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Speaker 1: Here we go on a really lively Wednesday, Baseball playoffs,

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Speaker 1: It is the Herd wherever you may be and however

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Speaker 1: you may be listening. Thank you for making us part

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Speaker 1: and you used to live out there, and so did I.

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Speaker 1: When the Yankees and the Red Sox meet, especially in

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Speaker 1: the postseason, it is second guest the manager Tom and

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about the Yankees as an organization, They've

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Speaker 1: been very patient. Cashman's been there forever, Aaron boone in

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Speaker 1: year eight and everybody wants changes, But the Yankees, outside

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Speaker 1: of one year, a couple of years ago have been

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Speaker 1: really perennially good. We're waiting for great. This team's not

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Speaker 1: going to be great because there are certain elements that

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Speaker 1: they're just not very good at, like their bullpen, and

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Speaker 1: that was on display last night.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Yankees Red Sox Game one. It's second guest

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Speaker 1: the manager time, and Aaron Boone is a pinata to

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Speaker 1: the pinstrifer fans. So he didn't start Jazz Chisholm or

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Speaker 1: Ben Rice. Oh well, it's a lefty, righty thing, but

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Speaker 1: that's gonna get second guests if you lose. And he

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Speaker 1: also pulled the pitcher Max Freed. It was pretty good

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Speaker 1: one hundred pitches, they pull Max Street. Everybody's kind of

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Speaker 1: you or I do. So they go to Luke Weaver. Well,

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Speaker 1: Luke Weaver has been up and down all year out

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Speaker 3: That's the reality.

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Speaker 1: And the Red Sox have played great baseball at Yankee

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Speaker 1: the season series. So Luke Weave faltered, and this whole

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Speaker 1: night came down to a couple high leverage situations. One

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Speaker 1: and that's the reality. The other was just historically weird.

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Speaker 1: No teams ever loaded the bases bottom of the ninth

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Speaker 1: Raldis Chapman. Yeah, he throws one hundred miles an hour,

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Speaker 3: And that's the game, and.

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Speaker 1: That every baseball fan, especially in New York, thinks they're

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Speaker 1: a combination of the Earl Weaver, Billy Martin, Connie Mack,

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Speaker 1: down to moments, and one of those moments is in

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Speaker 1: the seventh inning, and you can say, wow, Max Freed.

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Speaker 1: But this whole game came down to a seventh bullpen

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Speaker 1: Baseball is one hundred and sixty two games long. You

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Speaker 1: the game, all right, let's go Dodgers. So the Dodgers

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Speaker 3: So it's a bad bullpen.

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Speaker 3: So it was so Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I said this yesterday, I think they blew twenty six saves.

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Speaker 3: You know it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that felt like a Dodger game.

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Speaker 3: And that's the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: And then the Dodgers got, you know, new owners, and

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Speaker 1: And the Yankees win every year, but they're incredibly patient.

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Speaker 1: And my takeaway and the Yankees is would you rather

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Speaker 6: Well, the problem is that we were spoiled with the

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Speaker 6: say the Yankees are winning, but are they Like, I

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Speaker 6: don't know. I would trade ninety five wins and a

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Speaker 6: second round loss for a World Series, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 6: The Portland Trailblazers where you're in the playoffs every year

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Speaker 6: but you're not winning a title. Yankee says, want to

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Speaker 6: see a World Series Colin, and they haven't in a while,

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Speaker 6: and then you.

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Speaker 3: Know that disappointment.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this, if they lose today, I think

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Speaker 6: you'll see the Yankee spending in the offseason big time.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: You can't. You can't lose.

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Speaker 1: By the Errand Judge making a fortune, Garrett Cole making

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Speaker 6: Here, there's no salary cap, spend go buy everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's spending smart. Why go spend that

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Speaker 1: When I watch the Yankees play like this year, strikeouts

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff today. Joel Klatt breaks

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about the Yankees being uneven. You know,

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Speaker 1: Sanchez is joining us live. Your guest was Josh Allen,

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Speaker 9: offensive line, and then they're starting some young guys. Connor Colby,

436
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Speaker 9: the left guard, is starting in place of Banks and

437
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 9: Burford and all the guards that they've gone through. So

438
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Speaker 9: there's bottom line is I don't care if you're Steve Young,

439
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 9: Joe Montana. You need guys around you. And even if

440
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Speaker 9: those guys came back into play right now, the best

441
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 9: ability would be Steve Young's legs, because you know, it's

442
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Speaker 9: tough finding completions right now for San Francisco.

443
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Speaker 5: And there's still three and one.

444
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Speaker 9: Don't forget all this being said, they're three and one,

445
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Speaker 9: so they're still in prime position.

446
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Speaker 5: They got a big one tomorrow night.

447
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Speaker 3: So one of the.

448
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Speaker 1: Things, you know, I've said this about presidents before a

449
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: long time ago, is They never get credit for the

450
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Speaker 1: mistakes they avoid, Like, like, you know, there's decisions that

451
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Speaker 1: could be made, we don't know behind the scenes. A

452
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Speaker 1: president goes, We're not.

453
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Speaker 3: Going to do that.

454
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Speaker 1: You don't get credit for stuff you don't do. But

455
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Speaker 1: this happens in life. Sometimes you could be a husband,

456
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Speaker 1: you could be a quarterback. I think Aaron Rodgers is

457
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Speaker 1: the lowest rated PFF quarterback and I said time out.

458
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Speaker 1: I said time out. I've watched a lot of quarterback

459
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Speaker 1: play this year. I think Aaron has figured out on

460
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Speaker 1: the fly. And I thought he did it in Dublin

461
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Speaker 1: multiple O line injuries with Minnesota, Vikings right out of

462
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Speaker 1: the gate, got a great pass rush and Aaron said,

463
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Speaker 1: I'm not throwing the ball into trouble. I'm throwing this

464
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Speaker 1: ball underneath. I'm getting completions. I'm going to let our

465
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Speaker 1: defense win. And I'm just I'm saying, that's what I saw.

466
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Speaker 1: But he's got he's low graded by PFF and their

467
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: takeaway is he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

468
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I watched the Minnesota's old line can't

469
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Speaker 1: protect Carson. He shouldn't throw the ball down the field.

470
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Speaker 1: And you're laughing at this Why, well.

471
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Speaker 5: I'm just okay.

472
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Speaker 9: Eleven twenty one Pacific time, Colin Coward is defending Aaron Rodgers.

473
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 9: I know if I've heard that, give me twenty second.

474
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Speaker 9: This could be a full Colin. What's going on? I

475
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 9: flipped the script here.

476
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Speaker 5: Listen. I totally agree with you.

477
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Speaker 9: I think you know he's the veteran conductor of the orchestra.

478
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 9: It's not flashy, but he's gonna get the whole group

479
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 9: in sync and hit every note.

480
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Speaker 5: Reminder, this division is theirs for the taking.

481
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Speaker 9: With Joe Burrow down, with Lamar Jackson down for who

482
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Speaker 9: knows how long with the hamstring. I mean, they're Dylan

483
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 9: Gabriel and Jake Browning next are their two starting quarterbacks

484
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 9: that they're going against. So they finally figured out how

485
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 9: to use DK Metcalf.

486
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Speaker 5: And that took some time. You know, they don't have

487
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Speaker 5: a ton of time on task.

488
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Speaker 9: Aaron and Dk and then Arthur Smith getting him involved

489
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Speaker 9: in understanding that's exactly what he does best what we're

490
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Speaker 9: watching on this highlight. He's a catch and run guy.

491
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Speaker 9: He's a big body, contested ball defender, catcher like that.

492
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Speaker 9: That's exactly the way you want to utilize him and

493
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Speaker 9: when it's available, you take it.

494
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Speaker 5: When it's not, you're going to.

495
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Speaker 9: Have to go dink and dunk and do some other

496
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Speaker 9: stuff to get the ball down the field get the

497
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Speaker 9: run game going. But he's got plenty of gas left

498
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Speaker 9: in the tank and he's got plenty for deep balls

499
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 9: and all those splash plays. But they're going to have

500
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Speaker 9: to generate some of those splash plays on screens, wide

501
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Speaker 9: receiver screens, halfback.

502
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Speaker 5: Screens, tight end screens.

503
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Speaker 9: That's where they're going to get some of their stuff

504
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 9: because they're not just to launch it down the field

505
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Speaker 9: type of team. But this post bye week for them,

506
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Speaker 9: they're on bye.

507
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Speaker 5: Week right now.

508
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Speaker 9: I mean, it's set up pretty nice for them to

509
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Speaker 9: potend run the table in the NFC North.

510
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Speaker 3: So you have the Raiders at the Colts this weekend.

511
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Speaker 1: And I'm watching the Rams Colts game and I'm texting

512
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Speaker 1: a friend and I think j Mack may have been

513
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Speaker 1: one of the people. I'm like, first of all, in

514
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Speaker 1: these old line in these team's good. They got dudes

515
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Speaker 1: in these good team. And I said, second, okay, he's

516
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Speaker 1: not Stafford, but Daniel Jones is making big boy throws.

517
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is playing with a ton of confidence. His

518
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Speaker 1: second interception, it's late. You don't have much time. I

519
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: don't even I don't care. I'll say it. I never

520
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones.

521
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm watching. I mean, seriously, Mark,

522
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Speaker 1: I'm watching him. I'm like, Oh, that's the starting quarterback

523
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Big moves, big arm. Are you surprised

524
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Speaker 1: a little?

525
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Speaker 9: Well, just add them to the list of former New

526
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Speaker 9: York players that leave and go have success. I don't

527
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 9: care whether you're Giants or Jets. I mean, it's incredible

528
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 9: to see Xavier McKinney, Saquon Barkley, Leo Williams, Daniel Jones

529
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Speaker 9: just out into the list.

530
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Speaker 5: So what Shane Steichen has done as assembled a.

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Speaker 9: Roster, a strong offensive unit, a strong offensive line that

532
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Speaker 9: can keep the pocket clean.

533
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Speaker 5: They got a great run game.

534
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Speaker 9: I love their running back and they have everything that

535
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Speaker 9: Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the

536
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Speaker 9: playoffs and won a game on the road in Minnesota

537
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Speaker 9: with the New York Giants.

538
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Speaker 5: I mean, it looks very similar. Remember they had.

539
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Speaker 9: Saquon Barkley that year, and you know now they're working

540
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Speaker 9: with Jonathan Taylor. It's like a very similar setup. The

541
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Speaker 9: guy is surgical, he's an intelligent player. He's more athletic

542
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 9: than people give him credit for. You see some of

543
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 9: his scrambles. I mean, this guy can pick up fifteen

544
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Speaker 9: to twenty five yards like that. And then you know

545
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Speaker 9: they got this rookie tight end as ty Warren Tyler

546
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Speaker 9: Warren out of Penn State.

547
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Speaker 5: I mean he's a big all of.

548
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 9: Six to six, big catch radius, and he's still a rookie.

549
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 9: He's still trying to figure it out, and he's making

550
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Speaker 9: this kind of contribution early.

551
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is scary. They have plenty of talent

552
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Speaker 5: in that division.

553
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Speaker 9: I think it's kind of them in Jacksonville right now

554
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Speaker 9: at least out of the gates this first month of

555
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Speaker 9: the season, that can really make a run in that division,

556
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Speaker 9: and that thing's wide open for those two teams.

557
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Speaker 1: By the way, Ashton genty breakout game, that's not a

558
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Speaker 1: great old line you're looking at film, he kind of

559
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's Boise State. It's a big

560
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: jump up. It's not a great old line. What did

561
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Speaker 1: you make of his performance?

562
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Speaker 9: Well, I thought they had an excellent performance last week.

563
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Speaker 9: I think Austin power Jackson does a good job for

564
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 9: them up front. He's the right guard, has played center

565
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 9: as well. Now they're going with Meredith at center. But

566
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Speaker 9: they also just lost Colton Miller, their left tackle that

567
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 9: they really loved out of UCLA, So that's going to

568
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 9: be huge. Who's going to step in? But I loved

569
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Speaker 9: his ascension. And remember this vision the AFC West. It's

570
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 9: a street fight every week. All those teams want to

571
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 9: run the ball. Whether you're Sean Payton and the Broncos,

572
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 9: you know, Pete Carroll and the Raiders, Chip Kelly, they

573
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 9: want to run the football. Jim Harbaugh, they want to

574
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Speaker 9: run the football with the guys they have. They want

575
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Speaker 9: to control the clock, own time of possession, and just

576
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Speaker 9: wear you down and then knock you out at the

577
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Speaker 9: end of games. So this this division is right where

578
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 9: they want it. It's just do we have enough playmakers

579
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Speaker 9: in the past game for when people act the box,

580
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 9: because that's what teams are going to do, especially after

581
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Speaker 9: this breakout game.

582
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Speaker 5: They're going to just load up the box and force.

583
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Speaker 9: Gino Smith to beat everybody with you know, Trey Tucker,

584
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Speaker 9: Jacobe Myers and you know Brock Bowers who's wearing that

585
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 9: knee brace because he got nicked up a little bit

586
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 9: early in this season. So that's going to be where

587
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 9: they have to take their next step. And they played

588
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 9: poorly this past week and they still had a chance

589
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Speaker 9: to win it with a field goal. The Bears blocked

590
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Speaker 9: the field goal and that ended the game. But even

591
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 9: with all those mistakes and guys that aren't quite household

592
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 9: names on their roster, they found a way to play

593
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Speaker 9: some inspired football and coach Carroll has this unit playing

594
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Speaker 9: really well. So they just dropped one, you know, kind

595
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 9: of a tough loss at home, especially now they go

596
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Speaker 9: on the road to Indy.

597
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Speaker 5: So we have that game this week.

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Speaker 1: So I've two questions. One of them would be tape.

599
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Speaker 1: But here's my last question before tape. So I watched

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Speaker 1: the Packers and I said they're the youngest team in

601
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Speaker 1: the league, and there is something Remember when Seattle lost

602
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: to San Francisco Week one and I thought they outplayed him.

603
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: There is something about young teams, Seattle's young, Green Bays young.

604
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Speaker 1: There is sometimes with young teams they don't quite know

605
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Speaker 1: how to seal games when they're the better team, and

606
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a thing.

607
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Speaker 3: It's a skill.

608
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Speaker 1: There's a reason Kansas City wins all these close games

609
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia.

610
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Speaker 3: It's a skill.

611
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Speaker 1: And I think and I watched Green Bay in Dallas

612
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, they just do the clock. They're just

613
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: quite not there. That was my interpretation. Jordan loves great

614
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Speaker 1: he's playing great football. You got a terrific coach. They're

615
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: going to be fine. But it's the process of winning

616
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: games against inferior opposition. And I think it's harder than

617
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Speaker 1: fans and media think that it's a skill or am

618
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Speaker 1: I just fishing here and you don't buy it.

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Speaker 5: No, that's one hundred percent true.

620
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Speaker 9: These are learned traits and then soon it becomes part

621
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Speaker 9: of who you are and how you The coaches teach it,

622
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 9: but until the players, you know, handle it and experience it,

623
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Speaker 9: then they go back to the well for more, saying Okay,

624
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 9: that worked, I trust you, Let's keep this going. But

625
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 9: the analogy for them really is like that that little

626
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Speaker 9: league team that's like the ten year olds, and they

627
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 9: kind of stay together because they've been the youngest team

628
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 9: in the league for like three years, so they kind

629
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Speaker 9: of stay together at ten years old. But they're playing

630
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Speaker 9: up a division against the twelve and thirteen year olds.

631
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Speaker 9: So by the time they get there and they're twelve

632
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 9: and thirteen, it's like, hey, we've done this for a while,

633
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Speaker 9: now we just got to go prove it. We didn't

634
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 9: win all the tournaments before, but now we got a

635
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 9: shot in the finals every time. Now it's just doing

636
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 9: it a couple times, and then it turns into riding

637
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 9: a bike. Like teams you're talking about, like the Chiefs,

638
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 9: they just know how to win at the end, and

639
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 9: the first way to finish games is to stop beating

640
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 9: yourselves turnovers and penalties. As soon as they eliminate those

641
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 9: or even cut them in half, it's a no brainer,

642
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 9: and they might start lapping teams. They might start winning

643
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 9: by fourteen points if they get their stuff together. So

644
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 9: I think most NFL games are truly are lost and

645
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 9: you don't have to go steal them at the end.

646
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: One team will just end up giving the game away.

647
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 9: And so they're a young, deep, resilient group that can

648
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 9: survive this war of attrition that is injuries. You know,

649
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 9: it seems like they've been pretty healthy, so they have

650
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 9: a chance to run the table in their division.

651
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Speaker 5: And I like where they're headed, but you're right, it's

652
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: all about finishing.

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Speaker 1: Finally, I watch the Niners and the Jags. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the Niners special teams have been lacking to be diplomatic

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Speaker 1: for about three or four years, and that was a

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Speaker 1: part of the game. You know, Trevor Lawrence. I loved

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Speaker 1: him in college and there have been moments in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You got to play you on a show. Where are

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Speaker 1: you with Trevor Lawrence?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting because that was that was a huge

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Speaker 9: part of our broadcast last week. And you know, I

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Speaker 9: don't want to be a quarterback apologist. You know that

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Speaker 9: the numbers are the numbers. He's got over seventy turnovers

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Speaker 9: in his career and at this point in your career

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Speaker 9: going into year five, that's not okay. But you look

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Speaker 9: at the surrounding, the supporting cast, and the environment. He's

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Speaker 9: been in four different head coaches, four or five different coordinators. Finally,

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Speaker 9: he's as a coordinator that comes from that Shanahan McVeigh

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Speaker 9: kind of tree that gives him options at the line

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Speaker 9: of scrimmage. This is one of the first times he's

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Speaker 9: really had to go through an entire You hear these

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Speaker 9: quarterbacks say can can can. Well, they're going up to

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Speaker 9: the line of scrimmage with multiple plays and when they

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Speaker 9: say can they throw a play in the trash can

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Speaker 9: and get to a new play or completely audible, which

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Speaker 9: he did in won a game against Houston after playing

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Speaker 9: poorly against an all out cover zero blitz. So he's

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Speaker 9: doing a lot of this stuff and going through this

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Speaker 9: can criteria for each single run going run to run,

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Speaker 9: run to pass, run to run to pass, pass to pass.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he hasn't had to do as much of that,

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Speaker 9: and that hasn't been on his plate. His plate is

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Speaker 9: completely full. He's got a center, thank god, who's been

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Speaker 9: in the system before. I felt that with Mangold when

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Speaker 9: I got to New York as a rookie. There's a

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Speaker 9: lot to handle in the run game. And so I

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Speaker 9: think he's finally getting a chance to get these guys

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Speaker 9: in the right play, give them an advantageous shot at

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Speaker 9: each down. And you know, he took care of the

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Speaker 9: football last week, looked really good.

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Speaker 3: And part of it is this scheme.

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Speaker 9: So we're going to go to the tape and I'll

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Speaker 9: show you exactly what they're doing on the goal line.

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Speaker 9: They're using their big personnel using the best five or

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Speaker 9: six skill guys. They can get on the field and

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Speaker 9: they're putting defenders in a bind. You see a ton

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Speaker 9: of teams do this. You see McVeigh do this with Stafford.

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Speaker 9: You see all the pre snap motion and movement different personnels.

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Speaker 9: So you're gonna see the motion. It's gonna look like run.

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Speaker 9: This has to look, feel and smell like run because

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Speaker 9: everybody's playing Manda Man across the board. And if you

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Speaker 9: can get these guys to bite and get to these

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Speaker 9: specific spots with the right distribution, after you show the

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Speaker 9: presence of run and the threat of run, it makes

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Speaker 9: these guys hesitate on defense for just half a second,

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Speaker 9: and that's all you need to buy on a quick

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Speaker 9: play fake downhill. You see Hunter Long hit the end,

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Speaker 9: mikel Williams, the rookie trying to make up for Nick

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Speaker 9: Bosa and his big injury on the defensive line for

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Speaker 9: San Francisco. And there goes Siegel, the rookie having to

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Speaker 9: play again number thirty six. He's playing Manda Man against

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Speaker 9: the tight end and also has to go fit up

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Speaker 9: that run. If he gets the ball the halfback, he's

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Speaker 9: got to go hit that guy. And so Trevor places

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Speaker 9: this ball beautifully upstairs for his big target to go

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Speaker 9: grab it. Plenty of route distribution, and it looks a

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Speaker 9: lot different for him. But the real magic I see

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Speaker 9: is you know him being able to get these reps

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Speaker 9: under his belt. He's drinking through a fire hose, don't

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Speaker 9: get it twisted. He is learning a lot on the

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Speaker 9: fly and doing things he's never done before. Footwork under center,

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Speaker 9: making checks at the line. But the real secret sauce

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Speaker 9: is this Anthony Campinelli defense. Look at this turnover reel.

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Speaker 9: This is just from one game. I mean, teams would

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Speaker 9: love to have this highlight reel of all these punch outs,

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Speaker 9: these titball interceptions, brock Perties trying to run like a

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Speaker 9: little trick shot kind of play. Throw it back to

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Speaker 9: the half bag. Boom, titball Devin Lloyd, right in your grill.

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Speaker 9: Titball Devin Lloyd, same story. And then look at this punch.

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Speaker 9: Dennis Gardek, a cast away from Arizona and the Cardinals,

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Speaker 9: finds a home in Jacksonville. And then your former forty

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Speaker 9: nine er Eric Armsteng, who was a pillar on that

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Speaker 9: d line for years, punches the ball out and here

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Speaker 9: comes Foyer Lucan, you know, encroaching on a thousand tackles

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Speaker 9: in his career already. I mean, they got guys that

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Speaker 9: are completely sold out and bought in to taking the

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Speaker 9: football away. They're not happy with making the offense punt.

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Speaker 9: They want the ball back and that's it. There's no

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Speaker 9: bones about it.

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez as always money and Josh Allen on rear

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Speaker 1: View with Mark watched it. These are great episodes if

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Speaker 1: it was available. I would buy that new show if

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Speaker 1: it was available at your Fox property.

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Speaker 5: And I can't.

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Speaker 3: All right, good seeing you