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Speaker 1: where it started. Hello, my beautiful people, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Cheeky's and Chill Podcast. So last week, the Makutura

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on publishing your first book.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 2: Well, I had written some smaller, shorter pieces about my

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Speaker 1: about some of the steps people can take to change

432
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Speaker 1: the way they think about food and their bodies.

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Speaker 2: That's a big question. And yeah, but yeah, I mean,

434
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: I think one of the first things that people could

435
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: really do, like even right now, is start looking at

436
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: communities that they can be a part of that can

437
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: support even if they don't have an eating disorder, but

438
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: just want to start reframing the way they think about

439
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: food and their bodies. There are some great communities out

440
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: there for people with eating disorders who had one or

441
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: have one, or a family member might be worried. So

442
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: when they love has one, Project Heel is a great organization.

443
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: And there's an amazing group called Now Go to Positivity

444
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: Pride Oh run by this woman named Gloria Lucas, and

445
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: she has a support group called Stage and Spoon. It's

446
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: exclusively for BIPOC and they talk about these issues around

447
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: recovery and food and bodies. And something that Gloria does

448
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: with Ilgana is she deals a lot in harm reduction,

449
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: which is saying to someone and she's actually a separate

450
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: sent to talk to you. I don't want to speak

451
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: for her, but she talks a lot about how you

452
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: may be in this place where you're not being very

453
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: kind to your body, but it may be a response

454
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: to stress and trauma in your life, and no one

455
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: can expect you to just snap your fingers and get

456
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: all better. So how can we do little things harm

457
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: reduction to get you a little healthier, maybe support you

458
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: in other ways while you do what you need to

459
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: do to alleviate your stress. And it's a really compassionate,

460
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: beautiful approach, and so that's an area where that's a

461
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: community that I would refer people to as well.

462
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Speaker 1: I love that. I think it is just really about

463
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: focusing inward and that's what helped me and I stopped

464
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: listening to all that negativity because it was a lot.

465
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Speaker 1: It's a lot being thrown at me, and I'm like,

466
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: you know what, at the end of the day, these

467
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: people don't know me. What's important is what's inside me,

468
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: my heart, who I am, you know, And I can

469
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: get rid of the extra body, you know, fat or mass,

470
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: you know. So I love that. The community thing I

471
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: think is great, you guys, And I think that if

472
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: you are struggling, definitely find someone a community and therapy.

473
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Speaker 1: And I'm a huge advocate for therapy and counseling just

474
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Speaker 1: because it starts there. Like you said, there's trauma. There's

475
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: things that you know, we're dealing with that sometimes we

476
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: don't even know that we're dealing with until you speak

477
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: to someone and they help you start your healing journey

478
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: in that way, and I feel like everything else will

479
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: just will follow, you know.

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Speaker 2: There's something I just I just kind of remembered. But

481
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: there was one group I spoke with called the Body

482
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Speaker 2: Positive there in northern California, and they had these meditations

483
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: to kind of turn inward like you were talking about,

484
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: and think about you know, your body, and look at

485
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: your body in different ways. And one of the meditations

486
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: really stood out to me. It was an ancestor meditation

487
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: where you close your eyes and you think about your ancestors,

488
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: and if you don't know your ancestors, to kind of

489
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: imagine one, you know, someone who just lived a long

490
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: time ago who's connected to you. And I thought of

491
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: my great grandmother for that exercise, and I thought about

492
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: her life, which was hard. She had eight children and

493
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: she was all alone. And if you think about her

494
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: body and my body and how we are connected. This

495
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: woman I never met because she passed away so young,

496
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: but her body was went through stuff, carried stuff, and

497
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: that is a little bit somewhere in me. And if

498
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: we think about our bodies in this deeper, bigger way.

499
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we can't go around thinking about our

500
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: bodies like that. At every moment, we're functioning, we're going

501
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: to the gym, living our lives, right, But when we

502
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: had a quiet moment to think about where we came

503
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: from and the bodies that came before us. Yeah, Okay,

504
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: it gets deeper, it gets deeper.

505
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Speaker 1: I like that. I'm gonna try that. I love meditating,

506
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try that. Okay. Cool. So I just

507
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: wanted to touch a little bit on our culture, you know,

508
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like I feel for me, it was a lot in

509
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: like I would go to my grandma's house and it's like, here,

510
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: eat this in this huge plate of food, and if

511
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: you don't eat it, you don't love me. And it's

512
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: almost like I think, I want to say, that's kind

513
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: of where it started. I'm not blaming anyone, but it's

514
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: just I think it has to do with like the

515
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: portions and even living in America, and it's like everything's

516
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: big and the bigger the better, and when in reality,

517
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: we just need like a little bit to survive, you know.

518
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: And I mean growing up in a Latin household, it

519
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: was beans and rice and tortillas and a little bit

520
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: of protein, you know what I mean. And it's just

521
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: I think it's just the way I grew up and

522
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: almost like, oh, there's so many starving children in the world,

523
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: so you need to eat all your food, don't leave

524
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: anything on the plate. And you almost felt guilty, like

525
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm wasting food. You know, it's something I still struggle with,

526
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: to be.

527
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Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, I think the wasting food. I grew up

528
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: with that too.

529
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Speaker 1: You know.

530
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Speaker 2: My mom's Italian. I grew up in a family that

531
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: was all about food as celebration. And you want food,

532
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: you want food to be that right, like food should

533
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: be about celebration. But there's also that like all or

534
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: nothing thing where like if there's food scarcy, Like I

535
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: did not grow up in a food scarcy house, but

536
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: for people with food scarcity, and if you're not eating

537
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: and you don't have a lot, and then there's a

538
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: big celebration so you eat like for the week at

539
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: one dinner. I'm not saying that was your experience, but

540
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like you find that, like everyone has

541
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: a different access to food. And then culturally, if food

542
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: is celebratory, it's actually you can overeat and play in

543
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: sight and it's not seen as weird or no one's

544
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: going to notice something's wrong. I'm not saying it is weird.

545
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying that it's something very easy to do in

546
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: play insight, especially if culturally food is a big part

547
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: of celebrations, which it is for most cultures.

548
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, and it's a beautiful thing, don't get

549
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: me wrong. Like I love Mexican food, and it's like,

550
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just grew up and I learned how

551
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: to eat it and how to serve myself a realistic

552
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: amount so that I don't waste food, you know, because

553
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: I did grow up in a home where we didn't

554
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: have a lot growing up, and so whatever it is

555
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: that we had, we had to be very grateful for it,

556
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: and you know, you had to finish it, and it

557
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: was like a huge thing, which I'm like, Okay, it

558
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: was my childhood and I had a beautiful childhood, and

559
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily like complain in any way. But now

560
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: that I'm older, now I can like fix those things,

561
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: you know.

562
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: But I also think that I didn't do this research,

563
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: but this was research I read that someone else had

564
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: done that. Other diets, like the Mexican diet, Chinese diet,

565
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: other diets are not study with the same rigor as

566
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean diet, which is essentially a white European diet,

567
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of viewed as the gold standard

568
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: for healthy eating and olive oil is great for you

569
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. But the other diets

570
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: are not studied with the same thoroughness and enthusiasm, and

571
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: so what I would love to see is other diets

572
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: to be as studied as the Mediterranean diet, because the

573
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Mediterranean diet would be a great diet for people who

574
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Speaker 2: come from that part of the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I love Actually I went to Greece and

576
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: the food was amazing and I just felt so good.

577
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: It was fresh, and there was a lot of olive

578
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: oil everywhere, and that's one thing, Like I have a

579
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Speaker 1: book it was I did, like a recipe book for

580
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: keto because I wanted there to be like more Latin

581
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: flavor in my food or whatnot. And I just wanted to,

582
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: more than anything, show the Latin culture that you can

583
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: still eat all your favorite foods. It's just instead of

584
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: using lard, you can use all of oil. Like, making

585
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: small changes go a very long way, especially in your health. Obviously, yes,

586
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: you want to lose weight or whatnot, but at the

587
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's your heart health and your

588
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: cholesterol and your blood pressure. For me, it's like, now

589
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: that I'm getting older, it's like those things are what

590
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: are most important to me. So okay, cool, So tell us.

591
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: Is there a cure for this?

592
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Well, there's not a cure. It's treatable. The reason why

593
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: eating disorders, I think, have reached such epidemic proportions is

594
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: because there really isn't a standard of care. I mean,

595
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: I interviewed one of the top eating disorder researchers in

596
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: the world and I was like, what do you mean

597
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: there's no standard of care. He's like, yeah, it's really

598
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: too bad. There's no standard of care. It's like you're kidding, Like,

599
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: you go to the doctor you have an eating disorder,

600
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: and it's not like if you go to the doctor

601
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: and have depression and they say, oh, try therapy, try it,

602
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: anti depress it, whatever. They have stuff eating disorders kind

603
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: of the wild West. Some people are doing great work.

604
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Some people are doing stuff that doesn't really work, but

605
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: they won't really tell you that. Some places say we'll

606
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: get you better right away, just come here. I was

607
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: told that was a red flag if a place tells

608
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: you that they can get you better. But that's the

609
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: battle is that there isn't a cure. There isn't a guaranteed,

610
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: consistent system that works. A lot of eating disorder treatment

611
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: is for profit, doesn't take insurance maybe hasn't even been researched.

612
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: It really is unregulated, which is why I think it's

613
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: important that we ask questions make sure that the providers

614
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: that we seek are not going to also put us

615
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: on a diet while they're treating our eating disorder, which

616
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: happens that we go into a physician or a therapist

617
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: that is weight inclusive, meaning they treat people of all

618
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: sizes and are not going to judge or shame people

619
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: for whatever weight they are at find communities in the

620
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: absence of great treatment, and there are so many amazing

621
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: grassroots communities out there that can help us educate ourselves

622
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: and support our healing. And when you see the other

623
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: women that are on the other side of it, it

624
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: is so inspiring. Like for me right now, I see

625
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: so many body positive fitness like I love exercise, like

626
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: I loved it too much when I was younger. I

627
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: would exercise for hours and hours and hours. But I

628
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: don't want to not exercise because I don't have anyting

629
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: disorder anymore. Right So I looked at body positive fitness

630
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: communities and I tried to figure out what's honest exercise

631
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: for me, And so now I'm doing a lot of

632
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: heavy lifting. And I met with this trainer. I said, Dude,

633
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: I had an eating disorder. I got a lot of

634
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: problems in my relationship with my body. I don't want

635
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: to talk about toning up or leaning out or any

636
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: of the stuff. Could we just lift heavy stuff? And

637
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: he's like, cool, So we lift.

638
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Out a side because you're sweating and you're you're releasing

639
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: that whatever it is.

640
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, this is amazing workout. It's so good for

641
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: my mental health. And I can actually set a goal

642
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: that's honest where I'm not like getting unskilled seeing checking

643
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: in where ami because that's not great for me personally

644
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: some people that works me, that's not good for it

645
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: sends me down a dangerous road. Instead, I'm like, go downstairs,

646
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: get like the big box of cat litter and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah, running it up the stairs.

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Speaker 2: Right. So that's something I can measure that's healthy, that

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Speaker 2: makes me feel good and powerful and so that to

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Speaker 2: and error to get there, and it could be different

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Speaker 1: And my lovely listeners, you know, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: I think it's just being mindful every single day of

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Speaker 1: being nice, being considerate, being compassionate, because sometimes it's so easy,

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Speaker 1: you're so ugly, you're this or that. It's like you

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Speaker 1: never know what that person is going through and why

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Speaker 1: it is that perhaps they're holding onto way or not

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Speaker 1: being able to even gain weight, because sometimes some people

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Speaker 1: It's just like just live and let live you guys,

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Speaker 1: and be nice.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point. It's such a good point.

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Speaker 2: And then you think of this, this radical idea. What

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Speaker 2: if we stopped talking about women's bodies all together? What

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Speaker 2: if we stop talking about our body? What if we

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Speaker 2: when we compliment someone like you can catch yourself like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, you look amazing, did you? And then

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Speaker 2: what you're gonna say, wool was Wait what if we

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Speaker 2: stopped it? All?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yes, it'd be great. I'd rather you tell me

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Speaker 1: I love the color of your hair. You know, my god,

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Speaker 1: what beautiful eyes you have? You know? Cold before you go?

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know where we can find your book.

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Speaker 1: Is there a website? Give me your social media, anything

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Speaker 1: and everything that you want to say right now, it

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Speaker 1: is your time girl.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. The book is called What's

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Speaker 2: Eating Us Women, Food and the Epidemic of Body Anxiety.

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Speaker 2: You can buy it anywhere you buy books, Kendle hardcover, audiobook, Amazon, Audible,

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Speaker 2: anywhere you buy books. I'm on Instagram only and it's

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: I love this conversation and I hope this conversation helps

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Speaker 1: people because I think we have all struggled with this

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Speaker 1: in some point. Even still, I'm telling you guys, I

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Speaker 1: have to remind myself what's important. So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And you guys know, before we go, we always have

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Speaker 1: Hopefully here it is as you heal, you learn to

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Speaker 1: honor yourself, your feelings, and your authenticity. So that is

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Speaker 1: a quote. You guys, Thank you so much for listening Cole,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and everyone. Go out and get her book,

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