1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to it could happen here a podcast 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: that is about fifty of the time introduced well and 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: about fifty percent of the time us talking about how 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: we're bad at introductions, and today it is it is 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: just be Christopher, but with me is Hadley and Mike 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: from Labilia Commons, who are here to talk about many things, 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: one of which is there is the first edition of 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: the Earthbound Farmers Almanac. Hey, Hey, how a how are 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: you two doing today? I heard I heard there's maybe 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: a thunderstorm rolling in. Yeah, we're doing pretty good. UM's 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: gonna be glad for the rain, I guess, yeah, yeah, 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: it'll be good. We're gonna talk a little bit first 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: about Labilia Commons. So how did that project start? I know, 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: I know something from the beginning of the pandemic, But 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: had you all been working on this kind of stuff before? 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just wanted roasty a little bit of that. Yeah, 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: So it kind of started um last year during the pandemic. Basically, UM, 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: basically at the beginning of the pandemic, we had UM 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: just like a surge of interest in these like kind 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: of mutual a groups UM and the largest of which 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: that formed in New Orleans specifically, which some of us 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: helped form, was called New Orleans Mutual Aid Group, which 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: was doing like food distribution. It kind of stemmed out 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: of a project that was already um running like a 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: food share, basically getting excess produce that was coming into 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: the port and distributing it for free in front of 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: like one of the gentrifying grocery stores. Um. But within 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: like I want to say, like a couple of weeks UM, 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: there was such a surge of interest in doing that 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: type of like volunteer or whatever where that there was 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: like a ton of labor to make it happen, and 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: that basically meant buying tons of produce eventually because the 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: ports eventually shut down and there wasn't any produce coming 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: from anywhere at the beginning of mimic and basically buying 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: tons of produce from like Costco, and that labor meant 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: like waiting in lines for you know, wrapping around entire 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: like massive like multi city block warehouse stores, um. And 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: so that was basically doing like food distribution. So we 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: took the opportunity to since there was so much labor happening, 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: that we could go and start to adjust the question 41 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: of like food production specifically and and try and do 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: that in interesting ways. UM. So, we felt like it 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: was pretty important to start like experimenting and different forms 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: of food production and like like ways of relating to 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: food production. UM So, I mean this this first started 46 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: with like a, um, we're basically just starting tons of 47 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: seeds and delivering them all over the city, um, just 48 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: driving around from We had like one centralized nursery that 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: was run out of the warehouse, and that was a 50 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: ton of labor as a really time consuming. It was 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: super centralized, and so we moved from that into a 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: number of other projects. Um. Short shortly thereafter, we put 53 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: together like a like a collaborative mushroom production group where 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: we were um getting people who had been growing mushrooms 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: and teaching folks and like doing skill shares to produce 56 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: oyster mushrooms out of buckets. We started doing some like 57 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: woodlock production of Chautaukis, which has like since expanded pretty dramatically. 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Um And yeah, just like kind of like things that 59 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: that draw people's interests like that, and and and think 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: about like how you can grow food in an urban 61 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: or peri urban scenario fairly interestingly and like with joy um. Also, um. 62 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: You know after this, we we were reached out to 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: by folks that were like, well, I want to grow herbs, 64 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: and rather than specifically getting like a lot and covering 65 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: it in different herbal medicines, we reached out had already 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: had folks reaching out to us. UM. So if someone 67 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: came up with the idea of well, let's just all 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: grow in like our backyard suns of herbs and let's 69 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: find herbs that already grow abundantly around us to kind 70 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: of collectively share the experience of harvesting and um and 71 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: turning those into medicines. Um. And so now there's like 72 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: this Herb Commons group that the labor is distributed. It's 73 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: distributed geographically, um, but there's these like meet ups where 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: they're bulk herbs are given up, Yeah, given out just 75 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: like in a canal space and um. Yeah, like there's 76 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: skill shares happening there in and there's kind of some 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: community being built around that. Um that that happens in 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: a very decentralized manner. Yeah, it's definitely very decentralized. There 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: are working groups that are part of Lobelia Commons that 80 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm like not entirely sure what they're doing any given 81 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: day or you know, what's going on. I'm involved in 82 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: like a couple particular projects within it UM, and I 83 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: think that it's really flexible for folks who are trying 84 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: to get involved. They can kind of be involved at 85 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: whatever level they want. Like, um, if somebody doesn't want 86 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: to go to a bunch of garden work days or 87 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of meetings or something, which you know have 88 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: been a great way for us to like see each 89 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: other and see our friends during the pandemic and stuff, 90 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: is to get together for these work days outdoors or whatnot. 91 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: But if somebody wants to just like do nothing but 92 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: sprout plants at their own house and then somebody will 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: come pick up those seedlings and and you know bring 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: them to one of our decentralized nursery spots, that's great. Um. 95 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: That's one of the other kind of projects we have 96 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: we call the decentralized nursery, And that's kind of like 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: just something that people already do at a certain time 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: of year. You know, gardeners will regularly start more plants 99 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: than they need and then just kind of give them 100 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: away to friends and neighbors and stuff. And we tried 101 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: to just make it a little bit more of an 102 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: intentional thing. Um. And this was also kind of growing 103 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: out of like at the very beginning of the pandemic, 104 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: and we were actually doing seedling deliveries to people, which 105 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: made sense of that time, but it was like very 106 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: labor intensive. Um. So we kind of moved to this 107 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: model of having just like free stands in front of 108 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: houses on street corners in different places. Um. You know, 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: there's already like a bunch of free fridges around New 110 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: Orleans and things like that, and so this is kind 111 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: of like the free plant version of that, and it's 112 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: really easy for somebody to just set one up. Um. 113 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: And then that kind of also allows us to like 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: work on this other aspect of of decentralizing food production, 115 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: because like that's definitely one of our goals, right is 116 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: to like not have a tiny percentage of population be 117 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: the only ones who know how to grow food and 118 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: doing it under the control of a tiny number of 119 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: corporations that own all the land. And you know, obviously 120 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: we're trying to get away from that food system, and 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: so one of the ways we can think about doing 122 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: that is finding ways to really decentralize some of the 123 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: skills that are UM that are necessary. So for example, 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: like if somebody's growing avocados for our nurseries, UM, the 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: thing about growing an avocado from a pit actually is that, uh, 126 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: that tree probably won't produce fruit. It actually needs to 127 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: be grafted. UM. So we can have people starting pits, 128 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: and then we're also you know, sharing the knowledge of 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: how to graph these things, UM because we kind of 130 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: like see a future in which a lot more people 131 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: um will need to be involved in food production. But also, 132 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: like Mike was saying, like, we want this to be 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: not like a job that it feels like people have, 134 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: but this joyous kind of thing that's just a part 135 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: of everyday life. Yeah. One of the other things that 136 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: I was I was interested in is you know, so 137 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: so part of part of what I think the beginning 138 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: of the Earth Performers Romanac is about is talking about 139 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: how I guess people people have this tendency to sort 140 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: of focus on climate change is just like the only 141 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: sort of climate thing that's happening. And you know, I 142 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: mean there's obviously the yeah, there's there's a bunch of 143 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: sort of stuff that is climate change, but isn't the 144 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: weather that are sort of you know, things like the 145 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: phosphor cycle, things like the nitrogen cycle that are breaking. 146 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: But simultaneously, I think it's it's also true that you 147 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: know that that that kind of stuff, and this is 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: also something that's that's talked about in there is is 149 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: going to have a large impact both on sort of 150 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: like even just what what kind of biomas exist in 151 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: the in a very short term. And you know, another 152 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: product of that is, you know, is that the sort 153 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: of increasing grade of storms. And I was wondering if 154 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: you all could talk a bit about what happened after 155 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Ida and how both just sort of in the short 156 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: term in the long term, that the sort of the 157 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: increase of just hurricanes. And I hesitate to call natural 158 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: disasters because you know that there's there's a whole thing 159 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: about how these disasters are sort of manufactured in a 160 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: lot of ways, but how how that's been affecting how 161 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: y'all think are sort of thinking about and working with 162 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: these kind of mutual aid projects and food production. Yeah, 163 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: so I think with IDA, it's kind of complicated because, um, 164 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: you can almost look at it, look at it as 165 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: like two different storms. Um, because what happened in New 166 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Orleans versus what happened and say like home or the 167 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: river parishes. UM, these areas that are you know, generally 168 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: south and west of New Orleans, UM are are are 169 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: kind of like two different animals in some ways, Like well, 170 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: how up in New Orleans specifically relates to infrastructure. So 171 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: like what you're saying, like the kind of quote unquote 172 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: natural disasters thing, that's UM, you know, that's a pretty 173 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: commonplace way of looking. I mean it's not a very 174 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: radical UM conception that like these aren't natural disasters wherever 175 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: the disasters is created. As soon as UM there was 176 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: the attempt to create a colonial New Orleans in the 177 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: first place. UM. So this became honestly part of like 178 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: national discourse as a result of Katrina and most famously 179 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: because of the Army cord engineers failure UM teven five 180 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: and UM. So what happened this year UM was with 181 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: with Hurricane Ida was the one of the main transmission 182 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: towers UM for the the energy Energy Corporation in New 183 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Worlds is called energy outside of the guilt South are 184 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: familiar with. So the entergy tower fell into the Mississippi River. 185 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: You had that happening at the same time times that 186 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: thousands of power lines fell down. The power lines are 187 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: are are on poles and very prone to getting knocked 188 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: down even just during the during any day of the week, UM, 189 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: And so there wasn't actually really much flooding UM that 190 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: was happening. It was it was primarily wind damage, so 191 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: that the tower falls into the river, power lines down. 192 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: You had something like I believe fifty five barges in 193 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: the Port of South Louisiana falling into their falling off 194 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: their moorings and floating around just crashing into things, just crash, 195 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: and like there's like several ferries that connect the east 196 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: and west banks of the city. Um, those fell off 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: their moorings. So so like the physical infrastructure of the 198 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: place and and how that relates to beyond New Orleans 199 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: is New Orleans is located at the very um southern 200 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: reach of the Mississippi Rivers Port of South Southern Louisiana, 201 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: which is like a fifty five mile port I believe 202 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: a fifty two um that processes like sixty percent of 203 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: all U S grain going to exports. So it's like 204 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: a massive, really really important piece of American capitalist infrastructure. 205 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: So that's when when those boats follow their mornings, it's 206 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: not like oh this like whatever point like by you problem. 207 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: It's a very serious imperial problem. UM. But so for 208 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: for the average person living in New Orleans, UM, this 209 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: looked like I think I think it ended up being 210 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: for most people around a week and a half without power, 211 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: which if anyone's lived even with air conditioning in New 212 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: Orleans for a summer, um, it's it's extremely difficult to 213 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: live uh here during the summer. UM. It's that it's 214 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: obviously not impossible when we have modern amenities, but when 215 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: you're when you're without those, when you without the refrigerator, 216 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: when throughout without the freezer, air conditioning, it's it's really 217 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: really really hot, um, you know. Uh. So that's what 218 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: was happening in New Orleans. There was some some damage 219 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: to people's roots, there was some you know, fairly fairly 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: substantial damage to the structures. But what happened to the west, 221 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: in cities like Laplace, UM, which is about thirty miles 222 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: west of New Orleans, UM, that's where you started to 223 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: see like very severe flooding, very severe um damage to structures, 224 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: places like Homer Lafitte UM. Porchean, all these places that 225 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: are closer to the coast, that's where you saw the 226 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: real heavy destruction. So a lot of people have been 227 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: framing what's happened down the Bayou and in the river 228 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: parishes as we would say, um as like those places Katrina, 229 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: because it's the destruction was was so total in that way. Um, 230 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: so the way that you relate to um that type 231 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: of again quote unquote disaster is much is much different, 232 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: whereas what happened in war lens Um is more of 233 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: a continuation of what could be called like a series 234 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: of apocalypses that have been happening since colonization. I think 235 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: that's a that's an interesting point also that that that 236 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk about a little bit about US 237 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: grain exports because I think that that's another part of 238 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: this whole food system question that is important on a 239 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: scale that I don't think people understands, Like, you know, 240 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: it's just for fodent background for listeners. So when when 241 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: all of the sort of giant like free trade agreements 242 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: went into effect, um, you know, so so the free 243 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: tradermn are like okay, you're you're not supposed to be 244 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: able to like have government subsidies of of agricultural products. 245 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: And there's there's a couple of carve outs that were 246 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: put into this now almost all of them. There are exceptions, 247 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: for there's a couple of like weird manufacturing stuff in 248 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: like Italy and Germany that have carve belts. And the 249 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: other big one is that the US government is allowed 250 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: to just do enormous levels of agricultural subsidies that no 251 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: one else, like really in the world is allowed to 252 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: like matched. I mean do like you know, you know 253 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: if if if you try to have grand subsidies, right, 254 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: it's like you know, the I M F will come 255 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: after you, like you know, you're not allowed to do it. 256 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: But then you know something that you have the US 257 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: producing all of this like this. I mean it it's 258 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: it's not it's not really cheap, right, but it's it's 259 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, this enormously subsidized grain that nobody can actually 260 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: really compete with. And I think that's that's like an 261 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: interesting I was wondering what, like how how how do 262 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: you guys think about that in terms of you know, 263 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: try trying to do decentralized I guess O your culture 264 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: in a place that's to a large extent this sort 265 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: of like conduit of grain to the rest of the world, 266 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: but in a way that like also inhibits those places 267 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: from actually you know, having their own kind of like 268 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: essentialist agriculture. UM. I mean I can speak a little 269 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: bit about like what that kind of does to our 270 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: context of like making it, Like especially when I see 271 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: people in the kind of organic gardening farming world trying 272 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: to go on this model of like, well, we're gonna 273 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: make you know, regenerative agriculture profitable, and we're gonna make 274 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: it somehow compete with conventional agriculture. UM. And I guess 275 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: I just don't really think that that is feasible in 276 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: that in that terrain. Like you know, if if we're 277 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: trying to compete on that same terrain and we're competing 278 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: with these absurd subsidies, it definitely just the same problem 279 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: that you see around the world where people aren't able 280 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: to afford to grow their own thing because there's no 281 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: way they can they can sell it as cheaply as 282 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: as us grain. UM. So I think it's more important 283 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: to sort of like look at like there's there's a 284 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: piece in the almanac actually that sort of gets into 285 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: this this issue of like, well, are we really growing 286 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: enough food in in this regenerative way, Like you know, 287 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: we we don't even hardly grow that many grains or 288 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: that many high calorie things. A lot of things are 289 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: just focused on vegetables and things like that. And like, 290 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: I think that's a really important critique. And also I 291 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: think that the way out of it isn't just gonna 292 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: be us trying harder or something or um. Like the 293 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: future I nvision for us, like really changing the food 294 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: system kind of involves like really large scale expropriation of 295 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: that land where the grain is being produced and of 296 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: those huge machineries, those huge like satellite power or satellite 297 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: directed you know, plows and tractors and whatnot that are 298 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: that are doing this stuff. Um. And so like when 299 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about like the impact that a 300 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: food project is having or like a food this project, 301 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't try to think like we're trying to replace 302 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: uh agro business on its own terms. I think like 303 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: we're trying to be an ally or an aid to 304 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: any kind of antagonistic sort of social movement that actually 305 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: is going to create the conditions where like we can 306 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: all get together and start to actually address these problems, 307 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: UM without being hindered by you know, things like private property. 308 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: So I guess that that that that's a good point 309 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: to to jump into the Almanac from. I think, yeah, 310 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: do do you want to just introduce the project a 311 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: little bit and then we can talk about some of 312 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: the stuff in it that I thought was really interesting. Yeah. 313 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: So the Almanac kind of came out of like a 314 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a like partially is like a joke. 315 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: You know, we're like everyone gets the UM the almanac 316 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: and kind of you know, it doesn't really relate too 317 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: much to UM like most of us what we would 318 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: be growing UM. So it posited something like different, you know, 319 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: something that that does kind of grapple with some of 320 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: the questions of you know, growing food and kind of 321 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: the conditions we live in. Maybe you can speak kind 322 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: of yeah, I can even just I'll actually just read 323 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: the back of it because I think it speaks to 324 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: it pretty well. This is a farmer's almanac for the 325 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: end of the world. Growing food used to be a 326 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: lot more straightforward when you plant your okra at the 327 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: same time every year like your grandpa did. Now we've 328 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: got to be ready for anything. Late spring freezes, freak 329 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: heat waves that bring plants out of dormancy to early 330 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: fire season longer every year, the polar vortex. And if 331 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: that wasn't enough, we've also got to contend with the 332 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: fallout from breakages in the global supply chain. When millions 333 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: of gallons of milk get poured down the drain and 334 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: mountains of potatoes are left to rock. It's a world 335 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: that calls for a new kind of farmers almanac. Today's 336 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: crisis has roots in the earliest moments of land theft 337 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: against Native people's, a process that has continued alongside hundreds 338 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: of years of slavery and colonization. The way forward out 339 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: of this mess will mean grappling with the crimes of 340 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: the past, as well as charting a new course guided 341 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: by Black and Indigenous knowledge, creative experimentation and food production, 342 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: and paying attention across generational and species devides. So I mean, 343 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: what one like very concrete example of like how this 344 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: farmer's on the neck is different than what you might 345 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: see just from the standard almanac. Is um, you know, 346 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: we we don't have like oh it's it's May, it's 347 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: time to plant corn or whatever, because I mean, first 348 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: of all, that that was never that useful as for 349 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: a publication that's meant to be used across this vast continent. 350 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be different everywhere, um, where 351 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: you're going to plant things at which time um. But 352 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: also like those standard resources that we would go to 353 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: like for here, for the Southeast for example, or wherever. 354 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Like if you're looking at something that was made a 355 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: few decades, know, it's not going to actually be accurate 356 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: or it's going to give you undo certainty about where 357 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: the seasons line up and things like that. So you know, 358 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: instead of telling people exactly when to plant their seeds, 359 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: we have a chart that has the actual German Nation 360 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: temperatures of like all the major annual vegetables that people 361 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: would want to grow. Um. And then we also have 362 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: like the monthly notes from this local farm in New Orleans, 363 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: so you know, located in this area, you can you 364 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: can also get a really precise view of like, oh, 365 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: they were planning this, then they were harvesting this. Then. Yeah. 366 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: I think that we hope to make something that was 367 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: you know, our our original focus was something that was 368 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: specific to New Orleans in the region, um, you know, 369 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: in the Gulf South and the Southeast generally, because we 370 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: are so aware of the you know, the differences or 371 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: what have you between growing through here and growing food 372 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: in Ohio or something or whatever. And we all get 373 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: these sames seats you know, out of Walmart or Lows 374 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: or whatever, and try and grow the exact same plants 375 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: all over the place to trying to um hone in 376 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: on some of that local perspective. UM with me withally 377 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: in terms of like getting some like folk tradition, getting 378 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: some um, you know, anecdotal evidence about you know, things 379 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: that worked with things that people are trying. UM. And 380 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: but I think that that was that was fairly successful. UM. 381 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: I think I think aside that we weren't really expecting 382 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: as much was just the amount of national and even 383 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: international UM kind of grasp that it had. UM. I 384 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of people like could could use something 385 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: like this in their area. UM. And it's fostered some 386 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: really interesting connections for people that are experimenting in New York, 387 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: for people that are are growing things or thinking about 388 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: maybe UM food systems and how they relate to prisons 389 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: in California or UM even you know as far away 390 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: as Brazil. UM. It's kind of began to foster a 391 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: connection between Labelia Commons and a group called the Bogus, 392 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: which translates roughly to like the web of People's UM 393 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: in Brazil, so called Brazil UM, where it's kind of 394 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: like experimental agroecology project that's very specific UM specifically focused 395 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: on UM, you know, sovereignty, land stewardship, kind of following 396 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: a little bit in the tradition of the Landless Workers movement. 397 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: If anyone's familiar with mst UM, it's kind of following 398 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: in that tradition a bit UM, but is heavily stewarded 399 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: by Black and Indigenous knowledges. Yeah, so I was something 400 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: I think of a like a kind of pleasant surprise 401 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, I thought that was that was 402 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: really interesting way of looking at it, because I feel 403 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: like there's this tendency in the US, you know when 404 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: when when when we talk about sort of our relationship 405 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: to the land, which which is something that comes up 406 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot in in the sort of essays that are 407 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: are in the all NEC is about you know, like 408 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: there there there's there's a piece that I related to 409 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: a lot, which is about someone from Guam trying to 410 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: sort of deal with like I mean particularly like legacies 411 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: or Japanese imperialism and being driven from their home and 412 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, hey, look like this this is yeah, 413 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, is this is this is someone who experienced 414 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: which when Japan went west, and I was like, oh, yeah, 415 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: my family had this basically very similar thing when they 416 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: went east. And you know, but but there's there's I think, yeah, 417 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: and I think it's very smartly you get you get 418 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: to a point very quickly where you're trying to grapple 419 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: with you know, how do how do you build connections 420 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: to land? But then also how how does that work 421 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: in a context in you know, in a context that's 422 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 1: basically defined by southern colonialism and defined by by this 423 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: by this occupation. And I think looking at the MSc, 424 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: looking at a lot of stuff happened in Latin America, 425 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean there there's very similar to what you guys 426 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: were talking about. In Brazil. There there was a huge 427 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: movement like this that was indigenous land recormation sort of 428 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: agrocology in in Columbia for example too in the nineties, 429 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: and they they run into this problem of you know, 430 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: there's there's a civil war going on in Columbia and 431 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: they a lot of them getting murdered by sort of 432 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: state paramilitary is in the army. But I I think 433 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a really interesting way of of 434 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: looking at what what does what does Lambak actually look like? 435 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: And how how you deal with interacting with Latin And also, yeah, 436 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: the lance workers in particular, they use a lot of methods, 437 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: but you know they actually do just take a like 438 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: an enormous amount of land like back from the state 439 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: and sort of back from corporate things. So I'm interested 440 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: in how you all started talking to a lot of 441 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: these a lot of the Brazilian groups and how that 442 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: sort of like that that perspective is shaped the way 443 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: that like this, this this whole sort of project turned out. Um. 444 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: So we were specifically to the dis Pobos um some 445 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: previous connections that some of us had in Brazil had 446 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: when talking about what we were doing and just kind 447 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: of keeping up an exchange of um you know, just 448 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: like kind of updates from from the Gulf. When they 449 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: would exchange send updates from things going on down there. 450 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: They kind of drew the connection for us and put 451 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: us towards them, And I reached out to day dis 452 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Pobos and was like, hey, we're you know, we're doing 453 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: this thing, and I, you know, and inspired by what 454 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: you're doing personally, and UM, you know, I I'd be 455 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: curious to see what what, what kind of relationship whatever 456 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: we can foster, And they took it. UM. You know, 457 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: also with with some inspirations, seeing that this very clear 458 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: connection in terms of relationship with land historically, UM, this 459 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: possession historically between the two continents across the Caribbean. UM. 460 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: The implementation on a wide scale of plantation, monoculture UM. 461 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: It that was fueled entirely by slavery and genocide. UM. 462 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: And and I think that having that kind of like 463 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: shared common history, I think gives us a good bedrock to, like, 464 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: UM exchange notes about where we are now, kind of 465 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: multiplied by the fact that the way that UM, yeah, 466 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: so called emancipation happened here versus in Brazil radically different UM. 467 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: The UM like the for instance, the existence of PET 468 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: or the Workers Party in Brazil being such a force 469 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: after the dictatorship, and having that like strong populist movement 470 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: UM that was you know, rooted a very traditional left 471 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: UM that that fueled MST. Well, you don't have anything 472 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: like that here. You know that that happens at the 473 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: same time that here, actually the workers movement in the 474 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: US was was kind of getting defeated, I mean the 475 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: up in the seventies. So with respect to like um 476 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: land back specifically, UM, you know, I don't know if 477 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: you I don't know if you will see it in 478 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: the same forms. I doubt at least obviously would totally 479 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: be there cheering it on, and and I'm happy to 480 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: see it. UM, But I think it looks a lot 481 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: more like during the uprising last year. You saw in Chicago, 482 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: for instance, UM, the when the when, like the trains 483 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: were being expropriated as they were moving, taking goods out 484 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: of these box cars, UM, and just expropriating tons of goods, 485 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: taking you know, taking good that would normally be going 486 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, just commodities normally going to court, just cut 487 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: off in the middle of line, or you know, UM, 488 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: these these these these kind of like more um ah. 489 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to say small scale, but UM focus 490 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: more on like infrastructural choke points rather than necessarily UM 491 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: like having thousands of people swarming uh. You know, a 492 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: massive industrial agriculture UM set up in Kansas or something, 493 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, Yeah, I think it's great to imagine that. 494 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: I think I really love sharing the history of MST 495 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: with people in America who have never heard it before, 496 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: because I think it's a great way to kind of 497 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: expand the imaginary of like what is possible, like what 498 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of actions are actually at our disposal? Like and 499 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: it truly is not, you know, look exactly like that. 500 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's also really important for us to 501 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: like not forget a lot of the similar histories here, 502 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: like UM. Part of the inspiration for the Almanac or 503 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 1: what kind of drove us to to make it was 504 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: some of us were doing a reading group of this 505 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: book called Freedom Farmers that's about kind of like various 506 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: uh um black projects in the South for food autonomy 507 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: after slavery, and a lot of it is about Fannie 508 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: Lew Hammer and um freedom Farms, and you know, we 509 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: we're definitely inspired for some of the little bilia things 510 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: by um Fannie leh Hammer's pig bank, which was a 511 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: really cool thing where they just like started with a 512 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: bunch of pigs and if you were in the community, 513 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: like you get you get your pigs from you get 514 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: a couple of piglets from the pig bank, and then 515 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: the interest on that is a couple of years later 516 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: you got to give them a couple of pigs because 517 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: you're producing your own pigs, and so the pig bank 518 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: is like self sustaining. UM. And another thing from that 519 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: book that was inspiring to us was UM reading about 520 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: George Washington Carver's public education projects out of Tuskegee University 521 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: that were, um, just really inspiring in terms of like 522 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: he was doing all of his own kind of independent 523 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: research about soils and pests and all these different crops 524 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: and everything, and creating these farm bulletins that were then 525 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: being distributed to black farmers throughout the region to kind of, 526 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, share better practices, and a lot of the 527 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: stuff was like agro ecology before people had that word. 528 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Like he was very far ahead of his time in 529 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: terms of understanding soil dynamics and and passed and things 530 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: like that. UM. So yeah, we we definitely try to 531 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: try to lift up all that history as much as possible. Yeah, 532 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: I guess when we were you. The thing I thought 533 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: was very interesting that you alluded to briefly in this was, Yeah, 534 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: because there's there's a session of this is talking about 535 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: food in prisons, And I wonder if you could talk 536 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: about that part a little bit more, because that's a 537 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: connection that I that I really don't think it's drawn 538 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: very often. Oh here, let me flip to the piece, right, 539 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that it's kind of 540 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: hard to describe. I do love the visual that that 541 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: we have for this piece, but yeah, I mean it's 542 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: just like the it's a striking image, you know, it's 543 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 1: got like, um in the center, there's a picture of 544 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: a really high density chicken operation and there's somebody wearing 545 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: sort of like a full tibex suit suit and just 546 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: walking through this like massive herd of chickens. And then 547 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: that's superimposed over this just like really nasty looking close 548 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: up photo of a prison food training and just like 549 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: the canned veggies and the everything, And like, I mean, 550 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't I've been to jail a number of times 551 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: and the food is always terrible. It's always one of 552 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: the things that you talk about or you can bond 553 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: over or whatever. It's just how bad the food is. 554 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: But I think people who haven't experienced that don't really 555 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: think about just how much systematic like starvation is going 556 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: on and the nutrition is going on where it's like 557 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: the only way you could possibly survive in these places 558 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: is spending a bunch of extra money on commissary to 559 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: get stuff that also isn't healthy, but at least you 560 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: can get more calories and stuff. Um. And like I 561 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: think that that there's like a lot of parallels between 562 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: kind of the structure of prisons and the structure of 563 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: our of our food system. UM. I mean one example 564 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: that I used to talk about this is like the 565 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: banana plantation um where like the you know, we have 566 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: an entire variety of banana that's like basically stanct or 567 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: it's it can't be grown commercially anymore because the banana industry, 568 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, functions by putting like warehousing these banas together 569 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: and these like super tight plantation formations, you know, which 570 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: really only makes sense if you're just trying to maximize 571 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: your profits and get as much out of a a 572 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: small space as possible. But what it does is is 573 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: the exact same thing that happens in prisons during COVID 574 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: or with any kind of uh, you know, pathogen like 575 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: tuberculosis or whatever. Um. You know, it it's like the 576 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: trees are so close together that the fungus spread so rapidly, 577 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: and then they're also like pumping all these things into 578 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: to fight that, and they're actually breeding super funguses all 579 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: the time. And at some point the banana that we 580 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: eat now is going to also stop existing because of this. 581 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: UM And I guess I don't know if I can 582 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: draw anything deeper out of those similarities than the fact 583 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: that there's this like overriding logic of capitalism that is 584 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: just like has no respect for these beings, like whether 585 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: it is a person or a anatory, like it's all 586 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: just commodities and things to be warehouse. UM. Yeah, I 587 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: think UM to add on that, I mean this, this 588 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: is the piece in there which is called the Struggle 589 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: for Good Food across Walls. UM. I think it does 590 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: a nice job of talking about how like, um, you know, 591 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: if we're talking about quote unquote food food justice or 592 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: what have you, like, UM Like, how can we talk 593 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: about that on the outside of all forgetting about just 594 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: the most deplorable um food conditions on the entire continent. UM. 595 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: And I think that that it's it's really good at that. 596 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: I think I would really like to see in the 597 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: next year all the ways that UM the imaginaries of 598 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: of inmates kind of go in in like attack that 599 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: UM the like the logic of of prison food being 600 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: completely deplorable. Like you know, you have all these forms 601 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: of creativity of like making tortillas and stuff and like 602 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: doing wild things with like stuff that's in the commissary, 603 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, contraband kind of ways of of making kind 604 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: of life a little bit more livable in there. And 605 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: and if anyone has UM spent time in jail or prison, 606 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: or or kept up a relationship with someone on the 607 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: inside or what have you, UM, everyone has a story 608 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: about a way of UM making making food more UM 609 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: interesting and joyful, and and like there becomes whole cultures 610 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: around them. One of the things that we're starting to 611 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: do in one of the farm spaces we work with 612 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: outside of the city is is um through pre existing 613 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: relationships with inmates in Angola State Penitentiary in Louisiana, which, 614 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: for those that don't know, UM was a plantation civil 615 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: War happens two years after the civil War, it becomes 616 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: a Louisiana scap potentiary. It's still a plantation. It's you know, 617 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: uh this many times descendants of the same enslaved folks 618 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: who were on that plantation prior um and you know 619 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: it's a it's a guard on a horseback riding around 620 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: while those um folks pulling cotton, um. And so so, 621 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: through some of these relationships with some of these inmates 622 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: who are like kind of uh clandestine organizers, UM, we're 623 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: starting to come up with ways to like grow food 624 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: collaboratively with folks that are behind walls and and find 625 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: ways to get food to either their family or maybe 626 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: sell and get that into their commissary. Kind of just 627 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: like trying to um spitball ideas about like different ways 628 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: of producing food despite people's in cars ration. Yeah, that 629 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: that seems that seems like a really I guess we're 630 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: you can really says a necessary way for for this 631 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: sort of food politics to go if it's going to 632 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: actually deal with sort of both the land conditions and 633 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: the conditions of just you know the fact that we 634 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: haven't in that there's still just an enormous slave population 635 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: to us. And I think that kind of resistance in creativity, 636 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: I think is how Yeah, y'all, are y'all are on 637 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: the right track with with pushing it that way? Yeah, 638 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: that this is this is sort of a bleik note 639 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: to end on I think, but I don't know. I 640 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: think it's yeah, it's a it's a it's a hopeful 641 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: one too, and where can people find but basically all 642 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: of Youl's work. And then also you talked a little 643 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: bit about trying to get submissions for and everything, So 644 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about how that how 645 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: that's gonna work. Yeah, Um, so we're we're it's it's 646 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: kind of been on hold a little bit because we've 647 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: been like very active after Ida and you know, trying 648 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: to make sure our people are all good and supporting 649 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: UM in various places, UM kind of doing like different 650 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: workshops and stuff. And and because that our focus isn't 651 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: just on food production, it's also like neighborhood survival or whatever. 652 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: So we've been um working with an old UM neighbor 653 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: of one of ours, who UM you know, she's already 654 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: been kind of doing this mutual aid stuff you know 655 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: by any other name for decades, you know, letting people 656 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: stay in their house, UM, feeding people. UM. She's like 657 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: kind of like a block MoMA and she's really one 658 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: of the last um black homeowners in her neighborhood. So 659 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: we're really trying to like help her achieve some autonomy. 660 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: One way that we've been putting it is UM when 661 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: all the airbnbs like lose their power because they're still 662 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: reliant on the colonial world, Well, miss Elfie I could 663 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: still have her lights on because she's going to be 664 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: totally autonomous from the system. So UM, I think that 665 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: that link is on our Instagram page if you click 666 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: on the like UM the link or whatever, there's a 667 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: go fund me that UM is UH where we've been 668 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: putting a lot of our effort and really working with 669 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: her on UM and then also like growing growing a 670 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: garden like adjacent to her so that their people in 671 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: that community are are food as as food autonomous as 672 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: UM as we can get we can we can put 673 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: it in the show notes. Yeah, and the the handle 674 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: for both Twitter and Instagram is at Lobilia Commons and 675 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: the Almanac. You can find links to the Almanac pdf 676 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: on through either of those UM if you want to 677 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: just read it for free. And then UM there's also 678 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: companies for sale on emergent Goods dot com and for 679 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: UM submissions. I mean, yeah, like I said, we've been 680 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: really behind on this just because of all this stuff. 681 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: But for submissions. We're really um looking for folks um 682 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: to contribute throw us a pit um. I think if 683 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: you've seen the first one or I've listened to this, 684 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: you probably get something of an idea of what we're 685 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: looking for um. And we're happy to like talk to 686 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: people about, like, you know, different ideas and bear with 687 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: us if we're a little slower to respawn because we're 688 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of still waist deep right now. But yes, 689 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: submission for deadlines is the end of October UM and 690 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: you can email ideas or pitches or whatever to Lobelia 691 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: Commons at proton mail dot com. And lastly, the project 692 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: that I'm most focused on is the front Yard Orchard Initiative, 693 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: where basically we just propagate as many fruit trees as 694 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: cheaply as possible, things that are really easy for us 695 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: to grow from cuttings like figs, s, mulberries, things they're 696 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: easy to grow from seed, like papaya, maringa, pecan um. 697 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: And we basically just have some nice flaw yars that 698 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: we put up and we advertise a bit on social 699 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: media and also just kind of go door to door 700 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: in neighborhoods where we already have gardens or connections and 701 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: offer to give free fruit trees out to people, and 702 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: we're also happy to plant them for people and then 703 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: kind of offer a consultation on how to take care 704 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: of it or whatever. And also if folks want to 705 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: hear some of the pieces from the Earthbound Farmers Almanac 706 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: read by some of the authors and then some interviews 707 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: with those authors, you can check out this podcast called 708 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: Partisan Gardens that did a really good episode that's kind 709 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: of like an audio exploration of the Almanac. Cool. Yeah, people, 710 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: people definitely definitely go read the Almanac. Is it's it's 711 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a really good it's a really good 712 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: piece of work. Um. Yeah, thank thank you too so 713 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: much for joining us. 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