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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the latest with missing and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: presumed dead baby Emmanuel Harrow. Then we'll talk about a

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Speaker 1: toddler who survived a murder suicide, a man who slipped

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend abortion pills, and the dangers of getting back

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Speaker 1: Allie Dental Veneers. We also have a couple of stories

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Speaker 1: related to rare and unusual family circumstances, including one family

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Speaker 1: with a strong history of having four or more babies

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Speaker 1: per pregnancy, and a shocking case of a woman who

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Speaker 1: unknowingly married a very very very close family member. All

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Speaker 1: that and more on today's episode, let's get started with

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Speaker 1: the update on baby Emmanuel.

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Speaker 2: So, for you guys who are part of our YouTube

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Speaker 2: live over the weekend, we had talked about baby Emmanuel's

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Speaker 2: parents being arrested and even more information has come out

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Speaker 2: since then, which is nuts because that was only a

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Speaker 2: couple days ago. But quick reminder, it was the mother

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Speaker 2: who claimed she was changing her son's diaper in a

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Speaker 2: parking lot of a Big five store when somebody all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden came up to her said, oh Lah

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Speaker 2: knocked her out and then took the baby. But of

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Speaker 2: course police immediately said there was a lot of inconsistencies

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Speaker 2: with her story. Let's not forget the father has a

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Speaker 2: history of child abuse, and now they have no evidence

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Speaker 2: to suggest this kid was kidnapped. In fact, new information's

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Speaker 2: coming out that he hasn't been seen in over a

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Speaker 2: month by other family members. This is exactly going like

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Speaker 2: the Casey Anthony case.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like to me, it's so

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Speaker 1: glaringly obvious, and the police thought so since day one,

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Speaker 1: because they never put out an amberiler and I never

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Speaker 1: even looked for the kid, and by all accountsless and like,

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Speaker 1: I need everybody to stop saying that this guy did

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Speaker 1: former child abuse, because that could be There's lots of

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Speaker 1: different things that fall under the category of child abuse,

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Speaker 1: including neglect, and sometimes it could be something minor versus

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Speaker 1: all the way up to what this guy did, which

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Speaker 1: should be called attempted murder because he almost killed his

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Speaker 1: child to the point where she has permanent disabilities and

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Speaker 1: really no quality of life. She's never going to have

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Speaker 2: At all.

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Speaker 1: She is completely wheelchair bound and has to be taken

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Speaker 1: care of for the rest of her life because he

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Speaker 1: beat her so severely. And I'm so this case just

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Speaker 1: in fury because this guy after he was beating only

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Speaker 1: a ten week old baby who also had evidence of

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Speaker 1: healed fractures, which means he was beaten that kid way

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Speaker 1: before ten weeks, I mean, the kid's not even two

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Speaker 1: months old, right, It's it's completely unacceptable that he was

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Speaker 1: house to rest work release situation. So I really think

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Speaker 1: that they should make legislation that is okay, judge, if

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Speaker 1: that he could be rehabilitated, that's fine, give him that chance.

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Speaker 1: But if this guy hurts someone else, then you also

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Speaker 1: get charged when he gets charged, because it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: and do this again. It's just it's not fair to

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, if you're capable of hurting a

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Speaker 2: much worse. And obviously we're seeing it happen all over again.

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Speaker 2: He has other children involved. I'm sure these situations are

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Speaker 2: not isolated to just these two kids, right, They have

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Speaker 2: to be all affected in some type of way. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also, I mean you're right. I mean she got

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Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry. If one of my children were missing,

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Speaker 1: In the press conference, they were referring to the baby

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Speaker 1: in the past tense I heard this morning on another show,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what's up with that. I guess

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Speaker 2: Of course, why are they even bringing him out there?

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Speaker 2: And then the mom's doubling down that no, he was kidnapped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's important to note that he has more children,

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Speaker 1: He didn't intentionally hurt hurt the child like we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: so in theory, you would abort the baby. The thing

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00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: is is that sometimes if you just take that particular

436
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: drug and you don't take the other drug that helps

437
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: contrack the uterus and expel it, sometimes it doesn't always work.

438
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: But then obviously, like in a case like this, it

439
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: did work by just taking the one pill. She ended

440
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: up having a miscarriage and called nine one one and

441
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: they found her in the bathroom with blood all over her,

442
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: and the guy just admitted to authorities right there what

443
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: he did. So this is just an It's an interesting

444
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: debate for me because apparently this guy has been charged

445
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: with two counts of intentional homicide of an unborn child,

446
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: which carries the same potential punishment as a conviction for

447
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: first degree murder, which is twenty to sixty years in prison.

448
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: I just have a lot of questions with this case because,

449
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: of course, first I'm like, where are people just getting

450
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: abortion pills? Because you just said that this guy got

451
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: it from some girl on a campus. Of course they

452
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: don't know what this campus is. But where is that

453
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: girl even getting them from. Is she going to a

454
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 2: clinic and getting prescribed them or is she getting them

455
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: over the counter? How are they just so accessible to people.

456
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that you can get them over the

457
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: counter as of right now, but they do have them

458
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: in drug stores if you have a prescription. So let's say,

459
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: for example, maybe the girl thought that she was pregnant

460
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: and then she ended up getting her period and didn't

461
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: need it. That's a possibility that she just had it

462
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: like sitting around because of that. But there's lots of

463
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, how you can go online and get like

464
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: erectile dysfunction drugs and ozempic just by having a short

465
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: video call with someone and they could prescribe it to you,

466
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: like they have it at CBS and stuff. If you

467
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: have a prescription, you could pick it up. So there's

468
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: that possibility, and then there's just the possibility that she

469
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: perhaps works at a clinic that has them and just

470
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Speaker 1: has access to them. I mean, it's the same thing

471
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: like how do you sell percocets on the street. It's

472
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: done illegally, but people get them all the time.

473
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I guess other questions I had were

474
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: in the past when we've reported stories like this, the

475
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: women said like the guy were either putting it in

476
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: their food or giving it to them, saying it was

477
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: like a prenatal vitamin or something. I just I don't

478
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: believe this article disclosed how he was giving them to her, right,

479
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: but he was very open that he didn't want the baby.

480
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: I just don't.

481
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: I just have a lot of questions about the laws

482
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: surrounding this because obviously, like if she so, she's seven weeks,

483
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: so if she decided to go get an abortion, then

484
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: that's fine.

485
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: But then if.

486
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't want the baby, then he could go to

487
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: jail for the rest of his life.

488
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was the way in which he went

489
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: to like he was poisoning her.

490
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: I know, but but like he's getting charged with the baby,

491
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: harming the baby, the fetus, right, And then on top

492
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: of that, about the case that we just talked about

493
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: with emmanuel' harrow and j Carro, the dad, I just

494
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand. So if you have a live fetus

495
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: that's born to be a baby, and then you almost

496
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: kill it, you don't get any jail time barely and

497
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: any trouble. But like if there's a fetus that's seven weeks,

498
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: that's not even anything yet you can go to jail

499
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: for twenty to sixty years. And like, I just don't

500
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: understand how the laws are written. It's just very weird

501
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: to me.

502
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: They're not federal laws. They're different by state. This law

503
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: we're talking about with this case pertains the Illinois law

504
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: in particular, and the herow case is in California, which

505
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: I think it's an important cover. And see what you're

506
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 2: saying too about like if a woman gets an abortion, Like,

507
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting, you know, conversation to have

508
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: because obviously, if you should have sex, you should know

509
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: the result could be having a child. So both parties

510
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: need to take responsibility in that case. But I guess

511
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: maybe the woman has more power over it because she's

512
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: physically carrying the baby. Right, Oh yeah, in this case,

513
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: he's poisoning not I guess yeah, And I mean he

514
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: it just it just seems like, I mean, it is

515
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: just like a weird.

516
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: It's just a weird conversation to have because yes, he's

517
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: poison in her, but he should get more obviously, because

518
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: if if she wanted to keep the child like he did,

519
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: he did just keep he just killed her fetus. It's

520
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: it's going to was going to be her baby, right yeah.

521
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: So like it's just it's just a very it's just

522
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: a very weird thing, just from a guy's perspective though.

523
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: It's the laws are different be for for women and men.

524
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: They don't have but I guess like there's really just

525
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: never going to be a way around that because a

526
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: guy will never carry a fetus.

527
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: So well. Also, like an abortion is like a is

528
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: a clinical choice, and it's something that I guess not

529
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: in all states now, but in that state, is something

530
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: that's considered a legal thing to do, whereas he's slipping

531
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: somebody pills to murder an unborn child, you know.

532
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean if she got the pills and

533
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: took them, it would be the same outcome.

534
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: But it would if she if she illegally got the pills,

535
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: it would she'd probably get the same charge, whereas if

536
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: she went to the doctor and was prescribed them. It's

537
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: a legal loophole, right, Yeah, It's just it's just an

538
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: interesting conversation to have. Well, yeah, of course it is.

539
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: But I mean it's you can't just mess up people medicine,

540
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Yeah, and you can't.

541
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: It's just it's just hard to say because you're like,

542
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: that's not fair that he's making that choice for her.

543
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, it's like, well, like

544
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: that happens in the reverse all the time.

545
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: You know, Like, well, I guess it's just allowed because

546
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: the woman's physically carrying the baby. Yeah, but but but

547
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: like if you have I'm just saying, like if the

548
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: situation was vice versa and he said I really want

549
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: to keep the baby, and she says no and takes

550
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: that pill, then like nobody's in trouble. Yeah, it's just

551
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation.

552
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I don't like, honestly, I don't

553
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: really care because I'm not a guy and I don't

554
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: have to ever deal with that, I guess. I mean,

555
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's just it's just worth noting. I

556
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: guess that it's it's not really ever gonna be my problem,

557
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: but it's just interesting that it's different.

558
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, I am interested about people's opinions on this because

559
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: I think you could argue, like either way you know

560
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's just one of those things,

561
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: like I guess it just depends on your personal beliefs

562
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: and everything.

563
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Well, and in general, I would say that it's never okay.

564
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: It's never okay to give someone something that they're not

565
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: aware of. Even I'll go as far as say, is

566
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: like if someone's vegetarian and you like slip me in

567
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: their food, it's just not cool, like to do something

568
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: simple like that, especially to drug someone ever.

569
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, it's.

570
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: Just it's just the debate of who who makes the decision,

571
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: who gets to I mean, because DNA wise of a fetus,

572
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: it's it is.

573
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Half his and it's half hers. But it's all before

574
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: people get in a tizzy, we're not saying it was

575
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: okay he gave her the pills, like perfectly clear, that

576
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: was not okay.

577
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm more I'm honestly more concerned with I mean, like,

578
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: let's say I don't even know how to say this.

579
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: Let's say she wasn't pregnant and he just gave her

580
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: drugs to Let's say he gave her whatever to get

581
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: her high or to get her you know, gave her benadryl.

582
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: So she would fall asleep so he could have sex

583
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: with her. Like, what would the charges be poisoning? Yeah,

584
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: but it would it be would it be twenty to

585
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: sixty years in prison? Like I'm just I'm just more

586
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: annoyed of of the charges being so heavy for this

587
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: guy when we just talked about a child that was

588
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: almost be to death that.

589
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: Got a slap on the wrist. Yeah, But like I

590
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: just said, they're in different states, so you can't look

591
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: at them because they're under different jurisdictions and they're handled differently.

592
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: It maybe, but seriously, it might be similar because in California,

593
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: and I don't know if the rules have changed within

594
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: twenty years or whatever it's been since Lacy Peterson and stuff.

595
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: But like he actually, Scott Peterson actually got charged with

596
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: the homicide of Connor Peterson too, even though he wasn't

597
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: born yet. Because and that doesn't happen in every state

598
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: that people can get in trouble for harming a fetus

599
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: while while in utero, So it may be a lull

600
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: in California too, is what I'm saying. But people are

601
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: gonna argue that in the case of the Harrows, that

602
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: that baby did not die even though she has no

603
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: quality of life anymore, but she did not die, so like,

604
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: that's probably where the line is, right, So six twenty

605
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: to sixty years in prison if the person dies, and

606
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: one day in prison if they almost die. Yeah, well,

607
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing it's ridiculous, but that's where they're going to

608
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: argue the life is drawn. Yeah, which is ridiculous. Okay.

609
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: A woman has been arrested after performing unlicensed dental work

610
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: on patients and most horrifically installing fake veneers with super glue.

611
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: So they were saying in the article like that, the

612
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: American Dental Association doesn't. It puts out a statement that

613
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: says to not go to people who are veneer technicians.

614
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: So I was looking into it to see if that's

615
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: the thing, because I was always under the assumption that

616
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: a dentist was the only person allowed to do that.

617
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: A licensed dentist. Me too, I would never even think

618
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: to get dental work of any capacity done anywhere other

619
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: than a dental office. This girl was doing it at

620
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: a beauty bar.

621
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Speaker 1: I am still I do still have questions though, for

622
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: those of you that work in this field, because it

623
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: looks like the American Dental Association is writing it in

624
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: such a way that says that the the dental veneer

625
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: dental texts are not it's just says it's they're not

626
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: typically licensed and really only dental work can be done

627
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: by a licensed person. But also I would think that

628
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: dental hygienists are licensed as well, and I don't know

629
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: if they're legally allowed to apply them. There's also I

630
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: know that there's lab technicians that make the actual veneers.

631
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: They they you know, they match the color and they

632
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: shape and they do the mold and all that stuff.

633
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's a person like that. Obviously,

634
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they're trained to apply them.

635
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: They just make them.

636
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Like I mean, they're like sculptures kind of, you know.

637
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: So it is it's interesting, But at the same time

638
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: you look at it and you say, well, people, it's

639
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of similar to just putting like fake nails on

640
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a person in a way.

641
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: And obviously this but you're not what's super glue in

642
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: your mouth?

643
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: No you're not. But I'm saying like this this woman

644
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: was saying, oh, like I'm just gonna do it, because

645
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: it's the same exact thing as putting fake nails on

646
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: a person, and obviously this is why people were having

647
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: all these problems. It's just it's just kind of interesting

648
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: the difference. I mean, teeth are a whole different ballgame

649
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: than fingernails. They're the first part of your gi track

650
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: and they they're not your fingernails. They I mean, just

651
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: think about the amount of pain. Although one could argue

652
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: that your fingernails hurt pretty bad too if you have

653
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: trauma to them, but your teeth or a.

654
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Whole other level.

655
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: But there's definitely things that could be wrong with your mouth,

656
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: such as having tooth decay or having some kind of

657
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: gum disease that would make you not a candidate for veneers.

658
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: And if you have a person that's not a dentist

659
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: that doesn't recognize those pathologies and then tries to give

660
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: you these vine years with these chemicals that aren't approved

661
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: for the mouth, you could make these these underlying pathologies worse.

662
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: And just even if you have perfectly healthy teeth and

663
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: try to do this, you could really give a person

664
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: lifelong problems. That's going to number one, cause them to

665
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: be in pain and also can cause them to have

666
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: to put out thousands and thousands of dollars for dental work.

667
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: Did like, don't when you get your veneers, you have

668
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: to get your teeth drilled down for them to work.

669
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: Like in the way I'm understanding this in my mind,

670
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: I guess the way I'm visualizing this is she's buying

671
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: like flippers off of Amazon and then just super gluing

672
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: them on people's teeth. They're not getting the individual ones done.

673
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 2: Because this article was saying that real veneers could cost

674
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: more than one thousand dollars per tooth, but this girl

675
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: was offering three thousand dollars for an entire set and

676
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: promising a lifespan of five to seven years.

677
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Well, so I'm saying, I guess when it costs that

678
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: much of tooth, though, that's obviously an up charge from

679
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: the dentist as well. So the dentist when they get

680
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: it from the lab, they're not paying anywhere near that

681
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: much per tooth. They just upcharge to put it on

682
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: because they can. Right, So this woman, I don't know,

683
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: like you know a lot of people go to Mexico

684
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: and stuff and get vinyars, like she might have connections

685
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to someone there that makes them really cheap in the lab. Also,

686
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: you're right, like it could It could totally be like

687
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: she's buying some kit online and for a fake flipper.

688
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: Tell tell them what a flipper is because some people

689
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: might not know what that is.

690
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: Well, if you've ever watched Toddlers and Tierras, that's what

691
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: I learned what a flipper is. It's literally like fake

692
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: teeth that you just snap over your teeth and it

693
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: looks really fake in person. But I don't know if

694
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: that's what she was getting these veneers. So let me

695
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: tell you guys the story, because I had I had

696
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: a real vineer story. So when I was in when

697
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: I was at Drexel and I was getting ready to

698
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: graduate as a PA, I was like, Oh, I'm going

699
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: to buy myself a graduation present because I'm getting this

700
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 2: job or we're going to get paid all this money,

701
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get veneers on my teeth. And

702
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: so I was at my local dentist that i'd been

703
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: going to for a couple of years, and I said

704
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: to them it was in my last year of school,

705
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, when I graduate, I'm going

706
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: to get veneers. So do you guys have a recommendation

707
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: of a cosmetic dentist? And then my dentist was like, oh,

708
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: we do them here, and I was like, oh you do, okay, cool,

709
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: because I really liked that office and stuff. I just

710
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: didn't even think anything of it. And so they said, oh,

711
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: we can probably get some of it covered by insurance

712
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: and this, that and the other, and it would cost you.

713
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it was. I feel like

714
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: it was pretty cheap, like five thousand dollars, which is

715
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: cheap for veneers, way too cheap. Yeah, So but they

716
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: were like putting it under insurance partially so that like

717
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: I had to pay five thousand, I'll pocket.

718
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what they ended up getting.

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: So they they said, oh, we could do like this

720
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: payment plan is so you could get them done like

721
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: next week and if you want. So of course I

722
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: was like okay, yay, and I got so they they

723
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I went in and they sold my teeth down, my

724
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: natural teeth like way too small. So now they're permanently

725
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: like small teeth, and gives me vinears and him and

726
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: the lady literally like pull out a box and they're

727
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: like reading the instructions while they're doing them on me,

728
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: and and I'm just kind of like, okay, maybe they're

729
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: just trying to be thorough.

730
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

731
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: So I get them done and they were a little

732
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: huge and like chick lity looking. But when you have

733
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: the little nubs for a couple of weeks before the

734
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: permanent teeth come in, they just everything looks huge because

735
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: you're you're now looking at your teeth that are so small.

736
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: So I get them done and then I go home

737
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: that day and I was eating a sandwich out of

738
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: just like soft bread, like a soft bread turkey sandwich,

739
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: and my front tooth popped off right that night, and

740
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, and what the hell

741
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: call them up? And now, because now I'm in school

742
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: and working, don't have really that much time. It was

743
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: when I first started dating Gabe too, so I was like,

744
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: wanted to look really like nice. I couldn't be like,

745
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: oh I don't have a tooth tonight, we can't hang

746
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: out whatever. So I went and they glued it on

747
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: an emergency and they were like, oh, it's probably because

748
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: we just did them and they didn't they weren't cured

749
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: yet or whatever, and just be careful, don't bite into anything.

750
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't even bite into a piece

751
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: of bread. I thought like they told me not to

752
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: bite into like an apple or corn on the cob,

753
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: not a piece of bread.

754
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: Right.

755
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was like, oh cool, so I could

756
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: just like never eat sandwiches again the rest of my

757
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: life whatever. And then so then over the course of

758
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: two weeks, I was there nine times because they were

759
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: popping off every single day. Right, it was so bad.

760
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: And thank god. I was rotating at Penn and one

761
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: of the cytotechs that I was there with in the

762
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: room said to me, oh, I had my venears done

763
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: by I'll say doctor Don in Cherry Hill because he's

764
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: awesome and he like saved my teeth, thank God. So

765
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: she's like, go talk to him. He's so good and

766
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: see if he could help you. Because I She's like,

767
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I've had mine for twenty five years and I've never

768
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: lost one.

769
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: And I was like what, So, so I went at

770
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: US nine this week.

771
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went at a consult with him, and

772
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: so number one starts off. He's just like, these don't

773
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: fit and they're giving you gum disease. And I got

774
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: something called a piogenic granuloma, which was a nodule that

775
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: grew in my gums because of the trauma from the

776
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: procedure they did the first.

777
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: Time on me.

778
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: So he says to me, like, I have to they

779
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: were not applied correctly, and he could tell because one

780
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: of my teeth were popped off, of course, when I

781
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: went there to show him, and he's like, they didn't

782
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: do prep your teeth correctly, and they took off too

783
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: much enamel off of your teeth and that's why they're

784
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: not sticking and that's why they hurt so bad. And

785
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: he was like, listen, you, I have to take all

786
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: of these off, and you have to go to a

787
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: gum surgeon and get this thing removed, and you can't

788
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: have them until the gum surgeon tells me that. It's

789
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: like a periodontist tells me that it's okay that you

790
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: get them put back on. So now I had to

791
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: have little nub teeth, couldn't even put the temporaries on.

792
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Had to have little nub teeth for months, right mind,

793
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: you just dating Gabe, So I avoided him for a while,

794
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: which was fine because he was totally like a side

795
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: note first starting to date him. Anyway, it all worked out,

796
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: but so he finally gave me my new teeth, and

797
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: I've had them since I was like, U, what, seventeen

798
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: years now, I've had them and I only had one

799
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: pop off last year after fifteen or sixteen years of

800
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: having them. And actually that was one hundred percent my

801
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: fault because I was eating like I think it was

802
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: a jolly rancher or something that was like stuck on

803
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: it and I pulled, like I vigorously tried to pull

804
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: it off. It was one hundred percent my fault, and

805
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: I got it put back on and it's not been

806
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: a problem since, like this guy fixed and saved my teeth.

807
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: And so I actually wrote a letter to the other

808
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: dentist and told them that I was gonna have to

809
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: get a lawyer because now I had to pay. And

810
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: this was what fifteen seventy whatever years ago, I had

811
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: to pay thirteen thousand dollars to get them fixed. I

812
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: had to do it because, like I had, my teeth

813
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: hurts so bad.

814
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: But that they clearly didn't know what they were doing,

815
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: so they shouldn't have offered the service.

816
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and here, like I wrote this guy this letter

817
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: and was just like, please don't make me like I've

818
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: been your patient forever and all this stuff, and he

819
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: sent me a check in the mail for thirteen thousand

820
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: dollars to give the doctor Don.

821
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: It was crazy. Well she knew he made it right.

822
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it all worked out well, thank god. But

823
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: the whole point of my story is to tell you,

824
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: like I kind of went through hell for a solid

825
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: year because I had who was an actual license dentist

826
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: who took a class on the weekend to learn how

827
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: to do veneers. So I'm just telling you guys this,

828
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: like do your research and if it's cheap, then I

829
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: would just not even try to think about it because

830
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: of like you see with me, mine was cheap and

831
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: then what happened to end up costing so much more

832
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: money because it had to be fixed. And like doctor

833
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: Don had to do like block out a whole day

834
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: to do my teeth because he had to do some

835
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: special prep because they were all screwed up and all

836
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: this stuff. And you know he deserves to get paid

837
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: for what he's doing too, So like this is this

838
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: is how it works.

839
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: There's just certain things you don't skimp out on, and

840
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 2: I think anything done to your face is just not

841
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: worth going the cheaper route. There's just a lot, not

842
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: even certain things, there's a lot of things you should

843
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: not get a cheaper price on. I mean, this isn't

844
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: like getting a sweater like at an expensive store versus

845
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: getting it on Amazon. This is literally something on your

846
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: face and going in your mouth, which is really important.

847
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: And she only got reported after a couple of people

848
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: got infections, So that's not good.

849
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: You know how Franny Fine always says that that is

850
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: one thing you always pay retail for, Yeah, like plastic

851
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: surgery anything like that. Like, yeah, so so I don't know.

852
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I guess she's gonna she's gonna get in trouble. She

853
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: she Well, that's another thing too. She was promising that

854
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: it was gonna cause it was they would last for

855
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: five to seven years, which.

856
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: You're saying is not the normal timeframe at all, Like

857
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: they should be lasting a really long time.

858
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

859
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Theyde me think it was flip first, like I probably

860
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: will need to get mine replaced in like at another

861
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: point in my life.

862
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 1: They're not going to last. I mean maybe they will.

863
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I even said that to doctor Donnod,

864
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: was like, shouldn't I be getting them replaced around fifteen

865
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: twenty years? And he's just kind of like, listen if

866
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: they're staying on and they still look good, Like just

867
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Speaker 1: that's it.

868
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: So like that five to seven time frame seems really specific.

869
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: Do you think on the super glue she was using

870
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: that said that was the durability timeline on the glue.

871
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: It's actually I'm actually just really curious about the it

872
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: in general, that how they would stay on, Like how

873
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: long would it really stay on if you just use

874
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: super glue. I mean you could really dry, you have

875
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: to dry the tooth completely. But I just I'm curious

876
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: as to what she was doing. If they were even

877
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: lasting a week on people, I highly doubt it. Yeah,

878
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean it's just outrageous.

879
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, she was charged with fraud and practicing dentistry without oleasans,

880
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: among other offenses, so we'll see if she she'll probably

881
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 2: get more jail time than the guy that beat out baby.

882
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: You know that.

883
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room guys.

884
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: This past weekend, we had a great YouTube live. We

885
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: talked about Emmanuel Harrow like we were talking about today,

886
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: but we also talked about the Menendez brothers, So if

887
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: you want to check that out, you can go watch

888
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: that video again. We also talked about that case of

889
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: the mom that was intentionally draining blood from her kid

890
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: to make him sick.

891
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: That was That was horrible.

892
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: That was horrible. So yeah, so you could listen to

893
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: that past episode and we'll also have one again this Friday.

894
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: And this week our high profile death dissection was on

895
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: sudden infant death syndrome. So I want you guys to

896
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: read it to see why. I think it's kind of

897
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: not really a thing, but we go through all of

898
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: it in depth, and I think it's I think it's

899
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: a really good article.

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00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, head over to the grossroom dot com now to

901
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: sign up. Okay, So a woman had a son, ended

902
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: up giving him up for adoption due to financial hardship.

903
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Years later, she ends up meeting this guy, they get married,

904
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Speaker 2: they have two kids. This part kind of confused me

905
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: because they had to take this DNA test. What they're

906
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: saying was part of a legal consultation about their children's future.

907
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: But the results of that test said that this woman's

908
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: husband was the son that she gave up for adoption

909
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: decades before.

910
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: So this case is basically saying that this woman is

911
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: the grandmother to her own children.

912
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she married her biological son, had two children

913
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Speaker 2: with him, do you think they have any issues because

914
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: we've written about inbreeding in the past, maybe that's why

915
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: they were giving them a DNA test. I don't know. Yeah,

916
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: that part just kind of confused me. And now it

917
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Speaker 2: says they're separated, but I'm under the assumption that they're

918
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Speaker 2: separated because of what the DNA test suggested, because how

919
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: could you possibly state married to somebody that you now

920
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: know as your son and now other people know too.

921
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean they put this information on online though, so

922
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Speaker 2: I guess not everybody needed to know what was going on.

923
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Speaker 1: This case is actually a couple years old, but it's

924
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Speaker 1: been circulating online in a couple places, so I thought

925
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Speaker 1: it would be good to talk about this week. We

926
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Speaker 1: did do a high profile dissection on inbreeding a couple

927
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: years ago in the Gross Room, and it really goes

928
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: through all of the reasons why, especially with Royalty, that

929
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: they wanted to have this pure bloodline, and just how

930
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: terrible it is to be having children with people so

931
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: close to your DNA. So the closest that you can

932
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: have is with one of your your parents or your children,

933
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: because you share fifty percent of DNA with that person,

934
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Speaker 1: and the more closer your DNA is the more likely

935
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Speaker 1: of a chance of having a genetic disorder that gets

936
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: passed on through families. So the best case scenario is

937
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: to marry someone that doesn't have any of your genetic

938
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Speaker 1: material at all for the highest chance of not inheriting

939
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: a generic genetic disorder. I don't know like it. Obviously,

940
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Speaker 1: the question comes up that it's just grosses you out

941
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: because most of us sitting here are just thinking about

942
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: having family and cousins and just thinking like, oh god,

943
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: that's just weird. I just went and cross that line.

944
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: But in this case where I mean, we could talk

945
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: all about a thirty six year old marrying a twenty

946
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: one year old. I don't even understand what that's about.

947
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: But regardless, she didn't know it was her.

948
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Kid, So.

949
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Finding out afterwards after you have two kids with someone

950
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: is just I mean, it's bizarre. It's nothing anyone else

951
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: is ever going to deal with in the history of life, probably,

952
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: but like you're gonna get divorced over that. It just

953
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: seems it seems like it's kind of it's done and

954
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: over with, the worst part's done and over with.

955
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: How are you gonna I'm sure there were.

956
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Other issues, probably had to do with the fact that

957
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: she was thirty six.

958
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: And he was twenty one. But in some states you

959
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: have to get a blood test before you get married,

960
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: and that maybe they need to start putting that practice

961
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: back in every state, because it's only in certain ones.

962
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: It's really discussing it's.

963
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Not the thing is is that actually in New Jersey,

964
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: which is weird because my state is pretty strict with

965
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: certain things. But in New Jersey, if a mom and

966
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Speaker 1: is someone to get married over eighteen years old, go

967
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: for it. Some states it's completely illegal and you could

968
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: get arrested for it, but not in New Jersey, go

969
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: for it as long as you're over eighteen.

970
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's wrong with Prince Andrew because his parents

971
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: were cousins.

972
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he ended up sing well, I was

973
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: thinking that like all of them though, right, like.

974
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could say that Charles is just

975
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: kind of an asshole. I don't really know much about

976
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: Princess Anne, do you what. No, I don't really know

977
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 2: about the royals as much as you do, for sure.

978
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I don't really know much about Anne and Edward. But

979
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: I mean I know most about Charles because I love

980
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: Princess Diana. And we know how that went. And then

981
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew has seemingly been a sex pest for many decades.

982
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I think it's camp. Did you

983
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: see today that apparently a Virginia geu Frey is coming

984
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: out with a bulk post tert suicide. Oh, like she

985
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: already had it in the works.

986
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: I guess it looks like it looks like there's a

987
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: book coming out that is from her. So it must

988
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: have been in the works or in her writings or

989
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: they were able to get stuff together. But we'll talk

990
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: about that, like.

991
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we can't even start getting into the Epstein

992
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: suff right now. That could be an entire episode in itself,

993
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: especially with everything going.

994
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I just wanted to tell you.

995
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll tell you. I'll read it when it

996
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: comes out, trust me, I'm interested to see what she

997
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: has to say, So I'll read it and then report back.

998
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up with this this last uh,

999
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: this last case of this family that has these multiple pregnancies.

1000
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: A mom who is a quadruplet just became a first

1001
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: time mom to quintuplets. Like, how crazy is this?

1002
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: So it's apparently it's so rare that the odds are

1003
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: one in fifty five to one in fifty seven million

1004
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: chants of this happening, and and really really as far

1005
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: as her having the five the quintuplets, and the reason

1006
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: it is is because now when you hear somebody has

1007
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: like eight babies, you're just kind of like, whatever this

1008
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: has been Johnny kas Yeah, You're just kind of like, okay,

1009
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: them all at one time, Like she had quintuplets naturally,

1010
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: no IVF drugs. So that's why it's so rare. It

1011
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: almost seems like a party is like that's not true,

1012
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: you're lying, you know. But there's a case actually I

1013
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about real quick, and this is another

1014
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: thing we could go on a tangent about, but I

1015
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: was looking into this and over ninety years ago there

1016
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: were quintuplets that were naturally created, called the Diwne Quintuplets,

1017
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: and they have a really crazy story actually in Time

1018
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: magazine that maybe we could talk about at another time.

1019
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: But they they were born to this family and then

1020
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: apparently the government took them away for a while because

1021
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: they thought that the parents didn't have the smarts, were

1022
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: the money to take care of them, so they kind

1023
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: of put them in this nursery, but there were these

1024
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: like five beautiful little girls, and they like let the

1025
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: public come and gawk at them. And then this doctor

1026
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: wrote a book about them, and then he became a millionaire.

1027
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Well in today's day, he would be considered a millionaire

1028
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: from all of the stuff he was doing with them.

1029
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: And then they finally gave the kids back to the parents,

1030
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: but they were in like palml of ads and they

1031
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: were all over Time magazine and they were just doing

1032
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: all these different ads, and the whole article goes on

1033
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: this tangent about like how they were kind of the

1034
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: original kid influencers and how terrible it ended up being

1035
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: for their lives. And then they were able to interview

1036
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: them when they were older, and they were giving advice

1037
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: to other families that had multiple births because they're just

1038
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: like media loves them to just be like, let your

1039
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: kids have a normal life and don't do what they

1040
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: did to us, because they ruined our life.

1041
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: So it's so much better to exploit these babies than

1042
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: to let them live with quote unintelligent parents. Yeah.

1043
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like how messed up that is.

1044
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this happened ninety years ago. There was no

1045
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: IVF drugs or anything to just think that this spontaneously happened.

1046
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: Is it's just so it's so rare. And so her

1047
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: mother is dead and they didn't say how if she

1048
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: was spontaneous as well, which is really interesting, Like I

1049
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: don't know if her mom took IVF drugs to get

1050
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: the quads with her.

1051
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: Well, aren't children of that are multiples more likely to

1052
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: have multiple children?

1053
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Like aren't twins more likely to have TRIK I believe

1054
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not. I'd have to look that up. I'm

1055
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure. But listen, this is another

1056
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: side note, like looking at this, so this chick in

1057
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: the pictures only holding three of her five babies, and

1058
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: she said since she found out she's pregnant, she broke

1059
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: up with her partner, so she's a single mom now. Well,

1060
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: so it looks overwhelming with just the three, and I

1061
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: can't believe that there's two more.

1062
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, as of when this article was written, only three

1063
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: of the kids were home because they were born really

1064
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: early twenty eight and a half weeks, so only three

1065
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: of them have been sent home from the nick you since,

1066
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: so two of them are still in the hospital, which

1067
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: is why she only has the picture with the three

1068
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: in the house. But I can't even imagine how overwhelming

1069
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: this would be as a single mother. Hopefully she has

1070
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean, she has three siblings as we have established,

1071
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: so hopefully that their family's really close and people are

1072
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: helping her out, because I can't imagine how chaotic this make.

1073
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: It just like just the three of them. It just

1074
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: stresses me out looking at it, and I'm like, you

1075
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: don't even have enough hands to hold the three babies, Like,

1076
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine that. It's really remarkable, though, to

1077
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: think of a human being capable of doing this without

1078
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: any intervention.

1079
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: It's very cool. Okay, let's move on to Questions of

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Speaker 2: the Week. Every Friday at the AP Mother Knows Death

1081
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Speaker 2: Instagram account, you guys can head over to our story

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Speaker 2: ask us whatever you want. Also, for our YouTube subscribers,

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Speaker 2: I've been putting a little prompt up on YouTube so

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Speaker 2: you could access that to ask us some questions as well,

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Speaker 2: because we certainly don't want you guys to feel excluded

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Speaker 2: in any way. First, when you cut open the body

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Speaker 2: in autopsies, do they bleed like a normal big cut wood?

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Speaker 1: No, because they're dead. So when whenever you bleed. When

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Speaker 1: you're alive human and you get cut, the reason that

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Speaker 1: it starts gushing out of your body is because your

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Speaker 1: heart is beating, and every single time your heart contracts,

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Speaker 1: it is pushing blood through your circulatory system, and when

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Speaker 1: there is a hole in the circulatory system, it just

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Speaker 1: goes out of the hole, just like you would see

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Speaker 1: a leak in a hose or something like that. So

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Speaker 1: once a person is dead there obviously, when you die,

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Speaker 1: your blood is still in your circulatory system. So when

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Speaker 1: you make the incisions, it might leak out when you

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Speaker 1: cut through a blood vessel, but it just kind of

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Speaker 1: drips out and it's not being pushed through. So whatever

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Speaker 1: drips out is just whatever is close to the hole there.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah, So like when because you guys,

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Speaker 2: when you're in there, so you're not just like completely

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Speaker 2: covered in blood when you're just making incisions, because the

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Speaker 2: way I'm picturing it is like horror movie esque where

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Speaker 2: you make the incision and it's just like spraying out

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Speaker 2: all over the place, but cleanly.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's a misconception that people have. Like

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Speaker 1: you have in your body a circulatory system. The heart

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Speaker 1: is the pump that pushes it through, and then the

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Speaker 1: veins bring it back to the heart, and then the

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Speaker 1: heart you know, it goes in the lungs to get oxygen,

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Speaker 1: goes back in the heart, gets pumped out, and it

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Speaker 1: just is in a circle. All of your blood is

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Speaker 1: contained within those blood vessels, so and and but they

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Speaker 1: all go down to the distal parts of every part

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Speaker 1: of your body to very very small capillaries that are

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Speaker 1: present at your fingertips. And so if you cut through

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Speaker 1: a major one when someone's alive that's going to that

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Speaker 1: could risk their life. They could die from that. And

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking like you talk about when people kill

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Speaker 1: themselves and they slit their wrists. Okay, that would be

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Speaker 1: your radial artery. That's that's not even a super major one.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty it's pretty distal. Like if you really, if

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Speaker 1: you really want to die or kill someone, like carotid

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Speaker 1: artery up in the neck or or even one in

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Speaker 1: the arm close anywhere closer to the heart would obviously

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Speaker 1: bleed more. But when you cut open someone for an autopsy,

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Speaker 1: so you cut across their chest, really you're only cutting

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Speaker 1: across like very small blood vessels in the skin because

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Speaker 1: there's no major arteries that are in the skin right there,

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Speaker 1: and it's really only until you take off the ribs

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Speaker 1: that you really start seeing more of the major blood vessels,

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Speaker 1: especially up near the heart, like the subclavian artery and

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Speaker 1: of course the aordo, which is the biggest artery in

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Speaker 1: the body. So when you cut open those vessels, and

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Speaker 1: we have to we have to cut those vessels at

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Speaker 1: some point to remove them from the body, that's when

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Speaker 1: blood pours out. But really, when you tech, if you

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Speaker 1: look at an autopsy and you take off the ribs

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at the organs, there really should not

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Speaker 1: be that much blood. Besides, the blood vessels that you

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Speaker 1: cut through that area is sterile. It should just be air,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Two thoughts unpregnant women drinking an occasional glass of wine

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Speaker 2: during pregnancy. I say, no, I just don't understand why

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Speaker 2: it's necessary, you know what I mean, Like, you can't

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Speaker 2: take like a couple, you can't take a year off

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Speaker 2: from drinking, you know what I mean. I don't really

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Speaker 2: drink that much, So like for me, it just would

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Speaker 2: be no problem at all, But for some people it

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Speaker 2: seems to be quite a challenge. And I've known a

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Speaker 2: couple of people that were pregnant and drank an occasional

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Speaker 2: glass of wine, and I'm just like, you can't just

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's a sign of weakness to me obviously,

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Speaker 1: like like honestly, like I just think it's completely it's

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Speaker 1: just completely unnecessary. You would you wouldn't never think about

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Speaker 1: I mean I know that this is not exactly the same,

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Speaker 1: but like you would never think about putting wine in

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Speaker 1: a bottle and giving it to a baby, right, It's

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Speaker 1: the same with people who smoke weed, like you, when

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Speaker 1: you have a baby like that's born with a mother

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Speaker 1: that smokes weed, they can be positive for that drug

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Speaker 1: in their system. Like why why can't you just wait?

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Speaker 1: Like there's it's just a matter of just withholding for

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Speaker 1: just a few months of your life. It's just I

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Speaker 1: don't think that it's necessary. And we know that it

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Speaker 1: passes through the child. So yeah, like if you have

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Speaker 1: a glass of wine, it's not gonna kill your kid.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not. But like why, like why aren't

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Speaker 1: you strong enough to just not have it?

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Speaker 2: I feel like for me, like if they were like

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Speaker 2: you can't have any coffee at all. That would be

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Speaker 2: really difficult for me because it's like my one thing

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy every day. But if they were like

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Speaker 2: you can't have it, I would I would have to

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Speaker 2: deal with it. It would suck. But like you have

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Speaker 2: to just put the health and your baby is a priority,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just I really just don't

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Speaker 1: understand it. I almost feel like if you feel like

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Speaker 1: you have to, maybe you're just like not ready to

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Speaker 1: do it yet. And there's lots there's lots of things

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Speaker 1: that people do through pregnancy, Like sometimes there's medications that

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Speaker 1: people have to take that might be in a class

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Speaker 1: that's considered to be dangerous, which is more harm to

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Speaker 1: the fetus than they like, or there's not really studies

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Speaker 1: that show the direct connection between them, but sometimes for

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Speaker 1: the health of the mother, it's necessary to take those medications.

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Speaker 1: But so sometimes you have to do things like that

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Speaker 1: because your your life, as much as you as much

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Speaker 1: as you shouldn't say it, your life is priority to

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Speaker 1: an extent because you're the one that's here and living

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Speaker 1: as far as your health goes. But that's your health

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Speaker 1: that doesn't have to do with like a recreational winding

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Speaker 1: down thing. I just don't I just don't see the

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Speaker 1: point of it. I don't know, Like I know that

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Speaker 1: there's arguments that people are like it's fine and it's

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Speaker 1: just and it's that, but it's just like like I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've had a glass of alcohol on a year,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: We're a completely different breed, Like we're considered freaks because

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Speaker 2: we don't drink really, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 2: like I agree with you one hundred percent, Like I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's necessary at all, but some people really

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Speaker 2: just can't do it. And it's like you're saying, it's

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Speaker 2: not a drug that you need for your health. It's

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Speaker 2: something that's purely recreational. So if you can't stop doing

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Speaker 2: it for nine months, like you need to really sit

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Speaker 2: back and evaluate it. That's my opinion on it anyway,

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Speaker 2: all right, would you ever consider doing a meat and greet?

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Speaker 2: I live in South Jersey close to Philly, So we

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Speaker 2: are doing a meat and greet in October. On October eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: we are going to be part of Dark Side, New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to be doing a live Mother Nos

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Speaker 2: death show followed by a book signing.

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Speaker 1: Where it's in Trenton, right, Edison. Oh, it's in Edison, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And it's it's a like an oddities punk rock kind

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Speaker 1: of flea market thing. Yeah, it's run by the people

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Speaker 1: that do the punk rock flea market in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: but this is all focused on oddities and they also

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Speaker 1: have other events going on, like I think last year

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Speaker 1: they had sword swallowers and tattoo and tax dermy classes

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Speaker 1: and all this other eff I'm actually really excited to

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Speaker 1: go to this because I'm going to bring a ton

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Speaker 1: of money and just buy a bunch of shit because

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Speaker 1: I love I love those things. Just going and seeing

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Speaker 1: all the different crafts people are doing with the taxidermy

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Speaker 1: and any kind of oddities. They have a lot of

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Speaker 1: antiques that are super cool, so I'm just looking forward

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Speaker 1: to go shopping. Yeah, I think it's gonna be guys.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's all day long.

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Speaker 2: I don't really. Somebody has asked if we had a

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Speaker 2: time frame when we were going on. I don't. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get any type of schedule yet, but we will

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Speaker 2: be there so we'll have more information about that. If

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Speaker 2: you are subscribed to our newsletter with the Gross Room,

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Speaker 2: you already know this information, so we had revealed it

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Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. But yeah, we're excited to

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Speaker 2: do that at October eighteenth and Edison, New Jersey at

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Speaker 2: the New Jersey Expo Center. It's going to be a

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Speaker 2: really fun day, guys. Crime Con is next week. I

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Speaker 2: seriously can't believe it's here already. I'm really excited for it,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to see you in Denver. Then. If

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Speaker 2: you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

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Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 1: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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Speaker 1: or treated any dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 1: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 1: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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