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Speaker 1: Doctor to Gang, a production of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Katie Studios, Episode three, You Let the Fish Out of

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Speaker 1: the Pond. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie

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Speaker 1: Studios with Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth

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Speaker 1: And drink this bottle of water. It'll feel it'll Dylan

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Speaker 1: thinks he's he's a rehab counselor, so he is going

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Speaker 1: to beat the disease and drug youth out of your system.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just basically comple leaning like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm dope sick. You know I don't feel good, I

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Speaker 1: mean by pills. And they're basically saying, no, you don't.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I don't have any pills with me.

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Speaker 1: It's just that constant detox and your stomach hurts and

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Speaker 1: your head hurts, and you're you're really struggling. Let's stop

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Speaker 1: Years earlier, Lee Grace had developed a dependency to drugs

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Speaker 1: to ease the pain of losing her dad, Doc and

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Speaker 1: her sister Aaron. The drugs I've always been most attracted

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Speaker 1: to our benzodiazepine ban its a lot of pin value

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Speaker 1: and out of the end, those are the drugs that

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Speaker 1: I always have wanted ever since I was probably about nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I would be able to obtain prescriptions, so I knew

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Speaker 1: them and offer them money. They would give me their

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Speaker 1: prescriptions for cash. And it was actually really very easy

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Speaker 1: could tell me was no. I would tell them, listen,

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Speaker 1: I have a hundred dollars, open your purse, give me

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Speaker 1: that prescription. And they would need the money for gas

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Speaker 1: very accepting of it because they actually want This call

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Speaker 1: take the prescription. Maybe they just got it from their daughter,

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Speaker 1: and their whole their whole scheme was to sell the prescription.

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Speaker 1: So I was actually friends with a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: um a lot of people that I bought drugs from.

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Speaker 1: They were like some of my best friends. Here again

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Speaker 1: is Ryan, I don't know, it's really Grace has ever

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Speaker 1: really been to an actual treatment place. So she had

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Speaker 1: been been like a seventy two hour whole to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you're mentally not going to look out right,

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Speaker 1: the Grace is just gonna do her, like, you can't

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Speaker 1: really dissuade her wance she decided she wants to do something,

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Speaker 1: and then like if she ever wanted to be sober,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's options out there to go get sober,

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Speaker 1: It's like that's what she needed. You take the drug

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Speaker 1: addict out of my sister, like she would have never

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Speaker 1: gotten that car. Well, we had to believe that they

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Speaker 1: were going to have to get cash somewhere. Um we

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Speaker 1: knew that, you know, these three had to be smart

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Speaker 1: enough not to use credit cards, um even stolen credit

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Speaker 1: very quickly ascertain information that kind of tracked some of that. However, cash,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can obviously go into somewhere use cash,

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Speaker 1: So we knew they had to obtain cash somewhere. Unfortunately

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Speaker 1: for the Doughertyes, their first plan to get cash came

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Speaker 1: to a screeching halt. Jilan's friend was going to purchase

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Speaker 1: the guns from us and give us cash. We got

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Speaker 1: in the direction of his house, we were already being

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Speaker 1: pulled over by the hop so Pete pulled over except

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Speaker 1: for hills by Kevin Widener. That prevented us for meeting

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Speaker 1: his friend. Because we're not going to be chased by

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Speaker 1: the cops to someone's house. Here's Dylan explaining his state

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Speaker 1: of mind and decision making. I think we knew what

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Speaker 1: she needed money before we left Florida. At that point,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't say I was thinking eight clear.

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Speaker 1: In that moment of desperation, the Doughertyes did the unthinkable,

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Speaker 1: as at that point you go south surrender, We're you

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Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, sorry, we shot it out with you

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Speaker 1: in the street. You're still gonna get the same amount

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Speaker 1: of time you're gonna get whether or not you keep

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Speaker 1: going from there. So it's like you've already started this party.

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Speaker 1: You might as well have fun. And and that's that's

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Speaker 1: what we did. And literally just got my heart back

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Speaker 1: to my resting heart needed, you know, fifty eight pieces

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Speaker 1: in minutes, and I would like, all right, let's rob

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Speaker 1: a bank. Now, the timeline was very last minute, because

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Speaker 1: at no point did we ever look at each other

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Speaker 1: and say, let's get in the car, let's load up

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Speaker 1: the guns, let's rob a bank, and let's have a

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Speaker 1: shootout with the cops. At no point was that ever

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Speaker 1: on the table. It makes a little bit to work

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Speaker 1: your nerve up to do it. So yeah, we hit

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Speaker 1: that rankin and we rolled out of Georgia, and we

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Speaker 1: weren't already committed after the Vinepeal in Florida, so we

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Speaker 1: were really committed after that. And finally, and it never

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Speaker 1: before heard interview, the Dougherty's mother weighs in on what happened.

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Speaker 1: Not once in ten years has anyone asked me what

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Speaker 1: happened my opinion, So I have had ten years to

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Speaker 1: think about what I want to say about my children,

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Speaker 1: and I want to say three things more on that

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Speaker 1: next time. The Dougherty Gang is executive produced by Stephanie

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Speaker 1: lie Decker and me Courtney Armstrong, along with Beth Greenwald,

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Speaker 1: Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. Editing and sound design is

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Speaker 1: by Jeff Ta, mixing by Peter Nay. Additional producing by

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Speaker 1: Chris Graves and Jeff Shane. The Doctor Gang is a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio and Katie Studios. For more

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