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Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yeah? Goodness, ding dong calling? What's

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Speaker 1: the temperature? Well, the temperature is in celsius over here

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Speaker 1: The sort of pounds to dollars? Where are we at?

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Speaker 1: I can figure out pounds to dollars. Well, this is

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Speaker 1: the thing about the UK is the UK is like

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Speaker 1: I will be trying all five hundred. So Bowen's big

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Speaker 1: all to work together on Fire Island. What a time highlight.

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Speaker 1: and Julia Roberts yea like and now we have this script.

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Speaker 1: Reese is going to produce it. Who do we get

424
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: that's like famous enough that this is gonna make sense.

425
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Let's make it work for two three

426
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: And they pick Ashton Kutcher and then they put them

427
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: out there together and it's like, oh, they hate each other.

428
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: Like that's like I'm not watching this. That's too bad

429
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: because Elean Brush Mchanic wrote and directed, and we love

430
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: her for crazy ex girlfriend and Devils Product of course,

431
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 1: but this is God. I can't it over the race

432
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: nation and sort of dynamic of it all. Then if

433
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: that's I'm not talking about the movie at all. We

434
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: haven't seen the movie. It might be great just them

435
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: doing the press tour. It is very evident interesting, wow,

436
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: But how much do you fake it? Anyway? Like at

437
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: a certain point and you just get tired of feaking it.

438
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking, like, we didn't see you Margaret a

439
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: lot for the press store of Fire Island because we

440
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: did it kind of separately. But like that was like

441
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: a genuine joy the whole time. But like what if

442
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: there was one person that was just like, oh, I know,

443
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we had so much fun making the movie

444
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: and I just wanted everybody to see it. So you

445
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: want everybody to say, like, feel the feeling of joy

446
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: that we had making it and also getting back together

447
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: to do the press junkets. So it seems weird. Maybe

448
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: you can be such a big star that all that

449
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: stuff you're mad that you have to do it. You

450
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: know that you're mad that you sec already made the

451
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: movie and now you have to go on and do

452
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: the extra work of the publicizing it. But who knows, Yeah,

453
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: because it is a lot of work, I mean, you know,

454
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: and maybe they just hate each other. I want to

455
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: meet Pedro Pascal too. You guys would get along great.

456
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: You know. Um Jonathan Vanese he used to be my hairdresser,

457
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: but now he's too famous. But he Yeah, for years,

458
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I love him. And then so we were excited when

459
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: Pedro Pascal first came on to UM Game of Thrones

460
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: and our nickname for him was by Pride because he

461
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: was really proud to be by show his character and

462
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: so by Bride. And then um Jonathan was doing the

463
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones hair during Comic Con and he called me, going, okay,

464
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: because I'm doing I'm doing Bipride hair, and almost like

465
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: was so funny because it was like, now by Pride

466
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: was his name. So every time I see him, I'm like, oh,

467
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: it's by Pride, and I really want to call it

468
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: when I when I see him, I want to call

469
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: him by Pride and tell him why he's by Pride,

470
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: because he's by Pride, honestly, for by pride to be

471
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: the biggest star in Hollywood right now. I think it's

472
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: so gorgeous. And you know, people like that, there's very

473
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: rare where you feel like they are making love to

474
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: everybody they meet. I'm describing, yes, Sorr, I keep going.

475
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean I've never met him, but the only other

476
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: people that I have met that have that is David

477
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: Bowie and chat Oh my god, A course of course,

478
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: Fat Wait went like in person. Yeah, we had lunch

479
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: at the Pan Pacific Hotel in the very top um

480
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, in and um, John, we wanted to

481
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: introduce us. We had this thing and then John laughed

482
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: and then it was me and Chow Yun Fat and

483
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: I was talking about all of his movies that I

484
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: had seen so many of them. You know, he was

485
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: really impressed of my knowledge of even his romantic comedies

486
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: and things that nobody had seen. Is like melodramas, Hong

487
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: Kong melodramas, and he was it was big in his presence,

488
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: was just like he was like making love to everybody

489
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: in the room, but not in a sexual way and

490
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: pure cinematic romance way like a Carry Grant or Clark Gable.

491
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: That feeling but Raynold's that feeling. Um, it's definitely that. Yeah.

492
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: And David Bowie, Oh my god, that's a great little

493
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: trio right there, and like a Talian fat and a

494
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Better Tomorrow, so good, so so beautiful, and and Crouching

495
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: Tiger crouching just like the center of it, Like the

496
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: stuff with him and Michelle at the end is just

497
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: so heart wrenching. But like another movie I used to

498
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: watch all the time, which probably isn't good but was

499
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: on all the time. I haven't thought about it in years,

500
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: is his Anna and the King with Jodie Foster. Yeah,

501
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: there was like a really shocking scene where like Biling

502
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: gets killed spoiler alert for Anna and the King years ago,

503
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: But that was like a very upsetting film that was

504
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: I guess like another era of Jody too, because you

505
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: don't picture her in that Movie's like a romantic, like

506
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: very feminine lead. Jodie Foster. We have to ask Margaret

507
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: the question, because here's the thing. When we did our

508
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: first episode with you, I think we were so excited

509
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: that we literally did not ask you the thesis question

510
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: the center of our show, which is Margaret Show, What

511
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say? Culture? Is for me.

512
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it was in the movie Greece where Olivia

513
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Newton John turns into black late TEXI leather sandy and

514
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: she throws down distigarettes. Tell me about it instead, Um,

515
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: John Travolta, and then they go in the big weird

516
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: like fun house thing, um, and you're the one that

517
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: I want. And it's like such a It was then

518
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and I was with my cousins in l A. And

519
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: I spent the summers with them as a kid, and

520
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: we watched it, and we had the videotape of Greece.

521
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: We watched it every single day, and then at night

522
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: we would go out and drive around l A. And

523
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: they were a little bit older meat, so they had

524
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: a car and we would listen to Um Donna Summers

525
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Bad Girls. So it was like I wanted to be

526
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: bad and I wanted to smoke cigarettes, and I wanted

527
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: to like have like that perm and um yeah, like

528
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: a bad Hole, which like Bad Girls is such a

529
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: great record and such a it's such a the celebration

530
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: of the sex worker, which is really cool. I I

531
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: really I love that record. I love disco, and I

532
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: love the disco kind of grease fifties and seventies collide um.

533
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: So that to me, I think it was like the

534
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: cultures was for me at that time. That was when

535
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: it popped off. Do you remember around what age you

536
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: were when when hit. I was probably about ten or twelve,

537
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: already wanted to smoke cigarettes. Yeah, definitely definitely stent that growth.

538
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Girl just stent it. I wanted to smoke cigarettes. I

539
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: wanted to ride around in cars. I wanted to listen

540
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: to disco and watch Grease. Yeah, to me, it was

541
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: a really formative time. And I got to work with

542
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Olivia Newton John later and she and I became friends.

543
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: And she would come to see my comedy shows and

544
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: like the improv in l A. And she would run

545
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: up and she was just for fun, just for fun.

546
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, saw that you're here just for fun, just

547
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: for fun, and run off. And she she told me

548
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: to quit smoking. It's just just just do today. And

549
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: then I I so I quit smoking, and she, you know,

550
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: she just really had a choke hold on all my

551
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: everything I did. I really loved her. I can't believe

552
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: she's dead, but you know, it's so shy, it's so shitty,

553
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: but she was really iconic and I really loved her

554
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: short hair. I loved her music album for like the

555
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: video album for Physical, which was like the Physical video

556
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: which had a lot of gay subtext. All of her

557
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: videos had a lot of gay subtext, but that that

558
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: was a really great video album. And she was just

559
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: she was awesome. The person who made you want to

560
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: start smoking through a screen also inspired you to stop

561
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: smoking in person. That's right, And that's the duality that

562
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: is the Sandy bad right. Absolutely, I came full circle.

563
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: So incredible. She's amazing. Wow, also like a real smoke show,

564
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: like just like really stunning. Like I think, like a

565
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: lot gets lost because you're like, oh, it's just Sandy,

566
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: It's just like a thing that's a particulture and assume.

567
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: But like wow, did she like have it on screen?

568
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: And her voice it was amazing, like hopelessly devoted. That's

569
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: a really hard song. And just like the way that

570
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: her belt just like it just sours through it. It's

571
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: like she has that rasp, that like emotional rasp in

572
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: her belt that I think it was just really really

573
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: special And you can tell how hard that song is

574
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: when people just think they're going to be able to

575
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: do it at karaoke, you know, they whip out of karaoke,

576
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this one, and then like it's a

577
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: real death spiral to the end of the song. It's

578
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: so hard. It's so hard. Yeah, she's truly like a

579
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: multifaceted entertainer with the dancing and also singing and acting

580
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: and just the looks, the looks that she served for

581
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: her life. She's just incredible. So everything she's phenomenal and

582
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: her in travel. So I guess we're like an it couple.

583
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: Well she said, um, yeah, you know, wait it hang out.

584
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: But after after Kelly, it just got weird. You know,

585
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't really, it just got weird, It got wead,

586
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: it got weird. After got weird, I guess. So it

587
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: got weird for Kelly period. She just didn't feel comfortable

588
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: reaching out. But I love that their collaboration. I love

589
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: a twist of Fate the movie and song. Um that's

590
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: a really lost movie, which I think is really good. Wait,

591
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: are you guys horny for Travolta when he was younger?

592
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Totally yeah, right, he's beautiful. I think That's another thing

593
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: is because and the reason I say that about Olivia,

594
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: like you don't realize how stunning she was is maybe

595
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: because I started watching Greece when I was truly a

596
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: little little child and like just thought of them as

597
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: like the prom king and queen up there on the screen,

598
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and my sexual like conception of them sexually didn't kick

599
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: in yet. Like the other day, I saw a picture

600
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: of John Travolta back in the day and I was like, oh, fuck,

601
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: he's gorgeous. Welcome back Carter. Gorgeous. Yeah, welcome back Carter.

602
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: He's gorgeous. He's really hot and carry really um, you

603
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: can smell that semen off of the screen, like I

604
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's that like really like

605
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: pungent semen. But you know what I mean, it's that

606
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: really pungent semen. Yeah, you know what he's giving, Like

607
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: he's actually giving and this is kind of crazy, but

608
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: what he's giving in this movie, now that I've Google

609
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: image it is I eat pussy face. Yeah, it's like

610
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: a dirty coming from the back of the balls. Like

611
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: it's like a prostate mode, which I'm sure familiar with,

612
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: but I'm literally I just zoomed in on one picture

613
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: and I imagine, like his eyes are so beautiful. This

614
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: is like the eyes of a man that you're having

615
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: sex with someone and their eyes are so beautiful and

616
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: it almost takes you out, Like I can talk this

617
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: person with these eyes. What for me, it's the lips.

618
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: It's always been about the lips fortravlt you know. It's

619
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: like that, it's that perfect little shape. It was a

620
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: pre filler. No filler has been around for a while.

621
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: It just and they just look perfectly plumbed. And like,

622
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: how that's what Carrie is giving me? There was I

623
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: there's a sexual imprinting moment for me, which is a

624
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: little bad. We'll do it. This was like Oprah circa

625
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: two thousand four, but he was on Oprah and he

626
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: must have been in his like what late forties, early

627
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: fifties at this point, but like was working out like

628
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: crazy and he just like at one point, like Oprah

629
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: like asks him to lift his shirt up and he

630
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: like shows everybody his abs. This is like in a

631
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: pre tape segment, like not in front of the audience,

632
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: but like, oh my god, I literally have the thing

633
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: right now. Wow. Yeah, he's given like daddy like not perfects,

634
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: but like a man's body, a man's body, and which

635
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: is more and more of my thing every day. Yeah,

636
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: And so here you google image. I found it here.

637
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually here. Why don't I yeah, no, no, no, no,

638
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: no no no, I found it too. I found it too.

639
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: It was that That was the moment for me. Yeah,

640
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: and I would suck John travel To still. Maybe that

641
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: would save him if you sucked him, because that's what

642
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm signing up to do now. One breaks later. I'm

643
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: ready to save through your sexual power. But do you

644
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: guys remember when he did that. There was like a

645
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: movie he did with Jamie Lee Curtis where there's like

646
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: an aerobics perfect Yeah. Yeah, it's called perfect Yeah. And

647
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like when he's thrusting the

648
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: air when sweating, it's so great. I love all the

649
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: looks in that movie. I think it's such a great

650
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: movie and it's such a perfect time catsle of like

651
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: aerobics core, you know that kind of look and feeling

652
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: so perfect. It's googling the words John Travelta Perfect like

653
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: a third girl. This does confirm for me, at least personally,

654
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: how religion kills any attraction, any zell at the person,

655
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: whether it's trim like Tom Cruise, like even fucking like

656
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: let's just say like Chris Pratt, like it just kills

657
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: it for me. I'm like, I cannot get hard for

658
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: you if you like love your church this much. It's weird.

659
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: It's super weird. This is not like, oh, like religion

660
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: is bad, but it's just like there is an element,

661
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: there's a degree and magnitude to it that like really

662
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way sexual totally. I have such

663
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: a disgust for like the Hillsong bro. You know, like

664
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: anybody who's like has a lot of a lot of

665
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: bracelets and beads and like a beanie and like a

666
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: lovy shirt. Still it makes me so you know, like

667
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: how that look is so awful, so weird and it's

668
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: so meticulously put together too that it's like so much

669
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: bad taste colliding. It's like remember like the hills years ago,

670
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: justin Bobby, It's like that like old reality star. It's

671
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: like it was like tacky then, and yet it's still

672
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: the thing that people are like not only into but

673
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: gathering to be around. But I think that Hillsong guys

674
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: like done right or is that more of an aesthetic?

675
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: It's just the aesthetic, but that guy's done. It's the

676
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: aesthetic of like a mega mega church aesthetic. It makes

677
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: me so disgusted, you know, like a mega church where

678
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: there's a Starbucks in the church, so disgusting. Like anything

679
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: like that is so horrible. I mean, it's not about

680
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: the belief to me, it's about the aesthetic. It's awful, totally, totally.

681
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: There's a there's a Starbucks. That's a culture. There's a

682
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Starbucks in the church. It's it's awful, you know, it's

683
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: all that's real culture in number seventy eight. If there's

684
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: a Starbucks in disgusting. Okay, this is gonna sound broad. Margaret,

685
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: you are my favorite person to say words. It's just

686
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: the way that you his words as weapons. To quote

687
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Ava Max. That's I think what I loved so much

688
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: about your stand up albums when I first found you,

689
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: When I was like, I don't know, I've told you

690
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: this in like little gay ways, but like I was

691
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: like thirteen in my room and like I would listen

692
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: to your stand up albums on Rhapsody, and like I

693
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: would put my headphones in and like I felt like

694
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: you were telling me what my sense of humor was

695
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: from like even though I didn't know, but the way

696
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: with words that you have like the way that you

697
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: can throw a word out there and it hits in

698
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: the gut just never forget, like of course indelibly and

699
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: all of your stand up. But we were we were

700
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: shooting Fire Island and when we've started this on the pod,

701
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: but what I had just done that line about like

702
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: does anyone want to trade a Crest white strip for

703
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: a prep pill? And it started a conversation about prep

704
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: and I had mentioned like at one point like, oh yeah,

705
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: sometimes I skipped a day, and Bone was like, oh yeah,

706
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: you can skip days, like if we were talking about it,

707
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: and then Margaret just goes, I don't really don't, it's

708
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: not worth it. You're right, you're right, Margaret, We're sorry.

709
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Don't play Russian Roulette with that. No, no, it is

710
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: all about Margaret with you. And I'm sure other people

711
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: have pointed this out. Is like timing obviously, but spacing,

712
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: like the particularly the spacing of the words, it is

713
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: like fuck me in the ass, bar and grill like

714
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: it's it's like the pause. And then the way even

715
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: bar and grill is like kind of hits the ear.

716
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: It really is just like a big part of your art.

717
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: And then Matt and at one point when we were

718
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: first becoming friends, we were watching some Gray's Anatomy scene

719
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: and like quoting it back and just like having like

720
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: a ball, just like saying the words at the exact

721
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: right times and sinking with it. And then Matt turns

722
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: to me and goes, this is why you and I

723
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: are friends. It's because we like appreciate the hate it

724
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: and like the register and like all of that stuff

725
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: where you know, I'm getting a little annoying here, but

726
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: like that is the thing that people can like build

727
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: a sensibility around. Well, I actually pitched a show with

728
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: you guys because I was doing this thing called this

729
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: History of the Game Show, and I was like, you know,

730
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: you need to actually talk to Bowen and Matt and

731
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: do let's do history of VH one reality shows that

732
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: became game shows, like I Love New York and everything

733
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: after that, like Charm School, Rock of Love, like everything

734
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: after like yeah, I Love Money, um, the Flavor of

735
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: Love mostly uh and mostly focusing on Tiffany Pollard and

736
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: have them just do full on recreation and I'm like,

737
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, they know all of the monologues of Tiffany

738
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Pollard from like two thou and eight and twelve, so

739
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: you really need to just do like a recreate Asian

740
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: show or like have them just talk, because we it

741
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: was a history of game shows from like the fifties,

742
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: but I was trying to steer them specifically from just

743
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: this period and only yes, yes, and it would be

744
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: all of them. I remember what it was. It was

745
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: like I think we were really obsessed, particularly obsessed at

746
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: that time with Monique saying from trying to school like see,

747
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: when you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite. Yes, yes,

748
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: and that's my production company's name is Clownery. We you know,

749
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: we bonded on that. But then it was like breaking

750
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: down that statement, like that's not that's not an old

751
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: English adage, Like that's not from like the Farmer's Almanic.

752
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: The way that she says it, it's like something like

753
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: this is a lesson that's been handed down when when

754
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: you do clownery. But she has such avity when she speaks,

755
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: yeah the delivery and there oscar winner for somebody of

756
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: her caliber to do a show like Charm School, which

757
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: also is incredible. I'm not trying to minimize Charm School.

758
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: And how many things we the prequels to charms how

759
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: how how far we had to go to get to

760
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: charm School and all those contests. It was so hard

761
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to get there through all the other shows. But really

762
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: like the gravity that money brings to and this, she says,

763
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: when you do clownary, it sounds it sounds biblical for me.

764
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: The image of a clown returning teeth first teeth forward

765
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: to by you is the thing that kills me. Maybe anywise,

766
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: that's something to start with at the outset. So we're

767
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: dealing with the fact that you see when you do clownery,

768
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: which could mean anything, the clown comes back to bite,

769
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: which is like when so so basically what we're saying

770
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: is when you engage in a suspicious activity or a

771
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: shady activity, said she said, other participants in shady activity

772
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: will come back to attack you. It's it's an insane

773
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: way to say. Karma is a bit, but so many

774
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: other nouns are thrown into the sentence. It's like locational

775
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: it is it is really a rot. But the cloud

776
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: never beat the first when it returned to bite, and

777
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: they don't bit. She's specifically like kind of referencing, I

778
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: guess pennywise, she's implying that when you do clown y,

779
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: you like release a clown. See, when you do clownery,

780
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: the clown gets out, and you better believe the clown

781
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: will return when you least expect it to bite you

782
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: with its teeth. Yes, when you guys know, we've talked

783
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: about this before. The reason those shows ended on VH

784
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: one like there was truly this like beautiful era. The

785
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: reason the show ended, Matt, do you know, do you remember? Okay,

786
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: maybe it's different, but isolated. I think that someone took

787
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: their own life right afterwards. It was that someone a

788
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: finalist on Megan Wants a Millionaire. Megan was sort of

789
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: like the spinoff Bachelorrette from Rock of Love. She was

790
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: sort of like the star from Rock of Love. She

791
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: um she had her own show. And then on Megan

792
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Wants a Millionaire, one of the final suitors was charged

793
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: for murder. Charged for murder, Yes, so he murdered someone

794
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: and so then, like they had, immediately canceled the show.

795
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: No more shows from those producers ever again on v

796
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: H one, Well, they clearly didn't vet the contestants. No,

797
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: totally totally, Why would they? Why would they? Exactly? That

798
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: was part of what made it so great totally. I

799
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: mean that was part of the charm. I guess, you know,

800
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: people weren't thinking about the mental wellness of anybody. It

801
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: was just kind of this thing. But also we had

802
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: less of bullying culture of social media than we do now,

803
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: so it made it some somewhat a little bit more

804
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: possible to do stuff like that. I think. I'm not sure,

805
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: but I do miss that air of television, yeah, where

806
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: it felt like if they were getting picked on, it

807
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: probably was happening on a few message boards or maybe

808
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: like in their own lives, like by people in there,

809
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: but who also watched the show. Now, it's like in

810
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: a culture of social media that I would imagine that

811
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: those people would go even more nuts. Because even even

812
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: on like the really like quote unquote regulated reality shows

813
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: of now, you know, like on even on like Real

814
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Housewives of Beverly Hills, you still have like Lisa Arena

815
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: taking to Instagram and acting so crazy, and you can

816
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: tell it's just because the social media aspect is there

817
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: as another arena to act crazy in, and it's hurting

818
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: reality shows, I think because so much of the stuff

819
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: that ends up happening between these people on reality shows

820
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: is happening online. So that the Flickton drama is not

821
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: happening on the shows, which I think has made all

822
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: of it worse. Yeah, it's it's like a social media

823
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: becomes another character that's playing sort of a silent partner

824
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: of all of it, but that's very vocal as well.

825
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I just remember my way into this

826
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: whole universe was going to so. I mean, I did

827
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: not grow up with cable, so go it was me

828
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: going into school. There was just a day when everyone

829
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: decided to tell me who New York was, where everyone

830
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: was like, you need to watch this show Flavor Love.

831
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: This girl from season one came back at season two.

832
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Now this girl from season one came back and she

833
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: is terrorizing these poor girls. I was like, her name

834
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: is New York. What is wait, what do you mean?

835
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, Flavor, Flavor gives these girls nicknames. Hers

836
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: is New York, and she, you know, tries to beat

837
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: up this girl who spits in her face. Like all

838
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: of this. I'm like, oh my god, and I was hooked.

839
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: I went on business trips to Gillette, Wyoming with my

840
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: dad's just so I could stay in the hotel while

841
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: he was at work, so that I could watch marathons

842
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: on VH one and I didn't have because because people

843
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: at home. I fell hard for this. It's amazing. I

844
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: mean I think that I had similar experiences with like

845
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: early Jersey Shore, like when they took Angelina's sanitary napkin

846
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: that was used and put it in the corner. Do

847
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: you remember that? Like it was just like weird stuff.

848
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: But all those people just like nailing you every day.

849
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: And then I think she's still on the show, like

850
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: whatever iteration Jersey Shore is in now, like I think

851
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: she's still on it. It's so funny. I don't know

852
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: those ones that the in particular with Tiffany Pollard really

853
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: stand out to me is something like we've seen so

854
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: much from her. I love it. Would we agree that

855
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: probably the biggest reality stars of that time, I guess

856
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: like from that sect was like Tiffany Pollard and then

857
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: from the mainstream sect was Amorosa. Yeah. Probably. I like Tunisia,

858
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: Tanisha Tunisia from Bad Girls Club. She does a meme

859
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: whether she's got the pots and pants and like banging them.

860
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Tenisha is pretty good. You know who was crazy on

861
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: her show and no one really talks about it, but

862
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: was fully a chaos monster on Love and Hip Hop

863
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: was Cardi B. Cardi B was tossing hands, like charging people,

864
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: really getting into it on Love and Hip Hop. And

865
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: then now she's like, you know, obviously one of the

866
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: world's biggest stars. She's coming out and like muglaire left

867
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: and right. But this is someone who was throwing her

868
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: body with no concern for the safety of herself or

869
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: others around a sound stage to get her point across

870
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: that like she was to be reckoned with. And it

871
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: was like really crazy. I don't know if either of

872
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: you have like ever like watched the utube compilation of

873
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: like Cardi brasiest moments. It's really not how you know

874
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: how I spent my time her at the reunions and

875
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: like what was the reason like that, what was that?

876
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: It's so great? I like Mariah Lynn hip hop that

877
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: show create stars. That's for sure. Yeah, definitely you need

878
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: to go on the second season of Traders. What you

879
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: need to do that, Margret, You need to watch Traders

880
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: on Peacock as soon as you can. You'll love it.

881
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: You'll love it. It's basically like you know, Mafia meets

882
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: the mall Um but it's all there's this like Scottish

883
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: castle aesthetic to it. Alan is the host. He's amazing.

884
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: It's it's excellent. It's truly excellent. The way they did

885
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: the first season was there was like ten like people

886
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: that we knew in the culture, like Ryan Locktey was there,

887
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: like Brandy Glanvill, like who Surrey Fields from Survivor, And

888
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: then there was ten like regular people and they all

889
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: like sitting on a large table and Alam coming taps

890
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: three of them on the show older and they are

891
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: the Traders And basically the whole thing is like the

892
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: whole everyone in the house has to figure out who

893
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: the Traders are. And every night the traders decided to

894
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: kill someone off, so like like until it whittles down

895
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: to like, however many people are there, and either the

896
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: traders win or the real people win. It's it's literally mafia,

897
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: but it's like a literalized, like physicalized version of it.

898
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: On Peacar it was really good. Yeah, that's all right.

899
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: Are you going on tour the summer or before? Yeah,

900
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm on tour. I'm starting actually in two weeks in

901
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: Vancouver and then I'm just gonna go everywhere somewhere around

902
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: perfect all over the place. How long is your tour

903
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: this time. I think it'll go probably until at least

904
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: November or something like that out there. Yeah, so but

905
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm coming back and forth. But yeah,

906
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled, Like, you know, it's like finally able to

907
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: really do bigger shows. And you know, since the pandemic,

908
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: it's a weird with comedy, but now it feels like

909
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: we can to like go to shows and do shows.

910
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be good. Yeah. I was just

911
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: out there all December and it was it felt normal again. Yeah,

912
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: and that was December two, so like by the end

913
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: of the month, like when I think a little bit

914
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: more people were being a little bit more conservative about

915
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: going out, Like as January approached, it was feeling like

916
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: it did. Yeah, it's good for the first time. Yeah.

917
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: The fact that it took this long because for you,

918
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: you were shooting the movie with us, like that first

919
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: summer where things were slowly starting to open up again. Yeah,

920
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: but you were working on the movie the whole time,

921
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: and then I imagine you were like probably working on

922
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: material for the show itself. Yeah, and then also just

923
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: like doing other things like in between. But I definitely

924
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: had been touring a lot less over the certain because

925
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want book shows and have them canceled, kind

926
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: of like with the with Overcron Remember we were like,

927
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm canceling again. So it's been hard, but now it

928
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: seems like, Okay, it's great to finally be able to

929
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: embrace it fully and go out there. Well, you'll see

930
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: us there for sure. Yes, that you've got to come.

931
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. Yeah. I love saying your billboard

932
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: it was right across from Kylie Jenner's billboard on Santa

933
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Monica made it. It was so exciting, it was. It

934
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: was exciting, it was, it was. It was great to

935
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: have the show out and then to be able to

936
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: tour it like in real time. And one of my

937
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: favorite moments was I think I was in Portland and

938
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: they had my poster up next to your poster were

939
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: up there it said Margaret Show, Matt Rodgers, and I

940
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: was like, man like not to be like a put

941
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: on a fat But if I could go back to

942
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: myself at thirteen and be like that that was going

943
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: to happen, I just would have I would have absolutely died.

944
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: So that was so beautiful. Thank you, so cool. Well um, okay,

945
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: so let's fussing, so it might be time for baby's baby.

946
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: She's been really good. She's been really good. She got

947
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: a new bag, so she's been like fierce in her

948
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: new bag, which is a little bit bigger and has

949
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: rooms room like, rooms roomy, and first for her to

950
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: put her leash inside and everything and say, she's really happy,

951
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're probably gonna go a walk later. How

952
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: long We do two walks a day, probably about forty

953
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: five minutes or to an hour each. It's also my workout.

954
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: It's my workout too, so we wouldn't walk fast. I

955
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: let her lead because I do dog lead walks because

956
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: it's not my walk, it's her walk. So I let

957
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: her sniff around and so it can get slow. But

958
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: she's a very good companion and do do that with

959
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's the best. She really was like

960
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: an energy boost. Remember when we were Remember we were

961
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: in that hotel for the last two weeks and just

962
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: sort of on the house. Yeah, the base camp you

963
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: know at the trailer is just anyway, we all love her.

964
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: It's so cute. And then you guys were doing so

965
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: many really good Nikki Minage recreations you know what I

966
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you when you went on Kelly Clarkson,

967
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: and yes, that was a person named Matt Rodgers that

968
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: existed that I did the movie with, and he's obsessed

969
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: with you. I ended up going on her show on

970
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: the show, so I did get to meet her. But

971
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: I remember watching that. I didn't know that you had

972
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: said that, so I was watching it. I think on

973
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: Instagram you literally just popped up and it was you

974
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: saying it, and I literally was like, I can't believe

975
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: this is happening. I'm so like, thank you for even

976
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: saying because I was like, oh my god, it's one

977
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: of Matt's heroes telling another one of Matt's heroes. I'm

978
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: so glad, and it was such She's so nice. She

979
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: really is, like I mean, we I think we've all

980
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: met her at this point, Like she really is like

981
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: exactly as advertised, but curses like a fucking sailor behind

982
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: the scenes. Did she did she give you a vinyl?

983
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: Did she give you a record? Yes? Yes, and lots

984
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: of potato chips? Do you remember what she gave you?

985
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: She gave me um Whitney Houston. Oh that's good bodyguard. No,

986
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: I think it was probably greatest Hits. Yeah, that's a

987
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: good choice. I got Joline Dolly Parton. Oh that's great.

988
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: I got Bruce Springsteen Greatest Hits, which I don't think

989
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: she like tailored to me necessarily. I love Bruce Springstein.

990
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: No disrespect to the boss exactly. Okay, So we are

991
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: at that point in the episode where it is I

992
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: don't think so honey time, but I forgot what is

993
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey? I don't think so honey?

994
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Is a one minute segment in which we rail against

995
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: something in the culture using the words I don't think

996
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: so honey. Does that drug your memory? Yeah? I know,

997
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I remember, and I actually remember that I have something

998
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: for it. Okay, great, this is Matt Rodgers is I

999
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: don't think so honey? And as time starts now, I

1000
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, say it with me. Robin Dixon, Yes,

1001
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: you have flopped yet again on the show The Real

1002
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Housewives of Potomac by withholding the fact that you your

1003
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: marriage to Wan Dixon, which congrats to you, you finally

1004
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: got the ring on it, but you have kept from

1005
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: everyone watching the show that wand was in the d

1006
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: m s with some girl and then he got her

1007
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: hotel room when she came to Baltimore. Now, you can

1008
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: lie in your own face, but don't lie to our face.

1009
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: This is insane. And the fact that you'd be on

1010
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Wendy about her marriage, like participating in any way about

1011
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: Karen's marriage, and you're gonna withhold crucial information about your

1012
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: own marriage and then reveal it behind a paywall. Mama,

1013
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: Bravo pays your checks. If you're going to sign up

1014
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: there and be one of the real housees up the time,

1015
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: say your real life, and then you're demanding and getting

1016
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: on the rest of these women. What about you, Robin Dixon?

1017
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Could you believe? I couldn't believe.

1018
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: Margaret this is one of the real houses of Potomac.

1019
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: She is we We have disliked her for a long time,

1020
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: and this is sort of karmically. The clown came back

1021
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: to bite. Let's just the clown came back to bite

1022
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: because she was doing clown rate. She was bringing rumors

1023
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: from off the show about other people's husbands, you know,

1024
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of conspiring with another one, always sort of getting

1025
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: into it. Because a thing on this particular reality show

1026
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: is they always attack each other's husbands and relationships. I'm

1027
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: not sure what that is, but that's their kind of

1028
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: method of madness. And then it comes out that her husband,

1029
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: who's cheated on her in the past, is now sort

1030
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: of in the d MS with someone else, and she

1031
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: wasn't honest about it, and bravo. She was on Andy

1032
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Cohen watched It Happens Live the other night and Andy

1033
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Cohen was like, so, you're on a reality show about

1034
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: your life, and then behind a paywall on your podcast

1035
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: you reveal this part of it while also getting up

1036
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: and everyone else's business. Do you think there's a double standard?

1037
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: And they finally held their feet to the fire and

1038
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: it felt good to watch. So Margaret Matt has this

1039
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: great schema around the house is where every city, every

1040
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: franchise is about a specific theme. So for New York

1041
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: it's alcoholism. For Beverly Hills, that's the cracks in the China,

1042
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: For Salta City, it's religion. And I think for Potomac

1043
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: it's husbands. It's like infidelity maybe, and for Miami it's

1044
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Mat? Divorce? It's about how

1045
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: all these women deal with divorce. Because this whole lease

1046
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: of thing is like really crystallizing all the things about

1047
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: Alexei at like all these women have experience with divorce

1048
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: and they're coming into support her because they're like, we've

1049
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: been through this, which I think is what which is

1050
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: like heartwarming and touching, But I think ultimately the show

1051
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: is about divorce as a process as opposed to Potomac,

1052
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: which is about infidelity or about husbands. You know. Yeah,

1053
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just a very I guess, insecure group.

1054
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: There's it's like this cast of women, half of them

1055
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: are very insecure about their romantic lives and the fact

1056
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: that like they can't seem to keep their ship together.

1057
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: But the focus is always on the other happily groups

1058
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: husbands because you you kind of get the sense that

1059
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: it's just like it's this area of their life that

1060
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: they can't sit with, so they're constantly picking and spreading

1061
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: these like really like ridiculous, like baseless rumors about the

1062
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: happily married people. Meanwhile, it just comes out more and

1063
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: more like how conspiratorial and how how like, you know,

1064
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: duplicit this they are, and like what's going on in

1065
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: their own lives is like not as happy as what

1066
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: what's going on on the other side. And I never

1067
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: thought i'd say this, but if Robin does get fired,

1068
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: I do want zeal to stick around for one more season,

1069
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: just so I can watch her squirm and be like

1070
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: without one huge I mean, I I don't think that

1071
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: Robin survives proof that she was not showing her life

1072
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: on the show, Like I just don't think, like that's

1073
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: what you signed up for, you know what I'm saying. Anyways,

1074
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: ripping stuff. I'm surprised you don't get into Housewives, Margaret.

1075
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: I know it's one of those things where it's just

1076
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: somehow it's it just didn't open up to me, like

1077
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: for for whatever reason. And now I feel like it's

1078
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: so far gone that I can't catch up because there's

1079
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: so many different kind of universes of it. But I

1080
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: have to do the Brittany Frankel podcast and I have

1081
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: to go over an episode with her, so maybe that'll

1082
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: help me get more. Call Britney Frankly to her face,

1083
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: you should call Bethany Frankel, Brittany frank No, it's actually

1084
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: very humblings. She Margaret, we're not even kidding. Only you're

1085
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: comfortable with that truly disarmed her by calling her Brittany

1086
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: Frankle Brittany, Brittany Brittney. She would erupt. I love, but yeah,

1087
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Robin Dixon continues to, uh do clownery and the clowns

1088
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: come back to bite. So do you haven't. I don't

1089
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: think so, honey, I do. It's pretty specific. Yeah, okay,

1090
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: and we that specificity. Okay, and this is don't think,

1091
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: sonny as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1092
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Misusing Geneva conventions like throwing it into conversation like, oh,

1093
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: what that person did violated the Geneva Conventions because they

1094
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't like tip their waiter or something. No, you don't.

1095
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: People misuse Geneva conventions either as like the thing that's

1096
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: being talked about, or they think, oh, the Geneva Convention,

1097
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: which isn't really a thing. It's usually in reference to

1098
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: the agreement meeting after World War Two, but people misused

1099
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: Geneva conventions all the time in like casual, gossipy, bitchy ways.

1100
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: It's about war prisoners, it's about civilian rights during times

1101
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: of war. It is not about you, you know, being

1102
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: cut in line. It is not about like your friends

1103
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: being forty five minutes late to a thing. It is,

1104
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: Please stop misusing the Geneva conventions and casually using it

1105
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: in conversations. And you have no clearly have no idea

1106
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: what it is and what it implies. Google's freight look

1107
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: it up. I don't know what it is. I just

1108
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: told you what it is. You did, but I know

1109
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: there's more to know, and so I know that. I'm

1110
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: not yet saying you don't need to know everything. You

1111
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: just need to know the basics, and you will not

1112
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: make this mistake that I see people making all the time,

1113
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: like in like comedy and like it's like a reference

1114
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: that like gets the laugh, I guess, but I'm always like,

1115
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: but no, like these people are laughing not knowing what

1116
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: the Geneva conventions are. I think it's the word geneva.

1117
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: Can it be literally anything else? Can it be like

1118
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: it'd be like that violated by Miranda rights. No, it

1119
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: did it. That violated New York magazine rules. That's good.

1120
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: That's something. It's closer to the idea that's being expressed anyway,

1121
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: by the way that rules of etiquette was wild. I

1122
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you've jumped in there, but I have

1123
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: that the you like them, I like most of them

1124
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: there there are somewhere. I'm like, I don't know about that,

1125
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: but always wink, always win. That was just its cheeky

1126
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: thing to put it there, but I think it is.

1127
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 1: It is viable, Like you don't you can ghost after

1128
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: first date. Trust me, I am all about a ghost

1129
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: after the first date, after a second date. I do

1130
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: think it's weird, Like we could literally go through them.

1131
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: But there were some of them that were like, if

1132
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: you are at dinner with a famous person, don't sit

1133
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: them on the end. I know who's writing this? Who

1134
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: who's writing this? Who do you think is reading this?

1135
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: And also like Amy Saidarris had a great block, but

1136
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: then there's some other person. I don't know who the

1137
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: funk this person was. Hers were like I don't have

1138
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: your assistance send your birthday invites. I'm like, who are

1139
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: you taught talking to? Also the one that was like

1140
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: never asked about work home? Is it weird to be like, so,

1141
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: how's work? Is that weird? Like one of the things

1142
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: you talk about? But I think it's okay to ask

1143
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: about rent. I like that because I want to ask

1144
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: people about money all the time. Yeah, that's one thing

1145
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm into burning down all right, this is Margaret shows.

1146
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Margaret, Yeah, and her time

1147
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Stop commenting on

1148
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: Madonna's appearance. You know she looks great, and it doesn't

1149
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: matter what surgery she decided to get or not get.

1150
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: It is none of our business. You know, women are

1151
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: able to age in any way they want to. She

1152
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: has done so much for the planet and especially for

1153
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: the gay community. We would not have gay rights as

1154
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,959
Speaker 1: we do without Madonna. Madonna has reared us, raised us

1155
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: as a community. She has formed her art, music, fashion, everything.

1156
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: She has formed so much of our world, and we

1157
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: have to have respect for her as part of her art.

1158
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: Now is changing her appearance to please herself, that's her business.

1159
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: I think she looks great. I think she's always looked great,

1160
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: and I want and you don't don't talk about that

1161
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: it looks bad. I I love Madonna and I don't

1162
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Yeah, that's one minute, agreed. I agree.

1163
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: Comments on her appearance are I get people's comments on

1164
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: her behavior because sometimes it is odd. Yeah, I mean,

1165
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: and she literally she also like she's always wanted you

1166
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: to comment on her behavior. She she is provocative. That's

1167
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: part of her thing. It has crossed over now and

1168
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: I think maybe even a little bit by her design

1169
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: to be like another talking point is this, but it

1170
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: does get ugly because our society does not know, it's

1171
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: not capable of talking about this with care. She The

1172
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: other thing about her is that she invented past tense

1173
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: and also it is currently inventing the way in which

1174
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: a female pop star exists in the world, how her

1175
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: career progresses, Like the stages of her career are like

1176
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: beat for beat being projected into like every other girl

1177
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: doing it now. I think it is fair to say

1178
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: that like Gaga like pulled a lot from Madonna, it

1179
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: is fair to say that every single pop girl is

1180
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: like working from the blueprint that Donna has set. She's

1181
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: still drawing out the blueprint though. It like when these

1182
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: girls are in their sixties, like this is what they'll

1183
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: be doing. It will resemble something like this. And so

1184
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: it's fine that she like is looking the way she

1185
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: looks or is talking the way she talks for the

1186
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: most part, because it's like this has not been done before.

1187
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: Is that there to say? Yeah? Yeah? And I love

1188
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: just that she's able to live her own sixty, Like

1189
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: this is like sixty for her, and that to me

1190
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: is really exciting. You know, we don't have to give

1191
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: up anything when we age. We can actually just enhance

1192
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: and explore and be a part of this wonderful Like

1193
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: she's a place in a place where she can spend

1194
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: money on these things that I think give her the

1195
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: appearance that she wants and I think she looks great.

1196
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: Have you met her? I haven't, which is weird. Yeah,

1197
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: that is I've never had the honor, so yeah, for

1198
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason, never worked out. She hasn't had the honor either. Well,

1199
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: she she do through a boom She she do through

1200
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: a boom boom room party. She does like a Pride

1201
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: party every year. So we just got to get those

1202
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: streams to cross. Yes, you should come to New York

1203
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: for Pride this year. I would love to. That would

1204
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: be fun and then we can hang out. There was

1205
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: all those rumors about us getting a Pride float last

1206
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: year for Fire Island. There was maybe for the sequel.

1207
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: We should make a sequel though, I mean I really

1208
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: think that we're we need to write. We see your idea,

1209
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: what's your pitch? Do you have? What's cooking in your

1210
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: brain because we know these ideas are percolating, your pitching

1211
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: and meetings, us doing a reality show, game show like

1212
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: what's going on? What's What's I know, the reality and

1213
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: also the yangover and Roger that in my podcast, my

1214
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: fake podcast network, the Fire Island Podcast Network. Um yeah,

1215
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: I think it's it's where Howie and Charlie getting married

1216
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: and we all go to the wedding, but it's in Provincetown.

1217
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: That seems like the right thing. Yeah, that's been what's percolating,

1218
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: I feel. And when you watched the movie back, what

1219
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: did you feel. We haven't seen you since I know,

1220
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: what was it like watching it? It was so exciting.

1221
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: It was so exciting. It's beautiful. I mean, it's just beautif.

1222
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: I saw a few times and I showed it to

1223
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: friends and I just, um, I really, it's just such

1224
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful film, Like it's shot in such a sweeping,

1225
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: beautiful camera. Everybody looks so great, you know. I just

1226
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: also remember all the moments in between the scenes as well,

1227
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: like from from off camera. But just watching it was

1228
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: another level of like excitement and fun and you know,

1229
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: just appreciation for all of your work and Andrew's vision. Well,

1230
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: You're you're such a standout in it. I mean, you're

1231
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:40,440
Speaker 1: scene with Joel All, I mean, all your scenes are excellent, fantastic,

1232
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: Margaret you Like we were watching it, We got to

1233
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: see it on the big screen a bunch because of

1234
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: the premiers you are doing. You always got such a

1235
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: huge response. And it's also like what you're saying is

1236
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: also like a really special thing about it. Like I

1237
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: do remember, like you know that scene where you're telling

1238
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: us that you're going to lose the house, Like I

1239
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: just remember that day, like us going leaving the table

1240
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: and then resetting and then leaving and resetting and trying

1241
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: different things. And yeah, it's like there was such a

1242
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: special experience because there was also like bonding going on

1243
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: between us in this thing that ended up being really

1244
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: good that I think we all thought was really good.

1245
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 1: And then to watch it, it's like, yeah, your shoulders

1246
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: drop a little bit and you breathe easier because you're like, Okay,

1247
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: this thing we thought was special actually really ended up

1248
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: in special. Yeah. Uh, well, we absolutely adore this individual.

1249
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: I love you honestly, like we love you so much.

1250
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: And so the tour starts when in Vancouver. It starts

1251
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: at February eighteenth in Vancouver and goes all over for

1252
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: the next year and check us on sale. Yes, Margaret

1253
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: Show dot com and Everywhere Show dot com and everywhere else.

1254
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The touring girls this summer are Taylor Swift, Madonna, Beyonce,

1255
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: Margaret Show, Catch the Four Horse, Horrors of the Apocalypse,

1256
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: oh Man, and Lucia. It was great to have you.

1257
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: It's so good to see Lucia. We had every episode

1258
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: of the Song with a song, But what's the song

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Speaker 1: I got? Jeez, it's allegrifying. Remember I did a dance

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Speaker 1: routine to that one time and my parents and their

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Speaker 1: friends all looked at me after because we were they

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Speaker 1: were the judges, and they said it was a lot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was well, lave it at that. Bye.