Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Psychology Podcast with Doctor Scott
Speaker 1: Barry Kaufman, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior,
Speaker 1: and creativity. Each episode will feature a new guest who
Speaker 1: will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding
Speaker 1: of yourself, others, and the world we live in. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening and enjoy the podcast. Today we have Jared
Speaker 1: Kuinert on the show. I usually introduce my guests, but
Speaker 1: I think I'll have Jared kind of talk about himself
Speaker 1: in this one, because you're quite an interested fellow, aren't you.
Speaker 1: I would hope so, and that's why you have me
Speaker 1: on your podcast. You have a very interesting trajectory to
Speaker 1: what you're doing, which I really like. First of all,
Speaker 1: how old are you? Nineteen as we recorded for that,
Speaker 1: So you're still a teenager? Yeah, it's My birthday is
Speaker 1: October sixteenth, So unfortunately notccerb a teenager much longer. But
Speaker 1: I am enjoying my teenagerhood for the last few months
Speaker 1: that I have it. Well, now, when is your When
Speaker 1: is your book due out July twenty eighth, before you
Speaker 1: turn twenty Yep, goodness, that would have been awkward. The
Speaker 1: title of your book is called two billion under twenty,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, two billion nunder twenty. Millennials are
Speaker 1: working down age barriers, changing the world. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: believe millennials are changing the world. I think that's a hypothesis.
Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable. It could be wrong. No, but
Speaker 1: you're saying it's true. And so how are they changing
Speaker 1: the world? Jared? Yeah, I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways you can look at it, depending on
Speaker 1: whether you want to look at entrepreneurship and how millennials
Speaker 1: are changing that space. If you want to look at
Speaker 1: corporate America, if you want to look at education, which
Speaker 1: you're a huge proponent of and you'r or in the
Speaker 1: thick of it at pen There's a lot of places
Speaker 1: to look, So I guess I can start with the basics.
Speaker 1: Millennials seem to be more of an entrepreneurial generation than
Speaker 1: generations past, and I think that is because we are
Speaker 1: the first generation that you could go on the Internet
Speaker 1: like I did at fifteen and try and start a business,
Speaker 1: and that really hasn't been possible before past generations. You
Speaker 1: could have started a business fifteen, but you'd have to
Speaker 1: do it brick and mortar, style, or you'd have to
Speaker 1: do a garage sale or a car wash or something
Speaker 1: else that just required a lot more moving parts, whereas
Speaker 1: you can just use the Internet and pop something up today,
Speaker 1: whether you're ten or whether you're one hundred, and I
Speaker 1: think that fundamentally changes things. With technology, also comes the
Speaker 1: rise in social media and different communications channels that allow
Speaker 1: millennials to voice their opinions more than other generations have
Speaker 1: been able to. So unfortunately, I think we get the
Speaker 1: narcisistic label a lot, or have gotten a narcissistic label
Speaker 1: in the past a lot to describe millennials. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: there's an interesting there's interesting research on that showing that
Speaker 1: millennials on tests of do score higher. Right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that at times it can be misconstrued as well.
Speaker 1: And I think that the use of social media and
Speaker 1: the ability for millennials to really speak their mind more
Speaker 1: than past generations have been or speak their mind and
Speaker 1: have it heard more globally at a more rapid pace.
Speaker 1: While it does lend itself to potential narcissystem if you
Speaker 1: get carried away with it, I think it does have
Speaker 1: a lot of really good benefits as well. And that's
Speaker 1: when you can see the social movements that you've been
Speaker 1: able to see in the past few years really cooperate
Speaker 1: together and thrive at a global level. You can see
Speaker 1: people connecting at global scale. You can see youth leading
Speaker 1: youth at global scale, and that's really something that hasn't
Speaker 1: been able to happen before. But now you have communities
Speaker 1: like two billion member twenty, you have things like the
Speaker 1: til Fellowship, you have even Malala and her work, you know,
Speaker 1: has all been youth leading youth at a global scale,
Speaker 1: and that's really not been able to be possible before
Speaker 1: at the level and at the speed that it is now.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really interesting and it's eventually going
Speaker 1: to create, I hope, a more understanding world and a
Speaker 1: world where there's less hatred and there's there's just more
Speaker 1: cooperation amongst individuals, despite ethnicity, socioeconomics, any of the barriers
Speaker 1: that exist between us. So I do fundamentally think that
Speaker 1: millennials are going to start creating more understanding and obviously
Speaker 1: we're not there yet, but I think that's another really
Speaker 1: different thing about millennials and past generations, since that will
Speaker 1: be a more understanding generation, and who knows what that'll
Speaker 1: that'll translate to an education or in business. It might
Speaker 1: be too early to tell, right, No, this is a
Speaker 1: this is all a good point. I think that the
Speaker 1: technology has certainly given your generation of voice in a
Speaker 1: way that that like, my generation really didn't get a chance.
Speaker 1: Although we're my generation was just starting with the whole
Speaker 1: Internet revolution, we had we had more private voices like
Speaker 1: friends and stuff. But yeah, I think so. Do you
Speaker 1: think that that the millennials, like this generation, they actually
Speaker 1: care about more issues impacting the world, or just they
Speaker 1: are given more of a chance now to actually express
Speaker 1: those interests. I think the second one probably fuels the first.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're able to a good point, if
Speaker 1: you're able to voice your opinion and you start seeing
Speaker 1: results from it, and maybe things happen at a local
Speaker 1: level that you know, push you up in the hierarchy
Speaker 1: in terms of social status and you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of recognition from your peers, or if you actually see
Speaker 1: change we made and you're able to raise twenty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for a hospital, or you're able to crowdfund, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars for your new tech invention, I think
Speaker 1: that naturally is going to get more people to do
Speaker 1: more of that positive thing. So yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: second feels the first. That's a really it's a really
Speaker 1: good point. Now you've so you've been really busy. So
Speaker 1: let's kind of like outline all these things that you're
Speaker 1: involved in. So you're cauthor of this book two billion
Speaker 1: or twenty year calluthor with Stacey? Was it Ferrara? Stacy Ferra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's another young entrepreneur. I guess her claim to fame
Speaker 1: is that when she was eighteen, she raised a million
Speaker 1: dollars or actually a little over a million dollars from
Speaker 1: Richard Branson and a couple other people essentially off the tweet.
Speaker 1: So talk about the use of technology. Wow. Wait, Richard
Speaker 1: Branson saw a tweet that she wrote. No, so I
Speaker 1: guess I'm going to share her story? I guess, but
Speaker 1: please do. Yeah. So she was on Twitter one day,
Speaker 1: saw Richard Branson had made a tweet about a charity
Speaker 1: event that he had coming up in Miami. So join
Speaker 1: me for to make cocktails two thousand dollars a person
Speaker 1: you know, email this person if you're interested. Wow. And
Speaker 1: she saw this tweet. She she was working on creating
Speaker 1: a company called my Social Cloud, with her brother and
Speaker 1: a third co founder at the time, and her and
Speaker 1: her brother, you know, got the cash together to like,
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours go to Miami and like, make
Speaker 1: this four thousand dollars bet plus airfare and food and
Speaker 1: whatnot to meet Richard Branson, And they ended up meeting him.
Speaker 1: They pitched him their idea, and then a few months later,
Speaker 1: Richard Branson asked a couple of his colleagues, Jerry Murdoch
Speaker 1: and Alex Welch, to go visit the two in la
Speaker 1: and within three months of meeting Branson, they had had
Speaker 1: one point two million dollars in seed funding. Wow, so
Speaker 1: she's quite a go getter. Yeah, she's she's amazing. And
Speaker 1: then they sold the company within eighteen months to Reputation
Speaker 1: dot Com. So she's one of the youngest female tech
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs to have an exit of that magnetus dude, And yeah,
Speaker 1: just been amazing co author and co founder. Is she
Speaker 1: a millionaire? I don't know. It's undisclosed how much she
Speaker 1: was bought out for, but she's all right. I guess
Speaker 1: she's living in Manhattan. Wow. Well, she just stoked the
Speaker 1: envy of lots of twenty one year olds listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast for just now, Well, she's she's twenty two
Speaker 1: herself now, so probably still twenty one year old's envs.
Speaker 1: Probably still true, probably some forty one year old, probably
Speaker 1: some sixty year olds or some thirty six year olds envious. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so but no, we've we've been busy with the book launch.
Speaker 1: As you said, Yeah, let's get back. We'll focus back
Speaker 1: on you now. Yeah. Oh, they's it's a battery pack.
Speaker 1: We come together, but we're we're both working on the
Speaker 1: book launch. How do you meet her? Then? Tell me
Speaker 1: that backstory? Sure, we met? Do you tweeted her? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't tweet it her. We met and shook hands
Speaker 1: in a New York City subway for five minutes. And
Speaker 1: that was a partnership. But are you serious? Well, yes,
Speaker 1: it came because we were both in town and we
Speaker 1: were both at the Teal Foundation's summit in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Were you a fellow, I'm not a fellow. Actually, Stacy
Speaker 1: just became a fellow. Okay, it's cool news, But yeah,
Speaker 1: we were both there. I was. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how today was at the time. I think it was
Speaker 1: still seventeen. I just turned seventeen and a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I know, crazy light years, but I just turned seventeen.
Speaker 1: I was in New York and Stacy was also at
Speaker 1: the event, although I didn't know that until probably two
Speaker 1: days in. But we were at the Teal Foundation summit.
Speaker 1: And for people who are listening that don't know what
Speaker 1: the Teal Foundation is, it's Peter Teel and his kind
Speaker 1: of nonprofit. Part of what they do is trying to
Speaker 1: get young entrepreneurs and scientists to take a look at
Speaker 1: education as potentially not the path to acting on their
Speaker 1: businesses or their science endeavors. And he pulls kids out
Speaker 1: of school for two years to build their businesses, create
Speaker 1: nuclear fusion reactors or whatever crazy science stuff that you
Speaker 1: know some of the fellows are doing, and he gives
Speaker 1: them one hundred thousand dollars grant to do this. So
Speaker 1: they also have the summits that they put on once
Speaker 1: every six months or so, and we were at the summit.
Speaker 1: The summit was actually where I got the idea for
Speaker 1: the book, because we were listening to a talk that
Speaker 1: said there was about twenty people selected for the Fellowship
Speaker 1: each year. It's about two hundred people in the room
Speaker 1: that day, but two billion people in the world twenty
Speaker 1: years old younger, and we've the whole world. Yeah about
Speaker 1: that many people now, I guess it is the two brilliant.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Okay, Lizzy's confirming the start to start
Speaker 1: cutting the two billion under twenty and we'll see how
Speaker 1: long the podcast episode goes. That's really good. Okay, many
Speaker 1: people are in America? How many young people are? Just
Speaker 1: how many people? How many people? About three hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty million? Okay, cool? Okay, well, okay, so that's a
Speaker 1: huge audience. Then CLO includes people who are zero age, right,
Speaker 1: the people who are like two months old? Yeah? Everyone
Speaker 1: everyone under twenty. So but in your book do you
Speaker 1: feature like, like who do you feature? You feature the
Speaker 1: whole gamut of ages from zero to twenty not zero.
Speaker 1: But I think we have we have a couple of
Speaker 1: people that were like preteens, so you know, eleven or thirteen.
Speaker 1: Most people are a college age, I would say, and
Speaker 1: then you know, the people are all varying. We have
Speaker 1: Olympians in the book. We have teenage entrepreneurs of you know,
Speaker 1: money and or started building successful businesses. We have uh singers,
Speaker 1: we have actors, we have scientists and like kids who
Speaker 1: developed nuclear fusion reactors in the garages or have developed
Speaker 1: like early detection tests to detect cancer. And then we
Speaker 1: have like a girl lost one hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: and saved your life. We have literally the entire gambit
Speaker 1: of people you'd want from all over the world and
Speaker 1: all walks of life. And so the book drops July
Speaker 1: twenty eighth. Yeah, what do you say, I'm excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should be over over two years in the works.
Speaker 1: So it was over two years in the works, and
Speaker 1: you did how many interviews throughout the course of that.
Speaker 1: So the unique part about the book is that everyone
Speaker 1: wrote their own anecdotes and so we reached out, but
Speaker 1: everyone wrote their own one of three page stories, so
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't actually interview them. We got in
Speaker 1: touch with them, they decided to contribute their own personal
Speaker 1: stories as written by them, and then we just edited
Speaker 1: the hell out of everyone's stories and made sure it was,
Speaker 1: you know, book ready. So it's a really interesting process.
Speaker 1: And would I do it again. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily write a three hundred fifty book where
Speaker 1: we managed like a community of three hundred plus people
Speaker 1: and that's equally as difficult, if not more. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you must have had a bit of a team.
Speaker 1: Did you have research assistant? Sir, No, it's really just
Speaker 1: me and Stacey, and then everyone took on their you know,
Speaker 1: their own writing. We edited the initial drafts and then
Speaker 1: had we had a professional editor, and then Saint Martin's
Speaker 1: Press is our publisher, so they came in and they
Speaker 1: did more edits and more edits and you know the
Speaker 1: rest is history. Very cool. Do you to feature any like?
Speaker 1: I guess you would have featured some prodigies like Jacob Barnett. Jacob,
Speaker 1: for various reasons, couldn't be in the book, but his
Speaker 1: mom actually endorsed the book. Yeah, so yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: think because of his own book and because of just
Speaker 1: writes that he signed away at a young age. He
Speaker 1: couldn't be featured in another book, or he could be
Speaker 1: featured in it, but he couldn't write his own story.
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. Yeah, but you feature I mean, I
Speaker 1: think in an area of overlap of both of our
Speaker 1: interests is so called gifted children. But you know, children
Speaker 1: that just do remarkable things at a really young age,
Speaker 1: well beyond was expected based in their age, So I
Speaker 1: mean in a way this is also a catalog of
Speaker 1: gifted children. This book absolutely big fan in that phrase.
Speaker 1: But you know, these are extraordinary people. What I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think are some of the characters if
Speaker 1: you don't mind me like discussing some psychological aspects of this,
Speaker 1: because this is something that I'm really interested in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would you say, are some uniting characteristics that all
Speaker 1: these people seem to share? Would you think Grit was
Speaker 1: a big part of a lot of them? Sure. If
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a someone that most people
Speaker 1: would deem a prodigy in the traditional sense, it's someone
Speaker 1: like Jack and Raca who he's the one who developed
Speaker 1: at fifteen an early detection test for pancreatic long and
Speaker 1: ovarian cancers and one Intel's IF competition. Now he speaks
Speaker 1: around the world about opening up access to science information
Speaker 1: for both at the same National Association we give the
Speaker 1: Children conference. I did there you go last year? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it went down. His talkically went down very well. It
Speaker 1: was very popular. Yeah. His backstory in terms of GRIT
Speaker 1: was at fifteen or fourteen, even when he had what
Speaker 1: he thought might have been an early detection test, he
Speaker 1: reached out to I think two hundred different professors and
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety nine said no or didn't answer
Speaker 1: his request to working in their labs, and one gave
Speaker 1: him a lukewarm yes, and that's the one he went
Speaker 1: to and ultimately made his creations with. But that takes
Speaker 1: a lot of grit. Yeah, I'd say, but is that
Speaker 1: great or is that hutzpah? I've been thinking about trying
Speaker 1: to measure come up with the hutzpah scale. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you might have to explain that from the
Speaker 1: non Jers listening to the podcast. Are you non Jewish? Cliner, No,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely Jewish. I mean, client so a very Jewish.
Speaker 1: Last time I was gonna say, so you knew you
Speaker 1: knew what I meant. Yeah. By the way, we don't
Speaker 1: have non Jews listening to this podcast purely the Jewish network.
Speaker 1: That's not true. I'm sure there's plenty. All are welcome,
Speaker 1: All are welcome to listen to this podcast. Yeah. Hutzpah
Speaker 1: is kind of this Yiddish phrase for someone who's uh,
Speaker 1: go getter and like a but but there's kind of
Speaker 1: like a sense in which like, like how dare you
Speaker 1: you know what I mean like like you're kind of
Speaker 1: unreasonable go getter, you know, but but it's still like
Speaker 1: good like you know, like I when I was like
Speaker 1: how old was I? People have often described me as
Speaker 1: having huts, But like when I was in college, I
Speaker 1: emailed the head of the psychology department at Cambridge University
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, can I study with you? Like
Speaker 1: people are like, how could you like email the head
Speaker 1: of the department, you know, like on an email, right,
Speaker 1: Like people like that's you have a lot of I
Speaker 1: mean I see that in you, Jarren. You I mean
Speaker 1: you just reached out to me. You're like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be a pen like I stopped by your office, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's there's a certain characteristic there not. I
Speaker 1: don't think everyone has that, sure. I mean, actually Adam
Speaker 1: Adam Grant connected us, but I guess they had him.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I mean you had a lot of
Speaker 1: let's put connecting with that on that's right, So good
Speaker 1: for you. So so there, So tell me some more
Speaker 1: of the other things you noted. I know that like
Speaker 1: you weren't prepared necessary to do a full analysis, but
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear some in your intuitions about what
Speaker 1: you think are these characteristics because you know, I write
Speaker 1: about this a lot. You know what, what drives creativity?
Speaker 1: So sure, I think for for various reasons, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to revisit all the contributors and do
Speaker 1: another kind of interview series with them to figure out
Speaker 1: how that how they found exactly what they were passionate about.
Speaker 1: But all of them are acting on their pathsions in
Speaker 1: one way or another, which is very interesting, and I
Speaker 1: think that contributes to them all being prodigies and them
Speaker 1: all you know, finding and acting on their gifts. Because
Speaker 1: I do think that everyone has the potential to act
Speaker 1: on their passions. I do think everyone has the potential
Speaker 1: to do something great, and that you know, there's multiple
Speaker 1: forms of intelligence, you know, doesn't You don't just have
Speaker 1: to be BookSmart the intelligent. I disagree. I think there's
Speaker 1: only one kind of intelligence. Really interesting. No, that's my
Speaker 1: whole stick, I agree with you. So my whole stick
Speaker 1: is there's multiple. So so I think that you know,
Speaker 1: all these people definitely acted on their passions and it'd
Speaker 1: be interesting to find out from them what triggered that,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure it differed for some of them. It
Speaker 1: might have been traumas you know. I know one of
Speaker 1: our contributors, dow Jock, grew up and lost his father
Speaker 1: in the Sudanese Civil War and then ended up escaping,
Speaker 1: escaping that situation, came to America, taught himself English in
Speaker 1: six years, and ended up getting on Penn's campus, and
Speaker 1: he was the captain of the Penn basketball team for
Speaker 1: a couple of years, which is that's an incredible story.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe trauma was the trigger for him to
Speaker 1: realize his gifts, both in basketball and then more importantly
Speaker 1: in leadership and then developing a nonprofit under his father's
Speaker 1: name for other people. And I think Jack has a
Speaker 1: similar story where it was a family member who had
Speaker 1: pancredic cancer and he did just wanted to eradicate that disease.
Speaker 1: So I mean, trauma might be one of them. For entrepreneurship,
Speaker 1: there might just be this sense of like if someone
Speaker 1: else can do it, why can't I? And it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that I'm younger or older. If I have the hutzman,
Speaker 1: I have the work ethic, then why can't I go
Speaker 1: after my dreams? For you know, I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: where all the triggers were, but you can definitely see
Speaker 1: in the book that every single person is acting on
Speaker 1: their passions in life, and that is why they can
Speaker 1: be deemed prodigies. Yeah, it's an interesting line to look at.
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting line to look at. It. I
Speaker 1: really like these insights that you're giving here, you know,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of this look at developing talent and
Speaker 1: young people by Bloom, which is kind of considered like
Speaker 1: a bible for a lot of us in the field
Speaker 1: of talent development, and he identifies three kind of stages
Speaker 1: are things that are really important towards this path towards
Speaker 1: high performance or creativity. The first is really this play
Speaker 1: falling in love part of the equation is a very
Speaker 1: common stage among these young people who develop extraordinary talents.
Speaker 1: And then the second stage is more of a precision
Speaker 1: kind of methodology where they have mentors and they learn
Speaker 1: from people about technique. And then this third part is
Speaker 1: this purpose part where they kind of realize through all
Speaker 1: this work that it kind of forms a big your
Speaker 1: picture and they see where, you know, very specifically their
Speaker 1: passion fits into helping something beyond the self. Sure do
Speaker 1: you do you recognize these these three things and these
Speaker 1: people that you were talking to, Yeah, there's there's definitely
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the book that seeked out
Speaker 1: mentors along the way. I know, I've done it myself
Speaker 1: for my own journey, and Stacey's done it, and you know,
Speaker 1: definitely with the entrepreneurs in the book, you see them
Speaker 1: seeking the mentors that kind of would trigger the change,
Speaker 1: or would trigger the one book that they read that
Speaker 1: gave them the mindset shift that allow them to then
Speaker 1: go out and do their thing. Everyone in the book
Speaker 1: is really entrepreneurial actually, whether they're whether there entrepreneurs or not.
Speaker 1: You know. So we have singers in the book who
Speaker 1: have taken on their careers in different lights and have
Speaker 1: used the platform of singing to then also sign book
Speaker 1: deals and also sign fashion deals and then get paid
Speaker 1: to wear clothes and get paid to write, which are
Speaker 1: too passions of you know, Talia, who's our Scottish pop
Speaker 1: star in the book, and it's kind of cool to
Speaker 1: get paid to write and wear clothes if that's two
Speaker 1: things you enjoy, she probably, I don't like wearing clothes now.
Speaker 1: I would much prefer being naked all day. But it's
Speaker 1: the Jewish only naked podcast. I should do that that podcast.
Speaker 1: Who would I interview Jared? I don't know, just like
Speaker 1: naked Rabbis or something. I feel like that would be
Speaker 1: the most the weirdest podcast. It took me the name
Speaker 1: of your podcast, the Naked Rabbi Podcast. I mean, that
Speaker 1: would just be like so bizarre and yet amazing. A
Speaker 1: picture of a rabbi like covering his stuff with a
Speaker 1: keep up. Yeah yeah, well I are showing me, you know,
Speaker 1: dressed as a rabbi covering myself with a kill yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, maybe we should move on from that
Speaker 1: mental image now that our audience has that mental image
Speaker 1: deeply informed greens in their mind. This is great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, so okay,
Speaker 1: yeah you mentioned someone who likes to wear clothes and
Speaker 1: gets paid for doing it. Yes, so so Talia Tally
Speaker 1: is a cool story where actually that's a perfect mentor story.
Speaker 1: What's this person? Is this a female? Yep, Talia Storm.
Speaker 1: I'll put her in the show notes. She's a new
Speaker 1: version recording artist in Scotland. Okay. When she was thirteen,
Speaker 1: she was discovered by Elton John. Wow. She actually, you know,
Speaker 1: she had a cool opportunity where she was like on vacation.
Speaker 1: Do you know I actually discovered Elton John no way, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was thirteen. So we paid each pay these
Speaker 1: things back. And I think one of your amazing gifts
Speaker 1: is the use of sarcasm. Oh really, so if I
Speaker 1: made your book, if I made a book, that would
Speaker 1: be the only thing that you highlight about me eventually.
Speaker 1: But he's a sarcastic ass, basically the sarcastic naked rabbi.
Speaker 1: But no, she she was found by Elton John at thirteen,
Speaker 1: and by like fifteen or sixteen, was just you know,
Speaker 1: has tens of thousands of Twitter followers and Instagram followers.
Speaker 1: She's making a name for herself. She kind of sounds
Speaker 1: like Amy Winehouse for like the you know Amy Winehouse
Speaker 1: two point out and super talented. She looks really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now she's want to be your friend. So now
Speaker 1: she's not only a singer with Virgin Wow, she's getting
Speaker 1: paid to wear clothes. And then she's she's signed a
Speaker 1: two book book deal with Scholastic. So she you know,
Speaker 1: my point five minutes ago before Naked Rabbis and Mentors
Speaker 1: was that she's being really entrepreneurial about her career. And
Speaker 1: you know, she's not an entrepreneur by most people's like standards,
Speaker 1: or by like Silicon Valley standards. You know, she's not
Speaker 1: starting a software business yet, but she is thinking about
Speaker 1: her career entrepreneurially. And a lot of the contributors are
Speaker 1: thinking about their careers or their lives entrepreneurially and really
Speaker 1: taking it into their own hands to make their paths
Speaker 1: rather than rely on people to craft safety nets for
Speaker 1: them or offer them things, or wait for a job
Speaker 1: opening or opening to appear in life and then you
Speaker 1: applying or taking that. You have a lot of creators,
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of people thinking entrepreneurially about
Speaker 1: their careers and lives rather than accepting what's given to them.
Speaker 1: And I think that is that's different about millennials than
Speaker 1: maybe they're maybe our parents. Yeah, I mean that is
Speaker 1: that is a significant difference. What do you think that
Speaker 1: What are the cultural factors? It's more than just technology.
Speaker 1: What else is going on there? What? What is education different?
Speaker 1: I feel like education still stinks. Oh yeah, but maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's one of the big differences, is that it
Speaker 1: is really not doing well. And then you also see
Speaker 1: new alternatives that haven't been there before. It's while it
Speaker 1: may have stunk for our parents, there was less alternatives
Speaker 1: to education, and like my mom and dad weren't like,
Speaker 1: you know, dropping out of college without a huge taboo,
Speaker 1: whereas I've taken, you know, one gap year and I'm
Speaker 1: taking a second and still able to support myself financially
Speaker 1: and also kind of I'm sure it's a little taboo
Speaker 1: for some people, but I've found the tribe that doesn't
Speaker 1: find a taboo, and it's made it a lot easier
Speaker 1: to do. So do you think you may never go
Speaker 1: to college? It's a possibility. I wouldn't be the worst
Speaker 1: thing in the world, right, You could still become a
Speaker 1: multi billionaire entrepreneur. Yeah, I mean, I want to get
Speaker 1: to multi millionaire first and then worry about multi billionaire.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of necessary to get there first. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't be a multiplionaire without the first being a multimillionaire.
Speaker 1: Could you? Maybe you could? Why don't you count a
Speaker 1: two billion and we'll see you got a little sarcas
Speaker 1: sarcastic as in you too? Oh yeah, that's what I get.
Speaker 1: That's why we get along. Yeah, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think we connected since we first met, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear kind of what your thoughts
Speaker 1: are on all this because you're you're a professor, and
Speaker 1: you see very smart people at PEN all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of these same characteristics in
Speaker 1: some of your students? That absolutely without a doubt, But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say all, I'd stay you know, there are
Speaker 1: clearly some students who have are driven by some sort
Speaker 1: of purpose or some sort of guiding light that that
Speaker 1: other students haven't quite found yet. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I do see queer differences among the students,
Speaker 1: But I do think that we as teachers can can
Speaker 1: play the role in activating or inspiring students. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of my one of my job requirements, as I
Speaker 1: see it, is to help inspire students to realize some
Speaker 1: sort of future image of themselves or just to just
Speaker 1: be inspired to like learn the material on the course. Sure,
Speaker 1: I think that's important. I think so another you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's another reason why we created two billion
Speaker 1: under twenty is that, yes, we want to really inspire
Speaker 1: young people to act on their passions, and then we
Speaker 1: also want to send out kind of a radar to
Speaker 1: see who's out there and if there are really crazy, wacky,
Speaker 1: talented millennials that we don't know about for some reason,
Speaker 1: we want them to reach out and know about us
Speaker 1: so we can connect them to our online community and
Speaker 1: start doing cool stuff with them. But we also wrote
Speaker 1: the book to better educate educators and parents and people
Speaker 1: in corporate America about how millennials tick, because if you
Speaker 1: just read the media of the last five years or so,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get a pretty picture of millennials.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go if you go to Google
Speaker 1: right now and you type in millennials are, you'd be
Speaker 1: amazed to see, like what drops down in the auto
Speaker 1: suggestion Let's do it. Let's do it right now. Millennials
Speaker 1: are broke, stroked the worst. So nothing, I'm not making
Speaker 1: that up, folks. So when when we when we wrote
Speaker 1: the introduction to our book, the number one thing was
Speaker 1: I think it was stupid. So that's like how we
Speaker 1: started our book is like, millennials are stupid. But even
Speaker 1: if you there's there's some places where you can go
Speaker 1: and do that and you'll get ten dropdowns, you'll probably
Speaker 1: only get one of those dropdowns. That's positive, you know,
Speaker 1: so you'll have I wonder if that's more general phenomenon,
Speaker 1: Like if you type women are you get women are
Speaker 1: like bacon, Women are like chats. Women are better than men?
Speaker 1: Isn't that? Isn't that based on what people search for
Speaker 1: in Google? Why are people searching for women are like bacon?
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's weird. We can't talk about that
Speaker 1: on the Naked Jewish podcast though, because we're not at vacant.
Speaker 1: Of course, exactly right, that's exactly right. But but but
Speaker 1: this is this is my other podcast right now. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, So there's like, so like, give me something else.
Speaker 1: Let's see if anything men are let's do men are?
Speaker 1: Men are better than women. That's funny because women are
Speaker 1: better than men. Yeah, are better than when men are visual.
Speaker 1: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's not as bad. But I mean, are maybe just
Speaker 1: people on Google are just negative? I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think scientifically about this, Like maybe it's not specific millennials.
Speaker 1: What about let's say Generation X are slackers. So look,
Speaker 1: no one's good, no one, no one's positive. We need
Speaker 1: more positive search terms. Maybe your book will improve that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think I think reading these stories and you know,
Speaker 1: seeing that it's seventy five people and then really, you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds in our online community. It's not just the one
Speaker 1: off feature on ABC or Fox that you're going to
Speaker 1: see the successful young person doing something like building a
Speaker 1: nuclear fusion reactor. And then it's like, oh, great, you
Speaker 1: know little Timmy who's seventeen built a nuclear phasion reactor.
Speaker 1: Let's all pat him on the back, and then Timmy
Speaker 1: goes back to his normal life. No, this is a
Speaker 1: generational message coming to you from people from over twenty
Speaker 1: different countries and literally all walks of life. It's hard
Speaker 1: not to take note of this, and it's hard not
Speaker 1: to look at what trends can come out of this
Speaker 1: in terms of millennials. So I think it really can
Speaker 1: open up the eyes of educators, of parents, of you know,
Speaker 1: people in corporate America about how millennials tick. And I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be another great byproduct of this book.
Speaker 1: I really hope so. And I think I agree that
Speaker 1: that's a good, big possibility for So I want to
Speaker 1: wrap up here and just tell me any other projects
Speaker 1: that you're excited that you're working on right now. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Stacy and I are going to be launching companies underneath
Speaker 1: the two billion unt or twenty brands, So our intentions
Speaker 1: are definitely not just a book. Our intentions are a
Speaker 1: lot greater than that. Can't announce exactly what company or
Speaker 1: companies we're going to be building yet, but the Naked
Speaker 1: Rabbi Company unfortunately not Stacy's not Jewish unfortunately, but you know,
Speaker 1: naked Rabbis really don't mind, yeah, interacting with people who
Speaker 1: are not, but okay, go on. Yes, I think one
Speaker 1: of our ventures will be to go to the Fortune
Speaker 1: five hundred and go to the larger companies and help
Speaker 1: them better market to millennials, better higher millennials, better retain
Speaker 1: top young talent. I think will also be doing initiatives
Speaker 1: to continue growing the two Billion under twenty online community
Speaker 1: and maybe even bring it offline, but just continue providing
Speaker 1: more value to the people that we profiled in the
Speaker 1: book and you know, the people that end up reading
Speaker 1: the book. So I think those will be the two
Speaker 1: of the things we really focused on postbook launch. And
Speaker 1: then I've been growing my speaking business, so I've been
Speaker 1: traveling around the world and talking about two Billion under twenty,
Speaker 1: talking about millennials in the world place talking about youth entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually getting ready to pitch my second book
Speaker 1: to publishers in August, so that'll be exciting. Dude, you
Speaker 1: don't need like the kids don't go to college, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying with you, coming from the pen professor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, that's that's good irresponsible in me, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think college is for everyone. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you've you know, for right now while you're
Speaker 1: on this path and you're you're cooking on all fours,
Speaker 1: you know, I say, just keep going, and I wish
Speaker 1: you all the best, Chared, I think. I think that's
Speaker 1: the stance I take, and that two billion under twenty
Speaker 1: two billion under twenty takes, is that do what's best
Speaker 1: for you. You You know, if if you're conscious about your goals,
Speaker 1: you're conscious about what options you have, and college makes
Speaker 1: sense to do, then by all means, go do it
Speaker 1: and make sure you're getting a return from your educational investment.
Speaker 1: And if it means like taking a gap year, which
Speaker 1: is the focus of my second book, then by all
Speaker 1: means take a gap year and then reevaluate. If it
Speaker 1: means Okay, like, turn the jets on. I got to
Speaker 1: be building businesses. Are you inventing a cure for cancer
Speaker 1: and that needs no college right now? Then don't do it?
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's really just being conscious about your
Speaker 1: decisions and then going with what's best for you. Cool man, Well,
Speaker 1: you're definitely leading a charge on this new philosophy, the
Speaker 1: philosophy of the millennials. Yeah, I hope so. So keep
Speaker 1: up the great work and thanks for being on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to The Psychology
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