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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Yeah, maybe the fourth be with you, dork,

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Speaker 1: and that is Django fed. No, we're just two other

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Speaker 1: washed losers. Hi. Everyone, my name is Luke Thomas. That

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Speaker 1: is Brian Campbell. This is Morning Combat, the best efing

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Speaker 1: combat sports podcast that ever was. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: to get to today. We're gonna have an all UFC

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Speaker 1: name is Luke Thomas, one half of your hosting duo,

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Speaker 1: joined by the drug rug man himself. It's Captain Washed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Admiral Washed, maybe Commander Washed,

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Speaker 3: Wow, Luke short of just outright showing your hog on

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Speaker 3: today's show, given the people what they want with this

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Speaker 3: all UFC edition of Morning Combat. Uh, we're gonna close it,

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Speaker 3: get ready, Luke quick shout out to uh at Average

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Speaker 1: You know, I know, and that we were you know,

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Speaker 1: super super grateful. We see, whenever you get stuff like this,

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Speaker 3: Pretty pretinuation of the warm feelings I regularly get when

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Speaker 3: I realize like we're building a community here and it's

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Speaker 3: Dick jokes and and you know there's there's room for more,

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Speaker 3: so come on board. Okay, uh, you know two of

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Speaker 3: every kind. Let's let's uh, let's beat the storm here,

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Speaker 3: Luke of life and uh and do it. I mean

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Speaker 3: we got some talented mother efforts that like this show.

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Speaker 3: So uh, you know, like I said, Uh, Cosby, you

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Speaker 3: Cosby doc? W kmal Bell. How about a doc on

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Speaker 3: our lives and our Rise? Okay, Luke, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: All right, As a reminder, we're gonna do all UFC

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, the two are not mutually exclusive. But

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Speaker 3: You're not supposed to say that, Luke. Okay, they're supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Selective amnesia. If somebody mispronounces the South America.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm having some fun. But can we move

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll say this, if they wanted it

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Speaker 3: Maybe I think it's just tough, Luke. Does it say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's look at it. Here. You got Jones

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Speaker 1: You gotta love this one, dude, Macaman on Kalaia of

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Speaker 1: taking on BC's favorite fighter Anthony Smith. Now we do

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Speaker 1: know that Miochich has apparently told UFC that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to fight until September, which had upset John Jones.

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Speaker 1: And again, you look at the legend of the map

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Speaker 1: one more time. Blow it up here very quickly, very quickly.

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Speaker 1: You'll see Jones and Miochich also have that red sticker

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Speaker 1: next to their name. So what does that mean? It's

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Speaker 1: still conditional, They can move it around. They have a

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Speaker 1: verbal agreement, not a written agreement. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the map means here per se, but I was under

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Speaker 1: the impression BC that they had moved that basically to September.

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Speaker 1: Do you still think that a late July fight between

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Speaker 1: Jones and Miyochich is actually in play?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because you know that could could this

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Speaker 3: have been put on the board a week before and

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Speaker 3: while they're talking to the guys and they just had

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Speaker 3: an updated I don't know, dud Do I love that

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Speaker 3: this leaked and that there's this you know, conspiracy angle

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Speaker 3: of us trying to figure out and decode. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of fun there. And by the way, Aaron Blanchfield

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Speaker 3: versus JJ Aldrich, I don't hate that fight either, even

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Speaker 3: though I I didn't see that.

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Speaker 1: Can you blow it up one more time? We'll BC talks.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry that's the card above it. I was just

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Speaker 3: you know, I always look out for the women's fights, Luke,

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Speaker 3: usually through Instagram. But my point is this that Felice

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Speaker 3: Herrick versus Carolina Kolevlkevitch above that. Whoa what are we

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Speaker 3: doing here?

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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke, I don't know how real this is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how close this is. That seems a

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Speaker 3: little too soon. But if you're telling me, the month

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Speaker 3: of July could bring us this in fact right and

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Speaker 3: a loaded IFW card. Whether you hate the hamsa Ds

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Speaker 3: fight or not, you're still getting a great fight in

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Speaker 3: cannon Near versus out of Sonia. A loaded card around

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Speaker 3: that if it means Sugar Shane finally stepping up against

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Speaker 3: a top ten guy in Muno's. And we closed the

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Speaker 3: month with this historic, insanely huge fight which takes place

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Speaker 3: one day after the vacation I just scheduled to replace

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Speaker 3: the one that got canceled when my family got sick. Luke,

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Speaker 3: admit it. It's first world problems. But you can't win

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Speaker 3: booking a vacation in this business. You can't win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's impossible.

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Speaker 3: It's impossible. Mayweather Pakia two is going to drop on

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Speaker 3: whatever date you put out there. It's just it's inevitable.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, look at the cities. If I

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Speaker 1: again my vision is not great. It looks God damn

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Speaker 1: it one more time. Guy. Sorry, I know I'm giving

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Speaker 1: you a bunch of different instructions. It looks like it

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Speaker 1: says NYC Boston.

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Speaker 3: It says SLC Salt.

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Speaker 1: Lake City, Salt Lake City, Boston, and then Chicago Dallas.

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Speaker 1: I can't read that last second.

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Speaker 3: It's Houston, Chicago, Dallas. But whatever. Look, the point is

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Speaker 3: they haven't figured it out. It'd probably be Houston because

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Speaker 3: they seem to have signed some lucrative deal to go

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Speaker 3: to Houston a few times a year. Good, you know,

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Speaker 3: more power to them.

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Speaker 1: But hold on, dude, if they go to Dallas, would

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Speaker 1: they go to American what is it, American Airlines Arena,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is done there. Oh it's Boston, Houston, Boston.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you were right, But they wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't could they wouldn't take Jones to Jerry's school.

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Speaker 3: I love that you brought that up, because they do

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Speaker 3: tend to go to the NBA Arenas more often than not.

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Speaker 3: We often say, you know, you put fifty seven thousand

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Speaker 3: in Australia a couple of times, you put a ridiculous

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Speaker 3: amount in the damn SkyDome for GSP that time. Why

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Speaker 3: is UFC not on a more consistent basis doing the

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Speaker 3: kind of big crowd shit that like UK boxing is doing.

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Speaker 3: If they did that, Luke, that would obviously be a

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Speaker 3: fight that would make that make it sense and make

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Speaker 3: it worth that mean, could you imagine being a damn

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Speaker 3: Dome for UFC events only happened a few times Luke

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Speaker 3: only happened with that size, energy and crowd, That'd be wild.

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Speaker 1: I went to the one they did in the UH

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Speaker 1: in Toronto when GSP fought Jake Shields, and it was

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Speaker 1: it was incredible. I mean, I know people complain all

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Speaker 1: the time that like if you go to UFC and

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Speaker 1: or you watch UFC on TV, it's like they're in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: or they're in Houston, or they're in Florida, and it

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Speaker 1: just looks the same because inside the NBA arenas that

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Speaker 1: there's just no way to really differentiate the product. But

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Speaker 1: when they went to what was it the what was

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Speaker 1: it the not the SkyDome but Rogers Rogers Center, what

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Speaker 1: a Bell Center, whatever it's called it out in Toronto,

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Speaker 1: it did look different. It did have a real special feel.

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Speaker 1: Or when they went to the Marvel Stadium in Australia,

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Speaker 1: same thing. It had a real different kind of vibe

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Speaker 1: to it that it's hard to get. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they play on doing that. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Jones versus mealch is gonna happen on that date, but

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Speaker 1: I would say that if they can find ways to

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Speaker 1: go to some of these a little bit bigger but

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Speaker 1: slightly different venues in terms of the look that they

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Speaker 1: give off. We were just there for spenc and Ugas. Dude.

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Speaker 1: It has a different feel, man, it really really does.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm a janitor at the UFC headquarters, I'm

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Speaker 3: screenshot and everything at all times and selling it to

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Speaker 3: the highest bidder, Like, oh, Mike Bone, you want to

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Speaker 3: you want to scoop here you go, bro, all right,

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Speaker 3: you know what do you get out of it? My sister, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's what you get on That's just that's not not

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Speaker 3: cool at all. No, but look, you know this did

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Speaker 3: feel like when you make fun of somebody on an

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Speaker 3: email and then somebody forwards it to all your bosses

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Speaker 3: to ask a question from it. It did? It had

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Speaker 3: that feel, right, everyone's been there.

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Speaker 1: It did. It did. I would just caution everyone, a

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Speaker 1: lot of this seems very preliminary, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: it could change. Just just be wary. But humsod versus

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Speaker 1: Nate Diaz, boy that you want to talk about, what's

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Speaker 1: the opposite of rolling out the red carpet, putting you

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Speaker 1: in the red carpet, and then dumping you at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the lake. I mean, I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: But dude, could he be competitive all in that? And

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Speaker 3: could he take even a level of competitive loss that

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Speaker 3: he took against Mosviital, which I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are like that wasn't competitive at all, But in

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Speaker 3: look in spots it was. Could he even have a

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Speaker 3: losing performance similar to the Mosviital fight against JAMAIAV.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, if Chamaya keeps fighting in a very

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Speaker 1: undisciplined way. Yes, it is possible that someone like Nads

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Speaker 1: who's gonna have great submissions, who is pretty durable still,

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Speaker 1: although that's weighed a little bit. You know, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: leave the door open. But if Chamayah fights like a

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Speaker 1: very hard nosed but very careful way, dude, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very bad fight for Nate. That's

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Speaker 1: a very very That's a bad fight for Nick or Nate,

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Speaker 1: to be quite acus, this is data going.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Nate, enjoy losing about two hundred thousand pay per

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Speaker 3: view bys against Jake Paul After you leave us here,

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Speaker 3: after we you know, you get swallowed by this man.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. So so we'll pay attention to this as

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Speaker 1: the days in the week's unfold, all right, b see,

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Speaker 1: let's lean into UFC two seventy four. We finally have

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Speaker 1: another U pay per view. It is, of course, on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to go through the main card. Starting

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Speaker 1: with the main event, Charles Olivera taken on Justin Gagsen. Now,

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Speaker 1: Olivera is your champion. I looked up the odds just

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Speaker 1: prior to the show BC. He is a slight slight favorite,

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Speaker 1: although it's pretty close. But I want to start with

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Speaker 1: this question for you, and I want to read out

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Speaker 1: some names as well. Here is the question, and let

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Speaker 1: me read the names to you. The question is not

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Speaker 1: is he the most hated, because he's not. He's well liked,

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Speaker 1: and not that people don't think he's good. They do.

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Speaker 1: But is Charles Olivera the most doubted champion in UFC history?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: I made a list of names of other champions who

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Speaker 1: I recall being doubted in their career. Where would Charles

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Speaker 1: Olivera fall along these lines? Tim Silvia, Carla Esparza, Tyron Woodley,

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Speaker 1: Matt Sarah, Jermaine Durande, Me Benson Henderson. You could add

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Speaker 1: Nico Montagno in there, but she was more like reviled

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Speaker 1: than doubted. There's sort of a slight difference. I would

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Speaker 1: say Tim Sylvia.

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Speaker 3: Slightly more doubted. Rights Bisman was.

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Speaker 1: Doubted, but by the time that's true, but by the

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Speaker 1: time he got the belt there was this sort of

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Speaker 1: like victory lap tour kind of thing going on. But

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Speaker 1: for me, Tim Sylvia is significantly more doubted than Charles Olavera.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, there's a lot of lingering

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Speaker 1: doubts about the guy.

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Speaker 3: Why yeah, Look, it's I think he was in this

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Speaker 3: conversation of most doubted. But I think you know, whether

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Speaker 3: it's forty percent fifty percent, he's making believers by his

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Speaker 3: ability to finish elite names. So why was he heavily doubted?

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Speaker 3: Easy when he came, you know, upon the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: fight for this vacant title, it was, you know, the

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Speaker 3: end of this era where lightweight was the deepest, most

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Speaker 3: dangerous division we'd ever seen in the history of UFC.

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Speaker 3: And he didn't have to beat the champion, Habib Hermaga

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Speaker 3: Metov to get that belt. In fact, Luke, you know

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Speaker 3: when they booked that interim title, vacant title about whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to say, you know, those weren't even the

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Speaker 3: two preferred choices at that moment, with Poorier having reportedly

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Speaker 3: turned down, you know, a title shot to face Connor twice.

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Speaker 3: So that's going to always be where you're a paper

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Speaker 3: champion or you're not real champion. I mean, look, even

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Speaker 3: Daniel Cormier was not considered to a lot of people

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Speaker 3: as the real light heavyweight champion because he never beat

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Speaker 3: John Jones. But you now have to start to ask yourself,

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Speaker 3: how quickly has that changed? And what would a victory

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Speaker 3: over someone as dangerous as Justin Gaichee, dude, to maybe

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Speaker 3: completely change that, Luke. I hadn't thought of it before.

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Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes you get into some good slack

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Speaker 3: debates with your uh, with your teammates or co workers.

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Speaker 3: And I was on the CBS Sports slack machine watching

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Speaker 3: from a distance, a nice little debate, you know, Shack,

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Speaker 3: Brent Brookhouse, Brandon Wise, our boys going. You know, Habib

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Speaker 3: has such a great case for goat dumb, retiring unbeaten

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Speaker 3: on his own terms. But you know he didn't always

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Speaker 3: get to fight everyone we wanted to. His reign wasn't

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Speaker 3: as long as we would have liked to. What about

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Speaker 3: the rain that Charles OLIVERA could be putting together? If

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Speaker 3: he adds this victory over Justin Gaichee, you wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: on paper, you know, is he a leader or maybe

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Speaker 3: in the running for greatest light weight champion of all time?

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Speaker 3: Yet if he gets this victory, and you just look

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Speaker 3: at the victories in title fights in this current run, dude,

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Speaker 3: I know Charles OLIVERI can get doubted because he takes

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Speaker 3: big damage in fights in order to finish folks, And

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Speaker 3: that's that's a true statement. But dude, he's putting together

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Speaker 3: something so special so quickly that we're even having these debates.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about that. I think the idea of is

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Speaker 3: he the most overlooked or underrated or whatever champion that

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Speaker 3: you started off the question that's going away, and Luke,

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be gone if he beats gay

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Speaker 3: Chee because dude, this is a killer lineup. Chandler, Porier,

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Speaker 3: I mean, who do they fight before that?

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Speaker 1: I'm forgetting Ferguson. So this is the wind streak. He

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Speaker 1: lost to Paul Felder in twenty seventeen, all right, fair enough.

647
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Speaker 1: Then he beat Klayweeda, Christo's Chiagos, Jim Miller, David Tamer,

648
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Speaker 1: Nick Lance, Jared Gordon, Kevin Lee, Tony Ferguson, Michael Chandler,

649
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Speaker 1: Dustin Poorier. And remember you could say, oh, well POORI

650
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Speaker 1: a Chandler, all the only the two toughest names that

651
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Speaker 1: he thought all those other guys were, you know, lesser

652
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Speaker 1: than right, But he finished both of them. He finished,

653
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Speaker 1: so he.

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Speaker 3: Would have he would have a win streak that would

655
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Speaker 3: be at what number? Do you know? That off fan.

656
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Speaker 1: If he wins this one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

657
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: this will be eleven if he gets so that's that's insane.

658
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: Huge to begin with. That puts you in the top

659
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Speaker 3: five probably in terms of longest win streaks in this

660
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Speaker 3: company's history. And now your three title wins would be Chandler,

661
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: Pourier and gae Chee after already having been Ferguson. No,

662
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: you didn't get to fight Habib. I'm sure like that.

663
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, I could sit by the fire for years

664
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Speaker 3: and wonder if Charles Oliver against Prime Habib what it

665
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Speaker 3: would have looked like. Now that we know Charlie ollis,

666
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: is this good? But Luke, the whole point is you

667
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: can only fight who's available to you. He's fighting these

668
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: guys and he's finishing them. Do you agree with me,

669
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Speaker 3: Luke that if he does this one more time against

670
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: gay Chee? For dude, that conversation you started with is

671
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: is yesterday's news.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

673
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Go give that shit to GDR. That ain't what Charlie

674
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Speaker 3: Olives is becoming all about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a great point that you raised, because

676
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Speaker 1: if you look at the title reigns of the other

677
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Speaker 1: guys Jens Pulver a long time ago, certainly well respected,

678
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put it on the level of what

679
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera is doing. Sean Shirk was good, but again

680
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: an early prototype, and he also fought of Welter Waiton

681
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: had some success there. Bj penn is a much bigger name,

682
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: but the quality of the title defenses I don't think

683
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Speaker 1: would be as high. Agen. If you're adding Gaigie to

684
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Speaker 1: the list, then you have Edgar and Henderson Henderson, by

685
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: the way, Benson Henderson also a very doubted champ because

686
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Speaker 1: he had a lot of decisions and people thought that

687
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have won. Pettis is there, then Dosanjos, then Alvarez,

688
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: then McGregor, and then you get to nemer Ga mayde

689
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Speaker 1: if he looked at Demerga made to your point he

690
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: had the poirier finish, and then to Justin Gaetge finish.

691
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Charles Olivera goes in there and beats him,

692
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna have what Nimberga Maydov had, which was

693
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Speaker 1: just this overwhelming. He was an overwhelming force of nature, undefeated.

694
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Speaker 1: People could hardly do anything to him. People have done

695
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Speaker 1: stuff to Charles OLIVERA, they've heard him, they've rocked him,

696
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: They've they've they've I mean they've done every i mean,

697
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: cut him, flatlined him, gone into his guard. But on

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Speaker 1: this streak since twenty seventeen, if you just look at

699
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Speaker 1: what he has put together, especially as champion, that's as

700
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Speaker 1: good as anyone else's. I mean, just number Goa. Maydov's

701
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: defenses were Parier and Gaiche. What if Gechee goes in

702
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: there and gets submitted from the back in one round

703
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: by Charles Leverro within two rounds, something similar to what

704
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Speaker 1: have even Nembergaminov would do. You couldn't have the overall

705
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: resume that Normbera Maydov had, but the championship run would

706
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: be just as good, if not better. Although BC, how

707
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Speaker 1: do you count a round against Michael Chandler where he

708
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: nearly got finished even though he came back and won,

709
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Speaker 1: So he still got the victory, but it wasn't as

710
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Speaker 1: clean or clear cut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's part again that fuels the

712
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Speaker 3: argument of is he really that good or you know,

713
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Speaker 3: has luck been on his side or whatever however you

714
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: want to frame it. But again, if it's this many

715
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: names in a row and he's finishing them. What you're watching,

716
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: obviously is a great story, but you're watching somebody whose

717
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: career resume may not compare to Habiba as you just mentioned,

718
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: but their absolute prime resume is becoming impeachable. It's becoming insane.

719
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Speaker 3: I think that's ultimately part of what's at stake here

720
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: for Charles OLIVERA And I know that, you know, people

721
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: hate when every podcast makes every fight into some goat

722
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: discussion or is he now the best or the third

723
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Speaker 3: best in this division's history. That's not the point of this.

724
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Speaker 3: The point is this just to say, I think he's

725
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: already transitioned out of that sort of paper champion. Oh

726
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: he never beat Habib to like, who the hell else

727
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: could he defeat? Because Luke, he is the ultimate elite

728
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 3: risk reward guy. Like he's not a full on reckless fighter,

729
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: but his ability to stand next to that fire for

730
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: almost the complete fight and take whatever damage comes, knowing

731
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: that opening will eventually be there. It is so rare

732
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: to find this on the elite level because it's so

733
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: damn hard to pull it off with with that type

734
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: of risk reward quotion in front of you. Everybody else

735
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: is seemingly trying to lessen the danger. Right, look at

736
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: GSP trying to maniacally figure out ways to lessen the

737
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: danger to just you know, mute you of what makes

738
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Speaker 3: you good? Olivera's like, bring what makes you good? I'm

739
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: gonna take it. I'm gonna stop you. You know I

740
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: did it all for the Favella. I mean he did, Luke.

741
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean this guy. Forget about the DC flag on

742
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: his forearm. This guy is like a living, living, breathing

743
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: embodiment of of you know, a rags to rich's life story.

744
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: And he still fights like that with that hunger. It's wild.

745
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: We can't doubt him anymore. And this is such a

746
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: hard damn fight on paper, it's ridiculous. Luke, is this

747
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: one of the five best fights you can make in

748
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: the sport?

749
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Speaker 1: Right now?

750
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: It's an arbitrary question in a lot of ways, but

751
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: damn this is a good fight.

752
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about five biggest, but maybe one of the

753
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: fact best. But I do want to get to that

754
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: point about the doubt because it is relevant because justin

755
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Justin Gatchee said something that I thought was kind of interesting,

756
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: which you hear a lot, which was if you've ever

757
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: quit before in a fight or something like that. You

758
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: once you break that seal, so to speak, you can

759
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: always go people. And people do go back to it

760
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: like that's a quitter's way out because they let themselves

761
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Speaker 1: give in to the difficulty. And I want to say

762
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: something about that. I've seen this, not this is not

763
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: for me, but like in being in gyms, I have

764
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: seen situationations and people where that's definitely true, where once

765
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: they begin to realize that quitting, it makes the bad

766
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: part stop and they get too tired again. There's a

767
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: famous quote fatigue mixed cowards of men, like that your

768
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: decision making begins to falter. There is a difference between

769
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: guys who pushed through in guys who don't. But here's

770
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: the difference we see. For as true as it is

771
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: that if you are comfortable quitting, and if you've been

772
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: comfortable quitting in the past, you can go back to it,

773
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: the reality is there is something to be said for

774
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Speaker 1: the opposite. I have witnessed with my own eyes people

775
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: who didn't know what it meant to push through difficulty,

776
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: and then when they saw other people do it or

777
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: they learned about it, they actually got significantly tougher. They

778
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: actually learned to not give in to that voice in

779
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: their head that told them to stop, to make it

780
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: easy on themselves to quit. They actually learned how to

781
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: shut that out. Now, some people are born with that

782
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, some people have that more naturally.

783
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: But the reality is, can you teach someone to withstand

784
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: difficulty when it ordinarily doesn't occur to them? Yes, you

785
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: absolutely can. So I'm not saying that olive E won't

786
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: go back to a bad place if Justin Gage smashes

787
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: a hole in his face like he said he would,

788
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think his ten and potentially eleven fight

789
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: win streak he might have on Saturday. Again, We'll see

790
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: how it goes. This idea that like, oh, once you

791
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: do it, you always go back to it. No, not really.

792
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: You didn't see it in the Chandler fight for a

793
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: very good reason because he fucking rallied, man, he fucking rallied.

794
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: He went right back into the freight and he won

795
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: that fight. A quitter wouldn't have done that. So I

796
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: want to be clear about that. It is true people

797
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: who quit will go back to it a lot, but

798
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: it is also true that you can learn how to

799
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: steal your mind. And I think that's the veteran side

800
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: of Charles Olavera making up the difference.

801
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: No doubt. Look how many elections Abraham Lincoln lost, you know,

802
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: Look how many times you and I have been kicked

803
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: in the face, Luke, or you know, or blew up

804
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: our own spot right, and how to learn from those lessons.

805
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: But look here where we are today. It depends on

806
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: the person, no question, Luke. It It reminds me a

807
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: lot of that debate we used to have in drinking

808
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: circles in the woods of you know, whoever breaks the

809
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: first seal, you know, is not man enough. They used

810
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: to call me uterus boy, Luke when I would drink

811
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: you know Miller High lives in the woods and be

812
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: the first one to go behind the tree and whiz

813
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: and I'm all like, you know, enjoy your your kidney

814
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: stones letter in life, folks. Thanks. You know who's the

815
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: man now? You know what I mean in this regard, Luke,

816
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that matters Charlie Olivera's hair, and he's

817
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: as dangerous as anyone. It doesn't matter if he had

818
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: to take hard else to get here, hard else. Harden

819
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: you and I say this whenever people ask me career advice. Luke.

820
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: I know there's all like the fail forward idea, and

821
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: that's cool too, but like, dude, take your els, take

822
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: them in your in your growth and in your journey.

823
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: Take them, learn from them, absorb them, but get past them,

824
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: get through them. Right for going through hell, keep going

825
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: and it makes you better for it. You're more seasoned,

826
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: you're you're you're smarter, You're in This is a great again,

827
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: you know. I called Juliana Pania's victory over man in

828
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: Nunas the triumph of the human spirit. I feel like

829
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: we're seeing these type of victories a lot lately, Charlie

830
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: Olivera's title reign Rose Noma Unus getting back into championship

831
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: form after you know, considering quitting. Like we're seeing how

832
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: much people who took that l are resoundingly growing from this.

833
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: So nice tough guy comment from Geichee. I don't think

834
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: it works, and Luke tell me if I'm wrong. On

835
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: this weekon of Gai Chee, who, by the way, great

836
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: tweet from Ali Abdelazi's and I don't say that often

837
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: because he's not only tweeting for himself, but typically as

838
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: fighters too. But he said, fun fact, this is Justin

839
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: Gaichee's tenth UFC fight and his ninth main event, So

840
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: let's give that guy some respect for the how many

841
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: fight of the year candadas. The only time he wasn't

842
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: the main event was what Michael Chandler and they put

843
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 3: on the damn fight of the year.

844
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Speaker 1: So it's showing you about Getchee here for a second.

845
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: You see, that's a great point you bring up. Remember

846
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: his first fight was that main event against Michael Johnson,

847
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: and Todd Grisham called that fight. I was a crazy

848
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: fucking fight. I mean, this dude was highly regarded when

849
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: he was brought over from a World Series of Fighting BC.

850
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: There's no denying it would be an incredible an incredible

851
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: triumph to a beating Charles Lavera, a high quality opponent.

852
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: The champion would just do wonders for your resume. It

853
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: would make him a full on champion. Remember he was

854
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: the interim champion after he beat Tony Ferguson. He took

855
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: the belt off. He wanted the real one. But b C,

856
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: what is realistically achievable beyond that for Justin gai Chee.

857
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: Considering there was I'm not gonna say one sided lost

858
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: to Habib. That's not quite right, but don't do it.

859
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: Don't do it.

860
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: It was never fully really putting it on Habib, and

861
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Habib kind of showed mercy to him in the way

862
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: which he was attacking submissions. But the point being is

863
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: he lost to Habib. Habib, fuck off with that. I'm sorry, dude.

864
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: The submissions he went for and like the lack of

865
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: ground and pound was clearly intentional. Bro. You can say

866
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: whatever you want about the leg kicks. Habib took a

867
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: little bit of easy on him, but it doesn't matter

868
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: either way. It doesn't way. He lost the fight. He

869
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: lost the fight, and so now Habib's gone. What can

870
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: Justin Gaiche reclaim with a win on Saturday, Well.

871
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: To a lesser degree, I think he can reclaim the

872
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: respect that he's not getting right now for all the

873
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: things we just mentioned and being a consistent main eventor

874
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: who's altered his style from full on brawler to now

875
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: effective finisher, going into that fight with Abib with with

876
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: I thought, such a great game plan and seemingly, whether

877
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: you believe it or not, being one kick away from

878
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: like putting him in peril. It seemed to be working. Yes,

879
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: he got submitted quickly once a Bee went into Habib mode,

880
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: but you get my point. I think he has been

881
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: deserving of being right back into this title picture. I

882
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: constantly hear people saying he doesn't oh he lost to

883
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: a biboh blah blah blah. Dude, Like, look at the

884
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 3: who he has fought since coming to the UFC. Don't

885
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: forget he was I don't want to say a big

886
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: name free agent, but he like he was a mid

887
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 3: career free agent coming over from World Series of Fighting,

888
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: where he had a very good, decorated run and was

889
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: a champion and all that. But Luke, when they make

890
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: that jump, albeit from Bellator or wherever, you know, you

891
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: don't know if it's gonna be a Will Brooks Ending

892
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: or an Eddie Alvarez. You know, Michael Chandler ending. Gaechee

893
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: has been ali in world class and has got figured

894
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: out ways to get better, Yet for whatever reason, people

895
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: constantly doubt him. Dude, this is obviously the best chance

896
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: to kick those doubters right in the face by becoming

897
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: the champion, and by doing it against a guy who's

898
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: been finishing everyone else. I just think when you talk

899
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: about who's criminally underrated. I've had Gaatechee has eight or

900
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: nine on my powfer pound list, you know, consistently here

901
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: during this run. And I don't see how people look

902
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 3: at his game since he made that change with coach

903
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: Whitman and went on that run toward that Habib fight,

904
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: how people can't see how freaking elite he is.

905
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: Luke.

906
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: This to me is just all about that. It's career validation, obviously,

907
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: because you become a UFC champion, it's almost becoming immortalized.

908
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 3: But I think people have really missed who this guy

909
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: has become, Luke. And he's got this great opportunity on Saturday.

910
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: And I say great because as much as Charlie Olives

911
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: can finish you at any time, he puts himself in

912
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: spots where he can also be finished. And if you're

913
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: among the most devastating finishers in this game, which Gachee is,

914
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: you have to love your chances coming into here Luke.

915
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: So he's gonna tell all them haters to shut the

916
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: f up. This guy's great.

917
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Here. Here's his UFC today. He fought Michael Johnson in

918
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, which he won TKO round two followed up

919
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: with back to back losses. Although Eddie Alvarez no longer

920
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: in UFC, Dustin Poarier, I'd be very curious to see

921
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: how a second Gey Chee and Poarier fight might go.

922
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: But credit to Poorier, he was the better man that night.

923
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: Then James Vick, hui O, Edson, Barbosa, huy Ko, Donald

924
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: Serroney who with TKO, Tony Ferguson who he TKO? Remember

925
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: he lost to? And Michael Chandler who he beat. That's

926
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: the only decision a win or even lost. Really, but

927
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: this is the only decision victory that he has had

928
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: since joining the UFC, and it was against the other

929
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: sort of bellatour to a World Series of Fighting version

930
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: of himself. BC. Are you this is interesting? Are you

931
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: of the belief that Gai Chee is I didn't think.

932
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't consider him underrated. You consider him underrated?

933
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: I do, I do?

934
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: What's his best win? What's his best win? Johnson, Vic, Barbosa, SERRONI, Ferguson, Chandler,

935
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: what's the best win?

936
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: I mean Chandlers. You know he went to war and

937
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: almost had to get off of who he's trying to

938
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: be just to out it's funny Chandler did to Gaichie

939
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: what Gichee did or attempted to do to Alvarez in

940
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: Poier in their two fights. So those are the only

941
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: two losses outside of Habib for Geechee in this promotion.

942
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: But that was like the old one of him, who's

943
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: just like, I'm gonna find out how man you really

944
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: are and find out if you can swim with me.

945
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: And I think it was obviously finding out that both

946
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: of those guys could that led to him making this change.

947
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: Since that change, I mean, I guess you got to

948
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: say Chandler here, but Luke, I don't see how you

949
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: don't see how underrated this guy is and how much

950
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 3: people are just overlooking that. I mean, he's you don't

951
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: man handle him on the ground, He's you know, he's

952
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: life or death if he has to. His striking is incredible,

953
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: the way to how he's able to land heavy, heavy

954
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: strikes at close range and chop you down with leg kicks,

955
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: and yet still figure out constantly how to retool and

956
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: become a more efficient finisher. Damn.

957
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is I agree with you

958
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: that he's as a dude, I think Justin Gatgee is

959
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: a marvel. He makes this division better. Every fight he's

960
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: in is just a is just a uh you know,

961
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: it's a mosh pit. It's incredible. Even even with the

962
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Reformation with Trevor Whitman. You go back and look at

963
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: what he did to Tony Ferguson. It was surgical, but

964
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: at the same time it was just so quite literally

965
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: heavy handed and violent. I guess my point is, if

966
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: you join the UFC and your three losses are Alvarez,

967
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Poorier and nemer Gamdov, no shame there because A I

968
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: think what a rematch of Poitier would be winnable. Alvarez

969
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: again out of the UFC. Nemer Gamedov not really available. But

970
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: those losses kind of indicate there's a level that which

971
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe he hasn't He either can't or hasn't gotten to yet.

972
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: I would say this, you beat Charles Olivera, that's the

973
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: best win of your career bar nine. With or without

974
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: the title. This version of Charles Olivera would represent to

975
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: me a much more significant win as good as the

976
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: win over Tony Ferguson was. Charles Olivera is younger. I

977
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: don't think as as much damage as he's incurred, I

978
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: don't think he had as much damage, although Ferguson got

979
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the most amount damn from Justin Gaegee. I'm just pointing out,

980
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: for as good as he's looked for, as much of

981
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: a hammer as he's been, maybe number Goa Madeov is

982
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: not there and maybe he can't get that rematch or whatever.

983
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: But this win on Saturday, to me would absolutely be

984
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: the most validating. And it's not because as a title

985
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: it's because that quality of opponent to date has been

986
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: something that has eluded him. It's a huge, huge opportunity

987
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: for him.

988
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: And he asked me the best win, I mean, it

989
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: could easily be Ferguson, and that was sort of the

990
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: fight that we all sort of went, Wow, it's Ferguson

991
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: going in the other direction. Well, good God. The violence

992
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: that he put out that Geychie put on him fueled that. Obviously,

993
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: the Chandler one's just huge because it's a fight of

994
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: the year and Chandler is so prime in that position.

995
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: But Luke, he punched a hole in Edson Barbosa in

996
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: ways that you know no one else was doing that. Yeah,

997
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: Barbosa's got lost his mixed in and he's always been

998
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: a warrior and always fought the best. But you remember

999
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: that beating Barbosa took from from Habib for three rounds,

1000
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: one of the most brutal ones. I mean, Gechie came

1001
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: out in that first round. You know that that's the

1002
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: new version of him, like we talked about and just

1003
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: punched a hole in him. That's that's one of his

1004
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: great wins as well that I think it's overlooked. So look,

1005
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: you know he's got a chance to change that narrative.

1006
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: But damn, dude, this fight, damn and it's like, I mean,

1007
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: you know, and so was Alvarez Chandler. I'm not alver.

1008
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: So was gay Chee Chandler on paper. So was olivera

1009
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: poorier on paper, and you know, OLIVERA Chandler, Like what

1010
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: a Even though I feel like bantam Waighte has you know,

1011
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: slightly surpassed lightweight of late wait and into almost historical

1012
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: levels of just you know, absurd depth and legitimate title

1013
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: challengers up and down the top ten rankings, Damn, lightweight

1014
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: still got it. And obviously we tend to forget to

1015
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: talk about Islam Mahachev in these discussions as all these

1016
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: all action bangers fight one another. But we got a

1017
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: great one, a special one on Saturday, and Maha Chef's

1018
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: coming right after that.

1019
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Luke's coming back.

1020
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 3: That could change. He could by the way he could

1021
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: have He could have a John j He owns effect

1022
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: on this division. Think about it before John Jones. All

1023
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: these Hall of Famers are trading the bell every other

1024
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: fight right now, all these lightweight bangers are getting into

1025
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: all these wars with each other. Islam might just come

1026
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: on the scene and take that over Luke.

1027
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I mean John was so much quicker

1028
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: than what Mankachev has put together. But okay, neither here

1029
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: nor there either way. If you get Geechee at Makachev

1030
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: or you get Olivera Makachev, you can't. It's just a

1031
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal fight in either direction. So I can't wait to

1032
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: see that. Let's move to topic number two. Be see

1033
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: there is there are I should say, two title fights

1034
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: on this card, of course, Olivera and Gaichie being the

1035
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: first one, the second one being the rematch between Rose

1036
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: noma Unis and Carla Asparza. A lot has changed in

1037
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: both of their careers since the first time they met.

1038
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: Going back to the original question, who's the most doubted champion?

1039
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: I think Asparsa had a lot of doubts because she

1040
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: never really was able to defend her title. But see,

1041
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: I want to start with this question for you. Does

1042
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: a win solidify if Rose noam Unis gets the win?

1043
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Does a win on Saturday solidify her as the best

1044
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: strawweight ever?

1045
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: I think it does, and it's a it's a perfect

1046
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: footnote in a lot of ways that this like one

1047
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: eighty spin, that she's constantly I mean, she's constantly reinventing

1048
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 3: herself even after wins sometimes right because she wears her

1049
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: emotions in her development and growth so openly on her sleeve.

1050
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: And I always give Rose credit for that. But to

1051
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: go back to the person that she lost the inaugural

1052
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: title fight for like obviously you know a Sparzo beat her,

1053
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: but then it was over because Yuanna was common to

1054
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: Yuanna's reign, is you know, really really hard to beat

1055
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: of those I think five six consecutive title defenses. But

1056
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: not only did Rose go on to beat Yoanna twice,

1057
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: including you know, one by dominance and one by just

1058
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: thorough edging her out in a classic fight that people

1059
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: really consistently forget to talk about. Yeah, dude, this would

1060
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: be it because you as much as we give credit

1061
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: to people for long reigns and many defenses and the

1062
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: kind of runs that Silva gsp newness, John Jones went on, Dude,

1063
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: it might be even harder to constantly keep coming back.

1064
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: And I mean she got dropped on her head and

1065
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: knocked out and was considering quitting. And all she's done

1066
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: since then is I mean she picked Wayey twice and

1067
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: glitting knocking her the hell out. Dude, I mean, this

1068
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: is wild. She already avenged the Androge loss by walking

1069
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: through hell in round three to do it. She's the

1070
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: most battle tested and really most complete if we're really

1071
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: being honest, you want it was great. She pushed an

1072
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: insane pace and she was tough as shit, but she

1073
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: was never a finisher. Rose is sort of next level

1074
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: and can do so much more on the ground, on

1075
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 3: the feet skill wise, and I think now accomplishment wise

1076
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: with a win here. Yes, you're looking at the greatest

1077
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: strawweight in the history of this game and in my

1078
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 3: working still in progress all time great female rankings. Boy,

1079
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: is she climbing that one too, Luke, Because you know

1080
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: that one looks like Newness, Cyborg, Schifchenko and whatever order

1081
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: you want. But how many other names are gonna be

1082
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: between them and Rose if she keeps winning? Luke, We're

1083
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: watching a historically special fighter constantly grow, evolve and entertain

1084
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: us here. And I love this fight for the storyline

1085
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: purpose and I also like it for the challenge. Look

1086
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: as Sparsa takes you down and goes full mount like

1087
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: you're seeing in these pictures, you know she can do damage.

1088
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: This is not an easy fight. Although we're talking more

1089
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: about what is Rose gain with a win here, But damn, Luke,

1090
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: wake up and realize who Rose is. Put some respect

1091
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 3: on her name. Same Jim as Gaegee. I'm telling you

1092
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: how underrated Gaichie is. I'm not saying Rose is underrated,

1093
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 3: but she may be all time rated before it's said

1094
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: and done. What a great, great performer. And yes, she's

1095
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: she's got She's on her way there, Luke, greatest.

1096
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: I'll say this, this is this is my answer. And

1097
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: again she has to get the win otherwise this is

1098
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: completely out. So assuming that Numminunus wins, what I would

1099
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: say is that would make her the greatest strawweight a

1100
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: UFC champion of all time. However, I would still say

1101
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: that the best single strawweight campaign, like a single string

1102
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: of wins, would belong to Yoanni and j Check. Right

1103
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: she came to the UFC on defeated. She beat Karla

1104
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Esparza to capture the title in March of twenty fifteen,

1105
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: and then beat Jessica Penne, Valerie Laturno, Claudia Gadelia, kaly

1106
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Nikovo Keevich and then Jessica Androge all back to back

1107
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: to back to back to back like that, that single

1108
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: push to go fourteen and oh ultimately before losing to

1109
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: Rose twice and whatever, that's the best championship campaign that

1110
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: any fighter has from beginning to end. But to be

1111
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: a two time champion in the way that she has

1112
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: to go and avenge the losses and then make sure

1113
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: make sure that there was more to it in the end, right,

1114
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: having to beat you know, having Rose, having to beat

1115
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: her two times like that, that would to me go

1116
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: and tell you that she was not only the best

1117
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: of her contemporaries, but to the extent that she couldn't

1118
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: get the win against Esparza, it's because she was still

1119
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: too early in her game and now that she is

1120
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: much more veteran or much more of a veteran fighter

1121
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: along with Asparsa, they're a level of time in the

1122
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: game has sort of even oubt in that sense. It

1123
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: would tell you that she is the best straweight of

1124
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: all time. But do you agree that Yowanna still has

1125
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: that single push campaign and because it was a single

1126
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: campaign again up to fourteen and oh that's why it

1127
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: sort of captures the imagination of people.

1128
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, but I think you have to instantly

1129
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: either be told or recognize again, she lost twice to

1130
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: Rose and good he won by stopping, So I.

1131
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Have at Aldo twice. Max does not have the record

1132
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: at featherweight that Aldo does.

1133
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: It's dependent upon situation, no question about it. But in

1134
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: this situation, I think Rose is already there. A win

1135
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: here would certainly cement that despite how you know, romantic

1136
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: that Joanna run was and how dominant it was and

1137
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: well not dominant, but like you know, I mean there

1138
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: were close fights down the stretch. But you get my point, Luke,

1139
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: are we overlooking the spars at all? Like I'm trying

1140
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 3: to hammer home that.

1141
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: Yes we are, we are, because here's the thing. Think

1142
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: about something here, If a Sparza wins, not only does

1143
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: she get two wins of a Rose nom a units

1144
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: and not like again didn't get it like once she

1145
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: was early and then again still early, she would get

1146
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: a very developed version of Rose at this point, so

1147
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't say there is like neophyte Jitters or whatever.

1148
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: There's another question here, would she be the unlikeliest two

1149
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: time champ in UFC history? You can be a Nico

1150
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Montagno and get the title and then I'll get it again,

1151
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: or you know, Connor gmcgregor never defended it or whatever,

1152
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: But to be a two time champion in the UFC,

1153
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: that's no bullshit. That's that's very very difficult to do.

1154
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: And if she wins on Saturday, she will be one.

1155
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: Would she be the unlikeliest?

1156
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I in a lot of ways, you know. I

1157
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: felt that when when GDR in the rematch with Amanda

1158
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: Nunas had some good moments, I started to think that

1159
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 3: same question related to her, you know, But in this case,

1160
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: I think that would be right. And obviously the big

1161
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: selling point on that, not just the two wins over Rows,

1162
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: which is historically massive, is how far apart in years

1163
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen for the first one twenty twenty two for

1164
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: the second one, but that six seven year gap, Luke

1165
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: is so much more magnified in the growth of the

1166
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: sport in you know, and like I say, it's it's

1167
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like sad in a weird

1168
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: way to see like Claude, Dea and Carolina sort of

1169
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: slowly exit from that original group of strawways which populated

1170
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: that Ultimate Fighter season and then made that division the

1171
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: great division it is now. But as far as has

1172
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: lingered and gotten better, and there's a lot of sort

1173
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: of silent redemption for her own case at stake because Luke,

1174
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: as much as you know, we look back and say

1175
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: great win over Rows in twenty fourteen, just as you mentioned,

1176
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: it was such an early, incomplete version of her and

1177
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: it was the first damn title fight in the division's history,

1178
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 3: and it was on a fight night for Ultimate Fighter

1179
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: and a damn you know theater. I was there that night,

1180
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: first UFC fight I ever attended. But man, dude, are

1181
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: those two different eras in so many ways, so so

1182
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: much at stake in this one. I think I just

1183
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: got double excited for it.

1184
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, yeah, I'll say this again. I go back

1185
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: to like, who do I think of as like the

1186
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: in terms of the narrative parallels of their career, Tim Sylvia,

1187
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: Tim Silvia was not expected to beat Rico Rodriguez and

1188
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: then obviously he had the you know, he the ped

1189
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: issue whatever and had to go and reclaim it and

1190
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: then did against Andrea Orlovsky. Dude, people shit all over

1191
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: Tim Silvia as being yeah, he's big, but he's awkward

1192
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But here's the difference for MEBC.

1193
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Tim Silvia beat chumps do. He

1194
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: fought the toughest guys that he could, and he beat

1195
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: some really good fighters along the way, no doubt about it.

1196
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: But dude, we're talking about women's strawweight here. Now. Granted,

1197
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: you can say that she got Rose to get the

1198
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: title the first time before Rose was really fully put together. Fine,

1199
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: but this is my point. As good as tim Silvia's

1200
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: win over Arlovsky was to reclaim the title, as far

1201
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: as of beating Noma Yunis, to me would be actually

1202
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: more difficult than that. That would actually be a harder

1203
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: road to go down, and that would be I gotta

1204
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: tell you, that would be a significant accomplishment for people

1205
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: who got for a fighter who just got left by

1206
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: the wayside by media, probably by fans who in a

1207
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: degree this to me would be actually more impressive than

1208
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: what Tim did.

1209
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we don't look we have never looked at her.

1210
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: To be fair here too, let's be fair to Carlos Sparza. Well,

1211
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 3: let's be honest. After losing the title in her first

1212
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: defense to Yuanna, I don't think we ever really thought

1213
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: of her as an elite an elite fighter again a

1214
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: good to very good ups and downs moments. But it

1215
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: took this win streak, which by the way, started with

1216
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 3: a bunch of tough split decision wins for us to

1217
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 3: go oh shit. And then you know the most recent one,

1218
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: Luke when she when she got the big finish and

1219
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: was so aggressive on the ground. That's the full circle

1220
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 3: sort of you know, evolved Carla Sparza. But the thing

1221
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: about that makes this particular turnaround unique is that I

1222
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: don't think we ever consistently looked at her as that,

1223
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: And that's why we started to, you know, unfairly or

1224
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: fairly nudge her into that conversation of least assuming champions

1225
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: in UFC history. It's not quite Randy Coture coming back

1226
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: when we looked when it looked like his career was over,

1227
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: and knocking down Tim Sylvia and wenting back the heavyweight title.

1228
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: But it's close. It's pretty damn close. Look if she

1229
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: pulls us.

1230
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: Off, yeah, I mean, just to remind folks that we

1231
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: can move on here, but just to remind him. This

1232
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: is the wind streak she is on Carlas Sparza. She

1233
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: decisioned Virna Jenji Roba. She decisioned Alexa Grasso. Now she

1234
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: had two splits, but she won them both against Michelle

1235
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Waterson and then Marina Hadriguez. You're like, Okay, it's all

1236
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of decisions, right. But then to BC's point,

1237
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: she fought Jan chau Nan in her last fight and

1238
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: t Kotor inside of two rounds, getting a performance of

1239
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: the night bonus. Also, her fight against Grasso was a

1240
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: fight of the night bonus. Dude, she has turned it

1241
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: the fuck around. Yeah. She lost to Random Marcos in

1242
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Her losing to Random Marcos today is unfathomable. Unfathomable.

1243
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: You could not you would never pick.

1244
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: I think mark Random Marcos is under five hundred right

1245
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: now to be fair.

1246
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, right now, Brandon, there is still the Tazi

1247
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: on a Suarez boogieman sitting out there to Suarez t Koder.

1248
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: But she's the name for so long. I don't even

1249
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: know what to say about that.

1250
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like Luke, you'll agree with this at at

1251
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 3: Flyway Women's Flyway, where the where the pool is much

1252
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: much more shallow. Dude. Sometimes you're one good goodwin, not great.

1253
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're one good win away from fighting Valentina because

1254
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: you know there's no one else that's new.

1255
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: Dude.

1256
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: She had beat Marina Rodriguez and yeah, you know shoun

1257
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: On and Waterston and by the way she finished showing on,

1258
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Hadrigaz is somebody who's being groomed

1259
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: for maybe the next title shot. So this is this

1260
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: is not something she stumbled into because she lingered or

1261
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: she has a name, dude. She freaking earned this, you know,

1262
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: like the hard way. So you know, much respect to

1263
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: the cookie monster, Luke, and and that you know dong

1264
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: shaped cake that she had for her Bachelorrette who by

1265
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: to judge Luke.

1266
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: We got a couple of uh. I did speak to

1267
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: roseam Unis, and we do have a couple of pieces

1268
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: of video I'd like to play for I see you

1269
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: doing your your your dick and ball. It was a

1270
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: weird dick on top of the cake. It didn't look

1271
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: like a dick. It looked like a mushroom house that

1272
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: Keebler Elves lived in. But in any case, but that

1273
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Speaker 1: had like a dick mushroom top. Anyway, ahead, we got

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Speaker 1: a couple of clips. Here we have Rose. It's funny.

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00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: I asked Rose about some of her injuries and she said,

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00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Jessica Androge actually helped her out. Let's play the clip.

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Speaker 4: I can, Uh, I can. My endurance is so much better,

1278
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: my recovery.

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00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: Uh really you know.

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00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll race anybody in the UFC. Let's go.

1281
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: That's interesting. And then the neck problem. I'm curious did

1282
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: the doctor ever look at the neck and be like, yeah,

1283
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: you're better, but like what what would explain? How did it?

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 5: Uh? I, you know, I'd be curious that that's actually

1285
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: I never thought about actually getting it checked out like afterward.

1286
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: But before I had I had a fracture in my

1287
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 5: C six and then I also have had a spinal

1288
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 5: stenosis and it would like make my arm feel weak sometimes,

1289
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 5: like just lifting up my arm uh, it would.

1290
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: I would get these terrible headaches and stuff.

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00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 5: And you know sometimes if I'm wrestling a lot or grappling,

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00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 5: like maybe my neck will get a little bit sore.

1293
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 4: But that's just like muscles, Like, it's not like this

1294
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 4: like terrible headache.

1295
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 5: Like I used to have to put my head in

1296
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 5: the ice bath like backwards just because like my headaches

1297
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 5: would be so bad.

1298
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: And I was leading up.

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00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: To the first fight with her, but afterward, I experienced

1300
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 5: none of those symptoms anymore. And I'm like, so, so

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 5: I should probably I should probably see it see if

1302
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Speaker 5: I still have those problems.

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: That's real wild. The only I remember in the second

1305
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: Gotty Ward fight that Mickey Ward got knocked down an

1306
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: incredible round three, which is only good round of the fight,

1307
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: and he hit his face on the turnbuckle, and he

1308
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: says afterwards that he was knocked out and blinded from

1309
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: the shot, like he couldn't see. He's going on instincts.

1310
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: And then as he's on his feet about to be finished, god,

1311
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: he hit him so flushed with an overhand right that

1312
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 3: it brought back his vision and woke him back up,

1313
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: and he went on to fight the rest of the fight.

1314
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just some old school caveman stuff. But

1315
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: to hear that you got dropped on your head and

1316
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: knocked out and it fixed everything. Luke all right.

1317
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: You know, someone in my I tweeted it, and someone

1318
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: in the comments wrote, because like you know, there's Josh

1319
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: the dentist near which is a very menacing name. Someone said,

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Speaker 1: Jessica the chiropractor Androge. Do you like that nickname or not?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 1: I do like that's pretty good. Lastly we asked, I

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Speaker 1: asked Rose, you know what's changed since the first Carla fight?

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Speaker 1: And we all know there's a lot that's changed, But

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: from Rose's perspective, what has changed. Here's what she said.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I don't have hair anymore. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 4: I will be well one I'll be the champion, you know.

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna be

1329
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 5: like even though she has, like on paper, maybe more

1330
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Speaker 5: fights than me, I don't even know what our records are,

1331
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 5: but I feel as though I have the the more

1332
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 5: depth to the to the experiences as far as like

1333
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 5: just being on the bigger stages, dealing with the media,

1334
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 5: having that pressure on me I feel.

1335
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what she has to go through.

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Speaker 5: I can't walk in her shoes, but I do know

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 5: that there's a total difference between preparing for a five

1338
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: round fight and a three round fight, especially, uh, you know,

1339
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 5: main eventing or co main eventing are really big cards

1340
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 5: and some of the biggest cards that are most memorable cards.

1341
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Speaker 5: So so I think that's probably the hugest difference as

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Speaker 5: far as like the first fight and and I'll take

1343
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 5: it like the first fight that we had was a

1344
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 5: big deal as far as like just it being in

1345
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 5: this historical you know, first strongweight championship title fight, so like,

1346
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 5: you know, she had that experience. But I mean, but

1347
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 5: the experience that I had going into that as opposed

1348
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Speaker 5: to her experience, I mean, it's it's totally different.

1349
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Speaker 1: Now, BC, I want to point out something, Rose, So

1350
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic started what like February or March, whatever you

1351
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: want to say, of twenty twenty, Here's something I didn't realize.

1352
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: Rose namba Unis has never fought at the UFC Apex.

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: All of those fights subsequent to that have all taken

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01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: place in some larger venue. By contrast, Carla Esparza I

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01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: think I think has had the last one Yon Shao Nan.

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Speaker 1: She has fought in the apex. Of course, you know,

1357
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: she fought on a couple of actually one, two, three,

1358
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: four fight night cards only UFC two forty nine in

1359
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty was in Jacksonville, Florida. That was

1360
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Speaker 1: the big return fight. She's right, she has fought in

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Speaker 1: longer bouts against bigger, bigger names in bigger cards. How

1362
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: much of a role does that play?

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Speaker 3: It could The five round experience as opposed to the

1364
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: three is always massive, and it could end up playing

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Speaker 3: a big part and it I just think, look across

1366
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: the board, save for the wrestling. You know, Rightfley Rose

1367
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: is gonna be your betting favorite and somebody who you

1368
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 3: think is gonna be able to figure this fight out.

1369
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 3: They've both grown a ton to get here. I just

1370
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: think Rose has grown more. But you know that that

1371
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: once real big strength to the Cookie Monsters game is

1372
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: still going to be in here. It's still gonna be

1373
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 3: in play, and she's coming off again the most violent

1374
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: sort of next level you know, in terms of explosive

1375
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: performance she's had. So yeah, I think the you could

1376
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: play a role the edge, But they're both battle tests

1377
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 3: had been around. I don't see that being a thing.

1378
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna come down to skill in the end. You'd

1379
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: think which is gonna win this? But uh, you know

1380
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Speaker 3: Rose the farmer pianist, Luke, you know, she's a renaissance

1381
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: woman in Many's my favorite UFC fighter, Luke, I don't care.

1382
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: What is that, right? She's your favorite UFC fighter? Yeah,

1383
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: because she's so she's defrebrol, She's.

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: Vulnerable but strong, you know what I mean. It's like,

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: it's like she just she's the full she's the full

1386
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 3: human experience out right out in the open.

1387
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Speaker 1: And she's disarming too, because dude, she lives a life

1388
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: like if you thought, like, what does a female MMA

1389
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: fighter look and sound like and do on their free time?

1390
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: She seems to be the opposite of what people might

1391
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: expect from that, which tells you about people's perceptions as well.

1392
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: But you know, when when everyone has a certain way

1393
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of not totally similar. Calls her

1394
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: own woman too. But Rose is so opposite of what

1395
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: we understand about what who MMA fighters are, and yet

1396
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: when she gets in the cage, she's a fucking demon.

1397
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: It's it's really quite, it's it's unusual.

1398
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know about Deem. I mean,

1399
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: she's she's just I mean, she's like a to me.

1400
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: She's more of the calculated hit man than the I'm

1401
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: just the way to put it, you know, you know,

1402
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: and in so cerebral like I said, But uh, you

1403
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: know she's also Lithuanian, Luke, so you know that, you know,

1404
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: you could take i'montis staniosis. You could take Brian Campbell,

1405
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: who's fifty percent.

1406
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: Who love staniosis. Bro, Noah loves Saniosi's more than you

1407
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: and his mom. It's unbelievable.

1408
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 3: Look, did you know Paulo Costa tweets a lot of

1409
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: weird stuff. Did you notice this morning he sense changed

1410
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: it that his Twitter banner picture was Dana and Rose

1411
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: went back when she had long hair with her arms

1412
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: around each other in like this awkward post. I don't

1413
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: know what that means.

1414
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't know, he's a he's a different guy.

1415
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand him. Fully.

1416
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got Sean Strickland coming for Rose. A lot

1417
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: of people are tweeting shit, but you know she perseveres

1418
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: loop BC.

1419
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk about topic number three. Which is now Michael

1420
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: Chandler taken on Tony Ferguson. As I said earlier in

1421
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: the week, this might be again the title fights are incredible,

1422
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: but my level of intrigue curiosity, like, what's this all

1423
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna mean? It's a little bit more for this one.

1424
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: So I want to start the conversation with you this way.

1425
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this question, how reputationally costly is

1426
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: a loss here for either Chandler or Ferguson. And then

1427
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: the second part of that is, I guess I would

1428
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: ask who has more to lose here? And I'm gonna

1429
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: set it up in this way. We all know the

1430
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: struggles that Tony has had. Now Chandler has not exactly struggled.

1431
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: He's one and two. He had a great win over Hooker,

1432
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: and he nearly beat Charles Olivera and then he lost

1433
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: to just Engage in a very competitive but you know,

1434
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: ultimately it was a fight that he couldn't get it done. Still,

1435
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: if you have the one and then the three, especially

1436
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: if Ferguson coming off of these losses, what does it

1437
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: say about where Chandler is Ultimately? How do you assess

1438
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: these questions?

1439
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: These questions are a lot more harder to answer than

1440
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: they seem on the surface, right, And it's like, first

1441
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: and foremost, Luke, I'm not excited about this fight. I

1442
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: never liked the match. Really, I don't think they're on

1443
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: the same levels. I look back on this run of

1444
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: punishment that Ferguson's facing, how he's getting worse each fight.

1445
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: It's not just oh Man put on an awesome action

1446
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 3: performance but came up empty. Nothing to doubt there. No,

1447
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 3: it's like one damaging, almost one sided loss after another.

1448
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: For the most part, I think Chandler is much Obviously,

1449
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: I think Chandler's too close to the title picture still

1450
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: to necessarily need this fight. Although in the long run,

1451
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: this could be UFC if they if they, if they

1452
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: believe the same way I feel about this fight, this

1453
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: could be them just sort of cashing Ferguson out one

1454
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: more time in a huge action fight, in pumping Chandler

1455
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: back up. Now that's me. It's assuming Luke, that this

1456
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: will be one sided, and that you know it's almost

1457
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: a waste of a Chandler date. I know you don't

1458
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: agree with that. I know, in fact, you've been saying that.

1459
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: You know your interest is growing, so I almost have

1460
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: to interrupt your question to me spin it back on

1461
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: you and be like, how do you have confidence that

1462
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: Tony can turn back the clock, Because to answer your question,

1463
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 3: how bad of a loss would this be the Chandler,

1464
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 3: I actually don't think it would be that bad because

1465
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: if Tony Ferguson turned back the clock, he's so freaking

1466
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: beloved on almost a Diaz Brother level that I think

1467
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: that would be the prevailing story and we would just go, hey, well,

1468
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: at least Chandler gave us another action fight. But on

1469
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: the flip side, I also think Chandler's playing with house money,

1470
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 3: and those two losses, including one where he had the

1471
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: champion Olivera almost out, I don't think it really hurts him.

1472
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: I think those are like moral wins. So yeah, Chandler

1473
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: has more to gain to get back in the title picture.

1474
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: But Luke, I love Tony too much to watch him

1475
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: take this beating that he's gonna get on Saturday. And

1476
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: that's me being emotional, but you know, talk me off that.

1477
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: Tell me why you think Tony comes back and finds

1478
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: a way to be in this fight.

1479
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Well we're not doing predictions yet, but I'll say this,

1480
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not super optimistic about his chances here. I mean,

1481
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: let's remind folks, he's thirty eight years old. Did you

1482
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: see the UFC two seventy four Countdown show?

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01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 3: Not yet?

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: So he's got like like Tony now has gray in

1485
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: his beard. It's a little bit strange to see because

1486
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: we've always, you know, we've always been a little bit

1487
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: older relative to some of his peers. But he had

1488
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: such a youthful exuberant and he was kind of all

1489
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: over the place, and now you can see, like getting

1490
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: close to forty, a lot of that is changing. I'm

1491
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: just gonna say it's straight up, thirty eight years old,

1492
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't care how good you are is a very

1493
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: difficult place to be at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1494
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: That is not winning conditions flat out. And if people

1495
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: want to bury him after losing to Geigie OLIVERI and

1496
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: Daryush I understand. I would say, if you're adding Chandler

1497
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: to that, then that to me would be the Again.

1498
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: You could decide now that there's full on confirmation that

1499
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: he can't get back what he lost, and I you

1500
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: know that could be true. I'm just saying, if you

1501
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: lose to Chandler, then it's one hundred percent sure. The

1502
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: thing I want to point out is two things. One

1503
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm not ready to one hundred percent

1504
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: say it's you know, this is the end of the

1505
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: road is because I have done that with other fighters,

1506
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: granted different divisions, different circumstances, and then they have proven

1507
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: to be resilient. And not just andre Alovski, There's been

1508
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: some other ones too, where an MMA, you do need

1509
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: to be a little bit careful about saying a guy's

1510
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: day is over before you really have clear, definitive proof.

1511
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I would say. I think. The

1512
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: other thing I would say here is BC And I

1513
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: want to be very clear with the audience too, dude.

1514
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: People need to understand this. Everyone's like, oh, Tony needs

1515
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: to change his training or do this or do that.

1516
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: You need to understand and folks say they understand it,

1517
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: but they need to absorb what it means. This is

1518
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: an extremely violent sport and you can take a loss here,

1519
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: not just this fight, but any fight where it can

1520
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: change you. It can change you as a person. It

1521
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: can change your risk reward calculus, It can change how

1522
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: you view yourself in the sport. It can change your

1523
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 1: desire to compete, and you can be even in denial

1524
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: about it while the changes have already happened. Josh Thompson,

1525
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: in fact, talking about his loss to Tony ferguson how

1526
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: it changed him, and it only took it took a

1527
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: little while before he was really able to fully accept

1528
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: what that meant. And then once he did, he understood

1529
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: what his body was telling him. Dude, he may have

1530
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: been changed against Justin Gaegee. That was an absolutely brutal,

1531
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: brutal beating. And I always bring this example up because

1532
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: it's the one I go back to when Rich Franklin

1533
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of David Luazo. He was not

1534
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: ever the same. He stayed in MMA and he did

1535
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: get some wins later on, but they were on the

1536
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: regional level. Or that guy's not nearly as good like

1537
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: the elite side of him. It was beaten out of

1538
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: him that night by Rich Franklin, like no doubt about it.

1539
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: And Luaso for folks who don't know, David Lasso was

1540
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: fucking awesome, man, he was so good. His win over

1541
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: Evan Tanner is one of the most incredibly brutal displays

1542
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: of elbow slashing against a standing opponent. You will ever

1543
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: see there was a waterfall of blood coming off of

1544
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: Evan Tanner's face, but then he locked horns with Rich Franklin.

1545
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: Rich Franklin took that all away. You need to, like

1546
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: at least ask the question, begin to accept the reality

1547
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: of Chandler goes in there and just dummies him a

1548
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: little bit, which, you know, who knows what will happen,

1549
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: But if he does, there is no denying He got

1550
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: changed that night in Jacksonville and there was no coming

1551
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: back from it. For me, what I want to see

1552
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: is if that was true.

1553
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 3: I actually think it goes deeper, which is why I

1554
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: have this much confidence in almost saying that it's over.

1555
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: You know, maybe you should have him be fighting a

1556
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: Robbie Lawler or a cowboy Seroni type, then Michael Chandler

1557
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 3: and Luke. It's because of this, dude. I think that

1558
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: stretch of the tail end of almost getting into the

1559
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 3: title fight with Habib and then losing it last minute, dude,

1560
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: when he hurt his knee right slipping on the cables

1561
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 3: in the Fox studio ahead of what would have been

1562
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 3: UFC two twenty three, and finally fighting you know Habib,

1563
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 3: he rushed himself back from a serious injury in such

1564
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: absurdly fast time frame, and you know, went through a

1565
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: war against Anthony Pattis and just did everything that was

1566
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: mentally and physically and spiritually possible to just like act

1567
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: as if I'm assuming that the pain was never there

1568
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: and it never happened and the damage wasn't there, so

1569
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 3: that he could double and triple down and go all

1570
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: in and say this is my window. I will not

1571
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 3: miss it. And I think that it's not just enough

1572
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: to say, was that beating he took over four plus

1573
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: rounds nearly five against gay Chee enough to change a career.

1574
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: I think he was already running on fumes heading into

1575
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: that to try to preserve himself for that one big

1576
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 3: opportunity that kept missing out and away. And you add

1577
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: into that, Luke, I'm no psychologist. I don't know the

1578
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: real story, but you know he's going through a very

1579
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: public at that time thing with his wife and the

1580
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: abuse allegedly and the time.

1581
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: He's broken to me.

1582
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 3: Mental health issues that I don't know if all of

1583
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: that was unresolved either. So he was running hard and heavy,

1584
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: you have to assume, and then poured it all out

1585
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: against skat Chee and then lost two more three round

1586
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 3: fights after that against Absolute Hammers, in which he took

1587
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 3: damage and it really wasn't all that competitive. As we

1588
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 3: kept going, there were Houston moments, but really not, Luke, Dude,

1589
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: Chandler's gonna go this. Chandler's a wrong guy. You can

1590
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: talk yourself into the idea of Okay, Chandler's great, but

1591
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 3: you can get him into a war easy. That's gonna

1592
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: be my chance. I don't want to see Tony in

1593
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: a war against him. So it's like hard for me

1594
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 3: to sit her and complain about Tony Ferguson versus Michael

1595
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: Chandler under any given year, because it's not like Chandler's

1596
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 3: a perfect fighter. He's he makes himself too vulnerable because

1597
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 3: he tries to win. But this ain't it, Luke, This

1598
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: ain't the fight. This is not the time. I got bad,

1599
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 3: bad feelings, and that's really muting me getting any level

1600
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 3: of excitement over this. It to be clear, I feel

1601
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 3: the same way about Chamaiah versus Nate, not as starkly because.

1602
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: It's got I don't feel the same way about Chamaiah

1603
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: versus Nate.

1604
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: Nate's got more in the tank, but it's it's in

1605
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 3: the same category of what produces these feelings. Whether you

1606
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 3: want to call me a you know, you know care

1607
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 3: too much about these fighters. All we do is cheer

1608
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: for them to go in there and get fed up

1609
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 3: for our entertainment. But you tend to care too much

1610
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 3: about some of these guys. And I got a bad feeling, Luke.

1611
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. We could be totally wrong.

1612
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: I'll say this, dude. If it's not just if Chandler wins,

1613
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: although that would not that would not be surprising if

1614
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: Chandler won, obviously, but if Chandler like finished him where

1615
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: the referee had to intervene, yeah, that would be bad

1616
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: because you look at his losses. He has the TKO

1617
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: loss to Justin Gatchee, but that was in what is

1618
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: to your point, that was deep into the fifth round

1619
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: before the intervene and maybe they could have gotten there before,

1620
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: but it was a long, brutal fight. I'm talking within

1621
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: a three round fight. For the referee to like, you know,

1622
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: over a guy who just covering up or not all there,

1623
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: that would be that would be bad. But let's let's

1624
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: let's let's challenge our own premises here, what if actually

1625
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson, you know, maybe he doesn't look as fresh

1626
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: as a daisy, but he gets it done. He actually

1627
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: beats Michael Chandler, he actually leg locks him, he chokes

1628
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: him out, or he gets his hand raised in a

1629
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: decision about what would that prove?

1630
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 3: That would be one of those like I mentioned late

1631
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: career Cinderello most renaissance wins where somebody, maybe maybe similar

1632
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 3: to Tito Ortiz against Ryan Bader, would stop the bleeding

1633
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: on another sustained losing streak for an aging fighter. It's

1634
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: like that reminder that I got one more in me

1635
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 3: than at any given night, right. I mean sometimes that

1636
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 3: produces the wrong false confidence to leave someone to linger

1637
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: for too long. But I think luke given, I mean,

1638
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 3: you cannot deny it. Tony Ferguson is beloved rightfully so

1639
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 3: by MMA fans, to the point where anytime, even when

1640
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: he's acting straight up crazy, when he's in front of

1641
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 3: a microphone out of press conference, people are going fan favorite,

1642
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, shit crazy. It would be romantically a giant,

1643
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 3: giant thing for him, But again it would also open

1644
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 3: the door to even bigger challenges. I think the best

1645
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 3: case scenario as a Tony fan and I am one,

1646
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: is he turns back the clock here and gets a

1647
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: win and then he fights conn McGregor in a pay

1648
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: per view.

1649
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: H right, Okay, Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting.

1650
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if Connor would want that, but I

1651
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: guess if Tony looked good.

1652
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh, Connor would that he would look at Tony as

1653
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: someone who absorbs heavy damage, which is the perfect type

1654
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: of opponent that Connor wants to fight.

1655
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: That's true, that's fair, all right. But for Michael Chandler,

1656
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: let's say he goes in there and just dust Tony.

1657
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: Are people gonna say, well, Tony was finished? And what

1658
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: does this really mean? Your two wins over Hooker and Ferguson,

1659
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: your two losses were too uh let's see it was

1660
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: it was Gee Chee and Olavera. So it's like you

1661
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: beat the two guys who were older and kind of

1662
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: out of it, and you lost to the two guys

1663
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: who were kind of younger and with it. Would there

1664
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: be what would the story for Michael Chandler if he

1665
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: goes too and two in his four UFC fights and

1666
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: beats Ferguson all the weekend it would have to.

1667
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 3: Be that you subscribe to my theory that he's got

1668
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 3: so much money in the bank quote unquote in terms

1669
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 3: of the look, he's done everything that a UFC matchmaker

1670
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: or Dana White would want right signs with the company instantly,

1671
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: didn't go to Abu Dhabi to be like the backup

1672
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 3: of a fight and cut way forward. I mean, he's

1673
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: just been bout it about it Chewbacca style, as Luke

1674
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: Thomas would say, and I think he knows it. And

1675
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 3: I interviewed him, I think you're gonna throw it sound

1676
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 3: in a minute or two. But like I think he

1677
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 3: knows that he knows, like he says, you know, here

1678
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 3: for a good time, not a long time. But a

1679
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: win just kind of holds serve in my opinion, and

1680
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: leaves him right in the title picture. But Luke, does

1681
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 3: that mean he has to go through Islam Mahachev to

1682
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 3: get back into that title picture? What does the future

1683
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: bring with a win here in your in your in

1684
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 3: your case.

1685
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it gives him another fight against the top

1686
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: three or four guy, That's what I think. I don't

1687
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: think it does a whole lot more than that, because

1688
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: a lost put him firmly outside the top five in

1689
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: terms of what kind of competition he would get next

1690
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: in all likelihood.

1691
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 3: I mean, look, have you ever seen two have you

1692
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 3: ever seen two losses on the super elite level Oliver

1693
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: for the title and Gae Chee in the fight of

1694
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: the year that have ever been this much like victories

1695
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 3: in a way like, I don't. I don't hold those

1696
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,799
Speaker 3: against him at all, do you? Because some people are like, oh, Chandler,

1697
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: this Chandler, No Chandler, this Chanidler almost finished the Dame

1698
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: champion in round one. He was like that close.

1699
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hold it against him unless he loses to

1700
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: Ferguson and then the body of work together, You're like,

1701
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: that would be a problem. That would be a problem,

1702
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: all right. So we you asked him actually about the

1703
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 1: strength of the division in the lay of the land.

1704
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

1705
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what.

1706
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, you back, you back someone into a corner, that's

1707
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 7: when that's when they really come out fighting. So I

1708
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 7: think Tony Ferguson, he's prime and ready for maybe a resurgence.

1709
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 7: I think Tony Tony still feels like you know, in

1710
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 7: his mind, he's still one of the top guys and

1711
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 7: you always got to remember, you know, you're fighting the

1712
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 7: toughest guys on.

1713
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 6: The planet at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1714
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,879
Speaker 7: So you lose a couple of fights, it's not because

1715
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 7: you've necessarily lost a step.

1716
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 6: It's not indicative of losing a step.

1717
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 7: It's it's indicative of the strength of schedule and how

1718
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 7: tough these fights are in the.

1719
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 6: Top of the division in the UFC.

1720
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 7: So you know, look at myself, I've got two losses

1721
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 7: in a row, but I lost to the two guys

1722
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 7: that are fighting for a title just two fights after me.

1723
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: Fair point, not fair point, not wrong there, not at all,

1724
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: though there is a will there. Do you not notice

1725
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: Like in boxing, people are much more likely to be like, eh,

1726
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: so and so is washed, rather than oh, this is

1727
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: strength of this division, like it's just how it goes.

1728
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. Chandler is right, like

1729
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: this is a fucking meat grinder times a thousand. But

1730
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: there is also this a little bit of unwillingness in

1731
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: MMA to acknowledge when a guy is getting older and

1732
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,440
Speaker 1: being shopworn.

1733
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 3: Yes, and again Ferguson's getting older and being shopworn. Timeline,

1734
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 3: I think is so sped up by the damage he's

1735
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: willing to entail all the time. But also look, he's

1736
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 3: you know, Ferguson's riding on not just air rash confidence,

1737
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: but like next fricking level irrational confidence to where he's

1738
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 3: willing to and bring on the paint in a fight

1739
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 3: like you know, like Chandler did a degree, but like

1740
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: take on damage and fight back. That dude, that's not

1741
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: a sustainable model at all.

1742
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Now to your point, also, what happens

1743
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: if Chandler wins. Let's say he gets this win and

1744
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: looks good doing it, whatever that means, where would he

1745
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: go next? Chandler had some ideas. Here's what he told me.

1746
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 6: See, it's a good question, you know.

1747
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 7: Obviously number one goal is is whoever gets me to

1748
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 7: the title? You know, I think running it back with

1749
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 7: Charles Olivera, running it back with Justin Gaechee, especially with

1750
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 7: title implications on the line, connor the with for the

1751
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 7: the magnitude of it. It's not the red painting at

1752
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 7: it. It's not the money I want. I want a huge

1753
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 7: fight in the most amount of eyeballs. And there's a

1754
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 7: couple other guys with huge names and huge reach inside

1755
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 7: the sport, Diez Poorier, Masvidal Covington. I know some of

1756
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 7: these guys are welterweights. I am by no means a

1757
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 7: small lightweight, Nor do I like to make one fifty five.

1758
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 7: It takes me about twelve weeks of perfect diet and

1759
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 7: I'm about tired of it.

1760
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 6: But all of those are huge fights, and big fights.

1761
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: Sounds about right. The guy is still trying to get

1762
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: just the biggest fights closest to the title possible. What

1763
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: if he wins, do they feed Michael Chandler to Connor McGregor.

1764
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 3: It's in play, I think. Also my opinion, a Mahachev

1765
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 3: monster fight for a real number one contender would be

1766
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 3: in play. Could you argue that he I don't think

1767
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 3: he cuts the line on Islam under any circumstance, although Luke,

1768
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: let me put it to you like this, because he's

1769
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 3: been such a model employee, right like I'm here to

1770
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 3: tell you, Michael, like listen to the interview. Go to

1771
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. You can't find a

1772
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: Michael Chandler interview, including mine with him where you don't

1773
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 3: come out of there going. Man, I'm inspired to like

1774
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: run through that door because of this guy. Dude, he's

1775
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: like the model citizen as a fighter. He goes all

1776
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 3: action and brings it gets still in the context of

1777
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: trying to win, and obviously to his employer, he's everything

1778
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 3: the UFC wants. Could they reward that, Luke if let's say,

1779
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 3: Charlie Alive's is out there and finishes Gaycheet like he does,

1780
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 3: That's what he does, right, Could they give a victorious

1781
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: Chandler to him next, under the auspices that the first

1782
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: fight was so great and Chandler almost finished him in

1783
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: the first round to become champion and make Islam do

1784
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 3: one more, you know, run on this ladder? Is that possible?

1785
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting, it's injured, and I'm not chaing.

1786
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting here trying to argue for it for Chandler.

1787
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, UFC rewards those who act a certain way.

1788
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it could be in play, as could

1789
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 3: potentially Connorn. Seriously, but at this point, if it's not

1790
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: going to be Nate Connor against any of these action guys,

1791
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: could be it. But Luke one name. He did mention

1792
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 3: there that we never talk about, Okay, Dustin Pourier versus

1793
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 3: Michael Chandler.

1794
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: Fucking a fucking a. I mean, forget about it. I

1795
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: would love to see that fight. That's a hell of

1796
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 1: a contest. So we'll see how this is why this

1797
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: fight to me is extremely intriguing. Man, there's a lot

1798
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: of who's coming, who's going here, and what this is

1799
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: all gonna mean. So we'll see, all right, But.

1800
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 3: Are they are they going on their feet or on

1801
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 3: a stretcher? Luke, that's the fear.

1802
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that is the fear. Fair enough, all right? We

1803
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: have two more fights on the main card. They're fun

1804
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: and one of them is really fun as a matter

1805
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: of fact, but they're a little bit different. So you've

1806
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: got at light heavyweight, the rematch that I don't know

1807
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: if anyone asked for, but Shogun who versus ovin Saint

1808
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: Prue Saint Prue back down at light heavyweight after something

1809
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: of a misadventure at heavyweight. And then you have Donald

1810
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Soerrony certainly on the last legs of his career against

1811
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Joe Lozan, who's been off for some time, I believe,

1812
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: because I think he just didn't want to take fights

1813
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: if he didn't really find something super interesting. Yeah, he

1814
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: hasn't fought since twenty nineteen, so it's been a long

1815
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: time for him. All right, BC, question for you of Shogun, Osp, Serny,

1816
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: and Losan of those four names, who is most likely

1817
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: to retire off of a loss?

1818
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 3: Wow? Interesting swerve there. I thought you're gonna go a

1819
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 3: different way. Who's most likely to retire after a law?

1820
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,839
Speaker 1: So let me just give you a bit here showgun

1821
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: Hua is I mean, just long in the motherfucking tooth.

1822
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: He's forty if you can believe that. Okay, Osp thirty nine,

1823
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: he'll be forty in uh No, she just turned thirty

1824
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: nine in April eighth. Serrony he is thirty nine. He

1825
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: just turned thirty nine. And then Joel is on thirty seven.

1826
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: He'll be thirty eight in just about a week or two.

1827
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: So we're talking about guys who are at the very

1828
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: very very ends of their run. To me, it is

1829
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: not at all inconceivable that one or two could potentially

1830
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: retire if the loss is bad.

1831
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in some ways, both of these matchups

1832
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 3: are perfect for that wheel of death or whatever idea.

1833
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: I had one of the segments of like a elite

1834
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 3: loser leaves town match, so we can say goodbye to legends,

1835
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 3: and then when they lose, they have to retire for

1836
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: at least a year and they put their gloves down

1837
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 3: and we love them on the way out. All four

1838
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 3: would be great. All four could retire, win or lose.

1839
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 3: I think it's probably gonna be lows On if he loses,

1840
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: only because he's been so distant from the game and

1841
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 3: focused on coaching, so it's not like, you know, there's

1842
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 3: huge opportunities awaiting him. Although he's still he always getting

1843
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 3: this sort of like Matt Brown Jim Miller type, you know,

1844
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 3: journeyman legend love, which I like that he's getting. And look,

1845
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: this is a decent matchmaking as sloppy as it could be,

1846
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: or two old guys. But I'll tell you what, it's

1847
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: not gonna be Showgun Luke. They're gonna have to remove

1848
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 3: him from there because he's just that type of dude.

1849
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: Plus you look back at Showgun's run to get here, Dude,

1850
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot more wins than losses. Like he's still

1851
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 3: almost in our Lawsky way, but different, like really credible

1852
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 3: against middle of the road competition and tough as shit,

1853
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 3: even though he's taken on so much damage through the years.

1854
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 3: Osp I think can linger a lot as well, because

1855
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 3: he can always go back to heavyweight if he wants

1856
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,839
Speaker 3: to just keep being a body. Low's on the sneaky

1857
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: good pick. But what about Serny Luke?

1858
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: What about I don't know what he's hanging on to

1859
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, the guy's career has been

1860
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: fucking legendary, but it's just a real rough stretch that

1861
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: he's on. He hasn't won a fight since beating ali

1862
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: A Quinta in May of twenty nineteen, since then losing

1863
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: to Tony, losing to Justin, losing to com, losing to Pettis,

1864
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: he had the Nico Price fight, which was a little

1865
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: bit weird, and then he had the Morono fight. In

1866
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: the Mornal fight, he got stopped inside of a round.

1867
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: That's the one. It's like, dude, you lose to Tony

1868
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, well, okay, he lost to Justin Gage

1869
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Okay, and Connor Connor was doing his

1870
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: thing or whatever one seventy. You can say whatever you want,

1871
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: but more and no inside of a round. I mean,

1872
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: that's not a guy he ever would have lost to

1873
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: in like twenty.

1874
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: Fifteen or something, and one he's losing, like against Connor,

1875
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, he's losing badly, Luke. So here's the deal.

1876
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 3: It's obviously more likely that that Cowboy just as one

1877
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 3: of those guys again that lingers on and fights for

1878
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 3: whoever will let him and maybe even goes down the

1879
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 3: BKFC food chain for all we know. He's that type

1880
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: of dude, right, He's about making money and being in

1881
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 3: fun fights. Is there any chance UFC does this thing

1882
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 3: that they almost never do, which is like go up

1883
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: to a legend ahead of time before he gets too

1884
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 3: dark and too late, and say, here, here's your last

1885
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: fight if you if you win, go out on a

1886
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 3: win here, and we'll give you one of those Matt

1887
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 3: Hughes Forrest Griffin, you know, Chuck Ladell behind the scenes jobs,

1888
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: because we freaking love you. You're an ambassador for everything

1889
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 3: that the UFC has been about. You know, we don't

1890
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 3: care if you work it. We're making enough money again

1891
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 3: these days just to you know, live on your ranch.

1892
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 3: That's fine. Is there any chance that could be in

1893
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 3: play here, Luke? Because the end is going to be

1894
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 3: bad for Cowboy.

1895
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: But didn't you know, how didn't they didn't they kill

1896
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: off all those jobs.

1897
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 3: They did except for Force Griffin. Who does you know,

1898
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 3: it's like the representative.

1899
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: He actually does work. He actually he has a key

1900
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: card and he shows up and ship. You know.

1901
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're saying there's no chance here, then it's

1902
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 3: not going to be SERRONI.

1903
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, I just felt like what you could do

1904
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: with Serrony was some of the stuff they did with

1905
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: BJ Penn or even Michael Bisbee and Cup Swanson where

1906
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: they could open up a UFC gym and then like

1907
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: co brand it, so like the Donald Serny UFC Gym

1908
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: of Albuquerque or you know what, whatever place he's well,

1909
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it would just you would just get royalties

1910
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: from having your likeness used and stuff like that. It

1911
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to actually go manage the gym. But that

1912
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: kind of thing is possible. But like you know, cowboys,

1913
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: a free fucking spirit man. He's got his own ranch,

1914
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: he's got his own life. He lives by his the march.

1915
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: He marches to the beat of his own drum. I

1916
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: just don't think that the Forced Griffin plan could work.

1917
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: You could, you could, you could use some of that

1918
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: like this and whatnot for the things but not that

1919
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: the lows on one is interesting to me because I

1920
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: don't think he has a Serony future. But I just

1921
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 1: want to say, if this is the end of the

1922
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: line for Donald Seroney, you know who knows what happens

1923
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Dude. He was just an absolute blast when

1924
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 1: he was around. He won, he lost, But listen to this.

1925
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: He had, let's see, ready for this, he had Knockout

1926
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the Night against Jens Pulver UFC sixty three September of

1927
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I watched that fight out of

1928
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Hooters in Richmond, Virginia. I remember that quite distinctly. Then

1929
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: he had five the Night against Kenny Floorian, Submission to

1930
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: Night against Jeremy Stevens, Fire the Night against Sam Stout,

1931
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Submission of the Night against gab Rudeger, Fight of the

1932
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Night against George south Ropolis, Submission of the Night against

1933
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: Kurt Warburton, we had a triangle and Kimora at the

1934
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: same time, Submission of the Night against Melvin Gallard, submission

1935
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: and Fire the Night against Jamie Varner, Fire the Night

1936
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: against Jim Miller, Fight of the Night against Jim Miller,

1937
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: sorry twice, and then Performance of the Night against Diego

1938
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: Sanchez at UFC two hundred. This guy win or loss,

1939
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was like Chris Litle in the sense

1940
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: of I'm just gonna go out there and fight kind

1941
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 1: of balls out, although Lato was a little bit more

1942
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, open and striking, but in terms of the

1943
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: grappling side of things or just you know, hard charging forward,

1944
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Losan has been fucking fun to cover, man, And I

1945
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen on Saturday, but to your point,

1946
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of been disconnected from the fight side of the

1947
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: game for a while as a competitor. If he hangs

1948
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: it up, man, what a fun career this dude had

1949
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: in maximized. I think you know what he had to

1950
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: offer along the way really much.

1951
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 3: Joe Loan that whole time, I think you said Cowboy

1952
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 3: when you started that.

1953
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: No no, no, this was I was. I was switching.

1954
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Losan's getting that Jim Miller love that I talked

1955
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 3: about rightfully so and I think he deserves it. And

1956
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 3: he's always been a guy who goes after the finishes,

1957
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and obviously we know Cowboys' legacy and all.

1958
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 3: And by the way, if Cowboy loses here, Luke owen

1959
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 3: six with a no contest in his last seven, so

1960
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could keep promoting him. And

1961
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: that's why I want him to kind of walk away

1962
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 3: with a win rather than go face somebody else and

1963
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 3: get sent to hell. But Lozan is one of those

1964
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: guys that slipped through the cracks, that has that you

1965
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,879
Speaker 3: know o G persona from him and won big fights

1966
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 3: in his run as well. Could really get over that

1967
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 3: hurdle and be a true, you know, title contender that

1968
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: closes in. But uh, I like this matchmaking in that regard.

1969
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by this fight, but you know, let's see

1970
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: what happened. We don't need Chowgun versus osp too though,

1971
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 3: I mean, what, you know, what are we doing?

1972
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Dude? Shogun hasn't fought since

1973
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty when he lost to Paul Craig,

1974
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: which is, you know, fine, Paul Craig is underrated. I

1975
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: think that's fair to say. And before that, he did

1976
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: have a win against Little Nog in July of twenty twenty,

1977
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: but Little Nog was on his fucking last legs.

1978
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 3: And never was it never was elite, to be fair, I.

1979
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: Don't think that's quite right. But in any event, he

1980
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: had to draw up to Paul Craig before that. Then

1981
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: the then the win over Tyson Pedro. Pedro has been

1982
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: out for a long time, just came back to those

1983
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: nict win for him. He got demolished by Anthony Smith.

1984
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is like a I mean, I

1985
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: don't want to disrespect osp because he is dangerous. I'm

1986
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: not saying it's as dangerous as like an It's not

1987
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: as dangerous as getting a guy who's like inside the

1988
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: top fifteen in their prime. We can play with, dude.

1989
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: Can we just say this Shogun Hua has taken a

1990
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: fucking a li alarming amount of damage in his career,

1991
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: and it honestly worries me that he is still fighting.

1992
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: Okay, let's not even talk about pre UFC. Okay, let's

1993
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 3: not even talk about that. The damage he took in

1994
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: that John Jones fight alone, which is only round and

1995
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 3: a half whatever, was just like in a title in

1996
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: a title transaction, We've seen like one strike knockouts, right,

1997
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 3: but in terms of sustained beatings where somebody kicked the

1998
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 3: shit out of the other person, Jones Hua was like

1999
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 3: on a different level. It was just wow. And he

2000
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 3: had the two wars with dan Endo. Okay, those those

2001
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 3: three fights alone, Luke could end someone's run. But how

2002
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 3: about all those other fights, and when you're running through

2003
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 3: his Wikipedia going over the recent fights again, there's way

2004
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: more wins than losses, which has allowed him to keep

2005
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 3: lingering because his chin's still ridiculous. And obviously he's, you know,

2006
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 3: old guy wildly enough even at forty to be a

2007
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 3: tough out and can surprise younger guys. But dude, I

2008
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: mean that's not even counting everything else he went through Luke.

2009
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 3: I mean, just god, this guy's a war.

2010
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: The knee surgery, and the thing is, the thing is,

2011
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm not people missed the argument about, like, yes, sometimes

2012
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: you can be so damaged and so shop worn that

2013
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: you can't win anymore, at least against the lead opposition.

2014
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: But Tony Ferguson is fighting Michael Chandler. Michael Chandler still

2015
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: at the very top of the rankings, are pretty close

2016
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: to it. OSP is not, and so I'm not saying

2017
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: that Shogun can't win this fight or won't win this fight.

2018
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: That's not my argument. But my argument is I don't

2019
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: know that he will, it's it's iffy at best, and moreover, like, dude,

2020
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: even if he can win, it's not the point. The

2021
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: fucking damage overall he has absorbed to his body you

2022
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: mentioned though, I mean, forget about the second Henderson fight

2023
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: where he lost the first three rounds of the first

2024
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Henderson fight. He dude, I cannot believe he mounted a

2025
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: comeback in the fourth and the fifth, and Shogun did

2026
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: because he's fucking Shogun. And you can see the pictures here,

2027
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: but that alone was like I was watching that fight

2028
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: through my fingers. I gotta say, man, I really really

2029
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: hope if this is not the end for Showgun, it

2030
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: does come soon, because the next stage of his life,

2031
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna have that bill for all the damage he

2032
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: took here. It's gonna come do next. And I really

2033
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: hope he saved his money and he has some because

2034
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, some guys genuinely worried for his health.

2035
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 3: Some guys that just never comes fully due. They're just

2036
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 3: built differently. In this class of Brazilians that came all

2037
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 3: around the same time through Pride and then UFC. I mean,

2038
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 3: they're just different, dude, from you know, a big from

2039
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 3: the Nogs to freaking you know, Vonderlay Like, dude, these

2040
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 3: guys are just I mean, you know, it's like so

2041
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 3: in one sense, it's like you want to celebrate Showgun

2042
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 3: one more time, and this is a very winnable fight,

2043
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: there's no question about it. But look, even in some

2044
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 3: of these wins against journeymen or B level guys, he's

2045
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 3: taking heavy damage and route to winning it, he's leading

2046
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 3: with his chin as his last remaining elite skill to

2047
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 3: sort of like hang around and find ways to beat

2048
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:41,520
Speaker 3: these guys.

2049
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, there's there's simply no denying. And for osp

2050
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's had a good he's had a good career.

2051
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: This is you know, we'll see how it goes from here.

2052
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: If he gets to win, he'll have two wins over Showgun.

2053
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,879
Speaker 1: But just as a reminder to everyone, Shogun, who uh,

2054
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: whatever you see from him on Saturday, I don't know

2055
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be, but he had probably Folks, there's

2056
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: so many tournaments in MMA over so many years. Shogun,

2057
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 1: who was two thousand and five were on to the

2058
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: Middleweight prior Tournament, which is their version of two they

2059
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: called Middleweight two oh five, their version of that. Him

2060
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: doing that is probably the best push through a tournament

2061
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,919
Speaker 1: in all of MMA history. It was absolutely true glory.

2062
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: But BC, it was two thousand, motherfucking five. We're now

2063
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two.

2064
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 3: Dude, this is such a badass. I mean, let's not

2065
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 3: forget that he got robbed against Ma Cheeta and then

2066
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 3: came out knocked him the hell out, Luke.

2067
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yeah, quickly at that.

2068
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so damn, this guy's for real. By the way,

2069
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 3: OSP loves US fraternities even more than you, Luke.

2070
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Okay, black fraternities though, he's a cue dog.

2071
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 3: Look, why does it have to be a race or

2072
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: color thing.

2073
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: It's a black fraternity. It's not they like, that's who

2074
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: it's four. It's they're at HBCUs typically and they're four

2075
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: black students, which fine, but that's that's what they're four.

2076
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. Do black fraternities have any members?

2077
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, But I.

2078
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 3: Don't think that's the point. I think there's a there's

2079
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 3: a line that's been drawn on the sand of this

2080
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 3: earth for a long time, and there's those who need

2081
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 3: fraternities in their life to make them Luke.

2082
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 8: And then there's tell me about the excellence of your

2083
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 8: college experience, and I did it so much better. And

2084
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 8: then there became the Champagne of beers in the forest

2085
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 8: and then masturbating quietly in the back car while you cry.

2086
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 3: Some as well. Some of that is true, some some

2087
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 3: parts of that story is true. But the point is

2088
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 3: those who were willing to walk on the other side

2089
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 3: of that line and walk it alone. Okay, you know

2090
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

2091
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: If you see osp you tell him that he was

2092
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: an idiot for joining his fraternity. You do that.

2093
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 3: I'll tell him this, Luke, I'll tell him I was

2094
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 3: in the same one that we were.

2095
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, dogs, all right, Last, but not least, we

2096
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: see we do have, of course, have the prelim card

2097
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: UFC two seventy four has Let's see how many are

2098
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: on this f and thing. I think it's the standard amount.

2099
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Four of course on the ESPN preliminary card, and then one, two, three, four,

2100
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: five six on the early early prelims BC. I'll give

2101
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: it to you. First. Tell me which preliminary FI most

2102
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: interest you and why I.

2103
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Don't like love the rest of this card. I'm sure

2104
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 3: there's ones that are super great, No, and I'm sure

2105
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 3: there's ones that are gonna surprise me and all that.

2106
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 3: But you know, in terms of the lay of the land,

2107
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 3: now it's like, okay, but I gotta look at that

2108
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 3: flyway bout we talked about the other day, prelimbs Brandon

2109
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 3: roy Val versus match Nell. It's I mean, it's just

2110
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Speaker 3: becoming where every top five or six, seven, top ten

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Speaker 3: fight here is just is just a banger at a

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Speaker 3: high speed. So let's see between these two who can

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01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,440
Speaker 3: make the next statement here and get closer. Maybe eventually

2114
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 3: the champion and the former champ will will finish their

2115
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 3: four four fight rivalry. KK France is coming on. I

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01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 3: want to give Askarov a chance to rebook. There's all

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Speaker 3: killers around them. But Luke, Brandon Royval has has been

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Speaker 3: a guy who I've seen as a future title contender,

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Speaker 3: as somebody who if he can just put it together.

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Speaker 3: And he's now twenty nine now, and I know he's

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01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 3: lost two of his last three and I know the

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01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 3: win against Bontarine was my split decision. All that was

2123
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 3: a really fun fight in January. But Luke, he does

2124
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 3: want to win over kay Kara Frantz, and I think

2125
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 3: he has the goods if he can put it together

2126
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Speaker 3: and this is going to be a very tough fight

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Speaker 3: for him against Snell. So I'm very much looking forward

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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that one is the number one one on my radar.

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01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: I think Schnell is very very good. He had the

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Speaker 1: loss to Bonserine, but then Bontene Pop, so he's turned

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01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: to a no contest, so tently he's not coming off

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01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: of a loss, and in general his late campaign has

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01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: been pretty good. He beat Tyson, Nam, Jordan Espinosa, Lewis, Smolka, Nalki,

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01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,759
Speaker 1: in Away, Marco Beltanon. He did lose to Pantojo, but okay,

2136
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Pantoj is super tough and super super good. So this

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01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: will kind of tell us exactly not who's coming, who's going,

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01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: but you know who's who's probably more likely to make

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01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: something of a high ranked potentially even title push in

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01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: the future. I love and by the way, all Action

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01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: fighters too. We know Rouvial will take a lot of risks,

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01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: but Schnell has really cleaned up his game. He's done,

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01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: He's done really good job of improving. I would also say,

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01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 1: BC the fair.

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01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Side, I want you to leave this too quickly if

2146
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 3: you don't mind one thing about Royville Luke and I

2147
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 3: say that it's him. He hasn't figured out though, how

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01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: to not be fighting for the fans all the time

2149
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 3: and how to fight for himself. And he's very honest

2150
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 3: with that in post fight interviews about man. All I

2151
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: do is fight for you guys and push the pace.

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01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 3: But the judges, you know, in this case, didn't recognize it.

2153
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 3: I know he's been stopped twice by those elite names

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01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 3: you mentioned, but Royval has a complete game, he's got

2155
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 3: a sick motor, he's violent. I just think Luke, he's

2156
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 3: got to figure out how to mix his pitches up

2157
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 3: a little bit more so to speak. And if he does,

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01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: he could be back in here against these guys that

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01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 3: he's won and lost to, lost to moreno beat France.

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Speaker 3: I think he competes on the same level with both

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Speaker 3: of those guys. Moving forward, He's got to win here.

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01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: BC our friends over at Caesar's Sportsbook, they have Rouville

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01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: as a minus two sixty Schnell as a plus two ten. Agree.

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01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, I'd say it.

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Speaker 1: I think Schnell is a little bit more. I mean

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01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 1: plus two ten is pretty close. But I do think

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01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: that Schnell has real upset potential here if reuveal is

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: such a difficult scrambler to keep up with, but if

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01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: Schnell can find a way to slow the fight down

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01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: and put Rouval at the end of his jab, which

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01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,759
Speaker 1: again much easier said than done, but it does seem possible.

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01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: These four guys talented as Schnell, that's a winnable fight.

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01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Royvil's going to to your point, he's going to really tighten.

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01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: You don't want to lose what makes you you, but

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01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: you also don't want to give fights away that are

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01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: much more winnable than the otherwise would be, especially against

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Speaker 1: the guy as technical as Schnell. If this fight is

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01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: looking kind of ordered and segmented and whatnot, this is

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01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: a Schnell fight. If it's all over the place and

2180
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, he's gonna catch a guillotine probably somewhere

2181
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: for Brendan Reuville. So really, the complexion of this fight,

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01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: I think, is going to tell you a lot about

2183
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: the ultimate ultimate what happens. Also BC one more Francisco

2184
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: Tronaldo Walter Waite taken on Danny Robbers, Dude Trinaldo as

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01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: old as Balls forty three. That motherfucker is your age,

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01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and he's won four of his last five. The only

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01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: one he lost was to Muslim Salakov. Back in twenty

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01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,799
Speaker 1: twenty one, he beat Dwight Grant, Jai Herbert, John mcdesi,

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01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: and folks forget this, he beat Bobby Green back in

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01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,799
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Here he is back in action and taking

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01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: on Danny Roberts. Danny Roberts a good fighter thirty four

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01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: years old, himself on a two fight win streak over

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01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: Zilliam Imadaiev and then Ramazine Ramazan. Excuse me emive, although

2194
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: we got the last one by split decision, does have

2195
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: losses to Claudio Silva and Michelle Paeda that this one

2196
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: should be all action, dude, Massa Randuba heavy handed, as

2197
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: experienced as they come. Nothing shakes him good on the ground,

2198
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: obviously a heavy puncher. Your level of excitement for this one.

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Speaker 3: Uh great. I think the thing that separates us forty

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01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 3: three year olds is certainly the quality of our liver.

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01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 3: But Trinaldo Roberts at Welterwait has great potential to be

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01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: a fun fight. But just the same. Luke for Randy

2203
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 3: Brown and Chaos Williams in the same division up there

2204
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 3: on the middle prelimbs. You talk about losing to Michelle

2205
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 3: Pededa Kaos Williams, that's his only loss in like a

2206
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 3: ten fight stretch. So yeah, I mean these got a

2207
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 3: lot of opportunities for people to make their name on

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01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 3: this night, Luke, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Better beware Trinaldo and Roberts. According to Caesar Sportsbook, minus

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01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: one ten either way. So they've got it as a

2211
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: dead fucking even fight.

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01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 3: What the hell's is our live fight companions showre gonna

2213
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 3: look like, Luke.

2214
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:06,719
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be stupid.

2215
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that's usually our our baseline. All right,

2216
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 3: let's speed it up because I got this guy coming.

2217
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:13,639
Speaker 1: Seems so wrong.

2218
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 3: I got a broken window. I got this guy coming

2219
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 3: to fix it. We got to speed through. Hey, look,

2220
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 3: let's go to some fan subs. You ready for this?

2221
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 3: All right? Morning Combat at gmail dot com is the

2222
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 3: email address. It's you wearing tight T shirts. It's called

2223
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 3: fan submissions.

2224
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Fan subs.

2225
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 3: You've got mail, fans and viewers. All right, this one's

2226
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,799
Speaker 3: from Kevin. Hi Dogs, It's Kevin from Maryland.

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01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Here.

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01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 3: I broke out a Vinyl printer this weekend and made

2229
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 3: some MK themed stickers. They may or may not be

2230
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 3: suggestive of something.

2231
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,759
Speaker 1: Dude, Wow, those look awesome.

2232
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there should be a deck of cards with that

2233
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 3: logo on their RJ and our merch store.

2234
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Right, although are the fists parallel? Are they?

2235
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 3: Are the fists supposed to be ash cheeks spreading for

2236
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 3: the for the butthole, for the sphincter.

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01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: You know what, I hadn't thought of that, and now

2238
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: you have said it, and now I really hope you

2239
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: get fired.

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01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not me, it's Kevin who gets fired.

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01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 6: You know.

2242
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 3: I all live another day, hope hopefully. Maybe I'm Patreon,

2243
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 3: maybe I'm OnlyFans Luke with some other former UFC.

2244
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 1: It is okay, aside from the butthole, you know, comparison,

2245
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: I do like the spirited craftsmanship of it all.

2246
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: Okay, a future truth of Trivia question, who's the only

2247
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 3: former UFC champion to have only fans account Luke? We'll

2248
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 3: answer that on our paid version so we can't get fired.

2249
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Look this from Richard including a video or photo, so

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01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 3: y'all can choose if you like. Thanks MK team. A

2251
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 3: few days late, but I just came up from Alexandria

2252
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 3: and ran the Brooklyn Half Marathon. I got a gentleman's

2253
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 3: time of one fifty one forty nine. Can I listen

2254
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 3: to music to keep my hype up? Cannibal Corpse, Sweet Caroline,

2255
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 3: Daddy Jank Nope, none of that. I was entertained by

2256
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 3: the Jeffa of MMA, the Donk of Donks, the Patreon

2257
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 3: of Pantera, the Luke Thomas and his Belatore two seventy

2258
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 3: nine post coverage show. Luke, the same show that you

2259
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 3: complained probably was only heard by six people that had

2260
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 3: a living pulse. This guy Ryan ran the Brooklyn half

2261
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,719
Speaker 3: Marathon listening to your bullshit.

2262
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Wow, oh I thought he ran a full marathon in

2263
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,560
Speaker 1: sub two hours. I was like, no fuck? Was he

2264
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: wearing jet packs to do that? Okay? Half marathon's pretty good? Still?

2265
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done there, Okay, thank you. Well there's a picture.

2266
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 3: Here we go in the Brooklyn half Marathon.

2267
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 9: A gentleman's an hour, fifty one minutes and forty nine seconds. Yeah,

2268
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 9: I got hyped up. Not listen to music, Nope, not

2269
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 9: Cannibal Quarks, not Sweet Caroline, not Daddy Yanky. Seventy nine

2270
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 9: wrap up with the Donna Donks, the Hefe of MMA,

2271
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 9: Luke Thomas Morning Combat.

2272
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Well this tough guy apparently, right, dude, that was awesome.

2273
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 1: That guy is the best.

2274
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 3: Jeffy of m m A.

2275
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: I preferred my pronounce.

2276
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 3: Shout out to you, Ryan, thank you for representing us.

2277
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 3: This from Danger Mouse. Wow, he's back at it. Didn't

2278
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: Luke say my pulp fiction Sam Jackson meme was a

2279
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 3: bit harsh. Then he sent that guy to hell on

2280
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 3: Dead Wrong. It's commemorated here. Top quality entertainment, by the way. Yeah,

2281
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 3: people loving, Yeah, you killing people?

2282
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: Uh?

2283
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 3: These Dead wrongers for the Marines crack.

2284
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: I know it's like, dude, on some level, do you

2285
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 1: guys just trust that I did actually serve and that

2286
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: I might have a vague awareness of these things. It's

2287
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 1: just you can't believe that people just don't totally disrespect

2288
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 1: your life.

2289
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 3: From here on out, we joined bretton Ariel. It's okay

2290
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 3: as song as you're willing to say the right answer.

2291
01:43:59,160 --> 01:43:59,719
Speaker 1: But I'm trying.

2292
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 3: I'll see Luke. This from Adam. I think there's a

2293
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 3: second one here from Danger Mouse. Maybe he says this

2294
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 3: is the mood of the chat room last week. That's true,

2295
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 3: that is true.

2296
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed our fans. I don't know if they

2297
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: love boxing so much.

2298
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 3: They'll learn to love it, just like me. They've learned

2299
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 3: to love me, Luke, after the initial hate that everybody

2300
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 3: goes through when they're like, why would Luke sell his

2301
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 3: whole career to this piece of dipshit? This from Adam,

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01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 3: We got a lot of atoms. I know that Luke

2303
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 3: was under the weather, but he should know that reading

2304
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 3: is fundamental. Had he read the instructions for those free

2305
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 3: COVID at home tests or watch the instructional video, he

2306
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 3: would have known he didn't need to scratch his brain

2307
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 3: with the swab, and that he needed to keep the

2308
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 3: testing apparatus on a flat surface instead of holding it

2309
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 3: up for the camera. Still enjoyed the bit. Thank Luke

2310
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 3: for getting out of bed and yelling at the camera

2311
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 3: for our pleasure while he was sick. Yeah, Luke, apparently

2312
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 3: we led you down the wrong road and that was

2313
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 3: deep up your h It's all rage.

2314
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I had. I don't know what the right

2315
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: answer was, but I'd take another test and they were

2316
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: all negative as well. But dude, that cold was fucking terrible. Man.

2317
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:07,639
Speaker 3: I'm glad you came out.

2318
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 1: I had, I told you, I had. I blew my

2319
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: nose yesterday and I had a yogurty substance that was

2320
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: heavy come out of my face that was covered in

2321
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 1: blood and brown mucus. It was terrible, I know.

2322
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 3: And you were like, you want me to text you

2323
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 3: a picture of it.

2324
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,600
Speaker 1: It was like, I did take a picture of it

2325
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: for you.

2326
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Yes, you got video of your wife giving birth to

2327
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 3: Can we watch that? I mean, it's just like not

2328
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 3: in fact, I do, yes, oh boy, I mean it's

2329
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 3: probably it's a it's a beautiful thing. Look it is.

2330
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 3: I just we don't need to see it though.

2331
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: It looks like a crime scene. It looks like a

2332
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 1: cannibal corpse cover is what it looks like. It really does, dude.

2333
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 3: And they don't like clean it up right away. They

2334
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 3: just like linger and they leave you in there and.

2335
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: There's blood and there's blood and afterbirth shit. Every doctor

2336
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: stands up after delivering the baby who looks like she

2337
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: was like sprayed with a hose of blood.

2338
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're like, I'm out, good, nice, nice meeting you.

2339
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.

2340
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 3: And then they're just left there. You know. It's great,

2341
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 3: all right? This from Tom Hey, Luke and BC. I

2342
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 3: found the original photo of when you guys got together

2343
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 3: for the first time. There was something in the air

2344
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 3: chairs from Dublin. All right, that's.

2345
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's extremely good. But I don't understand why

2346
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: there's hair on your beard that grew like a rat

2347
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: tail on your face.

2348
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 3: I think I'm too old to even get the me

2349
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 3: I kind of loosely get the meme.

2350
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: It's what's her face? It's uh, it's it's machine gun

2351
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,799
Speaker 1: Foxer and Megan Fox.

2352
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't they drink each other's blood or in general?

2353
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Apparently when they met, he rolls up in a cloud

2354
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: of smoke whatever stupid ass party they were at, and

2355
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: she goes, you smell like weed, And this motherfucker's line

2356
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: apparently to get his DS which worked, was I am weed,

2357
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 1: which would only work if you're rich and already famous

2358
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: if any other person tried it. That is on par

2359
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 1: with American pies. Suck me Beautiful, that's what that is.

2360
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's next level there, that's a lot. You got

2361
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,799
Speaker 3: a lot of balls to pull that one off. Finally,

2362
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 3: this is our boy JP from from French Canadia. Good

2363
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 3: day Jens. JP back to congratulate you folks on the

2364
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 3: new MK Ultra channel. But more importantly, it's the first

2365
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 3: sponsor certainly long overdue. It's BC has finally broken through

2366
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 3: with Walgreens just for bitch ass men. Hair dye is

2367
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 3: this shoe polish? Fuck it, let it, let's roll this

2368
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 3: pandit mk Ultra formula will take you from zero to

2369
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 3: hero as you attempt to die the dirty old bitch

2370
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 3: from your right off your head. All the best lifelong

2371
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:36,799
Speaker 3: fan from Unike Nova Scotia, Canada or Mount Unike unikai Yanaki.

2372
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 3: It's jp BC's long lost French Canadian cousin.

2373
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:40,799
Speaker 6: Wow.

2374
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: Well, I like how the tube says BD. It's like

2375
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: bitch if you have hair dye going into your head,

2376
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,640
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of bde motherfucker.

2377
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna stop dying it Luke. My wife

2378
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 3: wants she likes it died. You know, she doesn't like

2379
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 3: having an old man.

2380
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: But this is why I'm already hear the curve. I

2381
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: just let it go and never worried. Now that is

2382
01:47:59,400 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: just how I look.

2383
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're you know you change by not changing

2384
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 3: at all. It doesn't mean you're cool, you know what

2385
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 3: I mean?

2386
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,760
Speaker 1: You just you just I don't listen, I don't say

2387
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm cool. But here's the difference between you and me.

2388
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't now have to have a sudden drop off.

2389
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had a slow degradation and I now

2390
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 1: look like shit. But what I'm trying to point out

2391
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 1: is it's not gonna be like one show or all

2392
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I just look like a completely different person,

2393
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 1: whereas you have been maintaining a very false, uh false identity.

2394
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 3: Well, don't forget what Todd Grisham claims Bruce Buffer told

2395
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 3: him when Todd also made the same decision to let

2396
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 3: the silver Flocks fly.

2397
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Bruce said, uh, silver flocks.

2398
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Bruce said, the women like it. So you know the

2399
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 3: thing is, Luke, I'm a one woman man, so uh yeah,

2400
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. But there you go. All right to close, Luke.

2401
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 3: It is May the Fourth, So may the Fourth be

2402
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 3: with you in All Star Wars Nerds out here, Does

2403
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 3: this make me look like a Jahua, Luke? Or is

2404
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 3: it a.

2405
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: Uh that shoe polish in your hair makes you look

2406
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: like a Jawa?

2407
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 3: All right? I do look like an episode for New

2408
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 3: Hope tattooed sand person.

2409
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,759
Speaker 1: I'd say you look less like and more like Obi

2410
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: wan Kenobi on a bender of sadness.

2411
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 3: There we go the original drug rug Master all but

2412
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 3: ben all right, Luke, So I have created due to

2413
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 3: it are both combined love of Star Wars but hatred

2414
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,520
Speaker 3: of the things about Star Wars that suck, like episodes

2415
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 3: eight and nine, George Lucas in general and how he

2416
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 3: stole from from uh from Dune and you know, the

2417
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 3: Trade Federation basically, So, Luke, I've come up with here

2418
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 3: my top five coolest Star Wars characters of all time

2419
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 3: and top five lamest Star Wars characters of all time.

2420
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 3: Which one do you want first?

2421
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: I want lamest?

2422
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 3: Okay, top five lamest characters of all time. You're just gonna,

2423
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 3: you know, tell me what you think if I'm right

2424
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 3: or wrong. Honorable mentioned, Honorable mentioned for worst character of

2425
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 3: all time old asked Luke from episodes eight and nine. Right,

2426
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 3: just an old bitch?

2427
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, so that but that version not Luke Skywalker generally, no.

2428
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 3: That version, and the other honorable mention for for lamess

2429
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 3: is young ass Luke Skywalker from episodes four and five.

2430
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 3: That guy's a young bitch too. Really, I can't.

2431
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: Believe that George Lucas decided to make the hero of

2432
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: the show and the movie or the series or whatever.

2433
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: A whiney asshole. He's such a whiny dick bag is

2434
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: All these other people don't whind but the fucking hero does.

2435
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: Fuck that guy.

2436
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 3: Well, there's five more lamer than him. Here we go.

2437
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 3: Number five lameous character in Star Wars history, Luke, the

2438
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 3: viceroy of the Trade Federation Nuke Gunray. That guy sucks Luke.

2439
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gunray. I was glad when he when all those

2440
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: bitch asses got murdered, I was like about time.

2441
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 3: They were dirty. Behind the scenes. They were basically like

2442
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 3: selling out Jesus, you know, for for some some gold Luke, Okay,

2443
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I didn't like that.

2444
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 6: It was.

2445
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 3: Also his buddy Rune Hako of the But number four Luke,

2446
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 3: the head of the Gungans Boss Nast. That guy sucks Luke.

2447
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was hoping he would drown or have a

2448
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: frog heart attack or whatever the fuck was going on.

2449
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: But he lived, and I didn't like it.

2450
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:04,640
Speaker 3: Uh Number three Luke also from the same stretch of movies, Watto,

2451
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:06,560
Speaker 3: the salesman.

2452
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 1: In the in the uh ah, that guy who's talking

2453
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: like that.

2454
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Been the jedis around here. Yeah, I guess the worse.

2455
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: This guy is a literal slave owner and they've turned

2456
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 1: him into like sort of a dark salesman, Like, what

2457
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 1: the fuck is this?

2458
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 3: Number two probably the one most people hate, jar Jar Binks,

2459
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 3: Luke of Gungan fame, but you know, I do want

2460
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 3: to give him a shout out. He was a war hero.

2461
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 3: They just made him a really lame senator who got

2462
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 3: duped by Palpatine time and time again.

2463
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: After that, dude, jar Jar Binks should have been skinned

2464
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: alive and then burned. Fuck him all right.

2465
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 3: And the lamest character in Star Wars history Number one, Luke.

2466
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 3: It's Prevader Anakin from episodes two and three, the full bodied,

2467
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 3: you know version of him, who's just I mean, how

2468
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 3: did how did Padme go for that ship?

2469
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 5: Luke?

2470
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,719
Speaker 1: Dude? Padme is a dumbass, clearly a fucking idiot. Who

2471
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, just letting that douchebag plant his filthy seed

2472
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: in her? What is wrong with her? Seriously? Yeah, it's like,

2473
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 1: just go ahead and bang Billy Ray Cyrus while you're

2474
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: at it, you fucking idiot. And that's the first thing

2475
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 1: I would say. And second thing, it's like, Wow, I

2476
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: see where Luke Skywalker gets it from because Anakin was

2477
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 1: a fucking ho fuck Anakin.

2478
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you really are. Number Here we go, Luke,

2479
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 3: here's on the flip side. That's how five coolest of

2480
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 3: all time honorable mentioned the blind samurai Jedi from Rogue one.

2481
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:34,799
Speaker 3: His name is Charue Emway.

2482
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, cool forces with me or whatever. He said

2483
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: something like.

2484
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,759
Speaker 3: That exactly episodes four through six. Darth Vader.

2485
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: That's number four.

2486
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 3: No, he's honorable mentioned and Lando Calrisian right, that's decent, okay, but.

2487
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: All of those are all of those are just on.

2488
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: You better have some cool ass Star Wars.

2489
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 3: The fifth coolest character, number five in Star Wars history,

2490
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 3: Darth Maul. Nobody got a worse sort of like intro

2491
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 3: and exit. I know he read he came Back Alive

2492
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 3: on like some cartoon that I don't watch, and I won't, Luke,

2493
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 3: because I'm about those movies. But uh, that guy was

2494
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 3: so badass and they just buried him.

2495
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: I know. Everyone's like, you gotta go read the comic books.

2496
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, actually I don't. I'm an adult. So

2497
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: end of that, all right?

2498
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 3: Look, Number four coolest of all time, also from the

2499
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 3: same movie, Dude Qui gon Jin was a badass, and

2500
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 3: he also wasn't about that You.

2501
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: Put dude, Darth Maul fucking murdered Qui gon Jin and

2502
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 1: you put him ahead.

2503
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I do, dude. Qui gon was cool. He was

2504
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 3: willing to break Jedi rules because he knew Anakin was

2505
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 3: really the one Luke and the next thing. He knew

2506
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: somehow subconsciously that Anakin needed to spawn Luke, who was

2507
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 3: the real, the hope and savior Luke. Qui gon was

2508
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 3: pretty damn cool. Seriously, you don't like Liam Neeson.

2509
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: Qui gon Jin was a bitch?

2510
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 3: No, okay, No, First of all, he wasn't a bit.

2511
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 3: He stood up to Yoda. Second of all, I guarantee

2512
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 3: you they didn't show up. But but he banged Anakin's mom.

2513
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 3: I guarantee you, like I ge't, dude. He was like

2514
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 3: he was moving right into that kitchen, like he was

2515
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 3: ready to take over that house. You know what I mean?

2516
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 3: He was coming on. Okay, number three, coolest of all time, Luke,

2517
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 3: tell me if I'm wrong on this placement, Chewbacca.

2518
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Listen, you got him on the top three. I can't

2519
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: complain too much. He'd be higher on my list, but

2520
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,560
Speaker 1: everybody knows Chewbacca is the lynchpin that holds the resistance

2521
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: together what anybody else tells you.

2522
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 3: And you know, he doesn't really have too many lame moments.

2523
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:31,639
Speaker 3: And that was a problem with like any of George

2524
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 3: Lucas character, you might like in some form, inevitably, he'll

2525
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 3: make him lame and you'll hate him. But what was

2526
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 3: Chewbacca's lamest move there really wasn't any. Dude, he growl

2527
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 3: at people, he drank.

2528
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 1: The lamest thing was when we thought he died in

2529
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: the last one and then they're like, oh, Chewbacca's just back,

2530
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: But that's not a Chewbacca thing. That was just the

2531
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 1: story writers, dude.

2532
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 3: He also stood by Yoda when all the Jedis got

2533
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 3: murdered for Order sixty six and they had to hide.

2534
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 3: He was like Yoda's right hand man during that stretch.

2535
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the Wookie planet, the dude, the Wookies

2536
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 1: in general. Just great.

2537
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 3: Kashik, Yeah, fantastic, all right.

2538
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 1: Number two.

2539
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 3: Coolest character in Star Wars lineage history Han Solo, the

2540
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 3: original Luke. He shot first. I saw it.

2541
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: The guy's absolutely I think Han Solo I would have

2542
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: Chewbacco above him, but that's just a personal thing. I

2543
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 1: can get down with that. I can get down.

2544
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 3: He's like the cool, badass drug user who inevitably in

2545
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 3: the end joins the religion and cleans up. But the

2546
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 3: road to get there was fun and spectacular, Like, yeah,

2547
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 3: he became a pseudo Jedi, and he married a Jedi

2548
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 3: and he he he provided sperm to create a you

2549
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 3: know that absolute dick. Oh how did I not? You

2550
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 3: know what? Luke, who's the guy, the the bad guy

2551
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 3: in seven through nine?

2552
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: The nerd, the Kylo Wren.

2553
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 3: I didn't think he deserved top five worst. I think

2554
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 3: there's some redeemable parts about Kylo.

2555
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: So I see Kylo Wren in episode seven was top

2556
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 1: five worst, but by episode eight or nine he kind

2557
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 1: of turned it around a little bit.

2558
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that.

2559
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 3: So Luke, no one's ever been cooler at any given

2560
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 3: point in the history of Star Wars. My number one

2561
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:10,880
Speaker 3: pick episode six Black Suited Jedi Luke Skywalker. I mean

2562
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 3: what he did to Jaba and the way he swiftly

2563
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 3: navigated that, Luke, And then you know, come on, Luke,

2564
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 3: all time, the coolest, the best, he is what we

2565
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 3: should aspire to be Luke. He was a bitch before

2566
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 3: and he damn right turned into a bitch after. But

2567
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 3: in that in that sweet Spot window, Luke he was.

2568
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 3: He was like Mick Jagger. I mean it was incredible.

2569
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I agree he was. And when he shows up to

2570
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 1: Java's place and then he just fucking runs the show,

2571
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty incredible. I would have had Vader from Rogue

2572
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:40,080
Speaker 1: one probably a little higher.

2573
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

2574
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: Because he I was a real daddy's home kind of

2575
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: moment in that movie.

2576
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 3: Vader from four and five too, Dude, four and five

2577
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Vaders absolute badass.

2578
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just yeah, he's especially in four. I agree

2579
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: with that one as well. You didn't have Yoda on

2580
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the list, which I'm a little bit worried about. And

2581
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 1: you also didn't have who was the guy who worked

2582
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: for uh? In the Han Solo movie. There was the

2583
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:07,120
Speaker 1: guy whose face would kind of light up. What was

2584
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 1: what was his name?

2585
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 3: I forgot who you're referencing here. I did see that twice.

2586
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 3: I like that movie.

2587
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 1: The guy he was the guy who So Han Solo's

2588
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: a girl from Karellia and she was like his servant

2589
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, Karellia whatever the name was.

2590
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't, I'm Darth Maul.

2591
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: He was. He was not so bad. He was kind

2592
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 1: of cool, all right.

2593
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 3: Who was the first one you said that? That's not justified?

2594
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 3: Oh Yoda. Here's the deal on Yoda. Dude, Yoda's polarizing

2595
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 3: to me, Like, yeah, he's cool and he's a legend,

2596
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 3: and you know he kept the Jedis alive and you

2597
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 3: know he had a blind spottied Wait, is he the

2598
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 3: one that saw Anakin coming? Yeah, he knew Anakin was

2599
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 3: gonna be a problem. He was ahead of that guy.

2600
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 1: He was the first one ringing the alarm bells.

2601
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 3: But I don't love episode five. Old guy Yoda about

2602
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 3: to die doing funny tricks on Luke like other people do.

2603
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 3: And I almost walked out of the theater at the

2604
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 3: end of episode two when he picked up the sword

2605
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 3: and went Mono I mono with with Count Dooku. They're like, dude,

2606
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 3: that's just not happening. I'm sorry. Like, Yoda is the smaller.

2607
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 3: You underestimate him. You know, God, he's not going head

2608
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 3: to head in a lightsaber battle with a killer like

2609
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 3: like that dude who had the crooked ass penis shape

2610
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 3: thing and had the Jedi training, end of Sith training together, Luke, No,

2611
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 3: one's he's not beating that guy right there.

2612
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 1: He's like, I never thought about that. They probably gave

2613
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 1: him that that Jedi the lightsaber. And I was crooked,

2614
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 1: being like, we know why you want this one. You left,

2615
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:30,840
Speaker 1: dicked ass wipe.

2616
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 3: But like, Luke, I remember people stood up and were

2617
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 3: cheering during that Lifesaver battle. Dude, I was like, this

2618
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 3: is such bullshit.

2619
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. My friends saw the movie first and I was like,

2620
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 1: how was it? And they're like, dude, you got to

2621
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 1: see this fucking Yoda lightsaber battle. It's fucking unbelievable. I'm like,

2622
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: did he win there? Like not really?

2623
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, friend, all right, I'll tell you that

2624
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 3: one low t friend right there. So so I think

2625
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 3: he's polarizing, but you know, maybe I missed a few

2626
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 3: cool ones there, but I think I nailed it. Thank

2627
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:02,000
Speaker 3: you nailed it a lot in the Cloud City. Look,

2628
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 3: he could have been top five, but it is what

2629
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 3: it is, okay.

2630
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,120
Speaker 1: I would also say I would also say, one thing

2631
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 1: you missed was the Lando played by the young Lando

2632
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: Yes in the Han Solo movie Stole the.

2633
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 3: Shows absolute badass. Yeah.

2634
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 1: Also on the lamest characters. I think three Po is

2635
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 1: kind of a bitch. I don't know R two D

2636
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 1: two is about it about it cee three PO is

2637
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of a fucking in the rear with the gear.

2638
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean there was a there's a reason

2639
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 3: why they'd turned that computer off every once in a while, right,

2640
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 3: or just put him in the backpack and just carry

2641
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 3: him through. Yeah yeah, I'm with you on that.

2642
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Thank you very all right. Uh So there you have it,

2643
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 1: a full on UFC extravaganza here on a Wednesday. Show

2644
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2645
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2646
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 1: take a car, but I'm gonna take a train to

2647
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: the north. We're gonna be in studio the next three

2648
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2649
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2650
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2651
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2657
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2658
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,120
Speaker 3: Look, this is a huge week for combat sports. We

2659
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 3: gave it to you a UFC two seventy four today,

2660
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 3: but Friday's episode's gonna be absolutely bad ass. We make

2661
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:25,879
Speaker 3: our picks for UFC. We preview Friday evenings bellatorcard from Paris.

2662
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 3: We also set the stage for Canelo Alvarez, Dmitri Bevall

2663
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 3: the rich get richer. Luke, what a time to be

2664
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 3: alive fun combat sports. This weekend, we're gonna have you

2665
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 3: covered all the way through a live two seventy four

2666
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 3: fight companion. More details to come. As Luke mentioned YouTube

2667
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 3: dot com slash Morning Combat, we got great interviews out there,

2668
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 3: so check them out right now, including as well Kayla

2669
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 3: Harrison with Luke, Juliana Pina with myself, So if you

2670
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 3: miss those, check those out. Can't wait, Luke. The stuff

2671
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 3: that we're filming that we can't talk about is going

2672
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 3: to be incredible in the long term. But even in

2673
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,400
Speaker 3: the short term, dude, we're gonna be hitting your hard

2674
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 3: on a loaded weekend. I'm ready. I'm just so jacked up.

2675
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 3: This is believable.

2676
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 1: Chris is a really, really big one for the show,

2677
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: so please be on the lookout. We'll talk to you guys, well,

2678
02:01:05,960 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you pretty soon, but we'll definitely talk

2679
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 1: to you guys live on Friday in studio. So for

2680
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Malka for CBS Sports, for Brian Campbell for showtime, I'm

2681
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. We'll see you guys in a bit, and

2682
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 1: until then, may all of your gains be loyal.