1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: I have dealt with my body image my entire life, 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: and then when I came into the television world, it 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: was like whoa, it was magnified. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: We get these messages now about diet and health. The 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: word health is kind of a stand in for weight loss. 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: You hear it all the time, so it really is 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: the air we breathe. 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: For me, I would go to my grandma's house like, here, 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: eat this in this huge plate, and if you don't 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: eat it, you don't love me. And it's almost like 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: I want to say, that's kind of where it started. Hello, 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: my beautiful people, and welcome to the Cheeky's and Chill Podcast. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: So last week, the Makutura Podcast Network hosted its first 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: live event, and guys, it was so much fun. It 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: was so nice seeing so many of your faces at 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio Theater in Burbing and I really enjoyed answering 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: your questions. So for those of you who missed the event, 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: or for those of you who want to experience it again, 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: we're going to air an episode of the live event 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: here on my podcast in a couple of weeks, so 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. I just want to give you 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: guys a heads up about that, Okay, But moving on 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: to today's episode. Today, we're going to be talking about 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: something almost everyone thinks about, food and dieting. We're also 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: going to be talking about eating disorders. So if you 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: find any of these things triggering, you might want to 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: skip the episode and listen to a previous episode. Okay, 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: let's jump into today's episode. This is Cheeky's and Chill. 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Sitting here with me today is Cole Kasten. She's an 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: award winning journalist and author of the new book What's 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Eating Us Women, Food and the Epidemic of Body Anxiety. 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: In the book, Cole talks a lot about diet culture 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: here in America and our relationship to food. Oh, I 34 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: am so happy you're here with us. Congratulations on publishing 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: your first book. 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and I'm so happy to be 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: here to you. 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: I thank you. No. I think this is a very 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: important topic, especially for women. I think men and women 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: but as women were told you're not thin enough, you're 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: this or that, and me being in the industry. So 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: we'll get into all of that in a little bit. 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: But I want to know from you, what inspired you, 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: what made you say I need to write my very 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: first book and publish it about this topic. 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: Well, I had written some smaller, shorter pieces about my 47 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: personal experience with eating disorders, and I had also written 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: some pieces as a journalist about these issues. And I 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: never really wanted to write a book because I didn't 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: want to sit in these issues any longer than I 51 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: had to write. I wanted to talk about them, but 52 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: not too much. And then I realized that these ideas, 53 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: these thoughts in my head, these things I was telling 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: my self in my head, the trouble I was having 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: living what I was hoping to be like a more normal, peaceful, 56 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: balanced life. It was not changing whether I wrote about 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: it or not. So I became more curious. Am I 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: the only one that can't resolve this? Am I the 59 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: only one that doesn't feel like I'm on the other 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: side of this? After struggling for so long? And so 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: I decided to approach this like I would a journalist, 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: instead of looking at it just as a patient or 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: as a woman. I thought, I'm going to do this 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: like a journalist and talk to people, and every single 65 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: woman I interviewed for the book had some version. We 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: all come from different backgrounds, we're all different people. But 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: we shared so much, and so much of that was 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: am I crazy? 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: Is this in my head? Is this my fault? Same 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: stuff over and over again. 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: And that's when I felt this urgency to write a book, 72 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: like let's get more information, let's get empowered from the information, 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: let's find out what's missing, which is a lot, and 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: let's try to fix it. 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, first of all, thank you so much 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: for doing this, because I have dealt with my body 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: image for my entire life, and then you know, being 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: in the industry and being a singer, being on television, 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: it was even more so. Where I knew I was 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: always thicker than all the rest of the girls at school, 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: but then when I came into the television world, it 82 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: was like whoa, it was magnified and even to the 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: point where I feel and I and I saw in 84 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: your book. I read in your book that also it's 85 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: almost like those words get they get so attached to 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: you and you believe them so much that instead of 87 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: you even losing weight, you gain more weight. Like it's 88 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: like this, like I feel like that's what happened to me, 89 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I also saw that 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: there's thirty million Americans that have eating disorders. 91 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: And that statistic is pre pandemic, so it's kind of 92 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: of the old statistic, like we really saw eating disorders 93 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: and hospitalizations for eating disorders just explode during the pandemic. 94 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: So those numbers, most of the researchers I spoke with 95 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: agreed that they're pretty it's a low ball. 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what about kids, like, how early are they 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: developing these eating disorders now? 98 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Well, being a teenager is a really common time to 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: develop an eating disorder, and that's usually when we think 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: about eating disorders. That's what we have, that's the picture 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: we have in our mind of like a teenager. Right, 102 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: kids start to have these feelings sometimes around six or 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: seven they want to lose weight. And then women who 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: are eighty have eating disorders. So even though it happens, 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's very common. But teenagers, kids that are 106 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: pretty young are starting to have these thoughts, these feelings, 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: and of course they are because we're all walking the 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: same earth, you know. 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And where do you think they're picking this up from? 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: You think it's social media, families in school. 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's so complex and it's all of 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: those things and more things. Right, So we also are 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: just born into a world that is telling us from 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: the second we are born we have to be thinner. 115 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean, your weight is evaluated from the second you 116 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: can step on a scale. Right, So we get these 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: messages now about diet and health too, Like the word 118 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: health is kind of a stand in for weight loss now, 119 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: so it's all very very blurry. But I think that 120 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: we have a really complex attitude about our bodies because 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: we get these diet messages, we get these health messages. 122 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: Doesn't everyone have someone in their family, one way or 123 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: another who was either on a diet, thinking about a diet, 124 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: talking about what was on their plate, talking about they 125 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: had to eat less. You hear it all the time. 126 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: So it really is the air we breathe. And then 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: if you add to that any sort of stress or 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: trauma in your life, done right. So these are very complex, 129 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: but it's like we have so many factors leading into 130 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: it that can put us on this course to develop 131 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: really unhealthy behaviors that can harm our bodies through restricting. 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to ask my next question, 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: what exactly does an eating disorder look like? 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: I mean, that is the question of the hour. I'm 135 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: not doshing the question. But we know that there are 136 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: some official eating disorders, like anorexia, which is really severely 137 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: restricting your food intake until you get to a certain 138 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: very low weight. 139 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 3: Where you're really restricting food. 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: There's bolima, where you're binging food and then purging it, 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: and then binge eating, which is eating large, large amounts 142 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: of food that the average person would probably not eat. 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of not really perfectly defined, right, But those 144 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: are the three eating disorders we think of. But there's 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: this whole other category of eating disorders that is based 146 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: on everything else. And if you don't fit into one 147 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: of those perfect meat categories, then you're in the everything 148 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: else category. So I'll use myself as an example. I 149 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: starved myself constantly. I was I guess you could say 150 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: anorexic because I got very very very thin and didn't eat. 151 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: But because I didn't have a particular BMI, I would 152 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: not have been officially classified as anorexic. Oh wow, So 153 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: it's called a typical anorexia, which is man. I make 154 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: a joke about this in my book. It's not funny, 155 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: not skinny enough for real anorexia. 156 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: Geez. 157 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: So you are forcing your body to get to a 158 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: weight that's way below what it wants to be, and 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: that's an eating disorder, but not really officially. So there 160 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: are so many more disorders than there are definitions. 161 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: And you feel that it's all it's like mental emotional, 162 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: like it's all, you know, because I wonder, I'm like, 163 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: is it emotional? I mean, I feel like I for 164 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: a long time, I was an emotional eater. Sure, if 165 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: I was really sad, it made me feel better to eat, 166 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, especially after losing my mom. That's when I 167 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: feel I gained the most weight and I was holding 168 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: onto it almost as if it was like, no, this 169 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: is what makes me feel safe. And then I went 170 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: through a divorce and it was even worse and it's 171 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: like no matter what, like and I would just eat, 172 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: and I would eat because it made me feel better. 173 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, is it both mental and emotional? 174 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean A lot of the new research is pointing 175 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: to the fact that these for many people have like 176 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: a brain predisposition, like your brain may not trigger fullness 177 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: the way the average person triggers fullness, or your brain 178 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: may not register hunger the way the average person registers hunger, 179 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: so you may not have a chemical regulation. So if 180 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: some people tell you, oh, just kind of eat what 181 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: you want, but your brain isn't giving you the accurate 182 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: messages about hunger and what your body needs, you can't 183 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: really do that intuitive eating thing. 184 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: Another thing on. 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: Tip top of that is, I mean you talk about 186 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: your divorce, you talk about losing your mother, that's trauma, 187 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: that's stress. So trauma sends us towards this as well. 188 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: Right, So it's very complicated. 189 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: We can't just say because a lot of people like 190 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: to talk about social media, which is fair. Social media 191 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: is not helping anyone with their body image. 192 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's so much more complex than that. 193 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I feel like some people confuse eating healthy with having 194 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: a problem with with an eating disorder. For example, if 195 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: you are eliminating carbs or fats, is that just eating healthy? 196 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: You know? 197 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: So the research from you know, I'm not a doctor, 198 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm a journalist, but the researchers I spoke with who 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: are doctors who do research this say that when you 200 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: eliminate one food or one food group, your brain and 201 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: starts to notice that food group more So, let's say 202 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: you give up bread and you're like, I'm seeing bread everywhere. Well, 203 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: that's not just you and your willpower, that's your brain. 204 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: Because like your brain doesn't care what you're wearing to 205 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: the Grammys. You know what I'm saying, Like your brain 206 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: doesn't care. She's trying to just keep you alive. So 207 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: when you say I'm giving up bread, your body's like, 208 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: we gotta find some bread. 209 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: It's it's so true. I did, yeah, And I did 210 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: keto for so long, which is very like high protein, 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: high fats, and like absolutely like no carbs, very little carbs. 212 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: And it worked, don't get me wrong. And I liked it, 213 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: and that's what I prefer most of the time. But 214 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. It's like my body was craving it 215 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: even more than when I would have it. Instead of 216 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: having a little bit, I would have a whole lot 217 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: of it. You know. So I've learned. I'm telling you, 218 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: it's been a journey my entire life. Now I finally 219 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: got him. Like, oh, it's portion control, you know. It's 220 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: like I can have everything, it's just having a little 221 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: bit of everything. If I deprive myself and I say 222 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: even the word diet for me, it's been where it's 223 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: my h I'm on a diet. It becomes like this 224 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: negative connotation where it should be. It's a lifestyle. WI change. 225 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I want to be healthy like I had. It was 226 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: a whole switch in my mind. It's like, this is 227 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: my lifestyle. I want to live longer, I want to 228 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: feel good, and in order to do that, then I 229 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: got to make these little changes. But if I want 230 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: to have a little bit of cake, I'm going to 231 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: have it, you know what I mean. It's all saying, okay, 232 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: instead of having the entire slice, I'm going to have 233 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: a few fork fools, you know what I mean. But 234 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been a journey, so I get 235 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: it completely. 236 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: But also it's hard. 237 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: You know. 238 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: What you're talking about is really important to kind of 239 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: highlight because when we change what the goal is, which 240 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: is really really really hard. We change the goal in 241 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: our head from like I'm trying to be smaller, which look, 242 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: I understand if you're a human being in the entertainment industry, 243 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: that is hard, you know, to actually think because you 244 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: have people are If you're not thinking about your body 245 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: all the time, other people around you are, right. But 246 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: I think if you think I want to have more energy, 247 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: I want to feel good, I want to sleep better, 248 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: whatever those goals are. If you can create goals that 249 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: are not around the size of your body, it would 250 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: serve you well. Because we can't control, especially as we 251 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: get older, we can control less and less with that, 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: so we might as well just be like, Okay, let 253 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: me see how I can set some different goals. 254 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it was more than anything. As I'm 255 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: getting more mature, getting older, you know, I'm more of 256 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: like concerned about my poops. It's just the truth. I'm like, 257 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: I want to poop better, you know what I mean. Like, 258 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: I want to have a better digesto system. And that's 259 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: something that I've had an issue with. Again, I've been 260 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: very like constipated. I'm always looking for fiber and all 261 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm like, I need to start maybe my 262 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: day off with like a green juice. I just I 263 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: want to get things going and flowing. And that helped 264 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: me a lot. Is like I had to remove like 265 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: you said, I want to be thinner and to please 266 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: other people. I'm like, if that, I want to feel good. 267 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: I want to have more energy, I want to sleep better. 268 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: And all this stuff gets harder to sustain, Like as 269 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: we get older. So when I was younger, and I 270 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: was starving myself, and I would eat an apple and 271 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: throw up that apple because I was so afraid of 272 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: what that would do to me. 273 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it's sick, it's sick. 274 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: I probably could not have sustained that a much longer 275 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: than I did, even though I was able to for 276 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: a long time. When you are doing behaviors that are 277 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: that extreme, h it happened, you go to the hospital 278 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: a second, it's not like you slowly start to feel 279 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: like you are in an ambulance, no notice, right, So 280 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: I know people don't want to talk about that piece 281 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: of it because it's like, oh, it's fine, I just 282 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: do that. It's like, we really have to talk about that. 283 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: You don't know until you know, but it gets real fast, 284 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: and so we have to start. It's a practice to 285 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: if we can identify that something's going on, if we 286 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: are able to seek treatment, which is really really hard. 287 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: I wish it were obvious and easier, but it is not. 288 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: That's another reason why I wrote the book to like 289 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: this this information. If you or someone you love is 290 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: struggling with this, like this is what you have to do. 291 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: You have to do a lot of work because our 292 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: culture is not set up to help people get well 293 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: from this unfortunately, but to set when you're better, to 294 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: you're getting better, to set different goals around eating an exercise, 295 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: just like you're talking about and cool. 296 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so the diet industry is a multi milli actually 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: billion dollar industry. What do you think about that? Do 298 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: you think that that says like what we value in 299 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: this world? 300 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I. 301 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: Think, yeah, we do have those values as a culture, 302 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: of course, but I also think that these companies put 303 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: more money than we could even imagine into advertising, into 304 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: selling us this, and we're being very manipulated. And so 305 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: that's when I talk to other people, I want to 306 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: always tell everyone it's not your fault, like it's you know, 307 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,359 Speaker 2: I don't want to think about all the money as 308 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: on diets and trainers all this stuff to make them, 309 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, like to change my body and not what 310 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: I was thinking about health but really just thinking about 311 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: one goal and one goal only, and that was getting smaller. 312 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: But we are being really I don't want to say 313 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: manipulated only because that makes it seem like we're not 314 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: smart enough to figure it out. It's everywhere, it is everywhere, 315 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: and it's not an accident. Companies are spending billions and 316 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: billions and billions and billions of dollars to separate us 317 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: from our money. 318 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: To lose weight. Right. 319 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: And most of the people who seek weight loss treatments, 320 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: weight loss programs, I'm one of them. Most people are 321 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: repeat customers. That's where diet companies get most of the business. 322 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: So if it's repeat customers, that means it's not working. 323 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: Otherwise every weightless company would go out of business. Instead, 324 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: it's a multi billion dollar industry. 325 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I have a nutrition company, right, And obviously 326 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: I have something it's called this s guinea stick, right, 327 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: that's like it's supposed to help you like burn fat 328 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: or whatnot. But it's like, our whole thing is wellness. 329 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: It's just really wanting to be healthy and not do 330 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: it just to be physically okay, but also internally the 331 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: most importantly internally being healthy. And do you feel that 332 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: the body positivity movement is changing anything at all? 333 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 334 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: I mean what's so tricky is this goes so deep. 335 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: So I think it's important that we see women of 336 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: different sizes. I think that's really important. I also think 337 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: though we have to learn which I didn't know that 338 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: people who are in larger bodies can be fired from 339 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: their jobs for being in a larger body like legally, 340 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: I didn't know that there were not legal protections for people. 341 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: So many many years ago, a group of cocktail servers 342 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: at a casino in Atlantic City. 343 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: They sued because their boss. 344 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Was weighing them when they went back to work, and 345 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: if they gained way, they were told they had to 346 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: leave and come back when they lost the weight. 347 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 3: That's legal. 348 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: The case was dismissed because there's no protection. We have 349 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: protections for gender, you know, sexual orientation, identity, ethnicity. No 350 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: one can fire you because you are Mexican or Italian, 351 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: but they can fire you for gaining twenty pounds. 352 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: That's insane. 353 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: So like the laws. 354 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: Need to change, right, Like New York City just passed 355 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: a law that will go into effect I think next year, 356 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: of making height and weight discrimination illegal, and so those 357 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: are now protected classes, but they're not protected federally. So 358 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: I know I'm getting so knitting gritty here, but that 359 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: connects to why doesn't someone like their body? Well, they 360 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: may not know that they can be fired, but they 361 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: can probably feel it, right, and that affects even though 362 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: these weight issues definitely affect men to they affect women 363 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: so much more, and some affects women in the workplace 364 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: in a negative way and men sometimes in a positive way. 365 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: There was a study of female political candidates and women 366 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: who were larger, heavier were not considered as trustworthy, and 367 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: men who were larger were considered more powerful. 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's crazy. 369 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: What the heck? 370 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you, like my personal experience 371 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: now that I've lost about sixty something pounds, sixty seven pounds, 372 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: I feel I see the difference in the industry how 373 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: people treat me people in the industry like it's now 374 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like and I had a whole episode 375 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: on this and it's literally, oh my gosh, now you're 376 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: so beautiful. And I'm like what, Like it's just like 377 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: now they want to touch you and hug you, and 378 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, now you can come to dinner with 379 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: us and you're part of our group. And I'm like, no, 380 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: if you don't want me at my biggest, at my largest, 381 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: at my beautifulness, then no, I'm not gonna be your friend. 382 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: It just has to change as a whole. Like you said, 383 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: like all these companies everything, everything, like that's why with 384 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: even with everything that I do, I'm like, I'm going 385 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: to have a casting call for for a body shape, 386 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: and I want to bring in the real woman, the 387 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: woman with the satellite, the curvy woman, even if there 388 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: is a size six model next to you. But it's like 389 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: coming together and uniting and showing the beauty that we 390 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: can be beautiful all shapes and sizes. It could say 391 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: something has to change. We all have to be intentional 392 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: in doing this. 393 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: And that's the thing I mean. 394 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: That was another reason I was hoping that the book 395 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: could at least inspire this that community is the way. 396 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: Out of all of this. 397 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: Community there you go, right. 398 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: That is the key. 399 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: Like I kept coming back to that, like, yes, there's 400 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: you know, some scientific research and news studies, and there 401 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: are some great people doing some great work to help people. Yes, 402 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: but community is where this is at. That is the 403 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: way out. You need other people around you, maybe who 404 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: have shared your lived experience, who you can connect with, 405 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: who you can say exactly what you just said to me, 406 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: Why weren't you coming up and hugging me when I 407 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 2: was bigger? Right? Why why didn't you see me beautiful? 408 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: Then that has to happen. But we can't do that alone. 409 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't. I talk about social media because I'm 410 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in the world and I've noticed that sometimes when I'm 411 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: on you know, people's pages, you feel a little anxious 412 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: and you feel like, you know, I'm like, I had 413 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: to kind of remove myself and say I'm just gonna 414 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: post and go about my day and not stay stuck 415 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: on social media because a lot of these lifestyles, a 416 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of these bodies, which they're beautiful, you know, it's 417 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: nice to see and look at, but it's a huge facade, 418 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of them have the money to make 419 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: their bodies that way, and it's like it's a whole thing. 420 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: That's a whole I feel like other episode. But it 421 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: does cause a little bit of like anxiety, which is 422 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: why it's like, hey, we have to be considerate and passionate, 423 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: and everyone is beautiful, no matter your size, no matter 424 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: you know. It's all about wanting to I think there's 425 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: room for improvement for all of us, and wanting to 426 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: be healthier, of course, but that doesn't mean because I'm 427 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: twenty pounds heavier than you, I'm less pretty or smart, 428 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: you know. 429 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you brought up anxiety too, because like 430 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: we think about eating disorders or any kind of disordered eating, 431 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: and I think the first thought I had is, you know, 432 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: I knew someone who. 433 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: Had a heart attack. 434 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: I was researching some of the like immediate health dangers. 435 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: But if you look past that, there is an intensity 436 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: of anxiety, an intensity of depression. 437 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: If you're feeling. 438 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: Bad about your body, you may be less likely to 439 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: want to go outside your house to exercise, You may 440 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: not want to go to the doctor because you kind 441 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: of feel about your body. So having other people tell 442 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: you negative things about your body or just feeling that 443 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: way really increases a lot of these mental health issues 444 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: besides the eating part. 445 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Right, No, no, yeah, absolutely, And in your book it 446 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: also talks about recovery and mental health. Can you talk 447 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: about some of the steps people can take to change 448 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the way they think about food and their bodies. 449 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 3: That's a big question. 450 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: And yeah, but yeah, I mean, I think one of 451 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: the first things that people could really do, like even 452 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: right now, is start looking at communities that they can 453 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: be a part of that can support even if they 454 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: don't have an eating disorder, but just want to start 455 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: reframing the way they think about food and their bodies. 456 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: There are some great communities out there for people with 457 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: eating disorders who had one or have one, or a 458 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: family member might be worried. So when they love has one, 459 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: Project Heel is a great organization. 460 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 3: And there's an. 461 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: Amazing group called Now Go to Positivity Pride Oh run 462 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: by this woman named Gloria Lucas, and she has a 463 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: support group called Stage and Spoon. It's exclusively for BIPOC 464 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: and they talk about these issues around recovery and food 465 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 2: and bodies. And something that Gloria does with Ilgana is 466 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: she deals a lot in harm reduction, which is saying 467 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: to someone and she's. 468 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: Actually a separate sent to talk to her. I don't 469 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: want to speak. 470 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: For her, but she talks a lot about how you 471 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: may be in this place where you're not being very 472 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: kind to your body, but it may be a response 473 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: to stress and trauma in your life, and no one 474 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: can expect you to just snap your fingers and get 475 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: all better. So how can we do little things harm 476 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: reduction to get you a little healthier, maybe support you 477 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: in other ways while you do what you need to 478 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: do to alleviate your stress. And it's a really compassionate, 479 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: beautiful approach and so that's an area where that's a 480 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: community that I would refer people to as well. 481 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: I love that. I think it is just really about 482 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: focusing inward and that's what helped me and I stopped 483 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: listening to all that negativity because it was a lot. 484 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: It's a lot being thrown at me, and I'm like, 485 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: you know what, at the end of the day, these 486 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: people don't know me. What's important is what's inside me, 487 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: my heart, who I am, you know, And I can 488 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: get rid of the extra body, you know, fat or mass, 489 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: you know. So I love that. The community thing I 490 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: think is great, you guys, And I think that if 491 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: you are struggling, definitely find someone a community and therapy. 492 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: And I'm a huge advocate for therapy and counseling just 493 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: because it starts there. Like you said, there's trauma. There's 494 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: things that you know, we're dealing with that sometimes we 495 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: don't even know that we're dealing with until you speak 496 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: to someone and they help you start your healing journey 497 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: in that way, and I feel like everything else will 498 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: just will follow, you know. 499 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: There's something I just I just kind of remembered. But 500 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: there was one group I spoke with called the body 501 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: Positive there in northern California, and they had these meditations 502 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: to kind of turn inward like you were talking about, 503 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: and think about you know your body and look at 504 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: your body in different ways. And one of the meditations 505 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: really stood out to me. It was an ancestor meditation 506 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: where you close your eyes and you think about your 507 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: ancestors and if you don't know your ancestors, to kind 508 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: of imagine one, you know, someone who just lived a 509 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: long time ago who's connected to you. And I thought 510 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: of my great grandmother for that exercise, and I thought 511 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: about her life, which was hard. 512 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: She had eight children and she was all alone. And 513 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: if you think. 514 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: About her body and my body and how we are connected. 515 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: This woman I never met because she passed away so young, 516 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: but her body was went through stuff, carried stuff, and 517 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: that is a little bit somewhere in me. And if 518 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: we think about our bodies in this deeper, bigger way, 519 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we can't go around thinking about our 520 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: bodies like that. At every moment, we're functioning, we're going 521 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: to the gym, living our lives, right, But when we 522 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: had a quiet moment to think about where we came 523 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: from and the bodies that came before us. Yeah, Okay, 524 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: it gets deeper, it gets deeper. 525 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: I like that. I'm gonna try that. I love meditating, 526 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try that. Okay. Cool. So I just 527 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: wanted to touch a little bit on our culture, you know, 528 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: like I feel for me, it was a lot in 529 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: like I would go to my grandma's house and it's like, here, 530 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: eat this in this huge plate of food, and if 531 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: you don't eat it, you don't love me. And it's 532 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: almost like I think, I want to say, that's kind 533 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: of where it started. I'm not blaming anyone, but it's 534 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: just I think it has to do with like the 535 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: portions and even living in America, and it's like everything's 536 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: big and the bigger the better, and when in reality, 537 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: we just need like a little bit to survive, you know. 538 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: And I mean growing up in a Latin household, it 539 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: was beans and rice and tortillas and a little bit 540 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: of protein, you know what I mean. And it's just 541 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: I think it's just the way I grew up and 542 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: almost like, oh, there's so many starving children in the world, 543 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: so you need to eat all your food, don't leave 544 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: anything on the plate. And you almost felt guilty like 545 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm wasting food. You know, it's something I still struggle with, 546 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: to be. 547 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, I think the wasting food. 548 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: I grew up with that too, you know. My mom's Italian. 549 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: I grew up in a family that was all about 550 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: food as celebration. 551 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: And you want. 552 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: Food, you want food to be that right, like food 553 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: should be about celebration. But there's also that like all 554 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: or nothing thing where like if there's food scarcy, Like 555 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: I did not grow up in a food scarcy house, 556 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: but for people with food scarcity, and if you're not 557 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: eating and you don't have a lot, and then there's 558 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: a big celebration, so you eat like for the week 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 2: at one dinner. 560 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that was your experience, but I'm. 561 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: Just saying, like you find that, like everyone has a 562 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: different access to food. And then culturally, if food is celebratory, 563 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: it's actually you can overeat and play in sight and 564 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: it's not seen as weird or no one's going to 565 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: notice something's wrong. I'm not saying it is weird. I'm 566 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: saying that it's something very easy to do in play insight, 567 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: especially if culturally food is a big part of celebrations, 568 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: which it is for most cultures. 569 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it is, and it's a beautiful thing, don't get 570 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: me wrong. Like I love Mexican food, and it's like, 571 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, I just grew up and I learned how 572 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: to eat it and how to serve myself a realistic 573 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: amount so that I don't waste food, you know, because 574 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: I did grow up in a home where we didn't 575 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: have a lot growing up, and so whatever it is 576 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: that we had, we had to be very grateful for it, 577 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: and you know, you had to finish it, and it 578 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: was like a huge thing, which I'm like, Okay, it 579 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: was my childhood and I had a beautiful childhood, and 580 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: I can't necessarily like complain in any way. But now 581 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: that I'm older, now I can like fix those things, 582 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: you know. 583 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: But I also think that I didn't do this research, 584 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: but this was research I read that someone else had 585 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: done that. Other diets, like the Mexican diet, Chinese diet, 586 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: other diets are not study with the same rigor as 587 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: the Mediterranean diet, which is essentially a white European diet, 588 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: and so it's kind of viewed as the gold standard 589 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: for healthy eating. And olive oil is great for you 590 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, But the other diets 591 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: are not studied with the same thoroughness and enthusiasm, and 592 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: so what I would love to see is other diets 593 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: to be as studied as the Mediterranean diet, because the 594 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: Mediterranean diet would be a great diet for people who 595 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: come from that part of the world. 596 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: Yes, and I love Actually I went to Greece and 597 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: the food was amazing and I just felt so good. 598 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: It was fresh, and there was a lot of olive 599 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: oil everywhere, and that's one thing, Like I have a 600 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: book it was I did, like a recipe book for 601 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: keto because I wanted there to be like more Latin 602 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: flavor in my food or whatnot. And I just wanted to, 603 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: more than anything, show the Latin culture that you can 604 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: still eat all your favorite foods. It's just instead of 605 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: using lard, you can use all of oil. Like, making 606 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: small changes go a very long way, especially in your health. Obviously, yes, 607 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: you want to lose weight or whatnot, but at the 608 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's your heart health and your 609 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: cholesterol and your blood pressure. For me, it's like, now 610 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: that I'm getting older, it's like those things are what 611 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: are most important to me. So okay, cool, so tell us, 612 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: is there a cure for this? 613 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, there's not a cure. It's treatable. The reason why 614 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: eating disorders, I think, have reached such epidemic proportions is 615 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: because there really isn't a standard of care. I mean, 616 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: I interviewed one of the top eating disorder researchers in 617 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: the world, and I was like, what do you mean 618 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: there's no standard of care. 619 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, it's really too bad. There's no standard 620 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: of care. 621 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: It's like you're kidding, Like, you go to the doctor 622 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: you have an eating disorder, and it's not like if 623 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: you go to the doctor and have depression and they say, oh, 624 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: try therapy, try it, anti depress it, whatever. They have 625 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: stuff eating disorders kind of the wild West. Some people 626 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: are doing great work. Some people are doing stuff that 627 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: doesn't really work, but they won't really tell you that. 628 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: Some places say we'll get you better right away, just 629 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: come here. I was told that was a red flag 630 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: if a place tells you that they can get you better. 631 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: But that's the battle is that there isn't a cure. 632 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: There isn't a guaranteed, consistent system that works. A lot 633 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: of eating disorder treatment is for profit doesn't take insurance, 634 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: maybe hasn't even been researched. It really is unregulated, which 635 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: is why I think it's important that we ask questions 636 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: make sure that the providers that we seek are not 637 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: going to also put us on a diet while they're 638 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: treating our eating disorder, which happens that we go into 639 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: a physician or a therapist that is weight inclusive, meaning 640 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: they treat people of all sizes and are not going 641 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: to judge or shame people for whatever weight they are 642 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: at find communities in the absence of great treatment, and 643 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: there are so many amazing grassroots communities out there that 644 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: can help us educate ourselves and support our healing. And 645 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: when you see the other women that are on the 646 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: other side of it. 647 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: It is so inspiring. 648 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: Like for me right now, I see so many body 649 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: positive fitness like I love exercise, like I loved it 650 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: too much when I was younger. I would exercise for 651 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours. But I don't want to 652 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: not exercise because I don't have anyting disorder anymore, right 653 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: So I looked at body positive fitness communities and I 654 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: tried to figure out what's honest exercise for me. And 655 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: so now I'm doing a lot of heavy lifting, and 656 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: I met with this trainer. I said, Dude, I had 657 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: an eating disorder. I got a lot of problems in 658 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: my relationship with my body. I don't want to talk 659 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: about toning up or leaning out or any of the stuff. 660 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: Could we just lift heavy stuff? And he's like, cool, 661 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: So we lift out a side. 662 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: Because you're sweating and you're you're releasing that whatever it is. 663 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: You know, this is amazing workout. It's so good for 664 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: my mental health. 665 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: And I can actually set a goal that's honest where 666 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm not like getting unskilled seeing checking in where ami, 667 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: because that's not great for me personally some people that 668 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: works me, that's not good for it sends me down 669 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: a dangerous road. Instead, I'm like, go downstairs, get like 670 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: the big box of cat litter, and I'm. 671 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: Like, heck yeah, running it up the stairs. 672 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: Right. 673 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: So that's something I can measure that's healthy, that makes 674 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: me feel good and powerful, and so that to me 675 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: has something, But it takes a lot of trial and 676 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: error to get there, and it could be different for 677 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: each person. 678 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: And my lovely listeners, you know, I'm not saying that 679 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: any of you guys are cyberbullize or anything like that. 680 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: I think it's just being mindful every single day of 681 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: being nice, being considerate, being compassionate, because sometimes it's so easy, 682 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: especially on social media, to say, oh, you're so fat, 683 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: you're so ugly, you're this or that. It's like you 684 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: never know what that person is going through and why 685 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: it is that perhaps they're holding onto way or not 686 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: being able to even gain weight, because sometimes some people 687 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: can't gain weight and you're like, oh, you're too skinny. 688 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: It's just like just live and let live you guys, 689 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: and be nice. 690 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: That's such a good point. It's such a good point. 691 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: And then you think of this, this radical idea. What 692 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: if we stopped talking about women's bodies all together? What 693 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 2: if we stop talking about our body? What if we 694 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 2: stopped thinking about someone else's body? What if we even 695 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: when we compliment someone like you can catch yourself like, oh. 696 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 3: My god, you look amazing? 697 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: Did you? 698 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 3: And then what you're gonna say? Who was? 699 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: Wait? 700 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: What if we stopped it all? 701 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: Right? Yes, it'd be great. I'd rather you tell me 702 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: I love the color of your hair. You know, my god, 703 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: what beautiful eyes you have? You know? Cold before you go? 704 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to know where we can find your book. 705 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: Is there a website? Give me your social media, anything 706 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: and everything that you want to say right now, it 707 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: is your time girl. 708 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. 709 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 2: The book is called What's Eating Us Women, Food and 710 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: the Epidemic of Body Anxiety. 711 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 3: You can buy it. 712 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: Anywhere you buy books, Kendle hardcover, audiobook, Amazon, Audible, anywhere 713 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 2: you buy books. I'm on Instagram only and it's at 714 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: Cole Kasten col E k z d N and my 715 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: name is also my website, but people can find me 716 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: in any of those places. 717 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. 718 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 1: I love this conversation and I hope this conversation helps 719 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: people because I think we have all struggled with this 720 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: in some point. Even still, I'm telling you guys, I 721 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: still it's an everyday thing for me and I just 722 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: have to remind myself what's important. So thank you so much. 723 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: And you guys know, before we go, we always have 724 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: a quote to start your week off on the right foot. 725 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: Hopefully here it is as you heal, you learn to 726 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: honor yourself, your feelings and your authenticity. So that is 727 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: a quote you guys. Thank you so much for listening, Cole, 728 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate you and everyone. Go out and get her book, 729 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: follow her on Instagram, check her out, and I will 730 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: hopefully talk to you soon. Do you need advice on love, relationships, 731 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: health emails? 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