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Speaker 4: Well, we're rolling good. We're at this week two of
Speaker 4: the NFL season. There's gonna be a game tonight, and
Speaker 4: so the NFL is really cranking up. We'll get into
Speaker 4: our normal groove here. Yesterday we talked about the Saints
Speaker 4: offense versus the Cowboys defense. Today we're gonna flip that around.
Speaker 4: We'll get into that a little bit later in the show.
Speaker 4: But first things first, we got to talk about injuries.
Speaker 4: There's an interesting injury list for the Cowboys and even
Speaker 4: more injuries for the New Orleans Saints. Let's start first
Speaker 4: with the Cowboys, though. Jake Ferguson and John Stevens both
Speaker 4: out of practice for knee and hamstring injuries, respectively. Talking
Speaker 4: to me about what we're expecting there and obviously what
Speaker 4: happens if those tight ends are not available.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were able to talk to Jake Ferguson in
Speaker 6: the locker room yesterday and it just kind of get
Speaker 6: his perspective on the injury that happened on Sunday, and
Speaker 6: he said, whenever it initially happened, he thought it was
Speaker 6: an ACL and I was talking to some people that
Speaker 6: were coming off the field on Sunday they felt the
Speaker 6: same way. But then those initial testing and everything came back.
Speaker 6: He tweeted out, God is good and that's what it's
Speaker 6: looking like right now. But still some rehabbing that he's
Speaker 6: going to have to do going into the week. Obviously,
Speaker 6: mispracticed yesterday, he wasn't even out on the field, so
Speaker 6: they're trying to, you know, work him in a smart
Speaker 6: way to get him back on the field. But with
Speaker 6: that being said, I personally I don't feel like he
Speaker 6: plays on Sunday, just given the nature of the injury
Speaker 6: and the typical time frame that it takes to recover
Speaker 6: from those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: We've seen it in the past where.
Speaker 6: It's more of a two to three week type deal.
Speaker 6: Granted it's Jake Ferguson, so he could be back by
Speaker 6: the following week against the Ravens, but I think pushing
Speaker 6: it against the Saints, I think it might be a
Speaker 6: close timeline for him. And then you mentioned John Stevens Junior.
Speaker 6: When I talk to people, and I think Brian feels
Speaker 6: the same way.
Speaker 2: He's mentioned it as well.
Speaker 6: There's a little bit more concern with John Stevens playing
Speaker 6: on Sunday than there is with Jake Ferguson. Granted, still
Speaker 6: concerned with both, but John Stevens still working through that
Speaker 6: hamstring injury. We saw him out on the course yesterday
Speaker 6: with Britt Brown, so you know, trying to work back
Speaker 6: from that. But if they're down two tight ends, I mean,
Speaker 6: we talked about it a little bit, there's gonna be
Speaker 6: a lot of moving around that they're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2: With that position.
Speaker 6: But then also Marshawn Neeland was out yesterday with a
Speaker 6: calf injury, was not on the practice field, So we'll
Speaker 6: probably learn a little bit more about that and Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy's press conference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before we get too far into Niland, how much
Speaker 4: does that set back the offense if you don't have
Speaker 4: those two tight ends available to you on Sunday.
Speaker 3: I feel like though that where in watching the Saints,
Speaker 3: and we'll get into it. I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: though that if you had your tight ends in this game,
Speaker 3: you could take advantage of the Saints and the way
Speaker 3: they play their coverages. Really and I don't know this
Speaker 3: is if they were just because Carolina has a second
Speaker 3: year quarterback, but they were super aggressive with the way
Speaker 3: that they blitzed this kid and the majority of their
Speaker 3: blitz is and maybe they're worried a little bit too
Speaker 3: about their pass rush that they had to bring corners
Speaker 3: and slots and you know, there was a lot safeties.
Speaker 3: There was a lot going on here. And I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like that if you have the tight ends,
Speaker 3: if you have a Ferguson or somebody like that, and
Speaker 3: you know you're you're dealing with uh, you know, you're
Speaker 3: dealing with Tyron Matthew and and and and and guys
Speaker 3: like that, and Will Harris that you know, you want
Speaker 3: to kind of get these guys and you know, you
Speaker 3: want to make them have to play and cover a
Speaker 3: little bit. So I think it hurts Dallas in that
Speaker 3: way because the secondary for the Saints, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's as nearly as good as what we saw last
Speaker 3: week in Cleveland. But they've got a couple of guys.
Speaker 3: Depending on what happens with Marshawn Lattimore, we'll get into
Speaker 3: that a little bit more with his injury and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Uh Adobo the uh the the the other
Speaker 3: corner there.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I kind of feel like that maybe there's
Speaker 3: some opportunity here, but these safeties are kind of an
Speaker 3: area that I would like to really trying to attack
Speaker 3: if I could. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And the we well, we know just overall how
Speaker 8: important the tight end position is for the quarterback like
Speaker 8: Dak So that's always unfortunate. But they do have guys
Speaker 8: that can still help in there. But the good thing
Speaker 8: is what I think Dallas does have some favorable matchups
Speaker 8: and you still have some really really good receivers on
Speaker 8: the offense that you can really try to take advantage of.
Speaker 8: And still with the running game, that's still a question
Speaker 8: mark because I don't think we truly have a sense
Speaker 8: a good sense of what the running game for Dallas
Speaker 8: is at the moment. But I think that the Saints defense,
Speaker 8: and we'll get into it Brian will do his accounting report,
Speaker 8: but it seems like overall it might be a matchup
Speaker 8: where the Cowboys still have the upper hand despite being
Speaker 8: down at tight end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could be the Hunter Lipke, you know that that's
Speaker 3: where they can get around, you know, with you know,
Speaker 3: playing with him as that you know, detached player, the
Speaker 3: move guy, the h the full back. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: you jump into some of those, you know, play with
Speaker 3: with Schoonmaker and span Ford, But the third tied end
Speaker 3: is going to be Hunter Lipke and how he plays.
Speaker 3: So I have a feeling that. But man, this this
Speaker 3: Saints bunch at the at the safety spot, if you
Speaker 3: had somebody that could play vertically, because they play a
Speaker 3: lot of single eye stuff, you know, I mean, and
Speaker 3: maybe it had to do with Carolina that they just
Speaker 3: there they they knew that they could overwhelm Bryce Young.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna play a lot of single high man.
Speaker 3: That's where it seems like that Ferguson has that ability
Speaker 3: to get up the seam and and then you can
Speaker 3: hit some hit some plays up there that way.
Speaker 4: This game will tell me a lot about Schoonmaker. He
Speaker 4: is a second round pick. He had a you know,
Speaker 4: a red shirt year last year effectively didn't play, and
Speaker 4: he didn't play as well as we all wanted him to,
Speaker 4: you know, as a as a second round pick. But
Speaker 4: now you're in your second year and and today, yeah,
Speaker 4: and he's healthy and and this is a game where
Speaker 4: it looks like maybe they're going to eat him. And
Speaker 4: so this this is a good opportunity to see where
Speaker 4: you see.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I think we'll have a lot to talk about
Speaker 4: on Monday from the standpoint of the tight end position.
Speaker 4: If those two guys don't play, because schoon Maker is
Speaker 4: going to be asked to do more.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be asked through a lot more in this game.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's it's where the you know, these edges, linebackers, safeties,
Speaker 3: there's some opportunities here with this defense. It's Uh, I
Speaker 3: think that the challenge you faced last week was pretty stiff,
Speaker 3: and this one is it's got its areas where you
Speaker 3: can take advantage of some things, but you just you
Speaker 3: have to take advantage. You can't let these guys get
Speaker 3: off the hook, you know with some of the things
Speaker 3: that they're trying to do. They're they're really trying to
Speaker 3: scheme and play around some of their their lack ofs
Speaker 3: you know, with the way their scheme is. So you know,
Speaker 3: but you need you need to be on the screws
Speaker 3: for this one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is still a strong pass rush for
Speaker 6: the for the Saints unit. I mean, you look at
Speaker 6: Cam Jordan, uh, they bring in Chase Young. Granted he's
Speaker 6: more of a rotational guy behind Carl Granderson and that
Speaker 6: might be a name that a lot of fans don't know,
Speaker 6: but eight and a half sacks last year he was
Speaker 6: really productive for the Saints. So I think whenever you
Speaker 6: factor in potentially giving Tyler Geitton some help around the edge,
Speaker 6: you factoring a guy like Luke Schoonmaker who's going to
Speaker 6: have to be doing a lot of that chipping, doing
Speaker 6: a lot of that pushing around even in the run
Speaker 6: game too, helping out on both sides.
Speaker 2: But whether it be a Guiden or Steel.
Speaker 6: These are big guys that they have around the edge,
Speaker 6: Cam Jordan, Carl Granderson, So there's gonna have to be
Speaker 6: some bodies attached to them.
Speaker 4: How much do you do, how much do you lose
Speaker 4: or do you lose anything from the standpoint of blocking
Speaker 4: when you talk about some of like span Ford that
Speaker 4: might now have a lot more rest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think span Ford this could be an opportunity
Speaker 6: for him as well, like you said, and I think
Speaker 6: whenever we identified him coming out of the University of Minnesota,
Speaker 6: he was this blocking specialty type tight end, and I
Speaker 6: think that was kind of the thought process and bringing
Speaker 6: him in as one of the highest paid undrafted free
Speaker 6: agents around the league. They gave him the most guaranteed
Speaker 6: money of all on drafteds out of the league. I
Speaker 6: think whenever you put him into this offense this week,
Speaker 6: without a Jake Ferguson and without a John Stevens junior,
Speaker 6: He's gonna be asked to do a whole lot, not
Speaker 6: only in the blocking game, but also in the receiving game.
Speaker 6: He wasn't really asked to do a lot of that
Speaker 6: at the University of Minnesota. Granted we did see him
Speaker 6: at the Senior Bowl line up and do a lot
Speaker 6: of different red zone things, and he really took advantage.
Speaker 4: Of those big bodies.
Speaker 2: For sure, he is a big body.
Speaker 6: I think you could work that in in red zone situations,
Speaker 6: but how comfortable is he doing that. I didn't see
Speaker 6: a ton of reps during training camp him working in
Speaker 6: the red zone. So you know how much application of
Speaker 6: knowledge will have to be applied this week specifically for him.
Speaker 6: I think that's something to keep an eye on moving forward.
Speaker 6: But those are gonna be the two tight ends that
Speaker 6: they call upon. You'll probably anticipate a Princeton fan elevation.
Speaker 6: You would need to use him in some blocking situations.
Speaker 6: And then, like you said, Hunter, look he's also an option.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Marshawn Neelan being out yesterday for practice with
Speaker 4: a calf injury. Talk to me about what the Cowboys
Speaker 4: do if he can't play. When you look at someone
Speaker 4: like Tyrus sweet Chance, Chauncey Golston, do you bring up
Speaker 4: Carl Lawson, Like, where do you think they go there?
Speaker 3: I was told that I asked about Neelan's injur I
Speaker 3: said concern, and they appeared to say it wasn't bad.
Speaker 3: So hopefully he will be able to go. You know,
Speaker 3: but we've we've had these moments before with the calf.
Speaker 3: We're not worried and all of a sudden we get
Speaker 3: to the end of the week and the guy just
Speaker 3: can't go. And so but initially it was, hey, we
Speaker 3: should be okay here, okay, well let's see, you know,
Speaker 3: we're we're gonna have another couple of days, three days
Speaker 3: here to kind of figure all this out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it could be you know, Carl Lawson could
Speaker 3: be the elevation there. You know, they've got to find Wheat.
Speaker 3: He was primarily special teams guy last week. You know,
Speaker 3: you have to get him involved. We talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3: You get a rookie left tackle for the Saints. And
Speaker 3: then with with Penny on the other side, he's a
Speaker 3: guy that kind of can give up some pressure. When
Speaker 3: he watched him play as a left tackle, he wasn't
Speaker 3: very good and right side there were some pressures you
Speaker 3: know that Carolina was able to generate over him on
Speaker 3: that right side. So anything over there that is against
Speaker 3: those against that right side, I think is good. If
Speaker 3: it's Wheat and or Lawrence Parsons, anybody that they want
Speaker 3: to take off that right side I think can cause
Speaker 3: some problems.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think you could look for a Carl
Speaker 6: lost in elevation, like like you mentioned Derek. I think
Speaker 6: there's still confidence in Lawson. Just really didn't find a
Speaker 6: roster spot that made sense for him going into this season.
Speaker 6: But he's still a guy that's here at practice every
Speaker 6: day and if there's an injury to that edge unit,
Speaker 6: he's gonna be the first one called upon.
Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the Saints. They had five
Speaker 4: guys that did not practice yesterday. I'm gonna run off
Speaker 4: these names. Let me know which ones you think are
Speaker 4: the most important to keep an eye on from the
Speaker 4: standpoint of how much of an impact it would be
Speaker 4: to the Saints if they didn't have then we had
Speaker 4: cornerback Markshawn Lattimore, a really good player, obviously, safety Tower
Speaker 4: and Matthew, guard Lucas Patrick, defensive tackle Kaylin Saunders, and
Speaker 4: linebacker DeMarco Jackson.
Speaker 3: I think that I would start with Latimore because if
Speaker 3: you go back and you watch the time that Ceedee
Speaker 3: Lamb played against Lattimore at I think there were three targets,
Speaker 3: one catch for three yards, there was an interception, and
Speaker 3: against everybody else. I think that Ceedee Lamb was eight
Speaker 3: for eighty four or eighty five. You know, when it
Speaker 3: came to it was remarkably different. The amount of space
Speaker 3: that Ceedee Lamb was able to generate and the receptions
Speaker 3: that he was able to grab By not playing against Latimore,
Speaker 3: that means that kool Aid mckissory. If you watch the
Speaker 3: draft show, I think a lot of you did out
Speaker 3: there that we talked about. Mckisstory a lot from newestity
Speaker 3: of Alabama. He came in last week and actually did
Speaker 3: a pretty good job. There were three targets I believe
Speaker 3: his direction, there was only one reception. He's a very
Speaker 3: talented player. I was surprised he went in the second round.
Speaker 3: Kind of a bunch of thought he would probably be
Speaker 3: a first round player. Alabama had a couple of cornerbacks
Speaker 3: and he was one of the more talented ones that
Speaker 3: they had. So he stepped in and did a pretty
Speaker 3: nice job. But if you take Lattimore off this defense,
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty significant for them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll give you a close runner up in the
Speaker 6: fact that Lucas Patrick starting left guard.
Speaker 2: That's that's definitely.
Speaker 6: A one to keep an eye on as the week
Speaker 6: moves forward. They don't have a ton of interior depth.
Speaker 6: A lot of teams do not have a lot of
Speaker 6: interior depth, so this could be a situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Landing Young was his backup, and there's clearly a
Speaker 3: drop off between Patrick and and Young when you watch
Speaker 3: them play. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm just shaking my head because I'm like, some things,
Speaker 8: just don't say it because then that's when things happen.
Speaker 2: That's fortunate things happen.
Speaker 8: So man, as soon as you said that, I'm when
Speaker 8: you got right.
Speaker 3: Now, that could change quickly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when it does come to the Saints practice schedule
Speaker 6: this week, I think something just to keep an eye on.
Speaker 6: Players were sent home early yesterday in anticipation of hurricane
Speaker 6: Hurricane fran Scene making landfall. They were all out of
Speaker 6: the facility by about two pm, so they were able
Speaker 6: to complete practice, but team meetings and everything got cut
Speaker 6: pretty short. And then with heavy flooding in Jefferson Parish
Speaker 6: last night, that's where a lot of players do live
Speaker 6: down there, and then the causeway is causing some issues
Speaker 6: up in Mandeville. I think just kind of keep an
Speaker 6: eye on the practice schedule this week for the Saints.
Speaker 6: There could be some things that are moved around quite
Speaker 6: a bit with them because of that story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting thing. And Brian, you and I
Speaker 4: were talking yesterday before we went on the air. I'm
Speaker 4: sure you've had some experience with it when you talk
Speaker 4: about teams having to prepare under really difficult circumstances when
Speaker 4: life starts to life, right, and you got these things
Speaker 4: outside of your control that are not about football, that
Speaker 4: are affecting your life and obviously then your ability to
Speaker 4: be able to do your job. How do you prepare
Speaker 4: for that? And what have you seen in your experience, Brian,
Speaker 4: particularly like in how teams manage that and how players
Speaker 4: respond to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is an organization, you have to be
Speaker 3: very mindful that your players are human and they have families.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of them had their wives, their kids,
Speaker 3: you know, their girlfriends. You know, maybe maybe mom dad
Speaker 3: are there, you know, living with them now. They're taking
Speaker 3: care and your first thing is okay, you're thinking about
Speaker 3: your job. But as an organization, you have to be
Speaker 3: very mindful of this. And that's the one thing that
Speaker 3: the Saints are very mindful of because they live it
Speaker 3: every year. Hurricane season hits down in Midami, they deal
Speaker 3: with the same thing hurricane season hits, and then you
Speaker 3: have to be you know, you have to. So the
Speaker 3: organization usually has a really good plan for Okay, listen,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get take care of your families. This is
Speaker 3: what we're going. If you guys have to go early,
Speaker 3: if say you have to get on a plane and
Speaker 3: get out of here to go play this game, please
Speaker 3: don't worry about your families. We'll get everybody taken care of.
Speaker 3: We'll get a bust out, we'll get them hoteled up.
Speaker 3: You know, everything will be fine that way, And so
Speaker 3: that takes a lot of pressure off the players to
Speaker 3: have to deal with that. They're like, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about moving my mom, my dad, or
Speaker 3: moving my wife and the kids out of here. We
Speaker 3: can we can take care of that. So it is
Speaker 3: difficult because we all talk about when we get into
Speaker 3: and you brought it up, we came in the routine
Speaker 3: the creatures of habit where every week you get into
Speaker 3: a routine Monday Tuesday, every day there's a you know
Speaker 3: what you have to do, and then you do it
Speaker 3: for like eighteen weeks. And so when you throw somebody
Speaker 3: off that schedule, it could be very, very difficult. The
Speaker 3: league tried to do it the other day with you know,
Speaker 3: with sin in Green Bay and Philadelphia to Brazil on
Speaker 3: a nine hour flight and then turn around and play.
Speaker 3: Green Bay's got to play a day day, a noon
Speaker 3: game this week after playing again, you know, so the league,
Speaker 3: the league will do that. Well the Cowboys, heck, I mean,
Speaker 3: how many times you guys played three games eleven days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean you just get used to the
Speaker 3: part of the don't complain. You just show up, You
Speaker 3: practice for two days or a day, and then you
Speaker 3: go play. And so teams are accustomed. But there's, like
Speaker 3: I say, there's some organizations that are really good at
Speaker 3: helping their their players just have that level of comfort
Speaker 3: that know that their families are taking care of while
Speaker 3: they're practicing.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk Cowboys offense versus New Orleans defense. Let's start
Speaker 4: with a big picture question. Yeah, tell me the greatest
Speaker 4: strength of this defense, and then tell me the greatest
Speaker 4: weakness of this defense.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll tell you it's the very small sample
Speaker 3: size of the Carolina game. And to me, the strength
Speaker 3: of it was their ability. And I haven't seen a
Speaker 3: team do this in a while. But they're not afraid
Speaker 3: to get their secondary involved with blitzing. And Nick and
Speaker 3: I we were all talking about the pass rush with
Speaker 3: Grandison and then you know, you bring in you know,
Speaker 3: you bring in others to you know, Chase Young, guys
Speaker 3: like that and Cam Jordan. I mean, they've got some
Speaker 3: guys that you would think are like legitimate pass rushers
Speaker 3: and and and they do those you see those guys
Speaker 3: get involved. But I was, I was shocked of Holmut.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't know this because I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just that that Dennis Allen decided
Speaker 3: that that Bryce Young can't handle pressure from the secondary.
Speaker 3: He can't. He can't read it, he can't see it.
Speaker 3: He's not going to get his guys in the right spot.
Speaker 3: He's not going to move a blocker. Hey, he moves
Speaker 3: a blocker over from the left to the right, and
Speaker 3: they run the blitz from the left and he gets
Speaker 3: sacked from the second and you're like going, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: why did you just move? And what happened is the
Speaker 3: blocker the back on the right side does nothing blocks nobody.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like he was, you know, looking and
Speaker 3: the actual blitz came from his left. So I don't
Speaker 3: know if, if, how if Dennis Allen in this game,
Speaker 3: in his strength of slot blitz, safety, blitz, you know,
Speaker 3: combinations of blitzes, I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 3: do this to Dak Prescott or even try to do
Speaker 3: this to Dak Prescott because in this game, I mean,
Speaker 3: you look at just this was a metrics thing. And
Speaker 3: the great thing about us and our ability to watch
Speaker 3: tape and they go look at things, and this just
Speaker 3: was jarring to me. And the Saints had five off
Speaker 3: ball players generate a pressure versus the Panthers in this game. Overall,
Speaker 3: the Saints sent twelve different players who did not play
Speaker 3: edge or defensive tackle on blitzes eight p's eight pressures
Speaker 3: on fourteen blitzes. Fifty seven percent of the time they
Speaker 3: blitzed on third down. That was their big blitz down
Speaker 3: was third down. That's gotta think about down though, right,
Speaker 3: think about that though? Is this something? Is this a okay?
Speaker 3: Is this a first game trend or every week? Are
Speaker 3: we going to really dial things up? And if you're
Speaker 3: sending that much secondary pressure, are you worried about your
Speaker 3: pass rush? Because what happened is you go back and
Speaker 3: you watch the guys that were getting the pressure. Though
Speaker 3: Chase Young was the one that had the most pressures
Speaker 3: in the game. Granderson is a good rusher, Jordan's a
Speaker 3: good rush, but they didn't generate the pressure that Chase
Speaker 3: Young did as the edge they had it. Their nickel
Speaker 3: had had three sacks in this game. Four rushes, three
Speaker 3: sacks from their nickel. That's a slot player. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so you're going, there's no way in hell they do
Speaker 3: this to Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: But that's also where I guess what I'm thinking of it.
Speaker 4: My question would be you were asking me.
Speaker 3: What the strict and it was, I don't know, because
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, damn. If this is something that they're going
Speaker 3: to go in every week feeling like we're not going
Speaker 3: to create enough, you would think that they're that they
Speaker 3: across the across the front, that they could generate pressure
Speaker 3: on this Carolina defensive line. You would think that, yeah,
Speaker 3: but they found something that like, well, this kid can't
Speaker 3: read he can't read Blitzer.
Speaker 4: Right, Which that's my point, like, yeah, Dak Prescott is
Speaker 4: a veteran quarterback. You would think they wouldn't go into
Speaker 4: a game plan like that against a veteran quarterback because
Speaker 4: he will eat you live. If you're sending all those
Speaker 4: there's gonna be somebody open and you got a dangerous
Speaker 4: guy like CD Lamb on the outside. You got other
Speaker 4: playmakers in this offense. Like, to me, that's just like
Speaker 4: you got a running back that can pick up the
Speaker 4: blitz and then you're exposed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 6: I want to offer two points of I think optimism
Speaker 6: from that point, Brian, since that Dak Prescott, whenever he
Speaker 6: is escaping the pocket and getting out an extending place,
Speaker 6: we saw him really succeed doing that last chair. This
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy offense. I think it was an emphasis going
Speaker 6: into last year. You know, we talked so much about
Speaker 6: the footwork at training camp and being able to escape
Speaker 6: the pocket. That's a big part of that. Being able
Speaker 6: to step up in the pocket, that's a big part
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 6: Also the second point is, and Mike McCarthy mentioned this
Speaker 6: yesterday in as press conference. He was asked about how
Speaker 6: can you evaluate based off one game? And he said,
Speaker 6: in the Saints specific case, whenever he's looking at the
Speaker 6: Saints defense, the personnel is pretty much the same back
Speaker 6: to last season. And I think if you identify, you
Speaker 6: know what they did under Dennis Allen last year with
Speaker 6: the personnel that they had in place. Only a thirty
Speaker 6: six sacs last year, twenty eighth in the NFL. So
Speaker 6: I think whenever you look at it from a pressure
Speaker 6: standpoint and you take last week in a vacuum and
Speaker 6: try to understand it, I think it said more about
Speaker 6: Carolina than it did about New Orleans. With that being said,
Speaker 6: like I mentioned earlier, there are some big pass rushers
Speaker 6: on this defensive line. Yeah, And I think if you're
Speaker 6: looking at power guys and you're understanding Tyler Guiden is
Speaker 6: in his career, where you understand where Cooper Beebe is
Speaker 6: in his career, even Terren Steele in some instances, power
Speaker 6: could be an area of concern. But I do feel
Speaker 6: comfortable with guys like Exeel Elliott being able to pick
Speaker 6: up blitz his Dak's ability to be able to escape
Speaker 6: the pocket. I don't think they're gonna have as many
Speaker 6: issues as Carolina did last yek.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you would think that maybe that they
Speaker 3: that they they're looking at this like last year we
Speaker 3: generated no sacks, and so I would maybe that that
Speaker 3: they we're not going to get off once again. The
Speaker 3: thing that all of a sudden they.
Speaker 16: I remember where they ranked last.
Speaker 3: Year twenty eight. Yeah, yeah, they just sty this. But
Speaker 3: in this game, I was sitting there expected I was thinking, like, okay,
Speaker 3: Jordan Young, those get they're just going to overpop Carolinas.
Speaker 3: Just can't block these guys. And for the most part,
Speaker 3: there were, like I say, Young had had a good
Speaker 3: game rush in the passer Chase Young. We remember him
Speaker 3: from the Commanders. I mean, he was a highly selected guy.
Speaker 3: Was one or yeah and one or two? Was he?
Speaker 3: I thought he was two, but he was up there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Commanders had the first overall pick.
Speaker 3: I think he was number two to Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Good work, good work.
Speaker 3: Guy. I can't remember what I had for breakfast. I mean,
Speaker 3: but do you remember that I remember that one because
Speaker 3: that was some quarterbacks in that draft. That was one
Speaker 3: of those that that. Yeah, there was I think there
Speaker 3: was some guys they they passed on. They passed on
Speaker 3: a guy or too there. But anyway, that the the
Speaker 3: thing about it that with with the Saints, I just
Speaker 3: kind of feel like that they're now going to they're
Speaker 3: taking a more aggressive approach when and Nick's right about
Speaker 3: the guys they have the names they have, but this
Speaker 3: this one, this one was one of those kind of
Speaker 3: like is this a one time thing or is this
Speaker 3: an all time thing? But but they play a ton
Speaker 3: of man coverage. I mean that that is something that
Speaker 3: they are going to They're going to line up and
Speaker 3: and again they they might not respect, they might not
Speaker 3: respect what Carolina had at receiver, but but their team
Speaker 3: that if you look at the numbers, say, okay, was
Speaker 3: this something they've done before the last two years, big
Speaker 3: heavy press man coverage team, so you know this, I
Speaker 3: think the respect was there. But Carolina in pressman coverage
Speaker 3: only had five completions against them in this game when
Speaker 3: they played press. So you know you're gonna gamble here
Speaker 3: if you you know, to me, I'm always to give
Speaker 3: me the quick death. I don't want slow death. You know,
Speaker 3: if I'm if I'm a defense, just you know, give
Speaker 3: me the quick if it's you know, if we we gamble.
Speaker 3: I think this team gambles. I think this is going
Speaker 3: to be their identity. I think they're going to gamble
Speaker 3: on coverage because you'll see them at times. You'll see
Speaker 3: them at times. It's crazy to believe this, But here
Speaker 3: they are bringing a blitz and they got a linebacker.
Speaker 3: They they've got a receiver in the slot and a
Speaker 3: linebacker playing inside, and they're showing linebacker inside like in
Speaker 3: the B gap, and they bring the slot and they
Speaker 3: run the linebacker all the way to the outside to
Speaker 3: try and cover a vertical Uh you know, feeling, Yeah,
Speaker 3: THELAN is running a route from the side. He looks
Speaker 3: and like he looks out and there's nobody in front
Speaker 3: of him. There's no it's like they're they're in like
Speaker 3: a little tight little twins look and feeling's like, are
Speaker 3: you gonna throw me the ball when I'm running up
Speaker 3: the field here? Because there's nobody in front. They took
Speaker 3: their inside linebacker B gap and ran him all the
Speaker 3: way to try and take THELAN on a vertical route.
Speaker 4: There's no way they can say that they're sitting You're.
Speaker 3: Sitting there thinking, yeah, I mean, Dak, you try that.
Speaker 3: Dak is going to find that book there you go
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 6: I think that's also where you have some hope that
Speaker 6: Jake Ferguson plays in this game.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was thinking, So anything because these safeties.
Speaker 3: The thing I love Tyron Matthew because he's my LSU
Speaker 3: brother and stuff like that. But the thing with Tyron
Speaker 3: Matthew is Tyron Matthews still where Tyron Matthew help will
Speaker 3: help the Saints. He creates turnovers. He's a come up
Speaker 3: to you tackle and you're like, book, punch the ball
Speaker 3: out guy, you know, or he's always trying to, and
Speaker 3: he did. He knocked the ball here. You know, they
Speaker 3: get they get a nice little run. What's tying Matthew
Speaker 3: come up punch the ball. That's what he's always been.
Speaker 3: That guy's round. Yeah, So all of a sudden, if
Speaker 3: you're one of these guys, you know, if you're Cooks
Speaker 3: your lamb, you're catching the ball and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden Matthews there just don't give up the turnover that way.
Speaker 3: But their defense, it might be just because of Carolina,
Speaker 3: but I think they're going to They've got an aggressive
Speaker 3: side to it this year. They sure do.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit more about this Dallas offense
Speaker 4: versus New York defense. Brian, do you have something?
Speaker 3: I was asking Cuba Hubbard? Yeah, do you think they have?
Speaker 3: I mean the running game of Caroline. We were talking
Speaker 3: about Carolina and the break. They have enough talent for
Speaker 3: Bryce Young, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's a consistent runner, but I think
Speaker 6: whenever they do get Brooks back healthy, I don't think
Speaker 6: there's an excuse for Bryce Young after that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like you, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: He look, but it was hard to watch. It was
Speaker 3: hard to watch, and and like you said, I've never
Speaker 3: seen him play that poorly. And you know, all the
Speaker 3: way back to high school how he played, and I
Speaker 3: never I never believed that he was going to play
Speaker 3: this poorly.
Speaker 2: Me neither.
Speaker 4: I just know how he played against my long Horns
Speaker 4: when he was at Obama that game, the Longhorns should
Speaker 4: have won, But for Bryce Yell.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny.
Speaker 11: He was.
Speaker 6: He was talking about the corner blitzer or the nickel blitzer,
Speaker 6: and he's like, yeah, I just don't think he has
Speaker 6: you know, I don't think he has trouble with that.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there was the one time.
Speaker 3: Why do you think the Saints did with that? I mean,
Speaker 3: I was just curious, now real quick, I'm sorry, I mean,
Speaker 3: but why do you think the Saints played him. The
Speaker 3: way they did is that they did they don't think.
Speaker 6: He can I mentioned this in the break, and this
Speaker 6: is the first time in his career he's not had
Speaker 6: an offensive line that can protect him, and I don't
Speaker 6: think he knows how to play with that. That's that's
Speaker 6: a real thing for quarterbacks, and I think it's understated
Speaker 6: at times because it's kind of the cliche, Oh, you
Speaker 6: don't have protection, so it doesn't work. I really think
Speaker 6: that's the problem with Price Young because whenever you're having
Speaker 6: to escape the pocket two and a half seconds after
Speaker 6: the snap, whether you have protection or not, you're immediately
Speaker 6: going to have that anxious feeling, unless it's a snap throw.
Speaker 6: You have the anxious feeling whenever you have to dissect
Speaker 6: and read. And I think that's the problem because you
Speaker 6: see the happy feet in the pocket with him.
Speaker 2: You never saw that at modern day or in Alabama.
Speaker 8: So I feel like the more you mess up, the
Speaker 8: more he gets into your head.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I think they probably wanted to overwhelm him,
Speaker 4: like you're coming into a new season, you know, the
Speaker 4: talent that he had coming out of college. You're like,
Speaker 4: you don't want him to get comfortable on you, so
Speaker 4: you say, send everything at him.
Speaker 3: And by the way, they made car comfortable playing defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like that's the point, like you just
Speaker 4: send everything at him. And as after what they did
Speaker 4: last year or not did what they didn't do when
Speaker 4: it came to pass rush last year, it was a
Speaker 4: good thing to put on tape. Now teams have to
Speaker 4: account for the fact that they may be sending pressure
Speaker 4: from a lot of different points. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 4: lot of time the Cowboys, and it has been this
Speaker 4: week thinking about, Hey, what about the corner, what about
Speaker 4: the safe, what about the backer? Like you got to
Speaker 4: think about all those things. Now after that game.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like, though the end of this game
Speaker 3: that you're gonna you're gonna gamble, like we're talking about
Speaker 3: safety in the excuse linebacker in the A gonna carry
Speaker 3: a slot wide receiver. Do you think it's one of
Speaker 3: those things you say against Dak you have to do
Speaker 3: it because we're gonna get home before they adjust. I
Speaker 3: would I mean, it's the it's the slow death first
Speaker 3: the fast.
Speaker 4: I would say, look at look at the pass played,
Speaker 4: the touchdown, played it to Cooks. They they got it.
Speaker 4: They they got a press inside, they got the pressure
Speaker 4: and guess what, Dak, Oh my god, off the back
Speaker 4: foot touchdowns like that's got to worry.
Speaker 6: About something about that touchdowns A little off topic. I
Speaker 6: apologize something about that touchdown that was a product of timing.
Speaker 2: That touchdown pass does not happened if CD Lamb was
Speaker 2: running that route.
Speaker 6: Whenever you look at the timing and certain things that
Speaker 6: they tried with CD and Dak at times in Sunday's
Speaker 6: game too.
Speaker 4: Are you saying because they haven't had the time over
Speaker 4: the work.
Speaker 6: Five receptions there was not a lot of complex route
Speaker 6: running schemes run by CD Lamb. But you see that
Speaker 6: instance with Brandon Cooks. He hadn't even broke when Dak
Speaker 6: threw that ball. Yeah, and he knew exactly where Cooks
Speaker 6: was going to be. He was wide open and it
Speaker 6: worked out for a touchdown. We've seen that route how
Speaker 6: many times over the course of the last month and
Speaker 6: a half. I think that's just a product of really
Speaker 6: good timing in a quarterback receiver connection, right.
Speaker 3: I think Kevin Thornhill out there, I'd thrown that ball
Speaker 3: up too.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That guy look that he was watching a home run.
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge slam went over his head and he's just
Speaker 3: kind of sitting there and the OW I feel like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's a home run. I'm not moving.
Speaker 4: Speaking of CD, LAMB, how much do you guys expect
Speaker 4: that that he'll have a full clip this week and
Speaker 4: and that that that that connection would improve this week
Speaker 4: over last week.
Speaker 6: I think whenever we look up here, you know, before
Speaker 6: the Ravens game, I would expect Dak and CD to
Speaker 6: be one hundred percent by then. But I think right now,
Speaker 6: going into the Saints week, I'm probably anticipating about eighty
Speaker 6: eighty five, just because that timing is a real thing.
Speaker 6: And yes, Dak Prescott could say, hey, it's only going
Speaker 6: to take a couple of practices for us to get
Speaker 6: back in the rhythm of things, but those guys probably
Speaker 6: worked out all you could count on your two hands,
Speaker 6: you know, over the course of the the offseason. Obviously
Speaker 6: hasn't had CD implemented in the offense since January. You know,
Speaker 6: it's gonna take some time to get back up to speed. Granted,
Speaker 6: now we're looking up about three weeks since he signed
Speaker 6: that deal, So I think whenever we're looking at going
Speaker 6: into the Ravens game, that's when we should start seeing
Speaker 6: some of this complex route running schemes come back, and
Speaker 6: that's where he's doing the double moves. That's where he's
Speaker 6: you know, a DAK is trusting where the ball placement
Speaker 6: is going to be because he trust where CD is
Speaker 6: going to be. I didn't necessarily see that against the
Speaker 6: against the Browns. Oddly enough, the route that worked the
Speaker 6: best for CD and DAK last year was just a
Speaker 6: pure slant route, and they relied on that in the
Speaker 6: Browns game, as they should have. But you can also
Speaker 6: see that they're falling on their weapons that they know
Speaker 6: will work. But you also have to mix it up
Speaker 6: with some things. That's that's with anything. But I think
Speaker 6: if they mix it up a little bit more and
Speaker 6: they're able to implement some double moves and get CD
Speaker 6: open on some slant, then break out to a corner slant,
Speaker 6: break out to a post, I think there's gonna be
Speaker 6: some opportunities to really open up this offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy you want to put him on is
Speaker 3: Alante Taylor, the slot. He's the one. The last two
Speaker 3: years they've gone after this cat, and Carolina went after
Speaker 3: this guy too. He gave him a touchdown, had four receptions.
Speaker 3: I think it was seven targets. I was watching him play.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, man, they're kind of picking on this dude,
Speaker 3: and went back and check. They pick on this dude
Speaker 3: a lot. So if your routes are coming out of
Speaker 3: the slot, the stuff you talk about, the slant and
Speaker 3: the corners and things like that that you want to run,
Speaker 3: maybe that Think about the Saints Alante Taylor, he's number one,
Speaker 3: he's their nickel player, he's the one with three sacks.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's a better edge than he is a cover.
Speaker 4: Well, looking at this game, they were pretty dominant over
Speaker 4: Carolina both in the pass defense, in their pass defense
Speaker 4: and their rush defense, only allowing one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: five yards passing fifty eight yards rushing. Brian from what
Speaker 4: you could tell, do you think this is a team
Speaker 4: that you would attack if you're the Cowboys, you attacked
Speaker 4: them more with the run game or with the pass
Speaker 4: game based on where you see deficiencies.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that you're throwing the ball
Speaker 3: against these guys might be okay. And I know that
Speaker 3: Nick has his concerns with the pass rush. I guess
Speaker 3: I would have concerns with the too. If I thought
Speaker 3: every time I'm going to blitz a secondary guy. He's
Speaker 3: going to get home, you know. But I you know,
Speaker 3: you find a way that the matchups are going to
Speaker 3: be about can these Cowboys tackles hold up in this game?
Speaker 3: Can you know the Browns I said, are the Browns
Speaker 3: defense was so much better than this defense. When you
Speaker 3: talk about the pressure and you know the players that
Speaker 3: you have, there's some sneaky, sneaky good players in this team.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, Like I said, you know, I've
Speaker 3: seen Chase Young before rush wide, rush wide, rush wide,
Speaker 3: rush way and then all of sudden decides to go
Speaker 3: inside and like, oh he figured it out. He actually
Speaker 3: got a pressure there, but he you know, he's That's
Speaker 3: the thing about it is some of these guys get
Speaker 3: in a little bit of a rhythm rush and then
Speaker 3: you can kind of you kind of deal with it.
Speaker 3: But if Dallas's tackles hold up well in this game,
Speaker 3: I they can throw the ball.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't necessarily say I have concerns with the pass rush.
Speaker 6: I think it's just more so identified.
Speaker 2: You're not wrong. You're not wrong strength here.
Speaker 6: And I think whenever you look at you know, the
Speaker 6: rookies up front, they did a really good job against
Speaker 6: the Brounce that's a fact. Sure Miles Garrett didn't make
Speaker 6: his presence felt on that one play, and by god
Speaker 6: he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I think whenever you look at the picture as
Speaker 6: a whole and how Tyler Geydon performed against those edge rushers,
Speaker 6: I'm comfortable going into New Orleans understanding that he can
Speaker 6: play to that same level. I just think it's a
Speaker 6: strength of theirs that definitely should be And I'm with you, Brian,
Speaker 6: I'm passing the ball if I want to win in this.
Speaker 3: See the thing about it is with Geyton and hopefully
Speaker 3: the hands and the feet, you know, I mean after
Speaker 3: why we talked about it, it was he was in survival
Speaker 3: mode and with these guys, I think he can breathe.
Speaker 3: These guys can rush, Don't get me wrong on this.
Speaker 3: These guys can rush, but it's not like dealing with
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett and even even Smith. You know, those guys
Speaker 3: don't give you a breath. And I think with the
Speaker 3: Saints they have some guys where technique, you know, just
Speaker 3: play your technique, and he got a good shot of
Speaker 3: blocking these cats.
Speaker 8: I think this is a game where Dak goes into
Speaker 8: feeling a lot more comfortable and confident, because even going
Speaker 8: back to the game again to Browns, where there was
Speaker 8: some pressure coming, Dak would sit still like you didn't
Speaker 8: really see him kind of going out of the pocket
Speaker 8: and taking off. So I think I think that maybe
Speaker 8: this gives him more like Okay, it frees him up
Speaker 8: more to be more comfortable to anticipate those pressures and
Speaker 8: start using his running game. Because again, he's healthy, he
Speaker 8: looks good. We know he can do it. He's done
Speaker 8: it before, like you mentioned before, Nick, We've seen him
Speaker 8: get out of the pocket, run and throw, and he
Speaker 8: has been very successful at connecting those passes with the receivers.
Speaker 8: He has very talented receivers. So I think this is
Speaker 8: an opportunity to maybe see him just a little bit
Speaker 8: more mobile.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these linebackers, when you talking about Pete Warner and
Speaker 3: the Murio Davis here that last week's line back again,
Speaker 3: Coral Moore, those these guys are run. These these guys
Speaker 3: are a little bit later to the ball. I mean
Speaker 3: they could they could be a tick late. There were
Speaker 3: a couple of times where Carolina were able to get
Speaker 3: the ball inside and then make some you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of four or five yard runs, eight yard run.
Speaker 3: You know, against this group, the linebackers are not going
Speaker 3: to make the number of plays that the Browns linebackers were.
Speaker 3: Those dudes were hum into the ball on the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is more of a blue collar group.
Speaker 6: They do the dirty work, they get it, they get
Speaker 6: in there, they will make their presence felt. But I
Speaker 6: think it is a strong second level, but it's not
Speaker 6: what we saw from the Browns last week. They do
Speaker 6: have some young guys though, that are pretty interesting in
Speaker 6: that second level too, that we might see rotate. In
Speaker 6: Anthony Orgie, he's a rock Wall product, Jalen Ford, he
Speaker 6: went to Friscal Lone Star. There was a couple of guys,
Speaker 6: and then DeMarco Jackson while he was on the injury report.
Speaker 6: That certainly got to keep an eye on too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this week, based on what we've heard Brian you
Speaker 4: talk about with him using so many guys from the
Speaker 4: secondary on blitz's, do you expect this is a game
Speaker 4: we'll see a lot more of Zeke Elliott in the
Speaker 4: backfield than that rotation. Knowing that he is I think
Speaker 4: their best, their best blitz pick up guy from among
Speaker 4: the running backs that are on the roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you would expect.
Speaker 6: If we're looking from a carry's perspective, I think we're
Speaker 6: going to see a similar distribution. But as far as
Speaker 6: passing downs, I think we you can anticipate Zeke Elliott
Speaker 6: being on the field a lot on third down.
Speaker 3: Did you ask that question of press conference something like that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought so about that you be comfortable with the balance.
Speaker 4: And he was with that Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, It's
Speaker 4: obviously it's gonna be Ah, they're gonna need that. If
Speaker 4: if this is the way the Saints are going to
Speaker 4: be playing this year, you're gonna need that, which means
Speaker 4: is the number of snaps. The number of snaps certainly
Speaker 4: gonna fix a lot more. Yeah. You know, actually for
Speaker 4: those out there, for those out there that don't know,
Speaker 4: and as a nod to the game against the Saints
Speaker 4: this week, today in the training table, we are having gumbo.
Speaker 4: So uh, if you know anything about me, you know
Speaker 4: I'm very excited about that.
Speaker 2: Two days.
Speaker 3: Year. Man, So we get on doing it.
Speaker 4: Exactly so we can get over here and get some
Speaker 4: of this gumbo. All right, I appreciate you guys to
Speaker 4: join us back tomorrow. We're gonna wrap this thing up,
Speaker 4: get you guys ready for Cowboys versus Saints. Till then
Speaker 4: for Nick Harris. Brian brought us an ambergar Ci. I'm
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