if he does have 0:09:55.040 --> 0:10:00.320 any responsibility, that's the insinuation of actions. But he ever 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.880 in his life said he thought Puff or Big, excuse me, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.640 Puff or Big has something to do with him getting shot. Now, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.880 whoever listen to those setlings. If I'm wrong, show me 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.520 the fucking interview where he said, y'all, niggas have something 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.480 to do with me being shot. He just always referenced 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.000 his issue and the competitive nature were big and Puff 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.640 with the fact he got shot in New York. So 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.520 then people put two and two together and say, oh, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.600 this must be why he's upset. But really, if you 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.520 listen to him interviews, he's talking about how Bigie took 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.719 off and he felt like they forgot about him, you 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.200 know what I mean, and nobody really was showing him love, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.280 and he just went through this traumatic experience, you know, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.520 of shooting himself in a really bad situation, you know 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.960 what I'm saying. So he felt embarrassed, and then Puff 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.080 used his circumstances to market himself. I mean Puff used 0:10:55.080 --> 0:11:00.559 his you know, pop situation of being shot and marketed, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.280 you know, using you know, the who shot you saw 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.680 with Biggie to where it could be confusion. And I 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.560 think POC saw that, you know, if you look at 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.760 his book list, I think POC saw that shit and said, oh, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.800 that's what we're doing. We're using tragedy to market ourselves 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.720 into you know, success. Got you. So when he came home, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:25.040 he used everything to market himself into the number one spot. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.360 Yeah, I definitely think Tupac has alluded that they had 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.040 something to do with that, or they knew that it 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:31.760 was going to happen. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.480 When did he say that they had them to do it? 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.640 I think that's disingenuous. I mean, the reality is that 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.080 was what was swirling around. He had a million opportunities 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.040 to invalidate that, and he went deliberately out of his 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.160 way to avoid doing so. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.880 And I've just found some the source. The incident Acquired 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.360 Studios is more than just the robbery gone wrong for 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.679 Tupac's Corey. It was a betrayal. Biggie and Tupac at 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.840 once been close friends, their bonb ruter than shared passion 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.880 for hip hop, both artists hell from Background's rifle struggling hardship, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.959 which they funneled into their music, earning acclaim from fans 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.600 and critics alike. However, after the Quad Studios incident, their 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.760 friendship quickly slured. Secure openly accused Biggie, his label bad 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.840 Boy Records, and Sean Puffy Combs of having prior knowledge 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.360 of the shooting and accurate and accusation if Himmalley desnied. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.559 So you know, you know, you're just reading somebody's thoughts 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:27.960 on it, Like you know, there. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.280 Was this was an investigation, bro. And this is what 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.880 Tupac said. He said this openly, Bro. He believed that 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.200 they had knowledge of it, not that they necessarily set 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.800 it up, but he thinks they knew that it was 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:38.360 going to happen. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.320 You changed two parts. Again, this is two different things, 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.640 him saying they had something to do with it, and 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.440 him then now you're saying that, oh, well, they knew 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:49.319 it was going to happen. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.760 Well, see, I don't think they necessarily. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.120 It's way past it's not necessarily. They didn't have anything 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:57.680 to do with it. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.200 They didn't have nothing to do with it. But he 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.240 believed they had knowledge that it was gonna happen. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.520 It's the culpability of an action on both sides. He 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.960 believes that they, by not acting or making mention of 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.840 the fact that they had this knowledge, are a way 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:14.840 indirectly comfortable. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.240 And I can see that. Let's say mean you go 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.080 to Miami, right, we go down to to Miami and 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.240 me and you somewhere we handle our business or whatever, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.480 and someone comes out of the woodwork and pull a 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.520 pistol on you for making a song or whatever. They 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.360 mad at you. Whatever we are going to think in 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.480 our minds. Man, these dudes knew that was laughing. How 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.840 did they know he was gonna be here? No, I 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.319 would not think that. First off, this is a. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.880 Different I would get all the blame. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.480 You know, this is a different situation. Right, Like, if 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.760 I did something to somebody in Miami, I have a 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.320 really good chance to go to Miami that the person 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.840 I did something to is going to be there waiting 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:55.120 on me. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.560 Miami is a big city. They would have to have 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.560 prior knowledge that she was coming down there for something. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.040 Point your exact location. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:11.520 Bro, that's a hell of square take and and I 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.720 get what you're saying, But No, I would automatically think 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.680 that this person would know I'm going to be around. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.280 There's nothing nobody can tell me that's gonna say, well, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:22.240 they had to do this. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:23.200 I would think. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.960 That it's so many people around the circle that somebody 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.480 that knows me is going to tell them a glasses 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:35.240 is around. But again, like I'm saying, like, I'm not 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.120 sure if pot said, hey, they they knew I was 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.760 going to be here, so they helped blah blah blah. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.640 Now if he's saying that Oh, they knew it was 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.880 gonna happen. They had to know it was gonna happen, Like, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.240 how can they know a robbery is gonna happen unless 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.360 you have more details about why somebody would be trying 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.240 to rob you. Why would somebody why would somebody have 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.080 details about somebody robbing you? 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.560 Well, you know, it could being inadverting too. I don't 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.480 think they did it on purpose necessarily. It could be 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.640 a matter of just somebody talking, Oh the holy cheek 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.600 coming down, Oh the Holy pok gonna be over here tonight, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.600 we gonna be. If you're doing this and that's all 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.400 it takes, then somebody else gon tell this person. But 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.800 the thing is, I got smoked because he owed Jimmy 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.680 Hinchmith a few dollars, and really it was supposed to 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.080 be a warranting. The only reason he wound up getting 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.280 shot was him trying to resist and reach for heat 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.480 and all that other stuff. You know, I think they 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:27.720 just meant to scare the dude. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.600 But at that point then if that's the case, then 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.320 he would owe them money. So then him going to 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.120 New York would be him risking knowing that, hey, I 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.280 have some unsavory business going with somebody and there's a 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.280 possibility that they can catch me. So how the fuck 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.760 would that have something to do with anybody else that 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.320 don't owe cuz no money. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.760 Well, then that's when you get the marketing right, Pop, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.120 Like you said, he was a marketing genius, and he 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.760 understood that. You know what if I create this illusion 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.520 that we got beef and they set me up and 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.480 I got shot and I survived, You're already that was 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.600 a big part of his whole spiel. Dog. In fact, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.920 he beat his shot multiple times and survived and now 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.360 I'm coming back to wreap my finiance. You know. So 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.280 that that was that man. Pot was a people forget man. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.360 Pop was an actor. Dog, He was a real actor. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:21.200 He was a great actor. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.160 I think also you kind of answered your all question 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.680 like along the way, if you know you got a 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.000 situation where somebody you come into their town, you're not 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.840 going to call him in advance and to ham coming 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:36.360 to your town. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.800 I'm not going to go to their town. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.640 Well that's what I'm saying. He she, Yeah, was out 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.600 there just like Biggie business in La Biggie should have been. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.000 This is the last place he should have been. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.280 Well, I don't even I don't there. I don't agree 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.120 with that he had nothing to do with the nigga 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:53.840 getting shot. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:00.960 He didn't, Bro, But just the circumstances, Bro, he shouldn't 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.760 have got shot. He should still be here walking around. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.720 There's no way his mama should be grieving him. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:11.800 Agreed. But but then again, but then, but then again, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.040 like I always felt like Big was like an innocent 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.400 casualty in that situation. But then again, when the Dog 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.159 Pound dudes went to New York and they were shooting 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.879 their video and then their video shoot got set, you know, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.959 they video shoot got shot up based off of some 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.399 things that Biggie said on the radio allegedly, you know 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.520 what I mean. He wasn't as innocent as I would 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:42.440 like him to be. But pe to your point, it's 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.679 like it's a little bit more trickier, right, It's like, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.480 I genuinely don't. I don't think they pop thought Big 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.960 and Puff had nothing to do with him getting shot, 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.720 nor did they know, nor did they have any state 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.000 or he thought that maybe when you get shot, there 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.080 there is a traumatic response, you know what I'm saying, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.240 That makes you paranoid. Right, So there's the initial thing 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.719 whereas like I don't know what the fuck is going on. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.920 I'm going through a lot of shit. I'm in pain, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.600 I'm in a hospital, blah blah blah. Now there could 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.720 be a pari that sets in on the mind. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.000 I would imagine, I'll say, you know, I would imagine 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.600 even extremely paranoid. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.639 Like hypothetically, if you know, all right, I'm gonna go 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.440 do this track with these guys out in lag. I 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.119 got the situation. I'm a sliding real quick, knock it out. 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.080 I'm ana slide out, and no one really knows when, where, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.640 or any of these variables that matter to execute something 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.880 like that. And then it happens, you go, shit, only 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:41.560 three people even know I was out here. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.280 But that I wouldn't believe that. As Tupacshakor in nineteen 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:51.919 ninety four, like I'm Tupacshakor, I'm in the biggest movie 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.720 as far as urban mute, you know, as far as 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.200 urban culture in the last five years. At that point, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.280 I'm in juice. Everybody sees me like, I don't care 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.959 what I do. Everybody's gonna see me. The security guard 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.840 who actually is supposed to actually be the one that 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.800 contacted and helped to facilitate whatever happened because that was 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.239 the person. But I'm also Tupac Shakurt, Like there's no 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.240 way possible Pete as a street guy if I got 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.479 into it with TI. Right, Let's say I have an 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.400 issue with TI, right, and you know what I mean, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.240 I took something from TI or like still as saying, right, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.359 I took some money from TI. Now TI is looking 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.119 for me because I don't want to give him this money, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.199 so I know we have a problem. I'm not flying 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.399 into Atlanta without knowing something is going to happen to me. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.040 It's like it was. It was a beef in a 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.360 dish record situation between x Tens tasi On from Miami 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.960 and a kid named Rob Stone from San Diego, right, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.800 and they had some records back and forth. Ex rest 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:05.640 in Peace went to San Diego to do a concert 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.120 and then when he's on stage doing a concert, somebody 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.960 comes from the back and just knocks him out on 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.679 the stage. Rest in Peace to the man, but he 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.800 got knocked out on the stage, and I remember saying 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.120 that shit like on Twitter and saying, like, why the 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.520 fuck would you go to San Diego after you just 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.040 had this back and forth with records with this person 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.840 where you're saying flagrant shit, you're saying fucked up shit, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:34.120 you popping it. 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.760 I get that. But he did, Yeah, he did. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.320 And I think when you're in a situation like that, 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.480 you have to expect some kind of uh, you gotta 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.800 expect something if you gonna beat that flagrant man and 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.160 go to a man city after you're gonna talk cash shit, 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.840 you kind of deserve whatever happened to you. You kind 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:56.800 of you know what I'm saying. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.320 I think you inviting trouble or at least you know 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.760 something can happen. I would hope you believe something can happen. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.399 You, butter be kind ext of. And one thing I 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.040 want to go back to, and this is not no 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.240 knock at all, is that Biggie what? No street dude? 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.680 I think everybody knew that Biggie was just a phenomenal rapper, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.119 you know, talking to Homie Doggy down, it's just Doggy 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.480 Dowmond's newly in personally. 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.960 No, I don't believe. I don't believe you are Doggy. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.760 I believe Biggie was a street dude. So you think 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.760 Biggie was, So you think dog Gee? Why do you 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.840 think everybody lying when they say something, cause niggas be lying. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:32.760 That wasn't no dis I don't think dog would lie 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:33.200 about that. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:38.920 I think he's lying. I think he'spect Okay, they didn't 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.400 do a lot of the ship. He said on records 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.240