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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Dylan is in Florida. What's up, Dylan? Dylan? Sorry, I

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Speaker 2: left you on hold for a while. Call back in,

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Speaker 1: I know Patty still here?

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Speaker 2: Do we speak to Patty? Patty?

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Speaker 2: Morel that one hurts? That one hurts. That was good man.

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Speaker 2: You always feel like you can count on people like Patty.

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Speaker 2: He did call back in, so I don't want to

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Speaker 2: him under the bus too much. You did call back in, Patty,

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Speaker 2: and he's he's on the line right now, right go

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth Patriots Catch twenty two. Here with

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Speaker 2: you for the next couple hours, hopefully a less eventful

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know we might have some new people tuning in.

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Speaker 1: You know. If you are, definitely stick around, but it

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Speaker 2: We can joke about it now, I feel like, but

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk too much about it. But

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Speaker 2: like you said, that's not even what this show is about.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the part that makes me regret it as

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Speaker 2: much as anything is. Like we are in X's and

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff to the frankly, your station and

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Speaker 2: other places that that do that kind of thing. And

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Speaker 2: in the one time that I dip my toes into

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Speaker 2: into that water, it totally backfires. So good job by me.

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Speaker 2: So now I've acknowledged it. Okay, all right, now we

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Speaker 2: The other thing that you know that's more important than

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Speaker 2: that is, uh, Drake May. Finally we get to see

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Speaker 2: Drake May as the Patriots starting quarterback this week on

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Speaker 2: Sunday against the Texans. Alex, There's a lot to unpack

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Speaker 2: about this because the timing of it is a big story.

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Speaker 2: How Drake May looks on Sunday is a big story,

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Speaker 2: The matchup is a big story. I want to start

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Speaker 2: two big pieces of that, and Alex van Pelt today

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Speaker 2: one the Patriots offense that is thirty first in the

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Speaker 2: who are thirty second don't have their quarterback. So really,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the worst offense in football in terms of

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you even a piece of evidence that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just the two things that I've heard heard

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Speaker 2: This is a bad matchup. Can't play them against the Texans.

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Speaker 1: like where's the offensive line at who's helped him? He's

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Speaker 1: You can't put a week to that.

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Speaker 2: It didn't feel to me like the plan was exactly

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Speaker 2: And at this point we we will see what it

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Speaker 2: the separation. So what does Vampel call. He calls all curls.

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Speaker 2: There's four guys that go into the pattern and they're

432
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: all running curls. There's no motion, there's no picks, there's

433
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: no rubs, there's no in cut, nothing, just run to

434
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: the sticks and turn around and hopefully the ball will

435
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: get to you. So what ends up happening is, you know,

436
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: they blitz, they get some pressure on Berset. He throws

437
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: low to Austin Hooper over the middle in the dirt

438
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: field goal. Right, that's a big swing in the game.

439
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: That's the difference between fourteen to three and ten to

440
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: three in that football game. So you have guys like

441
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, you have guy like you know, running backs

442
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: out of the backfield that can create some separation out

443
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: of the backfield against man to man. Where is the

444
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: bells and whistles, like where are the picks, where are

445
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: the rubs? Where are the motions into the stacks and

446
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: the bunches? Snap the football, get them some free releases,

447
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: get them some separation down the field. There's not enough

448
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: of that right now in this offense. And this is

449
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: the last thing I would say. It's on him to

450
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: adapt the offense to Drake May. If Drake May is

451
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: not comfortable in an NFL game right now to run

452
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: a ton of under center, then they need to find

453
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: an adaptation. Like they need to adapt to that, whether

454
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: it's pistol, whether it's just gun run, whatever the case

455
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: may be. You can't just jam a square hole into

456
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: a round peg because your offense is an under center offense.

457
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: You can't jam a hole into a peg. So it's

458
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: not pegan a hole, peg into a hole. Yeah, he

459
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: said hole into a peg.

460
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: Square peg, round hole.

461
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were you just like the worst at preschool?

462
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: What do you think?

463
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, okay, come on, just making sure you took

464
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: literally the whole toy, hitting the one piece ystead of

465
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: the round.

466
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: I like how you ended my rant with that. If

467
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be under center, then then adapt

468
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: like find a different way to run your run game.

469
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: If they run pistol, I've already said this to you. Yeah,

470
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: if they put Drake May in the pistol on Sunday,

471
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: it's gonna be pants off in the press box for me.

472
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be pumped, Like, Yes, finally it was some innovation,

473
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: Like we did something new, we did something different, we

474
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: did something to adapt to our players. That's a big

475
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: thing for me right now, more so than all this

476
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: other drama about is it the right time or anything

477
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: like that. What does Van Pelt do now that he

478
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: has the Ferrari out of the garage?

479
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this goes to a bigger point for me,

480
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: which is like the quarterback change isn't just about Drake May.

481
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: You know, it's Drake May. We're gonna see what he

482
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: can do, right, And that's obviously something to focus on.

483
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: But the other thing is like there's other guys that

484
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: are now in the spotlight more either because you know

485
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: they're crucial to May's success, are also just like, all right,

486
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: so Drake May is the future, right, this is who

487
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: you're ideally building around. Is there anybody on this current team?

488
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: And I think there's a couple of guys who, at

489
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: least during a conversation of people roll their eyes at this.

490
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: But who on the current team are you building? Is

491
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: going to stay here and build with them? Right? And

492
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: so I wrote about this on ninety five sportsub dot

493
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: com got Pop Douglas right, what's their chemistry look like?

494
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: Where are they at together? But I think the biggest

495
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: the person most impacted by this, who's not Drake mayor

496
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: Jakobe Rissett, is Alex van Pelt. Yeah, and like you said,

497
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, did the offense look great over the first

498
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: five weeks. No, But I don't really care about whether

499
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: or not Alex van Pelt can design an offense for

500
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. It's just it's not relevant to me in

501
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: the long term. I do care very much what his

502
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: offense for Drake May looks like. And even if Drake

503
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: May's playing well, if it looks like the offense, you

504
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: got into a ton of schematic stuff there. The pistol

505
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: stuff is the big one for me as well. But like,

506
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: even if Drake May's playing relatively well, but we're just like, ah,

507
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: the offense doesn't make sense. It's kind of holding them back,

508
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: Like can these two co exist because if they can't,

509
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: the organization's not moving on from the third overall pick. Right,

510
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: So I thought you put it in a good way.

511
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: Alex man pelt on the clock. His future won't be

512
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: just I did this Sunday, sure, but there is an

513
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: element of now, all right, this guy is the future

514
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: of the franchise. Can you make it work with him?

515
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Because if you can't, we need to find somebody else

516
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: who can.

517
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: I've been pretty hard on Van Pell as you know,

518
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: on this show. I just don't feel like he's done

519
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: enough schematically to make this offense viable. I mentioned all

520
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: the play action, the lack of motion, the lack of

521
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: like bunches and picks and things like if you're getting

522
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: a ton of man coverage, like where are the pick plays?

523
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: Like where are the incuts right? Like where are the crossers?

524
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: Like those are that those are man coverage beaterers? Like

525
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: how many years you know the Patriots have always been

526
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: a pretty heavy man coverage defense in the Belichick era,

527
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: how often did we see teams counter that with like

528
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: picks and slants and crossers over the middle of the field.

529
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: Because that's if you have man to man and you

530
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: run crossing routes over the middle of the field, that

531
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: intersect and those men run into each other. Now you're

532
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: gonna have open receivers all over the field. The twenty

533
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: eighteen AFC Championship game, I'll never forget it. The second half.

534
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: Remember how Andy Reid has started calling pick plays left

535
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: and right, and the Patriots were pissed about it. They

536
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: thought they were illegal. Right, Remember that they were too

537
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: far down the field. But that was how the Chiefs

538
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: got their offense going in that game, was that Reid

539
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: started to call pick plays at the line of scrimmage

540
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: to get those guys off man coverage. If you're seeing

541
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: a ton of man coverage like that, that those are

542
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: your answers. They need more of those schematic answers now,

543
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: they need more layers in more conflict in their concepts

544
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: from the route running standpoint. If they start doing that

545
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, I am willing to give Alex van

546
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: Pella to clean slate here like you had. You know,

547
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: as much as we could say the same for Jacoby,

548
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: you had a pretty tough hand dealt to you in

549
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: the first five weeks of the season. You did not

550
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: have great personnel on the field. That's just a fact.

551
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: So I'm willing to wipe the slate clean with him,

552
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: start fresh this week. But you know, we're talking a

553
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: lot about pistol and route concepts and things like that.

554
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm not advocating to turn Drake May into Mr Jackson, Okay,

555
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: But in certain situations am I advocating for them to

556
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: run some zone read, some quarterback options, some design quarterback run. Absolutely,

557
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: Like we saw it in the preseason against Philadelphia that

558
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: he walked one in off the goal line on his

559
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: zone read play, where you know he can do that.

560
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: He can take the edge if there's nobody there to

561
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: set it on the defensive side of the ball. If

562
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: it's fourth quarter and you're third and one, fourth and

563
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: one for the game, I'm absolutely using his legs as

564
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: a factor and playing eleven on eleven. Don't take that

565
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: away from them, you know, Like, don't don't take that away.

566
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that they have to run him

567
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: ten fifteen times, Like, don't do that either. I know

568
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: all of us are a little bit nervous and a

569
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: little anxious about him getting injured, so like, don't.

570
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: He might be safe for running than in the pocket.

571
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: But he might be But if you're down by the

572
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: goal line and you're just trying to punch it in,

573
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: even if it's just to hold the backside, because he's

574
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: a threat with his legs. To keep it, you have

575
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: to do certain things like that. You know, they have

576
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: run some RPO stuff with him when he gets to play.

577
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: You know, those are the types of things that I

578
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 2: want to continue to see with this offense moving forward.

579
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: And the last thing I wanted to do before We'll

580
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: do three up, three down a little bit earlier today

581
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: because like it's weird. We're not going to do like

582
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: a whole dissection of the game, I feel like, because well,

583
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback just changed, right. But the last thing I

584
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about with this whole thing is the

585
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette of it all. All the things I just

586
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: said about Van Pelt are fair things to say about Jacobe.

587
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: He did not have the best hand, He did not

588
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: have great offensive line play. Frankly, he had poor offensive

589
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: line play. He doesn't have all star receivers out there yet,

590
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: Like maybe Jalen Polk and Pop Douglass turn into that,

591
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: but they're not there yet. You know, I think that

592
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: was a big difference that I overlooked a little bit

593
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: with his Cleveland tape a couple of years ago. You know,

594
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: he's got a Marii Cooper and he's got David Joku,

595
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: Like those are two Pro Bowl caliber receivers that he has.

596
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: He doesn't have that here. Maybe Hunter Henry is like

597
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: close to ing Djoku, but they do not have an

598
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper from two years ago, especially, so he wasn't

599
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: dealt the fairest of hands either. With that being said,

600
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: I do feel as though this benching, based off of

601
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: the tape, and I think everybody can see it based

602
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: off of the production, was pretty was justifiable. Like I

603
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: do think you can sit there and say, especially on Sunday,

604
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: the last couple Sundays, that it just hasn't been good

605
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: enough from the quarterback position.

606
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he was getting too much flak at

607
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: the start of the season, but he got sped up

608
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily his fault. But the last couple

609
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: of weeks, like it just he was seeing ghosts out there.

610
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: He's a little shell shocked. Now hopefully that same thing

611
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to Drake May. We'll have to see, But

612
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was a professional through it all. Still is.

613
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, was talking about today in the locker room,

614
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: and you know, he said, Drake May asked him how

615
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: he's doing. He said, if you're worried about me focused

616
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: on the wrong thing, you know, it's nothing best for

617
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: the kid. He's clearly frustrated, but he's not gonna take

618
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: it out on Drake May. He's not gonna blame Drake May,

619
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: nor should he. And and yeah, I mean he gets

620
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've always been a fan of his. I

621
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: still am. I thought he handled himself well, but it

622
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: was time.

623
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a couple of plays I wanted to point

624
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: to specifically where this is just my opinion, but it

625
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: felt like these were maybe some of the sticking points

626
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: for Girodmeo and his coaching staff with making this change.

627
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 2: From a Brisette perspective, So, when you're dealing with an

628
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: offense that really doesn't create a ton of opportunities in

629
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: a game, the ones that you miss get exacerbated, right,

630
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: those are really big, key plays in the game. So

631
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: the couple of the big ones, to me, he missed

632
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: the Jalen Polk three times on third down. He had

633
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: him three times on third down, missed them all three times.

634
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: He had the corner out early on in the game.

635
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: There's pressure on him, he gets hit his he throw

636
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: is throwing, but the ball is not good enough, you know,

637
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: not a catchable throw. He missed him on an out

638
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: later on in the game in the second half, holding

639
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 2: the football. Didn't see it quick enough, didn't throw it

640
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: fast enough, missed him there. Avp mentioned today in his

641
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: press conference a third down play right before the half

642
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: where they had an open receiver and they didn't find him.

643
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: That was Polk again. That was open on the left sideline.

644
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: He opened a Bursett opened to the right side, didn't

645
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: see him on the left hand side open the deep

646
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: shot to Pop Douglas off play action. They finally dial

647
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: up a shot off play action where they get what

648
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: they want, Like they get the coverage, they get the

649
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: route against the coverage, they get it blocked. Like everything

650
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: is designed and executed perfectly. Quarterback misses the throw. That

651
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: was a big one to me. And then there's a

652
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: couple of plays to Remandre And I know, I'm like

653
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: kind of picking on Bersette a little bit, but there

654
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: was a couple of plays on Remandre to Remandre where

655
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: he threw the ball in the flat where it didn't

656
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: really make sense that the ball is going there. There

657
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: was one play in particular, and after it happened on

658
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: the sideline you can see it on the TV copy.

659
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: Gerrodmeo goes over to Alex van Pelt, puts his hand

660
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: over his mouth and says something to Alex van Pell.

661
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: There was a the throw was they motioned Hunter Henry

662
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: at the snap. They shifted him from one side of

663
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: the formation to the other side. He got followed by

664
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: a defender. When you get followed by the defender, that

665
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: usually signals it's man to man coverage, right, because the

666
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: guy's traveling with Hunter Henry. So Jacoby idd Manton man

667
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: coverage pre snap. So he thought, I'm gonna throw this

668
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: ball in the flat term Andre, He's gonna have one

669
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: guy to miss, and he's you know, make miss and

670
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna get the first down fair because Roman has

671
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: been doing that all year. Just make one guy miss,

672
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: pick up five you know, five or six yards, pick

673
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: up the Churst down correct. When the ball is snapped

674
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: the defense and kudos to Miami, they got one on

675
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: the on perset. Here the defense falls into his zone,

676
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: so they disguised that they were in zone, they drop

677
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: in his zone coverage. He throws the ball to Remandre

678
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: Anyway in the flat and like three guys are on Remondre,

679
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, within a split second, and it's a negative

680
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: one yard game and there first to punt. If he

681
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: had just read out the progression post snap, ideed that

682
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: it wasn't man to man like he thought, like when

683
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: you have to confirm, you can't just go off your

684
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: pre snap, you know instincts. You have to then confirm

685
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: post snap that this is man to man or zone.

686
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: So if he had confirmed post snap that it was

687
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: zone coverage and not man, then he has Hunter Henry,

688
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: whose man traveled with him and then dropped in the zone.

689
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: He's got Hunter Henry. Nobody covers Hunter Henry in the

690
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: left flat. He's all by his lonesome for a first

691
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: down and probably a big play. So those types of

692
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: plays we talked about this after the Jets game. Those

693
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: types of plays just felt like they were happening a

694
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: little too often with Brissette, where you had this veteran

695
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: quarterback that was supposed to be winning mentally, that was

696
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: supposed to be managing games, that was supposed to be

697
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: hitting the layups and like giving you the easy conversions

698
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: within the offense, and he just wasn't doing enough of that.

699
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that he didn't, you know,

700
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: throw a perfect ball to Jalen Polk in the back

701
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: of the end zone, or he didn't leave a lead

702
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: a game winning drive with thirty seconds to go in

703
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: the game at the end of the fourth quarter. To me,

704
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: it was are we even hitting the layups right in

705
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: this offense? And the answer too often a little bit

706
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: was no. And that's I do think that had a

707
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: hand in where we are right now. Yeah, all right,

708
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: three up, three down. We'll take some phone calls as well,

709
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: and I will talk all. We got plenty of emails

710
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: and everything about Drake May and everything going on, as

711
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: you can expect. So I'll start with you, Alex. Three up,

712
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: three down. Who is your first up from the game

713
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: on Sunday?

714
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: My first up? That's my shopping list. Third is my

715
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: first rank it did you tear it? I do it

716
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: in the order of the like I know when I'm

717
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: going through the grocery store, like, okay, well, first off,

718
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: I go to vegetables. I know some people are probably

719
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: surprised that I go to vegetables. I'm a salad guy.

720
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Like salads. Then it's like.

721
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: One of those salad guys though, where it's like just

722
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: lettuce in dressing or do you do you do? You

723
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: do some extras.

724
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: If I'm like, all right, I just need to eat quick,

725
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: like I'll do that. But like last night for instance,

726
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, lettuce, cucumber, carrot, onion, grilled some chicken up

727
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: through the chicken in there. Make my make my own

728
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: dressing because it's healthier.

729
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: Look at you, so I'm impressed.

730
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big salad guy.

731
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: Your little emerald in the kitchen.

732
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: I would put that salad on the uplist. That was

733
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: actually good. It was like ten thirty. I was writing

734
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: all night and I'm like, I just got to make

735
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: this and it came up better than I thought anyway.

736
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Number one up shocker for me. Christianzalez. Yeah again on

737
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill just really should add two picks. If there's

738
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: one knock on Christian Zalez, just make sure you catch

739
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: the ball. And it's a veteran play by by Tyreek

740
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Hill when his eyes got a little too wide. But

741
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm done doing. Is he going to be a stud?

742
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm done doing? Is he going to justify the pick

743
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: like he's kind of here. Yeah, are we still debating this?

744
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Are we still wondering this? I know we had a

745
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: rough camp, but at this point I'm ready to call

746
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: it what we said it might be at the times,

747
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: just a gamer. He shows up and he performs, and

748
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: he just continues to be He's been their best player

749
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: right through five weeks.

750
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Am I wrong in saying that percent correct? I mean

751
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: it might have been key on White early, but he's

752
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: obviously had some issues as of late. I also had

753
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez. So here are the stats. Twenty one routes

754
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: across from Tyreek Hill, three catches, fifty five yards with

755
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: a pass breakup almost dint. Yeah, the interception was on

756
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: Odell Beckham. He was covering Beckham on that play. Just

757
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: an unreal interception. Like I understand that. You know, he

758
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: is telegraphed a little bit by Huntley. He kind of

759
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: stares it down, But that is not an easy play

760
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: to make, Like it's a free access slant. Right most

761
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: of the time the quarterback thinks that that's just an

762
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: easy completion. He jumps it and you can see the

763
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: explosiveness in the clothes that he had to jump to

764
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: football extremely impressive, all of his man to man reps

765
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: against Tyreek Kill just in his hip pocket the entire way.

766
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: He had one play that was absolutely absurd. You know,

767
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: Tyrek Hill, they like to bring him in motion, so

768
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: they bring him in motion at the snap, and they

769
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: roll him into the route, that cheap motion that they use,

770
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: and Gonzo's on him in man coverage and he comes

771
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: with him stride for stride, and Tyreek Hill runs a

772
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: vertical out of the motion and Gonzo just with him

773
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: the whole whole way, like stride for stride, even with

774
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: Tyreek Kill getting the head start into the route. That's

775
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: the fastest receiver in the NFL. This guy, the way

776
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: he glides to top speed, it doesn't even look like

777
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: he's trying that hard to run fast, and he's running fast.

778
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you remember Randy Moss, Like it

779
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: just didn't even look like his legs were moving that fast,

780
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: but he was just pulling away from the defense. He's

781
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: a glider. Christian Gonzales in a similar way. The only

782
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: thing that I would say about this game for Gonzales

783
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: is more a coaching thing, like why not more man

784
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: to man like, if you're the Patriots coaching staff on

785
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: the defensive side with DeMarcus Covington, you've got to be

786
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself, like we have Stefan Gilmour, Like we

787
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: have ty Law Durell Reeves, Like we have the one

788
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: of those types of guys, you know, Patrick Sartan and Denver.

789
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: You know, we have one of those types of guys.

790
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: So there's no reason to play soft zone coverage. Like,

791
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: there's no reason to do that.

792
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: So I've been wondering this. We can get into this

793
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: more when we get to the Texans. But yeah, you know,

794
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: you lose your defensive signal call, You're down a lot

795
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: of players, frankly in the secondary, and you're facing a

796
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: couple of teams in San Francisco in Miami that have

797
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: a ton of weapons across the board, And I understand

798
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: in those cases, maybe wanting to just be like, all right,

799
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna use a ton of motion, change things pre established,

800
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: just keep everything in front of us.

801
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: This week against Houston, they shouldn't match up.

802
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: They the matchups are there, like they should go back

803
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: to play because they Gonzalez was shadowing guys at the

804
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: start of the season and then as they've lost players

805
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: on defense. That's changed. You got to get back to

806
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: it this week. It is a big week to get

807
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: back to it.

808
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: So he technically shadowed Hill in this game, and a

809
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: lot of their zone coverages convert to man to man

810
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: on verticals, so he's carrying a vertical deep even if

811
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: it's technically zone. But I would just say the biggest

812
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: thing you know with it is like the pass rush,

813
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: because when you play zone coverage, you're gonna usually only

814
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: rush four guys. Right now, they're thirtieth in the league

815
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: in pressure rate with a four man rush. They're not

816
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: getting home with.

817
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: A four Well, that was another thing I wondered, are

818
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: they trying to buy themselves some time by playing zone

819
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: because the pass rush isn't there.

820
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: So I would think it would be the opposite, right

821
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: where if you play man to man, not only can

822
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: you put another guy in the rush, right, you can

823
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: get into five six span rush. Not only that, but

824
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: now you go and you disrupt those guys on the outside.

825
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: You throw off the timing, right, you play press, you

826
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: press those guys, You ride those guys down the field.

827
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Now the timing's off. The quarterback has to hold the ball.

828
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that tracks I was thinking more like

829
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: if they I was kind of under the assumption maybe

830
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to blitz. Yeah, and in that case,

831
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: you just it's a little easier for the coverage hold

832
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: up in zone for a longer period of time. It's

833
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be as tight coverage. But yeah, you know,

834
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're not forcing quarterback to get the ball

835
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: out of his hands.

836
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at it with the way that

837
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: they've struggled in the pass rush, the way they've struggled

838
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: to rush and contain quarterbacks in the pocket. It's been

839
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: one or the other. It's either been poor discipline with

840
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: the pass rush in a four man rush, or it's

841
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: been no rush because they're just trying to keep the

842
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 2: quarterback in the pocket. So to find a nice way

843
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: to get pressure on the quarterback. You know, I'm almost

844
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: ready to go back to like twenty eighteen nineteen, Like

845
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: bring out the cover zeros, bring out the blitzes, like

846
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: five man pressure package, like with single high safety, and

847
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: go get the quarterback because the zone stuff is not

848
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: working right now. They're averaging they're allowing almost ten yards

849
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: per pass attempt in zone coverage. Nine point nine yards

850
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: per past attempt when they put.

851
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Most more yards in ash and Gent's running per carry

852
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: a poison state.

853
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: There you go. So they are are tied for dead

854
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: last in the league and yards per attempt against in

855
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: zone coverage. So play a little bit more man to

856
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: man maybe and that would help out a lot. And

857
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: you have the horse like you have the dude like

858
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez can take Stefan Diggs, he can take a

859
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, he can take you know, as a Christian

860
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: Kirk or whatever Jacksonville's thrown at you. So they have

861
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: the guy that can go ahead and take those top

862
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: matchups and take those heavyweight battles. So I would have

863
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: leaned all the way into that who's your second up?

864
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu, Yeah, just because there's so much put in

865
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: that plate on his plate in that game and second

866
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: season in the NFL, barely played as a rookie, missed

867
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: time coming in, really wasn't a part of anything in

868
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: training camp, and to have the green dot and play

869
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: as much as he did and communicate, and the Patriots

870
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: had their defensive issues in this game, certainly, I don't

871
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: want to minimize that, but it never felt like any

872
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: of them were due to like miscommunications, you guys being

873
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: out of position, right, you didn't have like you had

874
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: against Seattle or DK Metraff just down the sideline. So

875
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I felt well, like you know, against San Francisco, the

876
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: communication there seemed to be issues right without Jawan Bentley

877
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: And in this game, I thought mop who did a

878
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: really good job that he just played well too. I

879
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: look at was it in the first quarter and it

880
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: was in the first half where Jalen Wattle runs that slant.

881
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't a great throw, but there's Marte Mophu waiting

882
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: in the middle form and he puts a lick on him. Yeah,

883
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: and it's that's not a guy that's rusty. That's not

884
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: a guy that's tentative about missing time. That's a guy

885
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: that's ready to play. I thought they got a really

886
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: good performance out of mark Te Mophu in this game.

887
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him on my list as well. Played

888
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: every single defensive snap with the green dot, so that

889
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: that is really hard to do. He was able to

890
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: do it. There are a couple of plays where he

891
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: was kind of felt like it was he was everywhere.

892
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: You know.

893
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: He had one play in the red zone where he

894
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: covered three different routes as a as a single high safety,

895
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: three different routes. That that's really impressive. It's hard to do,

896
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: and that really stood out to me. I also would

897
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: add that the trickle down effect that it had on

898
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: some of the rest of the defense I thought was

899
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: really beneficial in this game because you we talked a

900
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: lot last week about having to play Tavia off the

901
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: ball so much. With Marte Mapu back playing a little

902
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: bit at the second level, Tavai played a season high

903
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: thirty eight snaps on the line of scrimmage. This week,

904
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: he was back to playing on the edge a ton more.

905
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: So now you have Mapu playing at the second level

906
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: next to like a ray Kwa McMillan, which we'll get to,

907
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: and then you have to Vay back on the line

908
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: of scrimmage because Tavia's back on the line of scrimmage

909
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: on early downs. Now Joshua doesn't have to play the

910
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: run early downs anymore, so he goes back to a

911
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: situational role. So it just had this giant domino effect

912
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: on the whole front. Seven. It wasn't perfect. There was

913
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: a couple of play action plays that whiz by his

914
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: ear that he's going to have to figure fix moving forward,

915
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, reads off of play action from the second level.

916
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: But if he's Marte Mapu linebacker, hell yeah. Finally, if

917
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: he's Marte Mopu linebacker, then they can figure out way

918
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: to use some of the other guys to the best

919
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: of their abilities. So it wasn't just that he played

920
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: well and he wore the green die and the communication

921
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: was good and his role was taken care of. There

922
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: was also a nice little trickle down effect that it

923
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: had on the rest of the defense. And I'd give

924
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: my you know, I kind of said this stuff about

925
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: man coverage and zone coverage, like kudos to DeMarcus coverage,

926
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: and in the staff, I thought that was one of

927
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: the first times where I was like, good coaching move

928
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: like that, that's the right thing to do. You know,

929
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: he's at the second level the defense most of the

930
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: time to vise back on the end of the line,

931
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: like this is all the pieces that are starting to

932
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: fit together a little bit better in that front seven.

933
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: So I was excited about that. Yeah, and you know,

934
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: I was excited about Maphu playing of course. Yeah, that

935
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite parts of this game.

936
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeap, third up Pop Douglas. Yeah, and this was clearly

937
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: his best game the year. I know he put up

938
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: numbers in that Jets game, but we I know I

939
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: talked about another shows I don't remember we did on

940
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: this show that felt that was like an empty calories

941
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of game. Yeah, because, yes, he put up the numbers,

942
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: but a lot of it it was in the second

943
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: half when when the game was sort of out of reach,

944
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: and it just it felt like they were forcing him

945
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: the ball. It didn't feel like he was producing in

946
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the context of the offense. It felt like he was

947
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: just like, all right, throw the ball to Pop because

948
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: we need to throw the ball to Pop.

949
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: Right.

950
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this game he was productive, he was involved, but

951
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: he's doing it in big spots. He's moving the chains.

952
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: It's felt more natural, right, So we'll have to see

953
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: if he can continue that with Drake may now. But

954
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: I just that was sort of the role the performance

955
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: you hope to see from Pop Douglas in the summer.

956
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Even coming out of that Jets game, with the numbers

957
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: he put up, it was like, eh, like I all right,

958
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: so we caught whatever it was nine passes, but it

959
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: never felt like he made a difference. None of those

960
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: felt like impact plays. He was making impact plays in

961
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: this game.

962
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the reason why they got into scoring

963
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: range on the game winning drive. That wasn't you know?

964
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: He got him down the field. It was a big

965
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: part of that. I love the fact that a lot

966
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: of it came out of the slot, Like finally, some

967
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: like quick hitters over the middle out of the slot

968
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: from this offense. Was great to see Miami open the

969
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: middle of the field a little bit too often. I

970
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know why you would ever

971
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: open the middle of the field against the Patriots, but

972
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: they surely did. They played some split safety and you know,

973
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: he was in there in the middle, you know, finding

974
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: ways to make that happen. And a couple of those

975
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: like hammer routes or whatever you want to call him,

976
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: where you know, the underneath player kind of sits and

977
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: holds the zone and then he just curls under you know,

978
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: behind it on that post. Hit that twice, two or

979
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: three times, I want to say twice. It was one

980
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: of them they almost hit. If he had caught the

981
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: one that he dove for. If he catches that in stride,

982
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: he's he's walking in for a touchdown. So that play

983
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: was working for them. He was working for them. I

984
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: like that one. That's a good one. My last one though,

985
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: is Ermandre Stevenson. Yeah, he was good third three yard touchdown,

986
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: third down conversion early on in this game, but even

987
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: bigger than that. I just liked how he bounced back.

988
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: I like how he took some adversity on the chin.

989
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: I know that it was a soft emotion, benching, whatever

990
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: you want to call it, but this team needs guys

991
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: to respond the way Ramondre Stevenson responded. I thought he

992
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: said all the right things during the week. I thought

993
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: he had the right attitude. He has the big play

994
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: on the touchdown, like that is what we were all

995
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: looking for. He doesn't fumble in the game. First game

996
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: without a fumble. I know that's not necessarily a high bar,

997
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: but it's important. It's important to see somebody bounce back

998
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: from some adversity on this team, because I definitely think

999
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: that that's been missing. You don't want the losing to

1000
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: become as a felgorrism. You don't want the losing to

1001
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: become habitual. It seemed to me like Demandra Stevenson was

1002
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: part of the solution on Sunday and not the problem,

1003
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: and that's what they need from a guy that they

1004
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: just paid. So I like the bounce back from Vermandre.

1005
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: I thought he handled it well. Now, of course he's hurt,

1006
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens. You know, it seems like

1007
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: that's happening a lot with this team. All right, let's

1008
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: move over to the downs.

1009
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: Nick Leverett. Yeah, and look there were no bad snaps,

1010
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: but ten pressures and yeah, interior pressure is just gonna

1011
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: wreck your game, wreck your game, especially with the young quarterback.

1012
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: It was. And look, they clearly don't feel great about

1013
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: it because they've signed two centers this week, went to

1014
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: the active roster, one of the practice squad. You knew

1015
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna We talked about this last week, had his

1016
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: David Andrews. Was David Andrews playing well before he got hurt. Yeah,

1017
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily up to his standard, But I kind of said,

1018
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: it's almost not worth discussing because the drop off is

1019
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: so significant. There's nobody who's gonna come in and come

1020
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: close to what he's giving you. And I think he

1021
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: kind of saw that.

1022
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it, Lever had a tough game, some of it,

1023
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, the ten pressures. I think you could have

1024
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 2: argued that some of it was on the guards as well,

1025
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: not helping him out as much as they could have.

1026
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of early on especially it

1027
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: was a lot of stunt pressure right, like twists on

1028
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: the inside that they weren't passing off quite quick enough.

1029
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: There were times where the tackle and the nose tackle

1030
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: was like shaded into the a gap and so it's

1031
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: on his outside shoulder, and like normally you would like

1032
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: to see because he's got to snap the ball and

1033
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: then he's got to get into position to block it.

1034
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: So normally you would like to see the guard kind

1035
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: of give some help there to the inside, like at

1036
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: least give like the shade like a bump or you know,

1037
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: a forearm or something to try to slow him down

1038
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: so that Leverett can get out of his stance and

1039
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: snap the ball. So I don't think it was all

1040
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: on him that he that they allowed ten quarterback pressures

1041
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: up the middle. But at the same time, you know,

1042
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: he is the center, right, so if they're coming off

1043
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: his outsider inside hip, you know, he is the guy

1044
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: in the middle that's allowing that to happen. So he

1045
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: was on my list as well. I just thought that

1046
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: in general, and I kind of put on Whenue in

1047
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: this boat a little bit too. In general, it just

1048
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: wasn't really great on the inside. Ironically, with all the

1049
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: questions about the tackles, I thought the tackles played pretty

1050
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: well in this game. But Darien Lowe especially, I thought

1051
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: this was one of his best games as a Patriot

1052
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen him play. He was really solid

1053
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: in this game. There's too much pressure on the interior.

1054
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: Even if you watch the play the Pulk play at

1055
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: the end of the game, there's interior pressure in Jacobe

1056
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 2: Ressett's lap. It's part of the reason why the ball

1057
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: was a little bit high to Jalen Polk. So that

1058
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: needs to be cleaned up. And Mike On went, who

1059
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: I challenge him a little bit, like, that's your eighteen

1060
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: million dollars a year player, right, that's your big money guard,

1061
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: your big money offensive lineman. He's got to step up

1062
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: and he's got to play a little bit better in

1063
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: that situation in late game crunch time, like that's when

1064
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: you need your your horses to really step up and

1065
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: play good football. And it just wasn't quite good enough

1066
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: in certain spots. So we both had Leverett who is

1067
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: your next one.

1068
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: I feel bad because I feel like I'm picking him

1069
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: every week, but it's just been a rough start to

1070
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: the season. Season Joshua Uche, Yeah, didn't give you much

1071
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, and then I'll talk more about

1072
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: special teams than a little bit. But the twelfth guy

1073
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: on the field, and it was a brutal, brutal and

1074
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Gonzalez bailed him out. But yeah, had the potentially be

1075
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: a true game, you know game losing twelve men on

1076
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: the field penalty. It just feels like every week he's

1077
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: either something doing this is just a lack of discipline

1078
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: or just lack of awareness.

1079
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: Yep, that's a fair one. I'll go before we get

1080
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: into the coaching because that's I think on both of

1081
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: our lists. I'll go, ray Qwa McMillan. Yeah, just couldn't

1082
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: get off blocks in the run game. There's really nothing

1083
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: else to say besides that. Like, it's just it's such

1084
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: a big drop off from him from Juwan Bentley to

1085
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: what they're getting off the ball right now. At the

1086
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: linebacker position, it's been an absolute struggle trying to get

1087
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: off blocks and trying to condense space from the second

1088
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: level of the defense. He was in the mix on

1089
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: like five or six big runs by Miami, like targeting

1090
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: him in the run game and running right at him

1091
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: on that last drive, you know, sixteen yards you just

1092
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: can't get off a block, goes right up the middle.

1093
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: Raheem Mostert in that last drive for the Dolphins, one

1094
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: of the big runs on that play. I don't know

1095
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: what they do at the second level of the defense.

1096
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: Mapu obviously is a part of it, and so we'll

1097
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: dug er By, you know, he'll be a part of

1098
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: it too. When he gets back. We should mention that

1099
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: he was back at practice to so maybe that's a

1100
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: positive sign. It's almost a little scary about what I'm

1101
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: about to say, but like Sioni, Taki Taki is an

1102
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: important player. Yeah, like if they if he This is

1103
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: part of the problem with the team right now and

1104
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: why it's kind of is where it is. You know,

1105
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 2: Taki Taki's signed to play like the mac Wilson third

1106
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: down special teams role. And because you lose Bentley and

1107
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: because you don't have great depth across the roster now

1108
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: you're really counting on Taki Taki to be a three

1109
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: down player, Like he has to come back and be

1110
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: better than Raykwon McMillan is giving you right now. So

1111
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: I've been disappointed at McMillan because to me, he should

1112
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: just be a hammer in the middle of the defense.

1113
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: I don't even need him to make the tackle, Like,

1114
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: just go in there and just blow up the scheme, right, Like,

1115
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: just be the one that kind of comes charging at

1116
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and blows it up. Dwan Bentley

1117
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: used to do that all the time, where Like it

1118
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily him who got the guy on the ground,

1119
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: It was that blew up the blocking scheme that allowed

1120
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: somebody else to come in and clean it up. They

1121
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: need more from that second level spot, especially if it's

1122
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: gonna be a ray Quon moving forward. So if it's

1123
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: Taki Taki going into that spot. You know, Christian Ellis

1124
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: had a rough game in this one too, so I

1125
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think he's the answer, but they need to

1126
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 2: find some answers there at the second level of the defense.

1127
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: Should we get on the coaching because.

1128
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: I think my head coaching is my third one too.

1129
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you look at specifically?

1130
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean, just overall, I thought the offensive game plan

1131
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't make a ton of sense. Yeah, especially once you

1132
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: got into the game. Franchise record seven point nine yards

1133
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: per carry. Yeah, and they I think they had the

1134
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth highest row rate in the league, right.

1135
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in it eighteen times.

1136
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: This situation. You know, I'm gonna start situational football. Yeah,

1137
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half, you have that

1138
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: that spot where it's all right, either just run the

1139
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: half out and go to the locker room or push

1140
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Again, they split the difference

1141
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: in the worst way possible, gave the ball back Miami.

1142
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: Now Miami tripped all over themselves and get back to

1143
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots, who somehow then punted it back to Miami.

1144
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: And it was just a beautiful sequence of sicco football.

1145
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about pants off in the press

1146
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: box like that was disgusting. It was great.

1147
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: Why is that a good thing? Because there's something do

1148
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: you want to watch bad? That was bad foot?

1149
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's something about it where everybody starts

1150
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: complaining about it, where it suddenly like I just enjoyed,

1151
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: Like oh you know there there's there's a little bit

1152
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: of a football fan snob and me, oh, I like this,

1153
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: what's wrong? With you people. You don't like it. I

1154
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: like it, but anyway, from an actual execution point of view,

1155
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: not good. And and not only that, And Mayo pointed

1156
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: this out and I recognized it the minute it happened.

1157
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: That was the exact same thing they did against Seattle,

1158
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: and it cost them the game against Seattle because Seattle

1159
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: actually was competent and turned it into a field goal

1160
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: in a game that goes to overtimes. Obviously massively significant.

1161
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: That so Mayo talks about not being a mistake repeater,

1162
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt mistake repeater.

1163
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, or Mayo like, Look, and this is a I

1164
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: wanted to say this off the top, and I've had

1165
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: a lot to say about the may thing, and I

1166
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: forgot one of the things that I actually really like

1167
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: about this decision to go to may And this is again,

1168
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: don't aggregate me. Okay, this is just my opinion. But

1169
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: Mayo to me went in on Monday and said, we're

1170
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: making the change. Yeah, you know, avp Elliott, whoever else

1171
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: is it has to say in all this like I'm

1172
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: the head coach of the team. This is what we're doing,

1173
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: and he needs to do more of that. At the

1174
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: end of the half. We've seen it on all you know,

1175
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: they didn't have a ton of access, but we've gotten

1176
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: some access to the sideline at times in the Bill era.

1177
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: NFL Films has gotten access to the sideline and Bill era,

1178
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: and it's documented, like it's on camera of Bill being like, hey, Josh,

1179
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: let's run it here. Hey Josh, you know, let's make

1180
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: sure we don't punt it back to them at the

1181
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: end of the half here. You know, little things like that.

1182
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: It's not hey Josh, let's run outside zone week. It's

1183
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: not like you're not he's not calling to play. He

1184
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: is just a little subtle, reminded game script.

1185
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: It's the thing that the coaches you love can't do,

1186
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: I refuse to do so, so there's that. You then

1187
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: have it at the end of the half. Again, you're

1188
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: running seven point nine yards per carry and I know

1189
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: two minute drill traditional thought, throw the ball, but they

1190
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: get down to the thirteen yard line with whatever it was,

1191
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: one fifty four to go, like at the two minute warning,

1192
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: so you need to go thirteen yards and two minutes

1193
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: with all three timeouts available to you.

1194
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: It's not happening.

1195
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: The entire playbooks available, The entire playbook should be available

1196
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: in that moment, and they throw four times, should one

1197
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: of them been a touchdown? Like maybe the rule was

1198
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: called correctly. And this is where I'll break some people.

1199
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: I actually think it's good that rule exists. I understand

1200
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: and why it exists. It's annoying, but it makes sense

1201
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: when you look at it in the context of it

1202
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: borrows language from actually the rule that determines whether or

1203
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: not a player is out of bounds, And if that

1204
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: rule didn't exist, you could technically have a situation where

1205
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: a player makes a catch in bounds while simultaneously being

1206
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Yeah, and obviously you can't have that

1207
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: right So but anyway, so you know, wait, so you

1208
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 1: don't have a problem that they didn't try to running

1209
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: the ball there at the end of the game. Yeah, uh,

1210
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: take your just general anti run bias out.

1211
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of a problem with it.

1212
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: But this is the this is the crux of our

1213
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: debate with everything that is football, Like we The problem

1214
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: that I have with the whole argument that they called

1215
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: four pass plays in a row, yeah, all incomplete, is

1216
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: that you're taking out some really important context, which is

1217
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: that they were a heel away from the game winning

1218
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: touchdown and okay, but they didn't score it. But as

1219
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: an offensive guy and as a defender of play callers

1220
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: and tight pants people, I have to say that that

1221
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: to me is an execution based error and not a

1222
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: play calling error like it. It's not Alex van Pelt's

1223
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: fault that that Jalen Polk didn't get his second foot

1224
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: in bounds. It is the player's responsibility to make that.

1225
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: But I also just think you're at a point where

1226
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: you're running the ball so well, you don't have to

1227
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: go far, you still have your all three your timeouts.

1228
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: Available, they could have mixed in a round.

1229
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: Why not lean on the strength? And you know, I'm

1230
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: not even saying you run it in from the from

1231
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: the twelve. Maybe you run it down to the two

1232
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: and then you can run some sort of screen or

1233
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: a jet pass or something like that. Right, Throwing from

1234
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: the thirteen is kind of tough because you don't you're

1235
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: too far out to run your goal line pass package,

1236
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: but you are sort of constricted on space when it

1237
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: comes to your just general passing game. I'm a big

1238
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: proponent of from like the sixteen to like the eleven,

1239
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: or even inside that the sixteen like the eight, run

1240
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: the ball in there so you can get to your

1241
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: goal line pass package.

1242
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: Right, So, like most teams have the red zone broken

1243
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: up into three sort of places, so it's you know

1244
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: what one to six, like inside five, and then you

1245
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: go to like seven to like fourteen fifteen depending on

1246
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: the coach, sixteen, and then you have like high red

1247
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: zone friend red zone.

1248
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 5: Right.

1249
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: So a lot of offensive philosophy that and I kind

1250
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: of agree with it is that you want best It's

1251
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: kind of like with third down two, Like best case

1252
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 2: scenario is that you avoid the red zone altogether. Yeah,

1253
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: and you throw it in from like the twenty two, right,

1254
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: Like that's like the best case scenario because as your point,

1255
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: you just made the space. When it condenses, it's just

1256
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: harder and harder.

1257
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: Unless you have like a raw Gronkowski where it's like

1258
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: we're just gonna flex him out and throw the ball

1259
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: up to him. Like yeah, I'm a big proponent of

1260
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's just run this thing and get it

1261
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: inside the five and then open it all back up.

1262
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: So like when they got to the twelve, to me,

1263
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: the further you go in, the harder it is to

1264
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: throw the ball from the twelve so I didn't hate

1265
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: them throwing it from the twelve because they still have

1266
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of space to have a We're talking

1267
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 2: about vertical elements of this field, right, so they still

1268
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a verticality to the field.

1269
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: And not only do they still have it, they they

1270
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: ran They had the perfect play call on the perfect

1271
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: route to beat the coverage ageither in Tampa Tuo and

1272
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: they run the seam splitter to Jail and Polk and

1273
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: it works beautifully like they had it. They had the

1274
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: play called up, they had it drawn up perfectly. The

1275
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: receiver just didn't get his foot and bounds. So yeah,

1276
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: I guess they could have mixed in a run at

1277
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: some point. But now you're in third and ten, you're

1278
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: probably you know, I know it's a two down territory thing,

1279
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: but you're starting to get into that situation. So could

1280
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: they have ran it on first down?

1281
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1282
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: Sure? Like first or second down? Yeah, maybe maybe they

1283
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: saved the Polk play for third down, right, you know,

1284
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: or something.

1285
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: And I would just even go back, well, yeah, cause

1286
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: you run eight yards of carry second to ten on

1287
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: it third and two, take a shot to the end

1288
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: zone if not fourth until you can pick it up

1289
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: and you're not even that like you can. Yes, it

1290
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: does get tougher to throw when you get down there

1291
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: because the vertical stuff. And my thing is like, can

1292
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: we get to the two to three yard line force

1293
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: them to bring in the jumbo package and then just

1294
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: like bootleg and hit a tight end in the flat.

1295
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: That would be too easy, too easy. They don't do

1296
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: things that are right.

1297
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Well I'm saying like that, or even again, pop, where

1298
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: is the pop pass?

1299
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: The pop where I've been waiting for this all year?

1300
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: You're not getting they do it orbit that's the best

1301
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna get it.

1302
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: And then another coaching thing that's a little more abstract.

1303
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: So you might hate this.

1304
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: But probably when the Dolphins score.

1305
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: This isn't so much a coaching decision as much as

1306
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: something I think reflects on coaching. Yeah, when the Dolphins

1307
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: scored would end up being the game. When he touched

1308
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: down with four and a half minutes ago, alec Engold

1309
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: runs it in from the three yard line. Yeah, that

1310
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: was the dolphins seventy second offensive play the game.

1311
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1312
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: The Patriots to that point had run forty one plays. Yeah,

1313
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: a thirty play discrepancy is nuts. Yeah, like you just

1314
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: don't see that. And that's where I give the defense

1315
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of leeway because average team runs what

1316
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: sixty plays, sixty five plays over the course of a game.

1317
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: So here you are with five minutes ago, you're already

1318
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: over at It's not exceptional, but it's over average where

1319
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask a defense to do. And a lot

1320
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 1: of that it's complimentary football, right, It's a big Bill

1321
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Belichick thing, like the offense could not stay on the field,

1322
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: could not sustain drives. They did not have a drive

1323
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: that lasted over five minutes. So the first three quarters

1324
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: they only had two drives that lasted over four plays.

1325
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, they had one, two, three, four, five, six,

1326
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: three and outs in the first three quarters of eight drives.

1327
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: That to me, and that there's a number of reasons

1328
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: that come from that, but that reflects on coaching. To me,

1329
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: that is something where like the game plan wasn't good enough.

1330
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: You should not be getting out repped by thirty plays

1331
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: with five minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

1332
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a lot of the same coaching point,

1333
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: you know, criticisms. I had the offensive philosophy, game play

1334
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 2: and whatever you want to call it. I already talked

1335
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: about all the route concepts and things like that that

1336
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily care for. I still don't really feel

1337
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: as though this play calling, his play calling with Van

1338
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: Pelt is sequenced or is you know, married together. I

1339
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: still feel like we're a little bit in the Madden

1340
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: offense phase where we're just kind of pulling plays out

1341
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: of a hat. But maybe that becomes a little bit

1342
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: more sequence, with some more consistency, and with Drake May

1343
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: under center, maybe they get some better quarterback play and

1344
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: they're able to marry it up a little bit more.

1345
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: But I still feel like we're outside zone one play,

1346
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: we're empty the next play, then we're gun run, then

1347
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: we're gapped, and we're you know, I guess we're just

1348
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: all over the place with the play calling. They're calling

1349
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: play action plays that don't marry to the runs, like

1350
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: they're calling outside zone bootleg play actions and they've only

1351
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: ran outside zone a couple times. Like, I don't understand

1352
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 2: how those things are gonna really get the defense out

1353
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 2: of you know, certain coverage or or you know, get

1354
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: the line to you know, take the cheese or whatever.

1355
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't seem like that is a sequenced together.

1356
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: Still enough, I didn't like the end of the half either.

1357
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: The big thing with the end of the half to

1358
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: me is that you're backed up like you're inside your

1359
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: own what ten or fifteen yard line? With the way

1360
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: you play offense, you really think you're gonna go ninety

1361
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: yards in two minutes, right, So the biggest thing there

1362
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: they had to lead at that point too, I want

1363
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: to say, the biggest thing there is playing the clock, right, Like,

1364
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: just make sure you don't give the ball back to

1365
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: the opponent. So when you run it for seven or

1366
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: eight yards on first down and it's second and three,

1367
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: pick up a first down so that you have four

1368
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: more downs to now work the clock right, and if

1369
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: you hit another one, then yeah, maybe now you start

1370
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: to open it up and you start to play for points.

1371
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: But like at that situation, you're you can't view it

1372
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: like you're playing for points until the offense starts to

1373
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: move the ball significantly better. Right now, you are playing

1374
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: field position, you're playing clock, you're playing you're managing the

1375
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: game on the offense side of the ball. You're not

1376
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: the seven Patriots where you're gonna go ninety yards in

1377
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: three plays, Like that's just not going to happen. I

1378
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: adn't like that. I put that as much on Mayo

1379
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: as I put it on Van Pelt. I think Mayo

1380
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: needs to get on the on the headset and be like, Hey,

1381
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. Run the ball, you call it,

1382
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: but we're running the ball. So I feel like that

1383
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: it's a big thing with the coaching as well, and

1384
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: we should mention twelve penalties, twelve and fourteen really twelve accepted,

1385
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: even going, you know, into the game winning drive that wasn't.

1386
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: I love Hunter Henry. I think he's a good football player,

1387
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: a good Patriot. But it's fourth and ten and you

1388
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: jump off side and you make it fourth and fifteen.

1389
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: You already can't. You're already a team that doesn't pick

1390
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: up ten yards very easily. You're definitely not picking up

1391
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: fifteen yards at that point. The one coaching thing I

1392
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: wanted to end with before we move on.

1393
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: I have one more two.

1394
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: Okay, did you think at all that they should have

1395
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: considered the field goal?

1396
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: Like for a second, I guess the TV broadcast was

1397
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: talking about it a lot, Yeah, but talking about it

1398
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: in the context of like game Tiger, game winning. Yeah,

1399
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: But I mean to your point. This is not an

1400
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: offense that picks up a ton of yards. The defense

1401
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: is gassed. They've been outrepped by thirty plays. So you're

1402
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: either gonna have to recover an onside kick and still

1403
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: go you know, thirty forty yards, right, or you got

1404
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: to give the ball back to your defense who just

1405
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: got absolutely gashed on the ground.

1406
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like those are That was Girodd's reasoning, and I

1407
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:33,479
Speaker 2: think that's fair.

1408
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: I there's an argument to be made, but I think

1409
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: you go for this is this team, you're playing with

1410
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: house money, like you're in the game, go win it.

1411
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. That so Drod Meyo's argument was that the defense

1412
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: felt it felt like the defense was gassed, and giving

1413
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: the ball back to Miami there to try to get

1414
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: a stop was probably less likely than maybe they wanted

1415
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: it to be. But this is where the nerds. I'm

1416
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: gonna defend the non nerds for a second. I'm gonna

1417
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: be on your side of the street a little bit.

1418
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes in those situation.

1419
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: Does the nerds want the field goal?

1420
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: No, the nerds wanted to would always want to go

1421
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: in that situation. So the nerds telling you to go right,

1422
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: But the nerds are not always factoring in that this

1423
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: is the Patriots offense that can't move the ball from

1424
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: point A to point B.

1425
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: So is what Bill talked about the right?

1426
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, of course, like over the course of a

1427
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: million trials and different teams in the league over the

1428
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: last ten years, when you've put in you know, the

1429
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: seven Patriots and the twenty thirteen Broncos and the twenty

1430
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: eighteen Kansas City Chiefs and like all these other offenses. Yeah,

1431
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: of course, like fourth and the odds and picking up

1432
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: fourth and fifteen are better than field goal on side

1433
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,520
Speaker 2: kick three and out? Field goal? Is it for this team?

1434
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 5: Like?

1435
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: Is it really higher odds to pick up fourth and

1436
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: fifteen than it is to find a way to get

1437
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: the ball back of it?

1438
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: But I think it is just because now.

1439
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: You're on the nerds side. No, you said that the

1440
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: nerd the nerds would have gone for it. The nerds

1441
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: did go for it.

1442
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: Wait, which, what pla are you talking about?

1443
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm talking about fourth and fifteen on the second to

1444
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: last possession of the game.

1445
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not saying it because of the nerds,

1446
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: I know, But I just so you wanted the field goal.

1447
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: I would have considered kicking the field.

1448
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: I would I would have considered it. But here's the thing.

1449
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: The nerds they're not picking up fourth and fifteen.

1450
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: That defense was gassed. They'd been on the field for

1451
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: seventy one plays. Yeah, they were not getting you stop.

1452
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: So you reverse nerd that because the nerds would have

1453
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: gone for it as they do.

1454
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: Their nerds are right, but they're reasons. Sometimes the nerds

1455
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: are right, but their reasoning is atrocious.

1456
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: It dawned on me after the game. It wasn't something

1457
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 2: I thought about live, because you know my brain, it's

1458
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 2: always go for it in that situation live. But after

1459
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: the game, I was like, I don't know, Like, maybe

1460
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: you do count on your defense to try to get

1461
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: a three and out there.

1462
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If you're gonna count on your defense,

1463
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: because remember you have all three timeouts, right, but that's

1464
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: the thing. So I never assume. So here's just a

1465
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: philosophy of mine. Yeah, I never factor in an onside kick.

1466
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: I think the odds of getting it's winning the lottery. Like,

1467
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna budget myself around winning the lottery. So

1468
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: to me, well, all right, if we're gonna put the

1469
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: defense back on the field anyway, let's put them back

1470
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: on the field at to seventeen, where you know, if

1471
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: we get the ball back, we actually a favorable field

1472
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: position versus Well, now, all right, the defense still need

1473
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: to stop, but they got to get a stop all

1474
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: the way over here, and we have to go that

1475
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: much further on offense. Like I just and you know me,

1476
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm the special teams guy, and no offense to special

1477
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: teams coaches or kickers or anybody. I am only going

1478
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: with an on side kick if I absolutely need it.

1479
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: Like on side kick to me is all right, we're

1480
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: down fourteen, like we have to get another possession here

1481
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: right in that situation, an on side kick give me

1482
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 1: pretty much anything on side kick is the less favorable

1483
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: of the two options. It's just how I view the game.

1484
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so is there You said you had to one

1485
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: more coaching thing.

1486
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is going to be a first. I

1487
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: have something that I put on both the ups and

1488
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: the downs. I've probably done this before.

1489
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: You you just have to do something weird.

1490
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 1: And it's special teams. It's just special teams as a whole. Yeah,

1491
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: because they block a punt. Yes, again, the kick coverage

1492
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I thought was really good.

1493
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

1494
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: But two just brutal penalties and a miss chip chip

1495
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: shot field goals. So in a five point game, like

1496
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: they lost this game in large part because of special teams.

1497
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: But I don't want to put the special teams all

1498
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: the way on the downs because like you blocked a punt.

1499
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 2: Right and again, and that is a field flipping sit right.

1500
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: And again, you're covering kicks well and all that. So

1501
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: roller coaster day for special teams is what I called it. Yeah, well,

1502
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk to Jeremy Springer tomorrow. I'm kind

1503
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: of curious, although at that point you're probably past it,

1504
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: but you know how he viewed it again, twelve men

1505
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: on the field that gives Miami the ball back after

1506
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: defense gets a stop. Again in a game where you know,

1507
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: Gonzales ended it also I think it was two plays

1508
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: later gets the pick, but in a game where the

1509
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: play disparity was as big as it was, giving them

1510
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: essentially an extra free possession. Brutal You take it to

1511
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: lay a game on a punt non intentionally. They did

1512
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: take one intentionally, and that's what Yeah, but may we

1513
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: even said after the game it wasn't intentional.

1514
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: That is interesting.

1515
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: You're you're huddling up on third death, Like the punt

1516
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: team doesn't huddle if you watch the game, and the

1517
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: reason you don't huddle is because before the third down

1518
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: you're basically deciding, all right, if they don't get it,

1519
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. There's no decision making

1520
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: like get on the field, kick the ball. Yeah, it's

1521
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: that simple, except it wasn't in that case. And then again,

1522
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, miss thirty three yard field goal. Missfield goals

1523
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: are gonna happen. But in a game like this, come on,

1524
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: you gotta hit that. You gotta hit the gammes. So

1525
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: not fulliing up, not fully you down. But there were

1526
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: individual plays for special teams that deserve to be on

1527
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: one list or the.

1528
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: Other barringer had a bad plus fifty punt two I

1529
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: think in this game, right it was late. It was

1530
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: like a forty one yard shank or something like that,

1531
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: you know, the one up. I would also say, like

1532
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones fifteen yard punt return kind of gave them

1533
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: some life there at the end of the game. That

1534
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: was the other reason I was.

1535
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: Sitting there waiting because I came into this game being

1536
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: like this gives me big time twenty twenty two Jets game.

1537
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 6: Vies.

1538
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: You remember that one right two field goals in the

1539
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: second quarter in the Marcus Jones and I said to

1540
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: Matt Doloff, I it was before the Patriots drive that

1541
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: ended with the polkplay. Yeah, that we were potential feeling.

1542
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: He goes, So the Patriots go down and score. I'm like, no,

1543
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 1: Patriots punt. Patriots go for it three and out, Dolphins

1544
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 1: have the punt back Marcus Jones Houser return. Just watch

1545
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: and Jones makes that first guy Mitch I stood, Yeah,

1546
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, here it's actually what

1547
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: I happened. But yeah, roller coaster today for special teams.

1548
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's take some of these phone calls.

1549
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 2: But before we do, the long fall I Day weekend

1550
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Speaker 2: is almost here. F holiday weekend, Holliday?

1551
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: Do you really not understand what that is?

1552
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Speaker 2: Now? The long falliday weekend is almost here, and you

1553
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1554
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Speaker 2: Columbus Day. Yeah, long holiday weekend, dude, we don't no,

1555
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Speaker 2: or just like if you want to take a fall

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Speaker 2: weekend like people, you know, I'm not complaining like this

1557
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Speaker 2: is a first world problem. A vacation in the.

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1570
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 2: you left these people on hold for long, a long time.

1571
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: This is just like last week, so we're gonna go

1572
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 2: through it.

1573
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: Let's take the.

1574
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: Patty is an Agua? What's up? Patty?

1575
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: Looks up?

1576
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Speaker 3: Guys.

1577
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 6: I love the open today. O.

1578
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Speaker 2: Great, there you go, thank you? Oh yeah, it was

1579
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: about you. There you go. What's up? Patty?

1580
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 6: My Alex my wife budgets our life, like I've already

1581
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 6: won the lottery, so I you know, I know what

1582
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 6: you mean. So I just wanted to get your guys

1583
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 6: opinion on what do you think the best way to

1584
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 6: attack us This Houston offense is going to be? Do

1585
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 6: you do you think he play more zone or do

1586
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 6: you think you try and try and man him up

1587
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 6: and you know, just go after him, you know, stee

1588
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 6: if you can bring an extra man and possibly if

1589
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 6: you do play man, have a spy. So J Stroud,

1590
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not like Lamar Jackson, but the guy

1591
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 6: can't take off, and he can he can run and

1592
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 6: pick up first downs and he's been doing a little

1593
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 6: bit more of that this year. And I'll take it

1594
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 6: off here so you can get some other guys up

1595
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 6: and as always be guys are the best.

1596
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty, thanks for the call and we're always love

1597
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: to put you in the in the open as one

1598
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: of the regulars. It's a good question. So statistically c J.

1599
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 2: Stroud has destroyed man coverage this year. He is best

1600
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: in the league like Passer Rating EPA per play yards

1601
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: for pass attempt just across the board as just torch

1602
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: man coverage. Now the one caveat to that is that

1603
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 2: he was torching man coverage with Nico Collins on the field.

1604
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 2: So now Nico Collins is not on the field, it's

1605
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs, it's Tank Dell. Remember Xavier Hutchinson, we talked

1606
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: about him in the draft, I know we did. Yeah,

1607
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: he's now on the Texans. He's out there for them

1608
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: as well as like their big body outside receiver, kind

1609
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: of like an Alan Lazard type. So they have those

1610
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 2: three guys. They have Dalton schultzet tight end, who's a

1611
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: good tight end. You know, he can make some things happen.

1612
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: But in theory they should be able to go man

1613
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 2: to man against this team. Now do you do that

1614
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: against Stroud Given the numbers, I should put in that

1615
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: caveat though, we're still kind of in small sample size

1616
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: of world right now with numbers like that. So he

1617
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: hasn't had a ton of dropbacks against man coverage, but

1618
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: the ones that he have has had have been heavily

1619
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: in the Texans offense favor when teams play man to man.

1620
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he also hasn't exactly played the best defenses

1621
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, to me, this one's pretty straightforward.

1622
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: Gonzales on Digs yep. John Jones on Tank Dell, You're

1623
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out with Xavier Hutchinson. And I've

1624
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: talked about this Evan, that these bigger receivers give them trouble. Yeah,

1625
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: and this is maybe is a Bolden game.

1626
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: Or and been waiting for it.

1627
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: Alex Austin game.

1628
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen Marco Wilson out there.

1629
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson yep. Alex Austin and I are right, that's

1630
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: the right Marco Wilson game. Thank you.

1631
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1632
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,440
Speaker 1: The X factor to me, so well, there's two. I

1633
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: is you probably not surprised him infatuated with the Gonzalez

1634
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: stuff on Diggs matchup, Yeah, because this guy cooked you

1635
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: for years in Buffalo, and when they drafted Christian goan Zalez,

1636
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: I think my first reaction was finally somebody to cover

1637
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: Stephan Diggs.

1638
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1639
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: Now they obviously never matched up last year. Diggs also

1640
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: sort of gave up late last season. But now here

1641
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: we go, Digs wide receiver one with with Collins out, Yeah,

1642
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: Gonzales healthy, let's see it. I asked Mike Pellegrino about

1643
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: Digs today and he was very, very complimentary of him,

1644
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: like hasn't lost like talking about like hasn't lost a step,

1645
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: and Diggs has been good. Digs has been good this year.

1646
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: Obviously it's gonna come to another level. But assuming that

1647
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: Gonzalez stays competitive, you're gonna hate this take for me.

1648
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: But this is this is the biggest test for Christian

1649
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: Zalez for me, not Tyreek Hill, not a J. Brown,

1650
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: not any of these other guys, because of what Diggs

1651
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 1: has done to the Patriots.

1652
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: That that's fair. I mean, look is great. You're not

1653
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: gonna hear it, But.

1654
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: So is Gonzalez goal. So taking that matchup out of it,

1655
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz to me, has a chance to break this game.

1656
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 1: And I know he hasn't done. One of the stories

1657
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: in Houston is like he maybe hasn't been involved as

1658
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: he should be. Twenty two targets, fourteen catches for one

1659
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen yards. But how are you, like, is

1660
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: it del Pettis, It's probably not Marte Mapu. It shouldn't

1661
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: be Jalen Hawkins. He needs to be on the back end. Yeah,

1662
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: so you know you're you're asking a rookie in his

1663
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: sixth career game to go up against the guy who's

1664
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: one of the better tight ends in the league. That's

1665
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: a tough matchup, and that's somewhere where if I'm c. J. Stroud,

1666
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Dalton Schultz a lot this week.

1667
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 2: So see about Kyle Dugar's status because I agree with

1668
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: in Manton Man in theory. You know, you have the

1669
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: Joneses to run around with Tank Dell, you have Nico

1670
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: Collins or Stefan Diggs with Christian Gonzales, whatever third corner

1671
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: you use, Marco Wilson, Isaiah Bolden. Maybe you play on

1672
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: on Xavier Hutchinson, who's a nice player, but isn't you know,

1673
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, Yoshievs Alan Laza like that sort if.

1674
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna beat you, you know, if they're gonna beat you.

1675
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: Because Xavier Hutchinson is six catches for one hundred yards

1676
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: in touchdown, Yeah, you kind of just tip your cap

1677
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: at that, right.

1678
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: So Schultz is an interesting one. I do think there

1679
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 2: is a world that Marte Maphu is the guy because

1680
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: he covered tight ends a little bit last year when

1681
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: he played last year. Kyle Duggart could come back and

1682
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 2: be somebody that could get him At times. I'm still waiting.

1683
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the Zay Bolden.

1684
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, maybe this is where you

1685
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: put Isaiah Bolden on him.

1686
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 2: So Isaiah Bolden's been working a lot in practice at

1687
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: the nickel spot in the slot, playing more inside at

1688
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: like slot safety, if you want to call it that.

1689
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 2: I love that role for him, and I love that

1690
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: role in this offense or this defense. Excuse me, because

1691
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: of the types of offenses that they play. These offenses

1692
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 2: that they play really like to put the DB's in

1693
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 2: the run game, like they try to put those guys

1694
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: at the point of attack in the run game. If

1695
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 2: you have somebody like Isaiah Bolden, who we know is athletic,

1696
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 2: can tackle, you know, a good special teams player, good size.

1697
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: I do think that he can add an element that

1698
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: the Jones is just don't necessarily bring to the table.

1699
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 2: So if you bring him in, you have him cover

1700
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: the tight end, you have him play the nickels spot

1701
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: in the run game. You put Jonathan Jones on Tank

1702
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: Dell or Marcus Jones on tank Dell, and you play ball.

1703
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 7: Right.

1704
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 2: Because this team, this Houston team, is a big twelve

1705
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: personnel offense. They have the second highest rate of twelve

1706
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: personnel in the league. They do it though, with a

1707
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: lot of two back Like even though the guy's wearing

1708
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: a tight end number, he plays a lot in the backfield,

1709
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: And so that definitely gets in the way of some

1710
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: of these smaller corners, you know, like if they're gonna

1711
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 2: run outside zone off you're off the tackle with the

1712
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: lead blocker with the full back, then that's a really

1713
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: tough assignment for a Marcus Jones or a Jonathan Jones.

1714
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: So I look at Isaiah Bolden and I go back

1715
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 2: to some of the things that I was saying earlier

1716
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: about the coaching, and I really have picked a ton

1717
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 2: on Van Pelt. But I would say sort of the

1718
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: same thing to Covington and Mayo on the defensive side

1719
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: of the ball a little bit too, Like I just

1720
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: waiting to see something that it like wows me in

1721
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 2: terms of like personnel or scheme or whatever. Like if

1722
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: you're ramping up Isaiah Bolden to play a little bit

1723
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 2: on defense, like at some point you gotta unveil that, right, Like,

1724
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: at some point you got to bring that out. And

1725
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: I feel like they should have maybe thought about it

1726
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: against San Francisco. I thought they might because of how

1727
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 2: much heavy personnel San Francisco plays. This is another team

1728
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 2: that's in that Shanahan tree mold, that's gonna play a

1729
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: lot of heavy personnel, that's gonna want to run outside zone,

1730
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna want to throw the ball to the tight end, Like,

1731
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: let's try to get some beef in there. Let's try

1732
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: to get some size and not a linebacker type, like

1733
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 2: an actual cover player that can do it as well.

1734
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: And maybe that is Isaiah Bolden. But yeah, I like

1735
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: manning up against this team.

1736
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: I do.

1737
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: Eldra is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldrid?

1738
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 3: Hey?

1739
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. How are you? Eldred?

1740
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 3: All right? Heytory lap? Yet?

1741
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: No? No victory laps on this show. We never do that.

1742
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 3: Come on, now, come on, you got your boy? Did

1743
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: you take your victory leaf? Get?

1744
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 2: I did not, But you can take it for me

1745
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: if you want.

1746
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 3: I'll take mine. Dear time, y'all talk about DJ Stroup

1747
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: got two years ago, big dick, you know, propulization. If

1748
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 3: everybody's tapped me down. But I'm hoping everything plays better.

1749
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 3: I'll see what y'all were saying about about ro Set

1750
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: true enough, but I hope you hope to keep playing

1751
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 3: a little bit better. But then all was picked on

1752
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: the first game because you know we did Linst You're

1753
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: kind of missed up. But I'm hoping and I'll be

1754
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 3: watching the popcorm question is, do you think they could

1755
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: find an outside receiver besides trying to make a trade

1756
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 3: or whatever.

1757
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, Aldred, thanks for the call.

1758
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: It's definitely the biggest thing outside the offensive line. It's

1759
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: the biggest thing holding this offense back, I would say,

1760
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: is the lack of vertical stretch from the outside, Like

1761
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: they just don't have any that gets that threatens up

1762
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 2: the field right from the outside. They've played Jalen Polk

1763
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 2: a lot at the X, but that's just not his

1764
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: natural position. I don't think moving forward. I think ideally

1765
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 2: you have Jalen Polk and Pop Douglas as like the

1766
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: Z slots in this offense, and then you have a

1767
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 2: true X on the outside. Kaishan Boody has been getting

1768
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: those opportunities. I'm not a big Kashan Boody guy. Frankly,

1769
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 2: maybe it does come together for him moving forward. A

1770
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: couple good run blocks over the last few weeks, had

1771
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: a good catch on third down on a comeback route

1772
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 2: in the game against Miami, So maybe I need to

1773
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: give him some more credit. Obviously. The other hope is

1774
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: that it was gonna be Javon Baker, right, but that

1775
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened, So I don't know if it's an

1776
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: in house option to that. But I know next season offseason,

1777
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 2: if we're not gonna just be talking about receivers, we're

1778
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 2: gonna be talking specifically about outside receivers.

1779
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not gonna be doing slot guys, and I mean,

1780
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 1: you know any of that. It's it's gonna be big

1781
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: outside receivers. I was texting you about, you know, a

1782
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: couple guys in the draft. It was it this weekend

1783
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: last weekend. Yeah, And I'm not necessarily saying these guys

1784
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: are the specific answer. But if you're a Patriots fan,

1785
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: you want guys to watch Trey Harris from Ole, Miss.

1786
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the leading receiver in.

1787
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: The nation right now? Elick Elick, aoman or at Stanford

1788
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: has definitely got to watch Nick Anderson if he plays

1789
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: in Red River for Oklahoma. But it's I still think

1790
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: it's got to be a veteran. I still think it's

1791
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: got to be through trade. Still gonna keep talking about

1792
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, but they definitely need that kind of guy.

1793
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: Who's the kid from uh is it Colorado State?

1794
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: Tory Horty.

1795
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1796
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's gonna be an interesting one because he's

1797
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: been he's playing again, but he missed some time because

1798
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: he was hurt. He missed the Colorado games, he missed

1799
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, and he's now playing hurt, and so there's

1800
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: this question of is this who he really is?

1801
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: Is he hurt?

1802
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: The quarterback play hasn't been great, his stocks falling, But

1803
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get a lot of people that

1804
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: when he gets assuming he can kind of continues on

1805
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: this trend. I think you're gonna get a lot of

1806
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: people that, when we could get to the draft, are like, well,

1807
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: but go look at his twenty twenty three tape. Yeah right,

1808
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: we'll go look at like what, oh he was hurt.

1809
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: Oh the quarterback sucked. And there's gonna be a lot

1810
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 1: of people who kind of pointed him, I think for

1811
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: the Patriots and say, well, if you take the tackle

1812
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: in the first round, you take Tory Horton on Day two,

1813
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: you might get a steal there.

1814
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've liked what I've seen from him and the

1815
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: limited things that I've seen explosive, explosive guy. Yeah, he

1816
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 2: could definitely.

1817
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing this year, he doesn't look

1818
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: as explosed as explosive. But I think it was a

1819
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: hamstring injury. Exactly what the injury was. But you know,

1820
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: when he gets healthy, he's going to be a pretty

1821
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 1: pretty divisive player. Is groin injury.

1822
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: So there's guys like that, you know, I think of

1823
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 2: a guy like a teses walker, you know, with Drake

1824
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 2: May that is like a go ball artist, not necessarily contested,

1825
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: but just a go ball artist on the outside that

1826
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,440
Speaker 2: when when they get that press man on the backside

1827
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: and it's just a single high safety like Drake wants

1828
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: to take that shot and if they can just get him,

1829
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: somebody that can consistently win on that route, even if

1830
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 2: it's not like this big route tree, high volume guy,

1831
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 2: but it's just somebody that can win on that route.

1832
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: That's Trey Harris. Yeah, you're not gonna like Trey Harris

1833
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: because he's not I mean, he's fast, but he's not

1834
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: like fast. But the guy wins down the field. He

1835
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: only wins down the field. He doesn't really win anywhere else.

1836
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: He wins down the field great at the catch point,

1837
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: can get separation through the route because he's just big.

1838
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm interested. I'm gonna be interest to see what you

1839
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: think of trade. Okay, so let me ask you another

1840
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: is the guy I sent you his like draft network,

1841
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: just like the pros and cons last week?

1842
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: And I don't Okay, So let me let me ask

1843
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: you this because I don't. I don't know. You know,

1844
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: I haven't looked deep into in the board and all

1845
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff yet. So I will fully admit,

1846
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: because you know, there's one wide receiver every single year

1847
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: that I fall in love with and there's nothing you

1848
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 2: can do about it.

1849
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be Luther bur I don't know about

1850
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: two years ago.

1851
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 2: It was two years ago, it was a Flowers right.

1852
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: This past year it wasn't really on my radar as

1853
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 2: much because of the positions the Patriots were in. But

1854
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: I liked all three of those guys.

1855
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 1: You you were like in on Elik Neighbors, Well you were, yeah.

1856
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: Come on, it's like a Lamborghini.

1857
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 3: Like. No.

1858
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: I remember we had the conversation where because everybody was

1859
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: that Marvin Harrison and everybody else, it was close and

1860
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: you were saying it was close and you were.

1861
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Right tattooed is. When I saw him at at the

1862
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,600
Speaker 2: LSU Pro Day, I was like, that guy's different. Like

1863
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: that guy just is absolutely different and he has been different.

1864
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: So I think your whole take this because you're gonna

1865
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: have to watch some Ryan Williams in some I'm blanket

1866
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, you can't draft him for three years.

1867
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not gonna We're not. No, you're gonna be

1868
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: on the twenty twenty seven.

1869
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I think every time we talk

1870
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: about receivers this year, you're gonna end up just getting

1871
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: annoyed that they can't draft one of those guys.

1872
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's the cold. Get back to the point

1873
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: that we're trying to make the.

1874
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Colon mixed strategy. You draft Ryan Williams in the third

1875
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: round when nobody else thinks of it this year, and

1876
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 1: you tell Roger Goodell to deal with it.

1877
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Really smart strategy. That's it. Didn't the Celtics straft Larry

1878
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: Bird like the year before. Yeah. So, and again I

1879
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: haven't done any of my deep dives, but I'm telling you,

1880
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,879
Speaker 2: based off of what I've seen live, that Ted McMillan

1881
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: is going to be an absolute animal, Like that guy's

1882
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: going to be a problem in the league.

1883
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know where where I'm at with him.

1884
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: So my question to you isn't is he good? Because

1885
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: we all know he's My question to you is where

1886
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 2: right now is Teed McMillan projected to go in the draft?

1887
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 2: And is there a world where they walk away with

1888
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: a tackle and McMillan.

1889
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 1: Not one of the two guys we've been talking about,

1890
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: not Campbell.

1891
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: So this is not a scenario like, let's just play

1892
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 2: it out, and I hope this doesn't happen because I

1893
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: hope Drake May brings them on a what eleven game

1894
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: winning streak or something like that, But let's play it out.

1895
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 2: Let's say that they have a top three pick. Again,

1896
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: there's not a world where they could trade up from

1897
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 2: four back up into the first round and get a

1898
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: guy like they would have to do.

1899
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: What did Houston give up when they took Stroud and

1900
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Anderson back to back?

1901
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: Right? But they started at twelve from the Deshaun Watson picks. Okay,

1902
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: so I mean.

1903
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: Could they do it? I'm sure there's a price, but

1904
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about two top ten picks, essentially.

1905
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 2: So he's so he's gonna go in the top ten.

1906
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: It looks like he's gonna be the number especially because

1907
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: Luther Burden has not had a great year. Yeah, he's

1908
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna be the first receiver off the board. So do

1909
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: you think that, essentially, dude, we go ten picks without

1910
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: a receiver. If you want to do that, I'll give

1911
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: you a player to watch, Okay, Ariante Iris Ursery, I'm

1912
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: still kind of learning it. Arisery from Minnesota is a

1913
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 1: left tackle.

1914
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, heard the name.

1915
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: He's on the Freaks List. Yeah, he's six six three

1916
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: point thirty, moves incredibly well. Now he's not polished like

1917
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Campbell and Banks are polished. And if you were to

1918
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: do this, you're drafting like mcmill really good. But he's

1919
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I think he's twenty, he's twenty or twenty one. You're

1920
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: gonna have two really young raw players. Now, if it

1921
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: works out, Drake May's twenty two erases you, right, and

1922
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you really have this course.

1923
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: Sounds a little bit like the Green Bay Packers.

1924
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: If you want to do it, what I would say,

1925
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: watch some of Ursery and learn how to pronounce his name. Yeah,

1926
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: and it becomes do you trade down from three to

1927
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: maybe five or six. If the board sets up a

1928
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: certain way and the quarterback teams are there, take McMillan

1929
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: and then trade back up, or maybe you just get

1930
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: what you need in that deal, trade back up and

1931
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: take Ursery somewhere in the twenties. If you want McMillan

1932
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: in the tackle, you're gonna have to sacrifice the tackle.

1933
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,759
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to get Campbell or Banks.

1934
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: I do wonder, and we've got some ball left to play,

1935
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: so don't hold me to this. I do wonder if

1936
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some people when we get to that

1937
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: point that say I saw enough for Mersery. Let's let's

1938
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: have some fun with trades, and let's move around the

1939
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: board and see if we can end up with both

1940
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: of these guys.

1941
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: I just the two biggest things to me with receivers.

1942
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 2: And I texted you this morning about Keon Coleman. He

1943
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 2: was not having an awful rookie year, but he's not

1944
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 2: having a great rookie year either. And I felt the

1945
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 2: same way about Quentin Johnson two years ago, who's in

1946
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 2: the same boat. The two things that you need for receivers.

1947
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 2: You don't need elite speed, You don't need Tyreek kill speed,

1948
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 2: but you need to be able to run like it's

1949
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 2: a skill position, like you're not four to six to

1950
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: one for Keon Coleman is just not gonna cut it

1951
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 2: all right. The second thing that you need is that

1952
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: more of an eye test thing, I would say, which

1953
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: is like a looseness to your body, right, like you

1954
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 2: want to have a looseness or you know, an ability

1955
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: to sink your hips and get in and out of

1956
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 2: cuts and change directions. And it's not necessarily quickness. It's

1957
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 2: more like smoothness. And I actually think that Jalen Polk

1958
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: has this as a trade. He's not overly explosive, but

1959
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: he's smooth. I look at McMillan and I see the

1960
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: whole package. I see size, I see explosive, miss I

1961
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: see his ability to get in and out of the

1962
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 2: route like he. Drake London, I think is probably the

1963
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: fair comp for him.

1964
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know where I'm at, ceiling comp Yeah.

1965
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 2: I like to be fair. I don't like to compare

1966
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 2: guys to Hall of famers talking about Mike Kelly. Yeah,

1967
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: so I think Drake London is probably like the fair comparison,

1968
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 2: but with stable quarterback play which Drake London hasn't had.

1969
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,919
Speaker 2: He's probably a thousand yard receiver every single year out

1970
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 2: of the gate. Like he's at like eight hundred the

1971
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: first two years of his career with bad quarterback play.

1972
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: So that's not a by any means like selling it short,

1973
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 2: like that's a walking onto the field and you're a

1974
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver. I'm really really high on him so far.

1975
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: So the big thing for him with me, he's had

1976
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: some games where he's just disappeared. Yeah, and it's going

1977
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:53,480
Speaker 1: to be about consistency and with young players that sometimes

1978
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: what happens Like young guys, it takes them all to

1979
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: be consistent. But it's it's I want to be careful.

1980
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: I say this when I say mental stuff, like I

1981
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: think the kid from everything I read about him, like

1982
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: cares about football, cares about all that. It's just the

1983
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: ability to walk in for sixty minutes week in and

1984
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: week out that's going to have to get there. I'll

1985
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: tell you this though. So they have BYU this week,

1986
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: who's a good team, and that'll be interesting. And that's

1987
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: at BYU next week. Arizona Colorado. McMillan was the one

1988
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: guy that really had success against Travis Hunter last year

1989
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,759
Speaker 1: that this game is Travis Hunter.

1990
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and it's for the draft.

1991
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: It yeah, it's also Ted McMillan super Bowl because it's

1992
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. It's this is one he's not playing Michigan.

1993
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: So we have a long flight next week in London.

1994
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: This is one that I might actually watch in season

1995
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: for you.

1996
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: How do you how do you like?

1997
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 3: Well?

1998
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: How do you like them?

1999
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: But it's on Saturday.

2000
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 2: That's a big bummer. Okay, maybe I can watch it

2001
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: on Sunday on the way back from the game.

2002
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: See I yeah, okay, I'll tell you what you want

2003
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: one to watch on the flight? Yeah, I gotta.

2004
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Find nothing to do for hours, so I just problem.

2005
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 1: I know, well learn you want to learn a little

2006
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: bit to back up your take last week or sorry,

2007
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: two weeks ago Michigan Minnesota, two good edge rushers against

2008
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: airs and maybe you watch them when you say you

2009
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: know what here we and then you watch you watch

2010
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: that on the flight there? Yeah, maybe you like what

2011
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: you see from Ariante flight back Teed McMillan all over

2012
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: Travis Hyder to take and now you have the take

2013
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: and you have the information to back it up. So

2014
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: there's your homework Minnesota, Michigan from two weeks ago.

2015
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Good game too.

2016
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Good game.

2017
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, give the the raw tackle to Scotty p Get

2018
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 2: him in the strike system, get him in the program.

2019
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,799
Speaker 2: He'll be fine, right.

2020
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you you watch him, you tell me this

2021
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: is this is where you come in. I tell you

2022
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: who's on the board. I tell you the generalities of

2023
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: the player. You put the nuts and bolts together.

2024
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: All right, Melvin is in Tennessee. What's up, Melviny? What's upright?

2025
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 5: I had a general question. I know I watched Jade

2026
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 5: Daies a lot since our uh sis on my fantasy game,

2027
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 5: But when I'm watching, of course our offense, I don't

2028
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 5: see a lot of like people flashing open uh fast.

2029
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 5: I know, I mean you just talked about it, but

2030
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 5: like the outlet routes and people like that that I

2031
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 5: can you can particularly see that's the open fast, especially

2032
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 5: since our line situation is what it is. So I'm

2033
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 5: looking for this app to really as this is, we're

2034
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 5: making this change, to really have something when he's making

2035
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 5: these play calls, to have some body to the indies

2036
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 5: places like able to you know, Drake Macon get the

2037
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 5: ball too fast. So since I haven't like looked too

2038
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 5: much into like the All twenty two version of it

2039
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Are you seeing anybody Evan that

2040
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 5: within these plays that could be an outlet to get

2041
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 5: the ball out fast too, if you know, should be

2042
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 5: one of his first reads. Yeah with Jakobe.

2043
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's a good question, Melvin. Thanks for the call.

2044
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let you go and I'll answer it. Yeah.

2045
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing. The two biggest guys to

2046
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 2: me and that when I hear that are Pop Douglas

2047
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 2: who can get open quick over the middle of the

2048
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 2: field and be that sort of quick hitting route type

2049
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,839
Speaker 2: of guy. And I still feel like they haven't completely

2050
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 2: maximized the backs out of the backfield fully, especially Antonio Gibson,

2051
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 2: who I think is one of the few players that

2052
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: they have on offense that can actually, you know, create

2053
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 2: an explosive play like, has like some dynamic movement ability.

2054
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 2: So when it comes to outlets like I would love

2055
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: to see some of those matchups be used a little

2056
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 2: bit more, especially when they get man to man coverage.

2057
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Like I understand that their line hasn't necessarily been great,

2058
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: but you know, try to run a pick play into

2059
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: the flat for one of the backs, or try to

2060
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 2: run them on a wheel or an angle or like

2061
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 2: something over the middle of the field that can get

2062
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 2: them out of the backfield. And if teams are gonna

2063
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 2: put five or six guys on the line of scrimmage,

2064
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: then run an angle route over the middle of the

2065
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 2: field where the linebacker has to react to Texas. Yeah,

2066
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 2: a little Texas route. Have him react to it, right,

2067
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 2: because now he's dropping out of the rush to try

2068
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 2: to cover the guy. Maybe you get him out of position,

2069
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 2: maybe you get him off guard. Maybe it's the edge

2070
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 2: guy that's actually responsible. And now you have the angle.

2071
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: You know, you have the leverage she created in the

2072
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 2: middle of the field. Those are the little things that

2073
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm hoping is more in this offense, especially with Drake,

2074
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 2: because he likes to throw the middle of the field.

2075
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 2: He's got the arm for it, and he's got the

2076
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 2: eyes for it, and he'll get the ball out quickly

2077
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 2: into those windows if he can.

2078
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I'll just add one more player to that list, and

2079
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have a massive exit and no reason

2080
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: to back this up. It's just kind of a football idiom, right,

2081
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: veteran tight end for a young quarterback. Yeah, Hunter, Henry

2082
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: safety blanket.

2083
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one. Let's take Todd. What's up Todd?

2084
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you keep saying that you want to throw

2085
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 7: the pistol and stuff. Can you kind of describe what

2086
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 7: the pistol is and maybe other sets or formations that

2087
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 7: would really help Drake when he's starting, because I know

2088
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 7: you guys said that they need to tailor the offense

2089
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 7: for him, So I just want to kind get a

2090
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 7: better idea of what exactly.

2091
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: That would look like.

2092
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Todd. I'll talk pistol all day, so

2093
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:09,839
Speaker 2: I'll take that opportunity. So the pistol is the quarterback.

2094
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: This is what everybody who saw the clip last week

2095
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: was turning in for. This is what they knew there,

2096
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: what they thought they were getting.

2097
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: The pistol is the quarterbacks in the gun. Okay, so

2098
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: he's not under center, he's back. He's in the gun.

2099
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: But instead of the running back being offset to his

2100
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 2: left or to his right, the running back is directly

2101
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 2: behind him in the pistol.

2102
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: Isn't the quarterback like a little further up than he

2103
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: would be.

2104
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 2: And maybe slightly yeah? Uh, And he's directly behind him

2105
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 2: in the pistol. So what it adds is gaps on

2106
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage because the back the easiest, the

2107
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 2: simplest way to put it. The back can still go

2108
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 2: both ways right so he can still go to the left,

2109
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 2: or he can still go to the right, whereas when

2110
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 2: he's off set usually you only go the opposite way.

2111
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 2: So if he's offset right, you're running left. If he's

2112
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 2: offset left, you're running right. So in the pistol it

2113
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:00,560
Speaker 2: allows you to have that opportunity need to run the

2114
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 2: back both ways. The other thing that it allows for

2115
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: is that the quarterback on play action can still turn

2116
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 2: his back to the defense because he has to turn

2117
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 2: around and hand the ball to the running back, so

2118
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 2: he can still turn the back to the defense, which

2119
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 2: helps you sell play actions. So now it's not gun action,

2120
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 2: it's pistol action. So you still have the quarterback in

2121
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 2: that whole mechanics of we're turning my back to the defense,

2122
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: we're hiding the ball, we're making you think it's run.

2123
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 2: That whole element still exists. So if you want to

2124
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 2: see what it looks like in practice, like actually go

2125
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 2: watch it on tape. Go watch the Miami Dolphins with

2126
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 2: Tua they run pistol at a league high rate. They

2127
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 2: always have under McDaniel. McDaniel has taken the Kyle Shanahan

2128
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Speaker 2: run game and he's adapted it to the pistol because

2129
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 2: Tua is more comfortable operating in the pistol than he

2130
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 2: is under center too. His short right so like he

2131
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 2: doesn't see over the line very well, so they have

2132
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 2: him running out of the pistol instead of running out

2133
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 2: of under center, which allows them still to run, stretch

2134
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 2: and run bootleg and all that kind of stuff. So

2135
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 2: it's a way, especially for quarterbacks that are either not

2136
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: comfortable running from under center, or in Drake's case, a

2137
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: quarterback that's not experienced running from under center, it's a

2138
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 2: way for them to still run those mechanics of being

2139
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 2: under center without actually being under center. I know that

2140
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 2: was a lot. Is the best way I could do it,

2141
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's the main thing. So you're still adding

2142
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 2: the same amount of gaps on the line of scrimmages

2143
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 2: as you would under center, which is big. Now, final

2144
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: thing with the pistol not to get everybody to and confused,

2145
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 2: not keep going. The final thing that's really good about

2146
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: the pistol is the option run game. So you can

2147
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 2: run quarterback design, quarterback option, whether it's RPO, zone read,

2148
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, you run it out of

2149
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 2: the pistol. That again allows for everybody to go in

2150
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: two different directions. So now think about it from a

2151
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: defensive perspective, you are dealing with a lot of conflict, Like,

2152
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of problems that that's presenting to the defense.

2153
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 2: So Miami Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, big pistol team. If

2154
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 2: you want to look at a team that's like not

2155
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 2: a great offense that does it, the Tennessee Titans run

2156
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 2: a lot of pistol with Will Levis and Brian Callahan

2157
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: down there with the Titans. Atlanta has notoriously been a

2158
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 2: very heavy pistol team and their offense was Zach Robinson. Now,

2159
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 2: so there are teams that the pistol's back. The pistol's back,

2160
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: it's in vogue, it's going nuts. Everybody loves the pistols.

2161
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: Whatever happens in college football hits the NFL five ten

2162
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: years later.

2163
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm a big fan, as you can tell.

2164
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 2: The main other thing, Drake May ran a ton of

2165
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 2: pistol at North Carolina, So they ran a lot of

2166
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 2: pro style concept out of the pistol at North Carolina.

2167
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 2: So that's a nice way to kind of compromise from Yeah,

2168
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: we want our offense to run a lot of under

2169
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: center concepts, but our quarterback is not very comfortable doing it.

2170
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 2: So here's here's a compromise that that's what I if

2171
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 2: they did, like I said earlier, if they do that,

2172
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 2: then it's I'm going to be on the moon. I'm

2173
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 2: going to be out of this earth, out of this

2174
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: entire world. So that that's a big one I'm looking for. Okay,

2175
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 2: we're going to take one last call, and there's a

2176
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: couple of emails and your your little game that I

2177
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 2: want to get to as well. Eric is in San Francisco.

2178
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 2: What's that Eric? Hey?

2179
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:22,759
Speaker 4: How's it going? Guys?

2180
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: Hey?

2181
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 4: I had a question. I know, like Alex Van Pelt's

2182
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 4: play calling has been brought into question kind of more

2183
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 4: and more over the past few weeks. I'm just wondering,

2184
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 4: this is not my sport. I actually work in professional basketball,

2185
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 4: so I've been trying to translate a bunch of this,

2186
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 4: like how hard is it to call plays effectively when

2187
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 4: you're not necessarily confident in your personel's ability to execute

2188
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 4: those plays. That's that's what I've been trying to stuff out, right,

2189
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 4: how much of it is on sequencing, but how much

2190
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 4: pressure is brought to bear because he doesn't actually know

2191
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 4: whether or not his players will reliably execute what he

2192
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 4: wants to call. So I'll thank you for the time

2193
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 4: and I'll take the answer.

2194
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Thanks, Eric. Yeah, I think that that's a fair point.

2195
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, there's definitely the school of thought that he's

2196
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 2: searching for answers, right, Like, you know, we're trying to

2197
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 2: run something that works here and they're searching for answers. Look,

2198
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,839
Speaker 2: every coach is always going to blame it on execution,

2199
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 2: and every player is always going to blame it on

2200
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 2: the coach. Like that's that's just sort of how it works.

2201
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 2: Like when he gets up there. You know, today I

2202
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 2: thought he was valid in saying, well, you know, everybody's

2203
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 2: kind of picking on my play calls. At the end

2204
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 2: of the first half, you know, we had two opportunities

2205
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 2: with the guys open to maybe move the ball off

2206
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 2: of second and three, and we just didn't hit the

2207
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 2: throws or he didn't win on the route, I think

2208
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 2: is what he said about second down and on third

2209
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 2: down he said he didn't hit the throw. So those

2210
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 2: are execution based errors in their mind, not play calling errors.

2211
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 2: We would probably counter with, well, your players in a

2212
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 2: position to succeed, right, you know.

2213
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, okay, so he doesn't trust personally,

2214
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best personality. You have an eighteen million

2215
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: dollar guard, yep. You have a running back you just paid,

2216
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: You have a tight end that's a captain, Like, there

2217
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: are guys you have that you can trust, and he

2218
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: involved and is he doing the most to get those

2219
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,719
Speaker 1: guys involved? I don't think that's been the case.

2220
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple more emails and then we're going to

2221
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 2: get to your your was it first career? Start with

2222
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 2: the Patriots? Right? I like it? So I can't find

2223
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 2: the exact email, but it was a point that I

2224
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 2: wanted to hit on. Somebody emailed in and said, do

2225
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 2: we expect Drake may to be able to improvise or

2226
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: do we think that Alex van Pelt in this offense

2227
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 2: is going to ask him to really stay in the pocket.

2228
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 2: And for lack of a better tournament to other people

2229
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 2: like to put it, play quarterback right instead of playing

2230
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 2: off script. I would just say that I maybe em

2231
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 2: in a minority here with this opinion. I know that

2232
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: I could care less how we get from point A

2233
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 2: to point B. I could care less if he's running

2234
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 2: for first downs, if he's off script magic on third

2235
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: down to get the first down, or if he's hitting

2236
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 2: an in rhythm dig route, I could really care less. Like,

2237
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 2: I honestly could not care less. I don't think it

2238
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 2: that's surprising for you, because you know my infatuation with

2239
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 2: certain quarterbacks that play that way, So it just doesn't

2240
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 2: really matter to me that much. But I would not

2241
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 2: want to see training wheels on Drake Many.

2242
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, don't box the kid in too much,

2243
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: and like he can't turn the ball over left and

2244
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 1: right right. If he's making bad decisions, tell him. But

2245
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: I also don't think you want to limit the tools

2246
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: at his disposal either. You want to let him do

2247
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: like that's part of the reason he was such a

2248
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: high pick, because his ability to do that stuff. If

2249
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna put him out there and not let him

2250
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 1: do that, what's the point. Just stick with Jacob was.

2251
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 2: Said, Yeah, I understand too that certain people will say, well,

2252
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 2: that's a lot to put on him to like all

2253
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 2: of a sudden, make everything work because he's doing all

2254
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 2: of it on his own. He drafted him third over,

2255
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 2: but that's the point, Like, that's why you drafted him.

2256
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 1: You're putting more on him if you tell him not

2257
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: to improvise. Yeah, let him do what comes naturally to him.

2258
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:06,879
Speaker 1: That's allowing him to succeed.

2259
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. It just feels to me like when you watch

2260
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: his film at North Carolina, when you watch him in

2261
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 2: the preseason and the mop up duty stuff against the Jets,

2262
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: it almost settles him down when he makes a play

2263
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 2: like that, because that's that's him, right, Like that's him

2264
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 2: making the play. So like when he picked up the

2265
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 2: fourth down with his legs against the Jets, he hit

2266
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 2: a couple throws after that, it felt like, it's said,

2267
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 2: he like kind of got his breath there a little

2268
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 2: and he was like, Okay, I made a play. We're good, right.

2269
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 2: You know when he plays at North Carolina, you see

2270
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 2: that too at times where you know he'll he'll hit

2271
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,879
Speaker 2: a throw on the move or he'll scramble or whatever,

2272
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 2: and then like all of a sudden, good things will

2273
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 2: start to happen from there. I think the same thing

2274
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,080
Speaker 2: is true for like Mahomes and Allen, Like, I feel

2275
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 2: like a lot of the time where it's almost you know,

2276
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 2: sometimes when they're not having like their best game, it's

2277
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 2: like a big scramble or it's a big improvised play

2278
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 2: something along those lines that gets them going. So I

2279
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 2: definitely wouldn't hold him back from that one bit. There

2280
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 2: was another email here. There's a little game before we

2281
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 2: play your game, all right. This is from David in Madrid.

2282
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,560
Speaker 2: He's a big time listener of ours. I wanted to

2283
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 2: shout him out and I read his email here. So

2284
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 2: he says that he wants to play a game with

2285
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 2: a few positions on the roster, and we have to

2286
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 2: choose if it's easier, you know, better, easier, whichever way

2287
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 2: you want to put it to address this next offseason

2288
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 2: through the draft or through through free agency, slash trade,

2289
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 2: slash trade. I was going to say better in market

2290
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: or the draft. Yeah yeah, okay, Edge, Edge Rusher.

2291
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a really thin free agency.

2292
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 2: Class, right, yeah, it's usually not great, and it's.

2293
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: A decent draft class. I'm gonna say draft.

2294
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say draft for Edge as well. I

2295
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 2: feel it's a pretty deep edge class from everything that

2296
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 2: I've heard in the draft. So maybe a Day two

2297
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 2: guy becomes like a Jennings Zuche, you know, tight for

2298
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 2: you cool at that. He So these are his positions

2299
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 2: of need, not necessarily in order. But middle linebacker.

2300
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna say free agency or trade. There's just

2301
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 1: not a lot of good Harold Perkins from LSU's a stud,

2302
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: but he's gonna go in the first round. Outside of him,

2303
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't think this is an amazing linebacker. D I

2304
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 1: haven't done no work on linebackers, but very initial take.

2305
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Okay. He also just I don't want David to get

2306
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 2: to get crapped on. He's saying that he understands left

2307
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: tackle is probably gonna be the first round draft.

2308
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,679
Speaker 1: Draft draft, draft, draft, draft, draft, both tackles, draft, draft.

2309
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 2: Draft, center. I'm a draft the center guy.

2310
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 1: I it might be easier, it would be easier to

2311
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 1: get an immediate impact player in free agency. But assuming

2312
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 1: David Andrews is gonna come back next year, which he

2313
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: says is his plan, yeah, you can get a guy

2314
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: fourth fifth round, developmental player, sit him for a year,

2315
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 1: ease him in. It makes more sense in the draft.

2316
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me, that's a Day three pick on

2317
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 2: the draft if you really really like a UDFA. I

2318
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 2: mean they I thought that they like Charles Turner that

2319
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 2: one didn't work out, but like maybe it's along those

2320
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 2: same lines.

2321
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 1: I think this is a decent center class.

2322
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,080
Speaker 2: Yea, you know, the David Andrews undrafted guy, Like, yeah,

2323
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 2: you know, there's ways to find centers later on in

2324
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 2: the draft X receiver.

2325
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 1: Free agency trade trade really not free agency trade.

2326
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 2: You're not You're so are you out on T Higgins

2327
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 2: because it seems like you're a little out on T Higgins.

2328
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: I would take I wouldn't be upset if they added

2329
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 1: T Higgins, but I just don't think he is the

2330
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: same ceiling as some of these other guys.

2331
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he came Metcalf's leaving Seattle, but

2332
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 2: we'll see.

2333
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: So you would take if it was if it was

2334
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty one and I said ty Tyreek Hill

2335
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 1: might leave Kansas City, you would have called me a lunatic.

2336
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 2: That's true, So fair enough.

2337
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 1: That's the thing with these guys. You never know.

2338
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, free safety.

2339
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: Veteran, the safety playing college is weird right now. It's

2340
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 1: just all boxed safeties.

2341
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I because they're all quarters based defenses.

2342
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: There might be a free free safety in this draft.

2343
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: I know there's actually two really good free safeties in

2344
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: next year's class. So if you can get a bridge guy, great,

2345
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: But I know that this also might not be a

2346
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 1: super popular opinion in terms of their team building.

2347
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel to me as though they look

2348
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 2: at safety the same way as some people on the

2349
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 2: outside look at safety. I think they, well, I should prefaces.

2350
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 2: We don't know what Jabriel's Preppers's situation is moving forward,

2351
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 2: so there's that factor. And by the way, I just

2352
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 2: want to like what Geradmeo said the other day is

2353
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 2: exactly what I always say. Just put that there free

2354
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 2: safety if they have Peppers, and it's a delicate situation,

2355
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 2: so that's why I'm kind of like trying to be

2356
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 2: delicate about it. If they have Peppers and Dugger together,

2357
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 2: then I think they feel really good about that being

2358
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 2: their starting safety tandem, even though neither one of them

2359
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 2: is like a true you know, Devin mccordy center fielder.

2360
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that they look at that as

2361
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: like a major need. If they have both those guys

2362
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: in the mix. I actually think they really like the

2363
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 2: way it's put together right now with Jalen Hawkins as

2364
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 2: like the third guy. Yeah, so I don't necessarily look

2365
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 2: at that one as a screaming need. All right, let's

2366
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 2: get to let's wrap it up with Drake may Well.

2367
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 1: This is kind of the take I had earlier Evan,

2368
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,639
Speaker 1: which was, like, my expectations aren't super high for Drake

2369
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: may on Sunday. YEP, still think he absolutely can be

2370
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,760
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise. But you look at just

2371
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: real quick for context, Caleb William's debut fourteen to twenty

2372
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: nine to ninety three yards, two picks, jayde and Daniels

2373
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty four, one hundred and eighty four yards,

2374
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: no touchdowns, no picks, did have two rushing touchdowns. Bo

2375
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Nicks twenty six to forty two, one thirty eight no touchdowns,

2376
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: two picks did have a rushing touchdown.

2377
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: So it was kind of bad.

2378
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: Obviously, these are guys that you know, are now being

2379
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: talked about very highly. There is some growth that comes

2380
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: with it, and so I went back and obviously, you know,

2381
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks, different errors, but it's like, all right, yeah,

2382
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: what did other Patriots quarterbacks do in their debuts like

2383
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: it's the expectation. So I'm obviously it goes more than

2384
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: the stat line. We're gonna have to break down the film,

2385
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna give you the stat line. You

2386
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: react to what you think your takeaway would be if

2387
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: that was Drake's first game.

2388
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

2389
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 1: And then you try to guess who the quarterback is.

2390
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I'll start you off with the kind of an easy

2391
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,799
Speaker 1: one eleven and nineteen, one hundred three yards, rush touchdown,

2392
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown.

2393
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 2: Are you gonna tell me who it is?

2394
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: No, you gotta guess. That's part of the game.

2395
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 2: Oh, I had to guess, and this is Patriots quarterbacks.

2396
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and this is Cam Newton's debut. He threw

2397
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: for like four hundred yards. I tweeted this out and

2398
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:30,880
Speaker 1: people got mad at me. I didn't talk about Cam Newton.

2399
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's Patriots debut. He'd been in the NFL for

2400
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: a decade, right, this is NFL debut with the Patriots.

2401
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Reading the stat line again, eleven and nineteen, Yeah, one

2402
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 1: hundred three yards, no touchdowns, no picks, rushing touchdown, koy

2403
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 1: we said yes, yeah. Ironically against the Houston Texas the

2404
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: Houston Texas. Yeah, so if Drake completes, you know, about

2405
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: fifty percent of his passes one hundred yards runs went in,

2406
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over, how do you feel?

2407
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 2: Did they win twenty seven to nothing like they did?

2408
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 1: Then we're just talking about his performance. Honestly, I think

2409
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 1: the outcome is irreleve like the final score, Like, unless

2410
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: he gets a two minute triil, we evaluate him there

2411
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: like how does he do?

2412
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 2: But sure I would be a little underwhelming with that,

2413
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 2: only because part of the reason why they're making the

2414
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 2: switch is to add more to the passing game, and

2415
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 2: that's that's more of the same with the passing game,

2416
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 2: all right.

2417
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: You're also gonna notice the theme here that first game

2418
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:25,879
Speaker 1: production hardly indicative of what the player becomes. Yep, fourteen

2419
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:29,639
Speaker 1: to thirty four yea one hundred and seventy three yards touchdown, throws,

2420
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: two picks drew butsoe nope.

2421
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Queterback for the pack. Jesus you know I'm not that

2422
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 2: old Steve Grogan.

2423
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, how you feel fourteen to thirty four, hundred

2424
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 1: and seventy three yards, touchdown, two picks.

2425
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 2: I actually think that's pretty realistic because of nine for

2426
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: thirty last last week for Josh Allen against his defense.

2427
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 2: Two picks is tough. I'm probably still a little down

2428
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 2: on that performance.

2429
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: So I'll give you the one. This. This is the guy.

2430
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 1: Like when I look at all these stat lines, when

2431
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 1: I put in and you can read this, I wrote about

2432
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: this this morning at ninety five Sports of dot com,

2433
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 1: and I look at all these stat lines, this is

2434
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: the one that I think will end up being the

2435
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 1: closest to what Drake Maye does.

2436
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

2437
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 1: Fourteen to thirty, Yeah, one hundred forty eight yards, two

2438
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: touchdowns and a pick. Scott's oak no two bludsoe. Yes, Okay,

2439
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 1: I knew it was Bloodze knew it was one of

2440
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: those two they lost to the Bills. Fourteen like right

2441
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: around fifty percent, not two hundred yards, but maybe gets close.

2442
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I think he does throw a couple touchdowns, but there's

2443
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be a turnover in there, like

2444
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna turn the ball over. How'd you feel about

2445
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: that stat.

2446
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 2: Line to me again?

2447
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: Fourteen to thirty, one hundred forty eight yards, two touchdowns

2448
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: and a pick.

2449
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be okay with that. I know it's like pretty.

2450
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 2: The stat line is just could be deceiving. Yeah, I

2451
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 2: think that that would be okay?

2452
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,720
Speaker 1: All right? Uh twenty four to thirty three, Yeah, two

2453
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four yards one touchdown.

2454
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Mac Jones Nope. Scott's Olac Nope, not no. I know

2455
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 2: one of them is Zoe.

2456
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 1: What we haven't done Zoe yet. I'm gonna get you

2457
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 1: keep guessing Zoe. So I'm like, a right, I'll do

2458
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Zoe later. More modern, Brady, Nope. Jimmy garoppolo, Jimmy g

2459
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Twenty four to thirty three.

2460
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Took me seven to one on that one.

2461
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Twenty four thirty three, two sixty four in a touchdown.

2462
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy was great.

2463
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: If he shows up like Jimmy and Arizona, now he's

2464
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: then got to make it through the next week and

2465
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: stay healthy.

2466
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 2: But if you remember Jimmy, the next week in the

2467
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 2: first half was like had like three tundies.

2468
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took the most unnecessary and that was it.

2469
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: All right, A couple more twenty twenty nine to sixty one,

2470
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and a pick.

2471
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: Mac Jones Nope, God damn we already did Jimmy right, Brady, Nope,

2472
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 2: you're really throwing me off.

2473
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,879
Speaker 1: Now you kept you kept guessing him. Zoe, Zoe, Zoe. Arguably,

2474
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 1: Zoe had one of the best debuts for a Patriots

2475
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 1: quarterback ever.

2476
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 2: Zoe had swagman. Zoe's out there ripping it on the road.

2477
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: Beats the Colts twenty twenty nine, sixty one, two touchdowns

2478
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: and a picks. Like, realistically, obviously that Jimmy stat line's great, Like,

2479
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: this is a realistic high end for me for Drake Man.

2480
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:08,879
Speaker 2: Two hundred and sixty nine yards.

2481
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 1: To sixty one sixty one twenty twenty nine, two sixty one,

2482
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 1: two touchdowns.

2483
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be yeah, that would be great, all right.

2484
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Six a a couple more, Six of fifteen, two hundred

2485
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 1: and seventeen yards, two touchdowns and a pick.

2486
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, No, you're.

2487
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 1: Not gonna guess who this is, Rohan David, Nope. I

2488
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 1: don't think we're Hondavers starting Patriots. It's the first round pick.

2489
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 1: It's a first round pick. Yeah, Jim Plunkett, Yes, oh

2490
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,879
Speaker 1: my god. Six for fifteen one twenty seven, two touchdowns

2491
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 1: and a pick.

2492
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Do you know how many people have called in that

2493
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 2: are like older Patriots fans and been like doing the

2494
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 2: same thing. They Jim included here.

2495
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: That would be I could that would be wild because

2496
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: he threw two touchdowns. But al right, two more, twenty

2497
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: nine of thirty nine, two hundred and eighty one yards

2498
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 1: in a touchdown the goat.

2499
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 2: That's got to be brave.

2500
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 1: Nope, twenty nine to thirty nine.

2501
01:57:58,400 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 2: And this is my point.

2502
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: This my point, it's not indicative. Twenty nine to thirty nine,

2503
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: two hity one in the touchdown before you guess who

2504
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 1: it is. If that's Drake May's statline, twenty nine to

2505
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 1: thirty nine, two eighty one touchdown, no turnovers, how are

2506
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 1: you feeling?

2507
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 2: Feeling pretty good?

2508
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: As people doing backflips down Route one? Mac Jones Mac Jones,

2509
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 1: so a backflips down Root one for mac Jones' debut.

2510
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 2: So I didn't know exactly what his stats were, clearly

2511
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 2: because I just guessed wrong. I didn't know exactly what

2512
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 2: his stats were. But what I did remember from that

2513
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 2: game was that Mac Jones in that game had four

2514
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 2: or five really good balls, like really really high level throws.

2515
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 2: And they didn't win the game, right, they lost to Miami.

2516
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 2: I believe it.

2517
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 1: David Harris fumbled Yah.

2518
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2519
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Week one, seventeen sixteen, they.

2520
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 2: Didn't win the game. They only scored sixteen points. It

2521
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 2: wasn't like he let the world on fire. But we

2522
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 2: came out of that game with like four or five

2523
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 2: throws where we were like, these were real deal quarterback throw,

2524
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, franchise quarterback type plays. So just because maybe

2525
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 2: it's in my time covering the team, so I remember

2526
01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 2: it the best. But Jimmy g in Arizona is another

2527
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 2: really good example of the of like a peek to me. Yeah,

2528
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 2: but Mac Jones in that game feels somewhat realistic that

2529
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 2: he makes like four or five really good plays, but

2530
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 2: they end up losing a close one, and like the

2531
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 2: production isn't honestly isn't all that much better. But you

2532
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 2: just come away from the game feeling really good about

2533
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

2534
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 1: And this is kind of my point this. You're not

2535
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:26,760
Speaker 1: looking for the overall performance. You're looking for individual things

2536
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,280
Speaker 1: you can hang your hat on. All right, last one,

2537
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 1: well we know who this is now, Well, all right,

2538
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 1: so just tell me how you would feel, tell me

2539
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say, what your opening take is gonna

2540
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: be next week? If this is Drake May's first game

2541
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty three hundred and sixty eight yards, no touchdowns.

2542
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 2: No picks, not great. No, And I'm assuming that's Brett

2543
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 2: tom Brady.

2544
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 1: They won forty four to thirteen with.

2545
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:50,200
Speaker 2: That that that line. That's because he's the goat.

2546
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: No, it's because Antoine Smith. Now they had the game of.

2547
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 2: His defense had to play in the defense game and

2548
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, the defense of the day light in the box.

2549
01:59:57,640 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Because Brady was out there, they knew he could sling

2550
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 2: it and they you know, the whole thing because Tylaw

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Speaker 2: Otis Smith. I think Terrell pick in that game they got.

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Speaker 2: I was Peyton man I was a big Otis Smith, Truther.

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02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 2: Otis Smith is a big part of that team.

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Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right. And obviously Antoine Smith ran all

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Speaker 1: over that coldseam. I think Bruskie had a pick in

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02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: that game. Dude. They they tortured Peyton Manning in that game.

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02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 1: So I got a look. But like so you get

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Speaker 1: kind of the point of the experiment there, which is.

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Speaker 2: Not nobody great, like nobody over three hundred yards or I.

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Speaker 1: Think so had the or Jimmy had the most. Antoine

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Speaker 1: Smith ran twenty two times for ninety four yards and

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns. They got picks from Roman fifer Otis Smith, Tylaw.

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Speaker 2: Roman is another one of those, like underrated Patriot guys.

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02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 1: And Bobby Hamilton, Ridick Parker and Anthony Pleasant all had sacks.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, uh and Roman Forced the Roman day

2566
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 2: was underrated. Good player, good football player. But anyway, so

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Speaker 2: Brady obviously, probably Jimmy g against Arizona is the peak. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: out of all those, I'm sorry Zoe, no, no offense

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Speaker 2: to Zoe. Zoe played great too. I saw some of

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02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 2: the highlights. Somebody posted them from the Sports up.

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02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,320
Speaker 1: Those are the only two over Oh, Mac Jones are

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02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 1: the only three over torty yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in my time covering the team, because I

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02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:19,720
Speaker 2: wasn't here yet for Jimmy either my time covering the team,

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02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 2: I know, it's only been a couple you know. It's

2576
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 2: like mac Jones and Bailey Zappi basically, but Mac Jones's

2577
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Speaker 2: debut against Miami. Like I said earlier, there are four

2578
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 2: or five throws that will post on Twitter, and we'll

2579
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:33,440
Speaker 2: go all around the world that everybody, Oh my god,

2580
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 2: look at you. A great throw here by Drake May.

2581
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 2: But we'll probably get on the show on Tuesday and

2582
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 2: Paul Pirillo will tell me well, they only scored sixteen points,

2583
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 2: Like it really wasn't great. They scored sixteen points in

2584
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 2: Week one again Cincinnati two, right, you know, and that

2585
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So I I'm all for that, though,

2586
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 2: Just show me some flashes, Just show me some promise.

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Speaker 1: So you don't want the thirteen win with thirteen completions.

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02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll take it, but is that going to happen?

2589
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, what happens next? Happens again? Then I'll take that

2590
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: all day.

2591
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 2: Like you like to say, is City Sweeney going to

2592
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 2: show up to your house tonight or are we going

2593
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,960
Speaker 2: to be on all right realistic here? Which one are

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Speaker 2: we going with?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: All right? That does it here? As you can tell,

2597
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,560
Speaker 2: we're excited here for Drake May's debut, and Alex and

2598
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,960
Speaker 2: I will both be at the game on Sunday. We'll

2599
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,280
Speaker 2: be back next Thursday, same time, same place to break

2600
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Speaker 2: down Drake May's first start in the NFL. Actually it

2601
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 2: might not. We have to check on the time because

2602
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to London, so we'll have to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: But I do think we're taking the Red Eye on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night, so we might be able to still leave

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Speaker 2: the show here. But I don't know that for a fact.

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