1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Ah boy, welcome to it could happen here a podcast 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: about things falling apart and sometimes stuff that's less depressing 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: than that. This is gonna be a mix of both 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: of those things. I'm Robert Evans. My co hosts for 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: today are James Stout and Mia Wong. How are we both? 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: How are we all? How's everybody? How's everybody feeling? 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: I'm anticipating eagerly the topic of today's episode, So I'm 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: excited like a kid Christmas. 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: So, James, that answers my question for you. But Mia, 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of Lord Miles Rutledge. 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 4: I have seen him on Twitter and I cannot express 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 4: how excited I. 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 5: Am for this. 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: So we are talking about a real piece of shit today. 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: This is kind of relevant to our I try to 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: always justify, you know, our purview is broadly speaking, collapse, 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: you know what we call the crumbles, and Miles Rutledge 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: is a perfect example of the kind of grifters and 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: conmen who sort of sort of seep in at the 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: edges of war and disaster and calamity and have for forever. 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, they're in behind the bastards. We've done a 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: couple episodes on, like different white people who tried at 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: various points to like conquer Latin American nations, and like 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: the seventeen and eighteen hundreds, just kind of during these 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: periods of there would be a bunch of rebellions going on, 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: and so like some group of mercenaries would be like, 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: I bet we can like steal Nicaragua, right, let's Goways 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: wear the shot. You know, you get these kind of 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: like these kind of people, and Lord Myles Rutledge is 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: sort of the lower body count end of that, but 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: in some ways a lot more frustrating because at least, look, 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: there's there's something respectable about trying to violently conquer another 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: country and then getting yourself. There's at least like a 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: degree of honesty there. This guy, Miles Rutledge is like 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: purely but like doing war tourism in order to like 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: pump his his TikTok and his Instagram and his YouTube. 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: And I find that worse than like, I don't know, 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: those guys who tried to overthrow Venezuela and got captured 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: by fishermen, so they were great, yeah, and then laid 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,279 Speaker 1: in their own piss on camera. Beautiful story, perfect. 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 5: Story, took a be begun with them. 43 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Such a good story, and this one has a similar 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: this story, thankfully, Miles the story has has a is 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: an ending almost that satisfying. So Miles Rutledge was born 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: on James. Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you in 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: for a second. How do I spell this last name 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: r O U T l E d g E. 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: He's British age Routledge on believe if it's the same 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: as the academic publisher which which is spelled the same, 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: and then it's Routledge. And look, I don't give a 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: fuck about I Skyfields, so let's just say, how have 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 2: we won? 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So Miles Routledge was born on September fourteenth, 55 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, probably somewhere near Birmingham. Uh, I don't 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: think we have like like it's just kind of based 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: on shit, he said. But yeah, I don't see why 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: he'd probably he'd lie about that. I don't think people 59 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: brag about coming from Birmingham. 60 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. Wow, it's wonder like. Yeah. Yeah. 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, thanks to generations of medical advancements, he survived 62 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: to adulthood. Because he does strike me as the kind 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: of person who wouldn't have done that in like the 64 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. He got into the University of I'm gonna 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: need your help here again, James Lowborough, Luffborough, Luffbrough. Unbelievable. 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: That sounds like an incredibly obscure World War two German 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: aerial division or something. 68 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like the every bro each 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: section of the LUFTWAFFA. So he gets into the University 70 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: of luft Bro as a fucking physics student, or so 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: he says, And sometime within the last two years he 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: got an internship at an investment banking firm. 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 5: So a kind of guy. 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: He's laser targeted on a career as a giant piece 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: of shit. But I haven't found much in my casual 76 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: research about his financial situation or how much money he 77 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: was born into. But I think he was, like I'm 78 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: gonna guess his parents were at least comfortable, because as 79 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: a young man still in college, he had the funds 80 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: to travel pretty extensively, starting in twenty nineteen when he 81 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: visited the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. Now, this is one of 82 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: the most popular destinations in the world for what is 83 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: called dark tourism, and this is largely this is people 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: who live kind of boring lives otherwise traveling to places 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: that sound scary in order to impress people on like 86 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: TikTok or whatever. Now I just said that, but like, 87 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong. Now there's like a 88 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: lot of problems with getting to Chernobyle because of the war, 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: but like prior to the expand innovation, I don't think 90 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with wanting to like see Chernobyle. Mike 91 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: thinking on like the ethics of going somewhere dangerous or 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: whatever is like, are you increasing the odds of like 93 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: causing a problem that diverts medical resources or other resources 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: in a way that like harms people who have no 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: choice in being there? Right, and visiting Chernobyl whatever, You're 96 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: not really putting anyone at risk, So that's fine. But 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: in May of twenty twenty one, though, Miles Rutledge made 98 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: the decision to plan a trip to somewhere that was 99 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: distinctly not fine to visit as a tourist, Afghanistan. Now 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: he decided to head over there during kind of the 101 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: end stages of the war. Although if you guys can 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: remember back that far, the collapse of the Afghan government 103 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: that the United States had backed happened more rapidly than 104 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: most people had predicted, so it was kind of like 105 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: less clear. I think when he booked his trip that 106 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: thinks we're going to fall apart quite that quickly. 107 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, humor to feel the same way about that. 108 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, it's one of those things where, 109 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: like Miles, you know, his plan to go there was 110 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: again not as like he's not heading there as a journalist. 111 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: There's not like a story he wants to tell. He's 112 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: not traveling there for kind of a practical purpose, Like 113 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: he really does frame this as just he wanted to 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: go on vacation, and he wanted to go on vacation 115 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: specifically for what I think is probably like the dumbest 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: reason I've ever heard of anyone choosing of a vacation location, 117 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: especially choosing fucking Afghanistan as a vacation location. I'm going 118 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: to play a clip from one of his YouTube videos. 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 5: Now, why am I in Afghanistan? Well, that's a really 120 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 5: good question. 121 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 6: During COVID lockdowns, Afghanistan was the only country open round 122 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 6: of vaccine mandate. 123 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: So I just think I've never heard his voice before. 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 5: I'm more angry. 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: Now he gives to Afghanistan because they don't have a 126 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: fucking vaccine mandate. 127 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: Oh my fucking god, real warrior for freedom. 128 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, just the just the dumbest idiot. I hate him 129 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: so anyway, as a result of wanting to avoid the 130 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate, Miles joined the long and historic line of 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: young British men who have gone out to Afghanistan on 132 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: a lark. Unfortunately, unlike many of them, Miles would survive 133 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: his adventure. He does not seem to have a regular 134 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Wikipedia yet, but he does have an entry on something 135 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: called everybody Wiki, which yeah, yeah, which I hadn't heard 136 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: it that one before, but it's it very hilariously lists 137 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: his occupation as quote, posting online during the twenty twenty 138 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: one seeche of Kabul. 139 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: That's great. 140 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 5: That's that's actually Tim Kennedy. That's great. 141 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: So for obvious reasons, he encountered difficulties. 142 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 7: Uh. 143 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: He wind wound up sleeping by the side of the 144 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: road one night he was taken into Taliban custody. While 145 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: he makes a big deal out of this, I actually 146 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: don't think he was ever in serious danger, particularly not 147 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: compared to, for example, the people fighting and dying or 148 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: the civilians and said he's taken by the Taliban, who 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: had to endure an often violent change of regime when 150 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the Taliban was taking over here. And lets you know, 151 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: obviously there's the danger of like accidents on the road, 152 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: which is always a significant danger in a place called 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: like Afghanistan. There's the danger of you know, being caught 154 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: up in a fight or something potentially, But the Taliban 155 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: in this kind of late stage of their takeover, had 156 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: no desire to harm a British citizen like Miles, or 157 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: to harm like, you know, Americans who were in the country. 158 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: And in fact, we're working kind of in the later 159 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: stages of the US evacuation to try to make sure 160 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: it happened and peacefully. Not because the Taliban are such 161 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: good guys, but because like there's no geopolitical benefit to 162 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: them from like a random British traveler dying. It's just 163 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: gonna cause problems for them. 164 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just stress and the. 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, like they didn't have like I don't believe they 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: were the Taliban was ever like threatened his life in 167 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: any way. Miles, though, posted through it, reporting that he 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: was stuck in a pickle and giving details of his 169 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: experience to fans on four Chan and Twitch, he started 170 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: using the name James. You had asked about this, he 171 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: started using the name Lord Miles due to the fact 172 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: that he had purchased a fifteen pound lordship certificate as a. 173 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 8: Bit I knew it. 174 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, not that surprising. Huh. 175 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 5: What can't say that? 176 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: Sorry, no, you can You're you're You're British. It's fine, okay, Daniel, Yeah, 177 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: I leave that one in. That is my conviction. I 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: what a twat, Sorry, what an absolute prick because he's 179 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: what's really fun frustra with everything about his existence is 180 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: frustrating right now. 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 9: So it's what's so annoying is he's playing this fucking 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 9: twee parochial version of Britishness for an exclusively in American audience. Right, 183 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 9: if you're born near fucking Birmingham, we're not all we 184 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 9: are not all pride and prejudice people. 185 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: And if you've moved to another country, you will constantly 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: encounter people thinking you grew up in Harry Potterland. But like, 187 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: we're not all turfs either, But like he's fucking doing 188 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: it like and he's doing it like a naive America 189 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: like there are like the Scottish Parliament has made statements 190 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: about not buying these stupid Scottish titles. 191 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, here's a prayer. 192 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very silly. He justified this by saying, 193 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: because I think he buys it while he's in Afghanistan, 194 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: he explained to his followers, the Taliban may see that 195 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: as a reason to keep me alive some negotiating powder power, 196 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: as they'll think I'm important. They don't care. They don't 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: want any fucking Westerners dying in the country because that 198 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: will fuck up their chances of, like you know, they 199 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: want to get integrated to the like fucking global economy. 200 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: They want to qualify for like loans and ship like 201 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: they don't want to. They don't want the problems that 202 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: you dying bring, like you being a lord has not 203 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: going to impact this in anyway. 204 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they don't. I don't want like the British 205 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: government deciding like, oh, ship, they killed someone, now we 206 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 4: need to just bomb like cobble for eight months or whatever. 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 5: Now. 208 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to say in his defense because I 209 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: would not like to speak in his defense, but I 210 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: will say that the one person who might be conned 211 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: by a lordship you bought online is Boris Johnson? 212 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, have an impact on Bojo, yah, but it is 213 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: It is not defense. 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 4: It's not like Bojo's gonna be sticking around for very long. 215 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: Right. 216 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: You have to like you every every every like seven weeks, 217 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: you are rolling a dice as to whether the Conservative 218 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: PM is someone you can con with the lordship title. 219 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 220 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: Well, none of them in the last few years have 221 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: been what I would call intellectual titans. 222 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: That's true. 223 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: But but but Hope springs a turtle, Rishi sud acts 224 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: in trouble too, so they might I don't know, a 225 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: brave shot. 226 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 2: You just really go down the fast road. 227 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: I really I feel sorry for you all across the pond. 228 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to have 229 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: your politicians be national laughing stocks. I mean, that's just 230 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: gotta be that's just got to be hard. No American, 231 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: we know, we'll ever know what that's like. 232 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: We are ruled by the hero of Ireland. 233 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Oh I I was gonna talk about you know, my hero, 234 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the governor of Florida and his best friend, the pedophile 235 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: who just committed suicide. This a different pedophile, No, this 236 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: is the pedophile who like backed Santus's like early political 237 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: rise and now just killed himself after he got exposed. 238 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: Oh so it's Alexander. 239 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 5: Okay, never mind, this is a different pedophile. I'm every 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 5: day there's a new one. I can't it's not Mike Gates. 241 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 5: Who's other friend who's also a pedophile. 242 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Now you know who I cannot prove at this point 243 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: is a pedophile, Miles Rutledge. 244 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 5: So let's get back to his story, please. 245 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: So he also claimed during this period where he's kind 246 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: of like quote unquote on the run, that the four 247 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: Chan users he was posting with kept him alive by 248 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: giving him updates on Taliban progress through Osent as they 249 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: advanced through Kabul. That's broadly speaking not impossible. So the 250 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: idea that Miles again, I don't believe he was ever 251 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: threatened by the Taliban. They're again not nice people, but 252 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: they're not like unhinted, they're not isis you know, they 253 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: they are a government. They don't have a benefit in 254 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: something bad happening to someone like him. So Miles, though, 255 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: played up the idea that he was something between a tourist, 256 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: a journalist, and a philanthropist. Building his trip to Afghanistan 257 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: is a quote little charity thing. At the same time, 258 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: as he said that he was prepared for death when 259 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: he couldn't immediately secure a way out of the country. 260 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Eventually a United Nations safe house took him in and 261 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: he was given a seat on one of the last 262 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: planes out of the country. Now this is an actual actor. Yeah, 263 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: that's frustrating because like there are people in danger from 264 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: the Taliban who had couldn't leave, right, Like he took 265 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: one of their spaces. Somebody didn't get out who is 266 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: in danger because of him. 267 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, like very good friends of mine, like I spent 268 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: much of that time, like I've written about Afghanistan, I've 269 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: worked with translators and like good friends of mine sometimes 270 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: and left Afghanistan, but many of them still have their 271 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: families there, right, and every single day they have anxiety 272 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: about whether their faunilies are okay, if something terrible has 273 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: happened to them. Yeah, and this twat is just like 274 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: sitting on a plane posting on four chaney Like that 275 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: makes me properly angry. 276 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's and that's again what I was talking about, Like, 277 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: if you're going to if you're gonna go to a 278 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: place that is that is beset by conflict, you know, 279 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: by civil war, by violence or anything like that. Number One, 280 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: you have responsibility to like have a reason to go beyond. 281 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: I wonder what it's like. And you have a responsibility 282 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: to not make things worse for people who don't have 283 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: a choice about being there. 284 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: And he did. 285 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's like fundamentally why I hate this guy 286 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: is he absolutely took an opportunity to escape from I 287 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: don't know, some woman's rights activist or something, you know, 288 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: some somebody who was some turp or something, somebody who 289 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: didn't have a choice about fucking being stuck in Afghanistan. 290 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, just some fuck you wanted a fair cracket life. 291 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: And and yeah there's a prick. Yeah yeah, I mean 292 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: it's yeah. And he could have stayed. I have friends 293 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: who stayed through that time and covered it, like your 294 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: concern is for your sources, not yourself. 295 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 296 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: Or he could have done the thing that his ancestors didn't, 297 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: just walk across the border Pakistan like. 298 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 5: Your ancestors did this. 299 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: This is the one thing like hell. 300 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: Through the Kyber Pass and then becomes Sherlock Holmes his 301 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: best friend. You know, that's a proud tradition, which. 302 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna go with dying man, which 303 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: would have also been a very well. 304 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 5: That's another proud tradition. 305 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: Getting sniped by a jizil in the fucking uh Kaiber Pass. 306 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely so. He had a marvelous time in Afghanistan and 307 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: immediately pivoted because he built up a big social media 308 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: following around his posts there, pivoted to a career as 309 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a dark tourist influencer. He traveled next to an ireland, 310 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: not an Ireland. He traveled next to an island in Brazil. 311 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: There's this island off the coast of Brazil that like, 312 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to go to because there's so 313 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: many fucking snakes. Like it's just it's extremely dangerous to 314 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: go there because it's covered in fucking snakes. And he 315 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: like went there where armor, but he didn't actually run 316 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: into any snakes because snakes don't, like you know, they're 317 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: not generally aggressive, most of them. He got arrested in 318 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Kenya for as best as I can tell, being a 319 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: prick nearer refugee camp, and then he traveled to Ukraine 320 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: right after the expanded invasion to Ukraine to try to 321 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: make the suffering of hundreds of thousands of. 322 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 5: People about him. 323 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: The highlight of that trip was he claims that he 324 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: drove a woman and her kid out of the country 325 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: and rescued them and also brought people snacks whatever. Miles 326 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: has always been two things. He's deeply enmeshed in right 327 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: wing meme culture, and he is at least superficially committed 328 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: to Christian extremism. He is like kind of at least 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: it like signals as a fundamentalist Christian. He's like, he's 330 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: super fashy right, but this is not like a hidden 331 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: thing within his videos and stuff. I found one write 332 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: up of him on a right wing religious news website 333 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of how he builds himself 334 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: to his ideal audience. Miles Routledge is a self described Catholic, 335 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: independent war journalist and charity on the ground. At just 336 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: twenty one, he had to do Afghanistan when the Taliban 337 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: seized control, and now he's in Ukraine giving refreshing updates 338 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: that are peppered with humor, reality, and a little naivete. 339 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: In the past, Routledge went to war torn countries and 340 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: into areas no NGO or charity dared to go according 341 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: to his GoFundMe Paige, so he can hand out bibles, food, 342 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: medicine and money. 343 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's a special place in hell for some time 344 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: giving a stopping person a bible. 345 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like he never went to places other 346 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: people wouldn't dare to go. I will guarantee you everywhere 347 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: he went, there were already like people like the Freeburmer 348 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: rangers or even medicine sands, frontiers or journalists without borders, 349 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: like there were there were people there. Because he's not 350 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: He's not like I've seen his videos, He's not going 351 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: anywhere special. 352 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: Yea, there how many people are recallable, like ten million people? 353 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 5: Yes, these are big cities. He's before million people. 354 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: Sure, playing off of kind of the provincialism of his 355 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: audience and the fact that most people in the West 356 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: when they hear Afghanistan or now Ukraine when they hear it, 357 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: or like even like a place like Kenya which is 358 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: like a massive country with major cities and all sorts 359 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: of stuff like that, like oh, these places are just 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: death traps and you don't go there, and like no 361 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: man even like I would get this when I'd go 362 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: to I've spent a lot, visited Arax seven or eight times, 363 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, man, it's like most of it's 364 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: just a country. Like, yeah, there's specific things you have 365 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: to keep in mind that are dangerous, but like it's 366 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: just a place, like millions of people live there and 367 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: don't die every day. 368 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is ludicrous to suggest that he was in 369 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: any Yeah, like you could go to all these places 370 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: and stay in a five star hotel and yeah, like 371 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: you're not in any danger, especially as a. 372 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 5: Rich white British guy parading ground by. 373 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, to the extent that he's like in Ukraine and 374 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: traveling near the front where there's like random missiles and shelling, 375 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah there's some danger, but again it's danger that he 376 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: is exposed, using himself to unnecessarily and then creating a 377 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: situation whereby if he is injured, that's a bunch of 378 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: morphine and antibiotics that can't go to a fucking civilian 379 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: who had no choice because they were raised in Constantinifa 380 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, Like, yeah, fucking yeah, he's a 381 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: praise Yeah, yeah, so I mentioned a little earlier, he's 382 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: definitely a fascist. And you know when I say that, 383 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: sometimes people do the whole ou lefties will call anything 384 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: a fascist. Don't worry, I have some receipts on this one. 385 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: So shortly after his famous trip to Afghanistan, he published 386 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: a book about his very brief time in the country. 387 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: This book included some interesting claims, like that he was 388 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: the last person to enter the country on a tourist 389 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: visa before the fall of Kabul, and that his visa 390 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: had required a personal statement explaining his reasons for visiting. 391 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: He wrote, quote, my response was simply an a four 392 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: sheet of paper with only the word fun written on it. 393 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: It was accepted without quest. I was ready for my 394 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: very own white boy summer. He also notes that the 395 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: last right, which was at the time kind of like 396 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: a meme and you know, fashy online Nazi circles, It 397 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: was all over telegram. 398 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: He also. 399 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: Very problematic child. 400 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, although not problematic in this sense. Chet did not, 401 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: I think mean for that to happen. He's just problematic 402 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: in other ways. So he also notes that the last 403 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: thing he did before leaving was rewatch American Psycho, which 404 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: he described as a sacred male experience. I will remind 405 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: you all that that is a movie directed by a woman. 406 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: He also writes about the fact that he ordered a 407 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: meal at the airport before leaving, but decided not to 408 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: eat it because it was likely filled with soy. He 409 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: goes on like a whole diatribe about how Afghanistan is 410 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: probably safer for him because there's no soy in the food, 411 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: just so. The weird wing memes and signaling, all of 412 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: which are like he's always like a year or two 413 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: out of date on his like far right signaling and 414 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: stuff too, which is weird. All of it makes a 415 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: little more sense when you realize that the book that 416 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: he wrote about Afghanistan was published with Antelope Hill Publishing. 417 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, James, he recognized that, didn't you. Yeah, 418 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 5: yeah yeah. 419 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: It is an explicitly fascist publisher. So on the Antelope 420 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: Pill page for his stupid book, the recommended books beneath it, 421 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: you know you've got the main book and is like, 422 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: this is record. If you like this book, read these 423 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: books are a collection of One of the books is 424 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: a collection of speech speeches from Kai Murros, who is 425 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: a Finnish right wing activist who was formerly a maoist 426 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: but is now a white nationalist revolutionary advocate who suppose 427 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: supports total racial war against asylum seekers and immigrants. He 428 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: advocates for an uprising in the UK in which all 429 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: university staff will be executed by debt squads. 430 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 4: So he hasn't gone that far from the maw is. 431 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: So not that far, but like, look, there's still pieces 432 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: of it. So the next book that's recommended if you're 433 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: interested in Miles's book is The Death Company, which is 434 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: a first hand account of the Italian Arditi in World 435 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: War One that was very influential among early fascists. And 436 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: then there's Let Them Look West by Marty Phillips. I 437 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: found a review of this book on a website called 438 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: the White Art Collective, and I'm going to read a quote. 439 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: From that now. 440 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: So this is a Nazi reviewing this book by a Nazi, Right, 441 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, here's him describing the book. Rob Cohen 442 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: is a big city writer sent on assignment to interview 443 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: James Alexander, the governor of Wyoming, a fundamentalist Christian who 444 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: has revived his state with, among other things, a Christian 445 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: themed public works program and Mount Calvary, an artificial mountain 446 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: which villagers climb up and pass the stations of the Cross, 447 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: then view a live action recreation of the Crucifixion with 448 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: music by a live choir. The first few chapters until 449 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Rob meets Alexander feel like a dead pan satire of apocalypse. 450 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 6: Now. 451 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: Rob didn't want a mission, but for sins he was 452 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: given one. He's a fish out of water who has 453 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: to navigate and improvise his way to the goal. There's 454 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: a magical realism vibe of the book despite nothing overly 455 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: supernatural occurring, and maybe this is why Phillips calls it 456 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: a mundane fantasy. But it's also a mundane fantasy for 457 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: the simple reason that the America and Wyoming described in 458 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: the book are so far beyond what is possible that 459 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: suspension of disbelief is required. Even the Nazi seems like 460 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: to think it's kind of a shit book, which is 461 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: very funny to me. So again, if you publish your 462 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: book with Antelope Pill like you are comfortable, at the 463 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: very least comfortable with having your book advertised next to 464 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: explicitly Nazi power fantasies. 465 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, going to Antler Pill. You know, look, 466 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: we've both published books like. Yeah, it wouldn't have occurred 467 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: to me to even try. 468 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are the Nazi one of the Nazist publishers 469 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: out there. In April of twenty twenty two, Miles attempted 470 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: to re enter Afghanistan. He claimed in videos that his 471 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: goal was to rest thank you a tour guide and 472 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: his family who were threatened by the Taliban, but he 473 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: wound up stuck in Pakistan, claiming that this guide had 474 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: lied to him and claimed that the border was closed 475 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: to British people. 476 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: He was like, to be fair, I have no issues 477 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 4: with this. 478 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: No, that would be fine, and he gets like he 479 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: starts like freaking out in the video, he's like a 480 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: near tears and stuff. He claims that he'd spent fifteen 481 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: thousand pounds on the trip and now he was broke, 482 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: so obviously he uses that he has to beg for 483 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: money from his followers, which I kind of wonder if 484 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: that was just the whole point of the trip. He 485 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: also pointed posted whiney status updates, claiming his life had 486 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: been ruined by the failed trip. Quote this means I 487 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: can't go on a date with a girl I really liked. 488 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: It means I can't sponsor a joint adventure with my friend. 489 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: I will go home to an empty room. I am 490 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: at my end but I know, big baby. 491 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 492 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: Despite his failure, he did not give up on his 493 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: dreams of stumbling through Afghanistan again. For the sake of content, 494 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: he put together another trip for the start of twenty 495 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: twenty three. In late February, as he geared up to go, 496 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: he made some tweets to his followers that give us 497 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: more unfortunate context as to the sort of person he is. 498 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: From February twenty seventh, a flat mate saw my Bible 499 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: and said that book is a fairy tale. So I 500 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: threw my empty mug at his head, broke on the 501 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: wall behind him. This isn't the first instance. And after 502 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: a while you have to stop playing nis and to 503 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: fend your faith. 504 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so great is the tweet that I remember seeing. 505 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great one. 506 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Now people used to send me his shit so often. 507 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: He's infuriating. Yeah, there's a worse one. The most infuriating 508 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: tweet I found from this guy came a bit further 509 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: down and it's it's a picture of him. I thinking 510 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: it might be Dubai. I think it's Dubai. So he's 511 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: like got his back to the skyline and he's just 512 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: kind of like looking off into the distance pensively, and 513 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: it says, friends say, I space out all the time. 514 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: My mind is having visions of North Sentinel Island. Now, 515 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: if you don't remember, the Sentinel Island is the Forbidden 516 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Island and the Andamans which is part of India, where 517 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, an idiot Christian missionary broke quarantine and 518 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: endangered the lives of an entire tribe so he could 519 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: satisfy his narcissistic evangelical fetish. He was thankfully shot to 520 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: death by them via arrow before he could get too close, 521 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: and hopefully did not spread any diseases to them. I 522 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: wish mild success in reaching the island and meeting his 523 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: similar fate. But if he gets anywhere close to them, 524 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: there's just such a high chance that he will spread 525 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: deadly disease to the people there that I hope the 526 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: Indian government keeps him away, even though it would be 527 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: very funny if he got shot to death by. 528 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 5: That would be quite a laugh. Yeah, truly living out 529 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 5: the dreams of being a British lord. 530 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, continue a real time on our tradition getting 531 00:27:51,359 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: fucking mrked by the natives on an island. So the 532 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: good news is that friends of the pod, the Taliban 533 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: may have taken care of you know this guy for us. 534 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Shortly after making those posts, he re entered Afghanistan and 535 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: a video posted several days later he bragged about entering. 536 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: While he's in Afghanistan, he brags that he made a 537 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: fake visa in order to get himself into the country. 538 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: So he breaks Taliban law entering the country in a 539 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: fake video and then posts a video while he's in 540 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: Kabul bragging about it. So, first off, genius brain, unbelievable 541 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: smarts there. So this the first video that he posts 542 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: back is it's titled something like Shooting Guns with the Taliban, 543 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: and it's all about him just like going to Jalalabad 544 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: to see what kind of guns are available. He talks 545 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: a lot about how all these US guns and gear 546 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: are available, but he doesn't actually really show any of it. 547 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Like most of the video he's in like this fucking 548 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: I'll show you. He's in like this fucking gun bazaar 549 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: and he's like really odd by this giant ar style 550 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: Turkish shotgun. 551 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 5: We've seen some of them. 552 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: We have seen some of those. 553 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: They're terrible weapons. They are definitely obviously the Taliban got 554 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: a hold of a shitload of us. Hear nobody's questioning 555 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: that these shitty Turkish shotguns are not American weaponry. 556 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that that's that's probably why it's in the 557 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: bizarre and not like in someone's like. 558 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: Or something. Yeah. 559 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Taliban have access to a lot of American gear. 560 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: He is kind of just like looking at I don't know, 561 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: like a mix of like old Soviet weapons and like 562 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: trash guns. So I'm gonna show you a first clip 563 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: from this video here. 564 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 6: Sometimes a little bit dangerous, so there's a lot of 565 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 6: if you don't know who diesh is, it's basically isis 566 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 6: now is you know, I'll number the Taliban. However, the 567 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 6: weapons market and maybe in some areas could be quite 568 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 6: bad at the me so I'll have to be a 569 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 6: little bit cam If you've seen this footage ended up, Okay, 570 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 6: I'm gonna take a moment to tell you guys about 571 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 6: my sponsor tend What. 572 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: The fuck. 573 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 5: This is not official medium, but Jesus, that. 574 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Is one of the most jarring ad Like if you're 575 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: not watching this, he's like standing in the desert and 576 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: like talking. There's that brief clip of like a picture 577 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: of some isis guys. But then he's like back in 578 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the desert talking and then suddenly a shot like it 579 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: cuts very harshly to him in his hotel room doing 580 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: like a fucking ad for an investment banking app. It's 581 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: so fucking or like a stock trading app. 582 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: It's so funny. 583 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: And then yes, yeah, don't see uh have you got 584 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: the shahata written on it? 585 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 586 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it sure does. 587 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I was gonna say people, she was, but 588 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 8: to spare yourself, like god, yeah he's he's wearing his 589 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 8: white headband. 590 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: I can't see it anymore. But you see something you're 591 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: in and Arabic on it, I guess, and doing it 592 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: as much for something called tends. 593 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, something which is like, yeah, some sort of like 594 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: stock trading app for I'm going to guess people to 595 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: get their life savings scammed from them. Yeah yeah, yeah, 596 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: that's my apologies Tends if I'm getting you wrong, but 597 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: you're you're spider. Yeah, ah damn, it's okay. We've got 598 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: enough sports betting companies to that. Well we'll be okay. 599 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Run Regu Jesus right, yeah, Runald Reagan gold coins or 600 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: silver coins will take care of us. So again, one 601 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: of the things that's very funny about this is the 602 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: amount of time he spends flipping out over this dog 603 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: shit AR style shotgun. For those of you who aren't 604 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: gun people, the Turks make a number of different shotguns 605 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: that kind of look like AR fifteen. They're all very 606 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: impressive looking to people who don't know anything about guns, 607 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: they're terrible weapons. One of the reasons they're terrible is 608 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: that shotgun shells do not work well in magazines. The 609 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: reason most shotguns are tube fed because like, shot shells 610 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: are plastic and they have a weird shape to them, 611 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: and if you stick them in a magazine like a 612 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: normal bullet, they just tend to like jam and misfeed 613 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot. It's just not a good way for it. Yeah, exactly. 614 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the one gun, the one actually like produced 615 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: in a factory gun that I'm aware of that the 616 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 2: folks in me and R are like, naw, fuck, it 617 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: will just three, like we. 618 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: Are desperate, but these are just and he like, he 619 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: spends a lot of time like talking about how cheap 620 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: guns are. You can get guns here cheaper than you 621 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: can anywhere else, because like this AR shotgun is two 622 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: hundred bucks like, man, I can get an ar shotgun 623 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: for two hundred bucks in Portland, Oregon. They're terrible, nobody 624 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: wants them. So he does eventually go out with what 625 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: he claims is the talent ban. As far as I 626 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: can tell, it's a guy who has an M sixteen 627 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: that he probably paid like a hundred bucks to go 628 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: shooting with. 629 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 7: Right. 630 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Maybe the guy, like a lot of people in Afghanistan 631 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: are technically the Taliban, but that doesn't mean like much, right, Like, 632 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: at this point, they're the government, like you know, you 633 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: get like your uncle, you know, gets you a fucking 634 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: gig or something, watching a road or whatever. I don't know. 635 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this guy. He claims he's 636 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: the Taliban. So I'm gonna play you a clip of 637 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: him shooting this guy's M sixteen. 638 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, another one. 639 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: No hearing protection sweeping people. 640 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: Just sweeps him again, thank you. 641 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: The Taliban guy is visibly nervous about him as the guy. 642 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 5: He's not. He got that vacuum one. Yeah, he's backing away. 643 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: He's just like. 644 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: Shooting into the air. I love how like visibly nervous. 645 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: The Taliban guy is his legs with the gun like 646 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: points the barrel at that guy's legs like three different times, 647 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: shoots up into the air. He's just an incompetent asshole 648 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: with it. 649 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: He's doing all of these like like eighties action movie poses. 650 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, touch, it's it's very stupid. He has no hearing 651 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: protection and so he like hurts his ears like yeah, 652 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: it's it's It's just comprehensively stupid and sad. So this 653 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: video was dumb. Shortly after filming it, Miles met up 654 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: with two other UK citizens who were in the country, 655 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: one of whom was he's described in most of the 656 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: news articles I read it's just a charity medic and 657 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: it's this is all a little unclear. It seems like 658 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: this guy was in possession of a firearm without a 659 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: proper permit. He claims that he has a permit, but 660 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: that was lost or something whatever. At any rate, Miles 661 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: goes missing in early March, and after several days, the 662 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Taliban announces that they've taken him and these two other 663 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: British guys and also two Polish guys into custody. And 664 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: it's a little unclear why, but it seems to be 665 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: due to like them breaking some laws with guns. It 666 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: also may have something to do with the fact that 667 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: Miles broke the law entering the country. He seems to 668 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: be being treated reasonably well at present, it's unclear what's 669 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: going to happen to him. I hope, I mean honestly, like, 670 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: of all the people who deserve to be in a 671 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: Taliban prison, Miles Rutledge is the one that's amazing, Like, yeah, 672 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: keep that, go ahead and keep that guy Taliban, like. 673 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 4: Solid, very excited for whoever is in the Prime Minister's 674 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 4: chair next week to like maybe get around to start 675 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: negotiating with a Tealipan. 676 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 5: They don't. The British. 677 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: The British far and off is just don't give a 678 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 2: fuck anymore. Like I've had to contact them with when 679 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: colleagues have been detained. 680 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: Et cetera. 681 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: Like they'll literally be like now computer says no and 682 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: and just like tight funk off like so hopefully they 683 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: do the same for him. 684 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't. 685 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything like the late most recent news 686 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: stories about him were like more than a week ago. 687 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: It looks like, uh, yeah, I'm not saying anything recently, 688 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: So it doesn't look like I'm guessing we would have 689 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: there'd be some coverage if he'd been freed. The Daily 690 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: Mail talked to his mom, who apparently was like, yeah, 691 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: he was. He was there to try to find himself. Yeah, 692 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: it's very funny, he says. He claims at one point, like, yo, 693 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: guy has been taken by the by Afghan intel diligence 694 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: for taking like a thousand dollars out of Western Union 695 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: suss amount, no internet, no idea when this will end. 696 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: Everything is good, but please excuse my lack of communication. 697 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: That was like March eighth, something like that, And he 698 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: hasn't really been back on in a while, Like he's 699 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: kind of been dark for quite a spell, So I 700 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe something terrible has happened to him, or 701 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: what happened to him at which point or in which 702 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: case like that would be kind of funny fuck him. 703 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah that's where I am officially. Yeah, I mean he 704 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: fucked around and found out. Yeah, like you keep again, man, 705 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: you want to like, yeah, you keep fucking around. You 706 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: like go to a place with like a famously like 707 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: dangerous authoritarian government who are actively hurting people and are 708 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: like I'm going to brag about breaking the law for 709 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: a YouTube video. Yeah, man, maybe they'll get pissed. It's 710 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: like the same shit with like, obviously the Romanian government 711 00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: is not the Taliban, but like it's the same kind 712 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of ship with like Andrew Tate, where you're like, I'm 713 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: going to go to this other country and brag about 714 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: the fact that they're not stopping me from breaking their laws. 715 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good way to get them to fucking 716 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: problems for you. 717 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 4: Like, anyway, my favorite Miles post. If I'm remembering this right, 718 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure like two. 719 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 7: Weeks before he like got arrested, he he he posted 720 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 7: a tweet about how like he's safer in he's safer 721 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 7: in Afghanistan and he is in uh that he would 722 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 7: be in San Francisco in Brooklyn. 723 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he. 724 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: Spent no two days, he spent forty eight hours quote 725 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: unquote homeless in Brooklyn for again for content, and yeah, 726 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: it is it is funny that like he is in 727 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble now. 728 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 3: He tried to go to. 729 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 5: Mission Texas as well. 730 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if he ever went, but he was 731 00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: going to do so I missed that. 732 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be something fucking horrific with people crossing 733 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: the Rio Grande. 734 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 5: Oh god, oh you see the look the lady. 735 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear this often from me, but critical 736 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: support to the Taliban, like they're they're they're really fighting 737 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: the good fight for all of us by keeping this 738 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: guy behind bars. 739 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 2: I was it initially seemed like he had he had 740 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 2: fallen into the hands of like the Islamic State Chorussan Province, 741 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have to yeah, you rarely have to 742 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: hand it to Islamic State, but we may have had 743 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: that one occasion that. 744 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: Don't give ice us a lot of credit, but that 745 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: that it is, like, you know what, I'll just I'm 746 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say this on behalf of the 747 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: rest of the world, Taliban, if you keep him locked up, 748 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, we will erase one of those big Buddha 749 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: statues from like the list of Taliban crimes. We'll all 750 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: agree to forget one of the Buddhas. Like feel like 751 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm not signing on to this. 752 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 5: I'm so bad about the Buddhists. I just come on, 753 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 5: we need all the Buddhists. 754 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 3: Anyway. 755 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 5: Fuck this guy. 756 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope they're feeding him all of the soy 757 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, like fucking park a soy truck up to 758 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: that guy's cell. Anyway, that's a story like there's these 759 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: guys are like, especially in the social media. I mean 760 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: they've always been a part of war and of conflict. 761 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's a degree to which like this is 762 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: a not a news story, like this is actually kind 763 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: of a one of the older stories in human history. 764 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: Is like dudes kind of stumbling into war zones in 765 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: order to write about it or otherwise like make it 766 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: about them. So you know, uh, fuck these people, uh, 767 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: and fuck Miles Rutledge in specific. I hope, I hope 768 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: he winds up like those Venezuelan merks or not there. 769 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't Vezela, they were in Venezuela who 770 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: are caught on video pissing themselves and then lying in 771 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: the piss. That's that's my dream for Miles Rutledge spending 772 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: some time lying in piss before he sent back to 773 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: the UK. Yeah, that's what I got. 774 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 5: Nice. 775 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 2: Hopefully they revoke his fucking citizenship like that they did 776 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 2: to the British people. 777 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: He did make a bunch of posts about how cool 778 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: the Taliban were, so I don't know, like, yeah, we 779 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: can dream. Look, man, you said you wanted to live there. 780 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 3: Uh, here you go. 781 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I I think he's a dick 782 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: and I think this is funny. 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