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Speaker 2: I will say Ty has a secret Mastadon account that

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Speaker 2: All I saw about Mastadon, we have a college football show.

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Speaker 2: I disagree. My highypothesis is truly message boards are the

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Speaker 1: Way, true true fandom is forged in the fires of

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Speaker 1: last two nights at the Lake.

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Speaker 1: This one's amazing. Yeah, let me play this excellent. He's

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Speaker 1: He used the stairs both nights even though there was

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Speaker 2: Well, I think people are just obsessed with inside information,

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Speaker 2: Would you take two thirds of a Saban sixty six

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Nick Saban, Right, it's Nick Saban. I think

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban is just as crazy successful for my team

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Speaker 1: Let's go on over to tech SAgs not ridiculous, I

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Speaker 2: Were, What could be problematic about that?

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Speaker 2: Think, is it just Quinn Youwers? Like he is the

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Speaker 1: Well, so what you get in return is the knowledge

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Speaker 2: But like an Evening with Sam Hartman. First off, I

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Speaker 2: Are a VIP presentation by Sam Hartman or Drew Aller.

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Speaker 1: If you.

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Speaker 2: Like, I know what could be I don't know what

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Speaker 2: That's a price tag man. So whatever, it's your money,

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Speaker 1: I think I think for general admission.

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Speaker 2: My other question to you is how far down the

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Speaker 2: I'm taking Quinn Yours as my strategy to bring in

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Speaker 2: So there is credence more than I think you're letting

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Speaker 1: Malik Murphy looks like Shack in that photo of Shaq

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would start Milke Murphy were Texas right now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how a sting operation would get a

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Speaker 1: What a post?

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to go next that?

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Speaker 1: What do you want to go next to?

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Speaker 2: All right, so I'm pulling up the list in front

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Speaker 1: Do you disagree with anything he said here?

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Speaker 1: It's like when you fly private more than once, that

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Speaker 2: Where have you grown accustomed to? Flying private? Is that

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Speaker 2: a thing? I did it? I did it once.

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Speaker 1: I was on a private jet once for a work thing,

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Speaker 1: But it was it was an experience you don't got

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Speaker 2: Were you pampered? Were you handed a hot towel?

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Speaker 1: feel like Oklahoma has grown accustomed to a certain way

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Speaker 1: of life, will adjust, I think pretty well. I agree

436
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Speaker 1: with you that the program is set up such way

437
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Speaker 1: that it's it's ready to contend on the big time

438
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Speaker 1: level in the SEC. But the schedule is going to

439
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Speaker 1: get harder and the defenses they play are going to

440
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Speaker 1: get better, and I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a picnic. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a

442
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Speaker 1: pretty significant speed bomb next year as they enter this

443
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Speaker 1: conference and start playing teams that they haven't played in

444
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Speaker 1: many cases in a long time. So I understand the

445
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Speaker 1: bit of trepidation here, especially from a fans perspective, but

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Speaker 1: I think, like much along the lines of when you

447
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Speaker 1: get a new coach, you have to give that guy

448
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Speaker 1: something of a grace period to figure it out. I

449
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Speaker 1: feel like both Texas and Oklahoma are going to be

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Speaker 1: in that category next year. If I were a fan,

451
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Speaker 1: I would probably be a little bit tenuous about this

452
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Speaker 1: as well, like, okay, like be careful what you wish for.

453
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get paid boatloads more money, but but be

454
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Speaker 1: careful what you wish for. Right Who knows which direction

455
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Speaker 1: this is going to. I don't know if most fans

456
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Speaker 1: out there are going to be willing to be patient

457
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Speaker 1: about this, especially for two storied programs like Oklahoma and Texas,

458
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Speaker 1: where the expectation is to win and always win.

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Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing about Oklahoma and the SEC where

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Speaker 2: it's not in this post specifically, but I think there's

461
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Speaker 2: subtext to it. There was a lot of like, you know,

462
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Speaker 2: maybe we had it good. Maybe texts A and M

463
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Speaker 2: and Miszoo had it better in the Big twelve. Maybe

464
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Speaker 2: it's not so bad to be a big fish in

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Speaker 2: a medium sized pond or whatever. The subtext is also,

466
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma could get away with having a deeply flawed side

467
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Speaker 2: of the ball in the Big twelve, yes, and continue

468
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Speaker 2: to win. Yes, deeply flawed in certain years is actually

469
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Speaker 2: pretty nice to what they mounted on defense, and so

470
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Speaker 2: now in the SEC it kind of can't get away

471
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Speaker 2: with being Oklahoma. No, you kind of can't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you can't paper over some of

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Speaker 1: those sins, right, and so I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Saying Oklahoma can't win the conference. I think Oklahoma absolutely

475
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Speaker 2: at its peak. If we expect Brent Vennables to get

476
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Speaker 2: defense sorted out, if we expect him to string together

477
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Speaker 2: top eight classes, which I think he's capable of doing

478
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Speaker 2: kind of thing, finding quarterbacks of the future, building up

479
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Speaker 2: depth on defense, finding playmakers on offense, continuing Oklahoma's offensive

480
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: line tradition. They can absolutely occupy either a lightning in

481
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Speaker 2: a bottle or good team that becomes great based on

482
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Speaker 2: other teams collapsing. They can fill that void in the SEC.

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Speaker 2: But they can't get away with being Oklahoma. They cannot

484
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Speaker 2: get away with being recent Oklahoma in the SEC. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is. I don't know which

486
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Speaker 2: space they would occupy, like where LSU was last year

487
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Speaker 2: making the conference title game with some flaws. I don't

488
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Speaker 2: know who it is. You know Tennessee jumping up when

489
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Speaker 2: everything is right, and you know quarterback is a fourth,

490
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Speaker 2: fifth year guy. But there is something about what we've

491
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Speaker 2: come to understand about Oklahoma recently in the SEC, and

492
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Speaker 2: everybody in the end short of Alabama since like two

493
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight has had really mortal stretches. Sure, whether

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Speaker 2: it's the end of Ricked and beginning of Kirby at Georgia,

495
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Speaker 2: whether it's where Florida has been these past few years,

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Speaker 2: whether it's you know, Tennessee literally until last season. You know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the back half of Less Miles, the back

498
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Speaker 2: half of Coach Oe, whatever at LSU. There are going

499
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Speaker 2: to be voids to be filled that a competent or

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Speaker 2: really good Oklahoma team could absolutely fill. But I go

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Speaker 2: back to ooh, being a pretty big fish isn't as

502
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Speaker 2: fun as being a huge fish.

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Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing now that I think is

504
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Speaker 1: kind of ironic about this whole thing. Obviously, they're going

505
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Speaker 1: to get paid more money, and that's why they're That's

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Speaker 1: why they're doing this. And look, it's not like moving

507
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Speaker 1: to the SEC is a move void of prestige. It

508
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Speaker 1: is a move that has the utmost prestige. You're going

509
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Speaker 1: to the perceived best conference of college football. But what's

510
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: interesting is starting next year, I think the focus shifts.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you want to win a coence, of course

512
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Speaker 1: you want to win a national championship. But as we've

513
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Speaker 1: talked about time to get on the show, the goal

514
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Speaker 1: is to get to the playoff. Now, the goal is

515
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Speaker 1: to get to that playoff. Yep, outside of the five teams,

516
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Speaker 1: five Power five teams whatever that win a conference championship,

517
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Speaker 1: and the one group of five team that they're going

518
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Speaker 1: to let in. Outside of those six teams, there are

519
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Speaker 1: six slots available for other schools to get in as well.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell me that Oklahoma in the Big twelve

521
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Speaker 1: is not an easier road than in the SEC, and

522
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Speaker 1: so with the focus shifting, of course, the money is

523
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Speaker 1: better in the SEC, but I also think the path

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Speaker 1: to get into that playoff is harder. There will be

525
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Speaker 1: multiple SEC teams every year in that playoff. That's just

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Speaker 1: a given. And at least in that sense, it stands

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Speaker 1: to benefit Oklahoma that they'll have a tough schedule.

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Speaker 2: There will probably be three teams every year.

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Speaker 1: Right probably, yeah, absolutely, But it stands to reason that

530
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Speaker 1: it's still a much easier path to get into that

531
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Speaker 1: play off in the first place if you're sticking the

532
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Speaker 1: Big Twelve, though you're not making the.

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Speaker 2: Money, yeah, I mean, look, it's TV money one everything

534
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: else too. No, it'll be fascinating to watch. And are

535
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Speaker 2: you okay stringing together nine and three seasons in search

536
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: of a ten and two, eleven and one when everything connects?

537
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think Oklahoma's going to be in

538
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Speaker 2: a weird place where expectations are not aligned with reality

539
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Speaker 2: because look, you look at the Oklahoma teams from seventeen

540
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen, with incredible, devastatingly good offenses, they're probably losing

541
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Speaker 2: more often if they're playing the better Ole miss teams,

542
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: the better South Carolina teams, the better Florida teams, the

543
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: better Tennessee teams. Right, they're losing more often because they're

544
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: just facing more complete, better rosters than they happen in

545
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve. And so would that be okay? Would

546
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Speaker 2: the end result justify a rockier path and end looking

547
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: record a final looking record? I don't know. I don't

548
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: honestly know. Because people love getting worked up on message boards.

549
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: Donors love getting worked up in October, they do.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to our friends over at ugasports dot com. Dan, please,

551
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this. The title is what

552
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: if the latest blitz of negativity in the press just

553
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: funded by rival programs. Oh, I love this. This seems

554
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: very well Orange Orange, Okay, throwing some rival opponents under

555
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Speaker 1: the bus.

556
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: So Tennessee is responsible for helping to publicize and give

557
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: tips to media members that Georgia players are being or

558
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: recruits are being accused of horrendous assault, crimes, of speeding,

559
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: of everything that Georgia players have been accused of perpetrating.

560
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Speaker 1: The post here from Gators wear gene shorts? Does nil

561
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: also stand for negativity in a lay press? And somebody

562
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: else responds with you can't convince me that rival programs

563
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: like barn or Bama won't have any anonymous source reach

564
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: out with information even if it's not true. Dan, So,

565
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I love this post. Yeah, this is a beautiful post.

566
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: This is again US versus the world mentality. You get

567
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: this all the time with college football. This is what

568
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: message boards are basically all about. Of course it's not true.

569
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Speaker 1: Of course it's not true, because the Atlanta or Atlanta

570
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Speaker 1: Journal constitution excuse me, did an exhaustive investigation on, at

571
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Speaker 1: a minimum, the speeding violations and the traffic incidents that

572
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: have been a virtual epidemic at Georgia now for the

573
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons, they've tried to fix it. Kirby

574
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Smart is yet to fix it. They're going to have

575
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: to rededicate themselves to making at least that side of

576
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: it a lot better. And there are, of course a

577
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: bunch of other they're unspoken crimes that were brought up

578
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: recently in the press. No, have you happened upon this mentality,

579
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Not this specific instance, but this mentality on say Oregon

580
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: boards or anywhere else that you've.

581
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Speaker 2: Been that rivals are tipping off media.

582
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: Tipping off media. I mean, I think the more popular,

583
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of more mainstream version of this, a close cousin

584
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: is the whole negative recruiting angle. Sure, the whole negative

585
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: recruiting angle, right, Like so and so is saying this

586
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: about our program and then therefore finding a way to

587
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 1: finding a way to like, you know, keep recruits from

588
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: going to a certain school that type of thing.

589
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, look, there there's absolutely history of coaches

590
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: turning in other coaches that they feel are skirting the

591
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: rules and hurting their own programs, hurting their programs. So no,

592
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Speaker 2: I don't think generally speaking, coaches adding out other coaches

593
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: or interests, riting out other interests, or doing everything you

594
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Speaker 2: can to undermine the success of the most successful place

595
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: that has now won two national championships. I don't think

596
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: that's a crazy theory. I just don't think it's crazy.

597
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: I just think it's crazy in terms of police blotter tipping,

598
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: because all of these places reporters at major newspapers like

599
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Journal Constitution. They are scanning the police blotter

600
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: constantly for newsworthy items and are being tipped off by

601
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: people within a program, within a community. Don't think they're

602
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: being tipped off by Phil Folmer. I don't think they're

603
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: being tipped off by Shane Beemer. I don't think they're

604
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: being tipped off by Billy Napier, because those guys have

605
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: more important things to do and it'd be a very

606
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: strange look if it were to come back to them.

607
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: So this is insane, but I love it. I love

608
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Speaker 2: it that because a fan couldn't possibly this kind of

609
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: fan couldn't possibly be rooting for a team that has

610
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: more players doing bad things than other schools, right that, like,

611
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: it's inconceivable that this is anything but a conspiracy aimed

612
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: at the most successful team. I love that, and that

613
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: obviously permeates much more than just college sports. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Let's go over to Irish Illustrated dot Com. Excellent. I

615
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: should add that this comment and the ones I'm about

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Speaker 1: to read pertained to Justin Scott. Justin Scott is a

617
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Speaker 1: Justin Scott. Justin Scott is a defensive line recruit out

618
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Speaker 1: of Saint Ignatius in Chicago. It's a five star, the

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Speaker 1: number one in state of Illinois, number three d linemen

620
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Speaker 1: in the class, number fourteen overall per twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven Sports. He recently picked Ohio State over Notre Dame,

622
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Speaker 1: and there was much much consternation in an Indy nation

623
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Speaker 1: that a Chicago kid would get out of Notre Dame's grasp.

624
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: By the way, everybody recruited him. He's a five star lineman.

625
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: That's the way this goes, of course, over on Irish

626
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: Illustrated dot Com. Somebody needs to get fired. Not getting

627
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: a Chicago kid who was on the verge of committing

628
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: allegedly back in February back to campus for an official

629
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Speaker 1: visit is inexcusable. Disaster of epic proportions. Golden sucks, Al

630
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Speaker 1: Washington Sucks ND's stance on Nil sucks clown show program.

631
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Speaker 1: Dan then we've got somebody else here, responding, Marcus should

632
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: be fired. Every recruitment is his, he said, so what

633
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: else do we got here? I'm extremely confident we will

634
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: never win a national championship. Ever, I'm a realist.

635
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm a realist.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible with this university. So you know, look, you

637
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: take it on the chin. Anytime a five star decides

638
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: he wants to go elsewhere. Sure, it'd be different if

639
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: you lost them to like Illinois or Northwestern Indiana, Purdue,

640
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: places like that. That would to me, that would be

641
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: much different. But Ohio State is kind of a thing

642
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: right now. If you go to Ohio State, a pretty

643
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: good chance of making it to the NFL, pretty good

644
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: chance of making it to the playoff, winning a conference championship,

645
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: doing all sorts of things. So, though I understand the sentiment, yeah,

646
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody needs to be fired for this.

647
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Wait, so would you think somebody would need to be

648
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: fired for this if he did commit to Illinois, if

649
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: he did commit.

650
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: To No, No, I don't think.

651
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Speaker 2: But would you take that as things are not going well?

652
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: I would take it as I was taking I would

653
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: take it as his father or somebody in his family

654
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: went to Illinois and he's a legacy, right, or they

655
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: came in over the top with some insane anil deal

656
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: to get him the Champagne. That's how I would take this.

657
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: But if it happens consistently where they're losing out to

658
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: programs that are considered lesser, then that's a different conversation.

659
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Then that's probably a referendum on the whole recruiting operation

660
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: that is not really happening. The schools that Notre Dame

661
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: are losing out to are the likes of Ohio State

662
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and some of these programs that you know, we talked

663
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: about in the last episode that they're playing, right, that

664
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: they're playing this year hoping to establish themselves as a

665
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: national power.

666
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: Right, is Notre Dame beating out Ohio State or Alabama?

667
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Are they beating out the top top flight recruiting operations

668
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: for players under Marcus Freeman?

669
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would probably stop short of

670
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: saying they're beating them out.

671
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, like, is there like a five star kid that

672
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: Notre Dame has won a battle against Georgia or Michigan

673
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: or any of those schools.

674
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, obviously it's a little bit early to

675
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of comment on the twenty twenty four class, since

676
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: that can can change pretty rapidly.

677
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe nowt Michigan for CJ. Carr.

678
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Last year they beat out Michigan for CJ. Carr. I

679
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: know that there was a lot of interest around on

680
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: the country for a handful of some of the skill

681
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: guys that they got. You know, for example, I'm looking

682
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: at like Jaden Greathhouse, who they got out of Texas.

683
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: I know there was interest from him in sec land

684
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: like Oklahoma as a school that we could probably also

685
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: lump into this discussion. They offered him. They were interested

686
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: in him as well. So they're they're beating out some

687
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: of these big programs and pulling kids away from you know,

688
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: their natural geographic footprint to get up to South Bend.

689
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: But you know, it's the big ones like this that

690
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: tend to rankle the fans.

691
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: Does it rankle you?

692
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: No? No, it bothers me. Yeah, it does, but rankle

693
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: me to the point of wanting to fire people, wanting

694
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: to change the system. I think, Look, I think the

695
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: recruiting operation under Marcus Freeman is already better than it

696
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: was under Brian Kelly.

697
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

698
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I think he's I think He's done a really good job.

699
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: He's taken a new he's taken a fresh approach to

700
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: this thing, and he is definitely aggressive on the trail

701
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: in a way that Kelly wasn't. Kelly is a very

702
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: good recruiter and he built that program over the course

703
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: of however many years. But Marcus Freeman brings a new

704
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: energy that I think should excite most Notre Dame fans.

705
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Where Marcus Freeman needs to prove himself as not on

706
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: the recruiting trail, even after losing this one big guy.

707
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Where he needs to prove it is on the field.

708
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: He needs to prove it that he can get to

709
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: that top tier of national prominence and actually can tend

710
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot, get in a playoff spot and

711
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: be competitive. There were issues with game management last year.

712
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: How much of that stems from the fact that they

713
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: were starting Drew Pine, I don't know. I know there

714
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: were issues at the start of the year with developing

715
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: a running game and developing an offensive line. This year

716
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: that we're going to have some issues trying to figure

717
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: out a pass rush and things of that nature. Right,

718
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: he will, of course have things that he has to solve,

719
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: but the biggest goal for him is to try and

720
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: get over that hump. And look, it's it's probably to

721
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: go two and one against that trialvin of teams that

722
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: they have to play, and even that doesn't guarantee him

723
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: anything but USC, Ohio State and Clemson. You win one

724
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: of them, that's good. You win two of them, while

725
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman is a great coach. Right, So that's where

726
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: we're headed with this thing. I don't expect this recruiting

727
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: mishap to be stuck in the grill for all that

728
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: long because I happen to think Freeman's a pretty damn

729
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: good recruiter and if not, if not Scott, he'll find

730
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: somebody else.

731
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: Do you think Notre Dame fans like this one, that

732
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: there is a subset of Notre Dame fans. I don't

733
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: know what percentage you would say it is of the

734
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: total fan base that should be sat down and told

735
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: we haven't accomplished what Ohio State has accomplished lately. We

736
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: haven't accomplished what Georgia has accomplished lately. We have a

737
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: different path to the playoff, and we've been to the playoff.

738
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: But when schools are considering Notre Dame and schools are

739
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: considering Georgia, Ohio State or Alabama. They're considering two different

740
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: tiers of programs. Is there a subset of the Notre

741
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Dame and how big is it that needs to be

742
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: told that?

743
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's as big as most

744
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: people would think.

745
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: The gulf between.

746
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that percentage of fans is as large

747
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: as as many would think. But okay, look there are

748
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: there are. We get messages from the delusional types that,

749
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: of course, like Notre Dame is on that same level,

750
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: and to be fair, they're pushing up against the very

751
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: bottom of that level. I mean, they're recruiting at a

752
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: very high level. If you follow Bud Elliott and the

753
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: blue chip ratio, Notre Dame's in that discussion, along with

754
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: a dozen and a half other teams. So they're in

755
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: that conversation, and it's been a matter of trying to

756
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: develop the talent that they've got on hand in order

757
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: to actually turn it into something other than just a

758
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: playoff birth where they get blown out.

759
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Somebody's uncle is furiously typing to us check the total

760
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: national championships.

761
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, but it is a

762
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately type of game,

763
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame hasn't won a national championship in a

764
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: good long time. So my point here is just that, Yeah,

765
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: I know those fans are out there, I am not

766
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: one of them, and I feel pretty confident that with

767
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: Sam Hartman coming to town, this gives Marcus Freeman maybe

768
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: the best opportunity any Notre Dame coach has had in

769
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: a good long time to get over that hump. And

770
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see if you can do it. New

771
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, new skill talent. But they're starting from a

772
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: really good place on offense this season, and if it

773
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: goes sideways, if they start losing more recruits, then maybe

774
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: that's a tell that something is up. The other thing

775
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 1: that I would add real quick, and then we'll maybe

776
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: get to one or two more of these dan You know,

777
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's approach to NIL is I think different than

778
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: other bigger institutions. They're not relying on NIL the way

779
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: some schools are. For some kids, that might be bit

780
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: of a deterrent.

781
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: What does that mean that they're spending money on existing

782
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: roster members rather than Okay.

783
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I think there is more of a commit it doesn't

784
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: mean there's no Nile infrastructure, but I don't think it's

785
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: quite as fruitful as it would be if you went

786
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: to some of the other schools out there that are

787
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: putting more of an emphasis on it. The emphasiet Notre

788
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: Dame is really like, hey, we're Notre Dame, right, And

789
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: though I think that has a lot of credence on

790
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the recruiting trail, and I think that is easy to

791
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: sell to some recruits, there are going to be some

792
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: that say, hey, well, I can get you know, three

793
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: million dollars if I go elsewhere, and that could be

794
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: a deterrent. Hasn't really worked against Notre Dame that much yet,

795
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me if we have situations like

796
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: that emerge.

797
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: So is there a number to you? We'll move on

798
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: because I love grilling you about Notre Dame. Is there

799
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: a number to you that if Marcus Freeman is his

800
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: class is consistently not ranked above this number, You're like,

801
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: I don't they're not really winning a ton of game.

802
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: They're going nine to three, ten and two, but he's

803
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: not recruiting top fifteen classes. Would that be alarm sounding?

804
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: It's got to be top fifteen. Yeah, okay, I think

805
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think anything outside the top twelve is

806
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: probably kind of a disaster. Okay, you know, it could

807
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: be a smaller class that has blue chippers that gets

808
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: you into the average rating something like the top fifteen.

809
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about it, just a bomb of

810
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: a class that can't happen.

811
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: You know what, Ty, I love that you planted that

812
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: flag because you are very magnanimous a lot of the time.

813
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: I love that you planted the flag of If Marcus

814
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: Freeman is not streaming together top twelve classes, it's a disaster.

815
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: I don't think this makes you a crazy message boarder,

816
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: but I like this side of you. I'm not gonna well,

817
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: I mean, am I wrong, No, You're not wrong, but

818
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: you're very You're just very generous and you are very

819
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: like well, it depends on the circumstance, like you think

820
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: these things through really really admirably. Well, but here's like

821
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: that you've taken this specific stance. But it's true.

822
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it is the issue for or

823
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly to some extent going to LSU was that

824
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: he kind of unspokenly said I have a better chance

825
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: to win a national champion. At LSU, it's easier to

826
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: get talent, right, It's easier to get talent. There are

827
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: more systems in place that support football kind of above

828
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: all else at LSU, and he thought he'd have a

829
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: better shot down there. And it's always been a talent

830
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: thing at Notre Dame. That was the big accomplishment for

831
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Kelly at Notre Dame, the way that he constructed that

832
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: program from the inside out. It was a very slow

833
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: and steady build, but it worked and now he's at LSU.

834
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: If Marcus Freeman does not continue the momentum that Brian

835
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: Kelly started, and if suddenly the classes start dropping off,

836
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly was a really good recruiter in his own right.

837
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: I think Marcus Freeman can take them to a different level.

838
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: That's why they hired him. But if he's not taking

839
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: them to that level, and if the on field product

840
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: is leaving a lot to be desired, what are we

841
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: even doing here?

842
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 2: My conspiracy theory is Brian Kelly looked at the twenty

843
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: twenty three roster and to himself, we don't have a quarterbacks.

844
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go over and close this out. At war

845
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: chant dot com, great Florida State website. Of course, I

846
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: can't wait to see this. I was wondering if Florida

847
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: State allows people to spread ashes on the field. My

848
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: dad passed in twenty eighteen. I've been wanting to spread

849
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: these ashes. He went to Virginia Tech in the seventies,

850
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: loves Florida State. Lives in Tallahassee from seventy seven to

851
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: his death. Yeah, I thought the tech game would be perfect.

852
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: Then we got a response to someone who says, I

853
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: hope not. What a dick. I hope not. I pay

854
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: a good bit of money to help keep the grounds

855
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: in order and would not be happy to find out

856
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: they let people spread their ashes on this precious turf. Christine,

857
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: last thing we need is a root closure due to

858
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: insufficient oxygen or sunlight because of ashes. Then somebody responds

859
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: a few minutes later, we spread my dad's ashes in

860
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the Yeah, Papa, I can't say that word two. I

861
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: was a little surprised at how non ashy his ashes were.

862
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: I could imagine spreading those small bone chunks on the field.

863
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: This is horrible. I also could imagine being a player

864
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: in taking the field where the ashes of three grand

865
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: paws were spread during the previous week. But to each

866
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: their own. Several people were upset with me that I

867
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: would dump my dad in the river. And then someone says,

868
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: here to close this out, was always my wish to

869
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: be spread at dok now as I respond, here, spread

870
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: me at Benny Hill Stadium. I want to have a

871
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: hand in messing their ish up in perpetuity. I hate Florida.

872
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: There we go dan a lot to unpack there.

873
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: To be honest, well, my mind first went to potentially

874
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: having a Costanza blowhole situation with a Florida State player

875
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 2: tripping on some section of the turf. Johnny Wilson goes

876
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: down with an open look at the end zone because

877
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: of some malicious turf situation, and they investigate and there

878
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: are bone shards found at the eighteen. That's where my

879
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: mind went. If you remember Georgikastanza pulling the what was

880
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: it a titleist out of one of the Yeah what

881
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: he was angry that day, my friend, Yeah.

882
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: What what would your wish be if.

883
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: I were to have my ashes spread somewhere?

884
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

885
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be at Oddsen again. I don't want the

886
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Costanza situation on my hands. Probably the Pacific, probably something

887
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: boring like that. Probably an ocean, but I don't I

888
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: don't wish that upon my descendants to be forced to

889
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: take an urn of me and spread it somewhere. I

890
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: think that's a little bit odd. Do you think that

891
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: Florida State should allow this? Absolutely not. It's not somebody's

892
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: rights to do that. It's not your right to have

893
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: the ashes of your father, your grandfather who on the

894
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Florida State field. And it's terrible. That's a weird precedent.

895
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: Then you get a bunch of requests. Do you have

896
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: a place in mind? I mean you told me this before,

897
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: but I don't think the Spearman Rhino at all in

898
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: Vegas would have you. So no, have you have you

899
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: thought about that?

900
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: No? I haven't thought about this.

901
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this goes along with our our you know,

902
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: everybody dies someday. Sure, so you got to think about,

903
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, your wishes for yourself, for your remains. But now,

904
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: a college football stadium wouldn't be high on my list.

905
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: See. I think I think the problem here is, like

906
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: you said, if you allow one person to do it, yeah,

907
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: of course, then everybody's going to do it. What you

908
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: need to do if you really want to honor this request.

909
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't fault the guy m If this was his

910
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: final request, I don't fault him for making it. No,

911
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: what's he care?

912
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: Right?

913
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: What I think needs to happen. You have to go

914
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: outside the normal chain of command, Dan, you have to

915
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: orchestrate some sort of special operation to get inside dope

916
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: Campbell Stadium, get it on the field without It's.

917
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: Actually not that hard at certain places.

918
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

919
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: Right, have you ever walked like, have you ever just

920
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: like found yourself for whatever reason on a college campus

921
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's weird. The gates are open.

922
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Well, back in August when I was out there, we

923
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: went to Ryan Stadium outside Northwestern Ryan Field. Yeah, Ryan Field. Yeah. Sorry.

924
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: We could have ran around on the field and played

925
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: like a full sixty minutes if we want to. Nobody

926
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: would have cared.

927
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is, and I think I'm with

928
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: you here, I think you'd have to pull a Andy

929
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: Dufrayan did this in Shawshank right where when he would

930
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: take because he was digging through the wall spoilers.

931
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: So you're thinking the hole in the pocket thing.

932
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: Hole in the pocket where you're walking around and just

933
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: pretending you're just soaking it all in the problem is,

934
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, it wouldn't blend in with the turf, right,

935
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: you'd get little mounds everywhere. I would think of the ash,

936
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: and he was talking about how it's thicker than he expected.

937
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: All right. Aside from that element of the conversation, I

938
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: like this, Andy du fraanank.

939
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: You have to be very very sly about your strategy,

940
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: that you were just like sprinkling here, sprinkling there, faking a.

941
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Sneeze, a cough, like maybe don't spread them all of it,

942
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: but just like smattering, just like a handful to satisfy

943
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: the requirement.

944
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this probably happens all the time. I

945
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: think somebody takes a tour of Dodger Stadium and sprinkles

946
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: a little out. I think it happens all the time

947
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: on the sly that people are not doing the full dump,

948
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: but just a an appetizer. Do do you have an

949
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: answer for me? By the way, if you had to

950
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: pick a place to have your your ashes strewn.

951
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: I've never thought of this question before in my life.

952
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: The Mounded Iron Pig Stadium.

953
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: No, I've never thought of this question before.

954
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 2: I know well, now I'm putting you on the spot.

955
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: I said, don't know if I need more time to

956
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: think this one through. This is a big decision. Okay,

957
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: Well let's let's talk it through, ty. Because you've been

958
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: on message boards before. What what geographic places hold a

959
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: sentimental place in your heart? And I guess it could

960
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: be like Beaver Stadium or Notre Dame whatever.

961
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't pick a football stadium.

962
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: You wouldn't pick a football state. Is there a golf course?

963
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no no.

964
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: Not a golf course. Is there a lake or a

965
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 2: body of water?

966
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: I think I would probably go boring ocean as well?

967
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: Which ocean?

968
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: I have never felt more at ease and in paradise

969
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: than the time I was in Hawaii, which island. I

970
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: was on a Wahoo at the time, o Wahu?

971
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: So the So would you want the waters or the

972
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: sands of o Wahu?

973
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: Probably the waters? Yeah?

974
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: So would it be somebody take a boat with your

975
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: because this was I think part of season one of

976
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: White Lotus. That's right, So yeah, you would you would

977
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: take you would have somebody a descendant who was able

978
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: take your remains on a plane A long flight from

979
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: the East Coast to Hawaii to o Wahu, and that's

980
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: where you would like, you know, your spiritual energy, if

981
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna believe in such things to be in the

982
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: crystal blue waters.

983
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: We are we deb coopering this thing and just dropping

984
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: it off the back of the plane is out.

985
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: You're oh man, that's tough. No, I'm not saying that

986
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: at all. I'm saying somebody needs to make the efforts,

987
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: so like near a reef, anything specific or just anywhere

988
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: in the waters is good by you.

989
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's my answer for the moment. But

990
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: I could be paid off if there's a sponsor out

991
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: there that one.

992
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: A sponsor, like there's a place that would pay to

993
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: have you displayed in all of your glory.

994
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, Yakos. I don't know. Not a sponsor.

995
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: Still you displayed, so your urn would be proudly displayed

996
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: at like the flagship Yackos. That's not a bad answer.

997
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. The price has to be right, though, I mean,

998
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: it has to really be worth it.

999
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: Not to you, you're down to me.

1000
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: But somebody, Okay, somebody let us know your plans out there,

1001
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: not after death, but ifk with that, if you were well, okay,

1002
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: after death is fine, said verbalogmail dot com. But yeah,

1003
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: if you are trying to sneak ashes onto a field,

1004
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: is that kosher? Is it not kosher?

1005
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's it's a raally bankrupt. It's a

1006
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: terrible thing to do. But if you are dead set,

1007
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: no pun intended on doing so, Yeah, and I think

1008
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: you do frame it. Have you been on any other

1009
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: did you Like, have you ever snuck onto a field

1010
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: or a like a basketball arena, anything like that that

1011
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: you just happened upon. I have not.

1012
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: I have a friend who dressed up as a recruit

1013
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: at Penn State and we were able to make his

1014
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: way onto the field, and when the security guards got

1015
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: a little suspicious, or he felt they were getting suspicious,

1016
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: he then he very casually exited stage left. But I've

1017
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: never actually done it on my own.

1018
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: Your friend is five foot four, one hundred and eleven pounds, like, yeah,

1019
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like a Penn State.

1020
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: He's a solid like five nine and a half.

1021
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I've walked onto the court at poly Pavilion because

1022
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: there used to be a tennis tournament at UCLI and

1023
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't far from basketball arena and doors were just open.

1024
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: Doors were open. I went to warp Tour in the

1025
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: parking lot of the old LA what was it called

1026
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 2: the LA Arena something where the Clippers played, ok before

1027
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: they moved to Staples Center, and it was in that

1028
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: parking lot where Warp Tour was of that arena, the

1029
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: LA Sports Arena there it is, and just walked in

1030
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: because I think that's where the bathrooms for warp Tour

1031
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: were and you just walk down onto the court. I

1032
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: went to when I was driving cross country. I went

1033
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: to fog in Lawrence, Kansas because we were just stopped

1034
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: for lunch and Lawrence and it was right by campus

1035
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: and we just walked around campus for a few minutes.

1036
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: This is my friend Dave and I and we just

1037
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 2: walked down to the court and we're just like shooting

1038
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: air basketballs just because it was open and we were there.

1039
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: So harder to disperse ashes on a basketball court, I

1040
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: would say, and not be noticed. But yeah, a lot

1041
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: of times you can just walk into stadiums and arenas

1042
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: and people are you know, they just assume you're part

1043
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: of the athletic department or something. I don't know what

1044
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: it is, but it's probably a little bit easier. I'd

1045
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: say baseball field because you have the diamond right if

1046
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: you are kind of into LSU baseball or Vanderbilt baseball

1047
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: or something, and you can walk onto the field. I

1048
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: think ashleys would be harder to spot around where the

1049
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: shortstop is on the diamond between second and third.

1050
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, surely you've read some of the stories on I

1051
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: think his name was Dion Rich the time Gate, the

1052
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: all time great gate crasher.

1053
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yah, yeah, yeah.

1054
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: Tremendous stories you could.

1055
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the most impossible thing ever, especially

1056
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: if some of these places are offering tours that you

1057
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: could Andy dufrayin at no problem.

1058
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let us know soliverablegmail dot com your

1059
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: response to any of what we discussed here today. Verballers

1060
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: dot com is where you can go to sport the show.

1061
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Our patreon about to be beefed up in a pretty big way.

1062
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: I promise you that, uh, you're gonna be out of

1063
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: town for a little bit. But yep, when we catch

1064
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: back up, it'll be time to jump into previews. I

1065
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: hope you're ready. I'll leave you at this ty.

1066
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: When did thigh tattoos become a thing from a ten

1067
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 2: Sea fan. When did thigh tattoos become a thing? Now,

1068
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: my question to you, and this is about how we're

1069
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: we're ending the show. Do you like a good thigh tattoo?

1070
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: Ty? No, I don't.

1071
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 2: You don't like it? Would it be a deal breaker?

1072
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: Would single tie see a young.

1073
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Woman'd be a deal breaker? Yeah?

1074
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: A tasteful thigh tattoo.

1075
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a deal breaker if it were small,

1076
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: if it were three branches, yeah, I mean we're not.

1077
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: If we're not talking like a full tiger face on

1078
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: the entire thigh, then maybe it needs to be small

1079
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Speaker 1: and tasteful. That's the only way.

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Speaker 2: It's just just like you tie, small and taste and taste.

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Speaker 1: Ball on that note, for that guy, Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 1: Ty Hilton Brand will talk to You'll soon stay soft peace,