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Speaker 1: It is Monday, the twenty third of September twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program next

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Speaker 1: to my trusty co host, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys watching.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to anything else, Brian gotta make sure

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Speaker 1: the folks know we are on our new channel. Like

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Speaker 1: Can you feel the rhythm? Is our obligation? So you

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Speaker 1: want more mk ultra in your life? Brainwash your combat mind?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing? By the way, how is the

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Speaker 2: right thing?

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Speaker 3: Amazing weekend?

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Speaker 4: Help you?

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Speaker 2: You're a little tam Yeah.

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Speaker 4: How about that Native American summer going on right now?

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Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that what they call it? I don't

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Speaker 4: know when it's really hot?

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Speaker 2: You mean Indian summer?

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Speaker 4: Guy? So not wolk right here outdoors? You know, kids

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Speaker 4: had some sporting events, you know, get a little little

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Speaker 4: color action. Really nice yourself. You got any metal shows

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Speaker 4: you go to?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I am taking the wife to see Cannibal

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Speaker 1: Corpse in November. This is true in Philly that should

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Speaker 1: be a very rowdy show. No, my wife, we met

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Speaker 1: with some Colombian uh in laws, but family, well sort

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Speaker 1: of family members.

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Speaker 4: At what point do you share with your daughter on

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Speaker 4: your iPod, your pre mass shooters playlist.

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Speaker 1: Well, again, my daughter was in utero in my wife's

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Speaker 1: belly when we went to a Dying Fetus show right

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Speaker 1: here in New York City. So soon is the answer.

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Speaker 3: When I bathe her, that's why you named her Courtney.

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Speaker 1: I get it, uh Violetta when we when I bathe her,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of angry metal.

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Speaker 2: Well, my wife bathed there. It's a lot of tears

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Speaker 2: for fears or something.

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Speaker 4: It's enough talking about children in bats speak, Coach Van Dusky,

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Speaker 4: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Let's speaking of tears, Brian Campbell. There were many of them.

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Speaker 1: There was wailing and gnashing of teeth because UFC Mexico

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Speaker 1: was over the weekend, and well it was a weird event.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the weirdness that was the apex

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Speaker 1: of it, namely the main event that was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be between Year Rodriguez and Jeremy Stevens at last, a

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Speaker 1: whopping total of fifteen seconds before Jeremy Stevens gets his

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Speaker 1: eyes raked. It ends up being a no contest. He

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Speaker 1: has to get escorted out of there. They're throwing beer,

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Speaker 1: they're throwing popcorn.

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Speaker 4: There's Stephen Jackson got into the crowd, start throwing punches.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was great, it was it was a brawl.

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Speaker 1: Then yayar was he seemed very fired up. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: we're trying to think about what the lessons are here

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Speaker 1: first on this one. So the lessons I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go first on this one.

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Speaker 4: Away take the one.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Jesus, take the wheel secondary me. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I would say about this. Look, the reality is I

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Speaker 1: did not see a ton of people getting out there

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Speaker 1: and condemning Jeremy Stevens. But I did see a little

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Speaker 1: bit of it. Let me just say something about Jeremy Stevens.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Stevens is a throwback fighter. If you look at

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Speaker 1: his record, I think it's something like twenty eight and sixteen.

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Speaker 1: He has faced the very best of his generation, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: fight in and fight out, and sometimes he wins and

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Speaker 1: sometimes he loses. He does not have the most spectacular

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Speaker 1: winning record. What he does have is nothing but an

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Speaker 1: attitude of piss and vinegar. He was on my show

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Speaker 1: one time and I forget which fight it was for,

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Speaker 1: and I asked him why he accepted it given I

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Speaker 1: think he was on that winning street before the Eldo fight,

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Speaker 1: and he basically explained, he goes, I didn't know we

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Speaker 1: could turn down fights, meaning he like it didn't even

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Speaker 1: occur to him to say no when a name came

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Speaker 1: from the UFC matchmakers.

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Speaker 2: He is a bruiser, a marauder.

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Speaker 1: And if anybody says they are injured and deserves the

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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Because I'm not an ophthalmologist, I

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Speaker 1: don't know it is Jeremy Stevens.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was Today's removed from on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Do you see that little hallaboo where he wrote out

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Speaker 4: a teenage kid and was basically like keep talking and

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Speaker 4: I'll kill you like your father. Like like there was

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Speaker 4: like this is that dude, you know? Psycho killer Keska

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Speaker 4: say he's got that mentality. He's not quitting, He's not

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Speaker 4: refusing to open his eye by any means.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: By by the way, if you look it up again,

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Speaker 1: this is some basic WebMD research, but apparently the corny

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Speaker 1: just the first one, which apparently is very easy to

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Speaker 1: get rid of. The eye has that in that particular space,

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Speaker 1: more nerve endings than any other place on your body.

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Speaker 1: So like, that's why I hit the He had this

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Speaker 1: triggered response where he couldn't even open the thing. So

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Speaker 1: that would be my number one lesson I learned from this,

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Speaker 1: which is there is no level of ability, accomplishment, gameness,

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Speaker 1: or toughness in MMA that will immunize you from criticism.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter how much you show to them over how

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Speaker 1: many years, they decide one time you're malingering.

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Speaker 2: They'll just accuse you're.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get me to apologize, Tod Duffy, is what

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Speaker 3: you're doing here?

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Speaker 2: Now's your chance?

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Speaker 4: All right? Well, I mean even I mean this dude,

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Speaker 4: they say, he spent what thirty thousand on this training camp,

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Speaker 4: moved his life to Mexico to prepare for this fight.

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Speaker 4: He's not going to quit fifteen seconds in without giving

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Speaker 4: it that chance. But you said sort of what we

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Speaker 4: learned from this lessons learned? How about the lesson of

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Speaker 4: maybe we don't go back to Mexico's city wow. Oh

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Speaker 4: even Sea level Cane sitting cage side was sort of like,

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Speaker 4: oh man, this is not a good look, bro. This

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Speaker 4: they turned this into a palace brawl situation. But here's

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Speaker 4: the difference. When the Pacers and Pistons brawl in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and four, that was because the players went in

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Speaker 4: the crowd, and we're like attacking fans. So what in

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Speaker 4: this case, you paid your money for this great fight

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Speaker 4: that didn't happen, a pretty good card leading up to

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Speaker 4: that fight. It gives you the right to just throw

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Speaker 4: ish left and right. I mean, did you see the footage?

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Speaker 4: Can we show we can we show Brendan Fitzgerald the

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Speaker 4: UFC an outs there ducking for cover. I mean that

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Speaker 4: was a little bit extreme right there, right, that was

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Speaker 4: a little much biz ping on the can right there.

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Speaker 4: But he got hit in the head. Everyone's getting hit

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Speaker 4: in Just the disgrace of seeing Jeremy Stevens walk out

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Speaker 4: with his team and security covering his head, people throwing

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Speaker 4: punches to the back of his head, beers, flying ice.

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Speaker 3: Cubes, hot dogs, well I wouldn't mind that, but at

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Speaker 3: some point.

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Speaker 2: Look some hot dogs in your face.

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Speaker 4: Here's the deal, though, Luke, I get it. You can

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Speaker 4: be upset that the fight didn't happen, but like, how

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Speaker 4: did it go from zero to insanity?

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Speaker 3: So when there wasn't like, look, this wasn't even like

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Speaker 4: Habib brawl where the where the nationalistic emotions are so charged.

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Speaker 4: This was just sort of like, oh ho, hom mittreol

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Speaker 4: and kicked the dude in the stick. I guess we

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Speaker 4: gotta end this fight.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I would say to that, Like, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I just look, there's no way to look

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Speaker 1: at what the Mexican fan base that did there and

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Speaker 1: say anything other than it's reprehensible. It's reprehensible, there's no

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Speaker 1: place for it. It's ridiculous, it's over the top, it's

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Speaker 1: frankly gross'. It's just not defensible. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: it's not the Palace at the Mauice bro And I

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Speaker 1: understand what you're trying to say. It could have been

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Speaker 1: if you let Jeremy Steve Stevens into the audience Cyclops

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Speaker 1: and all.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I know.

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Speaker 1: But the thing I'll say about is this two things

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Speaker 1: I take away from it. One is this is what

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Speaker 1: happens when you have an immature fan base and by imature.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean fourteen years old. What I mean is,

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Speaker 1: by the time you come to the United States and

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Speaker 1: you have a developed market, you talk to MMA fans

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Speaker 1: like real MMA fans do. They have like a legitimate

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Speaker 1: reverence not merely for their favorite fighter a Frankie Edgarro

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Speaker 1: George Saint Pierre, but for like the sport generally. Which

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Speaker 1: isn't to say that American fans are above bad behavior.

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Speaker 1: God knows, they get involve all the time. But I

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Speaker 1: just don't feel like MMA fans the United States are

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Speaker 1: as prone to chuck and shit into a cage if

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Speaker 1: they don't get their way because they think they have

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Speaker 1: a certain like literally reverence for the sport. That's one

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Speaker 1: second thing I'll say is this again, there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, if you watch soccer, that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: shit honestly compared to what soccer fans have to go

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Speaker 1: soccer fan base here in the United States and in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: they'll throw backs and piss at them.

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Speaker 4: At last ten, that's like saying, well, if ever been

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Speaker 4: in jail, you can't compare it to that.

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Speaker 2: I understand, I understand.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel there is enough room to say

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Speaker 1: what they did was reprehensible without saying it was murder,

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't really murder.

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Speaker 3: It's like, whoe they met at? Do you think that

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Speaker 4: Because by looking at it as a whole, it looks like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: they're pissed at Jeremy Stevens. They think he quit, they

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Speaker 4: think he ruined their time, they think he inevitably stole

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Speaker 4: money from them. They didn't get the main event they wanted,

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Speaker 4: they didn't get a chance to cheer on Yai Ear.

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Speaker 3: But that wasn't really what I saw.

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Speaker 4: What I saw was a crowd that really we began

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Speaker 4: to turn ugly at the end of the coal main

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Speaker 4: event when carl Asparza gets that very close decision over

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Speaker 4: Lexa Grosso, who's from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 4: Esparsa is also a Mexican American by the way, so

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Speaker 4: it's not like it's that one sided on there. But

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Speaker 4: they seemed very upset by that decision. You saw a

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Speaker 4: foul mood in the air, booing her, and it almost

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Speaker 4: seemed like by the time that main event happened.

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Speaker 3: We wanted lust, we wanted blood. We're lusting for blood.

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Speaker 4: We want lust too, but we're lusting for blood in

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Speaker 4: this case, and if we don't get it, we're gonna riot.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think it was like a f you,

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Stevens. It was like a oh crap, we didn't

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Speaker 4: get we won.

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Speaker 1: How many times have you seen a fan brawl or

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Speaker 1: fan backlash that you could make, especially alcohol fund I

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Speaker 1: don't mean like online or in response to something thoughtful

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Speaker 1: or considered. We're talking about they were chucking beer. By

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Speaker 1: the way, a lot of places in the rest of

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Speaker 1: the world, like you go to a soccer game in

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Speaker 1: England or where I've been in South America, you can't

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Speaker 1: even drink at the game. So they allowed you to

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Speaker 1: drink at this place, which, by the way, you're just

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Speaker 1: going to heighten the Irrationally you're expecting a rational response

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Speaker 1: foman inherently irrational situation, You're not going to find one.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: There is no defense of what they're doing. They were

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Speaker 1: Some bisping unless you finish the bisping. After Ya just

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Speaker 4: And it's a weird stretch because we're talking about heading

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Speaker 2: Is he if he's.

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Speaker 4: Losing his touch? No, he gave that fight every single opportunity.

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Speaker 4: He controlled that cage, telling people where to go, telling doctors, no,

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Speaker 4: You never really see a referee step up in control situations.

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Speaker 3: But outside of that, Dean's on the ball.

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Speaker 1: Anything else out of that car that stood out to

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Speaker 4: I love that card, I said, coming in there, we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 4: You bet you sound of a bet you over here?

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Speaker 4: When you look at a card, you look at these

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Speaker 4: one this weekend with Copenhagen that really, to be honest

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Speaker 4: like the storylines, like the potential for good fights. You

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Speaker 4: can we run that over my shoulder right now? Counters

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Speaker 2: Well, he took this fight on late notice with.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I look at the commitment to the

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Speaker 4: So you have this, and then Luke, you get a

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Speaker 2: Give me a craple online?

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Speaker 1: Because I had said, again, this is not a hill

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Speaker 2: What the truth is.

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Speaker 1: But the assumed wisdom in every gym I've ever been

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Speaker 4: So you can talk about women's bodies on here we go,

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Speaker 1: If you look at you look at I've seen mischitate

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Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But people in line.

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Speaker 1: Were like, oh, this is this is this is bullshit.

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Speaker 4: Don't body shame anyone. The whole one is. It's a joke.

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Speaker 4: Heck of a fight though he was a battle main event.

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Speaker 4: I came in there saying, I need to see this fight.

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Speaker 4: I love this division. That fight delivered. You gotta love

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Speaker 4: the heart of the spars at a rally, which is really.

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Speaker 2: I said, how you score it?

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Speaker 4: I had a sparsa just barely, but I totally can

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Speaker 4: a yeah, all right, we'll skip you. You love that

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Speaker 4: Sergio Pettis gets to win. This is there some.

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Speaker 2: Possers look good.

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Speaker 1: But no, not really. No, you won't speak to me.

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Speaker 1: It's out of Signy Whitaker, which will get to a

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Speaker 1: little bit later.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, you f C two forty four'st Presser is in

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Speaker 2: They had.

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Speaker 1: The rock apparent's gonna put the BMF belt. There's gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeh. The parental advisory, oh.

438
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Speaker 1: My god, the parental advisory so Masvedal versus Diaz, and

439
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Speaker 1: the way it was the sign had structured just so

440
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Speaker 1: brilliant they lean into it.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, though, Brian Camblell, you go first

442
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Speaker 2: on this one.

443
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Speaker 1: I'm not the fight we all know is going to

444
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Speaker 1: be bonkers amazing, and it's by the way, they're gonna

445
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Speaker 1: sell out MSG on a non title night amazing. And

446
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Speaker 1: by the way, no one talks about this, the fact

447
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Speaker 1: that it's non title UC two forty four freeze up

448
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Speaker 1: a title to take place in the December fourteenth card,

449
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Speaker 1: so they gonna have two or three title fights on

450
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Speaker 1: that one.

451
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Speaker 4: It's just right now.

452
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Speaker 2: It just works.

453
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Speaker 1: Is there enough rivalry when this fight? Like it felt

454
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Speaker 1: like if you asked me, was that a great face off?

455
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a great face off.

456
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Speaker 2: No.

457
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Speaker 4: Everything about unfortunately this this presser, except for the settings,

458
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Speaker 4: the acoustics, the visuals, the optics, was it's not a

459
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Speaker 4: face but it was a worst case scenario for the

460
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Speaker 4: potential of what it was. When you hear when we

461
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Speaker 4: got the email saying, hey, be there in New York

462
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Speaker 4: in person, that's one of those rare times where you're like,

463
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Speaker 4: there's not going to be a fight, but I have

464
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Speaker 4: the excitement level of a fight right, kind of like

465
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Speaker 4: the Mayweather McGregor tour.

466
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Speaker 3: You can't argue the first two stops were hot fire.

467
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Speaker 4: Money have to be there, have to see what is

468
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 4: like performance are some econnor McGregor's have been that way.

469
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Speaker 4: This gave you that feeling coming in that this could

470
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Speaker 4: be special. These guys are finally getting their close up.

471
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Speaker 4: But in the back of our brains when this fight

472
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Speaker 4: was announced, when we were talking about would UFC make

473
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Speaker 4: this fight, part of us cynically were like, you got

474
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Speaker 4: two villains, two guys that, from a marketing standpoint, are

475
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Speaker 4: perfect b sides, especially when you put them up against

476
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Speaker 4: a corporate popular crossover fighter who might run his mouth

477
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Speaker 4: a little McGregor as an example, where they can be

478
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Speaker 4: the counter to that because they're so real that when

479
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Speaker 4: they counter that, they come back even harder and stronger.

480
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Speaker 4: And when you match them up together, will there be

481
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Speaker 4: a storyline? Will somebody throw the first punch in the end? Luke,

482
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Speaker 4: it didn't. In fact, it somewhat failed miserably in that regard.

483
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Speaker 4: We got some good soundbites from mas Vidal he dressed

484
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Speaker 4: and looked at the part DS two, But ultimately, Luke, unfortunately,

485
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Speaker 4: that's not gonna affect how the fight plays out. I

486
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Speaker 4: do think it affected the the upper ceiling potential of

487
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Speaker 4: how this could have crossed over and where the buzz

488
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Speaker 4: could be because I came out of there not nearly

489
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Speaker 4: as excited again. The flight's gonna be great. I would

490
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Speaker 4: love to be there, but I'm choosing Canelo Kovlev for

491
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 4: different reasons to go to Vegas instead that weekend. But

492
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Speaker 4: I think they failed. And I think if you're going

493
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Speaker 4: to point at somebody, well, first of all, you're gonna

494
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Speaker 4: point out whoever allowed that group of press to sit

495
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Speaker 4: in front of that stage and whoever was passing around

496
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Speaker 4: the microphone. Can we please get Tom Brady t Shirt

497
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Speaker 4: Vegan guy to ask four more questions about we throw him. Look,

498
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying like I've been to a lot of

499
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Speaker 4: boxing and MA press events where you know, the lower

500
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 4: third of the food chain will get the microphone and

501
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 4: it happens, and that's just the way it is boxing.

502
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Speaker 4: And it may seem to attract Joe's Boxing dot Com

503
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Speaker 4: as a website, and guess what you can get to

504
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Speaker 4: the majors quickly in this media business in a niche

505
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Speaker 4: sport like this.

506
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Speaker 3: But where where the hell was John Morgan?

507
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 4: We never needed him so badly to just bring it

508
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Speaker 4: back to asking normal questions. We were going to this

509
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 4: radio Joe and this guy that is side Luke. I

510
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 4: think the guy who failed in the end was Jorge masmital.

511
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 4: It's me putting a lot of pressure on him, but

512
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 4: only from a marketing standpoint, from the standpoint of two

513
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 4: personalities bringing them together and almost giving a pro wrestling

514
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 4: light type. This is why, if you're a crossover casual

515
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 4: fan that really doesn't understand the background, why you should

516
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Speaker 4: buy it. I think it was on mos been able

517
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 4: to step up and really bring an a plus performance

518
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Speaker 4: from a belligerent Mike running, get in Dieza's face and

519
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 4: put out a statement of violence. Now, look, he didn't

520
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 4: fail in the dress. He didn't fail going to Sports

521
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Speaker 4: Center or ESPN's get up. I mean he brought it.

522
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Speaker 4: He killed it on LeBatard. He brought it from that standpoint.

523
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 4: But that face off matters to people. There's currency in that.

524
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Speaker 4: And Nate at this point is in this pecurious spot

525
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 4: where he's like the longtime villain B side who's kind

526
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Speaker 4: of crossing over into a side, not company man, but

527
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Speaker 4: the company finally understanding who he is and his value.

528
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Speaker 4: I think it was on Mozvidal, the newcomer, to step

529
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Speaker 4: in not create a fake fight where there is not

530
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 4: you know, because there's a lot of respect between them

531
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Speaker 4: but get in his face at the very least and

532
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 4: show that intensity that in the garden that night, it's

533
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Speaker 4: going to be mayhem. And I don't think he spelled

534
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 4: that out enough. I know you're getting into that great

535
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Speaker 4: territory because what I don't want UFC to do is

536
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 4: sit these two guys down backstage and go, okay, guys,

537
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 4: we got to hamp it up a little. Okay, is

538
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 4: you mind pushing each other? No, we never want any

539
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: of that crap. But I think for Mozvidal, who's so smart.

540
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I've done the interviews with Mazda. I'm sure

541
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 4: you have back when people weren't even talking about his fights,

542
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 4: where I'm like, oh my god, if we had a camera,

543
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 4: if we had a TV camera here, this could have

544
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: crossed over, this could have been viral. He always brings it,

545
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Speaker 4: and this was a time I get that there wasn't

546
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Speaker 4: somebody agitating him, but he needed to step into that

547
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 4: crossover mode and say I am the guy now, I

548
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 4: could be your next McGregor UFC. So to do that

549
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 4: sometimes you have to own the moment. I don't think

550
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Speaker 4: he owned that moment enough.

551
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Speaker 1: I would I think you're being a little hot I

552
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: think you're generally got the right note here, but you're

553
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Speaker 1: a little bit off.

554
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Speaker 2: I would say this. The vibe I get is, I

555
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: don't know you've ever seen you ever seen Big Trouble

556
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: and little Right? Great? Yes, great movie.

557
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 1: Remember you had the guys who were in the one

558
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: gang that had the black and the red, and then

559
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: the one game with the black and the yellow. It's

560
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: like they all just came together versus being a part.

561
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: It's like the Crips and the Bloods after they signed

562
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: their truce. Well, there's no war there. You're promising us war.

563
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: It's in this weird space where it's almost like Diaz

564
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: and Masvidol have signed a pact to work together, not

565
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: to like stick it to UFC, but almost like stick

566
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: it to the game. The game's been sticking it to

567
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: them for so long. Hey, guys, let's work together. Let's

568
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: make a bunch of money together. They're almost happy to

569
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Speaker 1: be in each other's company, not really because game recognized game,

570
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: but because guys like, we're finally getting our moment. We're

571
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Speaker 1: finally they're putting parental advisory stickers up for us. Look

572
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: as right next to the Brooklyn Bridge, this is what

573
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Speaker 1: we've always wanted. And I'm happy for him. I'm legitimately

574
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Speaker 1: happy for him. And like you, if Dinner White was

575
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Speaker 1: back to being like all right, I need some pushing,

576
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Speaker 1: I need some shoving, it would lose everything. At the

577
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Speaker 1: other hand, estimately, what could they have done differently. Here's

578
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 1: a small thing that could have done differently, getting each

579
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Speaker 1: other's face in the face off. Give us a moment

580
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Speaker 1: where we can see two gangs the radiating energy off

581
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: of one another in where we're like, oh man, there's

582
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna be war on November two.

583
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: They didn't do that.

584
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: They have so much it's like again, it's like it's

585
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: like the Cold War is over, Dayton no longer relevant.

586
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: I need something where the tensions are ratcheted up, not

587
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: in a personal way, but in a competitive way. You

588
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: know what, jorgem masvio All has to offer everything.

589
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: I like the one liner, like you know, I'm gonna

590
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 4: baptize people, all that stuff, but you have to go

591
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: up to that line. You can still respect Nate Diaz,

592
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: but go up to that line and say, look, look,

593
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Speaker 4: I respect you, bro, but motherfucker, I'm gonna kick your ass.

594
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Speaker 2: And here's the other part. Nate Diaz is finally the

595
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Speaker 2: a side. As you mentioned.

596
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Speaker 1: Here's how you know he's in a different space because

597
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Speaker 1: this guy who has no brain, he just has gangla

598
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: bobbing at the end of his spine, asked him.

599
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: A question, Hey, how can you be a man if

600
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Speaker 2: you're vegan?

601
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Speaker 1: I mean, please behead This person robes Pierre style, but

602
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. How did Diaz handle it?

603
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Speaker 2: You know what he said?

604
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: He laughed?

605
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Speaker 2: He laughed.

606
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Speaker 3: He After there was a long pause because they okay,

607
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Speaker 3: hear the crowd, O.

608
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm just saying. There's some technical difficulties.

609
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Speaker 2: There, but I understand the point.

610
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: The point is an on edge Nick Diaz would to

611
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: choot his head off, Yes, and on edge Nate Diaz

612
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: would choot his head off. But he's getting paid. He's

613
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Speaker 1: on the marquee. They're almost a little too happy. I

614
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: need him to be not angry. I need him to

615
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: have a little bit of edge in a in a

616
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Speaker 1: non forced but palatable way. I think that part is

617
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: still missing.

618
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: You got to give you FC credit that backdrop. And

619
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Speaker 4: I'm not really into this. So they did them sort

620
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: of you know, critiquing this. It was big time. I

621
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Speaker 4: mean that felt like a top shelf McGregor situation.

622
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Speaker 1: And that's why DZ is so happy. He's like, I

623
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Speaker 1: think this is what I've always wanted. Jorge Maslol's like

624
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Speaker 1: I finally hit the lottery after sixteen years.

625
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Speaker 2: Fellas. We know you're happy. We need you to be

626
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Speaker 2: a little bit less happy, you know what I'm saying.

627
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Speaker 4: Shout out to a friend of the family, Phoenix Carnival,

628
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 4: for being the journalistic heartbeat of that.

629
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Speaker 1: Also, Mark Lamonica. Mark Lamonica asked a question as well,

630
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Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, when there was a bunch of Jabroni's

631
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Speaker 1: there and it was don Toberfest, Yeah it was doctor,

632
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Speaker 1: It was donked Overfest for real?

633
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Speaker 2: All right? That takes us too.

634
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Speaker 4: By the way, how hot is the bomb shelter today?

635
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: You feeling this? You got the drip going on.

636
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Speaker 2: Right now, not as bad as you, which is surprizing.

637
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: You are really struggling over there. Okayuddy, man, keep rubbing

638
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: your face, No one notices. Let's get to it.

639
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: So upcoming. I mean, I just have to throw this

640
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: right to you. Spence, He's going to be back in action,

641
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Speaker 1: is he not?

642
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: All right? So the big boxing event.

643
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: This weekend, Spence versus Porter, my manitorer here, Brian Campbell

644
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: has been all over it, Broble. Let's go right back

645
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: to you on this one as well. Spence versus Porter. Now,

646
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of MMA fans here names.

647
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Like Bud Crawford.

648
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: That's a big name, or they hear names likely no Canelo,

649
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: but they here's some other ones that are coming up,

650
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: maybe even a Gary Russell junior.

651
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: It in their way. How about Javonte Davis. We were

652
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: at his fight as well.

653
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Speaker 1: Okay, but Spence is one that folks should know and

654
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Speaker 1: probably have known more recently given some of his accolades

655
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Speaker 1: taking on Sean Porter.

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Speaker 2: What is this fight about? Why is it so important?

657
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Speaker 2: What should fans understand?

658
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Speaker 4: In theory, it's a welterweight title unification about both guys

659
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Speaker 4: are champions. And then look, here's how the welterweight division

660
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Speaker 4: is the glamour division of the sport. It's carried the

661
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Speaker 4: boxing in the last two decades when heavyweight has lined

662
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Speaker 4: or more than await, oh certainly more than middleway for historically,

663
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Speaker 4: you know, over the last two decades, really from the

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Speaker 4: help from No. Two decades from the end of the

665
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: heavyweight era of Lennox Lewis and Tyson. In the nineties

666
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Speaker 4: you had that group of the De la Hoya Trinidad

667
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Speaker 4: Moseley walter waights that handed over to the Mayweather Pacquiao era.

668
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Speaker 3: They've become the stars.

669
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Speaker 4: It's sort of the perfect weight class of mixing the

670
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Speaker 4: speed of the lower weight classes with sort of guys

671
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Speaker 4: who just understand the spotlight and have you know, the power,

672
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Speaker 4: and you can get great fighters there. We have two

673
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Speaker 4: champions coming together. But as we know, as the walterweights,

674
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Speaker 4: it's historically deep. Right now, you've got big names. Terrence

675
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Speaker 4: Bud Crawford might be the best of them all, but

676
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Speaker 4: he's with top breaking ESPN. We don't know. We think

677
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: eventually we can get a crossover fight with him against

678
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Speaker 4: the winner of the PBC bracket if you will, Well,

679
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: this is almost a semi final in the PBC bracket.

680
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 4: Pacio just defeated Thurman on one side. Now you get

681
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Speaker 4: Spence Porters. What's at stake really becoming the leader of

682
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Speaker 4: the walterweight division. If you have two of the four

683
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Speaker 4: recognized titles, you can become the guy in the driver's

684
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Speaker 4: seat and you could get Pakiow later that you know,

685
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Speaker 4: later this year, next year. In terms of really becoming

686
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Speaker 4: the PBC side of it champion, then maybe we can

687
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: build long term toward Crawford. But even deeper than that, Luke,

688
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 4: We're at a really interesting spot in boxing right now.

689
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Speaker 4: You know the term pomt for pound king. People have

690
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: passed the baton. You know, the Roy Jones is to

691
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: pack you out to Floyd Mayweather, to Andre Ward for

692
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Speaker 4: a brief season, Roman Chocolate, Tito Gonzalez. But right now

693
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: we have a rare time where there's almost five or

694
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Speaker 4: six guys really six on my count, who have a

695
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: legitimate claim for pomp for pund number one at boxing.

696
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: When was the last time in either combat sport you

697
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Speaker 4: really had you always have one guy who's the king,

698
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Speaker 4: or maybe two guys that you're fifty to fifty debating.

699
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Speaker 4: We've got like six.

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Speaker 3: Right now, and what we haven't had yet is one

701
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Speaker 3: out of that group.

702
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Speaker 4: Really you can argue Lomachenko and he's number one on

703
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: my list, but one out of that group really pushing

704
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: the others inside and saying I am, without question the

705
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Speaker 4: best fighter in the sport. This is Spence's moment. He

706
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Speaker 4: was the boogeyman of the Walter Waite.

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Speaker 2: To Jas meeting Sean Porter is the standout moment for you.

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Speaker 4: Here's why.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he was, I get the titles on the line.

710
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Speaker 1: I take Porter seriously. It's not clear to me how

711
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Speaker 1: that's your number one pound for pound moment.

712
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: People have avoided Spence. He's in the PBC bracket which

713
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: has all the big names, yet no one has gone

714
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: out of their way to try to fight him. Right,

715
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: he had to go to England and become the mandatory

716
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: to beat kell Brook in a great fight that went

717
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: back and forth in which he stopped him and broke

718
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: his eye. From there, he stayed busy and fought like

719
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: the Lamont Peterson, aggressive, hungry types. But the big names

720
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 4: have stayed away from him. He got lucky that Mikey

721
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: Garcio had a ball bag that big was really willing

722
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: to move up two wake divisions. He's finally fighting an

723
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: elite guy in Sean Porter, on the highest level, and

724
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Speaker 4: if he can cut through him the way that Aero

725
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: Spence is saying that he will, and the way that

726
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: odds makers for such a great fight on paper are

727
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Speaker 4: really installing Spence as a monster favorite here he has

728
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: that chance. Maybe you argue, even if he blow sportter

729
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: away in three rounds. He's not your pomp for pound king,

730
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: but this is his first chance to really make that

731
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: statement in my eyes that I'm the best fighter in

732
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: the world. I'm separate from Crawford, I'm separate from Momachenko, Canelo,

733
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Speaker 4: Alexander Usik. You know these other guys right around the

734
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: Monster a new way in Japan. There's a strong group

735
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: of guys right now. This gives Spence that opportunity. This

736
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: gives him a chance to maybe really enter into a

737
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: third straight paper view fight against Pacio and really become

738
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Speaker 4: the star in the sport, not just ability wise, but

739
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: crossover wise. There was a reason why Mayweather put his

740
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: arm around Spence a couple of years ago and really

741
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: was like, this guy has next. There's an old sparring story,

742
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: by the way, when Spence was still an amateur.

743
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: Came out of jail in twenty twelve.

744
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: He's getting ready, he's not in shape, and Spence gave

745
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: it to him and Mayweather told Spence get out of

746
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: the ring, and he stood and said no, no, We're

747
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: going more. And that was sort of the moment where

748
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: people that word got around that this guy is for real.

749
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 4: He's done nothing wrong up to this point. And I

750
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: don't know if you followed the back and forth here,

751
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: but Spence from day one that this fight was announced

752
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I respect you, we're friends, but I'm

753
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: gonna knock your ass out. And that's what we want

754
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: and need out of an American star who says I

755
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: got next.

756
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Speaker 3: I want this, And that's no disrespect to.

757
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: Terrence Crawford, who looks like in all time great on

758
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: the other side of the street.

759
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Speaker 1: Then ho. So then there's the other part of the conversation,

760
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Speaker 1: which is it was interesting to watch Did you watch

761
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: any football yesterday on Fox?

762
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Speaker 2: Anything?

763
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Speaker 1: So you had Michael Strahan with Jimmy Lennon Junior doing

764
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Speaker 1: some kind of goofy ass promo for this PA review

765
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Speaker 1: that's coming up. Because here's the difference between UFC and

766
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Speaker 1: p Fox and well not PBC, but Fox does the

767
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Speaker 1: production for the PBC pay per views, so you're gonna see,

768
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Speaker 1: although are you like a boom boom man senior guy?

769
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Speaker 1: Where are you as a commentator? I don't know if

770
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Speaker 1: he's my favorite, but Lennox, Lewis and so forth and

771
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Speaker 1: some other ones. Anyway, they do the production form, so

772
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Speaker 1: they are doing a lot more in terms of trying

773
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Speaker 1: to sell it on their relevant other sports broadcast. So

774
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Speaker 1: you had this one yesterday with Michael Strahan as I mentioned,

775
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Speaker 1: and Jimmy Lennon Junior and some other ones. Okay, coming

776
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Speaker 1: off of that Mikey Garcia fight, what are you reasonably

777
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: expecting here? Because that one had a little bit of

778
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Speaker 1: like this is a great moment in boxing. It had

779
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Speaker 1: a little bit of like pay per view intrigue as

780
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Speaker 1: well for what Fox could reasonably do. We're a little

781
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Speaker 1: bit past that point now where Okay, you're selling me

782
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: an interesting fight. You're showing me a fight with great

783
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: stakes remberly for that Wiltterway division, but for pound for

784
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: pound ostensibly as well Can Pence or excuse me, can

785
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Speaker 1: Can Can Spence or or Porter Poole on pay per

786
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Speaker 1: view in a way that is commendable.

787
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Speaker 4: At this point, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be

788
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Speaker 4: tough having that.

789
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Speaker 2: This give me a number.

790
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Speaker 4: Look NFL seasons back, so you're hearing what they got

791
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: the in the full engine is pushing to try to

792
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: push this fight. I think this fight has potential to

793
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: certainly do less than a therm and Pacquiao because of

794
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: sub fifty. You know, certainly maybe even do less than

795
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: a Spence Garcilla. Let's not forget Mike RC is a

796
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: very popular Mexican American fighter, has that that backbone of

797
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: that fan base. There is potential that this maybe doesn't

798
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: move giant. Although Fox and PBC have done the right things,

799
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: put the right promotional vehicles in place. I host one

800
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: of those with the face to face show. I think

801
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: if it can do I think if it can do

802
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: in that three to four area, it would be considered

803
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: a success. But I think you're also stamping once again,

804
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: especially if Spence wins, that this is the next guy.

805
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Speaker 2: This is this is serious, this is this is a

806
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: tough fight.

807
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: In other words, you're saying for Spence, but what it

808
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: really also is is an investment as a promotional figure

809
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: for the future. Right you get this one on this platform.

810
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Maybe this one doesn't draw, but the subsequent ones could

811
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Speaker 1: be provided to the right matchup at the right time.

812
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: It takes a couple of times to put somebody in

813
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: front of the eyes of the casual, the crossover. That's

814
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: how you build big pay per view numbers. And this

815
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: is the right, steady way to do it now. Look,

816
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: a lot of people are gonna look at the odds

817
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: and say, Wow, it's just really going to be a fight.

818
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: Porter is elite. Okay, he does one thing better than

819
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: anyone else in the game wall people at an elite

820
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: level because he's got the explosion, he's got the speed,

821
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: and he's got the power.

822
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: He's like a running back. He's like a football player

823
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: inside the ring.

824
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: We've never seen Spence to have to deal with that

825
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: pressure mauling, borderline dirty style before at this level. That's

826
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: the intrigue from a stylistic standpoint. But one thing to

827
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: remember we watched Spence Mikey Garcia. Mike Garcia went the distance,

828
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: but he got dominated Spence afterwards is like, look, I

829
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: did that for a reason. Everyone said coming in that

830
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: Mike's gonna out box me, that he's smarter than me,

831
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 4: that he's got better technique. So I showed you how

832
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: I can dominate him from distance and really not let

833
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: him get a punch off. He switched gears now for

834
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: this fight and said I'm gonna show you what I

835
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: can do walking a guy down and getting rid of

836
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: him if he is as good Luke as the words

837
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: coming out of his mouth, he may be even better

838
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: than we think he is. We have a situation now

839
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: with Eryl Spence on one side, Terrence Crawford on the

840
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: other where I think you have your Leonard Hearns of

841
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: the modern era. Of course, Leonard and Hearns fought and that,

842
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: you know nineteen eighty one Walter Waite summit. We have

843
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: that these are two special, potential all time great guys.

844
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 4: If Spence can come out of this fight, come out

845
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: of this PBC bracket on top, I think that Spence

846
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: Crawford fight down the road really has made weather packet protection.

847
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: All right, So let's keep it with boxing.

848
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: So this past week, I believe it was in Los Angeles,

849
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez and Sergei Kovalev had a face off. And

850
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: during the course of this face off, yes I can't talk,

851
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: what's camera, I'm looking at y'uring. In the course of

852
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: this face off, it was it was noticeable that Canelo Alvarez,

853
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: who's not a small man by any stretch, a natural middleweight,

854
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I suppose h just looked absolutely dwarfed next to Sergei

855
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: koval But here was the funny part about this. Brian

856
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Campbell I posted that on my Instagram, and I looked

857
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: at the comments. Generally there were some people who being like, wow,

858
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: what would because I had said that Canelo was daring

859
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: to be great? So and what I noticed was there

860
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: was a real challenge to that narrative. So there's two

861
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: narratives to this fight. One is he's it's the Golden

862
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: Boy narrative, which I think is has got some look.

863
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Golden Boy's going to say whatever they need to sell

864
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Speaker 1: a but I don't think they're saying lies per se.

865
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Speaker 1: What they say Canelo is daring to be great by

866
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Speaker 1: going up too weight classes at light heavyweight to take

867
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Speaker 1: on cerge kval Lev. On the other hand, you know

868
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: what I did see, and I gotta be honest, it

869
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: kind of surprised me. They were saying Canelo, what he

870
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: really should be doing is fighting Triple G a third time.

871
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: And what he's doing is he's avoiding Triple G because

872
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: he wants to get somebody who's washed.

873
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Ostensibly in this case coval Lev.

874
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: Yes, it's up to weight classes, but he's getting at

875
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: a point in his screer where he's coming off that

876
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: tough fight against the Yard, and he's just a little

877
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: bit long in the tooth generally. So the question is,

878
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: is there is there something to be said for this

879
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: push by Canelo that is, if not disreputable, this is

880
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: not the direction he should be going. I have to

881
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: tell you I find it totally and utterly baffling. Look,

882
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm not suggesting that Canelos has never

883
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: benefited from.

884
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: The judges seeing things his way.

885
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: In fact, I've never seen a fighter in MMA or

886
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: boxing who just finds himself on the right side of

887
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: the scorecard single time.

888
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: And when tom Way against Mayweather, in which I thought

889
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: he lost eleven rounds to one, and that one was generous,

890
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: Let's not forget cd Ross gave him six, right, I.

891
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: Understand and and and and other fights as well. You

892
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: look at some of the scorecards against ERISLNDI.

893
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: LA thought Laura beat him. I thought Beam as well.

894
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: I thought close.

895
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: Jane was a little bit dicey, but still to your point,

896
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: he just keeps coming up roses. Okay, So that first fight,

897
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: to me, I thought triple g one. The second one

898
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I did not. I thought Canelo won that one fairly convincing. Again,

899
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: both of them were close, both of them are both

900
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: of them were epic The issue is not that I

901
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: don't want to see a third one with Triple G.

902
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the fans are complaining about. I

903
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: know what Canelo was saying, which is, I'm done with

904
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: this chapter.

905
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: It's over.

906
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: You talk to everybody else in boxing, including the promoters,

907
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: They're like, no, it's not over at all. Why not

908
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: take a detour, as risky as it might be and

909
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: become the third person to be able to do what

910
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: Canelo has done and going up those two weight classes

911
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: to make boxing history. Even if the argument is that

912
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: Kovi Lev is coming off of a tough fight in

913
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: recency and is a little bit long in the tooth, generally.

914
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: You're spotting the guy too weight classes.

915
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: He looked like his big brother in there, so to me,

916
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: the argument that he's ducking a guy he's already fought

917
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: twenty four rounds with which again, I know Triple G

918
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: is getting a little bit older.

919
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: He's a little bit longer than the twoth himself, so

920
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: the clock is ticking.

921
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the argument.

922
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: If you think the last thing on this is he

923
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: fought Triple G two different ways, once getting backed up

924
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: and then once backing him up it's not like he

925
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: doesn't like it. Wasn't like two times he eked by

926
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: on the guy. He made adjustments the second time. The

927
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: only point being is, while I have intrigue for a

928
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: third fight with Triple G, and I would love to

929
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: see it, and I really truly hope that it happens.

930
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: The idea that this is some I don't know, effortless

931
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: detour to rack up a win that is meaningless against

932
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: a guy who really doesn't have it anymore, this is

933
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: just a demonstrably false narrative being pushed by people who

934
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: think he got lucky the first time on the scorecards,

935
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: and maybe he did. It doesn't make covid Lev washed,

936
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make this a bullshit detour because it's not.

937
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 4: No. And look, if it was anybody else but cove Lev,

938
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: you could make the argument. If it was Dimitrius Andre,

939
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: if it was Sergey dari Vnschenko, which they weren't talking,

940
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: you could say, look, I get it, you're you know

941
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: you're gonna unify with these other guys, But Triple G

942
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: is the fight fans want. Canello's argument had been I

943
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: don't like the guy, I don't know him anything and

944
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: more importantly, I'm chasing history. Triple G doesn't have a

945
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: belt right now, Hey, go out and get a belt,

946
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 4: which Triple G is now doing. He'll fight Dervin Chenkaw

947
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 4: on October fifth in a great fight on the zone.

948
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: And now you know this is the when you when

949
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: you're gonna not fight Triple G because you got issues

950
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: with him and you don't want to give him that

951
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: pay day. And you're still pissed at him for saying

952
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: that you've got, you know, needle marks on your arm

953
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: from the steroids and all that. And you know that

954
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 4: Dozon's pissed off at you because they wanted the Triple

955
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: G fight. You're on promoter and all that. But then

956
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 4: you go and say, I don't move up two weight classes.

957
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fight cove Lev is a little bit washy,

958
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: which makes it a little you know, interesting, but it's

959
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: still two weight classes with no catchweight. Hey, guess what

960
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: Canol learned from Floyd? He knows how to be in

961
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 4: a side. He's not doing what everybody in history has done.

962
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: When Floyd moved up to fight Canlo, it made him

963
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: come to down two pounds. When De la Joya moved

964
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: up to fight Bernard Hopkins, he made him come down

965
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 4: two pounds. When Manny moved up to fight Oscar, he

966
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: made him come down. And wait, everyone has made them happen.

967
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 4: When you're the A side and you're the star and

968
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: you're moving up, it's always a crutch you take, you

969
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: know what. Covi Liv's trainer, Buddy mcgurt said, thank you

970
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: Canelo for having the balls to do this.

971
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: The right way.

972
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 4: Amen. You can say what you want about Canelo, but

973
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: he's proven us that he's arguably the best fighter in

974
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: the sport. He's certainly our sport's biggest star right now

975
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: on a crossover and global level. With Anthony Joshua kind

976
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: of being dimmed from that loss, and this is a

977
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: tough ass fight, I think that you can call the sacrilege.

978
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a little bit too reactory to the DZ

979
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: Model Express or just spit on you.

980
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: A lot of fluids coming out. Not the first time

981
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: I'll clean up on an aisle right now.

982
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: I'm actually more intrigued by Kanelo Kovlev overall than I

983
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: am by DS modsmed for a lot of different ways. Yes,

984
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: covid Lev's after market right now, but good lord, I'm

985
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: still powerful and strong, which justifies the point you're making completely.

986
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I'm not suggesting he's not older. What

987
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: the point is that he's done like he's Kermit Centron

988
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: and his last round or something.

989
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: That's not what's happened.

990
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 4: That's not what happened here. And look what Canelo maned

991
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: up finding. He may walk through him, go to the

992
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: body like you did against Rocky Fielding, and look, Covele

993
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: is punch resistant. Is that the resistance is not the

994
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: same that it was. But he he might walk through

995
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: him like like a hot knife, or he may get

996
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: hit with that jab over and over again and realize

997
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: my power at one seventy five is not what it

998
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: is at one sixty. We haven't look right now. Canelo

999
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: Covelev is not only more intriguing to me than Diez Mosvitl,

1000
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: who is a fight I have to see, but it's

1001
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: more intriguing to me than Triple G Canelo because the

1002
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 4: three Because the only reason you really want to see

1003
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: that is if you're either a huge Triple G fan

1004
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: or you're a guy like me who scored both fights

1005
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: for Triple G and believed overall, How does he come

1006
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: out of those two great all time action fights without

1007
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: you know, scorecards in his direction. If you want to

1008
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: see him, try to get a chance to write that wrong.

1009
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: You want to see that third fight. Plus it would

1010
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: deliver for everyone financially and entertainment wise. But this is

1011
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: a fight that extends what Canelo has already done historically.

1012
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 4: It potentially extends his legacy in a way that's not cheap.

1013
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: Cove lev is still an active champion who just out

1014
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 4: boxy Lotter Alvarez after getting knocked out by him, still

1015
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: got it.

1016
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: To a certain level. Talk about his balls?

1017
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 4: Would you last last time I tried to talk about

1018
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 4: his satchel, you tried to speed me out of this show.

1019
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: Jay was in your ear.

1020
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 4: Sit here and talk about.

1021
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Finally Jay is shutting his mouth today. This is the

1022
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: best day of my life. Two points I would like

1023
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: to make about this. It's not this is The situations

1024
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: are in no way identical. However, what was one thing

1025
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier was able to do absent John Jones being around?

1026
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: He was able to go to heavyweight.

1027
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes, he recaptured the light heavyweight tttle, but forget about

1028
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: that for a moment. He carved his own path he

1029
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: went up to heavyweight, and I know he recently lost

1030
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: to steeve A, but the first time they faced each

1031
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: other he won. It was a level of sporting accomplishment

1032
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with a rival that it

1033
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: was just all his own. Now maybe Steep ends up

1034
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: being a new rival because of this now new shared history.

1035
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out, Yes, Canello got the better of Triple G.

1036
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Whether he should have or shouldn't have, but he did.

1037
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: But still pivoting towards Covalev. It's another way to say,

1038
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: I have these different parts of my resume that should matter.

1039
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I don't have to keep going back to the well.

1040
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: I really kind of appreciate that. Second, it really is true.

1041
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: More money will problems more at tension. Right, going through

1042
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: and seeing what folks are saying about Canelo, Oh, well,

1043
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: the he better have some Mexican tacos this time, you

1044
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: fools he got.

1045
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: I had someone say he popped for steroids. No he didn't.

1046
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: He popped for Clem butterol. And this is the situation

1047
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: Clem butroll in Mexico. It is such a problem with

1048
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: tainted meat. You have youth players in Mexico. The NFL

1049
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: sent on a warning to their athletes in the off season. Yo,

1050
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: if you go to Mexico, please be careful with what

1051
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: you eat there in terms of the beef off the street,

1052
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: whatever however you consume it. It is a contamination, is

1053
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: an absolutely real issue. And my suggesting to you that

1054
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: he is some innocent butterfly that the world has misunderstood. No,

1055
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: but here's what I am saying. He has absolute, unequivocal, scientific,

1056
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: plausible deniability. They're trying to find every any little crack

1057
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: in the in the in the armor to say that

1058
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: this guy is some kind of fraud. It's the hyperbole

1059
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Brian around him. Oh, he's ducking triple.

1060
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 4: I'm arguing that.

1061
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm just asking you to talk about the bold right now.

1062
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: It's enormous. He's got balls like hippity hops. He's going

1063
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: to walk to the or he's going to bounce his

1064
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: way into the goddamn ring in a way that's just

1065
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: going to be impressive to all of us. I'm gonna

1066
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: think he has some kind of elephantias disease. Even are

1067
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: you going to handle that night?

1068
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: For you as a journalist and a fan, there's a

1069
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 4: lot going on two screens.

1070
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to have up the BMF belt fight and

1071
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: then for the light heavyweight Donker on the other.

1072
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: Side, you I'll be there in Las Vegas for Canelo.

1073
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: I got to see this and I'm so glad. Oh

1074
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: you know what, I might go to New York for

1075
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: the BMF.

1076
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: One because it's not how do you not go there?

1077
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: Come on, brot like true.

1078
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: By the way, I think Dan is failing not along

1079
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: the BMFIC belt to continue.

1080
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: That's my personal Well, have different obversation for a different

1081
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: time real quickly, very quickly. Ryan Garcia, who had huge

1082
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: issues that the up and coming next star essentially in boxing,

1083
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: certainly with Golden Boy, had huge issues with the promotion,

1084
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: tells them off on social media.

1085
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I think the tweets are still.

1086
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: Up, by the way, with Canelo retweeting them, by the way,

1087
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: because they share the.

1088
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Caring Oscar to do something about it.

1089
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: By the way, a famous attorney, essentially for athletes in

1090
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: boxing can feel like they've been done wrong and then

1091
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, By the way, I had Oscar

1092
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: on my show and he didn't tell me the news.

1093
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: That was so mad.

1094
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: I asked him, like, do you have problems with your

1095
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: athletes because we're coming off the whole Canelos matt a

1096
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: golden Boy. Now Ryan Garcia is mad a golden Boy.

1097
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Ryan Garcia gets a new contract.

1098
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: He's in the co main event of Canelo versus covialv Yo.

1099
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm not the inmates are running the asylum over at

1100
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: Golden Boy.

1101
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: There they are.

1102
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: This is on the one hand, it's smart of Golden

1103
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: Boy because they really had no hand to play here.

1104
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it shows they had no hand

1105
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: to play their weakness as an institution relative to some

1106
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: of their sinees. There is a huge imbalance, even relative

1107
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: to let's say somebody over at top rank and what

1108
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: they can do and say to Bob Aaron.

1109
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: Well, because this was a unique situation for all the

1110
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 4: top prospects that may have next in boxing, Luke, we're

1111
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: talking about they're all around the weight class, by the way,

1112
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: the same weight, we're all around lightweight. You got like

1113
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 4: a Devin Haney, a tail Fema Lipez junior, that class

1114
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: of guy. Ryan Garcia is in that class, but he's

1115
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: by far the least test. He's by far the one

1116
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: who you look at and says, oh, that guy's definitely

1117
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: going to be a world champion for a decade. The

1118
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: most popular, but he's the most popular. That's why it's unique.

1119
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: He's got three million Instagram followers. He's out there impregnating fans.

1120
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's happening right now. He's in them dms

1121
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: and they're sloppy. I asked him to see it. He

1122
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 4: said no, by the way. But the whole point is

1123
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 4: what Golden Boy's paying for right now is his stardom,

1124
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: because he's like, look, I'm the one promoting my fights.

1125
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: I've got more of a reach than you, guys. Do

1126
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 3: you need to pay me like I'm a star?

1127
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: And if you see the release that came out in

1128
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: the quotes, now we didn't see the details, we know

1129
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 4: it's a multi fight deal in which Golden Boy's saying

1130
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: it's the most in history ever given to a prospect.

1131
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 4: This is Golden Boy really doubling down on Garcia's future,

1132
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: even though just a week before, on his own, Oscar

1133
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: de Lajoy gave an interview while they were battling where

1134
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: he kind of ripped Ryan Garcia and was like, look,

1135
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: in my day, man, I'm fighting anybody. I'm just fighting.

1136
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: Maybe guys aren't wired like that today, So it makes

1137
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 4: me wonder how much of them throwing the boat at Garcia,

1138
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: who's in camp with Canelo, was also about trying to

1139
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: make sure everything's good with Canalo and that we're all

1140
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: a good moving forward. It's interesting they went all in

1141
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: on Rye guy. I'm not saying that King Rai doesn't

1142
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: have the potential if factor, but we don't know if

1143
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 4: he has the backbone of a of a other pretty

1144
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: boy named Oscar de la Hoya, a guy who brought

1145
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 4: all the women to the fights but then could still

1146
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: knock dudes out and win in advance. Ryan Garcia now

1147
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: has even more of a bullseye and a target on him.

1148
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: He gets a co main event pay per view slot

1149
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: against a guy who's calling him out. But the guy

1150
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name. That's how unproven the guy

1151
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 4: is that he's going to fight in that fight.

1152
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting how this plays out.

1153
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: Luke three million followers can't be wrong, though he certainly can't.

1154
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: He played his cards well to get the money right now.

1155
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: He led me to the Canelo situation.

1156
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: De la Hoya was over a barrel.

1157
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: Just just the mere appearance of you losing your grasp

1158
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: on your top star in boxing and certainly in your stable.

1159
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: And then the potentially the next big thing is certainly

1160
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: a popular attraction, and both of them are beefing with

1161
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: you and then aligned against you. You have no choice

1162
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: if he had to show it. It just shows how

1163
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: weak Golden Boys institution.

1164
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: To Roger here and Oscar go out afterwards a party action.

1165
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 2: No, we certainly didn't.

1166
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: But but speaking of parties coming our way, you have

1167
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: SC two forty three. By the way, it's just two

1168
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: weeks away. I know the next fight on the calendar

1169
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: is UFC Copenhagen, but let's be real, I don't know

1170
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: how you feel about this, Brian to me, UFC two

1171
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: forty three's main event, the title unification at middleweight between

1172
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: Israel Atasanya and Robert Whittaker for me personally, for me personally,

1173
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: is the most interesting fight that's been booked this year.

1174
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Uh anyway, class in mixed martial arts. I absolutely love

1175
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: this fight, and I was thinking, like, what really stands

1176
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: out to me about this fight?

1177
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Like why do I love it so much? There's a

1178
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: bunch of different ways.

1179
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion as well on this one,

1180
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: I shall say the following one simply the cleanliness of

1181
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: the bout. We had this situation where the title was

1182
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be unified a long time ago after GSP

1183
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: dropped it, and of course you had Whitaker was supposed

1184
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: to defend it against Gaslin, but then.

1185
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: He drops out.

1186
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: There's just been two titles floating around, this uncertain You've

1187
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: been floating around, frankly for years, literally quite literally years

1188
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: at this point about who was the champion. Was sant

1189
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Pierre gonna fight Whitaker?

1190
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: Before that Bisbee had hijacked that title and he suddenly

1191
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: in London, Dan.

1192
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: I get it.

1193
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of just who is the

1194
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: best guy at middleweight and should he fight the next

1195
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: best guy? Because I've told Michael you gotta go fight

1196
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: you all Rameira, I.

1197
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: Blame Luke Rockold for all this uncertainty, by the way,

1198
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 4: keep going.

1199
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, the point being is we finally get the

1200
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: cleanliness of putting that behind us. It just shows, by

1201
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: the way, that when a fighter leaves a weight class

1202
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: or gets stripped of a title and has to give

1203
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: a title back or whatever the mechanism is, that is

1204
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: bad for that weight class. It takes a long time

1205
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: to undo that damage. We just undid the damage at

1206
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: UFC two forty two at lightweight with a similar kind

1207
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: of circumstance. That's the first one i'd say. The second

1208
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: one i'd say is you can pick either fighter here, right.

1209
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: These are just the best that MMA has to offer.

1210
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: You have two guys Brian Campbell in their youth, but

1211
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: their prime as well, so they're not too young to

1212
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: be like It's not like how Rodriguezho's still on the

1213
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: come up. Both of these guys are fully mature physical talents.

1214
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: They have the best that EMMA has to offer, not

1215
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: necessarily in every department, but as well rounded talents or

1216
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: literally both championship caliber. It's showing the development of overseas markets.

1217
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm gonna focus on Otto sign here

1218
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: for just this one case. You could focus on Robert Whitaker,

1219
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: whoever you'd like to for me to watch somebody. I

1220
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: went back and I watched all of his old fights

1221
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: from the the are in Fight Pass, even his old

1222
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Glory kickboxing fights.

1223
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't fight in kickboxing.

1224
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: I know it's a different sport, but it's striking and

1225
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: kickboxing is not the same as it is now, his

1226
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: wrestling has just gotten dramatically, dramatically improved in such record time.

1227
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: For me, if he goes and beats Robert Whitaker, it

1228
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: not only solidifies him as the best middleweight in the world.

1229
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: To me, it puts him on not the top, but

1230
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: certainly makes them in a conversation for pound for pound,

1231
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: it would be in a what would it be a

1232
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: eighteen month something like that scenario, sixteen eighteen month scenario

1233
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: that it would be the most rapid development I've ever

1234
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: seen of any fighter ever to watch.

1235
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: More than John Jones that leap he made with the

1236
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: quick fights when he went from you know, contender to

1237
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: I don't think.

1238
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: He started as far back.

1239
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: He had such great wrestling base, and he actually kind

1240
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: of changed as a fighter in a more simplified way,

1241
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: whereas I feel like out of signing has added a

1242
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: little bit of tools at both have added tools, but

1243
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: there's been a bit of a refinement with John, whereas

1244
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: there was this let's give Batman more tricks kind of

1245
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: thing with aut A Sonya. Any no matter which way

1246
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: you want to slice it, MMA fights don't come around.

1247
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: Like this very often.

1248
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: They are very very very rare soak this one in

1249
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: because there's a million ways to dissect it.

1250
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: What do you like about him?

1251
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the fight's going to be great for

1252
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: so many different reasons. In watching at Asnja go through

1253
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: hell against Gastolm and stan Firm and you look at

1254
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: what's Whitaker's greatest skill. He's a well rounded guy who

1255
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: will stand in that pit with you and will dig

1256
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 4: in and walk through ten rounds a hell against Romero

1257
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: and stay standing. So you want the potential for you know,

1258
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: go or in action and two guys giving their heart

1259
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: and soul. This is maybe, to back you, the best

1260
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: fight on paper we could see, but for me, it's

1261
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: out of Signya's true crossover star potential. We always try

1262
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: to groom guys and say this guy could be the

1263
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: next big star, but certain guys don't really have all

1264
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: the tools. They don't have the real it if he

1265
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: wins this fight. I mean, this is the toughest possible

1266
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 4: test outside of some circus fight with John Jones that

1267
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 4: you could book for Autasnya. He comes out of here

1268
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: as a global superstar with the ties and the Oceanic

1269
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: reason region, the ties in Africa and the right sense

1270
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: as a marketable force, a confidence, sort of crossover guy

1271
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: that he's really not yet been unleashed on the masses

1272
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: in terms of what he can do in interviews, catchphrases,

1273
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: talking a mile a minute, the connection to the video

1274
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: game culture, everything he can do. This is like the

1275
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 4: ultimate critical opportunity in beating Whittaker, but I think it

1276
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: could launch him into the ultimate commercial opportunity, and not

1277
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: just in the States, but worldwide. He gives you the

1278
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: feels of a young Anderson Silva in some ways of

1279
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: the flashy stylistic the way he approaches the fights. But

1280
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: even on Andy's best day, I mean he back trusted me,

1281
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 4: he back, but he couldn't speak, he couldn't talk.

1282
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: He people respect even in Portuguese. He didn't have that

1283
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: same kind of.

1284
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: And you had the reverence in respect for the way

1285
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: that he took on the job and all that. But

1286
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: Adasanya has next level trash talk, fun talk. I mean,

1287
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: he could do it all. Luke, this really could be

1288
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: the next real big thing in the UFC. And if

1289
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: he gets by Whittaker, I'm not saying there wouldn't be

1290
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: any other tough challenges for him. I mean, could God

1291
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 4: Paul Acosta. Romero's not going anywhere, but this is such

1292
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: a big hurdle that you know, if he gets by

1293
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: this guy, he could be ruling this division for a while.

1294
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Speaker 1: I certainly agree with all of that. Let me just

1295
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: add one note about Robert Whittakers. The folks don't think

1296
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: we're forgetting about him. Robert Whittaker is a special talent.

1297
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: His coach came out and said he's an improved version

1298
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: essentially of GSP. No, now you might scoff at that comparison,

1299
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: you might like it. Let me just lend some credibility

1300
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: to it. I don't know that I agree with that,

1301
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: because I think some of that still a little bit unproven.

1302
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: GSP such a known, established, credentialed commodity. Robert Whitaker has

1303
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: been off for a little while, right, so that's also

1304
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: part of the story too. But what I would say,

1305
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Brian is people don't realize this. In twenty fifteen, he

1306
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: got so good at wrestling he went to the Australian

1307
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: National Championships and won it not once but twice, to

1308
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: the point where he actually won a seat on the

1309
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: wrestling team for the Commonwealth Games. The Commonwealth Games are

1310
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: all essentially, who are all the donks who got colonized

1311
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: by the British right, But it's a lot of its countries.

1312
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: It's Canada, it's India, it's Australia.

1313
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: It's a lot.

1314
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I think there's fifty three different territories that compete. And

1315
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: now he had to give up that seat in order

1316
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: to keep his title and defend it, so he had

1317
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: to give it away. But the point being is who

1318
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: gets good enough in their off time to go and

1319
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: compete in freestyle wrestling? Because you got so good through

1320
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: MMA that you could take that to the sport, you

1321
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: know what the answer is, He didn't do it, but

1322
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: everyone around him said he could have.

1323
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre. Saint Pierre was the guy who was taking.

1324
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Down Division one wrestlers, who was beating everyone at their

1325
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: own game, even though he had never competed in it before.

1326
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: So is Whitaker the next Saint Pierre? I guess we'll

1327
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: have to see. I don't know if that's really true

1328
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: just yet. However, that that ability, and again you can say, well,

1329
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: how good are the the The Australians are wrestling not

1330
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: so great?

1331
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: You know who is pretty good? The Indians are pretty

1332
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: good and that's part of that tournament as well.

1333
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: He would have gone to compete against them and just

1334
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: to be that credentialed having never competed in it before

1335
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: until you got to MMA. It's it's astounding, is really

1336
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: what it is.

1337
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: So there we go. All right, enough of our gibbering

1338
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: and jabbering for our agreed upon topics. Now we have

1339
00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: to get to yours. It is.

1340
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm now for DMS with donks. This is where you

1341
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: send us a question and we get to let me

1342
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: pull up.

1343
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: With good this week. All right, give me these donks.

1344
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: Let's see.

1345
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go. All right, this comes to us

1346
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: from TJ nine seven eights. What non combat athlete do

1347
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: you give the best shot at being successful in NIME?

1348
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: Does that mean like alive athletes?

1349
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: I guess it means current pro sports team athletes?

1350
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1351
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: Which where would you go and tell me why? Of course.

1352
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I mean that's you're

1353
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: catching me off guard here, which I mean you'd have

1354
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: to go into the NFL, right, you'd have to go

1355
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: to get the the size and the explosion and the speed.

1356
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: Did you see harden?

1357
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 4: And uh, oh my god?

1358
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: And let's face hit in the bag.

1359
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: We should get that in a viral video segment this week.

1360
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 4: Good lord, that was pathetic looking. I think you'd have

1361
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: to go. I mean, look, we've you know, it's often

1362
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: been said by the late Bert Sugar that Whar's the

1363
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: great next great American heavyweight. He's playing linebacker for the Ravens,

1364
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: So I think that would potentially cross over to MMA

1365
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: the same way. I mean, really, to be honest with you,

1366
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 4: some of these NFL guys are the best athletes in

1367
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: the world. You're telling me you can't take a linebacker

1368
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: and tournament into an insanely good Christian.

1369
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: McCaffrey is a running back. Would you take him? He

1370
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: had a seventy six year old run this past weekend.

1371
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: I would take.

1372
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a Gronk at his prime, you know, not now,

1373
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: not not Goronk, post eighty thousand concussions.

1374
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: But that'd be a good one, I think. Yeah. Let

1375
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: me think in other sports. God, there's some of these dudes.

1376
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: I know you don't care about this, but right now

1377
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: it's the world Winlisting Championships.

1378
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: Dude.

1379
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: Some of these guys in the eighty three kilo class,

1380
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: some of these Chinese lifters, Oh my Godjoki, that's strongly

1381
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: and that's different. This is an Olympic sport. Thinkle Berry.

1382
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: Hey, Antonio Brown's free gave up the NFL, Maybe he

1383
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: can cross up dude.

1384
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: You know what, how how long before the UFC signs

1385
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: Antonio Brown? Oh my god, he's passed his issues. Guys,

1386
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: he's passed his issues.

1387
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go somebody like that, somebody who like

1388
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: some sort of skill position player.

1389
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: I suppose do you have no favorite NFL player right now?

1390
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: I'm really we like to I'm a little bit off

1391
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 4: day to day NFL the last couple here. I mean, dude,

1392
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: when you get so immersed in the fight game, as

1393
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 4: you know, I cover man boxing, but then when you

1394
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: add in pro wrestling, I know, to you it's like

1395
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 4: gross porn, like who has time for it? But it's

1396
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 4: it's like double the amount of time you need to invest.

1397
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 4: So I really can watch all three fight sports and

1398
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: like shows with the wife, sports shows with the wife

1399
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: to keep that fresh and going sports, and really, uh,

1400
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: there's not much time left after that, Luca.

1401
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: I have to show you on Twitter the steps I

1402
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: take to eliminate pro wrestling from my thread, from my

1403
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: my feed, the amount of infestation from you circus clowns

1404
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: putting that all my feed I have to go through. Seriously,

1405
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, it's like some of y'all like to

1406
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: drink from the water hose out in the backyard.

1407
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: I like to drink.

1408
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it would be different, Luke, if you were

1409
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 4: this like cultured man with an ascot and a and

1410
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 4: a taste for fine wine.

1411
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: But then I would I do have a taste for fund.

1412
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: You listen to like exploding animals or metal and uh and.

1413
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: Watch jiu jitsu tournaments around the gal Well, sorry I

1414
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: didn't go see the cucks and the betas this weekend

1415
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: at the local venue. All right, let's go to when

1416
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: is the UFC going to re engineer the gloves to

1417
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: stop ipokes? These gloves can easily be redesigned to prevent

1418
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: fighters from spreading their fingers, as comes to us from.

1419
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: At Rocky Back.

1420
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: I said a lot of talk on that on Twitter

1421
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: after the Jeremy Stevens ipoke from Yaya Rodriguez.

1422
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: What would change for the gloves?

1423
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: Would you put webbing in there? I mean I think so.

1424
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to it, but do you

1425
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: remember years ago Biorn Revenue introduced a glove. It was

1426
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: made by Everlast and Beltore was going to use it.

1427
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: I think they got rid of it. It's called the

1428
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: power lock technology. Did you ever see this? So what

1429
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: it essentially did was, if you look at the hand,

1430
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: it might have a little bit of natural curvature. They

1431
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: were going to force it to go like this, so

1432
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: you could still grip. You could obviously make a fist

1433
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: to punch, but you might have trouble fully.

1434
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: Extending the hand.

1435
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever happened to the power lock glove.

1436
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: I think you could still buy them on I think

1437
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: i'd checked like a year ago. You could still buy them,

1438
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: but Belatore gave them up for their blue and red

1439
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: that they had borrowed from Strike Force once Scott Coker

1440
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: came over. To my knowledge, the UFC is not interested

1441
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: in this technology, even though they've had very sponsorship agreements

1442
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: with ever Last in the past. The answer is, I

1443
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: don't really know, and I never really got a clean answer.

1444
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: The UFC doesn't do when it comes to like athlete

1445
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: health and wellness with a performance institute. They do so

1446
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: much in the way of innovation. You have to give

1447
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: them tons of credit. But in terms of like changing

1448
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: rules in MMA, they seem to.

1449
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: Be like, well, I've been thinking about in theory, there's

1450
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: not much you can do. But I do think a

1451
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: pass Is that really true? But I do think a

1452
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: penalty for someone that hits an ipoke, just to put

1453
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: a baseline in there of like, Okay, even though it's

1454
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: an accident, I did this, I have potential to lose

1455
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: this fight.

1456
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: Right, but that but that would do you no good

1457
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: in the case of Stevens versus wouldn't.

1458
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: But I think you have to go even deeper and

1459
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 4: really just retrain fighters from the very beginning. It would

1460
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: take years to get this point where you can't you

1461
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 4: can't wave your hands at strikes. You can't try to

1462
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 4: block and catch things with your fingers extended into a

1463
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 4: guy's face as he ducks in.

1464
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: You're going to have that problem.

1465
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: It has to be.

1466
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: I think there's gotta be some sort of penalty in there.

1467
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: If you spread out your hands.

1468
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: The power logs, see what forces your hand over a

1469
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: little bit and it still has the same shape. Here's

1470
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: the other problem that I don't trust anything Vire and

1471
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: Revenue at this point. Not everything he did was bad,

1472
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: but here's the other point about this. It's a series

1473
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: of compounding problems. So one of the problems is the

1474
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: glove technology might be inferior. The other problem is you

1475
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: noted it want not take a point. Well, referees don't

1476
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: want to take a point because taking a point is

1477
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: so consequential consequential excuse me in the ten point must system.

1478
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: So now you have the problem of the bad glove

1479
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: technology ostensibly with bad scoring criteria which forces referee in action.

1480
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: Are what percentage of ipokes in the UFC do you

1481
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 4: think are completely random or our manual error? It's someone

1482
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: stretching out their hand with the fingers exposed to perry

1483
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: a punch to blockage.

1484
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: That's not the right question to ask. You're asking what

1485
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: is the what is the difference? How much of a

1486
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: percentage of it is negligence? Yes, I would say the

1487
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: majority is negligence.

1488
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1489
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: So that's not intentionality. But there has to be a.

1490
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 4: Little bit of a re education. I mean, look in

1491
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 4: the NFL, they're doing that at the youth levels. They're

1492
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 4: teaching how to tackle differently, so you're not going, you know,

1493
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 4: helmet to helmet and in really trying to turn back

1494
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 4: generations of dangerous So.

1495
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: The rule they teach is that what they want you

1496
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: to do is instead of extending your hand like this

1497
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: like your Senator Palpatine shooting lasers out or whatever it's,

1498
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: they want.

1499
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: You to go like that called sith lightning.

1500
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: I think something like that.

1501
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: So they want to put they want you to put

1502
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: your hand so fingertips to the sky. But who it's like,

1503
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: it's like we're playing Patty Cake or give me a

1504
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: weird super white high five or something like.

1505
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they really want to do that. It

1506
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't really talk.

1507
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: About warnings for extending your your fingers out.

1508
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: And I want to look people laugh at this. I

1509
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: don't know why people laugh. I thought it was one

1510
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: of the best things. Probably did we need a yellow

1511
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: one a red card system? We need a yellow in

1512
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: a red card system because partly you could take points

1513
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: with that. You could take somebody's money as well, ten

1514
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: percent of their purse for the yellow card. That way,

1515
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily affect the scoring totals, and it still

1516
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: incentivizes some kind of change. And by the way, maybe

1517
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't work either, but at least they'd.

1518
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 4: Be trying fighter goggles. You're not into that.

1519
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Not into the fighter goggles. Les can get smashed. Bucko.

1520
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the next one. Uh oh,

1521
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: this want's to go. Good for you, Brian.

1522
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: Do you think andre Ward comes back to fight Canelo

1523
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: if he beats Covil? This comes to us from at

1524
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: Brad h d Oof.

1525
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 4: I brought a youth.

1526
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1527
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: All right, Well, it's interesting. Now andre Ward, the retired

1528
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 4: former Pomp for pound king, now the commentator went out

1529
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: on his own terms at age thirty three. I think

1530
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: he's about like thirty five.

1531
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: Now.

1532
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: There's a lot of talk and he's been fielding these

1533
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 4: interviews publicly about you know, what would happen. Canello moves

1534
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: up to your way class, he beatskov Lev, your big rival,

1535
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 4: would you fight him? I still don't believe that's a

1536
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 4: chance Canelo would want to take. And I know there's

1537
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: been people that argue me on this and they say,

1538
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 4: well he's already moving up to fight Canelo or to

1539
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: fight Kovi Lev. Why Well, look, andre Ward's well more

1540
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 4: so even not thirty five, even two years out of

1541
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 4: the game. Andre Ward is a special all time talent

1542
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 4: who doesn't get the love and recognition in this era,

1543
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: partially because of how we handled himself, taking long breaks

1544
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 4: and maybe not always being what everybody wanted them to be.

1545
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: But yet you look back and you're like, this guy

1546
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: did everything right. He's a great guy, family man, all

1547
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: the you know, man of faith, all this stuff. He

1548
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 4: really should be loved and beloved more. But would Canelo

1549
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 4: take on that challenge. I think that's a losing battle.

1550
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: I think that's why glove can never fought him. It's

1551
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: a losing battle when you got a guy that big,

1552
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: that skilled, Luke. I don't know. The idea would be

1553
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 4: the only reason why Canelo would do it would be

1554
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: for historical reasons, for big money. But the problem is

1555
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: Andre Word's never been a big mover, Luke. He's never

1556
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 4: been a pay per view draw. He's never been a

1557
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 4: giant guy. The two times that pay per view against

1558
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: Covilev didn't move money, even though the fights were intriguing.

1559
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: So I say no, I think it's more likely that

1560
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: Ward would be the smaller, skilled guy moving up to

1561
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 4: fight somebody. Remember there was talk of him going to cruiserweight,

1562
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 4: there was talk of him going to heavyweight.

1563
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: He's now revealing that when he retired.

1564
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: When HBO was still in the game, they offered him

1565
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 4: this insanely large contract which involved him moving up to cruiserweight,

1566
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 4: fighting like a Tony Bellu, then moving up to heavyweight.

1567
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 4: And remember Ward's trainer, Virgil Hunter had said, we see

1568
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: things in Anthony Joshua, we think we could fight him,

1569
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: and at that point we're like, what are you crazy?

1570
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. Now we see some of those same

1571
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 4: I guess openings for Joshua. Still, you fight Anthony Joshua,

1572
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: you get a chance to get KOed. I think it

1573
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 4: would be more likely that Ward would go up. I

1574
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: don't know how interested Canelo would be, knowing how great

1575
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 4: war it is, but you never know.

1576
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: Just got to follow the adonnas Creed game plan. He

1577
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: knocked him the fuck out, That's all I know. Next,

1578
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: if masvidoal beats Nate, does Usman versus Masvidol happen before

1579
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Usman versus Covington at Wesley Trent Snipes zero?

1580
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: Only if Colby, Only if Colby does negotiate himself out

1581
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 4: of it? Right?

1582
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: Can we stop saying that?

1583
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: Can we stop saying that Colby is negotiating himself out

1584
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: of anything. I really truly detest this dumb that's implied

1585
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: in narrative.

1586
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 4: Isn't that it's ninety nine for me at least, isn't

1587
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: that it's ninety nine percent Colby being wrong. It's that

1588
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 4: when you get in a negotiation situation, UFC's gonna use leverage.

1589
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 4: They're gonna use dirty tricks too, and it comes down

1590
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 4: to the fighter. Will I take the money being offered

1591
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 4: to me or will I try to.

1592
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: I understand the situation that he's in, and I think

1593
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: he does too, which is the following. You got no leverage.

1594
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: You have no leverage, and basically you could probably work

1595
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: around the margins of what they offer you. You can

1596
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: get a little bit here, a little bit there. But

1597
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: in general, we saw it in the court case that

1598
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: came out and some of the numbers. They want to

1599
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: keep fighter pay continuously, even if revenue goes up. They

1600
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: want to keep it a twenty percent wage share, twenty

1601
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: percent every year that UFC wants it to go to

1602
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: the fighters.

1603
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So if that's the case, how.

1604
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: Much can you really get You're talking about a very

1605
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: very narrow pie year over year. The point being is

1606
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: when Colby says, I am worth this much for this opportunity,

1607
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: this idea. He's negotiated himself out. No, it's called a

1608
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: principled stance. And if it was anybody else other than

1609
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: Colby Covington, if it was somebody likable like Saint Pierre,

1610
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody and their brother would be like, wow, good for

1611
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre to really stand up for his own interests. Yeah,

1612
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: he's got no leverage, but you know what, that's not

1613
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: the point. The point is we take a principal stance,

1614
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: you accept some of the costs that come with the

1615
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: backfire on that one, which is what he is doing.

1616
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's the best way to manage

1617
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: your career in your prime. Fine, maybe he should take

1618
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: the fight. But everyone frames everything around him as a

1619
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: function of their politics. My politics could not be more

1620
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: Can that be further away from Colby's? But I at

1621
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: least have the intellectual honesty to look at the situation

1622
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: and say, it's a principled stance. It's not him going, hey, everybody,

1623
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: how do I get myself out of it? This pickle,

1624
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: It's not what it is. He knows exactly what's happening.

1625
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: He's saying I'm worth X, you're not gonna pay X.

1626
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: Fuck you take a hike. That's the answer. Drives me crazy.

1627
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 4: But to answer that question, I think the only way

1628
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 4: that it could be the answers yes, Well, let's not

1629
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 4: forget though, if Masvidal comes through and dramatically defeats Natiez

1630
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 4: and it's this great fight and it sells big paper

1631
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 4: view numbers and they go, Okay, he's ready, he's now.

1632
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 4: You can give him a ton of shot.

1633
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: You really could, You could, absolutely could.

1634
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: And yes, the answer, by the way, if Nate beats Masvidal,

1635
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: he might get Usman next.

1636
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy either.

1637
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, whether you think it should or shouldn't happen,

1638
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: it might right or Lastly, although limited, there are a

1639
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: couple of ways Outasanya can pull out a win. Really,

1640
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: what do you see as his best avenue to victory

1641
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: at r L I two cool six best avenue of victory?

1642
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this one a little bit.

1643
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: I was, I've been watching a lot of footage on

1644
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: both of them. Number one, I don't really know what

1645
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: to expect from Rob Whitaker in the following sense, we

1646
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: know how good he is but he's been off for

1647
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: so long I am certain he's added new tricks, right,

1648
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: So that's something to consider, Like what will he do

1649
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: differently in terms of his overall body of work that

1650
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: he has not done before.

1651
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: It's one thing to consider.

1652
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: The thing that I keep going back to is Whittaker

1653
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: loves to blitz an angle change all the time, both

1654
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: blitzing getting in and then when you react, reacting to

1655
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: you as you escape the pocket. And when you watched

1656
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: Gastline versus Adasignia, what did you see Otto Signia doing

1657
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: all the time waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting and then trying

1658
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: to fire either across or uppercut or whatever it was

1659
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: that might get him into trouble here if he waits,

1660
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: so to me back, if he h up in the moons,

1661
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: back he can on his back and looking up with

1662
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: the lights, there's a lot of ways that could go poorly.

1663
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: So my thought is at a sign you can fight.

1664
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: I've said this before. He has the most modular striking

1665
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: maybe in all of them, a Max Holloway a little

1666
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: bit more.

1667
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: In terms of stand switch.

1668
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: But if he can get Whittaker backing up, not because

1669
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: Whittaker is bad backing up, but because it might take

1670
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: away the blitz get advantageous for him. So right, it's

1671
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: just it's just a better situation where if if Whittaker

1672
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: has room to charge, that's a tough way to fight

1673
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker.

1674
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: Out of sign He's got to be uh, He's got

1675
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: to have a different rhythm in this fight. He's got

1676
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: to be so special on this. But in his striking

1677
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 4: that it makes Whittaker not take the lead, take a

1678
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 4: step back, not control the pace, in the distance, in

1679
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 4: the whole style and flow of the fight. We're really

1680
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 4: gonna have to see how advanced out a Signia's striking is.

1681
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 4: Can he do things that gives uh Whittaker pause that

1682
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 4: makes him not want to shoot in That's going to

1683
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: be the discipline last thing on this.

1684
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: So his coach has told me this openly. By the way,

1685
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: his coach, this is a true story. His coach tells

1686
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: his fighters, Eugene Barmann.

1687
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: I love Eugene.

1688
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: When his fighters come on my show, he instructs them

1689
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: to not give me any technique discussion because they want

1690
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: to keep everything super close to the vest.

1691
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: But he did tell me this once on the air.

1692
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: Do you know why of those guys at City Boxing

1693
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: and New Zealand have like caught up with the rest

1694
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: of the world. Like, how is it like a small

1695
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: gym in New Zealand all sudden's putting out great strikers.

1696
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: You know what their answer is. They believe that, like

1697
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to grappling, they're not the best. When

1698
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: it comes to wrestling, they're not the best, And if

1699
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: it was just standard striking, they're not the best. They

1700
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: think what makes them the best is the game of striking.

1701
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: The MMA is really behind the times when it comes

1702
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: to fainting. They're big fans of Winki right, you know

1703
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: Winky right.

1704
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1705
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: What they say is the guy who faints more or

1706
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: the guy who faints better, if two people faint the

1707
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: same amount of time, will always win an MMA fight.

1708
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: They believe that when it comes to fainting and faking,

1709
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: they're better than anyone else as a team in MMA,

1710
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: And they also know that that's gonna change too, like

1711
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: the game's gonna catch up. But they say, right now,

1712
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: the level between their ability to faint and how that

1713
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: has an effect on fights versus their competitors is what

1714
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: gives them their edge.

1715
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: Something to keep in mind for the future. Okay, we

1716
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: have to do your.

1717
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: Dumb dum viral vidiots. Luca, have you seen this ship, Luke,

1718
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: there's a big time boxing that. Look at there's new graphics.

1719
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 2: This is the name of the segment this shit, Luke.

1720
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 4: Look, there is a big of this. There is a

1721
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 4: big time I'm boxing grudge match this weekend. I don't

1722
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 4: know if you're woke to this is this is the

1723
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: uh uh the Bagel Boss Chris Morgan and Lenny dykstra

1724
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 4: form and they had a press conference event and things

1725
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 4: got physical. Luke, when you see these two next to

1726
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 4: each other, Lenny's gonna destroy this dude.

1727
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, is Lenny gonna come in sober?

1728
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 4: I mean Lenny looks like crazy old man ripped at

1729
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: this point. Still Like, I mean, did you see when

1730
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 4: the bag in the middle He's got to be the promoter.

1731
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 4: But did you see when the Bagel Boss took a

1732
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 4: shirt off? I mean, there's uh.

1733
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: I had I had the Bagel Boss in studio.

1734
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 4: That must have been something.

1735
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: He's a weirdo.

1736
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 4: This could get ugly engrossed. Look, I sometimes I can

1737
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 4: get into the circus stuff. You know, sure, ain't ks

1738
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 4: I logan Paul, This is the bottom of the food

1739
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 4: chained stuff. This Todd bridges.

1740
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: How many debts is to pay off with?

1741
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, but uh he has the shirt on?

1742
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: Is get paid this year? Jail?

1743
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 4: Will you search this out in any form?

1744
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: No?

1745
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 3: I mean this is like you're a nation porn.

1746
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 4: This is like like n of the Road stuff.

1747
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: This is where's this airing? Like Internet paper view?

1748
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: I think it's fight TV one of those type of deals.

1749
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 2: Wow, that's wow, you know what. I'm glad.

1750
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that element to the show. All right, Hey,

1751
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: I do Morning Combat dissected. You bring in the bagel boss,

1752
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: all right, you have Let's go to.

1753
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 4: The next one. Here. You ever driving around the streets

1754
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 4: of DC, and uh, some donk just.

1755
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 3: Just glares at you.

1756
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, look at this, Look at this, Look

1757
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 4: at this, Look at that's what you get, bro.

1758
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: Dide. You know that guy thinks he was hard at

1759
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: ship too, walking out there. I'm hardest fu.

1760
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for that. Look at that. Look at that.

1761
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 4: You're gonna You're gonna go slow. You're gonna go slow.

1762
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna stop from me.

1763
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 3: Oh, put your hands where my eyes can see.

1764
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 4: I love that, right, there. Wow, all right, Luke, this

1765
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 4: weekend at UFC Mexico City, you want to talk about

1766
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 4: Steven's coming out here, I want to talk about you

1767
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 4: bet you betko hey back close decision win over sir

1768
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 4: jar you Banks and you Banks had said coming in,

1769
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 4: I want to do anything to prevent her from dancing.

1770
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 4: Did you see the torquing she did before this?

1771
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: Not that I'm not that I'm complaining, but does she

1772
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: have any dance that's not sexually suggested?

1773
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 4: Those hips don't lie, Luke, have you ever even considered

1774
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 4: passing guard going full mount? No? No, she's a she's

1775
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 4: a character. She's back. I don't really think she deserved

1776
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 4: that decision, but I was happy to see it. She's

1777
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 4: fine for this sport. She's love her bangs. She's I mean,

1778
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 4: she's great. She's my spirit animal for this show. I

1779
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 4: love it. She was back, she's dancing. She needed that

1780
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 4: one big time.

1781
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: Also, like like no bs, that was a huge one.

1782
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 4: That was big. She throws bombs. She came in there

1783
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: and do you look she got did you see the

1784
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 4: end of that first round? She got her ask kikes,

1785
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 4: she got bullied, she got she got she got walloped. Yeah, yeah,

1786
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 4: that was like first night in jail stuff and she

1787
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 4: came out of there.

1788
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, she just can't dance in a

1789
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: way where you're just like, you know, I wish they

1790
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: had the full It's it's hard to look at that.

1791
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: It was much more suggestive the first moves that.

1792
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: She did there. Oh yeah, yeah, this is the clean verse.

1793
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, every dance is not this, ain't this

1794
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: ain't the Austrian waltz.

1795
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 4: She's happily married man, but in another life, she's got

1796
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: the right she's got the right funk.

1797
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: She knows he's got the right spirit. All right, man

1798
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: to teach his own thank you? Okay? Is that all

1799
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 2: the videos?

1800
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 4: No? No, we're gonna keep going. We're gonna keep going.

1801
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 4: Did you see PBC boxing over the week? One hitter

1802
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 4: Quinn look at this?

1803
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 2: Was this after he shook at him?

1804
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: This was But was this guy's name he Us Flores

1805
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: jay in the back.

1806
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 4: Was that the guy's name? It was a left cross

1807
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 4: and as the off the glove no less Jesus Ramos,

1808
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 4: look at this left cross and as the old great

1809
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 4: fight doctor.

1810
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 3: Ferdy Porteco used to say, face can they fall face first?

1811
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: You don't need to count. Did you happen to hear

1812
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 3: this call?

1813
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 4: We got Ray Boom boom Mancini on Fox here. He

1814
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 4: has these moments called ragasms. I call him when he

1815
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 4: just lets out all of his It's not just face first,

1816
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 4: it's face first, ass up. Well, he teamed up with

1817
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: you know, sweet baby Ray Floras are our colleague there

1818
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 4: at showtime, and these two guys were just letting fluids go.

1819
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean you got to hear this call. It was

1820
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: out of control.

1821
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have the audio. I don't you just

1822
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 2: tell the audience?

1823
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? How about great work in the back here?

1824
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: They at least were live this week. Uh, nice shout.

1825
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 4: There's also another good Chris Colb or another prospect had

1826
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 4: a good knockout on that.

1827
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: The off the glove and to go face first on there.

1828
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: You don't need to count.

1829
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: Finally, you know the unbeaten kickboxing phenomenon, Tension Nasukawa. Yeah,

1830
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 4: the guy that Floyd said to hell in that weird

1831
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 4: boxing mess. He was back this weekend in the Rise promotion.

1832
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: He's been back a couple of times.

1833
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 4: Look at this flippy ship right here. Look, hey, hey,

1834
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 4: shout out by the way to Michelle Padeda. You only

1835
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 4: get to do this stuff if you have the intent

1836
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: to kill. And that's why betch dancing is the best

1837
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 4: because she waited until she wanted to do it.

1838
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: Look at ten, you guys keep acting like I'm defending Pereira.

1839
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying he got, he got what he was he

1840
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: was coming to.

1841
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 4: Look at did you see that? Look at that move

1842
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 4: where it's the left cross and the spinning left. I know.

1843
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the people who said after the Mayweather

1844
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: fight that like Nasakawa benefited from that experienced did.

1845
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: That move right there? Good lord? Did you know that

1846
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 4: his sister was on the undercard. She's seventeen years old.

1847
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did know that.

1848
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 4: We got footage of that. I believe her name is

1849
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 4: re Re. She connected with her first career knockout on

1850
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:02,480
Speaker 4: this undercard. Watched that all good night Jesus check please.

1851
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: Ooh ooh, sat her down. Let's see. Let me see

1852
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: the ko again. Pop on the neck and throat. Those

1853
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: are my favorite, dude, Are you right?

1854
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: A little bit of it when it comes on the

1855
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: the KOs that hit on the neck and chin like

1856
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: the Adreana Martinz, Donald Cowboy Serrony one do.

1857
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: Those are the ones where I'm just like, oh, she did,

1858
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: she did? For real?

1859
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 4: Seen the ship? Good stuff this week, Luca, Yeah, there.

1860
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: Was some good stuff.

1861
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: All your dumb ass videos, that's all my dumbass videos.

1862
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 2: We're not doing you. I have a little surprise for you.

1863
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 4: So I'm sweaty enough.

1864
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, let's add to that a

1865
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: little bit. So last week you decided to do a

1866
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: little internet slew thing. I gotta tell you, I didn't

1867
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: do anything. I didn't do anything. The show was over,

1868
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: and I'm on my train ride back because I have

1869
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: the worst life ever, and I'm flipping through my DMS

1870
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: and someone sends me this, and I said to myself, Wow,

1871
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: the Internet never loses. You got a picture of me

1872
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: in high school? Allow me to return the favor. Ladies

1873
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Why don't you put that up here? Make

1874
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: that so a little more legible. Look that part down

1875
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: the middle of motherfucker. You look like a nineteenth century

1876
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: can't tell.

1877
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 4: I can't defend this, Luke. You know, here's the deal.

1878
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 4: I was big into the Beatles.

1879
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: Is this your high school picture? Or is this though

1880
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: your tryout for the trench Coat Mafia?

1881
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: What the what were you doing?

1882
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 4: See that's see, that's what I haint about the senior picture.

1883
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 4: You take that the summer after your junior year, so

1884
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 4: you're still kind.

1885
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: Of a young dog.

1886
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: I just like it.

1887
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: I just like that.

1888
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: That morning you got up and parted your hair in

1889
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 2: the middle of so I had, Yeah, dude, I'm killing me.

1890
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: I had some big salad because I was trying to

1891
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 4: be George Harrison at that point in my life and

1892
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: killing the game, bro, And I didn't know what to

1893
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 4: do with it.

1894
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 3: So my mom watered it down there. That was just

1895
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: not a It's just not a good The one.

1896
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: Thing I understand is it says it's the only thing

1897
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: that says at the bottom. I understand it says Brian Campbell.

1898
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: Shouldn't it say mcglevin somewhere in there.

1899
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 3: I was much cooler than that picture suggests.

1900
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, hope, ship you can only go I mean this

1901
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: is rock bottom. I mean this is rock bottom.

1902
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: Bro.

1903
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: Show Girls opening night opening right, Oh.

1904
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 2: Look at that. And you had the temerity, the temerity

1905
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 2: to make fun of me. I was a nerd. I

1906
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: take no issue, my friend. You were you were, you

1907
01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: were the vultron of nerds.

1908
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 4: That guy's not pulling triggers though, Come on you the

1909
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 4: picture you looking up? I don't know where you're where?

1910
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 4: Where what headspace you were at?

1911
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: All right? You mean not in the trench? Go mafia?

1912
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1913
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you know, as my friend self listen to

1914
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: Ramstein as my as my as my favorite MC self

1915
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: title would say, well, you were arguing who's getting the

1916
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: top of the bunk. I was arguing who's getting the

1917
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: glock of the pump. I'm just saying, okay, my friend,

1918
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: all right, anything else?

1919
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: Oh uh?

1920
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: We have oh odds and ends? What your odds and ends?

1921
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: I always forget hods and ends?

1922
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 4: Hey, did you see that video that Gary Russell Junior,

1923
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 4: the great unbeaten feather or not unbeating featherweight champion. He's

1924
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 4: trying to lure Leo Santa Cruz into a fight that

1925
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 4: we all want to see. So he put his hand

1926
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 4: around Leo's dad, who's been battling and beating cancer, and

1927
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 4: was like, come after me, come after me. But at

1928
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 4: the end of the video he walks out into the

1929
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 4: hallway and goes, I put hands on your dad. I'll

1930
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 4: do it again. I'll take him out. And this has

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Speaker 4: everybody from Lennox Lewis to everybody saying, no, that's too far.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Luc, it's kind of you're trying to

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Speaker 4: lure Leo Santa Cruz into a fight. Everybody wants to see.

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Speaker 4: This is the kind of a wrestling ship that I

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Speaker 4: get down with.

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Speaker 2: This is like he later apologize.

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Speaker 1: He told Marcos said of a fight Fight Hop TV,

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Speaker 1: he was like, oh, everyone misinterpreted it.

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Speaker 4: I guess to me, I didn't misinterpret it. I thought, look,

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Speaker 4: this is spicy, this is juicy. I want to see

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Speaker 4: this fight even more people can chill out and relax.

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Speaker 4: I guess there's no No one got hurt in the

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Speaker 4: making of that video. Also, though, did you see PBC

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Speaker 4: over the weekend? Uh a little bit of a washed

1945
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Speaker 4: one sixty eight battle, but uh kid chalcout Peter Quillan

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Speaker 4: lost a split decision there to Freedom Angulo turn him

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Speaker 4: back the clock two divisions above his prime sloppy.

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Speaker 1: Like a sloppy I'll be honest, I haven't pay attention

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Speaker 1: to Angoula since what he lost to Canelo.

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Speaker 2: How long ago that was. I was working for Glory at.

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Speaker 1: The time, and I was like, oh, that's the end

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Speaker 1: of him, Yeah, I think no turns out not yeah.

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Speaker 3: That was That was a fun, little sloppy battle there.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, Rashad Evans, I do a weekly

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Speaker 4: MMA podcast with him on coming out and I have

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Speaker 4: a running.

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Speaker 3: Joke on that show.

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Speaker 4: Or because he's he's given up me hold on. Well,

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Speaker 4: normally I would say no to a guy, what you know,

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Speaker 4: turning forty, but I'm almost saying yes because he's in

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Speaker 4: ridiculous shape. He's given up me and he says, changed

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Speaker 4: his life, brain healthy. I don't know where he's going,

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Speaker 4: but obviously he's getting out of the UFC. You have

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Speaker 4: to believe South Florida Cocoon belatour. It's the nursing home

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Speaker 4: of MMA, and there are names in there like look,

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Speaker 4: we didn't talk about it, but this weekend there's two

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Speaker 4: Beltar cards. I kind of want to see one of

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Speaker 4: those fights. Has Machita Musasi. I always tell your shot

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Speaker 4: on the air you owe a couple of people receipts.

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Speaker 4: Glover is one of them. But certainly welcome to the

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Speaker 4: macheta era.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that one all right, not the Glover one, I

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Speaker 1: would say for odds and ends. Certainly the belltour that

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Speaker 1: there was. There were the two cards that were going

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Speaker 1: to be the initial foray into the Featherway tournament already

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Speaker 1: had one earlier this month Adam Borich did incredible. The

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Speaker 1: next one, I think is the better of the two cards.

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Speaker 1: You have former champion Darien Caldwell bumping up to one

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Speaker 1: forty five to now be a part of that tournament.

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Speaker 1: One arch you Letta taking off.

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Speaker 4: I think I thought that would have been the final

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Speaker 4: before they announced.

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Speaker 3: It as a first matchup.

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Speaker 1: Utterly phenomenal start a twenty one wins in a world Yeah, phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: That card is crazy, even that Dublin one.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you got James Gallaher coming back, MVP

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Speaker 4: coming back, Henderson, Miles Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that fight is fine, but the other two I

1989
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Speaker 2: don't know. But I don't even know who MVP is.

1990
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Speaker 1: Fighting, and Gallagher's opponent fell out last minute, so it's

1991
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Speaker 1: a little bit not so my favorite. But the last

1992
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Speaker 1: thing I would to say is I keep harping on it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get enough attention. John Nash over Bloody Elbow

1994
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Speaker 1: did a ton of work compiling documents about what the

1995
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Speaker 1: UFC makes. He did a huge post last week about

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Speaker 1: how much money does the UFC make and how he

1997
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Speaker 1: has one out today on their event revenue, how much

1998
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Speaker 1: do they make per event in terms of fighter cost,

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Speaker 1: production costs, everything, what does it look like? And he

2000
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Speaker 1: also had a post on there about what fighters make.

2001
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Speaker 1: Here's an interesting part that no one wants to have

2002
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Speaker 1: this conversation. If you look at the numbers, it's not

2003
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Speaker 1: clear materially what effect MMA managers have on fighter pay.

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Speaker 1: They might get a little bit bumped one direction or

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Speaker 1: the other, but in terms of like dramatically affecting a

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Speaker 1: share of the pie, there's unlike in boxing, very much

2007
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Speaker 1: unlike in boxing, there's not a lot of evidence that

2008
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Speaker 1: they affect change. So there's a conversation needs to be had,

2009
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Speaker 1: like what do MMA managers do?

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Speaker 2: What is the value?

2011
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Speaker 1: I have some good relationships with some that I think

2012
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Speaker 1: do the best that they can given the circumstances. But

2013
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Speaker 1: it's an interesting conversation to have. Go check that out

2014
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Speaker 1: on bloody a week.

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Speaker 4: If we put the lotion in the basket, we can

2016
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Speaker 4: get some ac in here only.

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Speaker 1: Against the hose again, all right, we gotta get out

2018
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Speaker 1: of here. We gotta get out her. So thank you

2019
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Speaker 1: guys so much for watching again. Like the video, subscribe

2020
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Speaker 1: to the channels come on.

2021
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Speaker 4: So the least you could do is subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Subsequent videos are gonna come out all week like and

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the We'll like those videos and subscribe either

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Speaker 1: through this one or the next one. Whoever, just make

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Speaker 1: sure you're getting out there. Spread the word donkeys. We

2026
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Speaker 1: need you guys to get there and spread the word.

2027
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Speaker 1: We appreciate that when everyone does that. And for folk

2028
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Speaker 1: who already have, thank.

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Speaker 3: You the more Bagel Boss this weekend all right.

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Speaker 1: For my resident version of the Bagel Boss, Brian Campbell,

2031
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Speaker 1: I am Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: Until next time.

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Speaker 2: All of your gains be lord. Dude, you're

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Speaker 4: Usually I'm displaying to I can't understand what was happening

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Speaker 4: to me.