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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle as we celebrate the nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineties Super Bowl champion Giants. It's presented by bud Light.

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Speaker 1: I'm Paul to Tino. Head coach Bill Parcels directed the

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Speaker 1: Giants to a stunning fifteen to thirteen victory in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco for the NFC title that wind set the stage

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Speaker 1: for a dramatic nineteen Super Bowl upset over Buffalo Bill. Recently,

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to Mark Bovaro, who

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Speaker 1: told me that he had only watched the TV tape

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowl a few weeks back, and he said

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Speaker 1: the things that struck him was that he didn't truly

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Speaker 1: realize how great his teammates were, especially on defense, and

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Speaker 1: that so many people didn't think that the Giants could

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Speaker 1: win that game. And it still sticks out to him

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Speaker 1: and that's what makes that game so special, and he

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Speaker 1: appreciates it so much. Well, I agree with the sentiment

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Speaker 1: that there were not too many people that thought we

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Speaker 1: could win the game, But that actually was the third

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Speaker 1: time that we had played Buffalo that year. We played

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Speaker 1: them the first preseason game in Buffalo, and I know

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Speaker 1: it's only preseason, but we had a very very large

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Speaker 1: I don't put much freedence in all of that, because

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Speaker 1: preseason is very different than the regular seas, but that's

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Speaker 1: still it was kind of in my head and in

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Speaker 1: the player's head. Now, we played them in New York,

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Speaker 1: probably two thirds of the way through the season, and

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Speaker 1: we played a close game there. They scored, if I remember,

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Speaker 1: But we had a chance to win that game there

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, that's the game that Bill Simms got hurt. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we had a combination of factors of Geff going in,

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Speaker 1: and the game being close, But in the back of

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Speaker 1: capable of doing it, that we would have a chance

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Speaker 1: to win the game. I didn't feel like we were

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Speaker 1: tone with those guys. And you know, the circumstances with

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Speaker 1: not having your starting quarterback. Nobody had ever won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl without their starting quarterback. That was being publicized.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Jeff Houstiner had been with us a

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Speaker 1: long time and we'd seen him in practice. The coaches

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Speaker 1: or five six years, and you know, we kind of

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Speaker 1: knew what he was capable of of doing. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: other thing, Paul was he's allowed us to do just

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Speaker 1: the use things differently on offense with the movement of

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Speaker 1: we had a couple of new elements that we could

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Speaker 1: integrate into our system. And we had some games to

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Speaker 1: there for Jeff. So we played a couple more games,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we had we had a couple of

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Speaker 1: of the season, and we we didn't we didn't look terrific,

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Speaker 1: a certain win will Bill if if playing the Bills

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Speaker 1: earlier in the season was helpful to you going into

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, do you think the same aspect helped

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Speaker 1: other things that sticks out to me about the nine

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Speaker 1: I thought, listen, when you play against players, you know,

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Speaker 1: We had a player on our team named Steve Diaci

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Speaker 1: of stepped up and spoke for Walls in terms of Bill,

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Speaker 1: I think he'll fit here. And the same thing with Dorson.

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Speaker 1: We we had Notre Dame guys. They're Bivaro, you know

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Speaker 1: it's just for a short time. Those guys played good

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Speaker 1: the position. You know, Walls not only played quarter, you

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Speaker 1: played safety. He did a good, terrific force in that championship.

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Speaker 1: D I C. And it's incredible, Bill, because I remember

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Speaker 1: and of course the story about how you decide to

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Speaker 1: tell your players that you're gonna pack, you know, for

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Speaker 1: yet those were probably two of the most dramatic postseason

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Speaker 1: I had told the team, you know, everybody's put in

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Speaker 1: my stuffs listen tells, We're not gonna lose this game.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be eliminated from the playoffs because

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I I was confident in Jeff. I

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Speaker 1: They could have gone either way. It came down to

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Speaker 1: A couple of other thoughts about that particular game. Bill,

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Speaker 1: You know, you guys drive all the way down the field.

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