WEBVTT - Jason Dufner 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.360 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.600 Claude Harmon. This week the second major of the twenty 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.400 twenty five season, the PGA Championship, which will be held 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.000 at Quail Hollow, And this week on the podcast, Jason 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.520 Duffner the twenty thirteen PGA champion. He won that at 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.239 Oak Hill, lost in a playoff in twenty eleven. A 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.640 King in Bradley in Atlanta, got his high at six 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.680 in the world rankings back in twenty twelve, was on 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.760 the Ryder Cup team in twelve, President's Cup team in thirteen, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.280 And Jason Duffner back in the day was an elite 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.320 ball striker. He had a beautiful golf swing. He's a 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.760 thinker about the game of golf. He's a student about 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.720 the game of golf. So really cool to have him 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.400 on to talk about what it takes to win and 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.360 his career. But before that, our friends at Cober Golf 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.360 have their four new drivers out, the DS Adapt Drivers, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.840 four models to fit every golfer, paired with future Fit 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.600 thirty three which offers thirty three unique lie and lost 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.120 settings to find your ideal ballflight, minimize your man maximize 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.160 your distance and dial in your game. You can head 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.520 over to cobragolf dot com to check out their new 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.200 driver models. It went straight in my bag. Love it, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.560 love the way it looks. Go check it out. But 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.440 it's a major week and getting an opportunity to talk 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.000 to a major champion like Jason Duffer really really cool 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.160 and like I said, he's a student of the game 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.520 and he talks a lot about kind of how he 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.000 thinks about golf. And this is a good one. So 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.840 sit back and enjoy listening to Jason Duffner. Doff, you 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.319 turned pro in twenty four twenty year career on the 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.040 PGA Tour. When you look back at when you started, 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.959 excluding all of the noise off the golf course, now 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.320 with professional golf and all the live stuff, what do 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.320 you think has changed about the game since you turn pro? 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.199 Back and oh, for the. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.120 Most yeah, I think the thing that comes to the 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.040 front of my mind is the speed. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.279 Right, It's crazy. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.600 So speed to me was never a skill when I 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:58.280 first started. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:01:59.640 So you had it or did Yeah? 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.320 I turned prone two thousand, so twenty four years. I 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.960 played nineteen years on the tour of fifteen or more events, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.400 and speed wasn't a skill. Now guys had speed, but 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.919 nobody trained for it. Nobody thought about it. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.200 You're either guys like DJ would come out Roy and 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:16.960 you just go, where is this coming? 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:17.359 Right? 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.000 And now speed has become a skill, and I would 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.400 say it's become probably the most dominant skill in the game. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.040 And what I mean by that is you. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.760 Can train for speed, you can gain it quickly. You know, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.120 if you're in a certain age group, you can pick 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.640 up ten miles an hour club at speed pretty quick, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.400 and that can propel you to being able to play 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.280 at a high level. As long as you know how 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.920 to play the game a little bit, you're competitive. But 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.680 I also think it's taken away from a little bit 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.760 of the game and the skill set in the game. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.440 So I would say I see guys that have speed, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.240 but as an all around player, maybe not as polished 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.639 as what maybe I needed when I first started. And 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.480 the other thing is is the skills that I needed 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.440 to play on tour and to play well on tour, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.560 they took me a long time to acquire. I had 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.240 to do a lot of my own practice. I had 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.840 to do a lot of research, trial and error. Right, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.000 That's another thing that's changed. When I first started playing golf, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.320 and when I first got on tour, it was a 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.600 lot of trial and error. You didn't have track Man's 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.960 you didn't have the three D technology that we have now. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.360 In teaching, nobody really explored strength and conditioning as it 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:31.040 related to. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.680 Golf right or golf specific. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.760 Tiger came along around the same time, and he was training, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.760 but it wasn't golf it. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.520 Right, so he just got jacked and big and I 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:43.559 would argue. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.960 To a point and we could go back and forth 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.520 that the game's a little bit easier now than it was. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.320 My dad says that. My dad always says. It's interesting. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.600 He said when he played the tour, he said, every 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.760 poor five, my dad played with a weak rip and 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.120 need a fade. But he said, every single par five 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.640 he played when he played on the PG or he'd 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.680 strengthened his grip, try and hit a big sling hook. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.680 I think one of the other things stuff that I've 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.520 noticed that's changed, Like you said, you can just kind 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.600 of have one shot now, and I think, really, to me, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.400 it was Jordan's speed. When Jordan came out, everybody was like, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.520 he's gonna have to change the grip, He's gonna have 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.159 to change a lot of the stuff, you know, the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.520 finger off. When Jordan started to have the success he had, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.840 I thought one of the main reasons he had that 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.919 success is he was one of these new breed of 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.560 players that said, no, no, this is what I do. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.600 I did this in college, and I am just going 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.080 to keep doing what I do and not maybe make 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.520 a lot of the changes you mentioned launch monitor technology. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.480 How much do you think the change from four when 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.200 you came on tour technology across the board threw everything 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.159 from club fitting launch moner technology. I think you you're 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.920 a student of the game, and I think you were 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.240 one of the first players that I was really around 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.640 that kind of got the track man numbers and it 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.080 worked in your head. When I was working with Ricky, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.719 you'd come up and you guys would play and you'd say, hey, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.200 can I just rather than go out and work on 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.839 your golf swing, you would say, hey, can I get 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.880 on a launch monitor? Because you were looking at the numbers? 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.880 And do you now have you in the past stuff 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:21.000 used the numbers is a guide for what you're trying 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:21.720 to feel. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.279 I think I use the track Man more than anything 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.359 now for equipment fit. Right, So I look at a 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.680 lot of the ball data, the club data, I can 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.080 easily manipulate, and that doesn't mean I'm doing it the 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:37.680 right way. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:38.279 Right. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.919 As you know in the teaching industry, tour players have 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.240 this special ability to put the sweet spot on the 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.120 ball some way, somehow. That's their special talent. That's what 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.560 makes tour players two players. Right, So we see all 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.719 these different swings you mentioned Jordan Speeth. We could go 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.680 down the list, Like if you looked at the top 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.280 fifty guys in the world, not all of them have 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.440 like mechanically fununctional swings like that, you would say that's ideal. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.279 But they can put the sweet spot on the golf ball, right. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.640 So you know, I can change the numbers of the 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.000 club data, but I use the track man and the 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:18.160 information mainly for equipment fits and then to practice. So 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.719 set up practice routines, especially inside one hundred and fifty yards, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.960 to understand how far I'm hitting the ball at what 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.280 speeds and then translate into that what that feels. That's 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.120 the other thing tour players are really good at is 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.800 understanding feels and speeds. What is seventy miles an hour 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.560 of a club had speed feel like? 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:38.080 Right? 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.080 And trying to ingrain those So that technology has really 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.080 helped accelerate the learning curve, and I think you can 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.840 get better faster by using the technology that's available. When 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.119 I was in college, we used to have this old 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.960 kind of shaggreen and we had a t box that 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.840 would go up to one hundred and forty yards and 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.359 you would walk off from a stick that you stuck 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.480 in the ground and you'd walk back to eighty yards 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.159 and I'm gonna work on eighty yards for these fifty balls. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.240 Then you'd walk back ten yards and that's how we practice. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.960 But now it's just instant, right. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.360 I mean, I always look at when I started working 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.560 with tour players back in the early two thousands, I 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.800 was on the European tour. I had a Dell Daylight 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.200 readable laptop, which people thought they were seeing fire for 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.120 the first time because I could plug out all these 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.680 chords and I could plug it in. I could take 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.520 it on the range and you could see the laptop 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.720 had the V one system. I could see it outside, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.600 put it side by side, put on a tripod. But technology, now, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.080 do you think it is helping younger players more than 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.640 it's hurting younger players? 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.640 It's a good question. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.560 I think sometimes with the technology, you're chasing perfect, and 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.600 the game isn't a game of perfect, right, It's more 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.760 of a game of missus. To be honest with you, 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.080 it is how good is your miss? Is your missing play? 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.480 Can we carry on to the next shot from our miss? 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.360 Or are we dropping? Or are we routine? And these things. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.240 So I think I'm trying to manage that can be 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.840 complicated between students and teachers because you want to give 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.480 the students the best information possible to help them be 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.200 successful at what they do. So managing that, I think 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:18.280 is very important. I think it's probably way overboard for 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.440 your everyday golfer. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.040 Yeah, like too much information. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.080 Like there's a lot of things that you look at 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.640 tour players and you think you can do, but you 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.800 really never will have a chance. But we're definitely trying 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.840 to make the game easier to some point for those 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.720 people and trying to find ways for them to improve. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.800 So I enjoy certain aspects of the tech, but I 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.360 also see the disadvantage at times because you're chasing perfect, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.440 and I've been guilty of that at times in my career. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.520 I gave a presentation a couple of weeks ago for 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.160 the Titleist Performance Institute at the World Golf Fitness Summit, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.560 and I found a video on social It was the top. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.680 It was all the swings with a driver, back to 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.120 back of everybody starting from thirty to one that made 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.200 it to the Tour Championship. You know, very different golf swings. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.120 And I said in my presentation, if you watch this, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.200 if you have as an instructor, if you have a 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.000 model in your head of the way you want everybody 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.520 to swing the golf club, you will lose. My dad 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.480 is famous, obviously for the work that he did with 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.199 Tiger Woods, and part of my presentation was I watched 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.080 Tiger Woods and when I went to the European Tourist 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:22.680 I helped my dad work with Adam Scott and then 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.200 I worked with Trevor Ullman. It was Tiger one oh one. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.320 Right now, there are so many different styles of golf swings, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.360 Whereas in the early two thousands, and I think a 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.560 lot of before that, it was a quest to be 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.920 perfect the work that Led did with with Nick Faldo, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.480 you know, to try and create that kind of almost 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.960 robotic machine like golf swing. But now we see so 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.680 many different body styles, types of golf swings. Have you 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.080 seen in your career kind of it go from a 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.000 quest for perfect between now with technology. You know. I 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.760 talked to Greg Rose and Dave Phillips a TPI about 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.320 this all the time. They're like, listen, we get your 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.120 own three D. We don't really care what it looks like. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.840 It's functional. We know what your body can do. Have 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.160 you seen kind of a shift in maybe golf swings 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:14.120 becoming less about aesthetics and has maybe the tech helped 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:15.480 it be more about function? 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:16.720 Yeah? I think so. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:21.520 I think you're seeing more guys have their own swing 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.520 style and as a coach or even as a fan 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.360 of the game, understanding the differences in those things. For 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.120 an example, you worked with Dustin Johnson. You could never 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.280 teach how Dustin Johnson swings the golf club. But at 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.480 the same time, you would never want to take him 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:39.600 and change what he does. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.640 Right. That's unique. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.719 It's like a fingerprint, that's his DNA. But I'm sure 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.920 when you were working with him you understood his tendencies 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.400 of what worked and when things were going well and 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.640 where he got off. So you're always trying to drive 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.160 him back to those tendencies. That worked for him. So 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.560 I think that's what you're seeing more of now. And 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.720 with the three D technology and the capturing and all 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.520 these things that are happening, people can see the uniqueness 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.880 and these fingerprints of golf swings and understand like, these 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.880 are the parameters this player needs to work in, and 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.520 then when they're off, you can understand where you need 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.120 to go a lot sooner and a lot quicker. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.800 Yeah, I mean, I think everybody kind of has their 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.120 own signature in their own DNA. I've always thought of 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.000 you as kind of a student of the game and 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.600 a student of golf swings. When you look at golf swings, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.640 give me golf swings that you Jason Duffer look at 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.120 and go, I like that golfing. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.280 I mean obviously Tiger early two thousands, right, that's pretty good. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.160 Like right now, who's golf swing on tour that you 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.120 look at in the last three or four years? I mean, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.480 obviously Rory. Everybody looks at Roy. But are there any 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.200 others that you gotta go? And I really like that move. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:50.719 Yeah, I've liked fleet man. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.000 In my head, I'm thinking Tommy Fleet because I love 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:54.880 his action, right. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.679 I got great action, good, good playing good face control. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.600 Who else Adam Scott I think has done a really 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:03.120 good I. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.120 Just saw Scotty in last week and I was watching 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.960 him hit golf balls, and he's it was like growing 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.840 up watching Freddie Couples hit golf balls. You just went 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.200 it looks so good the way the tempo and the rhythm. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.560 When you what do you like about Adam Scott's golfing. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.880 Obviously, the tempo and the rhythm are good. I'm a 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.439 little envious of his draw capability because I've never been 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.760 a big right to left ball flight type of guy. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.559 So I'm all the guys that I like swings all 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.000 sling hook it and they probably hate hitting sling hooks, right. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.920 Yeah, Scotty was like, it's a little off the toe. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.400 I need to try and feel like it gets a 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:36.959 little bit more. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.560 So I'm kind of favorable towards those guys. I think 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.640 Justin Thomas has done a great job with his golf swing. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.720 And that's a very kind of an old school throwback 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.000 to where kind of that Davis love high everything kind 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.480 of in the last I think we haven't seen a 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:54.760 lot of that being taked. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.400 Now you've got a lot of hands deeper yep, a 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.120 lot more stronger face. These guys are sitting back on 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.400 the right foot spinning side bending. My body doesn't side 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:09.160 bend anymore. Sidebind in rotation equals get a back surgeon 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:10.000 on speed dial. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.240 At some point, you know, I. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.559 Said this in the TPI conference. My uncle Billy came 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.200 into Vegas. He candies for Jay Haas on the PGA 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.199 tour for thirty years. He was a great instructor, I 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.079 think one of the best in the game. And it 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.480 was that year that Tiger and Duvall were hanging out 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.280 together and Tiger's number one in the world and Duvall's 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.640 number one in the world, and two side by side 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.640 golf swings couldn't be any more different, right, and both 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.120 unbelievable champions, majors and stuff like that. My uncle Billy said, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.960 you know, the amazing thing is when you look at 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.679 Duval's swing, nobody is teaching that. He said, everybody, what 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.080 we do now is try to teach everybody to swing 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.520 the golf club like Tiger Adam Scott wide with minimize 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.240 the movement. And he said, you know, if you look 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.520 at two of the greatest ball strikers of all time, Hiller, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.760 when shut take it inside, come over it fade Trevino 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.600 wide open, take it outside, drop it on, and he said, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.360 we're not teaching anybody to try and do that. I've 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.040 heard that one of the things that drives Jack Nicholas 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.440 crazy is for everything that everybody asks Jack about, nobody 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.160 would ever try and putt like Jack. He's one of 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.240 the greatest, if not the greatest, pressure putter of all time, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.320 with a very non conventional method. Everybody wants to putt 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.920 like Slick Rick and Tiger, right, but Jack was one 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.720 of the greatest with a method nobody would use. How 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:34.080 much do you think technique has played a role And 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.280 were those guys just able to execute? Because you talked 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.960 about the game maybe not being what it is now. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.640 And if you look at I played tennis growing up, 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.760 tennis now is there's no serve in volley anymore. Nobody 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.240 serves in volleys anymore because why would you. You don't 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.800 have to, right, But if you look at the greatest 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:55.880 tennis players of all time, Novak, Rafa, Roger, they could 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.600 do it all. And the greatest golfers, the great great champions, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.320 the icons, they can do it all as well. They 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:09.160 have everything, so that jump from professional golf to college golf. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.120 I think everybody that's coming out of amateur golf and 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.400 college golf is trying so hard to have all of 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.400 the shots. But I do think that we live in 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.000 an era with technology. My dad always says, you guys 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.400 never had to get the ball in the air. You 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.600 never played with with a wooden golf club. In a competition, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.160 the ball is always launched high. If anything. At the 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.560 elite tour level that you're at, you guys are trying 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.160 to bring the spin down, whereas back in the day, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.120 the only way you could get it up was and 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:39.800 I think a lot of my dad believes that a 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.920 lot of the old golf swings that knee drive, that 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.520 kind of crenchaw drive with the knee hang back. He 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.520 thought that a lot of that was equipment dependent, based 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.960 off of the equipment they were playing the equipment. Now 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.240 the drivers don't curve as much right now. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.120 The ball inherently used to be the hardest club to hit. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.200 Now now he's one of the easiest. Would you like 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.920 to see that change? You think that technology? 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.480 I think the technology makes it too easy. I do. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.640 I think learning to. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.240 Hit shots is a lost art. I think the ball 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.520 doesn't spin enough. So spin is spin, Yeah, either back spin, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.280 side spin, it's hard to spin it. So you know, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.520 guys play this power game. They beat up the par 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.000 fives and they get comfortable doing that. And the guys 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.600 that are still in the top thirty, that are top 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:31.680 fifty are still great. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.360 They still have a high skill level. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.680 But outside of that, I think guys are very one 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.160 dimensional on how they play. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.560 But the problem now, Duff, is you can you can 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.960 get one shot and if you if you look at 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.640 guys like Brooks and DJ, if you've got speed, now 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.560 you can basically say, okay, I just do what I 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.240 do now, I hit the golf ball. I've got a 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.320 ton of speed. And Brooks and DJ, I think are 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.360 the prototype guys to where they just go, I just 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.360 hit one shot pretty much all the time. Brooks can 0:16:58.440 --> 0:16:59.640 draw it a little bit more than. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.560 DK, and you can't argue with them because they play well, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.600 they win tournaments, and they make a lot of money. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.440 So who's to argue with that? 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.399 The jump from college golf to professional golf, what do 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.800 you think is the biggest part of that jump? And 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.040 what if you could go back and tell yourself when 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.200 you were coming out of Auburn, Hey, the tour really 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.560 you need this? What do you know now that you 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.639 didn't know when you came out about what it takes 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.080 to have a long term career as you've had on. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.000 I think a lot of it doesn't have to do 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.800 with the physical aspects. A lot of the kids get 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.080 into the golf swing and the scoring and how do 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.119 I putt? And I think the biggest thing I think 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.840 for kids making that jump is getting involved and being 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.520 a professional golfer and seeing what else there is about that. Right, So, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.960 there's a lot of travel, there's a lot of time 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.480 that you're accountable for now. Nobody is telling you to 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.040 get up and practice. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.840 All the things you hated as a college golfer. I 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.879 hear this all the time. The coach tells you when 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.280 to practice, they tell you when to work out. You 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.000 have a place to practice, you have a place to play, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.560 you have a travel schedule. When you turn pros, all 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.359 of that goes away. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.960 So managing that, managing expectations, I think is a big 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.919 thing for the guys coming out now because they're with 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.760 the social media and all the things the tour has 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.280 done to promote these guys to get these guys on 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.960 tour quicker. They expect to have quick results. So so 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.159 how do you manage that if it doesn't happen, not 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.400 everybody's going to be right on tour? You know, how 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.440 do you deal with playing for a paycheck? Right, you know, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:44.760 making cuts, making. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.600 And you're going to make any. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:52.000 Money providing, you know, for your livelihood. And then I 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.240 don't think college kids really understand how competitive professional golf 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.160 is because when they play a college event, there might 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.200 be say fifteen teams and that equals eighty or ninety guys, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.040 and there might be only ten twelve guys that can 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.840 really play that are in that field. Well, when you 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.520 go to any corn Fairy event, DP World Tour event, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:18.320 PGA Tour event, even like whatever's below corn Fairy Tour, like, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.360 these dudes are the best of the best, and as 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.840 you're progressing, it's getting better and better. So trying to 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.719 be one of the best in the world at what 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:34.280 you do is extremely, extremely difficult, if that makes sense, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:39.080 in the whole world. So it's not for everybody, That's 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.920