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Speaker 1: But I feel confident that we'll get by with a

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Speaker 1: co host of Part Time Genius, one of the founders

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Speaker 1: of Mental Flaws, and this is Humans Growing Stuff, a

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Speaker 1: Our goal is to make this the most human show

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Speaker 1: On this episode, our season finale, we are examining how

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Speaker 1: Chapter fourteen, Learning life Lessons from plants. Despy at the

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Speaker 1: one pound of beef requires eight gallons of water. That said,

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Speaker 1: if plant based protein isn't your thing, maybe insect based

429
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Speaker 1: proteins are like cricket powder or even stink bug. Just

430
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Speaker 1: get in touch with that inner venus fly trap and

431
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Speaker 1: enjoy that crunch. They're not hard to find either. Some

432
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Speaker 1: are already being sold at places like Whole Foods and

433
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Speaker 1: other grocery stores. The more time I spend with plants,

434
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Speaker 1: the more they teach me about taking care of others

435
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: but also the earth. I'm not only looking at my

436
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Speaker 1: home through the perspective of my plants, I'm also rethinking

437
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Speaker 1: my everyday habits with a more sustainable and environmentally friendly

438
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Speaker 1: intention and purpose. You may know Lauren Conrad as a

439
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Speaker 1: television personality, New York Times best selling author, fashion designer,

440
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Speaker 1: or philanthropists, but Lauren is also an avid gardener and

441
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: using a lot of what she's learned about plants in

442
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Speaker 1: the environment to create more sustainable products. In two thousand thirteen,

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Speaker 1: she co founded Little Market dot Com, a nonprofit with

444
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Speaker 1: a mission to build sustainable partnerships with artisans around the world,

445
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: connecting them with customers through an online marketplace, and empowering

446
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Speaker 1: women artisans to rise above poverty and support their families.

447
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Speaker 1: In two thousand eighteen, the Little Market launched their first

448
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: brick and mortar location in l A. I called of

449
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Speaker 1: Lauren because I wanted to hear about how gardening has

450
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Speaker 1: made her think about sustainability more on an everyday level,

451
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Speaker 1: and lessons she's teaching her own kiddos about life as

452
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Speaker 1: they grow together in the garden. Hey, Lauren, are you there.

453
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Speaker 1: I'm here. Oh, it's so nice to chat with you.

454
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Speaker 1: You too, How are you doing well? Well? Thank you

455
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Speaker 1: so much for being on the program. You know, I

456
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: know you as this sort of incredible designer and influencer,

457
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Speaker 1: but I only just realized that you're a gardener as well,

458
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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to talk plants with you. Need too,

459
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Speaker 1: I am. I'm relatively new to the space. It's just

460
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Speaker 1: kind of a hobby that I've picked up the past year.

461
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: So I'm still very green. Well that's both of us,

462
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Speaker 1: I guess. So tell me about how you decide to

463
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Speaker 1: get into gardening. Now. Last year I unexpectedly had a

464
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Speaker 1: little more time on my hands, so I we have

465
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Speaker 1: on the side of our house now, we had kind

466
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: of a just like a strip of land that we

467
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: don't really do much with it, just kind of like

468
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: whatever grows there. So I cleared out a little area

469
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Speaker 1: that was like, I mean maybe like three by five

470
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Speaker 1: feet and ordered some plans and I really did it

471
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Speaker 1: just as something to do with my son, who's turning

472
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Speaker 1: four in a couple of months. So, you know, it

473
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Speaker 1: was probably just about to turn three, and uh, and

474
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Speaker 1: I just kind of did it as something to do

475
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Speaker 1: with him. And then also I really love the idea

476
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Speaker 1: of kids understanding where food comes from. And that's where

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Speaker 1: it started. Because it's gotten a little while now, basically

478
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: anywhere anything will grow, I've taken over in our yard.

479
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: I'm figuring out now how to like make it more

480
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: aesthetically pleasing because it's a little it's a little funny,

481
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: but I tore out, like all a bunch of rows

482
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: is in our front yard so I could do like

483
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: a vegetable garden really in the front yard. Yeah, yeah,

484
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely could use a little work. But

485
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I also I don't know, I just I kind of

486
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: love edibles as like like kind of landscaping as well

487
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: because it's like a dual purpose. I think it's nice. Yeah.

488
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Speaker 1: I actually saw someone who was planting herbs that way,

489
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: like different basil plants, and it's amazing how architecturally you

490
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: can get with it. Yeah. I've always done that with time,

491
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: and I did that while I did it with mint,

492
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: which is a huge mistake if anyone's ever put mint

493
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Speaker 1: in like a contained area. I just took over but yeah,

494
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I've always kind of done that. Yeah, do you think

495
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: you'll try to keep some of that space for yourself

496
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: as we move into a sort of a crazier world. Uh, yeah,

497
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: it's just getting worse, and whereas I'm about to like

498
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: clear like basically the last space I can and I

499
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: just also took over a deck and created a container garden,

500
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: so it's becoming a full time job. I've definitely probably

501
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I've probably beiten off more than I can chew. But

502
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: it's so fun. I love that. So so it sounds

503
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Speaker 1: like it's started very much with these like few vegetables.

504
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: And then and where are your ambitions going? Um, anything

505
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: that will grow. I've been doing a lot of research.

506
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: You know, where we live is we're right on the water,

507
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: so the salt in the air it kind of limits

508
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: what I can and can't grow. Um. And also just

509
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: like the way our house is positioned. So I've just

510
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: been researching and kind of like trial and air, I

511
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time figuring out what would grow.

512
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Speaker 1: And then I kind of turned my office into a greenhouse, which,

513
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: as strange as it sounds, um, it's like a wall

514
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: of windows and it gets really, really really hot in there,

515
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: so I just sort of took advantage of it. But

516
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: then I also learned that starting plants in a window

517
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: is not the best idea because it kind of makes

518
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: for weak plants. So that's where I'm at now. So

519
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot of lessons. Yeah, that's incredible. And

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Speaker 1: do you have any friends that you sort of share

521
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: tips with or or pick things up from. Have you

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: found community and gardening a little bit? Yeah, I've actually

523
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: made a couple of new friends and actually started this

524
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: hobby with a couple of friends. Um, so it's it's nice.

525
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: It's like a I don't know, it's so it's so

526
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: door key that I'm like sent as a KINI picture

527
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: literally sending like pictures of zucchini to my friends being

528
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: like look what I threw. I don't know. It's like

529
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just like a fun new thing

530
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: we can talk about and it's just simple and you

531
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. No, I mean I feel that

532
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: way too. I mean, so I you know, I used

533
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: to run a magazine. I headed up development at at

534
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: my Heart for all these podcasts and stuff, and I

535
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: had no time and then suddenly, with you know, the quarantine,

536
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: were stuck at home and I was just looking for

537
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: ways to hang out with my kids and do something

538
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: that felt productive, you know, in this way where you

539
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: can actually see something grow and and and hold a

540
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: vegetable or whatever. And it is amazing how quickly you

541
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: can dork out about these things. Yeah, it is. Yes,

542
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: I feel it's actually like really embarrassing. The other day,

543
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: it was like in my office kind of like going

544
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: through all the seedlings, and I'm kind of like talking

545
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: out loud, and my husband opened the door and he

546
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: was like, are we talking to the plants now? Yeah?

547
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I think so. I think we went there. Um. I

548
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: think that one of the really nice things about planting,

549
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: once you've kind of got all the basics down is

550
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: just like the idea of planting something is just it's

551
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: just possibility. And and in a time where we were

552
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: all kind of stuck in a rut and everything felt

553
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: like Groundhog's Day and the future was so uncertain, it

554
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: was like this one very simple thing I could do

555
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: and watch grow, and it was a little different every day.

556
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: It made each day feel, you know, some something to

557
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: look forward to, something different. Yeah, I agree with that,

558
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: and something positive in in a world that was so

559
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: sort of um claustrophobic, with so many, so many issues.

560
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what do you feel like you get

561
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: out of gardening and caring for these plants, and maybe

562
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: even what are some of the things you're learning about yourself.

563
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. It's it's sort of an

564
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: unexpected hobby for me. I think if you had asked me,

565
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: like ten years ago, like are you going to get

566
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: super into this? I wouldn't. I would have said no,

567
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting that that I got so into it. I

568
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: think it's it's been good for me because it's it's

569
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: forced me to kind of sit still and do something

570
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of quiet and simple, which is the challenging for me. Yeah,

571
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you say that because a lot of

572
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: our guests have said it's very meditative for them. Yeah.

573
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: I've never been the type of person who can meditate.

574
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: It's really difficult for me to clear my mind, and

575
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: so this is kind of the closest thing I get

576
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: to that. Um, you know. I I like what you

577
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: said about noticing the salt air and the light and

578
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the way your land is because for me, it's it's

579
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: really interesting to sort of gain this new perspective of

580
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, that's so interesting. I so you're gardening.

581
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Do you have like a little balcony. I do, I've

582
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I've got a little balcony in a little space outdoors.

583
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: But when I started this, it was mostly house plants

584
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: that I was tending to. I feel like house answer

585
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: is so difficult. I think I killed them all. Well,

586
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I just keep moving them around until they started start

587
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: doing better. And yeah, yeah, I have. There's one I'm

588
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: not going to know the name of it. I think

589
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I want. I think it's called like a mermaid fern

590
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: or something. It's some sort of fern. It's really delicate

591
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: but very beautiful, and like every two months I buy

592
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: one and I'm like, this time, this time, I'm not

593
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: going to kill it. But it's like the type or

594
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: like the soil can never dry out or else, it

595
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: just like immediately dies. I'm I'm yet to really keep

596
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: one alive more than a few weeks, but they're so pretty. Yeah.

597
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Have you learned anything from the failures of being in

598
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: the garden? Yeah? Right now. The biggest thing right now,

599
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: honestly is I grew. I'm not exaggerating. I grew sixty

600
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: tomato plants in my office. Yes, yeah, I did. It

601
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. It's a I have it's a

602
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: big window. But anyway, so and then I had to

603
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: harden them off and do all the things. But because

604
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I grew them in a window, they got like the

605
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: the stems are like really long and thin. They're kind

606
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: of leggy, and so they're not very strong plants. So

607
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I picked the best ones and I'm like putting them

608
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: in the tomato garden and creating an area. And now

609
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: I have like a bunch of really sad tomato plants

610
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: sitting outside that I can't get rid of because I'm like,

611
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: I grew them from seed. I can't get rid of them.

612
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: But also like what am I there? They like can't

613
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: stand up by themselves. I think, I'm just it's hard

614
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: to let go. I did I did it wrong. But

615
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm also like it's like a living plant, and like

616
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: a couple of even have like tomatoes on them. I'm like,

617
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I can't give up on them. I have a hard

618
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: time letting go. So tell me about your kids in

619
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the garden, because I'm curious about this. I know I've

620
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: seen photos of one of your kiddos toddling around and

621
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: and like eating pea plants. I think probably, Yeah, it's funny.

622
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: I've noticed that, you know, in our family at least,

623
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: that my kids are so much more excited to eat

624
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: something off a vine than off a plate. And like

625
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: we have just like shelling peas growing in our front

626
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: yard right now, and when we're out there, I'll usually

627
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: just grab a few and be like, whose wants peas?

628
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: And they'll like fight over them, which is so funny.

629
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's been a really nice thing,

630
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: is just not only them being familiar with oh, our

631
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: food comes from the earth, we should take care of it,

632
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: and like you know, the domino effect there. And I

633
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: also like my my younger son, Charlie. It's like a

634
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: year and a half, he's he's very much like me.

635
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: He just wants to be dirty all the time, Like

636
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I was always just coming in mud. But like whenever

637
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm clearing space or anything, I'll just let him go

638
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: there with like a little like a little sand shovel

639
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: just to dick and he just loves it and be stilthy.

640
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Like literally we don't know how to wash him up,

641
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: Like can we even put him in a shower like this.

642
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: He's so dirty, but it makes them so happy, and

643
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I just think, I don't know, I think there's something

644
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: to that. I think that kids they should play in

645
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the dirt and they should get dirty like that, and

646
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: they don't do it as often anymore. So Yeah, I agree.

647
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: So what are you excited about planning the boast the

648
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: season right now? I'm so excited because every year I

649
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: grow sweet peas, and there's something about like where I am,

650
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: but they just like explode like they're taller than me.

651
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: There's hundreds of sweet peas in the front of my house. Yeah,

652
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a statement and I love it.

653
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: And it smells. I like, literally in the morning when

654
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm walking into the car, I just like stick my

655
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: face into the just like massive flowers and breathe because

656
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: it's just the best smell. Yeah, this is one of

657
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: my favorite times of year. It's just because I know,

658
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: I get like a wall of sweet peas. So tell

659
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: me a little bit about what gardening with your kids

660
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: has been like and what you sort of hope they

661
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: get from this experience. Gardening with the kids. It's been fun.

662
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: I think it's trying to think of how to say

663
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: this nicely. I'm like, you know, my son will get

664
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: really excited about the idea, and then when it comes

665
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: to like doing more than two minutes of digging, he's like,

666
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm out, but he's really in it for the harvest.

667
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: So you talked about the fact that you started gardening

668
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: with your kids in mind, and I'm curious, whenever they

669
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: do participate in the actual gardening process, have you found

670
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: that you've been able to teach them any life lessons

671
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: as you teach them about growing and gardening. You know,

672
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: we talked to them a lot about this is just like,

673
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna plant this plant, and we're gonna

674
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: be patient. I think patients is a big is a

675
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: big lesson here too, because you know, we'll plant something

676
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: in the next day. He's like, is it done. It's like, no,

677
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: we need to be patient. And each day, well, we'll

678
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: check on progress and kind of talk about how the

679
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: plant has to grow and then we you know, we'll

680
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: see the first fruit whatever. The plant be kind of

681
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: really tiny start and you know, explaining the process I

682
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: think is really nice. It's really nice. How old are

683
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: your kids. My kids are a little older. They are

684
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: eight and ten. Yeah, but but when we started gardening,

685
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: I'd say it was my kid just turned eight, my younger,

686
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: so so it was like six when when we started

687
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: doing some of the stuff. It's been fun to watch

688
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: them play and and also just be very cocky about

689
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: the stuff that they really like, walking around telling me like,

690
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: like what I'm doing wrong? Stuff like that, which is

691
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: sweet and fun. Um. Obviously, gardening has helped us all

692
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: think about the way we give back and take from

693
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and connect to the natural world around us. Right. But

694
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious, because you do this with your little ones,

695
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: do you think you know, since becoming a mother, you've

696
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: started thinking more about your relationship to the earth than

697
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: you had maybe before you became a parent. Absolutely. I

698
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: think when you have a child, you know that they're

699
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: inheriting the earth that you're taking care of right now,

700
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it sort of changes things. And I don't know if

701
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: that means I was more selfish before or if I

702
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: just you know, hadn't thought about it. But yeah, I mean,

703
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: what in their lifetime, what changes are going to take place,

704
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: like what's going to happen? Um? And it's always on

705
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the top of my mind. I'm curious what you think

706
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: we might be able to take away from your experiences

707
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: with plants. I think. I mean, I can say my

708
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: takeaway this year has been you don't need that much.

709
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I always talk to my son like, what does a

710
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: plant need to grow? Needs? Sunshine, water, nutrients, that's it.

711
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of people experience this

712
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: in the past year or so is just you don't

713
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: need that much. And I think that, you know, when

714
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: you get really busy, you just you kind of forget

715
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: to live simply sometimes and and things get really complicated

716
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, bigger, more better. But I

717
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: think that we, you know, my family simplified our lives

718
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: a bit this year and it's it's been really kind

719
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: of a welcome change. Yeah. I like that a lot. Lauren,

720
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Do you have

721
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: any final thoughts on gardening for our listeners? No, I think,

722
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I would say, like such

723
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: a tork, I would just really encourage you will to

724
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: try it because it's really it's really fun. I think

725
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: it's a fun family activity. I think if you do

726
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: it properly, it's pretty easy. In low metance, you can

727
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of set up a garden. You know with plantet

728
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: drip system and then you kind of just get to

729
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: enjoy it. So I think it's like an intimidating idea.

730
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: But even if you're just starting with like a few

731
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: containers on a balcony, like I don't know, I would

732
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: just encourage you will to give it a try. Yeah, wonderful, Well, Lauren,

733
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on the program. I

734
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me.

735
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: This was lovely. Not long ago, my friend nailed me

736
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: a plant as a gift, but when it arrived, my

737
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: family and I happened to be out of town, and

738
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: so it just sat there waiting for us in the hallway,

739
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: And when we finally opened the box, the plant looked pathetic,

740
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: like Charlie Brown's Christmas tree. The soil had dried out,

741
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: the leaves that hadn't fallen off were well about to

742
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: fall off, and at the time I wasn't even sure

743
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: if the plant was still alive. But it was a

744
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: gift from a dear friend, and I wasn't ready to

745
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: part with it, so I repotted it and moved it

746
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: to the sunniest spot in the house, somewhere where my

747
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: other plants would be jealous of it. I checked the

748
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: soil and watered it regularly, and one day, as I

749
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: was debating whether to relocate it to the compost bin,

750
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: I decided instead to prune the remaining leaves. It was

751
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: like giving a haircut to a bald man. But as

752
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I looked for dead leaves to trim, I saw this

753
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: little bright sprout emerging, the sign of life, and I

754
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: got so excited. Suddenly I realized those months of warmth

755
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and care that I've been pouring into it had thrown

756
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: this thing a lifeline. And I don't know whether it

757
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: was my persistence or the plants, but together we somehow

758
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: figured out a way forward. I mean, you could tell

759
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: that or a few ways right. You could say that

760
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: I took a plant that was about to die and

761
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: just kept feeding it the nourishment it needed, the sun

762
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and the water, and it clung on until spring, long

763
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: enough to thrive. The story where I just helped out

764
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: the plant, where you could tell it the way I

765
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: think about it, that this plant came into my life

766
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: at a time when I was exhausted, worn down by

767
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: the news cycle and the grind of working and parenting

768
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: and schooling. From home and in that exhaustion, this plant

769
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: gave me another space to pour my love. It gave

770
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: me something to hope for and asked for my patients.

771
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: It trained me to realize that if you look out

772
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: the window, yes, you can see all the difficult things

773
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: the world is dealing with right outside, but you can

774
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: also feel the warmth and count on the day's light

775
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: to stream through one day after the next. It was

776
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: something to bask in and look forward too, because, of course,

777
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: my little plant needed that light, but so did I.

778
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot of lessons throughout the season of

779
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: humans growing stuff. Some of them have been more gardening

780
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: and plant care related, like how to properly care for

781
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: air plants, that earthworms are great pets and even better

782
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: contributors to good soil. I've learned not to trust groundhogs,

783
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to planning for spring, and I

784
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: witnessed just how much you can do with a little

785
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: bit of space. But I've also learned a lot about

786
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: what it means to be human. Throughout the season, Molly

787
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: and I have asked the same question to every friend

788
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: who's picked up our call. Do you think taking care

789
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: of plants can make us better humans. And the answer

790
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: to that question is always yes, but the reasons are

791
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: so often different. Plants are tough, plants are resilient plants

792
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: and want to grow. That's a good lesson for humans

793
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: because I always think that we are more billions and

794
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: tougher than than maybe we think we are. Sometimes even

795
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: a delicate flower if you look at what that had

796
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: to do to grow and become that, that's resiliency. If

797
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: you look at a plant and you realize it just

798
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of was programmed to do that and it's going

799
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: to do that same thing for humans. Oh gosh, vegetables

800
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: produced food. It's it's all about what I love to do. Honestly,

801
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: seen from where it starts to where it ends on

802
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: the plate and it's consumed is just such an experience.

803
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: I think humility and patience is really what gardening is about.

804
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: You can create communities with something as in with a garden,

805
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: you can create friendships and bonds and just you can

806
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: just you can restart the world. You know, it starts

807
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: with life from these plants that's growing and they're giving

808
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: themselves to as and we move on and we give

809
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: ourselves to other and it is connects and it keeps going.

810
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not not everybody can really really understand it.

811
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes my friends come over and they're like,

812
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: how can your indoor plants are so amazing? I'm like, well,

813
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: I always play music in the house. It's not like

814
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: I'm walking around talking to my plants, but I might

815
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: and like I love them, you know. I mean, I

816
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: dust the leaves on my on my fig trees in

817
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: my house because I know they need to breathe. I

818
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: see how they change shape because I know that they're

819
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: moving towards the light. Who would notice that unless you

820
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: are really aware of what's going on in your environment.

821
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: You know it's it's really important. I would say one

822
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: gardening and plant care make us better humans because they

823
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: teach you empathy and you become so grateful when you

824
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: realize whoa this grew from this to this, and you're

825
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: thinking about how grateful you are for this. So you're

826
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: cultivating gratitude in your body, in your spirit, in your mind,

827
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: and then when you go out into the grocery store,

828
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: when you go out into the mall, when you get

829
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: on a plane, you have that gratitude that you've cultivated

830
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: inside your body, that you now carry with you, and

831
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: that started when you watch your bell pepper grow. It

832
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: really does make them way more attuned to the people

833
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: around them and way more connected to the communities around them.

834
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: And I think that anytime you're more connected to your

835
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: community and the people around you, that's that's going to

836
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: lead to more empathy. I think nature gives you all

837
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: life lessons. You could put out anything from nature and

838
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: there would be a lesson. We've been it. We as

839
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: humans think we're so clever, we're actually pretty stupid, stupid

840
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: and our desire to want everything and we're not patient.

841
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: If we were more patient with everything, we'd be in

842
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: a much more harmonious world. But we're not. We're just

843
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: so eager. We need it now, We need it now,

844
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: We need it now. You know, Just take a step,

845
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: look at what's around you. Look at that nature, Look

846
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: at that tree, Look at that little thing. It's going

847
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: to go in its own time. You can shout and

848
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: scream and brings as much carbon on it as you want,

849
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to grow any faster than what it

850
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: wants to grow. So just nurture it. You're going to

851
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: get out of it as much as you put into it.

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Speaker 1: Gardening is about taking time and being patient. So if

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Speaker 1: you're impatient, it might be the perfect thing for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm a very impatient individual, but I have I have

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Speaker 1: a much better relationship with loss and the circle of

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Speaker 1: life than I did going into it, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: more comfortable with life, I want to say, because I

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Speaker 1: understand the whole process now and I can. I can

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Speaker 1: handle it. It's not it's not easy, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's easy for anyone, but I can. I can

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Speaker 1: do it, and so I think that's that's something I've

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Speaker 1: I've really come to appreciate about being out here. Do

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Speaker 1: you think you have to be an optimist to be

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Speaker 1: a farmer? That's a very good question. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Before I was I would say that I was an optimist.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a that's a great question. I

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Speaker 1: think it helps for sure, because you can see the

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Speaker 1: light at the end even when it's really dark. What

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Speaker 1: do you think I think I think you do. I

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Speaker 1: think you need to believe that your patients will bear out.

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Speaker 1: And I think you have to believe in the earth

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Speaker 1: and the seeds you're planning and and expect that things

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day will will go right

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Speaker 1: even if they go, hey, why a little bit, You're

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Speaker 1: still going to have a bounty, you know, if not

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Speaker 1: this year, next year, And I think it is an

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Speaker 1: optimistic practice. M hmm. I think you're right. So much

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Speaker 1: of what we take from our time with our plants

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Speaker 1: is personal. While a lot of us are finding comfort

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Speaker 1: from plants and being in the garden, we respond to

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Speaker 1: that interaction differently. Some of us are energized after a

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Speaker 1: few hours working out. Others go to our gardens to

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Speaker 1: find peace and solace. It's a lot like the way

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Speaker 1: we're all attracted to different plants. We all have our

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Speaker 1: own plant niche, and with different plant preferences come different

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Speaker 1: life lessons. For some of us, we learn about struggle

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Speaker 1: and we use it to make ourselves stronger. I think

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Speaker 1: about how the grapes that make the sweetest wine are

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Speaker 1: the ones that persist through the most difficult conditions that

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Speaker 1: they have to bear stress to deliver sweetness. But how

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Speaker 1: while those grapes are going through that struggle, they don't

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Speaker 1: know the greatness that they're destined for. Or tiny plants,

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Speaker 1: because maybe you're a tiny plant person just embracing the

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Speaker 1: beauty and the joy that the tiniest of plants can

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Speaker 1: radiate across the space. As this season of humans growing

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Speaker 1: stuff comes to a close, I find myself naturally looking

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Speaker 1: back at all the lessons I've learned, and the biggest

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Speaker 1: lesson that keeps coming up for me is patients. I

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Speaker 1: am quiet by nature, but I'm not patient. And the

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Speaker 1: way our phones have trained us to constantly be rewarded

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Speaker 1: by tweets and likes and social media updates and just

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Speaker 1: knowing everything immediately, I'm not sure any of that has

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Speaker 1: trained me to be a more patient person. But plants

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Speaker 1: tuning out the rest of the world and focusing on

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Speaker 1: helping these little things grow, that has made me more patient.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it with my wife, my kids, even myself.

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Speaker 1: Plants never question what's ahead of them. They just trust

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Speaker 1: that they'll find a way. They stretch their roots, figure

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Speaker 1: out how to reach towards the light, and they know

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Speaker 1: they'll thrive. And think about that. That makes me incredibly

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Speaker 1: optimistic about what's ahead for my family, for myself, and

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, for all of us. This is our last

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Speaker 1: episode of the season, so I hope you've enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I know I have, But we'll be back soon with

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Speaker 1: more content for everyone from the master gardener to the

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Speaker 1: plant parent to the plant care curious. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: you can hang out with us on social. You can

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Speaker 1: find updates and more great content on the show on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook at Humans Growing Stuff and on Twitter

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Speaker 1: a Growing Stuff pod. Don't forget no matter what season

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Speaker 1: it is or where you're at in your gardening journey,

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Speaker 1: there are some incredible resources is waiting for you on

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Speaker 1: the Miracle Grow website. Humans Growing Stuff is a collaboration

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Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio and your friends at Miracle Grow.

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Speaker 1: Our show was written and produced by Molly Sosha and

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Speaker 1: me Monga Chatigler in partnership with Ryan Ovadia, Daniel Ainsworth,

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Speaker 1: Haley Ericsson, and Garrett Shannon of Banter. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: be patient with your plants and each other. I'm Manga there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.