1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt nol is here 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: in spirit they call me Ben. We are joined as 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decad Most importantly, 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. For a check in, Matt, 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I know usually I ask, I ask you first, but 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: I just want to say, after interject, I am so 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: glad to see you man. Yeah, it's been too long. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: It has been we uh, you know, for any of 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: you that don't know out there, let's just give him 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: a little bit hind the curtain. We record three times 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: a week this show, so we we usually have a 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: time like time to be together in a room talking, 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: catching up before recording and everything and uh and has 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: been notes all the time. We are friends outside of 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: this magical darkened room where we record. Yea, so not 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: having that has been uh, it's it's not been great. 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: So it's also happy to see you, sir, thanks man, 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: it feels a good Yeah, yeah, I was. Um, let's see, 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Paul and I were in Texas and then we're in 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: Chicago for a second, and I am hopefully by the 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: time all our fellow listeners hear this, I will have 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: returned from Brussels. Wow, that's cool. I'm going there tomorrow 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: as we record this. Oh my gosh. And now now 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: with all that update, all that prool, like I have 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: to ask how are how are you doing? Man? Almost 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: almost almost sent you some prank text it was at 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: the Alamo, but decided against it. Oh Man, I would 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: have accepted. Uh, I'm doing really well. You know, everything 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: in my life is focused on my son, and we're 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: doing this thing where every morning he makes a picture 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: of a letter and then we talked about what that 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: letter is, and then the whole day is about that letter. 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: So like walking around going to the grocery store, pointing 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: out things that are like start with b uh. It's 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: so it's so much fun. And uh yeah, the whole 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: thing was my wife's idea. And she's so talented and 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: smart about doing these kind of things. She makes every 43 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: day unique and exciting for my son's h It's really great. 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: That's that's what's going on with me. Ben. That's great. 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I want to ask you how you're doing personally and 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: what's going on, but I have a feeling you would 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: respond no comment. Okay, So let's go ahead. Let's go 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: ahead and get into the episode. Everyone. We're talking pyramids today, right, Yes, pyramids. 49 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: Pyramids some of the oldest known structures built by human 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: beings so far as we know. And uh, these structures 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: have also captivated human beings. Uh, not not just in 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the recent days when they're seen as mysterious and enigmatic, 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: but during the times that they were built, right, and 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: especially coming across Let's say you're walking along a river. 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: You're following a river in exploration of some kind, and 56 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: out in the distance you see something towering and it 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: has sharp angles to it, which you don't find anywhere 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: in nature. And as you get closer, you realize how 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: large this structure is. It's not just the mountain in 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the desert. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating to 61 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: put ourselves back in space and time. In a previous episode, 62 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: we explored these stories of pyramids in other parts of 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the world, which is a real it's a real thing. 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like one of the early 65 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: as pyramids we know about would be the zig Rats 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: in Mesopotamia. Right, They don't get a lot of street credit. 67 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people never heard of Mesopotamia 68 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: until Ghostbusters came out in the eighties. No, no, no, 69 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe the Exorcists to be fair, because isn't Pozuzoo Maybe 70 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: pezuzos Samarian. It all sounds familiar. It all sounds familiar, right. 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: So in that episode, we we explore what pyramids are 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: getting to the architecture of the structures, how they're typically 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: built and so on, and we talked about how there 74 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: are multiple different kinds of pyramids, right, and this this 75 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: reminded me of a conversation that it's a little tangential, 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: but I thought you would enjoy. I saw one of 77 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: those Internet hypotheticals right when it was it hypothetical questions 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: your friends post on the Internet, and it said, Okay, 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: here's the gist. If someone gave you ten million dollars 80 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: right now, cash in hand, with the following caveats, would 81 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: you take the money. Here are the caveats. One, a 82 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: snail will follow you for the rest of your life. 83 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: Two if the snail touches you, you will die. And 84 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: then there were a couple of other snail related things. 85 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: My first question with that was, well, what type of snail? 86 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Because not all you know, when we see the word snail, 87 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: we all think of like the same um crenulated shell 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: and the you know, the like living booger that crawls 89 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: around under it. But there are different sorts of snails, 90 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: and there are different sorts of pyramids. So the thing 91 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: that is interesting about this for our purpose is that 92 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: there's so many misconceptions about pyramids, right. Uh. People think 93 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: when we think of a pyramid, we think of the 94 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: angular structure you're describing. I love that moment you took 95 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: us back to where there's someone maybe living um a 96 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: hunter gatherer lifestyle or something, and they're they're walking along 97 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: the river and then they see the seat of human 98 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: civilization breathtaking and they don't get immediately killed by the 99 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: security forces or of some kind, right right, or the 100 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: crocodiles or the other wildlife. Yes. Uh, so when we 101 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: think of pyramids, we think of pyramids in Egypt, located 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: in uh northern Africa. It's all because of the movie Stargate, 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: just completely because of the movie Star, which is an 104 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: amazing documentary. It is. Uh So it's strangely because as 105 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: we found there are pyramids and other parts of the world, 106 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: right they're they're not just in Egypt. We in our 107 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: previous episodes we found them in South America. We are 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: we knew that they were in South America where we 109 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: also found them in Africa, parts of Asia. Um. I mean, 110 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating, and we keep talking about this because 111 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: anytime we bring up pyramids, you just get back to 112 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: the question of why, Like why, why the heck why 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: did you do with that? Like what is it? Why? 114 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Yeah, that's my favorite part too, 115 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, like obelisk, yes are weird. Remember when we 116 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: went to uh we went up to d C and 117 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: we filmed some stuff about the Washington Monument. Yes, which, 118 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: once upon his time was going to be you know, 119 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: a statue of George Washington, but now it's you know, 120 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: it's this ridiculously phallic thing you can crawl up inside 121 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: of and reach the top. Yeah. Man, the tip. I 122 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: don't know that's what it's all about. But but really 123 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: the just that that um, that concept is still baffling 124 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: to me. UM with all the varying types like you're 125 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: talking about the zigger outs, the you know, the more 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: angular pyramids, the stepped pyramids, all these things. It's just, um, 127 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: they're so symbolic, and I think outwardly symbolic of something 128 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: to have that shape. It also goes back to, you know, 129 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: the construction process of you know, building up in that 130 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: way right, right, But still it's just I don't know, 131 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: there's something so mysterious about it. It's true, yet we 132 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: know that we know that the primary purposes of pyramids 133 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: and pyramid like structures I would also include baby mounds 134 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: in the North American continent. We know that the primary 135 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: purposes tended to be spiritual or funereal. Right, these are 136 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: gigantic tombs taj Mahal style, or these are in the 137 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: case of some zigarettes, holy sites, sacred sites of worship 138 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: wherein rituals are enacted. At least that's our best understanding 139 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: from the work of archaeology and our right the work 140 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: of some brilliant archaeologists and then also the work of 141 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: some uh just morally bankrupt ones back in the day. 142 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: And then that's you know, like the the racism that 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: gave rise later first to the idea of law civilizations, 144 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: and then later to the idea of extraterrestrials. Because the 145 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: people and for we have to hit this fact. The 146 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: people who wrote a lot of early early stories about 147 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: discovering these different amazing structures in different parts of the world, 148 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: they they were somehow, on some level offended by the 149 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: idea that the ancestors of the local people could have 150 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: built those. So there you have it. We know that 151 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: that's the that's the craziest thing. We know that pyramids, 152 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: despite being ancient, the ancient pyramids and structure as we 153 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: talked about, remain controversial today, not just because of the 154 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: institutionalized discrimination and stuff, but also because people continue to 155 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: claim that they have discovered more ancient pyramids thanks to 156 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: Google Earth. May don't you know I love Google Earth 157 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and Light Are I know that's true? We will will? 158 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: We all do. They are amazing tools. It just it 159 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: gives an opportunity to at least search from behind a 160 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: computer screen the entire planet for things that look angular 161 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: or out of place or you know, square, rectangular, right. 162 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: And it's not to say that these things don't exist 163 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: somewhere in the world, because in many parts of the world, 164 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: the surrounding ecosystem will eat everything made by man, you 165 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You can build something in a 166 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: jungle and it can just for all intents and purposes, 167 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: it can vanish. And I think you know, you and 168 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: I probably both still check in to see how many 169 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: new ruins or ancient sites are found just in the 170 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Amazon alone. There's a ton. Uh So, so we know 171 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: that these things do exist, but we also know that 172 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of exaggeration and a lot of hyperbole 173 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: involved in these claims. Generally, these discoveries become controversial for 174 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: one reason or another, and it's not it's not a 175 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: case of you know, someone pretending to be a scientist 176 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: a line or selling snake oil, as is so often 177 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: the case in a lot of scientific research. The scientists, 178 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: the archaeologist, the experts. Uh. They say one thing, maybe 179 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: in a relatively obscure journal of some sort, and then 180 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: someone someone else says, hey, this would be a great 181 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: headline for my my blog, my my pop culture news thing, 182 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: right website, my French website. Sure, and then then all 183 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, what the scientists really we're saying gets 184 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: convoluted and telephoned into something different. And that's where we 185 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: get into these claims of ancient hitherto unknown civilizations, or 186 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: they try to find something that is a selling point 187 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: for a pyramid because in mainstream news or in fringe 188 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: websites just saying hey, here is a pyramid found that 189 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: confirms long held beliefs that this group of people lived 190 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: in this way you know, or this crop or etcetera, etcetera. 191 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: We want once some h perbole, you know, we want 192 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: some some superlatives like when you graduate high school. Well, yeah, 193 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: and the reader and or listener or whoever. I think 194 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: this is just my opinion, who wants to have that 195 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: discovery moment, that eureka moment where it's oh, civilization was older, 196 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: or civilization did exist in this part of the world, 197 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: or you know that that kind of I don't even 198 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: know exactly what it is. It's that it's a mystery 199 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: being solved, right, and you want that answer even if 200 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't even if it's a question that you weren't 201 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: even really asking in that moment, but you see the 202 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: potential for this answer to a cool thing. I'm not sure. Yeah, 203 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: we like we like patterns and solutions. Yeah, we like 204 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: seeing uh, we like seeing the bridge between concept, day 205 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: and concept. The human beings are all about connection, right, 206 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: I think I think that's a think it's profoundly as 207 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: stupe man, because now we're talking about psychological drive and 208 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: so what what does this what does this drive mean 209 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: when we read about pyramids, Well, it means, like you said, 210 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: they're all these claims, uh that this is the oldest one. 211 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: Here's the biggest revelation that you're going to get with 212 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: regards to this whole thing, and we're gonna give it 213 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: to you right now, such as let's say it's let's 214 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: say it's and you're at the Independent and you get 215 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: a you know, a tip about some seashell constructions in 216 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: Brazil and you post it up and you put a 217 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,239 Speaker 1: title that says something like world's oldest pyramids are discovered 218 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: in Brazil. But that's literally all you have to put 219 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: at the title. That's what they put, World's oldest pyramids 220 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: are discovered, Right, Because with this kind of reporting, people 221 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: love seeing an st an e s t the big 222 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: st the old st these strange st right. And so 223 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: when we when we see the world's oldest pyramid, we think, 224 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: what Brazil, That is definitely not Egypt. Uh So, so 225 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: the story with this is interesting because this is just 226 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: one of a pattern of um oldest pyramid claims. Right, 227 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: the Brazil Pyramids date back to two thousand BC, two thousand, 228 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: three thousand BC or BC, whatever you prefer, and the 229 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: construction techniques are different, because again, not every pyramid is 230 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: created equal. These are as you said, met built of seashells, 231 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: and they were built over a long period of time, 232 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: but four, I think, starting in maybe two or so, 233 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: about four years before the articles published, teams of researchers 234 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: based in the area had been trying to figure out 235 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: what was up with these things because they had been 236 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: um largely deconstructed, yes, or broken down, right, that's just 237 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: over through natural processes and stuff, or you know, destroyed. 238 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: And they were literally called in that article. The remnants 239 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: were called piles of ancient rubbish. Yeah exactly, Yeah, they were. 240 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: They were deliberately built. But while archaeologists estimate there used 241 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: to be a ton of them, a thousand pyramids, there's 242 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: some thousands and thousands of years old, only ten survive 243 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: in any recognizable way. Uh. They thought the structures were 244 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty ft high with bases that were 245 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: up to thirty seven acres, so this makes them much 246 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: bigger than the earliest examples in Egypt, not as high. 247 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: H and also they took a long long time to build, 248 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: so that's a claim, and that's that's a fairly reputable claim. 249 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: The one thing that makes it different when you really 250 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: think about pyramids in Egypt is that pyramids in Egypt 251 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: have survived in not the best condition. But as pyramids go, 252 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: their their top notch you know what I mean. Uh, 253 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: they are what fans of classic cars called all uh 254 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: cherry condition, right, yes, yeah, So unfortunately a lot of 255 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: the pyramids in Brazil are not like that. They don't 256 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: exist anymore. But now you can claim that's the this 257 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: is the oldest pyramid. Well yeah, And again, when you're 258 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: establishing the age of something like that, let's say the 259 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: primary construction is made of seashells. Um the mode of 260 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: determining the age of those is to then carbon date 261 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: somehow the the structure or whatever is made up of 262 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: those things. And if you're dealing with seashells, I guess 263 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: by carbon dating the shells themselves is how you get 264 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: that number or that range. But still, I there's so 265 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: much variance there. I guess that's why you have something 266 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: like some of these are two thousand, three thousand years old, 267 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: some of them are up to five thousand years old, 268 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: and those estimates to get so ballparky at some point, 269 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of people. One could say, however, that 270 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: you know what, the margin on the margin on the 271 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: dating process here maybe pretty large, but it doesn't invalidate everything. 272 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: So sorry, Egypt, that's it. Brazil has what what we 273 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: now know as Brazil has the oldest pyramids. But this 274 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: was not the only claim for the oldest pyramid. The 275 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: debate continues today. We'll tell you more about it after 276 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. We're back and we're going 277 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: to jump to a different part of the world in 278 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: a different time. Yes, so we were in the nineties, 279 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: and to be exact, let's jump to just a couple 280 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: of years ago. And in Kazakhstan. That's right, Matt. A 281 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: report came from an archaeologist working at the Kazakh National University, 282 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: A fellow named Victor novo Zenov uh This apologies for 283 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: the mispronunciation. There. He claimed that specialist working at the 284 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: saya Kinski Archaeology Institute in Karganda, Kazakhstan, led by a 285 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: guy named Igor Kukushkin, had discovered the world's oldest pyramid 286 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: in wait for it, Kazakhstan. There we go, there we go, 287 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: and that's another oldest pyramid and it's um. You know, 288 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: it's another one of these super captivating headlines, captivating stories. 289 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: The headline itself was world's oldest pyramid was found and 290 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: it's in Kazakhstan. That was from Nature World News, so 291 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, slightly different publication, but still it's that same 292 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: kind of title that's just gonna get your attention. Um. 293 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: So it's believed to be built roughly a thousand years 294 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: earlier than some of the more prominent pyramids that are 295 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: found in Egypt. A thousand years before that is that's 296 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: pretty significant if if that's proven right. So, it's located 297 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: in this place called the Sarayaka Steps and uh, it's 298 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: near the city of Karganda. It's like three thousand nine 299 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: miles northeast of Cairo, Egypt. You know, that's that's a 300 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: long way. That's a comparison, really long way. Um. And 301 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: you know, it's similar in appearance to some of the 302 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: other pyramids that exists there the pyramid of Dojer or 303 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Joe Josser. I don't know how to pronounce any of 304 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: those things. I'm sorry, but again it's uh, it's really interesting. 305 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: You can find the article on it if if you 306 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: go and look and um, you know, there's more you 307 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: can find here. It popped up on it popped up 308 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: in a couple of places in sixteen that you know, 309 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: Yahoo wrote about it. You can also find the statement 310 00:20:54,080 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: from novol Zenov who believes that this was This is 311 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: what they call a step pyramid, so it doesn't have 312 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: that complete um flat angle like a pyramidic gizer or something, 313 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: but he believes it was a mouslim built for a 314 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: local king. Still, the age of it seems legit, but 315 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: does that make it the oldest pyramid or structure of 316 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: this type? No, say researchers. In Indonesia. You see geophysicist 317 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: Danny Hillman not the witha. And again, thank you, thank 318 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: you to everyone who tuned into our episode on the 319 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: wrong manyak Rang manyak Uh and told us that if 320 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: our pronunciation was terrible, at least it was endearing and amusing. 321 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: So hopefully that's what we're going for here, folks. Improv rules, uh, Yeah. 322 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: This This geophysicist based on the Indonesian Institute of Sciences 323 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: analyzed a site called Gunung Padang in Java in Indonesia, 324 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: and they said that this this thing that people thought 325 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: was just a weird hill for a long long time 326 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: was actually a pyramid, and a very very old pyramid. 327 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: This is, by the way, one of the more well 328 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: researched claims at this point, which is not a ding 329 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: on the other pyramids. This is just to say that 330 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: the site in Indonesia and the team in Indonesia had 331 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: more time to spend and access to better tech. Yeah, 332 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: they did. They had ground penetrating radar and a couple 333 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: of other things. And they also took photographs of the 334 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: site and published them and made them available so that 335 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: you could see you could really see it rather than 336 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: just being you know, some text on a website somewhere 337 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: that always lends credibility. If you go to science alert 338 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: dot com, you can find some images, some aerial photographs 339 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: um that we're taken, and some like closer up to 340 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: the structures. It's it's really fascinating to see. Uh, I 341 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: don't know this one. This one gets me. This is compelling. Yeah, 342 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: this is compelling that this what's strange about this one 343 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: is that while it was presented in an academic setting, 344 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: I think on December twelve at the Annual Media in 345 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: the American Geophysical Union, it was still considered highly controversial. 346 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: But the research is compelling. You can you can read 347 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: it in depth if you just just check it out online. 348 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: It looks like there are four separate layers and they 349 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: were built over thousands of years. So the first layer, 350 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: the one that we would consider or the surface, looks 351 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: to be about three thousand, five hundred years old. The 352 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: second layer, however, it looks to be eight thousand years old. 353 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: And then they get to the really crazy stuff. This 354 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: is where it becomes super controversial, right. The third layer, 355 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: according to their estimate, is somewhere between nine thousand and 356 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand years old. Twenty eight thousand, I mean 357 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: maybe honestly, maybe maybe we just don't know yet, man, 358 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: But that seems a bit of a stretch. I mean, 359 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy if you look at it too. They've 360 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: got a an example of the layering. It shows you 361 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: all the different ones in the structure and how uh 362 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: how it looks, and that initial period, the initial layer 363 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: that you're talking about the one that's that has that 364 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: range of age. It is the most sharply angled um, 365 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: the most basic pyramid structure like part of the entire thing. 366 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: And you know, if that truly could have been built 367 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: even just at the minimum of that number nine thousand 368 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: years ago, that is so significant for humanity and the 369 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: history you know of of bipedal intelligent things walking around 370 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: on this earth. That's pretty dangn cool. I can't wait 371 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: to get to Indonesia one day, man. There's so much 372 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: history there that we just don't know about in the West, 373 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: you know. So one thing we do have to say 374 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: about this about this site is that when when I 375 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: mentioned that the research was considered controversial, I mean, it's 376 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: a ton of people are criticizing the teams conclusions and 377 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: their methods. They're they're very much going hard on the 378 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: pain with this. Right now, the presentations that they made 379 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: remain non peer reviewed, which is a big criticism by 380 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: their their opponents. But time will tell, right, the wheels 381 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: of archaeology grind slow but exceedingly fine, if we're paraphrasing, 382 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: And they've been at this since so it looks like 383 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: they're they're giving it a serious go and this is 384 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: not going to be the last ancient site that's found, right, 385 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: so we know that there may be even older stuff 386 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: out there. And the I you know, it's almost it's 387 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: almost the wrong way to phrase the question when we say, 388 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: let's search for the oldest man made thing, because there 389 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: are so many things we don't know. Let's just search 390 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: for all the old stuff. That's that's what we need 391 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: to do, right, because so much of it has already disappeared. 392 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: But this leads us to we had a long preamble here, 393 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: but this leads us to, uh something that anything captivated us. 394 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: You you hipped me to this matter. More and more 395 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: people have started to claim that Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Egypt, Brazil, 396 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: that they have nothing on the true old structures, that 397 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: there are much much older pyramids out there in some 398 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: of the world's most remote locals. We always think of 399 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Egypt when it comes to pyramids, But what about Alaska? 400 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that right after a word from 401 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy, it's true, fellow 402 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. In recent years, various groups have claimed pyramids 403 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: created by some unknown civilization can be found in both 404 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: Alaska and Antarctica. Now we've explored the Antarctic a theory 405 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: briefly before, yes we have. And but before you even 406 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: get into that, let's let's establish here just the concept 407 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: of uh general belief in how humanity began, you know, 408 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: in the fertile crescent um in in parts of Africa, 409 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: whereas euphrates exactly where the rivers, where where the water was, 410 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: where the um the land again was fertile, and people 411 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: could survive easy more easily, let's say, even though life 412 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: was a struggle, um. And then humanity spread out from there, 413 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: going to all corners of the earth over over the 414 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: course of time. Right. So when you introduce an idea 415 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: that perhaps there's an even older version of humanity that 416 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: existed in some other part of the world, um, that's 417 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: that's why it's such a controversial idea, because it goes 418 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: against the basic understandings that are that are generally accepted. 419 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: I see that's a good point, because you know, the 420 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: most popular theory for human human arrival on North and 421 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: South America as we call them today is the crossing 422 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: the Baring Straight via the bearing Land Bridge, which was 423 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: about twenty thou years ago. And I think. So the 424 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: issue with that is, for instance, there's a twenty eight 425 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: thousand year old pyramid and Indonesia. Uh. The the issue 426 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: with this idea of a pyramid in Alaska is how 427 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: is one of um pure resources and timeline right? Because 428 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: if you if you notice, a lot of these pyramids 429 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: that we've mentioned in other parts of the world are 430 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: built in more human friendly environments, you know what I mean. 431 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: So the idea of pyramids being built in these freezing areas, 432 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: it seems like something that would turn our understanding of 433 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: history completely on its head if this were true. So 434 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: what about antarcticle. Let's just do a quick Okay, we 435 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: talked about this for Chuck Out the other episode. If 436 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: you have time, and let's just say in nineteen you 437 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: know Tennis, the early nineteen tens, the teens there too. Uh, 438 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: some British explorers were hanging out in Antarctica. They were 439 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: looking around, going, this is a pretty desolate barren. I'm 440 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: not seeing much here until they saw rock, nice pointy rock, 441 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: and they said, hey, let's put this on our map. 442 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: It's a pyramid. Uh, it's the pyramid rock. It's a 443 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: type of pyramid. Um. Finally, that's what it is. Uh, 444 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was probably some kind of natural formation 445 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: or you know, from shearing from ice or something. Jen. Really, 446 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: let's say that that's probably what it was. It isn't 447 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: necessarily exactly what it was or who knows what they found. 448 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: There may be a mystery out there in Antarctica still 449 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: with the old pyramid rock. Um, we haven't been able 450 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: to find it thus far, neither of us have been 451 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: to Antarctica. But that this, uh, let's call it a seed. 452 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: This concept of, oh, there's a pyramid on this map 453 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: of Antarctica. Somebody labeled that. That becomes a catalyst for 454 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of stories. Right. Yes, some were admittedly fiction, 455 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: such as at the Mountains of Madness written by HP 456 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Lovecraft in UH. Some were more rumor mill kind of 457 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: stuff reported as if they were true in newspapers. Right 458 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: and in the following decades, uh. But from two thousand 459 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: twelve to two thousand sixteen there was a new round 460 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: of rumors spreading, and they were based on photographs that 461 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: apparently showed some something, some geographical feature in Antarctica with 462 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: regular triangular sides. The kind of stuff that, to your 463 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: point met earlier in the show, would not occur in nature, 464 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: and so it was the argument about the face or 465 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: pyramid on Mars all over again. People on one end 466 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: we're saying this is true. Someone's covering this up. This 467 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: is stuff they don't want you to know. And then 468 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: there were other people saying, well, if we don't get 469 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: photographs of this thing at multiple angles, how do we 470 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: know this is not just a trick of perspective, which 471 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: is different from from immediately calling bs. It's just saying, 472 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: go back there, take more pictures. Yeah, let's let's verify. 473 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: What is it the old adage trust but verify? Yeah? Yeah, right, 474 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: And uh, it's funny because there were even more rumors spreading. 475 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I think the uh the favorite is our our returning 476 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a returning champion of our show, buzz Dr Rendezvous Al 477 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: Dren returned in this story because the thing in sixteen. 478 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Towards the end of twenty sixteen, there was this rumor 479 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: that he posted a picture of this ice pyramid as 480 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: people were calling it and then said we are all 481 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: in danger, evil chev and then he rapidly deleted it. Yeah, 482 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: that was the rumor, That was the rumor. But what 483 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: if he really did that? How crazy would that be? 484 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: If Dr Rendezvous was like, look at this pyramid, they're 485 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: here too, Oh my god. Oh man, I don't know, 486 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: that would be that would be out of character for him. Yeah, 487 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: I really would. Oh gosh. That's because he's known sort 488 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: of as a you know, as someone who's trolled conspiracy 489 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: theorist before, or what he calls conspiracy theorists. But anyway, 490 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: so that's that's Antarctica at this point. Don't get us wrong. 491 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of very strange stuff that happens on 492 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: that continent, and it's part of the reason I think 493 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: that you and I want to go, and maybe we 494 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: can talk Paul into going with us. But he's had 495 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: some Iceland experience. I think maybe he would. He would 496 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: be fantastic as like a guide and a oh spiritual advisor. 497 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: I think, okay, yeah, Paul, can you come with us? Cool? 498 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: He says, yes, great, he's in Let us know. Also, 499 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: if you have been to Antarctica, we'd love to hear 500 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: your adventures. So Alaska, let's talk about this one. This 501 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: is this is a little more recent, and this is 502 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: a bit more enigmatic. According to a couple of people, 503 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: there's something strange buried in the ground about fifty miles 504 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: from Mount McKinley. Today, the most well known proponent of 505 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: this idea is a writer new ethologist named Linda Molton. Howe, 506 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: here's how this story starts. All right, travel back with 507 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: us to Anchorage in nineteen ninety two, this is just 508 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: for comparison, the same year that the Brazilian research team 509 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: began digging into the Seashell Pyramids. Yeah, same year, there 510 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: was a television news broadcast from Channel thirteen out of Anchorage, 511 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: and they had a segment about this discovery by geologist 512 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: another one more time scientists of an underground pyramid that 513 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: they said was many times the size of existing pyramids 514 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: in Egypt and specifically the Great Pyramid of Giza exactly. 515 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: So here's how it here's the rumor, here's how it 516 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: went out. So u s scientists were concerned about nuclear 517 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: tests being conducted underground by the government of China, so 518 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: they set up seismic equipment in Alaska to monitor this 519 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: possibility of nuclear testing. And keep in mind, just while 520 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: this is all happening, it's President George H. W. Bush 521 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: who in the White House, good call, good call. Uh. 522 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: This discovery, again was only allegedly reported and a scientist 523 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: getting a quarter. This is a campfire story. If you're listening, you, Matt, Paul, 524 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: and I were all gathered around a camp fire, So 525 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: let's use our campfire voices. So the next day, a 526 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: scientist visits the station, this Channel thirteen out of Anchorage, 527 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: and he says, could I get a copy of that video? 528 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: No such broadcast exists, they responded, and he was stonewalled. 529 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: Twenty years later, a retired military officer named Douglas A. 530 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: Muchler claimed to have seen this Channel thirteen report and 531 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: he gave this information to ufologists and investigative journalist Linda Malton, 532 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: how how confirmed the nuclear test, but seems to agree 533 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: with Mushler that there's more to the story. You see, 534 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: she believes that there is a pyramid and that any 535 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: information about it has been covered up by someone or 536 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: some organization thing something. Oh man, that's that's awesome. It's awesome. 537 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: Has even more fuel to the fire here, because you see, 538 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: it was also a video that came out apparently recently, 539 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: that that showed footage of this pyramid. Uh, that a 540 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: team of explorers stumbled upon. Right, but there are some 541 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: problems with the video too. Oh, there's certainly problems with 542 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: the video. My understanding is that has this thing it's 543 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: called text of voice, oh right, right right, where people 544 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: want to disguise their voices and accents or what what 545 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: have you, or just to be able to type something 546 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: anonymously and then have the computer vocalize it. Can you 547 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: do a computer voice to me? Uh? Mine would just 548 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: probably be misconstrued as Stephen Hawking. Oh, I see yeah. 549 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 1: I want to stay away from that one. Huh yeah. Yeah. 550 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: But it's a similar thing where it's a program that 551 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: is vocalizing the words there. But the I just want 552 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: to get this really fast because this is the most 553 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: mind bling thing for me with this whole story, this 554 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: campfire story there, because you know it mentions that this 555 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: this person, Linda how confirmed the nuclear test that China conducted, right, Well, 556 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: we we can also confirm that that occurred, or at 557 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: least there was reporting about it in places like the 558 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: New York Times, in the Chicago Tribune um in May 559 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: specifically of when China conducted a large test and the 560 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: signals or the vibrations from that test were registered throughout 561 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: the United States. Specifically, there a system of detection devices 562 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: that are all over the planet right right, and have 563 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: been since shortly after the invention of nuclear weapons. Yeah, so, 564 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: so that story itself has that it's that grain of 565 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: truth thing where when you're looking into a campfire story 566 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: like this, you begin to see the walls, they're illuminating. 567 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, there, we're actually in a space. This 568 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: really does exist wherever this is or whatever this is. 569 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: But then you go looking a little bit further and 570 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: you get to that point where, um, Linda says, you know, 571 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: the the actual location of where this pyramid is though, 572 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: has been secreted away. It's been covered up. And then 573 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: it goes back to your original question when we're talking 574 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: about pyramids in general, the question your motive why cover 575 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: this up? Why this guy's is it? Is it perhaps 576 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: a sacred site for local cultures, or is it a 577 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: site that is considered unclean for some reason. The problem 578 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: with with both of those claims is that other holy 579 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: places throughout the world have almost always become tourist destinations, 580 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: and you can make money off of those things, and 581 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: that's nice, but here's the thing. Yes, Hound Alaska, where 582 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: it was located, I'm not gonna get tourism out there. 583 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: Probably you've got to build a bunch of civilization first, 584 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: or maybe someone already did. That's the argument, right, that's 585 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: the argument. So it is true, though you're absolutely right 586 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: that there wasn't just one test in There was a 587 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: test on the twenty one of May, a test on 588 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: the twenty five September, and a failed test on November two, 589 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: all in the same year. So this this was extensive testing. 590 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: But the one you had mentioned in the New York 591 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: Times article, it's true that was the largest underground test 592 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: the government of China had taken at that time. So 593 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: it is true. But the problem here is that there's 594 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: very little indication of a pyramid in Alaska from anybody 595 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: other than these sources that we've named. It does lead 596 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: us to something interesting that we we had never covered before, 597 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: which was the existence of a Bermuda triangle in Alaska, 598 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: the Alaska and Bermuda Triangle. This is the kind of 599 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: thing that a lot of more mainstream television producers love. 600 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: You know, you can see I'm sure you can find 601 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: a cheesy episode about this. But but just so that 602 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: everyone has the concept, maybe we can explore this and 603 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: if there's more sent to it later. Uh, there is 604 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: this belief that much like the Devil's Triangle in the 605 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: Pacific or the Bermuda Triangle in the Atlantic, Alaska has 606 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: its own triangle in which people disappear. Uh. It's an 607 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: area sparsely, very sparsely populated wilderness. It's very cold, it's 608 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: a inhospitable location. Wild animals abound, right. And this this 609 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 1: triangles thought to stretch from Barrow, Alaska in the north, 610 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: which I think was popularized in Thirty Days of Night, 611 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: to Anchorage in south at the left, all the way 612 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,479 Speaker 1: down to Juneau. And it's different because it largely goes 613 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: over land right, rather than ocean. Maybe there's a bay 614 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: or two that it crosses, you know, And in this 615 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: case it's it's generally just I think one of the 616 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: concepts here is that it's generally forest areas, it's mountain areas. 617 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,439 Speaker 1: There's a lot, there's a lot of it's very cold, 618 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ice, there's a lot of snow, 619 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of all of these things that are 620 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: somewhat inhospitable for humans. Right and within this triangle area 621 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: um in the center of at least before you get 622 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: out to the edges, and you know, a lot of 623 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: the claims that have to do with the Devil's Triangle, 624 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: Music Triangle and all these things. They have to do 625 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: with a lot of magnetic anomalies. A lot of times 626 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: they have to do with weather patterns that occur within 627 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: those spaces. Um and you could at least you can 628 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: imagine something occurring here. We're in this some it's not 629 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: desolates just uh, it's not a place where a lot 630 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: of humans gather and have all of their stuff, right. 631 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: I think we should do an episode on this in 632 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: the future. Well, I think so too, because the disappearances 633 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: that have occurred over this little triangle with in Alaska 634 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: there are there are many, and they're pretty frightening. Since 635 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: more than sixteen thousand people have vanished in this this 636 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: area mapped out as the Triangle. Uh, this contributed to 637 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: an average of roughly four missing person reports for every 638 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: one thousand people in Alaska. That is more than double 639 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: the national average. Gosh, so not only are there relatively 640 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: few people in this part of the world, but a 641 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: lot of them go missing. Maybe maybe Alaska is just 642 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: a place where people get off the grid, you know, 643 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: or maybe they they end up at the pyramid. That's okay, Okay, look, 644 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: before we wrap up, let's let's talk about the biggest, 645 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: at least most fascinating out their concept for why a 646 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: pyramid in Alaska would be covered up. All right, do 647 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: you want me just tell you what it is? Yes, 648 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: I think you know it. We've been talking about ancient 649 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: like human civilization building it or something like that. But 650 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: the concept that perhaps all of these pyramids across the 651 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: world the big conspiracy, we're all influenced by the same 652 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial force that shaped humanity, that perhaps seeded intelligence on 653 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: this earth plane, like a an intelligent pan spermia kind 654 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 1: of thing. Um. That to me is the most captivating 655 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: version of this of like, that's why a lot of 656 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: these secrets are still hidden. That's why we don't truly 657 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: understand the pyramids in Egypt. That's why we truly don't 658 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: fully understand why they're everywhere and all of all of 659 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: humanity was so fascinated by that shape and that structure. 660 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: As kind of a sacred geometry argument too, yea, so 661 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: stargate star gate. I mean not to not to diminish 662 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: that that would that would be amazing if it's were 663 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: somehow true. There the counter argument people make for that, 664 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: of course, is that at the time, given understanding of 665 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: construction technology, that was the easiest thing to build that 666 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: would last for a long time. You know what I mean? 667 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: I know, I know. I wish you know what, Matt. 668 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: I hope the truth is out there too. I met 669 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: Hey tell you what, uh if if we do meet 670 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials uh in our lifetimes, if I ever meet them, 671 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: even if you're not there, I I Am going to 672 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: try to get them to build a pyramid, even if 673 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: they don't care what it is and they're just like 674 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: they think it's our our hello ritual. If they spend 675 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: the rest of their time with our species thinking that 676 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,959 Speaker 1: instead of you know, waving or shaking hands or vocalizing, 677 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: you build somewhat a pyramid as a way of greeting 678 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: them from It'll be great. Yeah, it'll be worth it. 679 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm so down with that. Let's get t shirts with 680 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: pyramids on them. I want. What I want to see 681 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: is let's do a pyramid on the ground right when 682 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: it's kind of nice to see, kind of surrounding when 683 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: it depends. It doesn't matter what kind of music gradic 684 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: could be whatever, but then above it is an inverted 685 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: version that has lights on the top of it and 686 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: the bottom that's like hovering down or coming down. So 687 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: it's like as above, so below, and it's kind of 688 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: like the old UFO pictures where the UFO would be 689 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: casting a tractor beam down on the ground. We could also, Oh, 690 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: you know what, let's go with that design. That's brilliant. 691 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: I have a caption. Tell me what you think aliens 692 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: the first pyramid scheme? No, not yet, Yeah, let's do 693 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: it and you're good. Uh, well, no, mad Frederick. But 694 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: but we want to hear your thoughts. Have you ever 695 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 1: been to Antarctica? Do you think this there's some sand 696 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: to this Alaska pyramid idea? Or do you think it's 697 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: just another rumor in the echo chamber of the internet. 698 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps most importantly, and this will help us with an 699 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: upcoming episode, what's your take on this idea of a again, 700 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: for lack of a better phrase, Alaskan Bermuda triangle. We'd 701 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, 702 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: and Twitter. 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Just if you just be funny. 723 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: I love it. It's it's not a not a lot 724 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: to ask and to put our money where our mouth 725 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: is here shout out to e j on. Here's where 726 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Who heard us? Talking about Skyrin and 727 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: win ahead and posted some pictures of us complete with 728 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: with our helmets, with our horned helmets. I don't even 729 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: know which helmets those are in the game, Like, is 730 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: that an iron helm that you're wearing, Ben, that's that's 731 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: the one from the ads. Okay, original advertisement, but it's 732 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: actually it's not that great helmet. Hold on, hold on, no, 733 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: looks like he's wearing an oblivion helm. No. No, no, 734 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: he's not. He's not. That's in the game. I think 735 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: it is interesting. Uh. And then I went back and 736 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: just asked e J for Dadrek Garberg. It came through, 737 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: So that was really cool. Thanks so much. You can 738 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: see what we're talking about if you go on here's 739 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. But if you say I don't 740 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,240 Speaker 1: like social meds, it's I don't like talking on the phone. 741 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: We totally get it. You can write twist directly. We 742 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. 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