1
00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200
Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

2
00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,039
Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky

3
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,880
Speaker 1: back with you, Buck, what's up? Another man is going Uh.

4
00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 1: We are like getting closer and closer where it's getting real,

5
00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,920
Speaker 1: Like the conversation that you have with your buddies about

6
00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,239
Speaker 1: the draft in the league. Some of them are still

7
00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,759
Speaker 1: willing to engage us. I've started to go dark, but

8
00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of part of the process when we get

9
00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,560
Speaker 1: up to the run up to the draft, but a

10
00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120
Speaker 1: few weeks away. I think right now, DJ, I think

11
00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,760
Speaker 1: it would be important to kind of tell everybody what

12
00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,199
Speaker 1: teams are going through. Like you got the last of

13
00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,120
Speaker 1: these pro days and then you get the visits, but

14
00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,879
Speaker 1: we're almost about to come back in and have these

15
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,839
Speaker 1: final meetings where we kind of like really solidify the

16
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,200
Speaker 1: board where the background stuff, the character stuff comes in,

17
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,920
Speaker 1: the medical stuff comes in. That's the medical stuff, and

18
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,240
Speaker 1: some of your favorite players. When you open the board,

19
00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,640
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, where's my god him where and you

20
00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 1: find out he's on the mystery board. He's on the

21
00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,880
Speaker 1: board back then where we can't touch it for various reasons,

22
00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,160
Speaker 1: and so it's a very interesting time, but it's one

23
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,400
Speaker 1: of those times that I think scouts look forward to. Yeah,

24
00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,760
Speaker 1: on today's U Pod, we're going to go through position

25
00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,920
Speaker 1: by position, talk about, um, who we have as a

26
00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,679
Speaker 1: top player at each position, but also who we think

27
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,640
Speaker 1: could maybe be the surprise and surprise in terms of

28
00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,280
Speaker 1: could be the first player taken at that position, which

29
00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,720
Speaker 1: could be a surpris or maybe somebody that could go

30
00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 1: much earlier, much later than kind of maybe what some

31
00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,680
Speaker 1: of the consensus is out there. UM. So that that's

32
00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of the plan for today. But you mentioned kind

33
00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,640
Speaker 1: of what's going on right now Buck, for those who

34
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,800
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, all the scouts are out at

35
00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,120
Speaker 1: Pro days and those are wrapping up, finishing up. I

36
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,400
Speaker 1: think we have Stingley going today. I think Drake Lennon

37
00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,240
Speaker 1: might be going next week. Maybe that'll probably be the

38
00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,640
Speaker 1: last one. Um. But so then you've got all that

39
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,200
Speaker 1: information from the pro days. Now the scouts will reconvene

40
00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,480
Speaker 1: here probably in another week or so to kind of

41
00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,920
Speaker 1: get the final touches on the board to kind of

42
00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,800
Speaker 1: put that where it needs to be. And as you mentioned,

43
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,760
Speaker 1: scouts are out and inside the building as the medical

44
00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,120
Speaker 1: information is coming in and some of the psychological testing,

45
00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,280
Speaker 1: some of the character stuff is is trickled in and

46
00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,639
Speaker 1: you get all that stuff sorted out. You can come

47
00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,120
Speaker 1: into that draft room after not having been there, you know,

48
00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,440
Speaker 1: since before the combine, and you can see what you

49
00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 1: remember that board look like, and it can look a

50
00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,720
Speaker 1: whole lot different. UM and medical being the number one driver, UM,

51
00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,080
Speaker 1: and I'll get that stuff. I usually talked to a

52
00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,600
Speaker 1: couple of teams who will kind of clue me in

53
00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,320
Speaker 1: on that. On on the medical stuff, I never share that.

54
00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to. I'm not trying to damage

55
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,680
Speaker 1: anybody's stock. We root for all these kids, but I

56
00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,160
Speaker 1: like to be aware if somebody's you know, sliding the draft,

57
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 1: then you can expect that time. Then on TV you

58
00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of explain like, hey, the reason why this sixth

59
00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,280
Speaker 1: overall player hasn't gone yet and we're in the second

60
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 1: round is because there were some lingering medical questions. But

61
00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:56,040
Speaker 1: I will say my initial conversation with personnel guy yesterday,

62
00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,679
Speaker 1: the day before we uh, we kind of I set

63
00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:59,919
Speaker 1: up a time like, hey, let's got a time to

64
00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 1: go over all the medical stuff, and he said, you know,

65
00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600
Speaker 1: it's so far the stuff we have on all the

66
00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,440
Speaker 1: top guys, there hasn't been anything super alarming, So maybe

67
00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,959
Speaker 1: this is a year we don't have that. That'd be great. Yeah,

68
00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 1: you like the think that like that, you you hope

69
00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,399
Speaker 1: for that. Uh. In a perfect world, all the top

70
00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,520
Speaker 1: prospects are clean and and now just becomes an evaluation

71
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,920
Speaker 1: on talent and fit. How talented are they? Do they

72
00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,880
Speaker 1: fit what we want to do? Let's rank them here.

73
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,480
Speaker 1: When you have the medical stuff come into it, or

74
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720
Speaker 1: you have other character concerns come into it, then it

75
00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,240
Speaker 1: just muddies up the board and muddies up the process.

76
00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,880
Speaker 1: And so hopefully UM to to date we haven't had

77
00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,160
Speaker 1: many of those things that have come up, little things,

78
00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,600
Speaker 1: but nothing like super major UM and hopefully hopefully we

79
00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,280
Speaker 1: can avert some of the surprises that can pop up.

80
00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's jump into it here, let's go, let's go

81
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,040
Speaker 1: buy position, and you got your top fives. I got

82
00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,400
Speaker 1: my list here, and I figured we kind of go

83
00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,880
Speaker 1: who your top player is at the position, and then

84
00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,920
Speaker 1: let's try and identify that one like surprise that's coming,

85
00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,600
Speaker 1: whether it's a player that could be the first off

86
00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,720
Speaker 1: the board or somebody could slide, like what's the what's

87
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,640
Speaker 1: the unexpected? So let's start. I've got it kind of

88
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,360
Speaker 1: just sorted, so it's gonna jump around from offense to defense.

89
00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,960
Speaker 1: But let's start with the corners. UM kind of going

90
00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,279
Speaker 1: alphabetical here looking at that position. So your number one

91
00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 1: corner is who, Okay, let me go down. I think

92
00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,600
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is my number one corner, and I think

93
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,919
Speaker 1: everyone has kind of positioned him up there because of

94
00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,680
Speaker 1: the length, um, the the overall playing ability. Dude is

95
00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,760
Speaker 1: really really talented. When you watch him play, he dominates

96
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,880
Speaker 1: against the people that he's faced. He does a great

97
00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,560
Speaker 1: job of really good nose and nose and eliminating and

98
00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,240
Speaker 1: snuffing guys out on the perimeter. I like him personally

99
00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,520
Speaker 1: because in talking to him, I feel like he's wired

100
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,719
Speaker 1: the right way to be a high level player for

101
00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,480
Speaker 1: a long time, barring injury. This guy loves ball. He's

102
00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,160
Speaker 1: serious about his preparation process. He has what we all

103
00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,560
Speaker 1: that athletic arrogance that elite corners must have. But I

104
00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,760
Speaker 1: think he's not UM kind of the outlier. There's gonna

105
00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,640
Speaker 1: be problematic in terms of raining, and I think he'll

106
00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,320
Speaker 1: play within the system and do those things. Uh, to me,

107
00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a favorite. I mean, I just love everything

108
00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,560
Speaker 1: about him, and I would expect him to play at

109
00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560
Speaker 1: a dominant level, uh, fairly early in his career. Yeah,

110
00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 1: he's my He's my top guy. Two's my third overall player.

111
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,279
Speaker 1: And um, you know we've talked about the evaluation a lot.

112
00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,840
Speaker 1: I would say, I got a text from a buddy

113
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,000
Speaker 1: asking me how would he compare to Jalen Ramsey and

114
00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,880
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, Well, Jalen is more explosive. I would say, uh, Jalen,

115
00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,679
Speaker 1: what was the other thing I said in there? Jalen's

116
00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,320
Speaker 1: just physically stronger, Like he's a stronger player and a

117
00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,479
Speaker 1: more dynamic explosive player. You know, Sauce ran four for one,

118
00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,760
Speaker 1: but Jalen Ramsey just he had even more juice in

119
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,960
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, he was. It was. He was a

120
00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000
Speaker 1: longe YMP champion in a CEC maybe two times. You know,

121
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,880
Speaker 1: like like he's a different explosive. Yeah, he was popping

122
00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,159
Speaker 1: in twenty five or twenty six for jumps, which speaks

123
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,479
Speaker 1: to his explosives. So that's what you're talking about. That

124
00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 1: that lower body, lower core explosion. You see that and

125
00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,200
Speaker 1: you really see it when he strikes to tackle, like

126
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,560
Speaker 1: you can feel that um and that. But Sauce is

127
00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,279
Speaker 1: explosive and long enough. I like the comparison because that

128
00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 1: length is something because when you're not the Sauces four

129
00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,760
Speaker 1: for it is like we're super fast. But like if

130
00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,240
Speaker 1: you're not fast, what length does is with technique, it

131
00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,760
Speaker 1: allows you to style me some of those faster guys.

132
00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,680
Speaker 1: You get your hand in the chest earlier, you can

133
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,760
Speaker 1: control them. You can kind of understand how to play.

134
00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,680
Speaker 1: You don't always have to be what we call in

135
00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,640
Speaker 1: phase because the length allows you to still swat away

136
00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,520
Speaker 1: those balls because you're so long, similar to like how

137
00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,080
Speaker 1: Josh Norman used to play in his prime. But Sauce

138
00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,240
Speaker 1: to me is a plus. I don't want to say

139
00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,920
Speaker 1: he is the safest of them all, but I think

140
00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,960
Speaker 1: what we project him to be and what he's going

141
00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,839
Speaker 1: to wind up being, I think that's it's gonna be

142
00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,760
Speaker 1: very very close. Yeah, I would say in his favor

143
00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320
Speaker 1: versus Jim, I'd say he finds and plays the ball

144
00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,479
Speaker 1: a little bit better um than Jalen did coming out,

145
00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,040
Speaker 1: So that would be I don't think a bunch of

146
00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720
Speaker 1: receptions in his career without popping up his desks like

147
00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I never viewed him as a ball hawk,

148
00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,680
Speaker 1: and it's the difference he is in the racer more

149
00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,360
Speaker 1: so than the ball. You put him on the guy

150
00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about. He man, we're gonna

151
00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,440
Speaker 1: help you. We're gonna do this. You're locked up. And

152
00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,720
Speaker 1: I think his strength is that. And I think what

153
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,920
Speaker 1: Jalen has done is he's added more tools to the

154
00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,560
Speaker 1: tool bus because he played outside and inside. I don't

155
00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,680
Speaker 1: know if Sauce has that capability, but him being a

156
00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,280
Speaker 1: dominant player on the outside is plenty good enough. Yeah,

157
00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 1: So that we've kind of were on We're on the

158
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,600
Speaker 1: same page here, we're reading from the same book about

159
00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 1: Sauce Gonner being the number one guy. So then now

160
00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,960
Speaker 1: the question is who could be the surprise in any

161
00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 1: any area of the draft of this position. Let me

162
00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,600
Speaker 1: give you mine. So far, I think there's a little

163
00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,160
Speaker 1: there's some, there's not, there's not consensus. It's a little

164
00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,520
Speaker 1: bit of a polarizing player. But I have year Elim

165
00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,960
Speaker 1: from Florida. He was in my forties. He's actually just

166
00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,440
Speaker 1: outside my top fifty right now. So he's literally literally

167
00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,840
Speaker 1: my number one corner outside the fifty. But there's love

168
00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,320
Speaker 1: on the streets for him, and I would not be

169
00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,760
Speaker 1: shocked if he ended up, you know, working his way

170
00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,840
Speaker 1: into round one or found his way into a round one.

171
00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,720
Speaker 1: So that one for me would be maybe a little

172
00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,200
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise to keep an eye on. And

173
00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,280
Speaker 1: be Elien from Florida, who's you know, six one and

174
00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,760
Speaker 1: a half hud pounds ran four three nine, really really

175
00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 1: physical impressed. I just thought he was a little bit tight,

176
00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,160
Speaker 1: and I thought some of the transition stuff, um he struggled.

177
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,719
Speaker 1: But um, that's that's one to me. I would say

178
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,679
Speaker 1: it's a surprise at that position. That's when I keep

179
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 1: an eye on. You know, I think he is he's

180
00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,920
Speaker 1: he's intriguing, right because it was the thing. It was

181
00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640
Speaker 1: a concern about the speed thing that it kind of

182
00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,600
Speaker 1: made everyone kind of paused to payments on him, like

183
00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,240
Speaker 1: you want to pay it off, like he deserves being

184
00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,800
Speaker 1: the thing. But then you're like, I don't know how

185
00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,800
Speaker 1: to ask you on time and and this and that.

186
00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,679
Speaker 1: Um the guy for me that I wouldn't say he's surprised,

187
00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,320
Speaker 1: but I would say I don't know if people have

188
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760
Speaker 1: talked about him enough based on how I think he's

189
00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,800
Speaker 1: going to play, and that would be Andrew Booth from Clemson.

190
00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,680
Speaker 1: And when I look at Andrew Booth, to me, he

191
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,920
Speaker 1: is as safe as they come on the outlet, and

192
00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000
Speaker 1: I would liking him. Two. I don't have the same

193
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,680
Speaker 1: grade on him as I had on Certain, but remember

194
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,319
Speaker 1: the conversation with Certain and J. C. Horne and others. Hey, Certain,

195
00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,920
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you're get in. From a technical standpoint.

196
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,320
Speaker 1: He can do X Y and Z. J. C. Horn

197
00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,040
Speaker 1: may give you more juice, more upside or whatever. When

198
00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,360
Speaker 1: I look at Andrew Booth, I know exactly what he

199
00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,720
Speaker 1: is from a technical standpoint. I believe he can play

200
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 1: in any system because he can peddle, he can press,

201
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,520
Speaker 1: he can bail, he can play man or his own.

202
00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 1: He has good eyes, and then he's a very dependable

203
00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 1: and reliable tackler, and I think that is underrated in

204
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,719
Speaker 1: the game. To me, the conversation, uh, I think he's

205
00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna be between do I want to gamble on Derek

206
00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,880
Speaker 1: Stingley and what he was in twenty nineteen as a

207
00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,959
Speaker 1: freshman when he was maybe the best corner in the land,

208
00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,960
Speaker 1: or do I want the safe, independable and reliable Andrew

209
00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,880
Speaker 1: Booth who has a skill set. It allows me to

210
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,840
Speaker 1: this allows him to play in any scheme. It just

211
00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,640
Speaker 1: reminded me, Um Stingley is going right now. So I'm

212
00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,640
Speaker 1: I just actually texted one of my buddies, So I

213
00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,160
Speaker 1: think it's going to be there. Just maybe we'll get

214
00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,600
Speaker 1: some numbers, some good numbers here while we're recording this podcast. UM, yeah,

215
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you on both. He's my thirtieth player, buck

216
00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,280
Speaker 1: mirror and match, quick fluid, all that stuff. I don't

217
00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to run a forty because

218
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,120
Speaker 1: of the injury. UM, so you won't have that on him.

219
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,320
Speaker 1: But you know he's a first round corner to me

220
00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,200
Speaker 1: all day long. UM, let's let's let's keep it moving here.

221
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,320
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next position that I have here,

222
00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,200
Speaker 1: which is safety. So we'll say, say, in the defensive backfield,

223
00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,839
Speaker 1: I think we're both uh gonna be Kyle Hamilton's is

224
00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,720
Speaker 1: the top safety. UM, I don't know, we need to

225
00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,800
Speaker 1: go deep into that. Um. You know, one of the

226
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,439
Speaker 1: things with him is people are going to freak out

227
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,480
Speaker 1: about the forty time and all that. But your eyes,

228
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,760
Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd rather have excellent eyes and a little

229
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,200
Speaker 1: bit lesser forty than to have an unbelievable forty with

230
00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,840
Speaker 1: poor eyes happens. It's funny, right, And here here's why

231
00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,839
Speaker 1: you have to keep the times and stuff in perspective.

232
00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,679
Speaker 1: DJ not after the comment, I wasn't worried, Like when

233
00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,920
Speaker 1: he ran four or five, I was okay, whatever, he's safety.

234
00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,719
Speaker 1: When the four seventh thing or whatever came back from

235
00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,280
Speaker 1: the prody, then I was like, whoa, let me go

236
00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,200
Speaker 1: back and looking tape and what happened? And this is

237
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,840
Speaker 1: why you always have to go back to the tape. DJ.

238
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,760
Speaker 1: I fell in love all over again with his game,

239
00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,440
Speaker 1: like this dude is and this dude is terrific, you know,

240
00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,079
Speaker 1: and and you watched him. He was on his way

241
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,839
Speaker 1: to having a bank out year, multiple interception games as

242
00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,920
Speaker 1: far as to stay like, this guy was on his

243
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,800
Speaker 1: way to being everything. He only has eight career interceptions,

244
00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,240
Speaker 1: but when you watch how he's played, I believe in

245
00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame they left a little meat on the bone

246
00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,319
Speaker 1: in terms of how they could deploy. He is not

247
00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,040
Speaker 1: the same athlete and animal that Derwin James is. However,

248
00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,480
Speaker 1: you see flashes and glimpses of him blitzing where he

249
00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,960
Speaker 1: gets home, but he doesn't get the sack, and I

250
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,480
Speaker 1: feel like he's been underutilized in terms of being around

251
00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,080
Speaker 1: the box, and so I think he is one of

252
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 1: the rare guys that could do both. He could play

253
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,880
Speaker 1: ornament on top of the Christmas tree, or you can

254
00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,120
Speaker 1: drop him in the box, and I think there's a

255
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,680
Speaker 1: value to that, particularly for a defense that may play

256
00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,320
Speaker 1: right and left safeties as opposed to a free and

257
00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,160
Speaker 1: a strong I just think this guy. I hope he

258
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,680
Speaker 1: gets with the right coordinator that fully unleashes him, because

259
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,880
Speaker 1: I think he can be a very special player at

260
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,079
Speaker 1: the next level. Yeah, I'm with you. He's my fourth

261
00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,680
Speaker 1: overall player. Let me give you, though, the surprise because

262
00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,040
Speaker 1: we're trying to think of that moment on draft night

263
00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,680
Speaker 1: where we're like, whoa wait a second. We've talked about it.

264
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,880
Speaker 1: As much as we like Kyle Hamilton's there's a chance

265
00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,280
Speaker 1: he drifts a little bit because the position and maybe

266
00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,800
Speaker 1: not the ideal test and you're looking for. So we've

267
00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,440
Speaker 1: kind of talked about him falling out of the top

268
00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,319
Speaker 1: ten potentially with Derwin James. We live in the world

269
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,560
Speaker 1: with Derwin James won seventeen, so this shouldn't be a shock,

270
00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,720
Speaker 1: right crazy, so he could slide down. Here's my here's

271
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,760
Speaker 1: my my one that I think maybe this could be

272
00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,000
Speaker 1: our surprise on draft day. Daxton Hill is my night.

273
00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,120
Speaker 1: He's my nineteenth player. I think he can I mean

274
00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,840
Speaker 1: he can play in the nickel. See him do it.

275
00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,800
Speaker 1: That's primarily where he was. He can play. We talked

276
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,440
Speaker 1: about at the top of the Christmas tree. Be that

277
00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,280
Speaker 1: that true post safety. I think he can play corner.

278
00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,200
Speaker 1: He's got that type of athleticism feet. You talk about

279
00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,760
Speaker 1: testing six o two, so six funds ran four three eight.

280
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,840
Speaker 1: So he's my nineteenth player. Hamilton's my fourth player. It's

281
00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,520
Speaker 1: conceivable that if Hamilton's dropping, and just from where I

282
00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,280
Speaker 1: have him, if teams are maybe even a little bit

283
00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,520
Speaker 1: higher on Hill, we could we could wake up, you know,

284
00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,960
Speaker 1: the day after the first round Buck and live in

285
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,080
Speaker 1: a world where Daxton Hill gets picked ahead of Kyle

286
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,280
Speaker 1: Hamilton's That that would not be out of the realm

287
00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,520
Speaker 1: of possibility. Are you with me on that? I'm with

288
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,640
Speaker 1: you on that. And this is what I want to

289
00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,160
Speaker 1: give the listener last view insight on for years, going

290
00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,120
Speaker 1: back to when we worked with teams, we started the

291
00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,720
Speaker 1: conversation that a, we need to treat the nickel corner

292
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,200
Speaker 1: as if he's the twelfth starter. We need to have

293
00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,080
Speaker 1: a place on the board for the nickel corner. And

294
00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,280
Speaker 1: we talked about it, but it never kind of existed.

295
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,920
Speaker 1: It was kind of the place where you put all

296
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,400
Speaker 1: the small guys right, all the five A, five nine guys,

297
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,520
Speaker 1: this is the nickel. Well, now, as you see each

298
00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,000
Speaker 1: and every week, and as we're seeing, the nickel corner

299
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,200
Speaker 1: has his own set of responsibilities and attributes that are

300
00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,040
Speaker 1: needed to thrive there. You have teams that have a

301
00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,760
Speaker 1: dedicated nickel coach only coaches the nickel because because he

302
00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,920
Speaker 1: has to have some different he has to play linebackers

303
00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,400
Speaker 1: and times he has to play in the middle. He

304
00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,720
Speaker 1: has to play all those things. Daxton heels experience, and

305
00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,320
Speaker 1: I thought what was great on paths of the draft

306
00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,640
Speaker 1: is we you you showed where he lined up in

307
00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,840
Speaker 1: the various spots that he lined up on the board.

308
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,000
Speaker 1: I think people need to visualize I got playing deep

309
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,520
Speaker 1: middle nickel in the box because as teams are beginning

310
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,480
Speaker 1: to play their defense in sub packages, nicol dimes some

311
00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,560
Speaker 1: combination of the two, you have to have guys that

312
00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,000
Speaker 1: can move around and have the ability to be versatile

313
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,600
Speaker 1: play by play, week the week, whatever is needed against

314
00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,960
Speaker 1: the team. Daxton Hill's value, particularly for a defensive minded coach,

315
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,840
Speaker 1: his value is going to be high and maybe much

316
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,640
Speaker 1: higher than us on the media side recognized. So I

317
00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see Daxton Hill come off the

318
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,320
Speaker 1: board a lot higher than anyone recognized. Like, why's you

319
00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,680
Speaker 1: know he's an impact He is an impact player for me,

320
00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,600
Speaker 1: Joko and Brisker is the one to keep an eye

321
00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:51,280
Speaker 1: on only in terms of guys love athletes and guys

322
00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520
Speaker 1: who can move around and guys who can kind of

323
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 1: hit and do some other stuff. And he is and

324
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,040
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy and maybe it's the uniform when it

325
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,080
Speaker 1: comes to Penn State. Penn State is accumulated like this

326
00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:08,280
Speaker 1: set of athletes. They they have a track team that

327
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,040
Speaker 1: can play. He is an intriguing one. I think you

328
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,600
Speaker 1: have to have a clear plan for how you want

329
00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,960
Speaker 1: to play him and deployment. I don't think he's for

330
00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,720
Speaker 1: everybody's taste, but he has intriguing talent that I would

331
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,400
Speaker 1: want to kind of cultivate and to kind of figure

332
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,160
Speaker 1: out a way to kind of put him in the

333
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200
Speaker 1: mix because he can play. Louis also from Georgia. You're

334
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 1: talking about someone if you're talking about sneak into one,

335
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 1: he could get into one. Wouldn't shock if you still

336
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,360
Speaker 1: have some of those old school values where you believe

337
00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,840
Speaker 1: that your safety has to be an enforcer. I don't

338
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,160
Speaker 1: know that there's a more ferocious hitter, yeah than the

339
00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,200
Speaker 1: Georgia kid seven. That's type of persons. He absolutely hits

340
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,800
Speaker 1: you to knock you to sleep. He puts, he puts

341
00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240
Speaker 1: the babies to sleep. He's another one. Yep, absolutely, I'm

342
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,920
Speaker 1: with you on those, Um and Brisker. To me, it

343
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: was better. You know, when he's down in that box,

344
00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,560
Speaker 1: covering tight ends physical, he can kind sort through the

345
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,120
Speaker 1: trash and the run game. There's a good safety from

346
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,720
Speaker 1: Penn State. Um, okay, let's go to defensive tackles are

347
00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,479
Speaker 1: the next one up. So my top defensive tackle is

348
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, who we've talked a lot about. With that

349
00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,399
Speaker 1: ridiculous for seven eight he ran out of Georgia three pounds.

350
00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,600
Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like it. Um, he's in great shape. Um,

351
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,960
Speaker 1: he's he's my top guy. Kind of a unique player.

352
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,600
Speaker 1: I guess we probably should have talked about him when

353
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,359
Speaker 1: we're talking about unicorns the other day on Path of

354
00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,160
Speaker 1: the Draft, he is that's a heightweight, speed kind of unicorn.

355
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,120
Speaker 1: Um with what he is, but the you know kind

356
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,400
Speaker 1: of a surprise. You know, I'll give you. My surprise

357
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,760
Speaker 1: would be I know we've talked a lot about Davante

358
00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,040
Speaker 1: Wyatt and I don't think that's crazy. He's my second player,

359
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,000
Speaker 1: he's my twentieth player. If he ended up leap frog

360
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,520
Speaker 1: and his teammate there, I don't think that would be

361
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 1: a huge shock. But my surprise might be a guy

362
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 1: like Logan Hall from Houston, who some teams love if

363
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,159
Speaker 1: they have a is that your guy? Because he's my

364
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,640
Speaker 1: fiftie player, but he could go on the bottom of one.

365
00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,439
Speaker 1: We've seen it with the with the Peyton Turner from Houston,

366
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359
Speaker 1: So same school, similar type of a player. UM. You

367
00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,159
Speaker 1: know to me, he's got that Marcus Davenport type body. Um.

368
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,920
Speaker 1: He can do a lot of things. But some teams

369
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,239
Speaker 1: have have a very clear vision for him, like if

370
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,320
Speaker 1: you play with a five technique, um, and you the

371
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,119
Speaker 1: teams love him that that want to deploy him that way.

372
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,679
Speaker 1: So UM, that's when I think could be a surprise.

373
00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,840
Speaker 1: Sounds like we're drinking from the same cup there. Yeah,

374
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,760
Speaker 1: he's one. He's hot, man, He is hot on the streets.

375
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,200
Speaker 1: But it is a lot of love for him. Uh,

376
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,840
Speaker 1: And you're right, it could be the surprise like Peyton

377
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,760
Speaker 1: Turner was last year, like someone where do you come

378
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,600
Speaker 1: from the halls? Versatility, um, his reliability, his his impact, potention.

379
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 1: He is one that is certainly um in the mix

380
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,639
Speaker 1: and in the conversation. And let's be honest, man, this

381
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,280
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class to me is really really solid from

382
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 1: you why it to Travis Jones like those guys, and

383
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,879
Speaker 1: really the outlier to me was Trayvon Walker only in

384
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 1: terms of like where do you line him up? Because

385
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 1: I feel like this guy can go in any category.

386
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 1: If I had to put his card on the draft

387
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,920
Speaker 1: board out with d L you can play anywhere, and

388
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 1: I and my mental you can play anywhere along the

389
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,160
Speaker 1: D line, no doubt. Um, all right, let's let's keep

390
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 1: it moving here, Edge Hutchinson, we both have right as

391
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,200
Speaker 1: a top guy there. I don't think there's anything um

392
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 1: crazy there. We've talked a bunch about Walker, you know,

393
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe leap frogging him. It sounds like Jacksonville. We've talked

394
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: about that a bunch being uh conversation being to warn

395
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Trent Balkie connection with Alden Smith haven't

396
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: taken him and seeing some of those similarities there, Yeah,

397
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: the traits, the trays and you just don't you just

398
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know, um how they may may go. I think

399
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,400
Speaker 1: it what's interesting, And I had this conversation earlier, um DJ.

400
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say about the pass rushes

401
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 1: in this class, um, we don't have what we call

402
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 1: extensive resumes a production, meaning there are a lot of

403
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: guys who've had one year of double digit sack production.

404
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: Hutchinson this year, Jermaine us In this year, Cavion Thibodeau

405
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: has never reached double digits UM And so for me, like,

406
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: I would like to see it over a sustained period.

407
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 1: So I feel like this class is good, but I

408
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 1: still believe there's a little more projection because it's not

409
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: the certainty. Like and I go back to Myles Garrett

410
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: von Miller. He says, there's a lot of talent and

411
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 1: that stuff you know, that that you can build up

412
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: on for sure. So give me your surprise, give me

413
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,479
Speaker 1: a surprise here. I think I think I think we're

414
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: in the same camp. I think the kid from Minnesota

415
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: is the one. I think my fee the combination of

416
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: athleticism and I would just say effort in any energy expenditure.

417
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: He comes all day after it. He can ben the

418
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: birds chante him. The Bowl game like he he he

419
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,719
Speaker 1: gets after he had two sacks and the Bowl two

420
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: sacks of the like he he was coming and just

421
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: getting getting off of it. He is one that I

422
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: would keep an eye on, and I know, like it's

423
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: funny because I have words Carl loftis ahead of him. Yeah,

424
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: and I think George is a rugged as defender and

425
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: that stuff. But for if we're talking about the money

426
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: and money downs in closing out games, I might lean

427
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: towards my fe if I'm if I'm building the closeout team, yeah,

428
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: can can we just I want to take a little

429
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: sidebar discussion here because I've worked for teams that have

430
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: done this both ways and I don't. I'm curious to

431
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: see if you have as well. Um, there's two types

432
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: of fronts, Okay. A lot of people focus on a

433
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: three man fund or a four man front, even odd

434
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: front right to me, when you look at it, especially

435
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: when you watch the game today. You see there's two

436
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: styles of defensive line play in this league right now.

437
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: There is a read front and there is an attack front,

438
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: and and and you know, look, and I was around

439
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: Jim Washburn, who was kind of you know, he's the

440
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: wide nine guru, the wide nine king, which is you're

441
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: gonna split your ends out wide and we are in

442
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: attack mode. He used to say in our draft meetings.

443
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: Read is a four letter word, like we we are

444
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: not sitting and acting blocks and playing at the line

445
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. We are going to get to the football

446
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: as fast as we can, and we're going to create

447
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: a mess in a card crash on the way there.

448
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: And I think a guy. The reason why I say

449
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: this is because if you watched ma Fe play at Minnesota,

450
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: there are times where I thought, especially because he doesn't

451
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: have a ton of experience, there were times I think

452
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: he was bogged down. You know, he's trying to think,

453
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: my am I pinching? Am I doing this? My playing

454
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: inside and my stacked inside. And then he went to

455
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and I believe he was with the Jets,

456
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, and the Jets, the Jets come

457
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 1: from solid comes from San Francisco. San Francisco's D line coach. Uh,

458
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: Chris who did Chris Casserk learn under? Who's his mentor?

459
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: Jim Washburn. So this is that's what the Jets do.

460
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Clear your mind. Just let's we're gonna put our handed

461
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: around and we are going to rock like that is it?

462
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: You are getting off the ball and go and uh

463
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: And I think you saw him turn into a different

464
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: player down there. So I think it depending on what

465
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: type of a front you are, what you're asking your

466
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: guys to do, you're gonna see those attack fronts they're

467
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: gonna love boy ma fe um. I think that even

468
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Nick Finito, they're gonna love. Oh yeah,

469
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Just just get off the ball

470
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: and go. Um. And then I think those teams might

471
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: not be as high on car Loftie, who, like you said,

472
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: it's a little more rugged, not quite as dynamic. Um,

473
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: But somebody who could hold the point of attack and

474
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: do those things if you want to, you know, maybe

475
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: more of a readfront team might be a little bit

476
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: higher on car Offtice than others. So I think that's

477
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: an important factor when you're trying to figure out, you know,

478
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: who's gonna go on, who's gonna maybe drop a little

479
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: bit in this draft. It depends on what you're looking for.

480
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because stylistically there are differences between the

481
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: guys and uh, you talked about it, and I'm glad

482
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: you you took time to to explain it because there

483
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: is that DJ play uh play. The team has been

484
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: around teams where your best pass rushers. Hey, man, it

485
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: ain't a whole lot of thinking. It's reacting. It's instinctive.

486
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: It's an artistry to it. You know, there's a plan,

487
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: but it is going, going, going, going, going, going, going,

488
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: and you have to do it. The guys who are

489
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: reading react are more the rugged, powerfullyers and stuff like that.

490
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: And so yeah, my face and Nick, we know those

491
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: guys that can go in the right front, particularly with

492
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: more teams, and we talked about playing sub packages where

493
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: we're putting a two down linemen, four stand up guys

494
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of floating around and doing these funny exotic fronts

495
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: where you're just trying to hit with pressure everywhere. Yeah,

496
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: those athletes, those explosive athletes, they go to the front

497
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: of the line. Yeah, so it's something just to keep

498
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: an one. I would say my kind of surprise would

499
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: be Aba Katie from Penn State. Oh, he's my thirty

500
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: six player. He's in my he's in my and we'll

501
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: get to the other positions as well. When I look

502
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: at my list and you're you know, when you have

503
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: this stuff, you're looking at it every single day. And

504
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Remember Jalen Hurts here, I said, Buck,

505
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: I got this feeling about him like I'm too low

506
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: on him, like I I And then at the last update,

507
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I moved him up

508
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: and put him in my top fifty at the very end.

509
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: And while the good luck the jury is still out

510
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: on him, Jalen Hurts has shown some problem us and

511
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: there's a you know having him no matter what he's

512
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: been starting back, he's been a starting quarterback in the league.

513
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. When you put someone in

514
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: top fifty, meaning that they're gonna go in the first

515
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: two rounds. The second round is an individual starter whatever

516
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: that looks like. He has started games in this league,

517
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: which makes the evaluation kind of like right on point,

518
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: and that's how you have the view like whether we

519
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: like him personally in terms of like what I want

520
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: that as my starting quarterback is not necessarily that is,

521
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: this guy projects to be a start in the league,

522
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: and he has been a starter in this league. Yeah so,

523
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: but Ebb Katie is kind of one of those guys

524
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: for me. I look at him, he's my thirty six guy,

525
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: and we'll see. I'll do my I think I have

526
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: at least one more I think maybe just one more update,

527
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: which will be right before the draft. He's thirty six.

528
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: I started him out in the twenties. I got he

529
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: didn't have a huge senior Bowl, so I pulled him

530
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: down a little bit. I've since moved him back. He's

531
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: thirty six. He's gonna probably make his way in my

532
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: top thirty two players because I just I read him

533
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and when you read your notes and you're like, what

534
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: the heck am I doing? Man? Move him up? He

535
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: reads too good. Um. Okay, let's go to uh I

536
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: think we and skip over fullbacks. I don't think anybody

537
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: you know I like Connor Heyward or like you're in

538
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: my hall. But we'll move on there. Let's go interior

539
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Okay, um, who is your top interior offensive

540
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: lineman and uh, you know what could be a surprise here?

541
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: What do you think? Okay, so my top interior offensive

542
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: linement is Green Kenyan Green from Texas A and m

543
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: um same And I mean asked DJ when when I

544
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: look at his tape, like if I feel like I

545
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: need a little pepping my step and I just want

546
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: to be this dude is one of the best I've

547
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: seen in a pin and pool scheme. But he is

548
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: a pool mass. You want to skipping pool and come

549
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: around the edge and just absolutely obliterate and unsuspecting defensive

550
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: tackla d N that's your's your guy. I mean he comes,

551
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: he comes hard, and when he comes he comes with

552
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: bad intention. So to me, he is he is the guy.

553
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean strength, power, explosiveness. I mean, he's just a

554
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: monster in the run game. There are a bunch of

555
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: guys in this class that I think can play bullyball

556
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. He's at the front of

557
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: the line. Okay, I'm I'm with you on that one. Uh,

558
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: he's my top guy as well. The fact he's played

559
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: four spots I love that as well. My surprise, here's

560
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: my surprise, Um, I have a Kenyan Green, lender Bomb,

561
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson is my top three interior guys. Here's my surprise.

562
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: Cam Jurgens went ahead of Tyler lender Bomb. I would

563
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: not be shocked, and I love lender Bomb. Like Jurgen's

564
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: is not in my top fifty. He's right on the cusp.

565
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: His tape is good. Him and lender Bomb both have

566
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: issues when they get some size over their nose. But

567
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: but Jurgen's is longer than lender Bomb. He's more explosive

568
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: and dynamic. He ran four nine two, tested out of

569
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: his mind. Um, they both played with the temperament that

570
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: you want. I'm just telling you that that would not

571
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: be surprising to me, and I'm thinking probably early too.

572
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: And we see centers a lot of times kind of

573
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: drift a little bit. If Jurgens went just ahead of

574
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: lender Bomb top of the second round, it wouldn't shock me.

575
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: So it's funny, like the note to write, I'm reading

576
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: to write it. Did I head my top five? Uh?

577
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: His sensation of work as a boat him into the

578
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: conversation is one of the top pivots, and like the

579
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: combination of balanced by they control and power can make

580
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: him scheme friendly. Could make him a guy that you

581
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: want to put it. We talked about like, hey, if

582
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: they dropped a three pounder over his here, like hey,

583
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: it could be an issue. But also if you let

584
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: them in in an offense where we talk about elephants

585
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: on parade and we're moving, we're snapping, and we're moving

586
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: and everyone is going to the right into the left.

587
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: Latterly in unison, he's one of the guys. And I

588
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: want people to understand the draft is a bit of

589
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: a beauty patch, and so you stack them up there

590
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: and if the grades are close enough, and we started

591
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: talking about the length, and we started talking about the

592
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: athleticism that we saw the combine and then you know

593
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: what we do and it's healthy too, right, Let's but

594
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the profile tape up. Let's watch this combine versus Dad combine.

595
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Let's watch Hey, you know, I don't know, like it

596
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: might be close enough where you have that conversation and

597
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: you can make the decision that, hey, you know what,

598
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: I'll get this guy in the first round. I'll come

599
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: back and get did Jurgen's as my guy at the

600
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: pivot in the second one. That conversation is gonna be real. Yeah, No,

601
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting again he's healthy that that you know,

602
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: leonder mom not being healthy through this whole process, maybe

603
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: that impacts that as well. Um, all right, let's take

604
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: a quick break. We're gonna come back and knock out

605
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: the rest of these positions. Okay, but we're going linebacker next. Um,

606
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd is my top off the ball linebacker? Is that?

607
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Is that where you are as well? Who do you have?

608
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd? Man? I just I love him in DJ

609
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: like we're pretty because we get a chance to talk

610
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: to these guys, having a chance to sit down with

611
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: him at the combine. Uh, he's great. Love is I

612
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Q love his temperament, kind of love his blue collar demeanor.

613
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I think the guy that he is that Utah is

614
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna be the same guy that shows up wherever he goes.

615
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna continue to be like that. And the versatility

616
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: that he brings, being able to sack the quarterback off

617
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: the edge, being able to slip through cracks as a

618
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: sideline the sideline defender, be able to drop when coverage

619
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: and get his hands on the ball, and to make interceptions.

620
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Guys who make plays continue to make plays. And he

621
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: is a playmaker, and so I just man, I just

622
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: I just love what he brings um as an off

623
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the ball linebacker. Yeah, and I think the surprise, I

624
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: think we're probably gonna be saying the same thing here.

625
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: I always laugh, like, like, kway Walker is my thirty

626
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: third player. He's been in my top fifty from the jump,

627
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: and I think I had him in the twenties earlier,

628
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: but he's never left that area. He's my thirty third overall, dude.

629
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: And uh now it's like this could be the shocker

630
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: of all shockers, Like kway Walker could go in the

631
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: first round. I'm like, na, he's been in that, he's

632
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: been there. This is not a shocker. But if he

633
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: ended up going over to Kobe Dean, that wouldn't stun me.

634
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gosh, he's breaking four inches taller and

635
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: twenty pounds heavier and he's faster. But I mean, you're

636
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: talking about n Kobe Dean's my thirteenth player. Kway Walker

637
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: is my thirty third player. So I'm gonna stick with

638
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: the tape and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and block

639
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: out a little bit of everybody's a session with measurables

640
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: and say, I just think he's same field, same defense.

641
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Who was more impactful in every game I watched Kob Dean. Yeah,

642
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: Nicoby deane Um is very impactful, and there are a

643
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: couple of things that that work against him this time

644
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: of year because the father we get away from ball,

645
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: the more it hurts him. Because when you see him

646
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: and that he's not an imposing figure despite all the

647
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: stuff that we see, don't take where he is a

648
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Tasmanian devil making plays everywhere. We can talk about the

649
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: i Q and how he settled everyone down, he's the

650
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: leader and those things. There's still something when you look

651
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: at Quay Walker and some of those other guys, was

652
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: the tendal like, yeah, Channing Tendall Like they just looked like,

653
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when we were talking about a man, let's

654
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: go get the mannequin and build a linebacker. Those guys

655
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: look like the mannequin. Nakobe Dean doesn't. And so sometimes

656
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: that can kind of sway. Dean is a good player,

657
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: but that size and lift for some teams it won't

658
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: be there. And so that's why it's really hard. Like

659
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: when we do those things like we put perfect fit

660
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: or or or the kind of these pseudo mocks on

661
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: TV and you're like, hey, let's put this guy with

662
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: this team. Me like, hey, look, man with the first

663
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: round is like, I don't know if the Patriots like

664
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: a smaller linebacker that traditionally hasn't been their thing. You know,

665
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: the teams that need linebackers aren't necessarily in the first

666
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: round in terms of the ones that I think he

667
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: has more value too. And so it's that funny thing

668
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: where despite of his despite his talent, it may not

669
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: be a spot for him where we deem him to

670
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: go in the first round. Yeah, I'm with you on

671
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: that one. Um, let's get to offensive tackle. Um, I've

672
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: got Ikey. Do you have Ikey or Neil? I still

673
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: have Meal at the top, and but I'm leaning towards

674
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: eventually making that word. No, I actually have it, Kets.

675
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my thing. I thought I thought I

676
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: hadn't switched it yet, But I have one Neal two.

677
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: And this is funny, DJ. But this goes back to

678
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: an old thing and scouting. I had a one of

679
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: my mentors say like, grade the flashes, Like we can

680
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: talk about the consistency, but grade them at their highest

681
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: moments too, and make sure, those highest moments stick out,

682
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: and so I know it's the clip that we continue

683
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: to play over and over on network. But DJ, when

684
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: you see him do some of that nasty stuff, and

685
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the excessive stuff that we've seen

686
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: some guys who've earned a reputation for being like hard nos.

687
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: But but him on the move, mall in defensive backs

688
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: down the like up rooting them from the ground and

689
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: sending them flying through the air. There's something to it.

690
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: His athleticism, his nastiness and talking to him, Um, you

691
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: know when you have those one on ones with prospects, Now,

692
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: this is what your scout head on and you kind

693
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: of talk to him, but you can kind of sense

694
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: that trigger where they have kind of like that dark

695
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: He has some of that, and I just think, man,

696
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: in the right environment, man, he would crush it. Like

697
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: he there's no way that he can go there. But

698
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I only envisioned imagine if Ikey Kwand who played for

699
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens and the way that they play, where

700
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: he can just put knock. He can be white knuckled

701
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: in the ground and I'm just coming and going. I

702
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: just see him with a team and a coach that

703
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: is like, hey man, we're gonna eliminate all these things.

704
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: We just want you to come off and just absolutely

705
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: obliterate the guy for four quarters. Just hit him with

706
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: a I think he has that, But I also think

707
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: that he has the athleticism and the potential that if

708
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: you can refine some of his technique, particularly in pass

709
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: bro I mean, you're talking about a guy that rings

710
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: it all up in terms of being one of the

711
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: top three that we talked about at the position going forward. Yeah,

712
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious on him. He's got you know, to me,

713
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of a he's a two hand puncher, so

714
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: he's my top guy, but a lot of two hand

715
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: punch stuff, and so sometimes he gets over his skis

716
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: a little bit and that led to some balance issues

717
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: there with Ikey. Um times he oversets as well, But

718
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I think those are corre doable. I would The only

719
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: thing I'll push back on the grade and the flashes

720
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: is that was what I did with Greg Robinson when

721
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: he was coming out of Auburn. Now, his as we've

722
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: definitely learned over time, Um, his was makeup related. I

723
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: think why he kind of busted out more than anything else.

724
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: But he had some of those same third level blocks

725
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: with the athleticism. He wasn't good at the boring stuff.

726
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't. It was I think it was

727
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: the Malazon years or whatever. So it wasn't a lot

728
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: of traditional past sets with him, and uh, and so

729
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: he struggled with that. I I think Ikey is way

730
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: further along in terms of past protecting some stuff to

731
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: clean up. But that would be the only pushback Buck

732
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I would have on that, is that sometimes some of

733
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: those flashes that you gotta be good to boring stuff too. Oh,

734
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: you gotta be really good at the boring stuff. You

735
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: gotta be good at the boring stuff. And and it's funny,

736
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, because you go back and forth because my

737
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: my normal, like my normal approach is a I just

738
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: want to hit in the gap. I'll take a stand

739
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: up double. We're good. But then you see this guy

740
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: who was just I mean maybe a spring training maybe

741
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I've seen too many spring training games. I saw that

742
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: the Dodgers shut out the Angels spring training, so maybe

743
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: I got really excited. Um, but looking at we're looking

744
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: at you know, Freddy Freeman come around the corner. I'm like,

745
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, like sometimes you hit a home

746
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: around so some of the stuff. But yeah, now you're right.

747
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: You have to be cautious about that. And that's why

748
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: it's really important. If you told me if I could

749
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: scout the room and who is going to coach, no doubt,

750
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: then I could feel better about that. And sometimes the

751
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: little secret when you the general manager, you have to

752
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: look in your room and say, I gotta know what

753
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: you got, who's my coach? And and for those that

754
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: don't know this is this is not like, this is

755
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: not a theory. This is a fact. We've both been there,

756
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: and we've been in rooms when you know, the first

757
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: round of meetings the coaches are not in the room.

758
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: And I've been on teams. I can't remember one year.

759
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: At one point time, Uh, it was a receiver and

760
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: we had a conversation like, look, if this was you know,

761
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: if this was a corner, we could take this guy

762
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: because he's got all these tools, but he's not ready.

763
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: And we just had more confidence at that time in

764
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: our corners coach and our DBS coach than we did

765
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: in our wide receiver coach. Now you gotta be care

766
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: if you don't want to say that around your coaches.

767
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: You don't want that getting out that you maybe don't

768
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: have faith. But some coaches are just better at developing players.

769
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: You've gotta know your coaches before you pick your players,

770
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: because developmental guys you might not have. You know the

771
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: right people in place to help that. Now that begs

772
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: the question of crap, why don't you go get a

773
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: different coach then? Um, that could help develop guys. But

774
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: you've got head coaches that have power and they have

775
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: their guys that they bring in. You got to know him.

776
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great point that you bring up.

777
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Is there any surprise coming with the tackles buck Uh?

778
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know the guy that I'm waiting on,

779
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Like we we talked, but we don't talk about like

780
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: it's Charles Cross. Yeah, and and DJ here's the thing.

781
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: I really like him. I love the technical stuff, but

782
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: you know who what scares me is like the way

783
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: that we felt about Dillard. That's my that's my problem.

784
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: I had talked about the GM about this the other day.

785
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: He's like, you you're down across. I'm like, man, I

786
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: got a Dillard wound in there somewhere. He's like, you

787
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: can't blame him for Diller. I'm like, I know, but

788
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: it's the same system, same code, And so unfortunately you're like, Okay,

789
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: I love what he does and pass bro, but easy

790
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: gonna be physical enough or whatever. And I know it

791
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: sounds crazy because we're talking about the sec he had

792
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: to hold up in miss cp State, he had to

793
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: deal with some some animals, and but I do I can't.

794
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: I can't help it, Like it's in the back of

795
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: your mind, you know, Yeah, I can't help it. But

796
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I think I think he's really good. And then you

797
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: know that the Trevor Penning thing. The only thing I

798
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: would say that I love what he's tried to create

799
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: in terms of like the demeanor and the toughness and

800
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: death stuff. I just I don't want fake Jim Rents

801
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: if that if that matter, I don't want you know,

802
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: I just needed to be if that's who you are,

803
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: I needed to be really really who you are. But

804
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't want you to put enough, Like some of

805
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: that stuff that we saw was a little well extra, Yeah,

806
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: we'll put off all right. Quarterbacks. We've talked so much

807
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. I don't think we need to spend a

808
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of time here. Um, but I would say, you know,

809
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: I have Kenny Pickett. I think you do too. Write

810
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett as a top guy. I have Willis right

811
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: behind him. My surprise, and this is my guy this

812
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: year where you know I talked about with Jalen Hurts

813
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: and uh, and I said, you know, I'm looking at him.

814
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: I'll read the notes and I see where I have him.

815
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm readily admit I'm late to the party in terms

816
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: of trying to get him up and everything that I

817
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: hear about Desmond Ritter in terms of how he's met

818
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: with teams and how mature is the word that comes

819
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: up over and over and over again with him. And

820
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: he said pro And now, look, he's got some mechanical stuff.

821
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't love the accuracies, inconsistent, I don't love that.

822
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: But when you've got when you've got size, you've got

823
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: enough arm, you're a really good athlete, and you're a

824
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: great kid, and you've been really, really impressive in the room.

825
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I gotta move him up, man. And so that's that's

826
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of the guy I think that I need to

827
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: get in the mix. I tweeted out yesterday or the

828
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: day before that one of the gems I talked to

829
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: said he wouldn't be shocked if we saw, you know,

830
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: Ritter come off the board in the middle of the

831
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: first round, and he kind of identified the Saints having

832
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: those two ones and maybe that could be a potentially

833
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: landing spot there for him. But apparently he's just crushed.

834
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: He's crushed this interview process and in terms have really

835
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: fallen in love with him. Okay, So look, it's not

836
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: about us getting it right early in the process, but

837
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: everything that I've written down, everything that I have in

838
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: my notes, DJ, I've really fallen in love with the guy.

839
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: But what I haven't done is I've been a coward, right,

840
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: I've been a coward in terms of like really elevating

841
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: him to how much I feel for him. So my

842
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: words say, Ritt has been flying under the radar, but

843
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: his experience and explosiveness makes him attractive as a QB one.

844
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: Following a strong showing at the Senior Bowl and the Combine,

845
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: he could be a surprise starter early in his career.

846
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: All right, So then you go back and your research

847
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: when we talk about quarterbacks and even using the old

848
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: par sales thing about experience, these the expertise or whatever.

849
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: He has forty four career wins, not start wins. You

850
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: then go back and you look at Okay, let's see

851
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: because we always talk about quarterbacks elevating the program. So

852
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: this is a group of ve team that made his

853
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: way to the playoff, the college football playoffs. Now that's

854
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: not all because of him, because they are a bunch

855
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: of good players on that Cincinnati team. But he's had

856
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: to play on a big stage and he's had to

857
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff, and so he's not this player.

858
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: But you made up the Marcus Mariota thing. But I'll

859
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: take it. Remember when Russell Wilson was coming out, and

860
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: you remember how Russell Wilson just kind of like, hey,

861
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: you just kind of drove the car and you kind

862
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: of have an appreciation for this, and he goes in

863
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: wisconstantly does that the maturity and stuff that you that

864
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: you talk about. That's why I'm like, man, you know,

865
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: if I'm Seattle and I kind of want to replace

866
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: this same like Desmond Ritta could be that kind of

867
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: thing because the athleticism and I can see a bunch

868
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: of teams saying I kind of get the best of

869
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: both worlds. I get a guy who has managerial traits

870
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: in terms of his demeter and maturity, but he still

871
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of has like a playmakers athleticism to his game

872
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: that he might be more And so the Dak Prescott think,

873
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: I think is comfortable too, because I felt like Dak

874
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: Prescott was very similar that when he's coming to Mission State. Yeah, no,

875
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: so keep an eye on him. A ridder is definitely. Um.

876
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: I think I even said it before my last top fifty,

877
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of look at it and

878
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I look at my grade and I'm like, man, my

879
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: grade doesn't really put him up there. But sometimes you've

880
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: got to kind of fill in the rest of the picture,

881
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta look at it and say, man,

882
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: it's not all there right now, but you're gonna buy,

883
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: as we always say, want by the player, by the

884
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: kid more so than the player right now out and

885
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: say Okay, I believe in the person and then uh,

886
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: and then we'll see if it all comes together. Um So, anyways,

887
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: ritters that that guy running backs, Breece Hall is my

888
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: top guy, followed by Kenneth Walker. I think those to me,

889
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: there's a big gap after those two. I think those

890
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: the top two guys and then there's a big how

891
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: about I think it's a huge gap. Um. If we

892
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: talk about running backs going to top, I think those

893
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: are the two. I think those other guys come after that.

894
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: For my for my money, Breese Hall, Kenneth Walking, I

895
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: think he comes down the style freest. All to me

896
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: is over top of Kenner Walker because of the passing

897
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: game contributions. I feel like he is a valuable threat

898
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: in the past game. I feel like we said this

899
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: about Leonard and when he's coming out. There's a difference

900
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: between being kind of playmaking the past game and a

901
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: checkdown option. To me, until I see more from Kenneth Walk,

902
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: I see him more as a checkdown receiver as opposed

903
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: to a playmaking receiver. Yeah, Damian Harris was my comparison

904
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: for Kenneth Walker, and I think he's gonna go hired

905
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: him faster than him. Guys ran four three years to

906
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: my Damian Harris come out of Alabama. Alabama had player

907
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: who's been a good player for the Patriots, but he's

908
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: he's got more juice. But those to me, I don't

909
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: really I mean, I know we're kind of theeming here

910
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: about surprises. I don't I don't have a surprise in

911
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: this running back. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think

912
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: there's some good players and maybe someone emerged, but I

913
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's gonna go vaulting up there that we're

914
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: not talking about. Um, let's keep it rolling. Then let's

915
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: go to the tight ends. I you know, I don't

916
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: have any tight ends in my top fifty at this

917
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: point in time. To be honest with, I still got

918
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: to go through and sort this group out. Um. Yeah,

919
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: it's tough, man, because UM, I don't love any of them,

920
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, I like them, I don't love any

921
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: of them. Like it's weird because I got Jim Widomer

922
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: treatment Brad Good like they're all the bug Weedmires might

923
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: not get picked. He ran like five flat. He's Oh

924
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know. He's master

925
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: the post corner though. Yeah, yeah he dropped. Here was

926
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: my note on him. I'm not trying to kill him.

927
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: But I do this thing with tight ends where I

928
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: go through and I look up explosives and then I

929
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: look up drops. So you want to see what the

930
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: ratio is of explosive place to drops. So like the Indiana,

931
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: like Theiniana kid just off top of my head. I

932
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: think he had seventeen to one, Like he had seventeen

933
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: explosives and like one drop. Um, Jalen Weidemar had fourteen

934
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: explosives and eight drops. It's not good. It's not good. So, um,

935
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: yeah he's he's fallen, but I don't know that he's Yeah,

936
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a weight. But Dulcine to me, I

937
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: know he ran four six nine. I thought he played

938
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: much faster than that. Um, so he's still kind of

939
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: my favorite guy up the group. But I was pleasantly

940
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: surprised when Trey McBride ran in the low four fives.

941
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: I did not see that on tape. He's a true

942
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: hy tight end and can block and everything. I think

943
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there being the first one often. I

944
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: think you're probably, but you're right, I don't think. I

945
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be a guy that we

946
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: talked about like really really early, and that's off is

947
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: just here's one of those things, and you know, like

948
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: there are other guys in there, but I mean, gillannie

949
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: Woods is a trades guy. We've talked about. This is

950
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: a traits position when you look at historically throw the

951
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: production out because some of these offenses just forced feed

952
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: these guys the ball um. But George Kittle is the

953
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: first example of that. Just bet the traits at this position,

954
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, big fast, explosive change direction stuff. Um. Even

955
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: though he's a little bit inconsistently Jollannie Woods had six drops,

956
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: but he's two hundred fifty three pounds ran four six one.

957
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: All this stuff was really good, so uh he'be one.

958
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I'd say keep an eye on let's let's let's get

959
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: to the last position here. I know we've kind of

960
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a longer pod today, but

961
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: hopefully guys are hanging with us here white outs. Garrett

962
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Wilson is my top one, followed by Drake London. But

963
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: my surprise would be and I think our buddy Peter

964
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: Straeger is gonna be all over this and texting with him.

965
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: He's been talking about this a little bit. Um. Jamison Williams.

966
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: If Jamison Williams, when it was all said and done,

967
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: we come full circle, he ends up being the first

968
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: receiver off the board. Would you be surprised? No, I

969
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. I think the only thing you want

970
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: to do is go um four circle. And since we're

971
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: talking about Jamison William, let me give a four shout

972
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: out to his dad. Coming to me of the J W.

973
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Marriott at the combine, I said, Mr Brooks, I need

974
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: to hlo you. I need I need to understand why

975
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: my son is a number one. Oh it's the Andrew

976
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: that he said you shouldn't worry about that. He is

977
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: going to be everything that everyone has talked about him.

978
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, And I was like, um,

979
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Mr Willis what's your name? He's like James. That's why

980
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: he's called James Son. That is fantastic. I was like, okay, yeah,

981
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: so but not like I think the clips that we've seen,

982
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: um from Jamison doing his workouts, um just showing the prognosis.

983
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: I think if you're a team, particularly if you're a

984
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: team with two number ones, or your team as a

985
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: luxury pick, or you have the option of not having

986
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: to rush him back onto the field, I think you

987
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: saw him way and take your time. I don't think

988
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: you need to rush to get him back because the talent.

989
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: The talent is dear. I mean, he's a big time player,

990
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: and I think the growth that he displayed going from

991
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Ohio state to Alabama. To me, d J, that's that's

992
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: something because he clearly established himself at Alabama and took

993
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: over and he was on his way to a big day.

994
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: It's a big day before he got hurt. Yeah, no,

995
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, So that one would be kind of

996
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: a surprise there. Um. Nothing else really jumps out to me.

997
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: And we've talked about all these other guys like Sky

998
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Moore's my forty four player. If he went in the

999
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: late twenties, and that's not a Jacques Christian Watson's forty five,

1000
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: I think he probably goes early to Um, you know,

1001
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: George Pickens would be the name I'd keep an eye

1002
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: on because he's coming off a cl but he's got

1003
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: a ton of ability. Um, you know, he's he's somebody

1004
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: that's got a wide range. If George Pickens went you know,

1005
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: early two, or maybe snuck into late one, or if

1006
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: he went in the middle of the third round, I

1007
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: think it's all on play. I think all that's possible. Yeah,

1008
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: for sure. And I think he's he's one of those

1009
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: guys did just keep you just want to keep him

1010
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: out because he he does have big time in building.

1011
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: We saw flashes even jumped in the championship game and

1012
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: got over the top. And you know, for god, that

1013
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: was kind of still dealing with the the knee injury

1014
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: and the ling ring after effects. He'll be much better

1015
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: than his first season as a pro because he's fully

1016
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: recovered and ready. Yep, no doubt. Um, all right, that's

1017
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. So I hope you guys

1018
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: have appreciated this one. Had fun with us, kind of cool.

1019
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Just go buy those positions and find you know where

1020
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: the surprises might be coming from. Um again, I was

1021
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: waiting on on a on a time here I saw

1022
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: four three seven. That's what hit Twitter. But I don't

1023
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: know if that's just with James Farmer put out. Yeah,

1024
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: but Derek Stanley, what was it? What it was? The time? Seven? Okay,

1025
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: we have plenty fast enough. Yeah, there was a wake up.

1026
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh now, let's have the conversation back about Jackson, like yeah,

1027
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: the conversation goes all the way back like the go

1028
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, he struggled and at four three seven he's

1029
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: a big Oh yeah, here we go. Le's have a conversation.

1030
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: There we go. Um, all right, man, well this was

1031
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: this was a fun one. We'll see where we go

1032
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: from here to the draft. But it's a fun time here.

1033
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: I hope you guys again, I've enjoyed it. Leave, leave

1034
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: us say a review if you don't mind. On Apple Podcast,

1035
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: we appreciate those drops some questions in there if you have,

1036
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and we'll see if we can get to those here

1037
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: before the draft. That's gonna do it for us. He's

1038
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. I'm DJ. Will see you next time right

1039
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks.