Speaker 1: This is a win. Whatever happens tomorrow. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: like it's going to be anything, but another day like
Speaker 1: this and a good play is going to win the
Speaker 1: usg I need to win every now and then put
Speaker 1: another log on the fire. Nobody hears given time. All right,
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to another Fire Drill Podcasts. It
Speaker 1: is late Saturday evening here at the country club. We
Speaker 1: decided to get a jump on things, so the leaders
Speaker 1: are playing their final few holes. It has been a
Speaker 1: war of attrition. The wind came in, the temperature dropped.
Speaker 1: I think it's been an absolutely riveting day of golf. Ryan,
Speaker 1: you were out there watching. What are your what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on this US Open, how it's developed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's very cool and just to be out
Speaker 1: there for my first time and yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: playing very hard. Um it is. Uh, it's just cool
Speaker 1: to be out there. I mean it was a great
Speaker 1: leaderboard obviously. Um. I mean I can't wait to watch
Speaker 1: the finish. I know some of your beloved qualifiers have
Speaker 1: fallen off the board, but here it comes Adam Padwin.
Speaker 1: This is definitely big boy golf. M Jeff watching H
Speaker 1: Jeff Ogiley by the ways here Milacael Bapers on my left.
Speaker 1: Ryan French is on my right. I should have done
Speaker 1: that earlier. My apologies. M Jeff watching at home. What
Speaker 1: are you see out of this golf course and the
Speaker 1: way this tournament is shaping up for the Sunday Finnish? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's been pretty compelling, Hanna. Um looks tough
Speaker 1: out there. That's kind of more fun to watch today
Speaker 1: than it would be to play. I think um Will's
Speaker 1: played Gride again. I mean, look, it's look, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of southern hills about Will out there, and
Speaker 1: Fitch Pat Matt Fitzpatrick up there again, and Rom's hanging
Speaker 1: in there all it looks like he's about to make
Speaker 1: a boggy, So yeah, fun. Rory's had a tough duy
Speaker 1: Scottie out of control there for a bit, and then
Speaker 1: as fast as he went up, he went down. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just compelling viewing, I guess. I mean, you spend
Speaker 1: your life buying us opens you kind of don't really
Speaker 1: understand sort of the joy people get to watch sort
Speaker 1: of play a struggle. But today I've kind of enjoyed it. Michael,
Speaker 1: how much do you love the way this course is
Speaker 1: testing the player. It's big, jackular and you know Jeff's point,
Speaker 1: it's not so much really seeing him struggle, it's just
Speaker 1: seeing what what has literally been said for a hundred
Speaker 1: years that the best golf courses will produce over seventy
Speaker 1: Joel holes the best players, and we're seeing this, you know,
Speaker 1: all ten names like we saw in nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: wing Foot, you know, when it was a murderers row.
Speaker 1: This is a murderers row of the of the game today.
Speaker 1: So it must say something about the quality of the
Speaker 1: golfers and the quality of the courses and how they're
Speaker 1: and how they're matching up. It's just couldn't be more fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some thrilling us open bogie's going on
Speaker 1: out there, like a lot of guys making six eight
Speaker 1: footers to save bogie, which is monumental something like this.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think the course was set up that
Speaker 1: much more difficult. You know, the greens are still little receptive,
Speaker 1: but this big wind and this cold are came in
Speaker 1: and man, that just changed everything. Yeah, it's now if
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of this green, you're praying
Speaker 1: you can tupe. You've got no chance of making there's
Speaker 1: no bombs to be made any downhills. Six footer and
Speaker 1: the wind looks so difficult. It just looks really really
Speaker 1: hard in the appropriately hard, not like weird hard, just
Speaker 1: appropriately hard. Yeah, Jeff. And if you rank the things
Speaker 1: that players dislike the least from a scoring standpoint, there's brick,
Speaker 1: hard greens, there's long rough. But where does a cold,
Speaker 1: heavy wind fit into that? Yeah, that's pretty up there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if we have if we have soft,
Speaker 1: if we have soft grains, we generally score pretty well,
Speaker 1: even outside everything else usually, but if you have firm
Speaker 1: grains in a wind cold wind, especially, the ball goes shorter.
Speaker 1: Modern equipment seems to go shorter in the cold. The
Speaker 1: temperatures set of temperature dependent a little bit. Yeah, wind
Speaker 1: is tough, especially blustery wind, and even hitting shots sometimes
Speaker 1: in the wind you can sort of manage. But putting
Speaker 1: in the wind on fast grains is really really hard,
Speaker 1: maybe the hardest thing. I know. People talk about it
Speaker 1: a little bit, but putting in the wind, especially on
Speaker 1: days like this, when you've got six footers and you
Speaker 1: start really thinking, well, I really want to make this,
Speaker 1: but I really don't want to have six feet coming back,
Speaker 1: so you start getting defensive over puts and the balls
Speaker 1: wobbling and you're moving around and stuff. So wind I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say an equalizer the least preferred option for weather.
Speaker 1: I would have thought it. If it's raining and it's
Speaker 1: coming straight down, it's not so bad. But if it's
Speaker 1: blowing really hard, golf gets really difficult. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure the average fan understands how much the wind
Speaker 1: can move a ball on the ground when there's so
Speaker 1: little grass underneath it. Right, Because the greens that we play,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like wind affects the puts that much.
Speaker 1: But these things are shaped so slick, they're like there's
Speaker 1: no friction there. How like Jeff on an eight foot
Speaker 1: or with a this serious cross went on a really
Speaker 1: fast green. I mean, how much can that really affect
Speaker 1: the role of the put? Oh? I can affect it
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean some greens are some greens to
Speaker 1: sort of sit down below the bunkers, or they've got
Speaker 1: some trees and stuff around, are usually okay, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of exposed grains around them. You could have
Speaker 1: a dead straight part that would break from outside the
Speaker 1: hole in a proper cross wind, for sure, And so
Speaker 1: then it gets complicated when you've got a right to
Speaker 1: left part and the wind's buying left to right. If
Speaker 1: you've got a downhill put that you have to hit
Speaker 1: really really softly if the ball's blowing. If the ball
Speaker 1: is rolling slowly, it's going to get hit a lot
Speaker 1: harder than if the ball is rolling fast. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of complications, there's a lot of guesswork, and
Speaker 1: there's a fair bit of luck involved, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: because gusty wind is up and down and you can
Speaker 1: do all the calculating you want and aim at left
Speaker 1: edge if it's blowing left edge, if you just get
Speaker 1: if if the gust lays down, it just to go straight,
Speaker 1: and if you get a really big gust, it breaks
Speaker 1: more than the whole. So it's a little bit random.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when it's like this,
Speaker 1: good putters usually hole puts. Anyway, the harder putting gets,
Speaker 1: the better putters get further in front. Usually putting is
Speaker 1: a headspace more than any sort of technique probably, and
Speaker 1: great putters have great minds about putting, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's tough. Is there a certain kind of
Speaker 1: putting stroke that lends itself to putting better in windy
Speaker 1: conditions like this, you would think, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: the sort of snetcer thing, which is the extreme end
Speaker 1: of the scale, the really sort of short, firm, sort
Speaker 1: of poppy thing he puts incredibly well on poor greens
Speaker 1: and in poor conditions. But yeah, just that solid looking stroke,
Speaker 1: you know, the big wavy ben crunchhaor thing. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he putt a grain in the wind. I'm not picking
Speaker 1: on bend, but like that big sort of Laura Roberts
Speaker 1: ben crunch or that really slow thing probably doesn't work
Speaker 1: quite as well. But modern modern putters are a lot
Speaker 1: bigger and a lot heavier than they used to be.
Speaker 1: A lot of mallets is a lot more weight in
Speaker 1: putters than they used to be. So the putter, probably
Speaker 1: the stroke is probably less important than just as I said,
Speaker 1: the attitude towards putting the patients. If if your ball
Speaker 1: blows offline or it's wobbling when you hit it and stuff,
Speaker 1: you just gotta have patience and realize that it's happening
Speaker 1: to everyone, and you're gonna mike some and you're gonna
Speaker 1: miss some I love all that. It's so it's so
Speaker 1: insider you Ryan, what did you think the vibe out there?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the crowds there were significantly larger
Speaker 1: than the first two rounds. I don't think they sold
Speaker 1: more tickets or or what happened, but I feel like
Speaker 1: a major uptick in the energy and and and the vibe.
Speaker 1: What was your take? Yeah, definitely better. Uh, some more
Speaker 1: people drinking, so funnier crowds that had some energy. There
Speaker 1: was chance going on. I mean it was, I mean
Speaker 1: what I would expect from a Boston crowd. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun out there. And they're
Speaker 1: really adopting, of course, as they would Keegan Bradley uh
Speaker 1: as one of their own. And that's part of the
Speaker 1: greatness of Boston. That's part of the greatness of the
Speaker 1: Open is that you know, at any open, Uh, they'll
Speaker 1: suddenly be a crowd favor And I would say it
Speaker 1: right now for sure it's Keegan Bradley. Oh, no question.
Speaker 1: Did you hear anything funny out there? Yeah? John Ram
Speaker 1: got called chunky but handsome. Um, I mean there's always
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always amazed that people like are so
Speaker 1: dedicated to like just yelling at another adult. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like what the hell are you doing? Like, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to like go John? I mean I was
Speaker 1: walking on four and John Ram was like here to
Speaker 1: the camera away from us and go John, Go John,
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: And John is like just looking straight ahead and just
Speaker 1: like I mean there's no way Jeff can maybe tell us,
Speaker 1: but like there's no way that doesn't annoy the shit
Speaker 1: out of you. Like okay, dude, I got it. Seven,
Speaker 1: let's joke. Let's go John to go, And the discipline
Speaker 1: not to even look over there, just like that's impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much at a big tournament, Jeff, when
Speaker 1: the fans are well lubricated and getting rowdy, Like, how
Speaker 1: can that really affect a player and get in their
Speaker 1: head and irritate them? Or how easy is it to
Speaker 1: drown that out? I mean, well, like in Boston and
Speaker 1: New York, it's very hard to drown out. Phoenix would
Speaker 1: be another one too. Look, it's fun if it's in
Speaker 1: a good spirit. I think I think most guys enjoy
Speaker 1: the good spirit. I think when it flips a little negative,
Speaker 1: I think guys that can really get under their skin. Um,
Speaker 1: it's fun. I mean, Phoenix can be one or the other.
Speaker 1: You know, in New York, I think's the best place
Speaker 1: that if you if there's if there's a guy doing
Speaker 1: that and they yell loud. In New York and Boston's
Speaker 1: probably pretty similar. If you turn around and acknowledge them,
Speaker 1: they get happy and then they get quiet. You know,
Speaker 1: they just want to be acknowledged. I'm here, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're part of this show, like, well done, thanks, riding
Speaker 1: on and then just quiet and down place. Um, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's tough. They get very loud. You
Speaker 1: understand that they're having fun. But if it's positive, I
Speaker 1: think it's great. If it gets negative, it gets a
Speaker 1: bit aggravating. Yeah. One of the other stories in my
Speaker 1: book at All is Amazes Me win at the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Athletic Club when Michelson two thousand one PG Championship against
Speaker 1: David Thoms and gets down to the seventieth hole. He's
Speaker 1: got this long part and some fans yelled, uh something
Speaker 1: about the break. Phil. It's it's really slow put you know,
Speaker 1: and on some level the fans know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: If you camp out around a green for an hour
Speaker 1: or two and you see a lot of putts and
Speaker 1: you're you're a golfer. You can kind of get a
Speaker 1: fuel for it, like you have some information. And Phil said,
Speaker 1: like he heard it and it hit his subconscious and
Speaker 1: so he hit his putt harder. It went eight feet by,
Speaker 1: he missed the comebacker, and in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: it cost him the PG championship. I give him credit
Speaker 1: for actually saying it and being honest about it, But
Speaker 1: I mean, is that a thing, Jeff, where like fans
Speaker 1: will will shout out information that might or might not
Speaker 1: be relevant, and like has it ever affected you? Absolutely? Um? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like Brake's left, Jeff. It Brake's left, Jeff. And then
Speaker 1: you sort of think, well, I know it breaks left,
Speaker 1: but does it make more than I left? More than
Speaker 1: I think? And now I hit it high, and now
Speaker 1: you don't want to miss it left, because then they're
Speaker 1: all going to get into your saying, I told you're
Speaker 1: broke left, so you may be hitting a bit too high.
Speaker 1: And yeah it's I mean, they like you're right. They do.
Speaker 1: They've been watching pots old eye and may people have
Speaker 1: been missing it left old eye. Then they're just trying
Speaker 1: to help all, as I said, to be part of
Speaker 1: the show or whatever. But then you start thinking, well,
Speaker 1: if I miss it left, they're just going to give
Speaker 1: me the I tell just so, so I better give
Speaker 1: it a bit more than I can see. And maybe
Speaker 1: I'm saying what it was anyway, And yeah, it's um it.
Speaker 1: Generally it happens a few times. You generally get pretty
Speaker 1: good at drowning it out and just doing your own thing,
Speaker 1: but you certainly listen, and it certainly happens a lot, Yeah, Jeff.
Speaker 1: When the USJ committee meets side to side on the
Speaker 1: course setup, they have of course an idea of what
Speaker 1: they want for Sunday, probably going months back. To what
Speaker 1: degree would they adjust at all in terms of actual
Speaker 1: position tea markers, actual position of the whole at what
Speaker 1: point to what degree would they make late weak adjustments,
Speaker 1: if at all, depending on whether leaderboard or otherwise, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the USGA is probably pretty set.
Speaker 1: I hope they're fluid with the weather forecast. They have
Speaker 1: sort of contingency sort of ideas. Certainly, t I think
Speaker 1: tea positions would be pretty fluid depending on conditions the pins.
Speaker 1: As you said, they probably decided that three years ago
Speaker 1: where they were going to put the pins, you know,
Speaker 1: during the week, and hopefully there's contingencies for crazy winds
Speaker 1: and stuff. I would have feel like the USG has
Speaker 1: a sort of organization that wouldn't have contingency plans for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Augusta certainly is very Augusta certainly seems to
Speaker 1: move the course around depending on the week. You know,
Speaker 1: they seem to set the course up each day as
Speaker 1: appropriate to how it's playing and how it went the
Speaker 1: day before. USGA. I don't know. I think Matis probably
Speaker 1: can move around a little bit, but I think the
Speaker 1: pins are probably set in stone. I would that would
Speaker 1: be my guests. Hopefully there's contingency, but I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: tomorrow will be interesting because the highest forecast now for
Speaker 1: fifty nine. It's gonna be cold, and you know, we
Speaker 1: saw a big wind blow through here. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like they've not really pushed this course that hard.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about they put water on the
Speaker 1: greens yesterday, so cold weather. Could they would they tip
Speaker 1: it out and really like let's make this a allbuster
Speaker 1: or are they afraid of going too far in one direction?
Speaker 1: So I think we'll get some of the some of
Speaker 1: the answer to your question tomorrow. Michael. Yeah, how tough
Speaker 1: they set up knowing that it's gonna it might be
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. We've got one or
Speaker 1: two guys under part exactly, so um as we're sitting here.
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick just Birdie the seventeenth hole. He's a solo leader
Speaker 1: at five under. And he's a really interesting case. Like
Speaker 1: you know, he's always been known just greedy, grinder on
Speaker 1: dangerous on tough courses, didn't hit it far enough to
Speaker 1: be a serious contender. But over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: like he's embraced the stack system. He's added excuse me,
Speaker 1: a lot of horsepower and a lot of speed, and
Speaker 1: like he's hitting it really far for a guy his size. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, can you talk about a similar evolution?
Speaker 1: I mean, how hard is that for a short hitter
Speaker 1: to become an above average hitter? And when you have
Speaker 1: that skill set like he has and then you add
Speaker 1: another whatever ten fifty twenty yards, Like, how dangerous does
Speaker 1: that does that make a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's the real deal now. And he was
Speaker 1: quite short when I first played with him, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to struggle at big courses. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got longer. I don't know he used to. I
Speaker 1: think it's a lot easier than it used to be.
Speaker 1: I think the science is really good now. I think
Speaker 1: golf has been overscienced from a playing perspective in most areas.
Speaker 1: But I think the physical stuff like that, the sort
Speaker 1: of sort of fine tuning the gym programs, and the
Speaker 1: sort of the light clubs and the heavy clubs and
Speaker 1: the speed stuff that people do, I think is pretty
Speaker 1: good now. I think there used to be whenever someone
Speaker 1: chased a bit of distance, it was usually that was
Speaker 1: the end of their career and they would go off
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But I think now it seems to
Speaker 1: be pretty well worked out. Everybody's doing it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit sort of overrated just
Speaker 1: gaining more distance. You still need to make parts of chip,
Speaker 1: and Tiger won all the major hitting two arms off
Speaker 1: the tea and stuff, so I still think it's a
Speaker 1: fraction overrated, but it's a much It's a much more
Speaker 1: exact science now, and there's a much better understanding of
Speaker 1: how to create speed without trashing your golf game and equipment,
Speaker 1: so you can you can do so much more with
Speaker 1: equipment set up now to maximize what you're doing. Whereas
Speaker 1: before it was just find the best club you could
Speaker 1: and work out to hit that one far. Now you
Speaker 1: can really sort of there's so many shafts and so
Speaker 1: many head options, and so many weights you can do
Speaker 1: in the club, and so many different things that they've
Speaker 1: learned R and D wise with drivers and golf balls
Speaker 1: that it sort of compliments the physical stuff you're doing.
Speaker 1: That's that's fascinating, Jeff, because it seems to me, if you're,
Speaker 1: if you're really really good at golf, you'd much rather
Speaker 1: change your shaft in your head than change your body.
Speaker 1: Because you've change your body, your swing is going to
Speaker 1: have to change as well as you saw a tiger
Speaker 1: as you soon braced Shambo and Rory, lots of people
Speaker 1: over the years. But if you're just used the shaft
Speaker 1: in the head, it's more organic with it. Would that
Speaker 1: be largely a accurate or Yeah? And I think and
Speaker 1: I think, look, a lot of it is confidence too.
Speaker 1: Like when you feel confident with a golf say a driver,
Speaker 1: you're trying to hit it far. When you feel confident
Speaker 1: with the driver, you just hit it harder. You just
Speaker 1: do because you feel better about it. And if you
Speaker 1: feel that the driver's going a bit skewy, you start
Speaker 1: slowing down because you're just not sure where it's going
Speaker 1: to go. So there's a lot to that. There's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot more of an exact science getting drivers
Speaker 1: into people's hands, and there's more of an understanding of
Speaker 1: sort of what stuff will allow you to sort of
Speaker 1: see the shape that you want. If you see the
Speaker 1: shape that you want in the ball flight that you want,
Speaker 1: you get more confident. So you just naturally hit it
Speaker 1: harder anyway because you're more confident. So that all sort
Speaker 1: of compliments that the physical stuff you're doing. So I
Speaker 1: think it's it's pretty well understood now. It seems to
Speaker 1: be all the attention in golf the last sort of
Speaker 1: ten years has gone on how to get guys to
Speaker 1: hit it further. And when you get smart minds on things,
Speaker 1: good things usually happen. I still think, as I said,
Speaker 1: I still think it's a fraction overrated. But for a
Speaker 1: guy like Matt, it was probably necessary to compete on
Speaker 1: the big on the big courses because he's got every
Speaker 1: other every other part of the game. So he gains
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen yards, he's going to be He's pretty dangerous. Right.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of the bastall player who's got all
Speaker 1: the skills and then all of a sudden he grows
Speaker 1: like eight inches one summer and he's like, now he's
Speaker 1: he's the best player on the court. Like it's really interesting. Um, Ryan,
Speaker 1: Adam Hadwin just finished office round. He's tied for third.
Speaker 1: He seems like, you're kind of guy. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's had some success. He's not I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: a nice dude. He's not really a like a grinder.
Speaker 1: I mean he's done pretty well. Yeah, I mean, Ryan,
Speaker 1: can I ask you, what do you mean he is
Speaker 1: or isn't grinders? The greatest grinder in the history of
Speaker 1: golf is Tiger Woods. So what exactly? So my my, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously he grinds. I think Tiger grinds the greatest.
Speaker 1: But a grinder is like Hayden Buckley, like wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to be here? Who says, So you're you're using it
Speaker 1: as an adjective or a noun. He's using it as
Speaker 1: a genre. He's talking about scrappy dude coming from the
Speaker 1: minor leagues. I understand. Yeah, to me, a grinder or
Speaker 1: someone like they are so desperate to stay in this game,
Speaker 1: they will do whatever they have to do, hopefully within
Speaker 1: legal bounds, to stay in the game. I totally agree,
Speaker 1: except they don't have the talent that Tiger has. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not discounting that Tiger was grinded Tiger Tiger,
Speaker 1: but you know, Buckley, grind off the charts and talent
Speaker 1: off the charts. You got Tiger Woods. We've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like it. Hayden Buckley like what you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously very talented, but like has to work harder or
Speaker 1: as hard, doesn't have the skills to do it. So
Speaker 1: he's he might win one or two PJA two events
Speaker 1: in his entire life. I see some of our colleagues
Speaker 1: eating pizza. What's up with that? Do you think pie
Speaker 1: is being served? Yes? Stay focused, Michael, oh, yes, say?
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question for all three of you? Jensen,
Speaker 1: you know, and when Jeff first came on too, of
Speaker 1: course this wasn't the case. These major seasons are short
Speaker 1: and intense, and this year in particularly to go from
Speaker 1: augustin National Scottish Shuffler, a Great PJA Championship at Southern Hills,
Speaker 1: a great US Open here, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: the Old Course. There are no bad opens up the
Speaker 1: Old Course. What do you all think about? You know, April, May, June,
Speaker 1: July bam bam, bam bam, and then we're out. I
Speaker 1: like it. I mean, it's kind of it's just like
Speaker 1: you get into this rhythm and then you throw the
Speaker 1: players in there in March too. Yeah, you just have
Speaker 1: kind of a five month run, four month run that
Speaker 1: really defines the whole golf season. And then then you
Speaker 1: come into the FedEx Cup and we don't care about
Speaker 1: that much, but it kind of puts a cherry on
Speaker 1: top of the whole year. And now we get some
Speaker 1: live events. And now we got live Jeff, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about a jest? But a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys are excited about the live events run. Yeah. True. Wow. Look,
Speaker 1: it's making it's making room for the other half of
Speaker 1: the year. And it's like if you get a role
Speaker 1: in the first half of the year and then there's
Speaker 1: room to do other stuff in the other half of
Speaker 1: the year. Maybe the players are the best part about
Speaker 1: it is the players in March is so much better
Speaker 1: than in May. It's yes, it's just not even close
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, and that the PAGI is weird, I
Speaker 1: think in my it takes a while to get used
Speaker 1: to still for me, sure for you guys too, but
Speaker 1: it feels like this is the one after the Masters.
Speaker 1: Still to me, in my head, I sort of forget
Speaker 1: the PGA has been on already just because it was
Speaker 1: forever the last one and I don't know the PGA.
Speaker 1: There was something about it being the last one, like
Speaker 1: when it's buried in the middle, it's going to get it,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be there. There was a coolness
Speaker 1: about it. Was like the last shot for the year, right,
Speaker 1: the last chance. That was it. That was it sales pitch.
Speaker 1: But like the the cadence of them now is perfect, right,
Speaker 1: you have one, you have a month off, you have one,
Speaker 1: you have a month off, you have one, you have
Speaker 1: a month off. It kind of it's nice. It's a
Speaker 1: nice sort of rhythm to the season. Yeah, it kind of.
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that PGA is always
Speaker 1: going to be for the most people's rankings of the majors.
Speaker 1: Um so in some ways. I hear you're saying, Jeff,
Speaker 1: it was almost a little bit of a letdown in
Speaker 1: the end with the PG. But to end with the
Speaker 1: major season, the open at Saint Andrew's, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a plus plus, Like it's a little better exclamation point
Speaker 1: I think on that whole part of the schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we go too far, afueld from Adam had when
Speaker 1: I just want to point out that he met his
Speaker 1: now wife on tinder Um while he was traveling the
Speaker 1: tour which this week. This week, the Wichita event is
Speaker 1: on the corn Ferry tour. This week he met his wife.
Speaker 1: This is their anniversary X amount of years ago in
Speaker 1: uh at the corn Ferry event. What what a what
Speaker 1: a story that'll be? Yeah, So I'll tho us out
Speaker 1: to you Ryan and to you Jeff. We don't have
Speaker 1: to say any names. If you want to offer initials
Speaker 1: or other identifying details, that's why. But what are the
Speaker 1: best stories we've heard about players hookups on the road.
Speaker 1: It just seems Jermaine, given Hadwin's lofty position on on
Speaker 1: the leaderboard, don't be shy, Jeff, go ahead, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wis Hilton head back in the good old days. That
Speaker 1: was always a the punning grind of hilton Heads always
Speaker 1: been a pretty good hunting ground for the boys. Um, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know Adam really well. Um, and
Speaker 1: she's great, Jessica, right, yeah, Yeah, the fact that they
Speaker 1: met on Tinder does not mean she can't be great.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a little bit of judgment in
Speaker 1: that comment there, Jeff, there was no judgment. That's how
Speaker 1: it's done. That's how it's done these days. You don't
Speaker 1: camp out at the bar anymore. You just you just
Speaker 1: found them off the thing. There's a few, quite a
Speaker 1: few boys who have brought out them. I mean they
Speaker 1: get the dms set to them on Instagram and they
Speaker 1: just basically picked from a bunch of good choices and
Speaker 1: out they come for a few weeks and off they
Speaker 1: go and then another one comes out. So there's been
Speaker 1: a few of play that game for a while. It's
Speaker 1: a different it. Look, it's a different world now. It
Speaker 1: used to be hard work. You used to have to
Speaker 1: put all afternoon at hilton Head, but now you can
Speaker 1: just sit on your phone. Yeah, Strokes game putty really
Speaker 1: changed the week after the Masters, for sure, Ryan, come
Speaker 1: on the greedy minor leagues. You must have some stories.
Speaker 1: Latin American tour gentleman met a fine Colombian woman and
Speaker 1: brought her back to the hotel. There was a knock
Speaker 1: on the door and it was her husband, and he
Speaker 1: ran out of the Uh. He jumped out of the
Speaker 1: first It was on the first floor, the window. He
Speaker 1: had none of his clothes, his yardage book was in there. Everything.
Speaker 1: Uh it was. It was a bad situation, mostly first
Speaker 1: golf because his yardage book was it was fine. He escaped,
Speaker 1: but uh, I mean, Jeff will tell you, without your
Speaker 1: yardage book and all the notes, shit's going sideways. Like
Speaker 1: he never went back to his hotel room. He just
Speaker 1: like abandoned the plano was her hotel room. It was
Speaker 1: her hotel rooms. That's an important piece of all Right,
Speaker 1: this begs a lot of questions. We're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: save those for another podcast. I feel like this could
Speaker 1: be an entire podcast that would be amazing if we
Speaker 1: could get Jeff to be like unfiltered about stories he's heard.
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, can we get Tiger on here?
Speaker 1: Jeff Michael Michael ast Jeff, I mean, ask of Tiger
Speaker 1: if we can get him on here and tell some stories.
Speaker 1: I'll go to Steinberg and he'll go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I'm I'm sure we'll get it. Yes. But
Speaker 1: has Tiger ever done a podcast? I don't think he
Speaker 1: has he ever been a guest on a podcast, not
Speaker 1: that I don't think, so let's ask. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: actually unbelievable. The first person ever gets a Tiger here,
Speaker 1: he comes, Tiger, come on in, right, I mean, in
Speaker 1: this day and age, that like every player's done podcast.
Speaker 1: That's just the thing. Jeff along along the lines where
Speaker 1: you were saying a minute ago. Uh, Alan knows this
Speaker 1: very well. But Alan and I had a Boston him
Speaker 1: Jim Harry for years at Sports Illustrated, and he was
Speaker 1: like a savant for story ideas, and and Jeff Maggert
Speaker 1: had won some big event and I think a million dollars, well,
Speaker 1: probably the Tour Championship, and and Harry said, there's no
Speaker 1: way this guy is this boring. Go see the guy
Speaker 1: and see what he's up to. So went and saw
Speaker 1: Jeff Maggert I think at the UH at one of
Speaker 1: those events outside DC when the Kemper Open was there,
Speaker 1: and we talked about a sex life. For about three
Speaker 1: hours on the record. That was interesting. Absolutely did you
Speaker 1: wrote the story? Oh it's a classic. We're just talking
Speaker 1: about this last night at dinner. And not only did
Speaker 1: Jeff talk in great vivid detail about sex life, Michael
Speaker 1: also interviewed his his ex wife his new wife like
Speaker 1: it was utterly fasting that all these people just told
Speaker 1: you everything. And the mother who said he seems for
Speaker 1: a while like he was dealing with depression issues, but
Speaker 1: not anymore. I'm making that last part of it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to depression issues, because he did have depression
Speaker 1: issues according to the letter. He's a complicated, interesting guy.
Speaker 1: But man alive, did he hit the golf ball straight?
Speaker 1: I'm sure you built a lot with him? What an exit?
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just trying what he just wants to jail.
Speaker 1: And the whole thing, Jeff Magger hit the ball straight
Speaker 1: or stop at Michael is ridiculous. And Brian, here's another guy, Ryan,
Speaker 1: just so you know, here's another guy who hit a
Speaker 1: really straight Brian Gay, Well, what about his sex life?
Speaker 1: That's not um. Although Brian Gay I saw him at
Speaker 1: a when justin Timberlake first became the who in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: there was a great concert where I went to it,
Speaker 1: Like fifty cent was there and a bunch of other
Speaker 1: big name people get got up and jammed with Timberlakes.
Speaker 1: One of the best concerts ever and all the tour
Speaker 1: players turned out because I got tickets. And I thought
Speaker 1: Brian Gages is boring. Dude. He showed up and he
Speaker 1: was in like snay skin boots, skin tight jeans, like
Speaker 1: this black leather shirt. There was like unbuttoned to his
Speaker 1: belly button. I was like, clearly, Brian Gay is more
Speaker 1: interesting than I thought. And that led to a whole
Speaker 1: big story. And I've always loved Brian Gay and Kimberly
Speaker 1: his bride. And if you see Brian Gay when you
Speaker 1: go to the Dylan show in a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: in Santa Cruz, you better write that up. I will
Speaker 1: write that up. And if he wears that same outfit
Speaker 1: to Dylan and Santa Cruz, it will not fly. Well,
Speaker 1: yeah that I am going to Dylan next week. I
Speaker 1: refused to let go that we had. We transitioned from
Speaker 1: Jeff Maggert's sex play for three Hours to House Trady
Speaker 1: hits the Ball. Hey, no one cares about how straight
Speaker 1: Jeff it's a family podcast, right. I still when you
Speaker 1: rank the most mortifying ways to loser major championship, like
Speaker 1: blowing like a two and a half of put pot,
Speaker 1: like Scott Hope, that's on the list. Um to Chip Chen, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to Chip Chen signing the incorrect scorecard. Uh, like Devin
Speaker 1: Devin Senzo Like but Jeff Maggert when he joined himself
Speaker 1: in the chest at Augusta, I remember he was that
Speaker 1: fairway bunker. Was that maybe on five? Ye? Like? Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe earlier in the round earlier it was three three,
Speaker 1: he was on three? Like were you playing with him? Remember?
Speaker 1: Do you think now that the rules changed, he's super
Speaker 1: pissed off about it. No, it's just much a gentleman
Speaker 1: for that. A guy named Bill Campbell is a former
Speaker 1: person in USJA. Spent fifty years of his life trying
Speaker 1: to get that rule changed. He died and they changed it.
Speaker 1: But it was a bad rule. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: two shots for hitting yourself coming on. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is why I questioned my my space on
Speaker 1: this podcast is things like that. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: even know who that guy is, and like, I mean,
Speaker 1: but what do we know about some of your players?
Speaker 1: And we're all educating each other here. Ryan, Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's try and bring this back to the issue at hand.
Speaker 1: Here we've gone very far afield. But this is the
Speaker 1: United States Open Championship. Yeah, we're heading into the final round.
Speaker 1: It's it's an A plus leaderboard. Yep. Um. We know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cold. We don't know how Windi's gonna
Speaker 1: be tomorrow. They're such a lurker. It's so obvious. Sam
Speaker 1: Burns absolutely Alan still got it. Well. I mean, he
Speaker 1: struts around like he's already won five US Opens, like
Speaker 1: the guy has one of the all times struts. I
Speaker 1: will say Rory McElroy is playing an extremely impressive round
Speaker 1: because he's got nothing, but he is grinding so hard
Speaker 1: and he's made some great bogies. He's made some great
Speaker 1: start three and now he's won. Yeah yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean he looks like he's shooting eighties. So if Rory
Speaker 1: he's still got three more holes to go as we
Speaker 1: tape this, if you can get in the barn like
Speaker 1: Jeff knowing what you know, what would you hazard? Will
Speaker 1: be the winning score tomorrow? Oh, it's gonna be called.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be any better than four unders it
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I would sell two yeah something, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which means anyone who's at plus one even plus two
Speaker 1: that they go out early and you know, shooted or
Speaker 1: sixty six would been unbelievable. Round sixty seven would be incredible,
Speaker 1: like Dustin Johnson's plus two if he goes out and
Speaker 1: just you know, free wheels a little bit because he's
Speaker 1: just far enough out of the league, like uh, you
Speaker 1: never know. But you know, it's amazing about this board top,
Speaker 1: you know from the name, so we can see right
Speaker 1: here and this is a total compliment to the US Open,
Speaker 1: no flash, all substance. You know, that's true right down
Speaker 1: the list, and it's it's it's great to see him.
Speaker 1: You know, as we've said many times, you know, how
Speaker 1: did Chad Campbell not when you know a US Open?
Speaker 1: How did Jeff Maggert not want to use Open? But
Speaker 1: there is a type of golf that wins US Opens
Speaker 1: and every one of these guys, no, no, John bram
Speaker 1: is a super mega talent, but he's still oh he's
Speaker 1: a grinding mold. Yeah, he's like every which way to Sunday,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Seby didn't fit the mold and he
Speaker 1: never want to US Open. Yeah, you know that's not
Speaker 1: Nick Faldo never when he US Open. That's why I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, you know that Tom Kite did. Of course,
Speaker 1: that Ben Cronshaw didn't. Of course. Yeah, some things makes
Speaker 1: sense all that. Yeah, so this board makes sense, and
Speaker 1: I'm happy for the USGA. I mean, I think they
Speaker 1: think they needed a week like this. It's been a
Speaker 1: crazy hectic year in the world and end in golf,
Speaker 1: and it's just a delight to come here to this
Speaker 1: old timey course and see an old timey leader board
Speaker 1: and have this cool weather. It's just great. It's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we, I think all of us probably have
Speaker 1: recognized when the USGA makes mistakes and they have their shortcomings,
Speaker 1: like any big organization. But I think I can't speak
Speaker 1: for Ryan, he's sort of an anarchist, but me, you
Speaker 1: and Jeff like we appreciate the USGA that they they
Speaker 1: are the governing force in this game and their hearts
Speaker 1: in the right place and so so I think some
Speaker 1: people delight when they screw up the setup and they
Speaker 1: get to rip them, including some players and some reporters.
Speaker 1: But I like when this is successful. He goes open
Speaker 1: I feel a bit of re leaf almost. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: if they shoot twenty under, if the old course is
Speaker 1: still for four days and there's twenty under, the RNA,
Speaker 1: guys be like, that's cool. They may not use the phrase,
Speaker 1: but they'll be all right with it, and that's that's
Speaker 1: great too. Is there any do you have any emotion, Jeff,
Speaker 1: just watching this open playout with beautiful golf course, nice
Speaker 1: set up, no controversy, great players on the board. Is
Speaker 1: that sort of pleasing for you in some way? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: agree with everything you guys have said. Absolutely. It's they
Speaker 1: need they need a win. A man, it's a good
Speaker 1: year for a win too, right, especially at a great
Speaker 1: course like this, great venue. It's unfolding like it's going
Speaker 1: to be a great one. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than when they go to a place
Speaker 1: like Shinnecock, which is one of the best courses in
Speaker 1: the world, and yeah, they just get to it. They
Speaker 1: just get too excited and they just just make Shinnicock
Speaker 1: looks stupid. Like it's just incredibly annoying and frustrating. This
Speaker 1: is a win. This is a win. Whatever happens tomorrow,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's going to be anything but
Speaker 1: another day like this and a good player is going
Speaker 1: to win. Um, the USG I need to win every
Speaker 1: now and then. Yep. I'm sticking to a Brookline police
Speaker 1: officer today. And you know, he was here in Ada,
Speaker 1: and he was here in ninety nine for the Ryder Cup,
Speaker 1: and he was here. I don't know if he was
Speaker 1: here in sixty three. Of course he's here this year.
Speaker 1: It's like they've had nothing but good tournament. Something guy says,
Speaker 1: and what about thirteen And he wasn't talking about the
Speaker 1: USAM and in twenty thirteen he was talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that they've had nothing but great US opens here
Speaker 1: And yet you know it's not on the road to Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you said, for the reason, you know, the follow
Speaker 1: the money reasons. But it's a shame really. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's not set in stone. I mean the
Speaker 1: USG has scheduled out a number of opens, but there's
Speaker 1: there's some empty spot for sure. They're not they're not
Speaker 1: books all the two thousand and fifty one or whatever,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean the PGA is yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this has been so successful. I think there's been
Speaker 1: so much praise, like, hopefully they'll re examine it, so,
Speaker 1: you know, let's find a way to get back here
Speaker 1: in a decade. Like I think that that can happen.
Speaker 1: You know, when something exceeds expectations and people fall in
Speaker 1: love with it and it's universally acclaim, they would would
Speaker 1: be silly not to rethink it. Yea. Now whether like
Speaker 1: the Club Brooklyn wants it back and um, you know
Speaker 1: that's maybe a secondary issue, but it it would be
Speaker 1: cool to have about do we want to do we
Speaker 1: want to make predictions for tomorrow? Are we that kind
Speaker 1: of podcast? I don't think so. No, No, we're not. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, well let's this is a short snappy uh
Speaker 1: fire drill. That's good. People are busy on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, what is your T shirt indicated? I can't
Speaker 1: say it from here? It's links all Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah? What an organic? Yeah, little add Where
Speaker 1: do you go? Yep? Do we have any other sponsors?
Speaker 1: Very nice links? Also of the sponsors today is a sponsor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We want the listeners at home to know that that
Speaker 1: is the meaning of organic. That was organic. That is
Speaker 1: the meaning we could only barely did you hear Ogilby Segue.
Speaker 1: Did the organic cotton in the shirt? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the biggest takeaway for me. Jeff Maggert sex life.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what to say about it.
Speaker 1: We should also mention our favorite golf at Part Points.
Speaker 1: It's also one of our sponsors, and sometimes we joke around,
Speaker 1: but we do love our sponsors because they help us
Speaker 1: keep the lights on and we get to do cool
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Speaker 1: Links Soul. Thank you to the listeners for being here.
Speaker 1: It's been an incredibly long I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: at the Country Girl for a month. Yeah, is well,
Speaker 1: we don't get here on Monday, and we did this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was neat. I've liked it. Yeah, flood of content
Speaker 1: and for the late tea times on Suturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1: Hopefully all you guys out there are catching up. You
Speaker 1: go to our landing page Firepit Collective dot com. You
Speaker 1: can click on one button. It'll take you everything we've
Speaker 1: done this week, so I hope you'll check that out.
Speaker 1: So Jeff, thank you for your time and your insight.
Speaker 1: Michael Ryan, we'll do this again. Thanks for listening and
Speaker 1: We'll do it again tomorrow when we have a champion.
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