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Speaker 1: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: This is Jason Kelcey and welcome to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, Ruben Morrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky

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Speaker 3: the Phillies Show. It's Friday, March seventh, twenty five. How

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Speaker 3: are we doing? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Just finishing up breakfast? Boys, just finishing up breakfast? What

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Speaker 1: are you going?

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Speaker 2: What are you featuring? I went with a.

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Speaker 1: Little perfe It's all done.

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Speaker 4: It's all gone, gone, parfey, little yogurt, little date, cranberry crazy,

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Speaker 4: excuse me?

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Speaker 1: Crazins? And uh what else are I having there? Granola? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Very healthy?

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Speaker 2: So did you do you have to switch to yogurt

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Speaker 2: because of the egg prices?

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Speaker 1: Great point? But no, great point, But no, I didn't

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Speaker 1: have that problem.

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Speaker 2: Tell him why, Todd?

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Speaker 3: Jim Jim? No, Jim hates eggs. He's never you don't

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Speaker 3: eat eggs at all? Does he need an omelet? He's

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Speaker 3: anti he's anti egg I mean this, this whole thing

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Speaker 3: has really gone to Jim's favor over the last you know,

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Speaker 3: year or so.

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Speaker 1: No, I know you don't have any wavos.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so funny. But yeah, so Jim, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Jim doesn't need eggs Ruben's guys. Perfect. I just had

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Speaker 3: a black coffee this morning for breakfast. That's all I've had.

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Speaker 3: Just get the caffeine going.

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Speaker 2: We're already on a tangent.

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Speaker 1: The comment was going to kill us.

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Speaker 3: I'm back home, I did. This is my first day

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Speaker 3: home in like three weeks. I flew home last night.

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Speaker 3: I by surprise my kids. They were excited to see me,

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Speaker 3: which was nice. You know, you don't want them to

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Speaker 3: be not excited to see you after three weeks. Good point.

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Speaker 3: So they were excited. So that was fun. So I'm

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Speaker 3: back home for the weekend, going back down Sunday. Guys. Uh,

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Speaker 3: we had Jason Kelcey on the show on Wednesday. That

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Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. You guys did a great

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Speaker 3: job with that.

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Speaker 4: Sorry you weren't there, but Kim did a bang up

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Speaker 4: job filling in as the host of the Toddpop.

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Speaker 2: That was the in the pilot's seat. But honestly, Jason

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Speaker 2: Kelsey made it easy. He's a very thoughtful guy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't give you these cliche written answers. He thinks

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Speaker 2: about the question. He gives you a good answer.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you're talking about sports, I just

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Speaker 2: think there's this common theme among all sports baseball, football, hockey, basketball,

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Speaker 2: you know, when you're talking about competitors and locker rooms

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Speaker 2: and team goals and reaching those goals. And so I

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Speaker 2: thought it was very applicable the things he said, uh

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Speaker 2: to baseball into the Phillies season. So very very enjoyable conversation,

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Speaker 2: and we're very grateful to Jason.

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Speaker 1: Jim tell me jumping on as well. That was kind

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Speaker 1: of cool, huge Jim Tomy fan. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: mutual respect there and.

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Speaker 4: That was really nice of Jim to jump on force

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Speaker 4: and and give him a little baby surprise.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Jim tell me all time, good guy, man. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. So Phillies today are at home.

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Speaker 3: They played the Rays yesterday. They lost. But a lot

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Speaker 3: of things have been happening down in Clearwater, and I

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Speaker 3: wanted to get your guys.

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Speaker 5: Opinions, reactions and over reactions, reactions and overreactions. Max Kepler

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Speaker 5: hit a home run. Yes, he's got two home runs

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Speaker 5: of spring. Max Kepler five for fifteen, one double, two

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Speaker 5: home runs, five RBIs. His swing has looked good.

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Speaker 3: He's made some mechanical adjustments. I wrote about that a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. Teammates have really been impressed with him.

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Speaker 3: And you guys have seen a lot of spring training games, Ruben,

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Speaker 3: you played in spring training games. I wanted to You know,

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Speaker 3: people obviously go crazy when a guy's doing well. They

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Speaker 3: kind of panic when a guy's not doing well. Do

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Speaker 3: you guys have any thoughts on the way Max Kepler's

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Speaker 3: come out of the shoot see any Have you seen

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Speaker 3: any of his at bats? Do you put any stock

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Speaker 3: into anything that he's doing? Max Kepler, He's a big

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Speaker 3: part of this team's lineup this yeary obviously they put it.

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Speaker 3: They kind of rolled the dice a little bit, I

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Speaker 2: Jim, I like what I see. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: he turns on the ball a little bit, gets it

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Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of that classic left handed home

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Speaker 2: what I see early in camp because he made some

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Speaker 2: when you work with a new hitting coach and you

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Speaker 2: I think, I think it's great because you've built some

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Speaker 2: confidence in that hitting coach, you build some confidence in

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Speaker 2: important that is in this game, and you can maybe

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Speaker 2: carry that into the season. So I think if he

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Speaker 2: you're wondering, right, So I think he's in a good

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Speaker 2: the week when you're coming to a new ball club.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you make a great point, Jim. You know,

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Speaker 4: when his introductory press conference, it seemed like he was

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Speaker 1: Now he's coming from he was a long time Minnesota twin.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you make an adjustment to come to

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Speaker 1: Is a real adjustment.

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Speaker 4: These are human beings who you know, who have their routines,

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Speaker 4: they have their comfort zones, and now he's sort of

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Speaker 4: playing in a very highly contested and you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: Not so much in Minnesota almost ever.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's almost a bonus when they get

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Speaker 1: Even though they they've had some.

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Speaker 4: Success over the years, I don't think that there's the

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Speaker 1: Here in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think you make a great point, Jim,

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Speaker 4: as far as him being able to feel comfortable immediately

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Speaker 4: we'll talk about him, it's not that big of a

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Speaker 4: But for a guy who's coming over into a new situation,

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Speaker 4: also the fans not to start panicking like why did

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Speaker 4: what does this guy bring to the table. The reality

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Speaker 4: of it is, I've seen this kid since he was

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Speaker 4: a rookie. I've liked what I've seen when I was

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Speaker 4: coaching in Boston. He's an athlete, he can really do

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Speaker 4: some things. He runs well, He's not going to clog

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Speaker 4: But he runs well, he plays very good defense, he's

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Speaker 4: adjusted to left field. It seems doesn't seem like he's

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Speaker 4: at the bottom of the lineup really helps them lengthen

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Speaker 1: And they do need some production from the outfield.

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Speaker 4: They really have not other than Castillanos and some at

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Speaker 4: times from Marsh You're not getting the consistent type of

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Speaker 1: And I think you can bring some of that to move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's made some mechanical justice and he said his

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Speaker 3: of cocked it a little bit to this. He made

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Speaker 3: it a little bit flatter so he can get through

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I will point out if I can start interrupt,

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Speaker 2: we still need to see it during the season.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you need to see it during the season.

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Speaker 2: It was just a few springs ago, when you know, Todd,

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Speaker 2: you and I were writing a lot about Mickey moniac

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Speaker 2: in an adjustment. He had made under under Kevin Long

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Speaker 2: and he had early results. It's still spring training. I'll

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Speaker 2: take the results regardless. I'll take him any time of

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Speaker 2: the year over not having results. But you still need

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Speaker 2: to build on it and take it into the season.

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Speaker 2: So though in card Jing, you know what matters is April, May, June, July, August, September, October.

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Speaker 3: Right. So conversely, Max Kepler, after great start, Ruben, you

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Speaker 3: mentioned Tray Turner. Trade Turner to spring Over, oh for thirteen,

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Speaker 3: two walks, seven strikeouts. His last that bat yesterday he

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Speaker 3: any concerned there with Trey Turner? You dismiss it? What

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Speaker 2: I can't overreact because, as Ruben likes to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: he does have a back of the baseball card. Now,

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Speaker 2: the back of the baseball card in Philadelphia over two

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Speaker 2: years hasn't been what it was in the past. Times

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Speaker 2: dynamic at times these pockets of production and uh, but

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Speaker 2: if they get that they're gonna get a great player.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not overly concerned because he is

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Speaker 2: Veteran guy who's been here. I think you need the

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not all that concerned either. You clearly he's

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Speaker 4: He's got to get himself, get his you know what

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Speaker 4: we call sea legs underneath him. To me, the most

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Speaker 4: last seven to eight games something like that, ten games

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Speaker 4: I go back, and I know I'm extrapolating like some

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Speaker 4: really really good numbers, but the end of the twenty

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Speaker 4: I mean you start thinking about those numbers about one

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Speaker 1: Hundre fifty games.

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Speaker 4: His numbers were ridiculous, you know, MVP type numbers, so thirty,

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Speaker 4: you know, close to thirty home runs, a bunch of doubles,

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Speaker 4: some stolen bases obviously, and then I think his ops

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Speaker 4: MVP type numbers. Now it hasn't been consistent over a

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Speaker 4: the season. I think the hamstring really sort of locked

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Speaker 4: him up a little bit last year. He's never really

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Speaker 4: been hurt, never had a tissue injury.

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Speaker 3: He was very.

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Speaker 4: Tentative when he came back. I'm not making excuses for

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Speaker 4: the guy, but that said, when you're hurt for the

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Speaker 4: first time, really, and he's never really been in that situation,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, spring training numbers are always interesting. Jim has

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Speaker 4: For him, he's such a confidence player that when he's

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Speaker 1: Tell tale of of of a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't be out there if he's not healthy, but

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Speaker 4: Rubin Yeah, there's a lot of messaging going on in

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Speaker 4: He was the first time he was ever healthy out

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Speaker 4: they discussed it. Hey, let's ramp it up, Let's not

437
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Speaker 4: go too crazy, let's ease into it, don't worry about

438
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: your velocity, get your work in, and when we get

439
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 4: closer and closer opening day, then then you should be

440
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 4: closer and closer to one hundred percent. And I'm wondering

441
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Speaker 4: if that's part of the messaging that said. I will

442
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: also say Jim that, yeah, I got to keep an.

443
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Speaker 1: Eye on it.

444
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 4: I would keep an eye on it just because listen,

445
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 4: he's had hip and back and side and issues. I

446
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: think that they're trying to be cautious with him, and

447
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to be intelligent and knowing Scott

448
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 4: Boris and his you know, his new group. I'm sure

449
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 4: they're saying to him, hey, don't go crazy, ease into it,

450
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: get ready to go.

451
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: And that same messa, which may be coming from the

452
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: Phillies directly. I don't know that.

453
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 4: I'm not privy to that, and that's that is a

454
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: question that I'll ask when I go down there. After

455
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 4: watching him pitch again a few times, by the time

456
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Speaker 4: I get back down there, he should be closer and

457
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: closer to that ninety two to ninety four range ish because.

458
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: He's not really a power guy.

459
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Speaker 4: He's ad finesca and and it'll be interesting to see

460
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Speaker 4: where he is as he progresses through the spring.

461
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Speaker 3: Ye yesterday against the Rays in Clearwater, the Phillies ran

462
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Speaker 3: out of lineup and a lot of people said, ah,

463
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Speaker 3: this this might be the lineup, This might be the one.

464
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Speaker 3: We talk a lot about the lineup, but it is

465
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Speaker 3: fun to talk about. So yesterday's lineup guys, Trey Turner

466
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Speaker 3: lead off, followed by Harper, then Boem Schwarber, Castianos in

467
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: the five hole, Max Kepler in the sixth hole, JT

468
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: hitting seventh, Stott and Marsh Do we think this might

469
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: be the opening day lineup pretty close, pretty close, right,

470
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Speaker 3: I mean it looks it looks pretty good. I mean

471
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Speaker 3: Rob said the first day of camp and even earlier

472
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Speaker 3: that he was thinking about hitting Harper second and sh

473
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Speaker 3: Warbur no lower than fourth.

474
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Speaker 2: And he said that, he said that as far back

475
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: as the winter meetings. Right, it feels like people are surprised.

476
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been leaning this way for weeks upon weeks,

477
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: and it seems like that's the way. They seems like

478
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Speaker 2: they want to give that a look. Turner one, Harper two,

479
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: Get Harper more at bats, Get Turner maybe thinking like

480
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: an on base guy, and maybe that promotes more selectivity

481
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: or more using the whole diamond. So it just feels

482
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: like they want to give that a look. I don't

483
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: know that they're going to be committed to it all year.

484
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had good results with Schwarber, but Schwarber's

485
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: improvement batting average, you put them down a little bit,

486
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Speaker 2: maybe driving more runs. You know, just it's just, you know,

487
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Speaker 2: I wonder if Scott's going to.

488
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Speaker 1: Be that low all the time.

489
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Speaker 2: But it feels like they want to give that a look.

490
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like that could be close to

491
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Speaker 2: the opening deadlineup.

492
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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly a possibility, no question about it.

493
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Speaker 1: It does create a lot in that lineup. There's no question.

494
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: You've got Stotton and marsh down there that deep. That's

495
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Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty exciting to think about.

496
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Speaker 4: I still and I know this is probably not all

497
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Speaker 4: that popular because it may push Schwarber deeper into the lineup.

498
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Speaker 1: I like the idea of having Stott laid off.

499
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Speaker 4: Then Turner and then Harper, and then you can sort

500
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Speaker 4: of kind of do what you want with you know,

501
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: then go with Schwarber perhaps or Castiatles and then Schwarber.

502
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: Now you're you're talking about pushing Schwarber so far back

503
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Speaker 4: in the lineup, but I think that that's the left

504
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: right combination that would be ideal. I don't know that

505
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: putting Schwarber that deep in the lineup makes the most sense,

506
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 4: but that gives it the most diversity. But I mean,

507
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm okay with, you know, having Turner at the top.

508
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: I thought when he first signed him, he's going to

509
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Speaker 4: be at the top of the lineup. My firstand why

510
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Speaker 4: you would push Harper into that two hole right behind him.

511
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: But I want to make sure that if he is

512
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Speaker 4: in that one hole and Harper's in that too, hold

513
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: that he's not going to be afraid to run because

514
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: that's something that he needs to do and be able

515
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Speaker 4: to feel comfortable running in funnel Harper.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they can just start turning you again. I

517
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: always just give him a run, give him some run

518
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the season. It doesn't work out,

519
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: can move Swarbur back up or and if Scott really

520
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: was hindered by the elbow last year and he does

521
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: start hitting the ball, well, then maybe that gives you

522
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to move him up, like you said, Rubin,

523
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Speaker 3: And you know, crazier things have happened, Harper. Schwarber hitting

524
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Speaker 3: back to back. I know a lot of people wouldn't

525
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Speaker 3: do it. Rob's not big on hitting lefties back to back,

526
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: but they both hit lefties last year. You know, Bryce

527
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Speaker 3: Ain's scared to face lefties, so that'd be kind of

528
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 3: cool to say. I mean, Utley and Howard did it

529
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: for years and years, so maybe it happens again. Speaking

530
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: of Howard and Utley with Jamie Rowns is in camp

531
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Speaker 3: guys this week, and and Ryan Howard is in camp

532
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: this week, and Jimmy Rollins I talked to him the

533
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Speaker 3: other day, he's doing well. Still looks like he could play,

534
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: So it looks like he could pick a ball out

535
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: in the deep in the hole at shortstop. And he

536
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: also likes the idea of Trey Turner hitting the lead off.

537
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: You know, obviously Jimmy was a speed guy at the top,

538
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: you know he so he says, I'm a I'm a traditionalist,

539
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: and I you know, I like the idea of a

540
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: fast guy at the top with the big boppers right behind.

541
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Speaker 3: Gives the speed guys more of an opportunity to run.

542
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: And so Jimmy, Jimmy's on board with with Trey Turner

543
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: leading off. He likes the idea of him being an

544
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: igniter at the top of the lineup, and you know,

545
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: he thinks that that that Trey can definitely provide that spark.

546
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Speaker 3: It's good to see, good to see Jimmy there though.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an entertaining guy.

548
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: Man.

549
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: He uh, you know he was. You know, they were

550
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: talking him on a fall territory about you know, coming

551
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: out of the vet and he used to kid Bola

552
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: the stories he's told us in the past. I remember

553
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: him saying this. But he used to tell Baa, that

554
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: was your place this new place is my place, and

555
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: they put their stamp on it. And he was talking

556
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: about how this current group needs to put their stamp

557
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: on this era. They've gotten to the postseason three times

558
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: and you know, time to cash in. But Jimmy's always

559
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: an entertaining guy. It's great to see him in uniform.

560
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a while since he's been in uniform

561
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: with the Phillies in this sort of capacity. It's been great.

562
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's been great for guys that haven't been

563
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: down there.

564
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Speaker 1: And hey, he's always got something to say. Man, he's

565
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: not afraid to open that mouth and say what he

566
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: wants to say. And I think that's one of the

567
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: beauties of what he brought to the table and one

568
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: of the things he as you said, jim.

569
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's time for this group to put to

570
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: you know, make their move to help people. Forget about

571
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, or at least not think about

572
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: it as much and think about this to twenty twenty five,

573
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: this twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five era, where

574
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: you know, this was.

575
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Speaker 1: A team that is the team to beat. I'm not

576
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Speaker 1: sure if that's everybody's good actually say that but Jimmy would.

577
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: Jimmy might, but certainly even with what the Dodgers did

578
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: this offseason and what they've been doing, and that's okay,

579
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: you know, And that's okay as long as you can.

580
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Back it up and do what you can to be

581
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: the best, the best you can be.

582
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: So fun to be having me around, And hey, man,

583
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: I hope he spends more time then.

584
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: You talk about backing it up. I know this is

585
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: feels like ancient history, but he says where the team

586
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: to be, and then he goes out and backs it

587
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: up and wins the m v P every day he

588
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: backed it up that year.

589
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so much fun. I mean, I remember

590
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: the day, the outcry that that caused up in New

591
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: York when he said that at a it was basically

592
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: like a winter caravan type. It was at a Citizens

593
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: Bank Park. I kind of remember being in the Hall

594
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: of Fame player a Diamond clubs it was.

595
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: It was the club behind home plate and yeah, and

596
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh boy, this guy's got some uh hoots

597
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: box saying that because they have been to the postseason

598
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: in fourteen years and now he's like where the team

599
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: to be?

600
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: You know, obviously Hindsight's twenty twenty. But the reason why

601
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: he said that is because the Phillies got who did

602
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: they get in the offseason to really bolster the pitching

603
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: staff was Freddy Garcia and Adam Eaton, and he was like, man,

604
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: we got a great pitching staff. These guys are going

605
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: to be studs for us. And obviously didn't work out

606
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: with Freddy he was hurt and Adam Eaton was just

607
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: he just was not very good with the Phillies. But

608
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: you think back to what kind of spurred that comment,

609
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: that famous iconic Jimmy Rollins moment, Freddy Garcia and Adam Eaton.

610
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: That's why they didn't really contribute.

611
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny, Yeah, but I think it was

612
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: one of those chip on the shoulder type things that

613
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: they were knocked out in oh seven so quickly by

614
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: that hot Colorado team that they were like, oh my goodness,

615
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: we gotta be a little bit better prepared this time

616
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: than they certainly were.

617
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he saw that comment was the igniter switch on

618
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: the greatest era of Phillies baseball.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

620
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And in Jimmy he said the other day when

621
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Speaker 3: I was talking to him, I said, do you think

622
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five. He's like, you know, he noticed

623
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: the slide is kind of like they've taken steps back

624
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: into postseason like those teams did. But he's like, there's

625
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: no reason why they can't go out and win a

626
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: World series, a series like it's he mentioned, I don't

627
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 3: know if this is a famous quote, you guys can

628
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: tell me, but he said, he's like, I remember something

629
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson said to me. He said, as long as

630
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Speaker 3: I have the bat in my hands, I control the

631
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Speaker 3: pens in terms of like what people write about you.

632
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: And he's like, as long as those guys have the

633
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: bat in their hands, they can control what people say

634
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: about them. And I thought that was kind of a

635
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: brilliant way to look at it, you know, just because

636
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: people are saying, people are writing and on talk radio

637
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: saying this team is not that exciting, or they've taken

638
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: steps back, or they can't win a World Series and

639
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: the offense has too many holes and there's too much

640
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: swing and miss, and there's Chase and blah blah blah.

641
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: He's like, as long as these guys have the bat

642
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: in their hands, they can change that narrative. And so

643
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: I thought that was a great way, great way of

644
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: looking at it. I also asked him about his Hall

645
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: of Fame run. He was up to eighteen percent, and

646
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: I said, what do you think he's like? Not fast enough?

647
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: Not fast enough? And I tend to agree, I think,

648
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, and he pointed out that a lot of

649
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: people obviously look at the quote unquote numbers, but he says,

650
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: I think to really kind of appreciate what I brought

651
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: to the game, he kind of had to watch me

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Speaker 3: play every day, and I just think his defense was

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Speaker 3: so underrated. He won gold gloves, but he was underrated.

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Speaker 3: So maybe he.

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Speaker 4: Won several goal gloves and unfortunately that's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: I started to enter it up to your jim but

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the.

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Speaker 4: Best, most consistent than Bomart for scale, from my standpoint,

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Speaker 4: during a certain era.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there was a better shortstop around.

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Speaker 4: Omar, the best I've ever seen, and Jimmy's right there

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Speaker 4: as far as consistency, not as acrobatic, but certainly no

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Speaker 4: disrespect to Larry Boo or Ozzie Smith or those kind

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Speaker 4: of guys, but my goodness, Jimmy Rollins had every single

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Speaker 4: tool arm, arm strength, arm accuracy, athleticism, consistency. The man

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Speaker 4: the ball was hit to the left side of the field,

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Speaker 4: you were out.

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Speaker 2: He had his arm strength and his release point was

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Speaker 2: so consistent every time right here, boom, right across the diamond.

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Speaker 2: And he used to close games in high school. I

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Speaker 2: talked to his high school coach. He used to close

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Speaker 2: games and he was ninety three ninety four and the

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Speaker 2: gun close. He used to come in from shortstop and

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Speaker 2: get the last three outs. This is a guy five six,

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Speaker 2: you know, five and a half feet tall, throw in

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Speaker 2: ninety three to ninety four, and you know he would

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Speaker 2: go through a season to make fire six errors, right, Todd, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: made three errors? Is trade turnam made the last two years,

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Speaker 2: I think forty. This guy would make six seven errors

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Speaker 2: a year. And I always love that. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: gets passed down through the UH, through the ages and

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Speaker 2: I use it now. But Dallas Green used to call

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Speaker 2: it a two out shortstop, and then Ruben used to

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Speaker 2: call it a two out shortstop. And no, occasionally I

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Speaker 2: steal that, but it's a great description.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I think they think about Jimmy was that

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Speaker 3: he was just you know, like when you watch a

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Speaker 3: highlight UH and the guy makes a diving catching the

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Speaker 3: outfield or whatever, and and uh and sometimes it's like,

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Speaker 3: well that guy had to die for it because he

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Speaker 3: took a bad route or he got a bad jump,

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Speaker 3: or you know. I think just Jimmy, like he just

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Speaker 3: got to everything so easily and made everything look so

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Speaker 3: simple to him. It was like he didn't really misnecessarily

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Speaker 3: maybe jump out to people because he wasn't dying. I

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Speaker 3: mean he has, he had made a lot of diving

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Speaker 3: plays over hers, but I just think he just got

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Speaker 3: to everything and made it look so freaking simple that

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Speaker 3: it kind of underrated him a little bit. And like,

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Speaker 3: let you know, maybe uh confused, not not to confused,

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Speaker 3: but uh, you know, just you know, he take this.

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Speaker 1: Granted what he did, you really take for granted what

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Speaker 1: he did. There's nobody could.

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Speaker 4: Go to the glove side behind second base spin and

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Speaker 4: throw a perfect, accurate throw and make that look easy,

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Speaker 4: and he that's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 1: I think about my dad and what kind of defender

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Speaker 1: he was.

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Speaker 4: Didn't have quite the range, but did have the same

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Speaker 4: sort of instinct and same sort of player because he

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Speaker 4: didn't do anything flashy.

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Speaker 1: He just pretty, really pretty steady.

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Speaker 4: And I remember my dad talking Jimmy up like this

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Speaker 4: is as good as it gets, young man, This is

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Speaker 4: as good as it gets.

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Speaker 2: That's been play.

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Speaker 1: I love that play lights out.

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Speaker 3: He did it all the time. It was automatic, like

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Speaker 3: it was like it was nothing.

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Speaker 2: And tell everybody again, Ruben, what the definition of a

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Speaker 2: two oz shortstop is?

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, if the you know, whatever the situation is,

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Speaker 4: whether the game's on the line, the game's not online,

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Speaker 4: you want the ball hit to one person on that field,

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Speaker 4: and you know that the time when it comes that

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Speaker 4: you were out one hundred percent of the time, ninety

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Speaker 4: nine point nine one hundred percent of the time, the

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Speaker 4: game is over.

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Speaker 3: That was Jimmy Rollinds. Yeah, it was great to see him.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it.

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Speaker 3: I got enough day. I'll talk to you guys off

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Speaker 3: camera about it.

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Speaker 1: But they are coming.

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Speaker 3: I swear to god they're coming. So we've got more

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Speaker 3: T shirts coming. But anyway, guys, we'll talk to you later.

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