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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. We are

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Speaker 1: just back from our live show at Adams National Historical

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Speaker 1: Park in Quincy, Massachusetts. Yeah. It was super delightful. We

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Speaker 1: had a great time, We had a great crowd. Everybody

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Speaker 1: was awesome and delightful. The park staff was awesome and delightful.

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Speaker 1: The technology was less awesome and delightful, not on their part. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell the whole story of what happened with

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Speaker 1: the technology at the end of the show because it

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Speaker 1: is kind of eerie and weird, so I think folks

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Speaker 1: might be interested to hear what happened with the technology.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a bit of a longer story, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to put it at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show. Just say our apologies that we rather than

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Speaker 1: having a live recording, we're going to have a studio

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Speaker 1: version of our show that we did at Adams Nationalist

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Speaker 1: Darkal Park, which was called John Quincy and Louisa Catherine

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Speaker 1: Adams Abroad. Yes, so you will miss some of the

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Speaker 1: funny asides that sometimes happen in live shows. Yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: miss the moment where a park ranger rescued a spider

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Speaker 1: from our table. Yes, that I did not want to hurt.

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Speaker 1: You won't get to hear me talk about how I

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Speaker 1: would fight a witch and win, which was unrelated to

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Speaker 1: the episode. I forgot that even happened. So, uh, if

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Speaker 1: you did not grow up in the Boston area, you

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Speaker 1: may wonder why or why we're pronouncing the name Quincy

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Speaker 1: with the Z in it when Quincy is q U.

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Speaker 1: I n see why. Uh. That is not a thing

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Speaker 1: that I learned how to say by moving to Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: and hearing a local person say it. It's a name

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Speaker 1: that I learned to say by playing Fallout four, which

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Speaker 1: is they got that correct and Fallout for So the

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Speaker 1: ancestor who John Quincy Adams was named for, and who

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Speaker 1: the city of Quincy is named for, pronounced his name Quincy,

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Speaker 1: and so these names are pronounced Quincy. It probably shocks

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Speaker 1: people who have said it Quincy their whole lives, but

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Speaker 1: that's how it is. What we are talking about in

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Speaker 1: this episode is really John Quincy Adams as a diplomat.

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Speaker 1: If you're not really immersed in eighteenth and nineteenth century

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Speaker 1: US history. John Quincy Adams probably comes to mind more

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Speaker 1: as the son of President John Adams and then the

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Speaker 1: particularly effective president, but he had a really extensive and

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Speaker 1: influential career as a diplomat long before becoming president. George

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Speaker 1: Washington called him the most valuable public character we have abroad.

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Speaker 1: One of the books that I read about his diplomatic

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Speaker 1: work leading up to this podcast called him one of

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Speaker 1: nineteenth century America's most accomplished diplomats and statesman, and his

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Speaker 1: wife Louisa, was an important part of his work and

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Speaker 1: that we're doing today. So John Quincy Adams was born

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Speaker 1: on July eleven, seventeen sixty seven, the oldest son of

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Speaker 1: John and Abigail Adams. His parents were, of course, incredibly

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Speaker 1: prominent figures in the American Revolution, and he was immersed

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Speaker 1: in that world basically from birth. He also saw the

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Speaker 1: Revolutionary War firsthand. On June seventeen, seventeen seventy five, when

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Speaker 1: he was seven, his mother took him up to the

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Speaker 1: top of Penn's Hill, which was not far from his birthplace.

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Speaker 1: Also not really far from where we did that live show.

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Speaker 1: They could hear the cannons and see the smoke from

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Speaker 1: the Battle of bunker Hill and from the burning of Charlestown.

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Speaker 1: Today there is a cairn marking the spot where they

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Speaker 1: the Battle of bunker Hill. Much later, John Quincy described

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Speaker 1: of men. When he was ten, John Quincy went overseas

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Speaker 1: John Quincy's career as a diplomat. Frequently over the next

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Speaker 1: Before going on to Prussia, though, John Quincy Adams stopped

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Speaker 1: off in London, where he married Louisa Catherine Johnson on

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Speaker 1: Louisa Catherine Johnson was born in London on February twelve,

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Speaker 1: for future colonization by any European powers. He went on

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Speaker 1: to elaborate from there with three basic ideas. First, that

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Speaker 1: the United States wouldn't interfere with European colonies in the

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Speaker 1: Western Hemisphere that existed already, but that the Western Hemisphere

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Speaker 1: was off the table for future colonization. Second, if a

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Speaker 1: European power did try to establish colonial rule in the

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Speaker 1: Western Hemisphere, the US would see that as a hostile

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Speaker 1: action against the United States, and third, the US would

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Speaker 1: not get involved in European affairs. These ideas have come

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Speaker 1: to be known as the Monroe Doctrine, and John Quincy

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Speaker 1: Adams was a huge part of its development. The Monroe

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Speaker 1: Doctrine grew in part out of a fear that Spain

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Speaker 1: would try to recolonize South America. At this point, most

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Speaker 1: of Spain's former South American colonies had had their own

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Speaker 1: movements for independence that had been successful. There's a fear

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Speaker 1: that Spain was going to try to take all that

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Speaker 1: back over. Initially, British officials had proposed that the United

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Speaker 1: States and Britain issue a joint statement about this, but

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Speaker 1: John Quincy insisted to the President that the United States

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Speaker 1: should act on its own, in part because teaming up

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Speaker 1: with Britain would just make it look like Britain was

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Speaker 1: doing all the work and the United States just kind

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Speaker 1: of a hanger on. So he influenced what the Monroe

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Speaker 1: Doctrine said. Along with the fact that the Monroe Doctrine

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Speaker 1: existed at all, the US was not a military superpower

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Speaker 1: at this point, so the idea that the nation could

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Speaker 1: actually enforce the principles outlined in the Monroe Doctrine was

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Speaker 1: almost laughable. So the response from the major European powers

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Speaker 1: was somewhere on a spectrum between dismissive and irked. But

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Speaker 1: the Monroe Doctrine became the cornerstone of US foreign policy

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Speaker 1: and continued to be cited and to influence international relations

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Speaker 1: for a very long time. The Monroe Doctrine was a

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Speaker 1: huge part of John Quincy's legacy as a diplomat, but

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Speaker 1: that was also just one part of it. Through his

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Speaker 1: time abroad and his time as a Secretary of State,

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Speaker 1: he set and reinforced a lot of precedents in US

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Speaker 1: foreign relations, for good or for ill, really, including the

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Speaker 1: idea of freedom of the seas and overall non intervention

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Speaker 1: in other nations affairs. He was also a supporter of

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Speaker 1: the idea of manifest destiny, or the idea that the

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Speaker 1: US was destined to spread itself and democracy all across

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Speaker 1: North America. He shifted that opinion a little when it

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Speaker 1: looked like expanding into Texas would also expand the institution

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Speaker 1: of slavery. He was in favor of expanding the nation,

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Speaker 1: but not if it brought slavery along with it. John

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Speaker 1: Quincy Adams ran for president in eighteen twenty four in

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Speaker 1: what was a highly contentious election, and Luisa was at

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Speaker 1: the heart of his campaign. She held Tuesday Night sociables

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Speaker 1: along with all kinds of other events, and they made

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Speaker 1: extensive connections among Washington, d C's most influential people. Louisa

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00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: was a gracious and delightful hostess, and she really encouraged

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Speaker 1: her husband to try to be more chariusmatic in his

484
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Speaker 1: campaign and shake off a little bit of that cold demeanor.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson won more popular and electoral votes than any

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Speaker 1: other candidate in this election, but he did not have

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Speaker 1: the electoral majority that was needed to win, so the

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Speaker 1: election fell to the House of Representatives. Louisa held her

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Speaker 1: last campaign sociable on February. At least sixty members of

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Speaker 1: the House were there, and in a surprise upset, the

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Speaker 1: House of Representatives elected John Quincy president the next day.

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Speaker 1: He was inaugurated on March fourth and reportedly sworn in

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Speaker 1: with his hand on a book of law. This show

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00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: is more about John Quincy Adams's work as a diplomat

495
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: than about his time as president, but just to touch

496
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Speaker 1: on it overall, it was not a successful presidency and

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Speaker 1: it was not a happy time for the family. That

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Speaker 1: contentious election left him without support in Congress. John Quincy

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Speaker 1: also made Henry Clay, who had also run for president,

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Speaker 1: his secretary of State, and this led to accusations that

501
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: John Quincy Adams had made a corrupt bargain to secure

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Speaker 1: the presidency, something that John Quincy steadfastly denied. As president,

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Speaker 1: he had really lofty goals. He thought the government should

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Speaker 1: be a force for public goods, so he wanted to

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Speaker 1: establish a national University fund, a variety of scientific expeditions,

506
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Speaker 1: start a huge infrastructure project that would include highways and canals.

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Speaker 1: But with a lot of Congress actively working against him,

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Speaker 1: he could not get any of it done. Even though

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Speaker 1: he could be really pragmatic when it came down to

510
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Speaker 1: actually implementing his more idealistic goals. I mean, he understood

511
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Speaker 1: sometimes that what he was doing, or what he was

512
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: wanting to do, was really ambitious, and he understood that

513
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Speaker 1: sometimes it was not realistic to get there. The fact

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Speaker 1: that it was just stonewalled the whole way was a

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Speaker 1: huge blow. We mentioned at the top of the episode

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Speaker 1: that this was originally prepared for a live show, and

517
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Speaker 1: we normally have a rule about live shows that we

518
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: don't want to do bummer topics. But the adams Is

519
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: life at this point really did become quite difficult. They

520
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: faced ongoing animosity in Washington at the time and for

521
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Speaker 1: almost two hundred years after. Louisa was the only First

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Speaker 1: Lady that was not born in the United States, and

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Speaker 1: as a consequence, she was subject to intense scrutiny. The

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00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: pressures of being the first family were also really hard

525
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: on all of the Adams as some of their surviving

526
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: children had a range of problems during and after these years,

527
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Speaker 1: including alcohol abuse and drug addictions. Their son George died

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Speaker 1: in an apparent suicide not long after they left the

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Speaker 1: White House. And to end the discussion of the presidency

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Speaker 1: on a lighter note, but with the caveat that this

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Speaker 1: is apocryphal, or at least it could be a Acerples right.

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Speaker 1: This is not clear as to how truthful this is.

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Speaker 1: The MARKETA. Lafayette gave John Quincy an alligator as a

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00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: pet during his tour of the United States, and for

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Speaker 1: a while, according to the story, the adams Is kept

536
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: it in a bathtub at the White House, and then

537
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: they would show it off to guests who came to visit.

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Speaker 1: After serving one term as president, John Quincy Adams lost

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00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: to Andrew Jackson in the election, but he did not

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00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: stay out of politics for long. In eighteen thirty he

541
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: ran for a seat in the House of Representatives. He

542
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: was elected by a landslide and stayed in office literally

543
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Speaker 1: until the day he died. So we are nearing the

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Speaker 1: end of our episode. So we're going to be summing

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Speaker 1: up about twenty years of legislative work, and obviously we

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00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: can't do that in great detail in what's left, but

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Speaker 1: one of the big highlights was his fight against the

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Speaker 1: Gag rule. And the Gag rule was instituted on May

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Speaker 1: eighteen thirty six, and it forbade the House of Representatives

550
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Speaker 1: from considering anti slavery petitions. John Quincy Adams was stridently

551
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: against the Gag rule. He and Louisa were both morally

552
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: opposed to slavery. He called it a great and foul

553
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: stain upon the North American Union. At the same time,

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00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: he thought the federal government had no constitutional power to

555
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: abolish slavery in the states where it existed. Obviously, that

556
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: is not the whole story of how their lives were

557
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: connected to slavery or to race. But John Quincy also

558
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: found the gag rule to be a violation of the

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00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: constitutional freedom of speech, and he fought against it from

560
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Speaker 1: the moment it was introduced until it was finally lifted

561
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Speaker 1: on December three, eighty four. It was also during these

562
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: years in the House of Representatives that John Quincy Adams

563
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: defended thirty nine Africans who had been enslaved and sent

564
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Speaker 1: to Cuba before embarking on an uprising aboard the slave

565
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: ship Amistade. This case went all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and there is actually an episode about it

567
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Speaker 1: in our archive. And as we noted earlier, John Quincy

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00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Adams continued to be a public servant until the day

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Speaker 1: he died. He stayed in office after having a paralytic

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Speaker 1: stroke in eighteen forty six, and then on February one,

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Speaker 1: eighty eight, he had another stroke while on the floor

572
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Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives. Later, he collapsed at his desk.

573
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Speaker 1: He was taken to the Capitol rotunda and then to

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Speaker 1: the Speaker's room, where he fell into a coma and

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Speaker 1: died two days later, having not ever left the building again.

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Speaker 1: Luisa had a stroke less than a year after that,

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Speaker 1: and she died on May fourteenth, eighteen fifty two. Congress

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Speaker 1: adjourned for her funeral on the eighteenth, which they had

579
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Speaker 1: never done for a first lady before, and both she

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Speaker 1: and her husband are buried at the First Parish Church

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Speaker 1: in Quincy, Massachusetts. So that was John Quincy and Louisa

582
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Speaker 1: Catherine Adams abroad. We also have some thank you's before

583
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Speaker 1: I get to the story of why we didn't have

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Speaker 1: the live show to share with you. We want to thank,

585
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Speaker 1: obviously Adam's National Historical Park. Thank you so much for

586
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Speaker 1: inviting us. We had a great time. It was the weather.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to the weather for collaborating. It was a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day. It was a beautiful day. It had been

589
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: above ninety degrees for the high for more than a week,

590
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: which is hot, especially in a place where no one

591
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: has central air conditioning. UM, so I was very glad

592
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: that the weather turned out to be lovely that day.

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Speaker 1: We would like to thank Jessica Pilkington and Carolyn Kinna

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Speaker 1: from the Park. They were the people that we talked

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00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: to as the most as we were organizing all of this.

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Speaker 1: We'd also like to thank Mark Carrey from the Quincy

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Speaker 1: Mayor's office. Who helped us out with the p A

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Speaker 1: system for the show and with spare batteries, which we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to in a second. Thanks to the Park

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Speaker 1: also for arranging an A s L interpreter for the show,

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Speaker 1: and thanks as well to the interpreter whose name I

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: unfortunately did not write down. And thank you so much

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Speaker 1: to everyone who came. You were a great crowd with

604
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Speaker 1: so many folks who stayed behind to say hello to us.

605
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the longest post show

606
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: meet and greets that we have had, and it was

607
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: just a true pleasure. We also for sure have to

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Speaker 1: thank Igor Nikki, which is what it says on the card.

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00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: I thought she introduced herself as Nick and Ari for

610
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: bringing us some beautiful gifts and being really sweet. So

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00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: in lieu of listener mail, here's what happened. Whenever whenever

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00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: we do a live show, I always travel with our

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: digital recorder cables to connect the digital recorder to a

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Speaker 1: mixing board, the the power cable, and fresh batteries in

615
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: the recorder and spare batteries just in case. Uh. Normally

616
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: we tried to plug in the recorder, but sometimes, as

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Speaker 1: was the case this time, because we were doing an

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Speaker 1: outdoor show that was being powered by a very long

619
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Speaker 1: extension cord. We didn't have an outlet available to plug

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Speaker 1: in the recorder, so with fresh batteries in there, I

621
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Speaker 1: was like, cool, it's no problem, it'll be fine. We

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00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: did a sound check, everything sounded beautiful. We went back

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Speaker 1: to the indoor location where Holly and I were like

624
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Speaker 1: waiting to prepare for the show. And then when I

625
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: came out to start the recorder recording for the show,

626
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: the battery symbol was empty instead of full like I

627
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: left it, and so I was like, oh no, this

628
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: is unfortunate. Um and Mark Carey from the Mayor's office

629
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Speaker 1: had batteries that were closer by than mine, which were

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Speaker 1: back in my bag, so he went out brought us

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Speaker 1: back this gigantic sleeve of double A batteries. I replaced

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00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: the batteries, I started the thing recording in we did

633
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Speaker 1: the show. When the show was over, I went to

634
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Speaker 1: turn off and unplug the recorder and it was already

635
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Speaker 1: off for mysterious reasons, and it was able to turn

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Speaker 1: back on, and I could see that I had a

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Speaker 1: file there of the recording. So I was quite relieved

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Speaker 1: by all of that. And then I stopped looking at

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00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: it because we wanted to talk to the people who

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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: had stayed behind to talk to us. After the show.

641
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: We told the park staff what weird thing had happened

642
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: with the recorder, and they said, oh, here in the

643
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: Adams Triangle and told us a number of stories about

644
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: things that have mysteriously gone technologically wrong with no explanation

645
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: at various other events. So, okay, sidebar, this is the

646
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Speaker 1: first time hearing about it. Oh yeah, I missed the

647
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Adams Triangle discussion. I was probably talking with a listener

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Speaker 1: I will save this for tomorrow. Uh. This was all

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Speaker 1: it had a strange feedback on it that had not

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Speaker 1: So since we had thirteen minutes of weird feedback the audio,

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Speaker 1: subjecting anyone to that piece of the recording. It's kind

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Speaker 1: No idea, there was a spooky explanation. This is super

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Speaker 1: exciting now yeah so uh so, thank you again to

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