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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: As we go to air Aaron Pennington on the run

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Speaker 2: why he's believed to be armed and dangerous after his

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Speaker 2: wife Brian found dead in the master bedroom of their home,

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Speaker 2: dead from gunshot wounds to the face. This has been

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Speaker 2: National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. So if we're so aware

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Speaker 2: of domestic violence, why do women in particular keep dropping

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Speaker 2: dead like flies from domestic violence? We're so aware that

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Speaker 2: we can't seem to stop it. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Crime Stories and on Serious XEM one eleven. I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking back, thinking back, thinking back, even to the time

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Speaker 2: that I was prosecuting felonies in inner city Atlanta and

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Speaker 2: working manning the Better Women's Center.

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Speaker 3: Hotline at night. No change.

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Speaker 2: The death stats are still virtually the same. Why isn't

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Speaker 2: the message cutting through? Let's just start with the case

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Speaker 2: of Brian Pennington.

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Speaker 3: Brian Pennington with four children, ages two, five, seven, and nine.

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Speaker 3: Why she did. Let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Listen Surprisemately nine am this morning, the guide the police

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Speaker 4: responded to forty two Cherry Street with regards to a

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Speaker 4: disturbance on arrival, he entered the house at forty two

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Speaker 5: He found a deceased person in the back the house. Immediately,

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Speaker 5: calls were made to the State Police. Detectives assigned to

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Speaker 5: Mousta County District Attorney's office and investigation was begun. There

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Speaker 5: are four children that were in the house who are

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Speaker 5: currently in DCF custody. They had left the house and

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Speaker 5: gone to the Navy. We are currently looking for Aaron Pennington,

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Speaker 5: thirty three years old, six foot two, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: seventy five pounds, wand hair and blue eyes, and he

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Speaker 5: is considered to be armed and dangerous. If anyone in

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Speaker 5: the public does see him, we are asking that you contact.

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Speaker 6: The guy and the police of the State Police.

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Speaker 5: He is driving a white BMW Model three twenty twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Right there, you are hearing the local District attorney speaking

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Speaker 2: begging the public for help. This guy, Aaron Pennington, has

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Speaker 2: top secret clearance. He is an Air Force specialist, an engineer,

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Speaker 2: he has survival skills, and he's on the run. A

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Speaker 2: thirty three year old white male six y two, blonde,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five pounds out of a gardener

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Speaker 2: mass What more do we know about this guy. We

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Speaker 2: know that he's the father of four children, that he

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Speaker 2: works with the raytheon missiles and defense and reportedly has

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Speaker 2: quote active secret clearance. We also know he had an

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Speaker 2: illegally owned firearm and there were three spent cartridges on

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Speaker 2: the floor at the scene of the death of his wife,

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Speaker 2: so we believe he has that weapon, which is a shotgun.

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Speaker 3: Straight out to one of our all.

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Speaker 2: Star panelists, Rachel Louise Snyder, journalist and author of No

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Speaker 2: Visible Bruises, What we don't know about domestic violence can

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Speaker 2: kill Us?

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Speaker 3: That has just gone out.

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Speaker 2: You can get it on Amazon. Rachel, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. What can you tell us out their relationship?

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Speaker 7: Well, it follows a pretty similar pattern, which is that

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Speaker 7: there's people are hearing, you know, fighting, that marriage is troubled,

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Speaker 7: but also she wants to leave him. It's bad enough

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Speaker 7: that she is going to take the kids to Texas

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Speaker 7: and this is always the most dangerous time when a

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Speaker 7: victim is trying to leave, and we know this from

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Speaker 7: the research. We also know that he had threatened suicide

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Speaker 7: and that's one of the twenty highest risk indicators for

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Speaker 7: domestic violent homicide. So you can start to put these

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Speaker 7: pieces together and a picture emerges that is every bit

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Speaker 7: as familiar as every domestic violent homicide that we see

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Speaker 7: across this country.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Louis Snyder is speaking, author of a new book,

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Speaker 2: No Visible Bruises. Rachel, that's something I didn't know. Now

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Speaker 2: I've seen it, annecdotally.

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Speaker 3: I guess I knew it.

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Speaker 2: But are you telling me when they batterer threatens suicide,

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Speaker 2: that is a predictor of domestic abuse.

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Speaker 7: It's one of twenty risk indicators.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen it so many times. A husband goes,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill myself.

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Speaker 2: And yes, there are some female batterers, that's true, but

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Speaker 2: it's huge, huge, minuscule amount of domestic violence perps are

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Speaker 8: It's actually Japan.

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Speaker 9: It's actually a predictor of dB homicide, not abuse, not

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Speaker 9: just abuse speaking.

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Speaker 10: It's Kelsey.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for telling me that you're hearing Kelsey McKay,

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Speaker 2: former prosecutor, victims rights lawyer, founder of McKay Training and

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Speaker 2: Consulting and Respond Against Violence nonprofit. And that's where you

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Speaker 2: can find her, by the way, respond Against the Violence

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Speaker 3: One more time, Kelsey repeats.

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Speaker 9: As Rachel said, there are patterns to escalate towards homicide,

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Speaker 9: and threatening suicide is often an indicator that the abuser

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Speaker 9: and if that doesn't work, it often proceeds a homicide.

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Speaker 9: So it's a risk factor with a danger assessment that

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Speaker 9: is an offender and abuser fentons commit suicide. It's an

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Speaker 9: indicator of escillation towards domestic violence homicide.

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Speaker 2: You know what you two are making as perfect sense,

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Speaker 2: and anybody on the panel again, this is not high

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Speaker 2: t at Buckingham Palace. Camilla and Charles are not here.

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Speaker 2: Jump in.

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Speaker 6: Okay, this is where this is, Dave Thomas, and this

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Speaker 6: is where we have to put all those pre incident

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Speaker 6: indicators together as soon as possible. That's why it's so

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Speaker 6: important that we walk work in multidisciplinary teams. The sooner

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Speaker 6: we get these these these survivors, these victims to services,

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Speaker 6: soon that we start working collectively together to respond effectively

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Speaker 6: to this brewing storm, the more people we're going to

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Speaker 6: be able to, in my view, be able to save.

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Speaker 6: If the locality assessments are crucial and we have to

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Speaker 6: take that information and be able to quarantine that individual

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Speaker 6: who's engaging in these toxic behaviors time and time again.

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Speaker 6: It's like a broken record as you alluded to earlier,

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Speaker 6: and the same thing that same things happening.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it's like the same thing over and over, but

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Speaker 11: I'm hearing something new now, anecdotally out of all By

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Speaker 11: the time I would get.

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Speaker 2: A domestic violence case, it was a homicide or an

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Speaker 2: egg assault, and I will remember, I remember, like yesterday,

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Speaker 2: one of the first felonies that wasn't a homicide, that

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Speaker 2: was domestic case. The victim came in with the perpetrator

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Speaker 2: and she was in a hip cast from the hip

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Speaker 2: down straight down her legs in one of those thick casts,

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Speaker 3: She dragged up to me with the cane him.

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Speaker 2: Helping her a lung. She goes, I want to drop

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Speaker 2: charges on Like, oh, hell no, you're not dropping charges lady.

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Speaker 2: And I looked at him and I said, it's not

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Speaker 2: because there's this whole plethora of other issues, like feeling embarrassed,

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Speaker 2: feeling is your fault, not wanting to prosecute, but hold

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Speaker 2: on everybody. I'm hearing something right now and it makes

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Speaker 2: perfect sense, and I'm hearing it from Kelsey McKay, Rachel

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Speaker 3: Thomas about Okay, it's got control. You don't like things

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Speaker 3: are spinning out, you don't like the way they're going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm man kill myself. Okay, that's just what he did.

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Speaker 2: He threatened suicide to control her. And now he's on

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Speaker 2: the run and she's dead gunshot wounds three.

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Speaker 3: We think, to the face, what more do we know? Listen?

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Speaker 12: Shortly after nine am on a Sunday morning, Carrie McDermott

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Speaker 12: answers her door to find her neighbor's children asking for help.

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Speaker 12: They can't find their dad and their mom is crying

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Speaker 12: from Kerry McDermott at nine fourteen am. She told them

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Speaker 12: what the kids just told her. Within minutes, police arrived

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Speaker 12: at the home on Cherry Street and found Brian Pennington

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Speaker 12: lying in bed in the upstairs bedroom with a gunshot

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Speaker 12: minutes later by a paramedic. Police searched the house and

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Speaker 12: of the four children who ran next door. But Aaron

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Speaker 12: Pennington is Gone.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Two, five, seven, and nine. They signed Mommy, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So this is Gone Wilcox and I'm a semicide researcher.

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Speaker 8: And the thing that was so upsetting about this is

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Speaker 8: the children told the neighbor that they couldn't find their dad,

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Speaker 8: but they heard their mom crying and if you look

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Speaker 8: at the timeline, likely what they heard were sounds of

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Speaker 8: her dying on the other side of the door.

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Speaker 2: Don Wilcox, she wanted to let me formally introduce her

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Speaker 2: femicide expert, researcher, educator, activist, executive director at Women Count USA,

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Speaker 2: and that's where you can find her Women Count USA

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Speaker 2: dot org.

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Speaker 3: Don Wilcox, You're so correct. And my next note I was.

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Speaker 2: Going to throw to doctor Charles Heller, who's a forensic psychologist,

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Speaker 2: is in their minds they were either hearing I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much they would have heard because she was

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Speaker 2: shot in the head in the face to be specific,

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Speaker 2: so that would have been an instantaneous death. And I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go to doctor Manisha Pande on that. But

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Speaker 2: what they heard, and their child filter was mommy was crying,

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Speaker 2: and they run next door and says, mommy's lying on.

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Speaker 3: I thought they said the floor, but they must have

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Speaker 2: So they went in and they saw their mother dead

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Speaker 2: of a gunshot wound, a shotgun wound to the face,

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Speaker 2: and their child interpretation of that is mommy is crying

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Speaker 3: Doctor Charles Heller, Boy, do I need a shrink? You know?

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Speaker 3: Somehow I got to shake this whole thing off and

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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to understand what happened. You are the

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Speaker 2: forensic psychologist. How do they translate? They see their mother

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Speaker 2: dead with a gunshot wound to the face, and in

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Speaker 2: their head they go, mommy's crying and she won't get.

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Speaker 13: Up, Nancy. These kids were traumatized when they heard the

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Speaker 13: gunshot and whatever came after that, they felt the mother

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Speaker 13: was alive. Is they don't really know that much about death.

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Speaker 2: They want her to be crying. They don't want her

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Speaker 2: to be bleeding from the face. To doctor Menisha Panday,

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Speaker 2: Chief Forensic Pathologists for Forensic Pathologist LLC, The forensicpathologist dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Menisia, thank you for being with us. Would she

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Speaker 2: have hey, wait, maybe she went through something else before

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Speaker 2: she was shot in the face. That would have elicited crying.

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Speaker 2: But doctor panday, that would be instantaneous, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting? They say, daddy's not home.

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Speaker 2: He was so angry that she was taking the children

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Speaker 2: to Texas that he left them there to find mommy.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this video.

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Speaker 12: Surveillance from a neighbor shows Aaron Pennington leaving the driveway

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Speaker 12: forty two Cherry Street at about eight fifty am Sunday

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Speaker 12: morning in his white twenty thirteen BMW three twenty sedan.

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Speaker 12: The video also shows all four Pennington children leaving their

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Speaker 12: home together seventeen minutes after their father left the home,

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Speaker 12: with the children walking to the house next door. An

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Speaker 12: autopsy determined Brian Pennington's cause of death was a gunshot

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Speaker 12: wound to the head and the manner of her death

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Speaker 12: was homicide.

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Speaker 2: So to Leslie Morgan Steiner, advocate and survivor, author of

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Speaker 2: Crazy Love.

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Speaker 3: Which was a New York Times bestseller.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at lesliebooks dot com. Leslie, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. He was so angry she

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Speaker 14: It's an excellent example of how destructive and dangerous these

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Speaker 14: For even family, friends and neighbors to see evidence of

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Speaker 14: That's why he made the suicide threats. That's why people

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got to understand. These individuals are master magicians.

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Speaker 3: You know something you just said, Corporal David R.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the beatings, but it's.

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Speaker 2: The way that you live, and you don't really understand that.

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Speaker 2: Every day just excruciating stress. You're walking on edgshells. You

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Speaker 3: Then you look back and go, oh, my stars, that

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Speaker 2: Now, this guy leaves the children to find mommy, and

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Speaker 12: Listen the day after Aaron Pennington was seen leaving his

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Speaker 2: Aaron Pennington on the run, Armed and Dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: And now I want to bring in not just a colleague,

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Speaker 3: To care for my twins.

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Speaker 2: He's known as the Turtleman, and you may wonder why

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Speaker 2: His true name is Chris Adams. He is a swamp

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Speaker 2: he took me and the twins through the Okefinokee Swamp

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Speaker 3: We weren't.

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Speaker 2: We were not a football field into the swamp, and

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Speaker 3: They were close.

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Speaker 2: I almost said turn this buggy around, but I trusted

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Speaker 2: oh gosh, ever since then. That's how much I believe

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Speaker 15: Well, I tell you, it differs greatly from what I'm

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Speaker 15: But right now, one thing he's contending with is the weather.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much he planned, but stay with me, guys,

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Speaker 2: I know he did plan to murder her in the

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Speaker 12: Investigators found a note from Saturday evening, the night before

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Speaker 2: That part of your phone You may or may not

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Speaker 8: This is gone? And you know, if I said to

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Speaker 8: that even though we like to frame domestic violence murders

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting that you said many people think, oh,

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Speaker 2: and Consulting. There is thing a snap. The snap defense

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Speaker 9: I snapped, and it builds into it almost like an

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Speaker 9: you know, we talked to you asked at first, why

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Speaker 9: important understanding of these cases, and that's what abuse is,

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Speaker 9: and it's not violence. Violence is often used to reinforce it,

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Speaker 9: interesting to note that he shot her in the space.

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of different themes that occur in domestic

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Speaker 2: You're right, doctor Charles Hiller joining me a forensic psychologist

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Speaker 13: This man was extremely angry and he wanted to get

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Speaker 9: Back on the anger, though, because angry, these are choices.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about how he is surviving right now. Back

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Speaker 2: we know he planned this in advance. I mean, look

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Speaker 3: He had to write a note to himself. He had

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Speaker 15: With his military background, I would assume that he would

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Speaker 3: They don't know because no one is released to us.

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Speaker 3: What if anything was found in the vehicle. We don't know.

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Speaker 3: If he had a backpack, we know nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what he would have taken

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Speaker 3: Listen to this. This is the Worcester County DA.

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Speaker 16: He is considered I'm endangerous.

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Speaker 6: Four children in the house.

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Speaker 5: The children are safe in a right now, are in custody.

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Speaker 16: in custody, and that's the reason for disavailability break down,

438
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Speaker 16: eaches of the children, two, five, seven, and nine.

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Speaker 6: Neighbors be concerned.

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Speaker 5: We are concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, neighbors should be concerned. Everybody should be concerned. So,

442
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Speaker 2: Chris Adams, what.

443
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Speaker 3: Would he need if he has a backpack on his back.

444
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Speaker 2: We don't know what he took, if anything, What would

445
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Speaker 2: he need to survive?

446
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Speaker 3: And how can we find him? Because he's surviving.

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Speaker 15: The basic thing is warm. If he had an emergency blanket,

448
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 15: if he had a woolen blanket, but with temperaures dipping

449
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 15: down that low, you'd have to keep your body temperature

450
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Speaker 15: up throughout the night. So he's got to have a

451
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Speaker 15: fire somewhere otherwise he's going into this very haphazardly. If

452
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Speaker 15: he's not keeping his body temperature up, he is at

453
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Speaker 15: severe risk of getting hypothermia, and with that, of course,

454
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Speaker 15: comes his demise. He doesn't seek medical health, which he's

455
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Speaker 15: not gonna do obviously.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Chris Adams, Exactly, Rachel Louise Snyder.

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Speaker 3: We think he went on foot.

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Speaker 2: He probably couldn't get far, which mates he could he

459
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Speaker 2: could be there in that four hundred acre area unless

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Speaker 2: he had help, which.

461
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Speaker 3: I doubt anybody's going to help him after he.

462
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Speaker 2: Murders his wife, or unless he got a ride somehow

463
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Speaker 2: Did he have a rental car waiting?

464
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Speaker 3: Did he plan it that much? Did he get an uber?

465
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Speaker 2: All avenues of inquiry, but Rachel Louis Snyder, way in,

466
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Speaker 2: how far could he have gotten on foot?

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Speaker 3: He is a survivalist.

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Speaker 7: He's a survivalist. I mean, he had seven years in

469
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Speaker 7: the military. You know, I don't he's got ties to California,

470
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Speaker 7: like any of the Any speculation is like, we just

471
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Speaker 7: don't know. But most of these guys end up killing themselves.

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Speaker 8: And I'm not.

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Speaker 7: As a journalist, I don't like to speculate, but I

474
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Speaker 7: feel like this is the real problem is not to

475
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Speaker 7: me anyway is not Is he out there alive? How

476
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Speaker 7: is he surviving? What kind of justice can we get?

477
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 7: The real problem is what is wrong with our systems

478
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Speaker 7: that we couldn't save her?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, You're right, that is a bigger

480
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Speaker 2: question for us to with which we have to grapple.

481
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Speaker 2: Right now, I'm thinking about this woman the latest, and

482
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Speaker 2: I have the whole list of whomen we were gonna

483
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Speaker 2: talk about, including Kira Hudson, who was so afraid of

484
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Speaker 2: her husband she wore a bulletproof vest and begged prosecutors

485
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Speaker 2: and cops to put her husband, to put her ex

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Speaker 2: behind bars, even gave them a video of him dragging

487
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Speaker 2: her by her hair, pausing to beat her unconscious and

488
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Speaker 2: threat I need.

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Speaker 3: To kill her. They didn't charge him with agasol.

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Speaker 2: They charged him with a misdemeanor, and he walked, looked

491
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Speaker 2: out immediately, then found her at the school drop off

492
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Speaker 2: and shot her while she's wearing the bulletproof vest with

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Speaker 2: the children in the back seat and a Walsh children,

494
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Speaker 2: a great mother. She's not only murdered, she's dismembered. We

495
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Speaker 2: still don't have her body. Her husband, Brian Walsh, suspect,

496
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Speaker 2: and you don't have to be married. Of course, there's

497
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Speaker 2: a case of Gabby Betito and in that case, the

498
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Speaker 2: killer her boyfriend, Brian Laundry, hid out in Carlton Reserve

499
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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand acres after he murdered her. Remember that

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Speaker 2: Chris Adams do so guys part of this picture, and

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Speaker 2: I believe earlier let's see.

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Speaker 3: Who was jumping in?

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Speaker 2: Was it Don Wilcox, Leslie Morgan Steiner, author of Crazy

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Speaker 2: Love and Domestic Violence survivor jump in.

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Speaker 14: So seventy five percent of female homicide are committed by

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Speaker 14: man known to the victim, usually in her.

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Speaker 10: Home or car.

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Speaker 14: And we need to ask what kind of country we

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Speaker 14: live in where the most unsafe place for women and

510
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Speaker 14: children are in their own homes, are in their own cars.

511
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Speaker 14: And this is just a problem that's hiding in plain sight,

512
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Speaker 14: and we all need to recognize the red flags. And

513
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Speaker 14: also something very important needs to be acknowledged, which is

514
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Speaker 14: that people who commit domestic violence, men who commit domestic

515
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Speaker 14: violence are incredibly likely to go out and attack their communities.

516
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Speaker 14: And we saw that with Robert Carr, the main mass murderer.

517
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Speaker 14: We see in almost all mass murderers. So we have

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Speaker 14: to be the community has to be a very afraid

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Speaker 14: of Aaron Pennington and what he could do, and try

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Speaker 14: to get to abusers before they commit these atrocities. And

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Speaker 14: in addition to some of the other red flags that

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Speaker 14: were more familiar with looking for bruises and domestic violence,

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Speaker 14: chartered relation.

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Speaker 8: Yep, look for fear.

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Speaker 14: Fear is something that is easier to pick up on

526
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Speaker 14: if you see that macheems afraid. And I promise you

527
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Speaker 14: that the four children and Brian Pennington were terrified. They

528
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Speaker 14: had to know that he was planning something. And we

529
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Speaker 14: are very good at ignoring victims when they come to

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Speaker 14: the police and say, I'm afraid he said he's going

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Speaker 14: to kill me, or I'm afraid that he's plotting something

532
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Speaker 14: because I'm planning to leave him, and police and family.

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Speaker 17: Court judges need to be aware of the red flags,

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Speaker 17: but also they need to be.

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Speaker 3: Empowered, right, I hear you, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: But remembering Gabby Batito, she was as she charged as

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Speaker 2: the abuser before Laundry murdered her.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question, Leslie Morgan Steiner.

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Speaker 2: How long did you live in fear? And what was

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Speaker 2: the final straw? How did you finally escape your batterer?

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Speaker 14: So it was four years of being strangled and having

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Speaker 14: loaded guns held my head on a regular basis, and

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Speaker 14: what ended up happening to me is there was one

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Speaker 14: final brutal beating where I was unconscious for most of it.

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Speaker 14: He had a black belt in karate and a black

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Speaker 14: sash in kung fu, and he had his three guns.

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Speaker 14: And what enabled me to leave was the awareness of

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Speaker 14: my community, including the police officers who rescued me. They

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Speaker 14: understood how potentially lethful this was, and my community came together.

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Speaker 10: To protect me.

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Speaker 14: And it wasn't so much my family and friends because

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Speaker 14: they didn't know anything about domestic violence. It was the

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Speaker 14: police and my local domestic violence agency who convinced me

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Speaker 14: that I was in lethal danger and then I needed

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Speaker 14: to I needed my entire community support in order to

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Speaker 14: leave him.

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Speaker 3: I have an update, guys.

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Speaker 2: A few miles away from the murder scene in Ashburnham,

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Speaker 2: a man found a change of clothes in the woods

560
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Speaker 2: behind his home, a ziplot bag with rubber gloves, surgical gloves.

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Speaker 2: He thought it was a trash bag ahead of white shirt,

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Speaker 2: short socks, boxers and a toothbrush. So to doctor Nisha Panday.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Panday with TIMPs going down in the thirties, as

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Speaker 2: Chris Adams pointed out, how could he survive if he

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Speaker 2: didn't have a coat or some type of source of warmth.

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Speaker 10: So within a few hours his temperature is going to

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Speaker 10: go down and he'll probably die of hypothermia. But he's

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Speaker 10: probably got some place he's at. I'm not sure where

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Speaker 10: he would be, but if he has nothing to keep

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Speaker 10: him warm, he's likely to die of hypothermia soon.

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Speaker 3: Well, we know his body hasn't been found.

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Speaker 2: Take a list in hour cut ten to the Wooster

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Speaker 2: County District Attorney's Office.

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Speaker 18: We're going to give a quick update with regards to

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Speaker 18: the search for Aaron Pennington. Search has continued throughout the morning,

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Speaker 18: is going to continue.

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Speaker 5: He has not been found at this point.

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Speaker 18: We have a number of assets I'd like to go

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Speaker 18: through a working on this. The Massachusetts State Police Search

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Speaker 18: Special Emergency Response Team, the State Police Tactical Operations Unit,

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Speaker 18: the Stop Team, the State Police Canine Unit, the Gardener

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Speaker 18: Police Department, the Ashburnham Police Department, the VFAs Unit of

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Speaker 18: the State Police, the Violent Fugitive Apprehension Section, the massive

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Speaker 18: State Police Air Wing Troops c Headquarters out of Holding,

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Speaker 18: and the State Police detectives assigned to Thewis County DA's office.

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Speaker 2: We know he's still alive because dogs would have found

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Speaker 2: him by now. We know the search is still on

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Speaker 2: to kel stan Ta Way in You.

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Speaker 9: Know, I think A couple of points have been brought

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Speaker 9: up in Nancy, going to your point about the case

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Speaker 9: that you had as a prosecutor where the victim asks

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Speaker 9: for charges to be dropped. The thing we have to

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Speaker 9: keep in mind is that not all prosecutors are like

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Speaker 9: you and I, who would look in the face of

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Speaker 9: a victim and say, you know, I'm going to go

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Speaker 9: forward anyway. And you've mentioned in all these cases a

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Speaker 9: very common theme, which is the system failed a victim.

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Speaker 9: The burden was put on the victim to identify, to investigate,

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Speaker 9: to co operate, and when that doesn't happen, they dismissed

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Speaker 9: these cases. And unfortunately, that puts a burden on a

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Speaker 9: victim that's not safe. And in this case, we know

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Speaker 9: she was trying to leave, We know she was trying

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Speaker 9: to get many We know in the case of Adam

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Speaker 9: Beddingfield that not only had she tried to obtain a

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Speaker 9: protective order, she had called the police. She was reaching

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Speaker 9: out for help. She was trying to separate and have

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Speaker 9: the kids. But he did say that made it so

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Speaker 9: that he wasn't held accountable.

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Speaker 8: Helsey, she posted she on this is Dawn just waying

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Speaker 8: in she posted a over seven minute video of him

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Speaker 8: hitting her, kicking her. I counted at least twenty eight

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Speaker 8: kicks and blows. Even after that, on September twenty eighth,

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Speaker 8: he was able to get an order of protection against.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely exactly the same thing happened in Gabby Petito's case,

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Speaker 2: where she was ruled the aggressor corporal Thomas way in.

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Speaker 6: They didn't do a good predominant aggressor US meant they didn't.

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Speaker 6: They missed numerous signs. They had no depth of knowledge

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Speaker 6: when it comes to victimology.

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Speaker 3: You know in the Botito case, right, Gabby Batito, No.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about Gabby Pattito. Yes, I mean those officers

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Speaker 6: you see on the body cams when they're interviewing her,

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Speaker 6: and they missed the wounds that she had. You know,

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Speaker 6: they didn't. They weren't able to determine offensive versus defensive wounds.

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Speaker 6: They never even interviewed the individuals who originally called in

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Speaker 6: the two of them when they were in when they

626
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Speaker 6: were in town and having the confrontation, citizens were so

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Speaker 6: concerned they called nine to one one. It wasn't until

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Speaker 6: an hour later they were pulled over.

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Speaker 2: And they were witnesses seeing that's right, yim Brian Laundry beating,

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Speaker 2: slapping Gabby Batito in the face. No, literally on Main

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Speaker 2: Street near the Moonflower Cafe, and they were not ever

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Speaker 2: even questioned.

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Speaker 3: To Charles heller Way in.

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Speaker 13: That case really took the attention of the entire country

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Speaker 13: for a long time. And Daddy Dabby knew that something

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Speaker 13: was wrong with Brian, but she didn't know how to

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Speaker 13: get out of that. She didn't know how to keep

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Speaker 13: the destiny that she was seeing because he must have

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Speaker 13: exhibited a lot of rage and anger.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, she did not know what to do.

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Speaker 2: So young and so inexperience. Rachel Louise Snyder Way in.

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Speaker 17: When you see that video, who what I see is,

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Speaker 17: as your guest mentioned, a system that is broken in

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Speaker 17: full view of these police don't have training in how

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Speaker 17: to assess who the primary aggressor is.

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Speaker 7: When I think about all of.

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Speaker 17: These cases, so two of the four cases that we've

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Speaker 17: talked about today, there was a woman who was actually

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Speaker 17: given a restraining order, and in both those cases it

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Speaker 17: is the woman who's who's wound up dead. That to

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Speaker 17: me is a broken system. When I think about Aaron Pennington,

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Speaker 17: it's not just is he out there, is he armed

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Speaker 17: and dangerous. There are other elements we can look at.

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Speaker 17: In his case, he separated from the Army Rangers. He

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Speaker 17: was a reservist for the last year. Separated in February,

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Speaker 17: I think Racion his employer said, they confirmed that he

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Speaker 17: had worked there but had lost that job or didn't

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Speaker 17: have that job after March. Right, that's a disruption in

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Speaker 17: the home. Then he's got mental health issues on top

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Speaker 17: of that. Then he threatened suicide on top of that.

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Speaker 17: And when you have someone who has a high security

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Speaker 17: clearance like he had to seek out mental health help.

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Speaker 7: Is to lose that security clearance. So his wife certainly

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Speaker 7: knows that, so she feels duck like she can't get help.

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Speaker 7: These are all indications of a broken system and a

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Speaker 7: system that is prioritizing his position in society over her safety.

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Speaker 7: And gentlemen are experts on their They are the experts

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Speaker 7: on these men's men's behavior. These stats are often predictable, preventable.

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Speaker 7: Do women foretell their own murders and they know them expertly,

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Speaker 7: They're the ones who walk on eggshells.

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Speaker 2: Guys, if you have information on the whereabouts of Aaron Pennington,

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Speaker 2: call six one, seven, seven two seven twenty two hundred,

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Speaker 2: do not approach him six one seven seven two seven

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Speaker 2: twenty two hundred.

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Speaker 3: If you are someone you know.

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Speaker 2: Needs help, needs guidance as a domestic violence victim, dial

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Speaker 2: eight hundred seven ninety nine seven two three three eight

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Speaker 2: hundred seventy nine nine seven two three three. I distinctly

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Speaker 2: remember a friend of mine, a very dear friend, in

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Speaker 2: high school. She dropped out of high school and she

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Speaker 2: got pregnant. I noticed a sudden change in her behaviorhavior.

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Speaker 2: She never went anywhere without a shirt up to her neck,

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Speaker 2: the sleeves down to her wrists, and always long pants,

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Speaker 2: no makeup, and hair pulled back for years. Needless to say,

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Speaker 2: she was a victim of domestic violence, but in high

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Speaker 2: school I didn't understand what was happening. She got free

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Speaker 2: and the baby as now a very well respected dental surgeon.

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Speaker 2: But the years she endured I can only imagine. If

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Speaker 2: you believe someone you know is suffering, don't wait. Do something,

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Speaker 2: at least in the name of Brian Pennington and Kiara

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Speaker 2: Hudson and Anna Walch and Gabby Patito.

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Speaker 3: Do something. Goodbye, friend,