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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, our number three,

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Speaker 2: final hour of the week. Fourteen hours up, fourteen hours down.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as you

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Speaker 2: have been all week long. We also want to extend

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Speaker 2: a special Happy Father's Day as we finish off the

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Speaker 2: show today, to Buck's Dad, to my dad, to all

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Speaker 2: all that you do. We hope that you and your

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Speaker 2: honor of Father's Day coming up this Sunday, we have

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Speaker 2: a special interview that's up I did earlier this week

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Speaker 2: with Alec Lace of the First Class Fatherhood podcast up

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Speaker 2: right now at Clayandbuck dot com. And we also have

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Speaker 2: you may have heard us last week talking to Coach Bill.

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Speaker 2: We also have a Father's Day message from him. He

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Speaker 2: was with us last week. He has a new podcast,

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Speaker 2: to go do that. All right, talked about a variety

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Speaker 2: of different topics so far, Buck, and one of the

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Speaker 2: I think real stories that is emerging of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three is consumers are fed up with how woke many

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Speaker 2: different brands have become. Whether it's bud Light, whether it's Target.

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Speaker 2: There are people who were mad at Fox News over

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Speaker 2: Tucker There certainly I think has been a big pushback

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Speaker 2: that has been going on for years against for instance,

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Speaker 2: the NBA, and now I believe Buck, you are starting

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Speaker 2: to see. We've seen the Ron DeSantis versus Disney battle

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Speaker 2: about this with the Axios Data, which has reflected that

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Speaker 2: Disney has not been well served by its company deciding

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Speaker 2: to wade into the political arena. And we've been talking

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Speaker 2: a couple of years, and people say, okay, well, where

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Speaker 2: can you see that happening. Well, for one thing, Disney

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Speaker 2: stock is basically the same price that it was nine

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Speaker 2: years ago. In other words, if you bought stock in

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Speaker 2: it's an SMP five hundred stock. It's typically a big,

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Speaker 2: you know, reliable stock that you could buy. Stock hasn't

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Speaker 2: moved in nine years. And right now they've got a

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Speaker 2: new movie coming out.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: You and I kind of joked about this, the Super

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Speaker 2: Mario brother movie. My kids went and saw it. It

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Speaker 2: set all time animation records. I never would have anticipate

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Speaker 2: if you told me, hey, Clay, you can put some

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Speaker 2: money down. Do you think the Super Mario Brothers movie

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Speaker 1: The box office? I would have laughed at you.

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Speaker 2: Would you have agreed with me that you would not

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Speaker 2: have been optimistic that this this movie was gonna take off.

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Speaker 3: Well super well, that Super Mario Bros. Would or this

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Speaker 3: movie elemental that we're about.

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Speaker 1: To no, no, the Super Mario Brothers in the first place.

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Speaker 2: This is it is dominated, right, so I would not

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Speaker 3: Super Mario Brothers is an incredible franchise over the duration

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Speaker 3: of you know, the the idea since Nintendo came up

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Speaker 3: the one where you're in the go karts, you know,

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Speaker 3: Mario Kart, Thank you. That was a huge hit on

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Speaker 1: Of all time.

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Speaker 3: But a well executed animated Super Mario. That doesn't surprise

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Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise you that it's one of the three

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Speaker 1: That's how well it did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now that that does that surprised me. Like that

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Speaker 1: But can I just so you mentioned this with me,

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Speaker 3: I don't have kids yet, so I'm not up on

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Speaker 1: You you are much more up with this than I am.

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Speaker 3: So you told me about this film Elemental and and

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Speaker 3: I'll just tell you, I wish there was a way

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Speaker 3: It says a two hundred million dollar budget, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I googled this right in the commercial break. I

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Speaker 3: Here's the plot, according to Wikipedia of this new Disney movie,

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Speaker 3: Bernie and Bernie and Cinder Luhman immigrate to Element City

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Speaker 3: with xenophobic you views about fire by other elements, but

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Speaker 3: eventually carve out their place in the city. After the

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Speaker 1: This sounds like.

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Speaker 3: The worst thing that maybe has ever been put in

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Speaker 3: look at the poster of this and I'm like, what

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Speaker 3: are they even trying to do? They spent two hundred

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Speaker 3: corporate c suite who was like, you know, what's a

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Speaker 3: great idea. Let's make a movie about like a wind

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Speaker 1: This is crazy, you.

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Speaker 2: Know it's It's a good point, buck, And I think

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Speaker 2: this ties in with the bud Light argument in this way.

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Speaker 2: You know, the guy I loved Pixar movies. Let me

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Speaker 2: John Lassiter was I think as close to a modern

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Speaker 2: Disney died. They forced John Lassiter out Buck over some

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Speaker 2: really mediocre me too allegations. Right, he hugged people too long,

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Speaker 2: Since they fired him, Disney animation through Pixar has fallen

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Speaker 2: completely apart. And the reason why I bring this up

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Speaker 2: is there's data out there. So by the way, the

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars Buck a billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: It is one of the most successful.

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Speaker 2: No my kids have I have not seen it, but

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Speaker 2: my understanding is it's totally not woke, right, It's just

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Speaker 2: My point on this is some people would say, well,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's an opposite.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a desperate demand for really good movies

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Speaker 2: that parents can take their kids too. I think the

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Speaker 1: They just opened it.

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Speaker 2: And the last one that they had that Pixar released

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Speaker 2: Buck do you remember this light Year was like a

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Speaker 2: woke disaster. It was a spin off of Toy Story.

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Speaker 2: voice of Buzz light Year, Tim Allen, because Tim Allen

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Speaker 2: was not woken up. He's actually a Republican, and so

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Speaker 2: they tried to do the light Year movie.

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Speaker 2: Tim Allen's involvement, it was an unmitigated disaster. Nobody went

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Speaker 2: and saw it. It was a mess. This new Elemental

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Speaker 2: movie is actually trending to perform worse than light Year. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Disney's got a major issue here, and I think there

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Speaker 2: we're done with it. They derive it as woke Disney,

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Speaker 2: This may just be a really bad sign off by

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Speaker 2: corporate to make this movie. It may be a horribly awful.

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Speaker 2: In that respect, Nobody's going to see it. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just that they're not going to see it. It's

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Speaker 1: And I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Directly connected to feuding with Ron DeSantis. They they just

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Speaker 2: to sign up for Disney plus their streaming service. I

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Speaker 2: think all of these body blows going all the way back.

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Speaker 2: Remember when they fired Gina Caranobuck from The Mandalorian because

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Speaker 2: wokest interpretations of American history.

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Speaker 2: I think that now these bodyblows are landing and a

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Speaker 2: lot of parents are saying, Yeah, I'm gonna choose not

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Speaker 2: I don't trust that they're going to deliver good, wholesome

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Speaker 2: synonymous with the Disney brand. And this goes to me

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Speaker 2: with the Mike Pence thing too. When your brand is

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Speaker 2: repudiate you, bud Light, Target, Disney, the NBA, I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Clay is not going to be going this

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Speaker 1: Right. But the sameness, the cruel slop of our culture.

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Speaker 3: I also see it with you know, the you know,

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll continue to break this down

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Speaker 2: As Ali just texted me, look, I'm doing something pretty

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Speaker 2: with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome back in Clay Travis,

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Speaker 2: You can react to what has been I think it's

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Speaker 2: fair to say a fun ride of a week, lots

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Speaker 2: as an esteemed former soccer coach. Last night late it

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Speaker 2: The US played Mexico. US wins three nothing, Christian Pulistic

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Speaker 2: it's a it's it doesn't it's not a gay slur.

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Speaker 2: But FIFA has determined that this is a gay slur

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Speaker 2: and Buck. They ended the game because they warned the crowd.

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Speaker 2: This game was played, I believe in Las Vegas. There

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Speaker 2: I put up on Twitter because I was curious. We

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Speaker 2: and that, by the way, seems to be basically fifty

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Speaker 2: what do you think about this? You coached soccer back

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Speaker 3: I I can't imagine arguing for for ending a game

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Speaker 1: That's what has happened there.

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Speaker 3: And they'll even they'll even play games with empty stadiums

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Is it really the stuff in Europe I will say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actual like throwing bananas at black players, like super racist,

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Speaker 3: There's racism in India based on skin color among different

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Speaker 1: You go, wait, wait, did that guy just say that

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Speaker 3: So yes, America is far less racist than than you know,

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Speaker 3: little different, right, They ended this like a minute or

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Speaker 3: that's not a big deal. And the US had won,

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, is it is this borderline or is it really grotesque?

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Speaker 3: I assume it's pretty bad, but I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I do not no no oblest spaniel over here. I

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Speaker 2: My understanding is when the goalie kicks, they basically call

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Speaker 2: so it's an insult on his masculinity, but it isn't

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Speaker 2: calling him gay, right And now I'm not again, so

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert in Mexican slang or by any

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Speaker 2: been told. But it is interesting to me that we've

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Speaker 2: created a world where the words of fans can lead

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Speaker 2: to people not playing a sport right the context of

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Speaker 2: empowering words to such an extent. You know, I'm old school, Buck,

442
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: and I bet you or raise the same way with

443
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: the whole Sticks and stones may hurt you, you know,

444
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: by break your bones, but words will never hurt you.

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Speaker 2: I specifically was taught that as a kid. Do we

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Speaker 2: teach kids that anymore? Because it seems like we teach

447
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Speaker 2: them words are the worst thing that someone could do

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Speaker 2: to you. And that seems to me to be entirely

449
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: the wrong lesson. And this, to me is connected to that.

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Speaker 2: Where what are we doing here? And I also point

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Speaker 2: this out Buck, the sports media, which loves to detegrate

452
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Speaker 2: American fans all the time, they're really quiet when it

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Speaker 2: comes to criticizing.

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Speaker 1: Hispanic people who would be behaving in this way.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't there also a US Mexico game not that long

456
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Speaker 3: ago where they were like they were throwing batteries at

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Speaker 3: the America player?

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 3: And Urine, Yeah, act they act horribly at some of

460
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Speaker 3: these games. And you know, you would think that, you know,

461
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Speaker 3: Mexican national team players would come forward and say you know,

462
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Speaker 3: this is this undermines the beauty of our game, and

463
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Speaker 3: this isn't what we're about in sportsmanship. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that even happens or not, but if that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff happened, that America would be treated like a

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Speaker 3: five alarm fire in the sports world, especially if the

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Speaker 3: US team, which is not that it matters, but it's

468
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Speaker 3: a very very diverse team, right so, but it would

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Speaker 3: still be America doing something against some other country, and

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Speaker 3: they would assume that there was some that there was

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Speaker 3: some rate, like if the US team mistreated the Mexican team,

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Speaker 3: they would say it's or US fans they would say

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Speaker 3: it's racist, even though the team and the fans.

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Speaker 1: Are very diverse.

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Speaker 2: No, buck, it's you're you're hitting on it without even

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Speaker 2: knowing that it happened. There were a couple of NBA

477
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Speaker 2: games where guys threw water bottles at players, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: like like bottled water. They were angry at it. They

479
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: arrested those players. They said, oh, this is an example

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Speaker 2: of racism, this is unacceptable. Sports media lost their minds.

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Speaker 2: Same thing happened in a soccer match where if to

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Speaker 2: best of my knowledge, American players were legitimately getting pelted, yes,

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Speaker 2: And I mean they were just raining down everywhere. No

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Speaker 2: one says a word about it, So I'm curious. Eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and two two two eight a two.

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Speaker 1: I bet buck we.

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Speaker 2: Have some Mexican Hispanic soccer fans who were out there

488
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Speaker 2: that could illuminate this issue. Listening to us right now

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Speaker 2: and let us know. But based on what I'm hearing,

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Speaker 2: I just think the precedent of we're gonna stop a

491
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Speaker 2: match because we don't like something that's being said in

492
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Speaker 2: the audience is totally wrong and an example of allowing

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Speaker 2: this woke virus to take over sports too.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like the definition of a Heckler's vito, but

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Speaker 3: it's the mob Heckler's veto. Yeah, right, you're just gonna

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Speaker 3: shout it down and ruin it for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really fascinating question, I think. And again,

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Speaker 2: it happened last night, which is why I'm bringing it

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Speaker 2: up late last night in what is the US's biggest rivalry,

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Speaker 2: soccer against Mexico. We kicked their ass, by the way,

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Speaker 2: and Christian Pulistic, like I said, scored two goals. We'll

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Speaker 2: take some of your calls. We'll close out the show.

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was an interesting story with a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a not typical sort of situation, right

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Speaker 2: because usually the left wing in this country, Oh, Hispanic

506
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Speaker 2: immigrants could do no wrong. I bet there were a

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Speaker 2: lot of Hispanic immigrants involved in this crowd, as well

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Speaker 2: as Mexican nationals. And I'm just curious what the thought

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Speaker 1: We have a bunch of calls which we wanted to

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Speaker 1: get to hear. We have is Paul and Houston still

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Speaker 1: with us here? I'm here, yes, sir Paul. What's going on?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 5: Actually have two things. First, on the soccer thing, my

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Speaker 5: wife's from Honduras who are watching the game last night,

556
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Speaker 5: and what they were saying was the male version of

557
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Speaker 5: what you referred to as a a B word. I

558
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: actually went on my honeymoon in Mexico and I was

559
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Speaker 5: carrying my wife's bags and all the little boys were

560
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Speaker 5: calling me that because I was carrying her bags.

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Speaker 2: And so it's not a direct it's not a direct

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Speaker 2: anti gay slur. That's what I was told. It's basically

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Speaker 2: like calling a man a bitch. It's not like, hey,

564
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Speaker 2: you're a super masculine guy. And that's a perfect example,

565
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Speaker 2: like you were basically carrying your wife's person. The little

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Speaker 2: boys were running around like taunting you, which is funny,

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Speaker 2: but like you can see, Uh, it would be equal

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Speaker 2: opportunity regardless of your sexuality, I guess is the way

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Speaker 2: that that would be deployed exactly.

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Speaker 5: They weren't referring to me as being gay or anything

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Speaker 5: like that. It was just a phrase that they used

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Speaker 5: when a man does something that a woman or something

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Speaker 5: would would do.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you for clarify. Yeah, so now

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Speaker 3: we have you know, there are there are a bunch

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Speaker 3: of words that you used to use in the context

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Speaker 3: of someone being wimpy that you're really not allowed to

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Speaker 3: use anymore sometimes because there's a there's a they say,

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Speaker 3: an implied anti gay connotation to the word. Now, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of different words we could be thinking of here,

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Speaker 3: but there's also a little bit of there's with some

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Speaker 3: of the words. There's a disputest that is there really

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Speaker 3: an anti gay connotation or are people just imputing that,

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Speaker 3: or you know, is that implied by some people but

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Speaker 3: not by others based on the context.

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Speaker 2: Look, there are beastly gay dudes, right, gay dudes who

587
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: could beat everybody's ass so when you call and and

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Speaker 2: you know, like you can think, for instance, words that

589
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: are related to genitals that are considered insults, like you

590
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: can call a man a this is not the word

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Speaker 2: but a penis head. You guys know what I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about here. And people aren't like, oh, that's super sexist, right,

593
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Speaker 2: Like it's like, no, that's just kind of a negative

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Speaker 2: connotation for a guy. And there are certainly those for

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Speaker 2: women too. I just the whole idea of policing language,

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Speaker 2: like the number of times you see now.

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Speaker 3: People in trust the anti anti female. By the way,

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Speaker 3: that's the other one. I was thinking, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a word that we all know that if someone's being

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Speaker 3: wimpy you might use and people say, well it's anti female,

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Speaker 3: or well, I mean what we're I guess you could

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Speaker 3: call someone cowardly.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to say cowardly or wimpy. Those are the

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Speaker 1: words you're allowed to use now.

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Speaker 2: By the way, gem and Columbia wants to weigh in Colombia, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: fantastic town south of Nashville. Jim, what you got for us?

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Speaker 5: Oh just stuted way in on the oh, I just

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Speaker 5: heard spurs the incline walking. I guess bud Light is

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Speaker 5: trying to rehab their image. Evidently they've teamed up with Peloton,

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Speaker 5: who has designed a treadmill specifically designed for incline walking,

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Speaker 5: and with every sale of every unit, you get a

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Speaker 5: six months of pig bud Light and a pera yoga pants.

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Speaker 1: I think he's taking a shot at you, Buck.

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Speaker 3: I think is apparently he had a surveillance camera into

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Speaker 3: the sex and living room because we love our Peloton

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Speaker 3: treadmill and our yoga pants.

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Speaker 2: You have a Peloton till you're oh, I thought she's

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Speaker 2: a kidding too. I was like, where did you put it?

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Speaker 2: I was just I'm visiting in your apartment recently. It

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Speaker 2: didn't seem like, yeah, we have a Peloton, we have

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Speaker 2: a bike. I don't have the treadmill. My wife is obsessed.

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Speaker 2: Remember book when they had that video that came out

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Speaker 2: and the guy bought his wife a Peloton for Christmas

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Speaker 2: and everybody decided that was super sexist and he was

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Speaker 2: an awful, you know, like horrible person. And then COVID

626
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Speaker 2: happened and nobody could get pelotons and people were like,

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Speaker 2: actually that boyfriend who got his wife a peloton was

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Speaker 2: actually I had a friend.

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Speaker 3: I had a friend who got a lady a one

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Speaker 3: of those like step counter kind of watch things or whatever.

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Speaker 3: This was not by This is not me, This was

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Speaker 3: not me, to be clear, This was some time ago.

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Speaker 3: It was not well received by his lady friend. She

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Speaker 3: knows she did not like the Fitness Implement gift at

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Speaker 3: you know, on the birthday.

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Speaker 1: I can just tell you that, you know, it.

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Speaker 2: Was funny about that Peloton thing that went viral. Was

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Speaker 2: you know, like man gets his wife a peloton or

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Speaker 2: girlfriend or whatever it was for the holidays, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you awful brute, you misogynist. You know what I got

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Speaker 2: Laura that year for Christmas Peloton bike. She wanted it,

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Speaker 2: she wanted and my wife was so fired up about

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Speaker 2: two or three.

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Speaker 1: It was great. It was a great gift.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is a lot of moms out there

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Speaker 2: love having like a Peloton bike or a treadmill or

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Speaker 2: something in the house if you have the space for it,

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Speaker 2: because it can be hard to find the time to

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Speaker 2: get to the gym, and maybe you got a young

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Speaker 2: kid and it's hard to get him out of the

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Speaker 2: house and everything else. I thought it was an incredible

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Speaker 2: gift and so it was, and you know, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you can make a gift decision that ends up

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Speaker 2: being great, especially in the wake of COVID, but you

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Speaker 2: should still never walk on an inclined treadmill.

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Speaker 1: That's the wild direction this show went.

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Speaker 3: When Clay has asked, did you order the peloton, He's like, you're,

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Speaker 3: gosh darn right, I did. He does not back away

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Speaker 3: from the peloton one bit. Thank you all for hanging

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Speaker 3: with us. Please have a great RESTful weekend. Check out

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Speaker 3: our podcast, The Clay in Buck Podcast. Subscribe to it.

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Speaker 3: We'll all talk to you on Monday show.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard James Carvel as we went to

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Speaker 2: break There and Buck. I think he hit on a

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Speaker 2: direct truth and I know he gives credit to Vivik

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami for raising this issue associated with pardoning Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and making it a big part of the discussion. But

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Speaker 2: over a month ago you and I started talking about

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Speaker 2: on this program, which is where I think Vivek and

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Speaker 2: his advisors got this, and I give him credit. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you don't copyright ideas. If there are good ideas, they

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00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: should be shared widely, in fact regularly. On this program,

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Speaker 2: we will address the fact that We have a lot

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Speaker 2: of Senate and Congressional members themselves who listen, governors and

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Speaker 2: their staff certainly, and say, hey, this is a good

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Speaker 2: talking point.

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Speaker 1: This should be shared.

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Speaker 2: I think James Carvel's one hundred percent right, and I've

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Speaker 2: been making this argument for some time. I think every

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Speaker 2: Republican candidate should be saying I will pardon Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in the event that I win the presidency and take

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Speaker 2: the oath of office in January of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Now you may be out there saying, well, Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: going to be the nominee. It doesn't matter. I get it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. If Trump is the nominee, I think everybody

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Speaker 2: and wins the presidency. I think everybody out there acknowledges

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Speaker 2: buck Trump will pardon himself.

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Speaker 1: This is not a moment of dispute. But if you,

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Speaker 1: to me, are attempting.

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Speaker 2: And this is what we got into with Mike Pence

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Speaker 2: and a big debate that's ricocheted all over the entire

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Speaker 2: media ecosystem this week. What we got into a real

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Speaker 2: contentious discussion with Mike Pence about was this, to me,

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Speaker 2: you have to stand on principle and refuse to allow

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Speaker 2: Democrats to Donald Trump in handcuffs and put him in

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Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his lives if that situation

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Speaker 2: arise arises, and the fact that you would not say

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Speaker 2: that is I think a reason why many of you

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Speaker 2: out there would make the choice not to vote for

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Speaker 2: people like this. There was a time when Ford pardon Nixon,

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Speaker 2: and it was widely understood to be and Nixon had

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Speaker 2: he admitted he had done some things he shouldn't have done,

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Speaker 2: but that was considered healing and for the benefit of

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Speaker 2: the country going forward. Now we're in this it feels

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Speaker 2: like very different place where we're told it's no big

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Speaker 2: deal if we throw a former president and current Republican

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Speaker 2: front runner into prison for process crimes around around documents

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Speaker 2: to earlier point, everything has to rise to the level

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Speaker 2: of there is a harm, something bad happened, and there's

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Speaker 2: an understanding of why you would take someone's freedom away,

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Speaker 2: never mind also ruin their reputation and destroy some of

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Speaker 2: their constitutional rights by convicting them as a felon. And

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people, the politics of this are

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Speaker 2: just overshadowing whatever the legal arguments may be. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's why when we talk about the pardon issue,

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Speaker 2: it's really are you are you on that or not right?

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Speaker 2: Because you know you could make the case, for example,

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Speaker 2: January six people Clay to bring it to that for

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Speaker 2: a moment. By statute, you can come up with ways

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Speaker 2: of saying that they know obstructed this or that, and

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Speaker 2: you can give them all the maximums.

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Speaker 1: Is that justice? No, that's not justice.

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Speaker 3: They're getting unfairly hit because of the politics around January sixth.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking now about some of the people who are

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Speaker 3: nonviolent and who didn't destroy even property, but were held

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Speaker 3: in solitary confinement. That's disparate treatment. And this is where

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Speaker 3: the concept of jury nullification also has to come in,

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Speaker 3: which I'm thinking more and more that there's going to

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Speaker 3: be somebody on this jury in Florida who's going to

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Speaker 3: realize what all of this is. To get to some

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Speaker 3: of our folks, though, because we've got to do it,

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of calls up here, let's

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Speaker 3: do uh David and Scottsdale Arizona, David, what do you

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Speaker 3: got for us?

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Speaker 4: I'm team play all away. If Joe Biden decides not to.

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Speaker 1: Run, I love Scottsdale Buck.

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Speaker 4: When he decides not to run, newsen jumps in. Nobody

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Speaker 4: likes Cama at all, team play, all the.

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Speaker 1: Way this is, this is just my theory.

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Speaker 3: So just to be clear, you're going to then have

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Speaker 3: to and I appreciate that that our our last call

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Speaker 3: agrees with Clay on this one. Keep in mind, I'm

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Speaker 3: the one who said that Joe Biden was going to

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Speaker 3: run again and be the nominee and still say that,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see where that ends up going. And we

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Speaker 3: have Bill O'Reilly, Uncle Bill will join us next week.

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Speaker 3: Who is still it's like he's holding on to that position.

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Speaker 3: He says, it's still you would have to have the

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Speaker 3: first black female and also just you know, separately, the

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Speaker 3: first female period president. Yep, so you're breaking you know,

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Speaker 3: sort of two class ceilings, so to speak. And you'd

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Speaker 3: run Gavin Newsom to undermine her wild president because there's

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Speaker 3: no way for Joe Biden to step down without Kamala

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Speaker 3: being a president.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's this is the part of it.

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Speaker 3: And you're gonna run some primary, some slap dash primary.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom has no national infrastructure, Kamala takes over all

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Speaker 3: of the Biden infrastructure immediately. I'm sorry, folks, I know

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Speaker 3: it sounds cooler to people. This is fantasyland stuff, okaylan stuff.

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Speaker 2: What I'm not saying that Biden would abandon the office.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying Biden announces, like Lyndon Johnson, that he will

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Speaker 2: serve out the rest of his term, but he will

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Speaker 2: not go.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're saying he's gonna let it just turn into

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Speaker 3: a whoa.

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Speaker 2: A free for all? Right, And I think then that's

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Speaker 2: what gets to I agree with you. I think the

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Speaker 2: idea of hey, we're gonna deputize somebody else over the

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Speaker 2: black woman who's the vice president is challenging, which which

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Speaker 2: is why it has to take place in the primary.

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Speaker 1: Because remember Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Are the identity politics party, but they picked the oldest,

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Speaker 2: whitest guy to ever be the nominee for his party.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. This is crazy.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats are not going to the Democrat. The DNC

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Speaker 3: is not going to say, we have an incumbent Democrat,

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Speaker 3: let's get all in on a primary right now.

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Speaker 1: There is no chance of this.

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Speaker 2: I think that Biden is going to be forced and

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Speaker 2: if he is going to announce that he's not going

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Speaker 2: to run.

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Speaker 1: He's definitely running two by the way, So that's the

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Speaker 1: other thing. Okay.

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Speaker 2: If he's not gonna run, though, if he announces it

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Speaker 2: next year, then Kamala has to be the nominee.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he steps down and leaves the office,

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Speaker 2: because you're right. If they elevate Kamala, then there's no way.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing we had established because I'm like, there

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Speaker 3: is absolutely zero I agree with Kamala. So let's say

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Speaker 3: if Joe Biden, god forbid, health reason, steps down, folks,

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Speaker 3: it's Kamala. Okay, this Gavin new some thing that's not

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Speaker 3: gonna happens.

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Speaker 2: I think Gavin Newsom would beat her in a primary

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Speaker 2: if we had an actual primary, and.

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Speaker 1: You're right, he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got here's my my thesis, Buck, I

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Speaker 2: think Gavin Newsom has got an entire network built already

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Speaker 2: that he could flip the switch on instantaneously to be

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Speaker 2: able to run in a Democrat primary if there was.

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Speaker 1: In his own state. I got it. I got it.

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Speaker 1: I think I think.

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Speaker 3: This guy, his slick talk, it's like he's poisoned your

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Speaker 3: ear with this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so who do you let Let's step back.

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Speaker 2: Let's pretend that you got to buy stock in a

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Speaker 2: Democrat who was going to be elected president and you

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Speaker 2: got let's say, five to one payoff, Who is the

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Speaker 2: better candidate for you to buy stock in. It's not

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Speaker 2: that I think Gavin Newsom is amazing, It's that I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think the Democrats have a really weak pinch. Are

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Speaker 2: you gonna go with Pritzker? Are you gonna go with

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Speaker 2: Warren or Burke? Or so?

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Speaker 1: There's multiple multiple tiers here.

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Speaker 3: First of all, by making me do this Democrat analysis,

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Speaker 3: this is like my whole question, would you rather be

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Speaker 3: eaten by a shark, an alligator or mulled by a bear?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like this is I'm just saying, you've got money at stake,

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Speaker 2: you get five to one payout if you are right

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Speaker 2: as to who the next Democrat to be elected is

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Speaker 2: off the table.

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Speaker 1: I'll go down mind.

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Speaker 3: And now we're gonna open this up the calls, because

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Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people feel very passionately about

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Speaker 3: this this topic.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two A two two eight A two.

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Speaker 3: I have been consistent now for whatever it is two years,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden will be the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty four. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so put that and I have not moved off that

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Speaker 3: word taking him, we're taking him off the table, buy

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Speaker 3: off the table. So now we're doing what Mike Penn

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Speaker 3: said he would not do, which is hypotheticals.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we're talking just by.

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Speaker 2: The way, most of politics is all hypotheticals, and every

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Speaker 2: political campaign is entirely a hypothetical because it's all about

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Speaker 2: what you would do if you happen to win, which

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Speaker 2: is why that I don't do hypotheticals.

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Speaker 3: And a campaign is so dumb for I just spent

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Speaker 3: his purposes. Yes, I just you know, bring up the

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Speaker 3: name Pence and Clay. Also, I'm still fired up about

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Speaker 3: this guy. Clay's like looking for oh Man. Anyway, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So on the Kamala thing, I'll put this out there

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Speaker 3: to you. If if Kamala Harris between now and twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four were to do in any way ascend to

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Speaker 3: the office of the President, the chance of the Democrats

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Speaker 3: trying to change that for the election I view as

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Speaker 3: almost effectively zero. Okay, we don't disagree that if the

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Speaker 3: Democrats were willing now so now we're getting in a

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Speaker 3: third level analysis, if they were willing to say, you

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Speaker 3: know what, let's just have they made the best man

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Speaker 3: or woman win situation. Biden's too old, you know. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is obviously a better politician than Kamala Harris is.

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Speaker 3: But identity politics are very powerful the Democrats. You know, there,

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Speaker 3: I start to feel like more like a coin flip.

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Speaker 3: But I also think the chance of the Democrats doing that,

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Speaker 3: the power of the incumbency, which unfortunately Republicans have kind

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Speaker 3: of lost sight of a little bit because of what

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Speaker 3: happened in twenty twenty. Right, it was that was a

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Speaker 3: big shock. The power of the incumbency is massive. And

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Speaker 3: this is also why I've said as much as RFK

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Speaker 3: Junior rf Cage Junior, we haven't even had him on

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Speaker 3: talking about this. I love what he says on COVID,

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Speaker 3: which we both do. I love what he's saying about

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Speaker 3: the border. We talked about a little bit. I think

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Speaker 3: you were actually out for dere too. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: So now now he's now he's talking all the sweet

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Speaker 3: things about COVID and about the border. Democrats are gonna

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Speaker 3: they're gonna undermine him with the machinery of the actual

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Speaker 3: election process and getting on ballots and have you know,

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