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Speaker 2: This would be a good one for bird to be on.

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Speaker 3: And then sometimes I literally just eat out of boredom. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a draggy hunt, like nothing's really going on.

442
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Speaker 3: I'm so bored me.

443
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Speaker 2: I got something in the bag, I'll pick at.

444
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Speaker 3: It, exactly. I know you definitely get like that.

445
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 1: Just board I'll eat. I'll eat whatever for sure, and

446
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: not healthy and not you know, like it's just crap.

447
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: So I uh, yeah, I can.

448
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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I can pick all day, Like I don't

449
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 4: really need a meal, but if I can graze.

450
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Speaker 2: If I can graze all day, that'll be fine. Like

451
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Speaker 2: actually sitting down to eat a meal is usually like

452
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Speaker 2: a chore for me.

453
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Speaker 1: However, you kind of need to practice this stuff and

454
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Speaker 1: know throughout the day. Like if you're working out, say

455
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Speaker 1: in the morning, and you're gonna do another session in

456
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. See, you know, like if I don't eat,

457
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Speaker 1: how does that first session go. This is from years

458
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Speaker 1: and years of doing it, Like I intermittent fasted for

459
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Speaker 1: six years, I think, and I know what. My my

460
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Speaker 1: body can handle a big session in the morning as

461
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Speaker 1: long as I get enough calories the day before. So

462
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Speaker 1: that's one thing you got to make sure is the

463
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Speaker 1: back half of the day when you aren't doing as

464
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Speaker 1: much or when you get back to camp, make sure

465
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Speaker 1: you're taking in some calories. That's the big thing because

466
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Speaker 1: if you you know, if you're building back up that

467
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Speaker 1: calorie count from the day before, you're all right because

468
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Speaker 1: in the next day, but if you continually short it

469
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Speaker 1: by three or four, you're gonna be pretty fried. I

470
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Speaker 1: can handle it. My body is fine with it. Just

471
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Speaker 1: it just either goes into save. I don't know what

472
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Speaker 1: it is, but it's fine. Yeah, But you have to

473
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Speaker 1: make sure that you've kind of tested that and tried

474
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Speaker 1: that out before you go out in the woods and

475
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh Rich said, I don't have to eat.

476
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Speaker 1: I'll be fine by day three, you're like dying.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
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Speaker 4: Or if someone's like, oh Rich said, eats peterb and

479
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Speaker 4: Jellies and you have never get it that Peter and jellies.

480
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Speaker 4: You're five years old, you're like, oh, it actually doesn't

481
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Speaker 4: really feel good on my stomach. Most likely that Peter,

482
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Speaker 4: but jelly is not a good case because it probably

483
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Speaker 4: feels good in everyone's stomach.

484
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Speaker 2: But yeah, try those things out. Find out the plan.

485
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Speaker 2: I think you talked about it at camp, about having

486
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Speaker 2: in that.

487
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Speaker 4: Ziploc bag, Like you don't have to track your macs,

488
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 4: but it is good to have an idea rough calorie count.

489
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Speaker 4: You obviously want a good amount of carbs. If you're

490
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Speaker 4: moving all day, you need those fats to satiate you.

491
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Speaker 4: And you need protein because your bonus mustle's gonna be

492
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Speaker 4: breaking down room hiking a lot.

493
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Speaker 2: So you do need to have.

494
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Speaker 4: A good balance of the macro nutrients and have an

495
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Speaker 4: idea calorie count. Wise, maybe just like on your days,

496
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Speaker 4: like kind of riches saying, like the days where I'm

497
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Speaker 4: doing where I'm working out for two sessions.

498
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Speaker 2: I'll keep track.

499
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Speaker 4: I won't do it on purpose, but I'll just kind

500
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Speaker 4: of keep track of what I eat that day.

501
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Speaker 2: And that may be really similar to what I'm gonna

502
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Speaker 2: want when I'm hunting.

503
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Speaker 3: You're talking about being a professional athlete.

504
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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, like, what it's like if you can

505
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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times on weekend, two times

506
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Speaker 1: on the weekend, whatever it is, get up first thing,

507
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Speaker 1: go on your ruck or do your Mayhem Hunt training session.

508
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Speaker 1: If you want to eat before, eat after whatever, try

509
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Speaker 1: that out, and then in the afternoon try to hit

510
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Speaker 1: a double session of ruck that like, you can make

511
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Speaker 1: a match. You can ruck and CrossFit Mayhem Hunt, or

512
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Speaker 1: you can Mayhem Hunt CrossFit and then in the afternoon rock.

513
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Speaker 1: But see what eating and when eating if that affects you.

514
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Speaker 1: If you're like, oh, man, like I feel great not

515
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Speaker 1: eating before. I feel like maybe just a protein shake

516
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Speaker 1: maybe whatever it is, and see how your body kind

517
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Speaker 1: of handles that for a day or two. Don't go

518
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Speaker 1: into it and be like, oh, well Rich said he

519
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Speaker 1: goes he can go all day without eating.

520
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Speaker 3: I'm actually currently doing that right now with annoying with Leadville.

521
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Speaker 3: You have to trying to figure out.

522
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Speaker 1: Hundred carbs an hour. That's what you need to aim for.

523
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Speaker 3: That is how it's difficult because the first time I

524
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Speaker 3: did it, I just did those gels.

525
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Speaker 1: And first three or four hours you need to eat

526
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Speaker 1: fifty grams of carbs, eat fifty grams of carbs, and

527
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Speaker 1: drink fifty grams of carbs. This is probably way too

528
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Speaker 1: much more than people want to know for a long endurance,

529
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Speaker 1: and then once your stomach turns, you need to have

530
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Speaker 1: one hundred grams in a bottle as backup because you're

531
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Speaker 1: not gonna want to eat anything.

532
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Speaker 4: So we'll talk about This is a good segue though,

533
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Speaker 4: to like about having those double sessions is a good

534
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Speaker 4: time to practice how much electrolytes you need or want,

535
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Speaker 4: and how much caffeine. Maybe not practicing the amount of

536
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Speaker 4: caffeine we have on a hunt, but practicing how you

537
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Speaker 4: feel if you have some caffeine.

538
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Speaker 2: In the morning, and if you have some in the

539
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Speaker 2: middle of the day, can you go to sleep?

540
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Speaker 4: Do you need that caffeine in the middle of the day,

541
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Speaker 4: or do you need more caffeine in the middle of

542
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Speaker 4: the day or in the morning. The electrolytes is a

543
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Speaker 4: good one. A good rule of thumb is if you

544
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Speaker 4: are really thirsty, drink some water. If eating a pickle

545
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Speaker 4: spear sounds absolutely amazing, you probably need some sodium.

546
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Speaker 2: You need some sodium.

547
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Speaker 4: Your body usually tells you what it needs, like I said,

548
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Speaker 4: you're craving something really sugary when you're running around the woods.

549
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: Probably need some carbs. Probably need some carbs there.

550
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Speaker 4: So yeah, practicing using different electrolytes, Like I think we've

551
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Speaker 4: probably all been there where you've tried some new electrolyte

552
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Speaker 4: supplement and it hurts your stomach or it has something

553
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Speaker 4: in it that arts your stomach. And then affine the

554
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Speaker 4: same way. If there's like if you like coffee, drink coffee,

555
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: if you like bout Knops has like the Ignite.

556
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Speaker 2: Or even Endure caffe.

557
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in your water bottle reload is good. It's literally

558
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Speaker 4: just like five. Yeah, they're great. Like the fruit punch

559
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 4: we had was so good. I did that hunt camp.

560
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Speaker 4: I would put that and one of the hydrate and

561
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Speaker 4: then I'd just take off and it was just, yeah,

562
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Speaker 4: that's great. So practice those things. Yeah, if your body's

563
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Speaker 4: asking for it, probably needs it so well.

564
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Speaker 1: What you don't realize too, is if you're moving all day,

565
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Speaker 1: you may not have the intensity that you normally train with,

566
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Speaker 1: but if you're moving all day, your body is just

567
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: continually burning and you don't really think about it because

568
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Speaker 1: you're even if you're on your sweating honestly to like,

569
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Speaker 1: even like whitetail hunting and being cold, your body's trying

570
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Speaker 1: to like warm itself back up. You are burning calories

571
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Speaker 1: for sure, saying that because a bird.

572
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Speaker 3: But the other thing that this is from me making

573
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Speaker 3: this mistake in the past. You have to paste it out. Yeah,

574
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Speaker 3: if you starving in the morning and you have your

575
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: gallons ziplock and you go through seventy to eighty percent

576
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: of it, yeah, you're gonna regret before that last push

577
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: in the effort. So and especially with water, because water

578
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 3: can really get you in some trouble. For sure, you drink,

579
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Speaker 3: if you drink your entire nal gene because you're doing

580
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Speaker 3: that first big pull before your glassing effort, thirty minutes

581
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Speaker 3: into your hunt, you have a couple of SIPs left

582
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: in your nalgene for the rest of the day you're

583
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Speaker 3: going to day, Yeah, it's gonna be a bad.

584
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Speaker 2: Day this may.

585
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Speaker 4: You want to talk about the water system, having a

586
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Speaker 4: water system in place, because that's a good point. If

587
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Speaker 4: you are gonna if you're gonna chug your nalgene by

588
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Speaker 4: eight am, you better have a plan to get more.

589
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Speaker 3: You better have a plan for sure. And if you're

590
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Speaker 3: hunting in the correct areas, you will have access to

591
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Speaker 3: a creak or to water usually And so if I

592
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Speaker 3: want not drinking of a pond, yeah, I wouldn't recommend.

593
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

594
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Speaker 3: So a giardia is a real thing. It's it's food,

595
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: it's poisoning on steroids. That my rule of thumb is

596
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Speaker 3: the higher you are in elevation, the less giardia will

597
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: be in the water. But I still want you to

598
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: filter it no matter what, because the more bacteria.

599
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Speaker 1: That can boil it, then filter it.

600
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Speaker 3: No, I just go filters, go straight filter.

601
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Speaker 1: Do you push it through multiple times?

602
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: Just one? Yeah? I have personally, thankfully never had giardia

603
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: and I've only done it through one system, and I've

604
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: used that whole same system my entire outdoorsman career. What

605
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: if you want to call that, it's the Soyer system

606
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: I talked about the Elk camp. I love it. But

607
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: it's just a little push filter. You fill it up

608
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: with your dirty water, creates clean water, and you're good.

609
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: But pretty much how it works is the higher you

610
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Speaker 3: are up in altitude, the fresher of the water is

611
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Speaker 3: because of the lack of bacteria it's collecting as it's

612
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Speaker 3: going down the river. Perfect example of this, Billings found

613
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Speaker 3: a really awesome deadhead dead mule deer in the bottom

614
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Speaker 3: of a creek. So all of that rotting carcass is

615
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: getting into the water system. You want to filter that out.

616
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Speaker 3: So and also we were pretty well from the cabin

617
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Speaker 3: at least we were pretty low low altitude. There's still

618
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Speaker 3: plenty of higher points above us. But always have a

619
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Speaker 3: water hydration game plan. You can always get the iodine

620
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 3: tablets too. Those are very light and very bulletproof. The

621
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Speaker 3: only thing I don't like about them is it does

622
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: make your water taste pretty crappy. It tastes like kind

623
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Speaker 3: of like chlorine. It's pretty much a healthy chlorine that

624
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: you're drinking. I just never really liked the taste of it,

625
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: so it's why I switched over to the sayer. But

626
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: you can drink that your full analogy. But understand you're

627
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Speaker 3: going to take time away from your hunt to now

628
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Speaker 3: go get water for yourself, and I personally wouldn't want

629
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Speaker 3: to do that.

630
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Speaker 4: Yeah, have enough, listen to your body. But also I mean,

631
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: you are trying to be a fishing as possible, so

632
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: try not to waste time or waste energy going out

633
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: of your way to get more.

634
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Speaker 3: I will drink like a camel before I leave, like

635
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: at camp. At my truck, I have a lot of water,

636
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: a lot of electrolytes. I want to start ahead of

637
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: the curve as best I can.

638
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Rich said about the calories, if you're there

639
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: for two or three hours before you go to bed,

640
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: pump the calories in, and then that way the next

641
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: day while you're walking around, you will have some of

642
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: that lingering effect.

643
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: That's how I mean, that's basically how intermittent fasting works.

644
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: You will have enough in your system to get you

645
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: through that bulk of the day, and then you have

646
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: that little refeed time again.

647
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Speaker 3: And also an experience, I have had friends that thought

648
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Speaker 3: they were high enough in the altitude did not have

649
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: to filter their water, and they regretted it because they

650
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: got giardia. So always always always filter your water. You

651
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: can also boil it. I don't really like drinking hot

652
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: water on a hot hunt, but you can if that's

653
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: if you want to.

654
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Speaker 1: Last. One caffeine, yes, scene, what do you do anywhere?

655
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Speaker 3: I can get it?

656
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Speaker 1: One gram of caffeine anywhere. Me and Scott are on

657
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Speaker 1: the high caffeine die I don't drink energy drinks or caffeine,

658
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Speaker 1: So I don't even drink any of the Ignite or

659
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: YETI Mode or Yetty when I'm not hunting or competing

660
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: or traveling.

661
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: But when I preface it, you've had it multiple times.

662
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like.

663
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Maybe we're trying once where you go out there, but

664
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: most likely you're going to feel good. If you haven't

665
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: had it before, You're going to feel really good.

666
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Me and Me and Scott live on caffeine

667
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: when we're hunting.

668
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: Nothing makes you feel really is bad as much of

669
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: a drug adds. This makes me sound Nothing makes you

670
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: feel better than when you just rip a bunch of

671
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: caffeine and beta and you're kind of like sober from

672
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: it for a few weeks.

673
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if caffeine actually like it doesn't give

674
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: me a like a buzz or a high. It almost

675
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: chills me out a little bit. But beta makes me

676
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: feel like I'm like something's happening.

677
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: Caffeine when I'm when I have like done a caffeine detox. Yeah,

678
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: I'm one hundred and twenty percent of the man I am.

679
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: When I'm on.

680
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Caffeine amplifies everything.

681
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good.

682
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: It's relaxative for me. Really, Oh really, I can't if

683
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: I have I've done. I did it for a long time.

684
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: Just a quick cup in the morning, forty five minutes

685
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm grabbing the dude wipes and like, hey,

686
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: I got.

687
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: It, I got it. I'm usually doing that for It's

688
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: weird because I think with how much we move and

689
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: then I'm probably not eating enough. I'll like, I'm here,

690
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm two to three times a day. Yeah there once, yeah,

691
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: sometimes every other day because of how much.

692
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: We're being dehydrated.

693
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: Usually it's pretty usually the first thing in the morning.

694
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: It's like me and Scott Race we used to have

695
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: that bucket.

696
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh the bucket.

697
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: The bucket's pretty good.

698
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: It's good.

699
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: It's efficient.

700
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, it's just a five gallon bucket with the

701
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: bottom ripped out so you dig a hole. It's nice

702
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: to have a camp. You can relax a little bit

703
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: versus like hanging onto a tree.

704
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: But that is nice.

705
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: It really is camp. Thrown baby can throw.

706
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Or you can just be like yeah, Brian and Luke

707
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and just right by wherever you are, right next to

708
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: the kitchens, wherever.

709
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: You right next to the kitchen.

710
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: Golly dude, it like makes me actually mad when I

711
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: think about it. Like, I mean it was like fifteen

712
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: maybe ten feet from where we were eating every day.

713
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: And sleeping and sleeping the wrong wind you caught it.

714
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Luckily it was on the other side.

715
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, mine, I would I sometimes like later in

716
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: the week the farther I got because I'm like, ah,

717
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: that treely looks like someone probably used it. Like around

718
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: that tree, the bucket, you just dig a hole. It

719
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: was nice to shove on the bucket.

720
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also going back to the caffeine thing, Like again,

721
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm usually the camera guy. I don't want to be

722
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: the bottleneck. I have to strategically like plan my bollet movements.

723
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I I know for a fact if

724
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: I have caffeine in the morning, it will be during

725
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: that prime time.

726
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

727
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm trying to send it with this guy

728
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, I gotta go. I don't want

729
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: to do that, so I will. I don't. I don't

730
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: drink caffeine as because of that, But anything else. I

731
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: have a fun David Curtis story. So him and I

732
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: are hunting third rifle one of the years one of

733
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: the first years we met, and I bring one of

734
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: my favorite combos is the an apple with Jiff peanut butter.

735
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: But you get the squeeze bottles Jeff for Jeff, Yes, yeah,

736
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: but they make it in the squeeze bottle so you

737
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: don't have to like take it with your fork and

738
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: put it on your apple. You just take it by

739
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: your apple, you put it in the dent and then

740
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: you eat it another And David Curtis was like, man,

741
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: that's so stupid. That's it's a lot of weight. Like,

742
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really like it's kind of an

743
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: unhealthy peanut butter.

744
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah.

745
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm not kidding you. Two years later, we go

746
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: on a spring bear hunting. We are on top of

747
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: the mountain and he pulls off his squeeze jip. I'm like, ma, man,

748
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: so yeah, I like peanut butter. Like peanut butter does it.

749
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: It's very satiating for sure, very low quality protein. Know

750
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: we don't talk about it here though.

751
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly vet out your system. Know what you're gonna

752
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: eat beforehand. Don't try to experiment on new.

753
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: Food, not buy brand new freeze dried meals. And eat

754
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: them when you get out there. No, please, sure will be.

755
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Like Jeff and shitting at an opportune times.

756
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, don't don't do that. Yeah, just like anything beforehand,

757
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: have a game plan, know your game plan, stick to

758
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: your game plan.

759
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, good luck. Well preface of having Curtis

760
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: on there.

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah next week Yeah.

762
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Alright. Peace.

763
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: M m mm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmm