Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batcher Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1: We are here today with one of Joe's final four men.
Speaker 1: Jonathan is here. Jonathan, you are in. So before every season,
Speaker 1: Serena and I pick our final four guys just based
Speaker 1: off of headshots.
Speaker 2: We're kind of inconsistent with it, to be honest, but
Speaker 2: this season we picked just based off of headshots.
Speaker 1: You're one of the guys that I picked, Joe.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: So let's well, first of all, how are you you
Speaker 1: doing good?
Speaker 4: I'm doing good, man, you know, just just living the dream,
Speaker 4: taking one day at a time, and you know.
Speaker 3: All's good.
Speaker 1: How how old are you?
Speaker 3: I'm sixty one?
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about like routine. What what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Are you? Are you going to the
Speaker 1: gym every day? What are you eating?
Speaker 2: Joe is trying to find the secret to anti agent.
Speaker 2: You look amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I appreciate that. Okay.
Speaker 4: So my secret, my secret sauce is two cups of
Speaker 4: coffee every morning. Okay, coffee's already made. I said it
Speaker 4: for like two thirty three o'clock in the morning. That way,
Speaker 4: when I wake up about maybe four o'clock. I just
Speaker 4: go grab a cup sugar creamer, crawl back in bed,
Speaker 4: and I savor that first cup with a lot of
Speaker 4: just kind of thinking about my day, do a little praying,
Speaker 4: do a little meditating.
Speaker 1: I could do that.
Speaker 3: That's so far.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna have him up in bed next to
Speaker 2: me doing deep breathing and meditation at four in the morning, now, okay.
Speaker 4: So okay, all Serena. The important thing is that you
Speaker 4: got to let him. You gotta let him drink the
Speaker 4: coffee in silence.
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with silence.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So and then uh, and then as far as like
Speaker 4: you know, working out and stuff. You know, I try
Speaker 4: to get to the gym, you know, three to four
Speaker 4: times a week. I do five sets of twenty reps
Speaker 4: with incremental weight. So whether it's my chest, my arms
Speaker 4: kind of like ignored my lower for my legs and
Speaker 4: so I need to focus on that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of skiing leg day, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: I know, I skip like le leg days are tough,
Speaker 4: and so so I'm paying the price because I get
Speaker 4: a little lower back pains every now and then, and
Speaker 4: my core could be stronger, but I'm a sweet tooth.
Speaker 4: You know if you put a if you put a
Speaker 4: dozen Krispy Kremes in front of me, I'll eat all.
Speaker 3: I'll eat all twelve, just like that cream shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: The secret to those is I had a friend whose
Speaker 2: dad worked in like corporate for Krispy Kreme, and I
Speaker 2: guess if you put them in the microwave for ten seconds,
Speaker 2: they come out the exact same consistency as if they
Speaker 2: were freshly made in the store. So when it's such
Speaker 2: a random fact. But when I was on the dance
Speaker 2: Stupan University, we used to do Krispy Cream fundraisers because
Speaker 2: we had this hookup and we would take the box
Speaker 2: home and we would put like one at a time
Speaker 2: ten seconds eat, ten seconds eat through the bust and.
Speaker 3: They met and they melt like butter in your mouth.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, you know what you're You put
Speaker 4: one in and it's like you got to get another one.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, they're they're good, good stuff.
Speaker 2: And then are you still working?
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm still working.
Speaker 4: I worked for a kind of a consulting company, kind
Speaker 4: of in the shipping area of a lot of materials,
Speaker 4: books and things like that. So so, yeah, still working
Speaker 4: and I'll probably I'll probably be working until you know,
Speaker 4: I've got my daughter sixteen.
Speaker 3: My son is uh, he's in the seventh grade.
Speaker 4: So my plan is that I'll continue to work until
Speaker 4: they're both they both have a are kind of on
Speaker 4: their own path and doing their own independent thing.
Speaker 1: How do your kids feel about you being the gole
Speaker 1: to match are at?
Speaker 3: Well, at first, they were shot.
Speaker 4: You know, they were shock because you know, they had
Speaker 4: no idea of what what this journey was going to
Speaker 4: be like. You know, they just know that it was
Speaker 4: a TV show and and thinking that I was going
Speaker 4: to be on TV was a shock to them. But
Speaker 4: they're super happy. He's super ecstatic about it. My my daughter,
Speaker 4: my sixteen year old daughter. Of course, you know, she's
Speaker 4: a little you know, she wants to make sure that
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do anything crazy on TV that's
Speaker 4: going to embarrass her in front of her friends and
Speaker 4: things like that. And my son, you know what, he's
Speaker 4: just a really thoughtful little guy. He's giving me some
Speaker 4: good feedback, you know, like on some of the pictures.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, he'll say, like, Dad, you you look
Speaker 4: so handsome, and he's really proud of me.
Speaker 3: They're both proud of me, they're both happy about it.
Speaker 2: So oh that's so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you? How did you? How did you
Speaker 1: get on the show?
Speaker 4: It was just something that just kind of came out
Speaker 4: of the blue, you know, A cast and producer kind
Speaker 4: of reached out through one of my social medias and
Speaker 4: saw some pictures of me and kind of the idea
Speaker 4: out there to me, and.
Speaker 3: I was shocked.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I mean this, this was
Speaker 4: a point where I was like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like the Golden the Golden Bachelorette. I didn't think
Speaker 4: about my age at the time, but I was like,
Speaker 4: there's no one that's going to be on the show
Speaker 4: that I'm going to be interested in because everyone's going
Speaker 4: to be older. And and then it made me realize
Speaker 4: is like, well, wait a minute, Jonathan, you're sixty one
Speaker 4: years old. And then I related to Jones's story of
Speaker 4: she's sixty one, and so I actually listened to the
Speaker 4: I listened to the program more. I watched it. I
Speaker 4: resonated with a lot of the topics, and so so
Speaker 4: I entertained the thought about going on the show. I mean,
Speaker 4: it took me some time to really commit to it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's that's how that's how it happened.
Speaker 1: What was what was dating life for you? Like before
Speaker 1: you went.
Speaker 4: On h hit her, miss hit her miss you know,
Speaker 4: you know, being living in Oakland, Iowa, a town of
Speaker 4: about fifteen hundred people, there's there's no one in my
Speaker 4: dating pool. So you know what, you know, I have
Speaker 4: to reach out to social media to see if I
Speaker 4: can connect with someone. You know, there was always the distance, uh,
Speaker 4: kind of a factor with me being in a small town.
Speaker 4: And so my last my last relationship lasted about a
Speaker 4: year and I met a girl online and she was
Speaker 4: from Norway, and I was pretty impulsive, and you know,
Speaker 4: I ended up flying over to Norway to meet her,
Speaker 4: and she she flew to the States and met me
Speaker 4: here a couple of times, and so, uh, it was
Speaker 4: it was a good relationship, but it was difficult because
Speaker 4: that's quite a distance. It's like over four thousand miles away,
Speaker 4: and a lot of things to consider, and so it
Speaker 4: became more of it became more of a kind of
Speaker 4: a a fantasy kind of a thing that I was
Speaker 4: involved in, and it took me out of my reality.
Speaker 4: It took me out of my present day, my responsibilities
Speaker 4: of doing things for my kids, my job and things
Speaker 4: like that, and so uh so, the so the dating
Speaker 4: life has been kind of hit or miss. It's always
Speaker 4: there's always been a distance kind of an issue with me.
Speaker 4: But you know what, I've never given up on it. Though.
Speaker 1: If if you don't mind me asking, and if you
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable answering this, you know, just say it.
Speaker 1: But how is your relationship like now with your ex wife?
Speaker 4: You know, I'll say, my h I would have to say,
Speaker 4: it's amicable. You know that that word amicable, it's it's amicable.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's unfortunately I have to say, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's really not a friendship because of the way things
Speaker 4: went down according to me and my book, so my
Speaker 4: my certain boundaries, my values of you know, from the
Speaker 4: moment that we decide to get married and have children,
Speaker 4: there was something there that there.
Speaker 3: Were some things there that meant a lot to me.
Speaker 4: And and in a sense that was you know, it
Speaker 4: wasn't what she wanted anymore, and.
Speaker 3: Uh it would it would.
Speaker 4: Probably be different if the I mean, I I wish
Speaker 4: there was a friendship, but I think that there are
Speaker 4: some things there that I'm not sure if it's because
Speaker 4: I'm a Scorpio that once you cross the line with
Speaker 4: me that there's once once you have bad blood, it's
Speaker 4: like it's kind of no going back unless you can
Speaker 4: really have a conversation and both people can be authentic
Speaker 4: and genuine about it with a lot of humility and humbleness.
Speaker 4: I think that's I mean, I'd still be open to that,
Speaker 4: but right now, I think it's just amicable.
Speaker 3: We're doing things for the kids, you know.
Speaker 2: I relate to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Scorpio power rule.
Speaker 1: I'm an aries, uh Joe Aries.
Speaker 4: I think I did in aries once, and I think
Speaker 4: Scorpios and arial ares, I mean, I we kind of
Speaker 4: bumped heads.
Speaker 2: So they can they can bump heads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really don't really.
Speaker 2: We don't, but we're an exception. But yeah, both there's
Speaker 2: a lot of intensity usually in the relationship with aries
Speaker 2: and Scorpios. But did you watch the show or how
Speaker 2: familiar were you at the show before you went on it?
Speaker 1: The Bachelor or The Golden Bachelor, the franchise in general.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: From the from the from day one when when The
Speaker 4: Bachelor came out, I was watching. I was a big
Speaker 4: fan of it.
Speaker 1: Do you have like a favorite season you could think
Speaker 1: of or a favorite pass lead.
Speaker 4: I think my favorite season, h gosh, you know what
Speaker 4: I was. I was really impressed with the with the
Speaker 4: zid Dale and Rachel season.
Speaker 2: Dale and Claire Claire Claire, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Claire.
Speaker 3: I mean I was.
Speaker 4: I mean you, Dale's is pretty cool looking dude when
Speaker 4: you walk out of the limousine.
Speaker 3: You know, he just had this strut.
Speaker 4: To me, he had this nice smile and and he
Speaker 4: just not clear off her feet and She's like, I
Speaker 4: think I just met my husband. I was like, that
Speaker 4: moment was like something and uh, that was That was
Speaker 4: my favorite. I think that was one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was iconic. Yeah, that was a special one.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them it didn't work, but I.
Speaker 2: Think but the moment still stands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and you know what that and that was
Speaker 4: That was my old thing, like with the blindfold is
Speaker 4: like I believe in love at first sight, and so
Speaker 4: that kind of moment is like, you know, that's that's
Speaker 4: what I was like envisioning, you know that if if
Speaker 4: Joan and I, Joan and my eyes met for the
Speaker 4: first time and we had that kind of connection, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what I was.
Speaker 3: Looking for, you know, because that's the that's a very powerful.
Speaker 4: First moment between two people when you feel that it
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be you know, forced or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that was that was my favorites.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that that moment inspired your entrance.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you have like a type as Joan similar to
Speaker 2: the type of woman that usually date?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, you know, she's blonde,
Speaker 4: it's got the tall, thin frame, uh, sparkly blue eyes,
Speaker 4: great smile, you know, and she has a certain sense
Speaker 4: of grace and classiciness about her.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of like a kind of like my style.
Speaker 1: So going back to that moment of stepping out of
Speaker 1: the limo, what was was there was there a spark
Speaker 1: between you and Joan immediately? Did you feel that?
Speaker 4: I think there was, you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: and I from the moment I got into limo, I
Speaker 4: put the blind pholt on because I didn't want to
Speaker 4: see the ride up there. I didn't want to see
Speaker 4: uh Joan. Yeah, I didn't want to see Joan as
Speaker 4: the limo pulled up. I mean I was completely blindfolded
Speaker 4: on the right to there.
Speaker 3: To that moment. So when I stepped out, I mean
Speaker 3: I was I was anxious, I was nervous.
Speaker 1: And then when you you basically kidnapped yourself.
Speaker 3: Self sabotage, I think they called it.
Speaker 2: I can't see they're taking me to an unknown location.
Speaker 2: It's they're going to keep me there for days.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I remember they're saying like, okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 4: gonna open the door. And I heard the door open.
Speaker 4: I didn't know which direction I was gonna be stepping.
Speaker 4: The only thing I was that was guiding me to
Speaker 4: Joan was Joan's voice, and.
Speaker 3: So it was like a leap of faith.
Speaker 4: It was like a big risk, and so I with
Speaker 4: every step, I was hoping that I was going in
Speaker 4: the right direction. And then the moment she reached out
Speaker 4: and grabbed my hand, Uh, there was a certain sense
Speaker 4: of there was That was the first connection. I mean,
Speaker 4: her voice, and then when she grabbed my hand, it
Speaker 4: was like I felt a certain sense of security and
Speaker 4: safety with her. And then being in that moment and
Speaker 4: knowing that I was in front of her was a
Speaker 4: very surreal moment. Then I said what I had to say,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like the deer in the headlight
Speaker 4: moment and I got it out, and then when she
Speaker 4: took the blindfold off, I mean, I was just so
Speaker 4: overwhelmed with emotion that I was actually there in that moment.
Speaker 3: It was real.
Speaker 4: It was so real, and I saw our eyes for
Speaker 4: the first time, and I felt the connection. I did
Speaker 4: fill a connection with her, you know, and then whatever
Speaker 4: has to follow after that was like, you know, up
Speaker 4: to both of us.
Speaker 1: So wow, you really hey, I feel like you really
Speaker 1: experienced experience. You were really in the moment in that moment.
Speaker 1: Because there's so many people that we asked that question too,
Speaker 1: and myself being one of them, where it's like you
Speaker 1: act like I think a lot of people really black
Speaker 1: out during that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most common answer is like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I said. I don't even
Speaker 2: remember it. I just completely blacked out because the nerves
Speaker 2: and the anticipation are so high. But yeah, it does
Speaker 2: sound like, especially with the blindfold, you were really in
Speaker 2: the moment, kind of taking taking it all in, very present.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you step into the house and then you realize,
Speaker 1: oh wait, there's a bunch of other guys here. What
Speaker 1: was what was that like meeting the guys. Did you
Speaker 1: think you were going to get along with everybody?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, well, it was.
Speaker 4: It was nerve wracking for me because it kind of
Speaker 4: took me back to almost like my high school days
Speaker 4: because you know, I.
Speaker 3: Was you know, I was I mean, I was a
Speaker 3: kid that.
Speaker 4: Had little low self esteem issues and so put myself
Speaker 4: in a group of people for the first time is
Speaker 4: like comparing myself to other people. And so in this
Speaker 4: particular croud of guys, I'm like, you know, I'm comparing
Speaker 4: myself to well, what does this guy do?
Speaker 3: You know, is he reached? Does he have a business?
Speaker 3: And blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm kind of going on mind space, you know,
Speaker 4: just having a bunch of monkey mind about things. But
Speaker 4: there was a lot of laughter, there was a lot
Speaker 4: of camaraderie from the instance, and you know, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, you got twenty four guys that are like
Speaker 4: in their sixties and above, and there's a certain sense
Speaker 4: of maturity that, you know what. I was able to
Speaker 4: like get over that and uh and just kind of
Speaker 4: break the ice with everybody.
Speaker 3: And so so yeah, it was. It was a fun night.
Speaker 3: It was a fun night.
Speaker 1: Were there any guys, we see Keith gets the first
Speaker 1: impression Rose. Were there any guys that you thought stood
Speaker 1: out their relationship with Joan that made you a little
Speaker 1: nervous immediately?
Speaker 3: Other than myself?
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know if you were sized that, you know,
Speaker 1: if you cause I would feel the same way, you know,
Speaker 1: you want It's still there's still a competition aspect to it.
Speaker 1: And you walk in the house and in there there's
Speaker 1: twenty something guys trying to date one woman, and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: but if she likes him, I don't know if she's
Speaker 1: gonna like me kind of a thing.
Speaker 3: Right right, I'll get you.
Speaker 4: There were I would have to say there were like two, well,
Speaker 4: one Mark being the you know Mark. It's like, you
Speaker 4: know what, you know, I think all the guys kind
Speaker 4: of knew that, uh, you know, Mark's there because Kelsey
Speaker 4: was like, you know, kind of put him in that
Speaker 4: position with her hometown and fans kind of was just
Speaker 4: already automatically attracted to him, and so it was good
Speaker 4: to see Mark there. And so so that was one
Speaker 4: guy that I felt that might have stood out in
Speaker 4: Jones mind.
Speaker 3: And then the other one.
Speaker 4: Was Pascal because Pascal has got the you know, the French,
Speaker 4: the French accent, you know, and then this whole demeanor
Speaker 4: is like okay, well you know, what is she going
Speaker 4: to be attracted to? And an accent and you know,
Speaker 4: this kind of flamboyant personality. So those were the couple
Speaker 4: guys I always say in the beginning that I thought
Speaker 4: probably was going to catch Jones eye.
Speaker 1: Were you were you making Pascal smoothies? Did you? Did
Speaker 1: you stick to that?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, no, not me. I'm not the one.
Speaker 3: I am not the one to do that.
Speaker 2: Pascal's like, there's no one working in this house. Well
Speaker 2: the other guys, they'll be working for me now, right exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean that that whole personality of being high maintenance,
Speaker 4: I mean was like Pascal, that's that's for sure. It
Speaker 4: was entertaining that.
Speaker 2: You can say that is very entertaining. Let's go to
Speaker 2: the prom date. You obviously shined on that date. We
Speaker 2: saw you one prom king with Joan, which was an
Speaker 2: amazing moment. We also saw that you didn't go to
Speaker 2: your prom. What did that date mean to you? It
Speaker 2: seemed like it might have been kind of a healing experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a It was definitely a healing experience because
Speaker 4: you know, back in high school in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I had the courage to you know,
Speaker 4: ask a girl out the prom. I mean, problem is
Speaker 4: a big thing, a new experience, first time experience, you know,
Speaker 4: and I had the courage to ask and it was accepted,
Speaker 4: and so I felt I felt accepted.
Speaker 3: I was excited about going.
Speaker 4: And then like the week before the prom, I mean,
Speaker 4: she decided not to go, and that just crushed me.
Speaker 4: And as I said in the show, it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, forty three years later, I'm going to my
Speaker 4: first prom, and it was that was a spiritual experience
Speaker 4: for me. I was happy, ecstatic about it, you know,
Speaker 4: and had the opportunity for to share that story with
Speaker 4: with Joan, and she listened and she cared about it,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, it was it was a great experience.
Speaker 1: And at this point in the show, like that night
Speaker 1: and like after that night, where are your feelings at
Speaker 1: with Joan?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are they getting serious?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah I was. I was getting seriously you know,
Speaker 3: I felt like I felt like her king.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I felt like you know what
Speaker 4: she uh.
Speaker 3: She validated me.
Speaker 4: She and you know, she made me feel special, you know,
Speaker 4: to to be uh, to be chosen as the King.
Speaker 4: You know, over all the other guys that were there
Speaker 4: on the date, because you know, everybody was there dressed
Speaker 4: up and there you know, and their their best gear
Speaker 4: that we had to chee.
Speaker 3: Was from doing all the dance moves.
Speaker 4: Everyone had their chance a little one on one time
Speaker 4: with her, whether it's taking pictures with her or holding
Speaker 4: her hand, taking her out into a game. And so
Speaker 4: what I have to say with her resonated with her.
Speaker 4: And when she said my name, I mean that just god,
Speaker 4: it still makes me a little emotional when I think
Speaker 4: about when she said Jonathan, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful moment. I was really happy with that.
Speaker 2: So you weren't expecting it. You weren't expecting her to
Speaker 2: call you from from King.
Speaker 4: I think everyone has to be. I mean I was
Speaker 4: expecting it, you know. I think I think probably each
Speaker 4: of the other guys was probably expecting it, but.
Speaker 1: Just kind of act when it's when it's act.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of shocked because you know, because because I
Speaker 4: think it probably took me back to my high school days,
Speaker 4: like you know what, it's like, well, she's not.
Speaker 3: Gonna pick me.
Speaker 4: Is that low self esteem kind of thing that no
Speaker 4: matter how well dressed I was or tried to be,
Speaker 4: or the dance moves that I tried to be, or
Speaker 4: engaging and attracted that I tried to be, that she's
Speaker 4: not gonna pick me. There's always gonna be somebody better
Speaker 4: than me. And that's what I that's what I grew
Speaker 4: up with, as you know, a teenager twenties and thirties,
Speaker 4: and the fact that she that she called my name
Speaker 4: was exciting.
Speaker 1: Nice. All right, So let's let's let's jump to the
Speaker 1: current episode, and you are the guy that gets one
Speaker 1: on one and we see you're a little you're a
Speaker 1: little upset because you wanted to you felt more comfortable
Speaker 1: going in the group date, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's your nerves of potentially going on the one
Speaker 1: on one date with Joan and potentially going home from
Speaker 1: that one on one date. But yeah, what just walk
Speaker 1: us through your thought process in that moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a sense, as odd as it sounds, it's like,
Speaker 4: I wanted to go on the group date because I
Speaker 4: know what it means to go on on one on
Speaker 4: one date. That if if there's not a connection and
Speaker 4: you don't get that rose, I mean, then that journey ends.
Speaker 4: And you know, I was like, I wasn't ready for
Speaker 4: my journey to end, and so I wanted to play
Speaker 4: it safe and go on that group date.
Speaker 3: And so when my name was called or too.
Speaker 4: Or that I knew that I was going on the
Speaker 4: one on one date with Joan, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 4: I was excited, but I was really really terrified, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean to the point that I was like, I
Speaker 4: was actually seeing myself not getting the roads on the
Speaker 4: one on one date.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was scary, Yeah, I can imagine. And then so
Speaker 1: you guys are riding horseback riding, yes, And then can
Speaker 1: you do you remember the moment where Joan sees a
Speaker 1: hawk and it reminds her of her husband?
Speaker 3: You know, I can. I can faintly.
Speaker 4: I can faintly remember that because I mean, there was
Speaker 4: just this open, open territory of all this this beautiful landscape,
Speaker 4: and you know, we're we're I'm trying, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: keep up with her on my horse, you know. Reason,
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't know whether to kick kick my
Speaker 4: my feet the horse on the side to get him
Speaker 4: to go a little faster, but she she had the lead.
Speaker 4: So but I I do faintly remember her saying something
Speaker 4: about a hawk, and uh, those little moments like that,
Speaker 4: I think at that moment, I think it was I
Speaker 4: was just caught up in the spirituality of that of
Speaker 4: that experience because it was just so open. I have
Speaker 4: Native American in my in my background chip wye on
Speaker 4: jibwei blackfoot on my father's side, and so those little
Speaker 4: symbols of like a hawk and actually too on the
Speaker 4: ride there, once we got in to that to that area,
Speaker 4: I remember my head was kind of pressed against the
Speaker 4: window just looking out and this dragonfly like just came
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, like hovering on the outside of the window,
Speaker 4: like looking at me, like who are you? Why are
Speaker 4: you here? What's your purpose? He was just hovering and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden just vanished and blew away.
Speaker 4: And and at that moment it made me think, gosh,
Speaker 4: who am I?
Speaker 3: Why am I here? What's my purpose?
Speaker 4: And that moment that connection of like I'm here for Joan,
Speaker 4: And it was a really really expiritual experience for me
Speaker 4: and to hear the you know, the symbol of the symbolism,
Speaker 4: you know what the hawk meant for Joan, and being
Speaker 4: out in that moment was a really special moment.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you guys really were able to connect.
Speaker 2: On the date. We'll get more into, you know, the
Speaker 2: conversation you had later on about your divorce with Joan,
Speaker 2: but just during the day portion, it seems like you
Speaker 2: guys are having an amazing time. Were you still feeling
Speaker 2: that fear of what if I don't get the roads
Speaker 2: at the end of this or were you able to
Speaker 2: kind of let go of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that completely left my mind, you know, I was.
Speaker 4: I was like in the moment, I was. I was
Speaker 4: completely present with Joan. I was completely present with the nature,
Speaker 4: present with the horses, and I was what was out
Speaker 4: my mind was to see where our connection is going
Speaker 4: to go from this, from this this ride, and so
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about the roads. I was just trying
Speaker 4: to be I was just trying to be there in
Speaker 4: the moment and present with Joan, just to give her
Speaker 4: as much.
Speaker 3: Jonathan as much as she needed to see who I
Speaker 3: was as a guy.
Speaker 1: Serena and I were just in Copenhagen and there was
Speaker 1: this beautiful moment where a hornet came up and then
Speaker 1: it fucking stung me in my hand, and it was
Speaker 1: it was the horne of telling me I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten the cheeseburger. I'm still really upset about that. And
Speaker 1: the night portion with Joe.
Speaker 2: I thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, guys, the night portion with Joan,
Speaker 1: we do see you be more vulnerable and open up
Speaker 1: and talk about your divorce. How is that received and
Speaker 1: in Yeah, just talk us through that moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a tough situation to kind of open up. Uh,
Speaker 4: that that wound, so to speak.
Speaker 1: But you know what, were you expecting to have that
Speaker 1: conversation this soon?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay for me.
Speaker 4: For me, it was like the one on one from
Speaker 4: what I've seen in the shows in the past. You
Speaker 4: know that one on one that that date, you're looking
Speaker 4: for vulnerability. You're looking to share something that's really really
Speaker 4: happened in your life, that's impact, that's impacted, that impackaged
Speaker 4: your life, the hurt, the pain, the vulnerability to be
Speaker 4: honest to share that no matter what the risk that
Speaker 4: if you share it, you don't know if it's going
Speaker 4: to be rejected or not. And so, uh, there's no
Speaker 4: way to hide my divorce. You know, what happened happened.
Speaker 4: I recovered from it, and I'm a single father. I'm
Speaker 4: doing the best I can for my kids, for myself,
Speaker 4: and so how it happened, I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 4: other details that I you know, I wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that I you know, I wanted to make sure
Speaker 4: that I didn't say anything out of my own hurt
Speaker 4: that's gonna, in a sense, be negative towards my ex wife,
Speaker 4: you know. And but I wanted Joan too to know that.
Speaker 4: And I think that in sharing some of those details
Speaker 4: that the pain and the hurt is just going to
Speaker 4: naturally just come out.
Speaker 3: As I say it.
Speaker 4: And she picked up on that, and uh it felt
Speaker 4: good that she was very receptive of that, and she
Speaker 4: cared about that, she cared about my feelings, you know.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, that was a very important reveal for me,
Speaker 4: because you know, there was a lot that I wanted
Speaker 4: to let her know that, you know what, the moment
Speaker 4: that I proposed to my wife, I was ready for
Speaker 4: the commitment, the moment that we decided to have children,
Speaker 4: I was ready to be a father. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to see I wanted her to see those values in
Speaker 4: me and what I wanted. And for me and my values,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know what, the ups and the downs,
Speaker 4: that's what commitment means to me, the ups and the downs,
Speaker 4: the good and the bad, whatever, we get through it together,
Speaker 4: and it just doesn't for me, and in the relationship
Speaker 4: of the friendship and a divorce, just it completely blindsided me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: You talked about the comparison of packing your bags after
Speaker 2: your marriage had ended and also packing your bags to
Speaker 2: go on the one on one date. What was that moment, like,
Speaker 2: did you feel like it was kind of healing in
Speaker 2: any way? Do you feel like it was really traumatic?
Speaker 3: That was a rough moment because.
Speaker 4: There was something that I felt that I wasn't worthy,
Speaker 4: and everyone was sit around the couch area and I
Speaker 4: just snuck out, like no one even noticed that I left.
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, you know what I felt
Speaker 4: that feeling for no one's going to notice if I leave.
Speaker 4: And I went upstairs and I started packing my bags
Speaker 4: because I made the decision that I was ready to leave,
Speaker 4: and the moment that I unzipped my suitcase, it was
Speaker 4: almost like I opened a wound. In my heart, and
Speaker 4: it brought me back to the divorce where the moment
Speaker 4: that I had to pack my bags and get out
Speaker 4: of the house was that feeling. And in a sense,
Speaker 4: I was unzipping my luggage to pack to get out
Speaker 4: of the house. And if you don't want someone to
Speaker 4: see or hurt, you know, they're not going to see it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so yeah, I I'm thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: for bringing that up, because that was very you know,
Speaker 4: because that was a very important moment for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like your journey, like this has been
Speaker 1: to this point has been a rollercoaster for you. And
Speaker 1: then receiving the rose after your date with Joan, did
Speaker 1: that validate your feelings and did you feel like this
Speaker 1: could actually be my person or at.
Speaker 2: The very least a sense of acceptance from her.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, totally validated.
Speaker 4: When I got the rose after all of those emotions
Speaker 4: and things like that, It's like, you know what I
Speaker 4: said to myself, Jonathan, It's okay, whatever happens after this
Speaker 4: point is okay. You got the rose. You know, as
Speaker 4: she sees something in you, she cares about you to
Speaker 4: keep you. So at that point I was like, well,
Speaker 4: whatever happens happens. I felt validated and I was going
Speaker 4: to be okay with whatever outcome happened.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm. So the end of the day, you
Speaker 2: were happy to not be on the group day.
Speaker 1: You still want it to go on that group You
Speaker 1: would have did great on that kickball day.
Speaker 3: Well, you know it.
Speaker 4: From what I am, from what I've seen, I'm glad
Speaker 4: I didn't go because if I would have pulled a
Speaker 4: hamstring or like you know, uh frast you know, my
Speaker 4: face on the ground, something like that.
Speaker 2: No horseback riding a little more you romantic and comfort.
Speaker 1: You won this episode. That was that was that was
Speaker 1: the one to get Okay, We're gonna play a little
Speaker 1: game rapid fire, get to know me with Jonathan. First
Speaker 1: thing that easy, easy questions first, that first thing that
Speaker 1: comes to your mind, rapid Fighter. All right, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite food or cuisine?
Speaker 3: Steak?
Speaker 1: What's your go to comfort movie or show?
Speaker 3: Jud Judy?
Speaker 1: What's one one thing you would tell your younger self,
Speaker 1: be honest, what's your favorite way to spend the day off.
Speaker 3: Napping?
Speaker 1: What's a deal breaker for you.
Speaker 3: Smoking?
Speaker 1: If you could go, if you could have any superpower,
Speaker 1: what would it be flying? What is your go to
Speaker 1: drink at a bar?
Speaker 3: I don't drink, But what do you want my go
Speaker 3: to drink that I did drink?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, Grandma Nier, when did you stop drinking twenty
Speaker 1: one years ago? Okay?
Speaker 2: And then so if you were to go out for dinner,
Speaker 2: what's your drink of choice? It's not alcoholic?
Speaker 3: Uh, coke with a wedge of line.
Speaker 1: What's the best concert you've ever been to?
Speaker 3: Prince?
Speaker 1: What's your go to karaoke song? Oh?
Speaker 4: God, Hi, yeah yay? Under the Bridge by the Red
Speaker 4: Hot Chili Peppers.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that song.
Speaker 1: What's the most advent truest thing you've done?
Speaker 3: Go to Norway?
Speaker 1: What is your love language?
Speaker 3: Physical touch and acts of service?
Speaker 1: If you could describe Jones's season of The Golden Bachelorette
Speaker 1: and what word in one word? What would it be.
Speaker 3: In one word? Jones's season amazing?
Speaker 1: Amazing. Jonathan, Thank you very much for taking the time
Speaker 1: out of your day and chatting with us. It was
Speaker 1: really fun getting to know you, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to watch more of you and the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're excited to see where your journey with Joan goes.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Guysia thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: And guess what I'm going to do after this one
Speaker 4: of my favorite things that you just asked.
Speaker 3: I'm going to take a.
Speaker 2: Nice You deserve it.
Speaker 1: And to all our listeners, thank you for tuning in
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Speaker 2: We will have more recaps and exclusive interviews of Jones
Speaker 2: season of the Golden baucher Arette coming your way. So
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. Bye,