Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back Man season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special Guess what's up with your Brodie with
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake. I'nna tell you. I never told you.
Speaker 1: I want to All the Smoke. Welcome back to another
Speaker 1: edition All the Smoke. My brother Jack. This is the
Speaker 1: first time we've done a remote episode in studio. In studio,
Speaker 1: but it's our guest is our guest is birthday. We
Speaker 1: wish you could have him in person. But to me,
Speaker 1: growing up playing football, someone I really enjoyed watching and
Speaker 1: wish she could have played longer. Wish she could have
Speaker 1: played for a better team so we could have seen him,
Speaker 1: see him get a ring. But welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson Man, Calvin, thanks for joining. Glad to be here, fellows,
Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Thank you for your time. Um
Speaker 1: current check up. How's the family, you know, considering COVID
Speaker 1: and everything that's going on. How's everybody holding up out
Speaker 1: there in Michigan? Shoot the immediate family. We're all good here,
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to uh, you know, maintain our
Speaker 1: our our guys, I guess you could say with with COVID,
Speaker 1: even though the whole world is starting to get last.
Speaker 1: You know, we're just trying to stay tight because you know,
Speaker 1: we got family members you know that have uh you know,
Speaker 1: pre existent positions that you know, it could be real,
Speaker 1: real troublesome for them, you know, not to mention. I
Speaker 1: know three people personally, you know that passed from it,
Speaker 1: you know, two of them being the Foundation volunteers of mind.
Speaker 1: So you know, I know, you know it's hit home,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's it's not nothing for me to
Speaker 1: light song. Really, you know, I'm just trying to, you know, maintain,
Speaker 1: just remain stringent with the rules that we have in
Speaker 1: place for back home and at work. That's what's up.
Speaker 1: You mentioned before we got on the air. You got
Speaker 1: another little man on the way. Congratulations with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little boy, No little knucklehead man. I don't even
Speaker 1: I don't know we're gonna name them, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. We want to have a girl. You know,
Speaker 1: we got two boys, so you know, we got another
Speaker 1: boy and we're done. I got three boys. Are what
Speaker 1: are the ages of your boys? Six and two six
Speaker 1: and two things too and the new one on the
Speaker 1: wall on the way, Uh huh. We're definitely a boy.
Speaker 1: And I feel you I wanted to get I wanted
Speaker 1: to get a girl. I couldn't get a girl. Jack,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, has a house was full of girl,
Speaker 1: flock full of girls. Girl Jack got five girls. You know,
Speaker 1: with the current state, obviously, with the pandemic being what
Speaker 1: it is, and current social justice climate, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on where America is right now? Man? You know
Speaker 1: you see it on a daily basis. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: walking around here. I live in the area. You know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's predominantly white. You know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, once you step above eight mile in Michigan,
Speaker 1: you know, it's that's just how it is in the suburbs.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, I go around here, I'm
Speaker 1: rounding my bike. You know, people are pretty friendly, but
Speaker 1: you still have the people that that are just nasty.
Speaker 1: And I think that the climate, you know, it kind
Speaker 1: of brought that out in a lot of people where
Speaker 1: it's just okay for them to just be nasty, you know.
Speaker 1: And so and I say people, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: white people. I'm not just you know, everything the climate
Speaker 1: is divisive all around, but I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 1: the white folks just being nasty and not you know,
Speaker 1: just that racial biases coming out. You know, I'm from Georgia.
Speaker 1: I'm used to seeing it. And the problem I feel
Speaker 1: like I have is that, you know, being from Georgia,
Speaker 1: you're seeing it all the time. You're going to the store,
Speaker 1: whether they're following you, just weird stupid questions, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you go mute to it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just, you know, it's just something that just happens.
Speaker 1: You used to get used to it, you know, but
Speaker 1: then when when things like like we see with the
Speaker 1: thanks to the cell phone, you know, our brothers getting
Speaker 1: getting killed, you know about police, you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of brings up brings it brings up all the tensions,
Speaker 1: and it makes you think like, Okay, why am I mute?
Speaker 1: You know, why am I a mute? You know, there
Speaker 1: this needs to be if you need to talk about this.
Speaker 1: You know, this isn't anything. This racial, This racial tension
Speaker 1: has been for a long time and we gotta get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. I mean, we know what
Speaker 1: it is, you know, but the conversation is you starn't
Speaker 1: had because I mean, I mean, once one person says,
Speaker 1: you know, one thing, the other person doesn't light and
Speaker 1: people shut down. You guys, you gotta be open to
Speaker 1: the dialogue. And that's where we're just not open to
Speaker 1: the dialogue. Really, yeah, I think this is I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm four years old and I feel we've never been
Speaker 1: more divided as a country. And I think you make
Speaker 1: a great point. It's the conversations that need to be had,
Speaker 1: but they're tough conversations, and we had We had Charlotta
Speaker 1: Magne on our show a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, white people don't want to
Speaker 1: give that power up. You know that that racial tension,
Speaker 1: that racial hate is power in their mind because it's
Speaker 1: always come from a powerful place. They feel, even though
Speaker 1: they're not more powerful on us, they just kind of
Speaker 1: have that feeling about themselves. So you know, the way
Speaker 1: that the world is so mixed up with so many
Speaker 1: biracial children, now, I mean, the world is turning browner
Speaker 1: by the day, you know what I mean, So at
Speaker 1: some point that all this ship is going to have
Speaker 1: to give. So you know, I'm hoping everything we're doing
Speaker 1: now is for you know, your three boys and my
Speaker 1: three boys and and Jack's kids in the future, because uh,
Speaker 1: it definitely for the first time they're listening. So now
Speaker 1: we've got to have some kind of play moving forward. Amen,
Speaker 1: let's go back to high school where all this amazing
Speaker 1: that started. Uh, you know, a football star, a baseball star.
Speaker 1: How did you get into football and baseball? Growing up?
Speaker 1: All always played sports growing up t ball. Um My
Speaker 1: mom wanted to play football though when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: she said, I'll get hurt. She told me, the first
Speaker 1: time you'll be able to play football is when you
Speaker 1: get to the middle school. So, you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up like in Fairburn, been called the Fairban Flames. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll be leaving baseball practice day out there the blue
Speaker 1: uniforms with the orange flames on the hillmet you know,
Speaker 1: it was fired. You know. I just wanted to be
Speaker 1: a part of that because it looked cool, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, I really and Mom was like, no, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. No, you can't play in two you
Speaker 1: in seven grade. So I got to play when I
Speaker 1: was in seventh grade, and I was a straight scrub,
Speaker 1: you know, I was I wasn't the same. I didn't
Speaker 1: hit my groth spur yet. I was just you know,
Speaker 1: just an average kid out there. I played running back,
Speaker 1: in cornerback. You know, I was more so like a
Speaker 1: tackically done me out there on the practice field because
Speaker 1: I was, I was skinny, you know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of tall. You know, I was just not coordinated, none
Speaker 1: of that. I went to high school, hit my groth spur,
Speaker 1: and uh more so than anything, I still wasn't coordinated.
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't trained that all that yet. I
Speaker 1: mean I could play baseball, you know, I could run,
Speaker 1: I could hit, you know, I can do all the
Speaker 1: basic things, the fundamental things. But as far as playing football,
Speaker 1: running a route, catching the ball and then you know,
Speaker 1: while you're running full speed, those things just weren't out in.
Speaker 1: You had to the point. You know, I got called
Speaker 1: butter fingers when I was in high school. A lot
Speaker 1: people don't know that butterfingers. You know, I never man,
Speaker 1: I just be dropping balls like left and right. You know,
Speaker 1: they put me on the varsity and I had a
Speaker 1: bad game, had like three crucial drops, and from that point,
Speaker 1: all butter fingers. And you know, I was like man's
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta resurrect it. I can't have that nickname.
Speaker 1: So from that point on, just to work that kicked
Speaker 1: in and I was like, nah, I ain't gona ain't
Speaker 1: never gonna be like that, never gonna bet me again.
Speaker 1: So somehow you went from butter fingers to Megatron. How
Speaker 1: the fund does that happen? Focusing determination and just wanted
Speaker 1: not just at the time, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what the best was, but I just know
Speaker 1: I didn't want to fail. And I think at that
Speaker 1: time it was more so just a fear of failure.
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't want to be that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be the guy that's here dropping
Speaker 1: the ball, not being accountable. That's one thing I couldn't be.
Speaker 1: I did not want to not be account Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you got to think about it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have kids now, Jack and I have kids. Like when
Speaker 1: we were younger, we played outside and played like. We
Speaker 1: didn't work out, we didn't lift weights, we didn't sports
Speaker 1: specific train like, we played tag until until our mom
Speaker 1: and dad told us to come in the house, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's much different to naturally
Speaker 1: be gifted and then really have to start working at it.
Speaker 1: Like I know, bullshit. I played. I played football, baseball, basketball, track.
Speaker 1: I didn't start working out for basketball in the NBA
Speaker 1: until I got to the NBA, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And that like I have kids now that are you know, eleven,
Speaker 1: They've been training for a couple of years now. So
Speaker 1: it's just like it's it's a way different dynamic now
Speaker 1: from when we grew up to how sports and kids
Speaker 1: and training is now hit the room early now. Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't crazy, so I got to really got to college.
Speaker 1: You know, we did some stuff in high school, but
Speaker 1: there wasn't nothing serious. You know, we pushed some, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't still we got the college where you know,
Speaker 1: I put on like thirty five pounds when I got
Speaker 1: to college. I didn't do nothing. My name changed at
Speaker 1: twelve years old from Steven Jackson. Always high. I was
Speaker 1: just and I was just talented enough and basketball guard
Speaker 1: just gave me a gift and I just played it.
Speaker 1: And from the area I came from, it just gave
Speaker 1: me the attitude to to go out there and not
Speaker 1: back down from nobody and just be tough. And that
Speaker 1: took me over but no, I didn't want to do nothing.
Speaker 1: How curling blunts was curling Blunt's attitude and what we
Speaker 1: love many attitude the dog? Yeah, who gave you that nickname? Though?
Speaker 1: Always high myself? Okay, I talked to myself always high
Speaker 1: because people always ask now you high? I say, my
Speaker 1: name is all first name, always last name, high so
Speaker 1: high school star. What was the recruiting process, Like you
Speaker 1: decided to stay home. Did you take any serious consideration
Speaker 1: about going anywhere else? Yeah? I mean I thought about Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: They were sending me letters. You know, they were hot
Speaker 1: at the time. Um. I thought about Clemson because I
Speaker 1: mean honestly, I was close to home. But you know,
Speaker 1: they had these They always had tall receivers like twin towers.
Speaker 1: Know so I admired that. Um. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I trained to my family build to
Speaker 1: see me play. That's why I stayed in Atlanta. What
Speaker 1: was it like in Georgia Tech though, also you went.
Speaker 1: If you're at Georgia Tech, you won't know you had cappus.
Speaker 1: I mean, besides the school being like really hard hard,
Speaker 1: like really hard man, it's just like you're not there
Speaker 1: for football. You're not there for sports. You're there for school.
Speaker 1: That is first and foremost. The teachers. They're gonna make
Speaker 1: that known from day one. Like if you get a confused,
Speaker 1: they once you know, because you're gonna have a DAL
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna have like a two point oh grade
Speaker 1: grade point I was messing around and not doing your
Speaker 1: work there in Tech. But being in Atlanta, man, you're
Speaker 1: right there by the AUC Clark Atlanta spelling. My mom
Speaker 1: and sister want to Clark, you know, so I've been around.
Speaker 1: I know, I know the area. I knew you got focus. Man.
Speaker 1: You gotta be focused, and I mean, I mean you
Speaker 1: gotta be focused. There's guys that came before us, Like
Speaker 1: I kicked off school there because yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: school was hard and they didn't play. But I mean
Speaker 1: there's so many distractions. Being in Atlanta. You know, it's
Speaker 1: easy to be, you know, caught up doing not what
Speaker 1: you're know, know what we're supposed to be doing. M hm.
Speaker 1: Very decorated college career. I mean the list of accolade
Speaker 1: from All say a c C First Team to All
Speaker 1: American to a CEC Player of the Year. You decided
Speaker 1: to leave school after your your third year and take
Speaker 1: your talents to the NFL. What was it like being
Speaker 1: drafted number two? Overall? I've seen you at Georgia Tech,
Speaker 1: let me say that. And what I noticed was every
Speaker 1: time you got one on one, even if you wouldn't open,
Speaker 1: they threw you the ball. Hey that's my boy regime. Man.
Speaker 1: Reggie told me all like, hey, you all got to
Speaker 1: throw you to rock Bro And I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get it. And that's my want. Say,
Speaker 1: that's what we do, that's my job. But you know,
Speaker 1: being drafted number two, uh, I mean surreal to me.
Speaker 1: You know, I just out there just going about my data.
Speaker 1: That's I trying to stack good days on top of
Speaker 1: good days, man, and you know, just hoping that you
Speaker 1: know that the fruits of my labor manifesting in some
Speaker 1: in some form of fashion. And uh, that's just that's
Speaker 1: what happened with the draft. And it was just a
Speaker 1: quick process. Not quick, but it was so fast. To say.
Speaker 1: All you're doing to training during that time, you train
Speaker 1: your train, you train your train. You know, like I said,
Speaker 1: you're just stacking those good days. And next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's been two months and you're on the
Speaker 1: NFL team, and they're saying, you know, you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're buying lunch Karen helmets, and you're not doing
Speaker 1: You're not the big dog anymore. You know, you go
Speaker 1: right back to the bottom, so and having to fight
Speaker 1: your way back up and all the way you do that,
Speaker 1: it's just by by Sean coming to a good attitude
Speaker 1: and good effort and just I mean balling out at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Did you picture that, because
Speaker 1: like me and Matt both had like we pictured like
Speaker 1: the NBA draft and getting draft in NBA, did you
Speaker 1: picture baseball? Did you play baseball? Draft for the NFL
Speaker 1: draft as a kid? I forgot that. I forgot mentioned
Speaker 1: that going up, I played baseball is my sport. You know,
Speaker 1: um Bland of Braids. You know, God was they sold?
Speaker 1: They got Dame lossup today. But man, the Braids was
Speaker 1: a team. You know, Baseball is my sport. Kingdris cranky
Speaker 1: Kingdrids with Jr. My favorite player. I want to play
Speaker 1: field want you know here home runs all that. You know,
Speaker 1: I got drafted out of high school and play baseball.
Speaker 1: But it's just came a point where football just took
Speaker 1: over that team's sport. You know, just kind of took
Speaker 1: over the camaraderie. You know, I couldn't get enough of it. Now,
Speaker 1: that's crazy you say that because I loved baseball growing
Speaker 1: up to And we got a chance to interview Griffy
Speaker 1: last year on this show and he texts me at
Speaker 1: the Blue the other day, and I'm just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: someone I looked up to and admired so much, just
Speaker 1: text me to say, hey, how are you doing? How's
Speaker 1: your family doing. I'm just like, that's that's the kid
Speaker 1: texting me like griff jery Man. So I feel you
Speaker 1: on that swing. Swing, that the picture perfect swing. So
Speaker 1: you come into the NFL nearly to thirty nine running
Speaker 1: a four three eight at six four? What the hell
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, it's I just love hearing it because,
Speaker 1: like I said, football is my first spart. I love
Speaker 1: football to death. You know, I let the nation in touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I'm six seven and I ran a four three nine
Speaker 1: my senior year. So like you were someone when I
Speaker 1: saw coming the league, I wish you to think like, man,
Speaker 1: if I would have stepped to it, you know what
Speaker 1: would have happened? Like I used to really watch you,
Speaker 1: like damn, Like I would see the hit you take,
Speaker 1: like damn my three inches child, they would have really
Speaker 1: fucked me up on that one. Or just the way
Speaker 1: you were able to physically dominate dudes because we had
Speaker 1: a similar body style. So it was just so dope
Speaker 1: watching you do what you did. And I wish, like
Speaker 1: I said in the opening, that you had a chance
Speaker 1: to win more, you know what I mean, and getting
Speaker 1: in playing playoff games and get a chance to really
Speaker 1: play for a ring, and the fact that you didn't,
Speaker 1: how tough did that way on you, you know, getting
Speaker 1: later in your career. I think the main reason I
Speaker 1: decided to stand destroy it was just because I felt,
Speaker 1: I legitimately felt we had a chance to win that ring.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had an offense that was putting up
Speaker 1: four to five dollar yards a year on offense, and
Speaker 1: we had a defensive line. I know, I mean we
Speaker 1: had the secondary too, but we had the defensive line
Speaker 1: that featured in Dominan Sue Nick Fairley, a young, really
Speaker 1: young c. J. Moseley. But yeah, and then we had
Speaker 1: one of the mean, like a mean defensive line, like
Speaker 1: like old lines. Quarterbacks are scared to come play you.
Speaker 1: That's all That's what you need to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You need you need that good the line, You need
Speaker 1: a defense that could hold up. And you got an
Speaker 1: offense at the school or I will. You know, we
Speaker 1: had the makings and then when everything got blown up
Speaker 1: there towards the ends to rebuild a mode. That's what
Speaker 1: it's a wrap from Nick. Yeah, that's tough. Early on you.
Speaker 1: You did something that you know I like to see.
Speaker 1: And because I'm always pro player and get your you
Speaker 1: held out as a rookie to sign a better deal.
Speaker 1: How how did that end up unfolding? Oh? Man, I
Speaker 1: vaguely even remember that. Uh. What I do remember is that,
Speaker 1: you know, I took the advice of my of my
Speaker 1: Asian bus cook at the time, and he was just
Speaker 1: he was just telling me, you know, this is this
Speaker 1: isn't the deal that we need to sign, you know,
Speaker 1: And I don't have the experience at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: That's why we brought him on board, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know it's really just them me um, not
Speaker 1: not accepting anything less than what I was worth. And
Speaker 1: that's that's one thing I'll tell any player right now. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, if you gotta team by the balls, like
Speaker 1: keep them there, you know, advantage because once they got
Speaker 1: other way around, you best believe they're gonna exercise on you.
Speaker 1: So you you sustained the back injury, UM early on
Speaker 1: in your career, I'm sure the athlete didn't. You wanted
Speaker 1: to get you back out there as fast as possible,
Speaker 1: started taking biking in for the pain. Was there any
Speaker 1: side effects from opioids and then we'll obviously transition that
Speaker 1: into the cannabis talk. Yeah, man, that when I hurt
Speaker 1: my back and I couldn't it just lacking MOB, I
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything swelling back there. I took the opioids
Speaker 1: is mainly Viking and UM, I was taking so many
Speaker 1: of MI. I was like I got an easy. I
Speaker 1: was just thinking like that, it's this is even good,
Speaker 1: you know, because the pain was always there. Any time
Speaker 1: I trying to exert myself, you know, the pain was
Speaker 1: there and that was the only thing that was kind
Speaker 1: of knocked the edge off. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get reliance on that. I think when
Speaker 1: I came into the league, I came in wanted to
Speaker 1: you know, I came in from a holistic perspective. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say with all my sulflements that I took.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a doctor down in the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Progressive Medical Planics not just a little bit south of
Speaker 1: Alpharetta there, went there and did all my blood work,
Speaker 1: you know, found out where I was efficient, you know,
Speaker 1: gave me myselfing that's based off of those things. All
Speaker 1: the somethings that I had were claimed. They went through
Speaker 1: the nfl p A, you know, and make sure. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was just really taking the holistic approach, um
Speaker 1: putting the things derived from the earth in my body
Speaker 1: and not really want to be relying on anything synthetic.
Speaker 1: And that's really kind of the same mind frame that
Speaker 1: brought me over to the one to be involved in
Speaker 1: the cannabis industry. When did you personally start using cannabis.
Speaker 1: My first time using cannabis was in college. My first experience,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw it in high school. I had
Speaker 1: new people in high school that used it. But it
Speaker 1: was just something that you know, I knew if I
Speaker 1: came home smelling like a league, Mrs Johnson gonna put
Speaker 1: me upside down and beat me with someone ever saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, my dumbas took their chance. My dumb
Speaker 1: took their chance. And got them beats every week I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. All Right, So you said you started in college.
Speaker 1: What was that first experience, because I remember I started
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, and my first experience, I was
Speaker 1: fucked up. I got a headache, fell asleep. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't a quitter in the second time. The second time
Speaker 1: I got back to it. I mean, we we've been
Speaker 1: married ever since. So you know, I smoked all through
Speaker 1: high school, all through U c l A. And through
Speaker 1: my whole pro career. And I was someone that looked
Speaker 1: at it similar from a standpoint of I wasn't much
Speaker 1: of a drinker. I was a social drinker. And then
Speaker 1: any kind of even even a vicuting would like twist
Speaker 1: my stomach like makes me feel like I had to
Speaker 1: throw up. And then me having a football mindset, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I played through everything, you know, broken fingers, sprained ankles,
Speaker 1: you know, anything outside of me needing surgery, I was
Speaker 1: gonna play. So cannabis was something that always relaxed me, focused, me,
Speaker 1: helped and you know, the anti inflammatory. It just really
Speaker 1: I felt like I was my best me when I smoked.
Speaker 1: You know, I smoked before the game, after the game,
Speaker 1: off days you see me, I'm smoking, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So what did your routine because we you
Speaker 1: know in sports till the trade you mentioned, you know
Speaker 1: you you medicated after every game. When did you really
Speaker 1: start realizing that the plant was working for you? I
Speaker 1: didn't realize until I got to the NFL when you know,
Speaker 1: I don't understand what we're like when I'm in college.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't you know, you're gonna really suffer
Speaker 1: the same injuries that we did when we're you know,
Speaker 1: when we got to the pros for some reason, like
Speaker 1: you just still have maybe a little bit more band
Speaker 1: in the elasticity to your joints and stuff. I guess
Speaker 1: we're in college. But when I got to the league, man,
Speaker 1: those hits and stuff, they started to you know, compound
Speaker 1: and and and and take their and and and take
Speaker 1: their toll and uh so literally, like I would say,
Speaker 1: probably my first two years in you know, I started
Speaker 1: probably to make a have a have a good routine
Speaker 1: of like after the game sometimes after practice. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting it in because of me, Like say, it's
Speaker 1: the only thing that that brought comfort, that allowed me
Speaker 1: one to sleep, allowed me to relax, and allowed me
Speaker 1: to you know, uh, focus in and and and and
Speaker 1: and freed up some creativity as well. I mean there's differently,
Speaker 1: so many, so many different things that you can use
Speaker 1: it for, you know, like you say information, you know
Speaker 1: that was the chief for me. And but really just
Speaker 1: the overall emotional feeling of well being, you know that
Speaker 1: that I got, you know when I was you know, indulge,
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you when you do tayling. You
Speaker 1: guys ready to been here? Uh Calvin, is there like
Speaker 1: a fan on or a vacuum or something? Oh? Ship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my bad? Automatic? I don't bad. Was that automatic vacuum?
Speaker 1: You said you got that much money? You got that
Speaker 1: motherfucking vacuum. Uh, man, got so much money, you got
Speaker 1: that motherfucker walk that walking vacuum. Hey, what was the
Speaker 1: h Mega computers and all got to get the Mega
Speaker 1: mega vacuum vacuum? What was What was the testing process?
Speaker 1: Like you know with Jack and I when we first
Speaker 1: came into the NBA, we would get tested at the
Speaker 1: at the very beginning in training camp and then we
Speaker 1: were free to do us and that was the best
Speaker 1: type of our lives. And then they started working around
Speaker 1: and giving us four random tests that I had to
Speaker 1: start paying my trainers. Give me your heads up when
Speaker 1: it was coming, just so I can kind of maneuver
Speaker 1: by Jack. Yeah, Jack, what tripth if he couldn't have
Speaker 1: no weeds? So what was your process? What was it
Speaker 1: one in the preseason and you were free to do
Speaker 1: it or did you get tested during the season unless
Speaker 1: you know how messed up it was the day they
Speaker 1: started on four tent so between four twenty and August. Like, ay,
Speaker 1: that's like your window for getting tested, and you get
Speaker 1: tested any time in that window. But once you get
Speaker 1: that test, you get until that next year, until that
Speaker 1: next window comes back around. You got a whole year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like whenever you get in that window, like you get
Speaker 1: it in August, you know, then you got to April.
Speaker 1: If you get into April at the beginning, you got
Speaker 1: to April. But uh yeah, you just the Suther Department.
Speaker 1: The sus is like you gotta you know, train and
Speaker 1: be off of the officers like a month you know
Speaker 1: before you know, give yourself some time where the clear
Speaker 1: out your system and then you gotta be awful. Then
Speaker 1: chill whenever you your test and say you if you
Speaker 1: don't get your tests from you know, something from like
Speaker 1: March when used to get off until you know the
Speaker 1: last uh you know the dirty and that test. That's
Speaker 1: so that's a random that's a random time. Right. They
Speaker 1: don't give you no heads up or nothing. Just in
Speaker 1: that window. They can say, c J, we need your pee.
Speaker 1: I mean, so they will start, but they'll give you
Speaker 1: like that like that's talk your position group per se.
Speaker 1: You know, they're like, hey, we got your group, like
Speaker 1: this week, we got receivers this week. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's about the earl. You probably that's hey, I could
Speaker 1: have beat that. Every time you give me a heads
Speaker 1: up out of here, I'm good. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I think coming out the pores, I don't know about
Speaker 1: to beat that. You know, so I used to ain't
Speaker 1: no bullshit, man. I used to carry my detox drink
Speaker 1: with me, like I beat test day of smoking the
Speaker 1: night before, like not knowing the next morning I was
Speaker 1: gonna be peeing. Sometimes I didn't get their heads up.
Speaker 1: But if I can give me two hours and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a clean test. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much weed I smoked the knife you said that at
Speaker 1: that Dame brand for an endorsement. Dream I dream, but
Speaker 1: the detox drinks man, because it's like to me, yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, there was no other options. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we can laugh and joke about it now. And and
Speaker 1: you know, we've only started gaining traction because there's been
Speaker 1: medical research behind it, because you know, now we're seeing that, Okay,
Speaker 1: it does help with this, it does help with that.
Speaker 1: And we've been saying this the whole time, but we've
Speaker 1: been labeled as losers, stoners, you know, Dopez, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, because we knew what this plant
Speaker 1: from the earth did for us, but it just hadn't
Speaker 1: had enough research on it yet. So I'm just happy,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm glad we could laugh about it now,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we're making progression and professional sports and
Speaker 1: across the medical field as a whole. But it really
Speaker 1: helps people. And then what's the alternative? I mean, as
Speaker 1: a GM or a president or owner, do you want
Speaker 1: your players drinking or all piled up or you want
Speaker 1: them sitting there and at the house smoking the joint,
Speaker 1: laughing a lot. I don't know what the culture was
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but I know, you know, everybody knows
Speaker 1: it now about the NFL. You know, we got we
Speaker 1: got to the NFL. You know, you're just going to
Speaker 1: trans room and get whatever you wanted, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: just going into the bag. You know. It was like skittles,
Speaker 1: like skittles, anything you needed, anything you needed. How did
Speaker 1: you get the name Megatron? And when? When? When did
Speaker 1: that stick? When I got drafted No. Seven, um to
Speaker 1: Detroit my teammate Roy Williams, he was starting ex receiver
Speaker 1: at the time. Um, it was just happy. It's just
Speaker 1: tilling me. Everything's time me man. And with this specifically,
Speaker 1: the movie came out writing O seven and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he just said, ay, you're big, strong, fast,
Speaker 1: you move like when he started to call the Megatron.
Speaker 1: But you didn't really catch you on until oh wait,
Speaker 1: you know after after that rookie season, second season you're
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of history, going oh and sixteen?
Speaker 1: What was that? Like a lot of dope that year
Speaker 1: had to be, man, you had to be smoked out there.
Speaker 1: What you're doing right? Man? I mean sure you gotta
Speaker 1: come somehow. Man, you don't know how to deal with that.
Speaker 1: My home was just like do know how long I
Speaker 1: want to play? Man? Like It's like you're like we're
Speaker 1: in the cold. We gotta finish our season in Green
Speaker 1: Bay every year, like man, So it took you guys
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, it took you guys a
Speaker 1: little bit to you go into your first handful of years.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys finally make the playoffs in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven. What was the process like just actually
Speaker 1: finally getting there? After like you said, all the ups
Speaker 1: and downs, oh and six teams and two and four teams.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking to a lot of events that
Speaker 1: been that played in different places, you know, and coaches
Speaker 1: and whatnot, you could come to realize, like there's a time,
Speaker 1: I guess when the team has a has a moment
Speaker 1: where they have this this chance kind of to like,
Speaker 1: you know, take it to the next level. Sheep just
Speaker 1: team together, allowed them build around his team and let
Speaker 1: them you know, go all the way with it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got that team together, and you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: what that's what you do. You got together the defense
Speaker 1: line together, we got the offense putting up these numbers,
Speaker 1: and we finally got their um good coaching. It's really
Speaker 1: just a team and you know, the team was viving
Speaker 1: and we had a great chemistry. We're hanging out together
Speaker 1: off the field. You know, that's the feeling that we had.
Speaker 1: Guys were playing for each other. You know, there were
Speaker 1: no selfish motives. You know, we got the cancers out
Speaker 1: of the locker room. You know, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: just that filling up togetherness and moving as one unit.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's moving march into the same tomb, saying
Speaker 1: the same things, whether it comes to the media, whether
Speaker 1: it's just us talking about you know, how we're making
Speaker 1: each other better. You know, it's it's no big wasn't
Speaker 1: b s. You know, it wasn't a bunch of off
Speaker 1: the field stuff. Everybody's focused. Everybody was able to compart
Speaker 1: with the laws and and and and and focus on
Speaker 1: the mission at hand. And that was just what's happening today.
Speaker 1: What are we doing today? Today's third n day. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna focus on third down day, tomorrow's reds one day,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a perfect red zone day. And just that,
Speaker 1: let I say Stagno's good days up and as we
Speaker 1: were able to do um at the best, at the
Speaker 1: highest level during my time in Detroit, were those latter
Speaker 1: years in my career there two thousand and twelve. You're
Speaker 1: rewarded for all your hard work. He signed a hundred
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollar contract over eight years. That's why
Speaker 1: you got walking vacuums in your house still to this day,
Speaker 1: exact sixty million guaranteed. I mean, for that time, this
Speaker 1: was something that was unheard of. Obviously, they rewarded you
Speaker 1: for your for for you know, your your hard work
Speaker 1: on the field, and you rewarded them with the career
Speaker 1: year yourself a hundred twenty two catches nineteen hundred sixty
Speaker 1: four yards. I mean, what was that like considering still
Speaker 1: your team went back to not playing well, but you
Speaker 1: had an amazing season. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: was so fortunate. You know, my whole time in Detroit,
Speaker 1: Man I had a coach and Seawan Jefferson. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't talk about my career without mentioning
Speaker 1: him because he's the same guy. You know, sand played
Speaker 1: for San Diego, Atlanta and in New England. I think
Speaker 1: you played for thirteen years. You know, played under Bill Parcels,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the toughest coaches out there, and
Speaker 1: you know he brought that grid to the receiver locks
Speaker 1: to the receiver room, and he got to say every
Speaker 1: year at the beginning of every season, you want to
Speaker 1: be great, And of course you're gonna answer you yes,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'm gonna coach you like you want
Speaker 1: to be great, and I'll tell you he did that.
Speaker 1: He did that each and every day, whether you felt
Speaker 1: like it or not, he got it out of you.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean him just pushing us every day.
Speaker 1: He helped us. You know, the main thing you want
Speaker 1: to do when you're practicing is bring that game like
Speaker 1: intensity to the practice so that when you so that
Speaker 1: it translates to Sunday or whatever day you're playing. And
Speaker 1: you know he pushed that, he got that, He got
Speaker 1: that out of us, and he got it out of
Speaker 1: me each and every each and every day while he
Speaker 1: was there. You know, it was sad to see him
Speaker 1: going after my six or seventh year, but you know
Speaker 1: he is still so much of me at the time
Speaker 1: that you know that that can never leave four and
Speaker 1: twelve done looking like somebody who had a bad shoes
Speaker 1: night in the NBA. Oh my god, that's rough man.
Speaker 1: How is it though, for you, because obviously your ultimate
Speaker 1: team player to have the type of season you had,
Speaker 1: you know, historical season and in context, but still your
Speaker 1: team not doing well, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: there's no moral victories. You know, once you get to
Speaker 1: the pros. The fucking loss is a loss, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you're still going out there putting up
Speaker 1: amazing numbers. How did you balance the two situations? Press? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it's just one. Just I'm
Speaker 1: not leaving me personally. I'm like, okay, I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I'm just the overall you know, thirty dollars in foot
Speaker 1: of you. You You know, I'm supposed to have a hunt
Speaker 1: of yards every day. I just got to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. That's what that's my expectation for myself. And
Speaker 1: I don't get that. And you know, I didn't do
Speaker 1: something right that day. I was I didn't have my
Speaker 1: I wasn't at my best that day. But it's just
Speaker 1: like it's hard, you know. But like I said, if
Speaker 1: I had that coach, I was pushing me each and
Speaker 1: every day, and that practice that I put in, all
Speaker 1: that running and all that stuff during the week, you know,
Speaker 1: the one for nothing. So I had to let I
Speaker 1: have let it out on on Wednesday, that frustration loosen.
Speaker 1: You know, the defenders had to feel that. You know,
Speaker 1: they felt that with every block, you know, every time
Speaker 1: I caught the ball and trying to get the Yet
Speaker 1: you know they felt that because you know, we had
Speaker 1: too much on the team to to be falling by
Speaker 1: the wayside like that. And you know it's like I say,
Speaker 1: it's just aggressive, and then I just try to find
Speaker 1: I just try to compartmentalize these things while I'm playing.
Speaker 1: That pends up, aggression, all that stuff. You trying to
Speaker 1: focus it. You know, I let it out on the field,
Speaker 1: whether it's that's losing, you know, whether it's just you know,
Speaker 1: just whatever it may be that thing's got me, whether
Speaker 1: it's just fired up. You know, I just trying to
Speaker 1: focus that and put in and directed. And I was
Speaker 1: able to do that and you know, put away put
Speaker 1: put by the wayside. Yes, we're losing and just you
Speaker 1: know fall You're never want to just say I'm focusing
Speaker 1: on on on myself, But I mean, I'm just focusing
Speaker 1: on being the best version of myself. And if I
Speaker 1: do that, you know, that's how that's the best way
Speaker 1: for me to help the team. I feel like facts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a job to do. Yeah, we had totally
Speaker 1: understand that we've been on some we've been on some
Speaker 1: teams that we would losers, but we still had a
Speaker 1: job to do. Who did Who did you look forward
Speaker 1: to matching up with on your career? Patrick Peterson? Um? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: LVS Man, I'm aloys to be serious. Man. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: it's fun playing him because because Pat, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: he's in your face all the time. He's going to
Speaker 1: follow you. It's like kind of like the Jerry Rice
Speaker 1: Dion where he gonna everywhere you go, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate that, you know, you appreciate that
Speaker 1: one of that level respect that you're getting because okay,
Speaker 1: you're getting the other teams best defender. He's following you
Speaker 1: everywhere you go and at the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just know that at the time, like, Okay, when
Speaker 1: I look back on this, this is gonna be like
Speaker 1: some there's gonna be some o G show. You got
Speaker 1: to two oldgs battling right here. You know those kind
Speaker 1: of battles, man, because he's pushing me and I'm pushing
Speaker 1: him to bring out the best. And uh, you've ever
Speaker 1: seen some some some some great plays. You know, from
Speaker 1: both of us when we got the plays over your career,
Speaker 1: is there one defense that stood out to you the most,
Speaker 1: like a particular season, maybe a team you played that
Speaker 1: ended up winning the super Bowl that year that we're like, god, damn,
Speaker 1: that's the hell of a defense. Yeah. I hated playing
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings man. We played him twice a year and
Speaker 1: all I remember hearing man our our the line can
Speaker 1: call nobody our old linees, but particularly online. They would
Speaker 1: hate playing these guys, Jared Allen, those two big Williams
Speaker 1: brothers in the middle. You know they were resting. They
Speaker 1: would wreck our defense every week. You know, I think, um,
Speaker 1: you probably. I don't know if y'all remember this. You know,
Speaker 1: Daniels Alowski to got it on TV does a lot
Speaker 1: of comment tab. I don't know if y'all remember he
Speaker 1: ran out the back of the end zone from a safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was literally running from Jared out because I dude
Speaker 1: was getting after him all game and he just lost
Speaker 1: track of where he was because he said, out of here,
Speaker 1: I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 1: Oh that I ain't taking that hit. Hall of As
Speaker 1: as a receiver. Um, you know, you get teed off on.
Speaker 1: People always get to hit you. I remember I used
Speaker 1: to love the crack back, the peel back block. Do
Speaker 1: you have one particular peel back or crack back where
Speaker 1: you just suck somebody up? Man, I got one to
Speaker 1: tell you. It was as a little fail. Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't I got something that I really like. You know,
Speaker 1: some people out you know, but I got one where
Speaker 1: it was absolute fail. I'll tell you about It's actually
Speaker 1: more fun. We're playing Chicago at Chicago and this is
Speaker 1: my rookie year and I had to go in and
Speaker 1: crack um Lance Bridge. I'm just trying to the He's
Speaker 1: from us, so we played in high school at the
Speaker 1: same time. He's from out my way, Okay, you know
Speaker 1: what you know, he's you know, he's a man boy,
Speaker 1: somebody you don't want to have to hit. Man. He
Speaker 1: saw me, and he like, I'm coming down in motion,
Speaker 1: you know, my little slogan and my little short motion,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm about to run round. I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to look at him, but I'm peeking on the
Speaker 1: inside of my eye and I was trying to die. Damn.
Speaker 1: I hope he don't see me. I hope you don't
Speaker 1: see it. Right before the ball snap, he looked me
Speaker 1: up and he looked right at me, and he's just
Speaker 1: writing and wrapping the ball snap. He just ran right
Speaker 1: out and he died nose to play. He just ran
Speaker 1: around me, ran through me. Made too like I get
Speaker 1: tossed out on Monday. So yeah, that's like I just
Speaker 1: seen one, like an old highlight. Tried to crack back
Speaker 1: on Ray Lewis and he blinds oide of Ray Lewis,
Speaker 1: but still he was the one that still got sucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bloody Ray that's another one. You don't hit the dirt.
Speaker 1: He just he too big out there. Big. What is
Speaker 1: your action? You still you just said earlier, you're still
Speaker 1: in Michigan. What's your connection to the Detroit community. How
Speaker 1: much did that mean to you? In no way. I
Speaker 1: started my foundation, man, Calvin Johnson jam Foundation just focus
Speaker 1: on helping the youth, abuse families and just the individuals
Speaker 1: become better members of the best versions of themselves and
Speaker 1: better members of society. And so we've been getting scholarships
Speaker 1: in Atlanta in Detroit um for the last decade. Now
Speaker 1: say since the way and uh, whether then I'll do
Speaker 1: my camps both here and there, and uh, we do
Speaker 1: you know things with kids, whether go to the elementary schools.
Speaker 1: You know, we read to the kids. Just try to
Speaker 1: be available to talk to the kids, schools and teams
Speaker 1: whenever I'm available, you know, because I mean, now I
Speaker 1: might the point where like, okay, the best I mean,
Speaker 1: the best thing I could do is gore and talk
Speaker 1: to these kids and just give them as much knowledge
Speaker 1: as I can. I hope they hang onto something. That's
Speaker 1: what's up two thousand thirteen, seven and nine season, Uh,
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, eleven and five, seven and nine
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, and that's when you you
Speaker 1: was that your final season? Yeah? What was it like
Speaker 1: being one of the greatest receivers we've ever seen, uh,
Speaker 1: in such a short span, but never really being on
Speaker 1: a consistent winner like you You mentioned you guys felt
Speaker 1: you had what it took to build a championship type team.
Speaker 1: Never really got over that mountain. But what was it
Speaker 1: like being so elite and then not really being able
Speaker 1: to to shine or really get an opportunity to shine
Speaker 1: in the playoffs? Yeah, it was unfortunate. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't go, but you can't help but have the film
Speaker 1: like we we obviously did in maximize the talent that
Speaker 1: we had, you know, and all you could do, all
Speaker 1: anybody could do, is point itself and like, hey there's something,
Speaker 1: Well what could I have done better? You know, you
Speaker 1: know I could have had you know, maybe two thousand
Speaker 1: yards fifteen hundred yards one year, and maybe that would
Speaker 1: have helped. You know, look back, maybe there's a ball
Speaker 1: I dropped I could have should have caught, you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just just a simple fact that
Speaker 1: we did maxim as the talent and you got you
Speaker 1: got me no offense, you got Stafford, you got uh
Speaker 1: donal can suit on defense. You know, you got some
Speaker 1: decent all around the team, you know, and cheap positions
Speaker 1: that that you should be able to uh you know,
Speaker 1: be able to have a winning team. We just didn't
Speaker 1: have the winning culture though. You know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: more than go go those into it, than just having
Speaker 1: those key players so tied to a big contract. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's rumors or not, but you know,
Speaker 1: they won't let you out of the contract and you decide,
Speaker 1: you decide to step away at thirty. Was there ever
Speaker 1: a time you thought, okay, I took this year off,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna go back, or I've tooken these two
Speaker 1: years off, maybe I want to go back to that.
Speaker 1: Ever cross your mind once you decided to step away
Speaker 1: from the game, you know, I mean, I can't say
Speaker 1: that I didn't think about, like, can I still do it?
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a long vault, because I mean I
Speaker 1: was going to tire after my eighth season. You know.
Speaker 1: I was literally the only reason I didn't do it
Speaker 1: because I went. I was at home in Georgia talking
Speaker 1: to my dad on his couch and I was like, man, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm done. You know, I can't do it. The more
Speaker 1: you know the team, they've blown up the team. My
Speaker 1: body is just aking. I don't have a range of
Speaker 1: motion like I used to. I can't get out, I
Speaker 1: can't dig like I used to. You know. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel it. I just don't have the
Speaker 1: love for it because it's always hurting, you know, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't happen. He looked at me,
Speaker 1: He's like, you think you can do it one more time?
Speaker 1: And I was just you know, I sat there and
Speaker 1: sat palled for a second. Once I paused He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, you can at least do it one more time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, right, all right. So I went
Speaker 1: out for the last year. I knew my whole season
Speaker 1: is gonna be my last season. Was telling my guys,
Speaker 1: uh during the during the season, like you know that
Speaker 1: you know made Kobe resting rest in power man. He
Speaker 1: had retired. He announced he was gonna retire, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm gonna be right behind Kobe. Dog.
Speaker 1: I'm a pout of here, man, I'm done. And my
Speaker 1: guys they didn't believe me. They were just like, you know,
Speaker 1: shut up, man. But then after I was retired, a
Speaker 1: couple of guys were back there like, dude, if you
Speaker 1: weren't playing, you were there that serious im Like, I
Speaker 1: ain't never lied to you. Yeah, was there ever a
Speaker 1: time that you wanted to, you know, get out? You know,
Speaker 1: with the NBA and the way players move around, the
Speaker 1: way superstars move around with pretty much free realm and
Speaker 1: free range, ever crossed your mind? I'll tell you that's
Speaker 1: something that NFL guys admired about the NBA. Man, like John,
Speaker 1: how do you get out of there and just go
Speaker 1: here and there? Like Wow, that's awesome. You know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to try to if I was to win
Speaker 1: somewhere else, maybe maybe trying to start you sticking out
Speaker 1: a little more, but it just wasn't worth it than
Speaker 1: me doing it there in Detroit. Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy to me, being such a football fan,
Speaker 1: to see that Barry Sanders did a similar thing you did,
Speaker 1: I mean, played his ass off for ten years and
Speaker 1: you know, decided to respectfully step away and never really
Speaker 1: got over that hump. And then you know, you come
Speaker 1: along as a receiver and do the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: and we're never really able to get over a hump,
Speaker 1: but stayed loyal, you know, stay loyal to the soil.
Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier before. Can you imagine if
Speaker 1: you know, if Barry got to run behind Emma Smith's
Speaker 1: line or Terrell Davis's line back then, or if or
Speaker 1: or if you had Tom Brady, or if you had
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rock, you know what if Peyton Manning?
Speaker 1: You know what happens, you know, I mean, as someone
Speaker 1: who didn't play the game, we like to fantasize to think,
Speaker 1: like what if they had you as a target. It
Speaker 1: would be incredible, you know, what's funny, man? Whenever we
Speaker 1: play a Green Bay, you know Aaron Rodgers when whenever
Speaker 1: he's over on our sidline, I should be standing there.
Speaker 1: He'll be over. He was like, may man, you need
Speaker 1: to come on over here. I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: wish you could, dude, real you and Aaron Rodgers together,
Speaker 1: holy ship. When you retired, obviously before your contract ended,
Speaker 1: did you have to pay any of the money back?
Speaker 1: You know, I know football is a lot different with
Speaker 1: their money than basketball is. Yeah. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the reason for the risk between you know,
Speaker 1: the team and you know they maybe pay some money back.
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean if you went. The reason
Speaker 1: I don't have any involvement with him, it's because of that.
Speaker 1: You know, like you can't you know, maybe pay money
Speaker 1: back and then still want me to come around. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, right, right? Right? Right? Wait, so
Speaker 1: they wanted you to pay and then still kind of
Speaker 1: being an ambassador for the team. Yeah, yeah, don't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't give my services after that, after all the
Speaker 1: time I put in you just no more so. Nine
Speaker 1: seasons over eleven thousand, six yards, three receiving touchdowns, you
Speaker 1: rank on the all time list. When you sit back
Speaker 1: and get a chance to just look at your career,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? They're happened so fast, you know.
Speaker 1: I keep going back to second those days up. Man.
Speaker 1: That's all I try to do is just live in
Speaker 1: the moment and stack the days up. I think maybe
Speaker 1: you guys from the test to it, you know, you
Speaker 1: just try to live in the moment. Tom flies, you know,
Speaker 1: and next thing you look back and like, oha, I know,
Speaker 1: I got a kid that's two years old. I got
Speaker 1: a six year old boy that's just started a school.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like damn. So I just try
Speaker 1: to you know, continuously, ain't. It Ain't perfect, and I try,
Speaker 1: and I have my days so I'm off, but I
Speaker 1: try still just be the best version of myself and
Speaker 1: perfect any task that I'm you know, focused on that
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm doing at the at the moment, you know,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, that's that's just the principle of
Speaker 1: how I've been living post career. You did a little
Speaker 1: bit on Dancing with the Stars. Man, talk to us
Speaker 1: about that. Man, Happy Happy Now tall y'all too tall? Man?
Speaker 1: The girls three interest shorter than we are what you mean,
Speaker 1: That's that's the big difference, bro, That's a big six
Speaker 1: five totally differ. Yeah, but how was that the gaming
Speaker 1: the call? I denied him like two or three times,
Speaker 1: and my wife said, you know this is at the time,
Speaker 1: like everybody was using yolo, you know, and she was
Speaker 1: like she was just that's like they keep on calling
Speaker 1: me about the day show. When what do do you think
Speaker 1: She's like yolo? You know. I like spending time with Cali,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so end up doing I had
Speaker 1: a great partner um. Even during that show, man, I
Speaker 1: almost stopped doing the show because my ankles were swelling
Speaker 1: up so bad. I couldn't. I really couldn't move and
Speaker 1: do the things I was supposed to do. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't move, I could my range emotional was
Speaker 1: just tied down. So one of my homies season, the
Speaker 1: Film Industry out there played me at Georgia tech O
Speaker 1: Sahana Tongo. Uh. You know, we was just kicking it
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, man, like I'm got to
Speaker 1: quit the show because you know, I can't move out
Speaker 1: here like I need you to do out here looking
Speaker 1: like a fool on live TV. You know, I'm I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll just just check me out, you know whatever, and
Speaker 1: uh he was like, hold on, man, I got something
Speaker 1: for you. He brought me a topical. You know. It's
Speaker 1: my real really my first experience really using topicals for me.
Speaker 1: It's just flower flower concentris maybe, you know. And I
Speaker 1: put up the topic for my ankle and over there
Speaker 1: the course of the next couple of weeks, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like my swelling stand down, it's
Speaker 1: not my ankles aren't blowing it up anymore. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it might be something to this. From that point on,
Speaker 1: I was already a believer, but really you wanted to
Speaker 1: get behind the science of cannabis and learn more. At
Speaker 1: that point then he was in County, so you know,
Speaker 1: you can burn freely, just burned it down, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something too that you kind
Speaker 1: of reminded. My brother played eight years in the CFL
Speaker 1: receiver nearly died as I'm spleen, almost ruptured, was retired
Speaker 1: after eight or nine years. But I remember his first
Speaker 1: couple of years walking around like an old ass man,
Speaker 1: and he was like, twenty nine, how long did it
Speaker 1: take for your body to kind of is it? Is
Speaker 1: it still daily? Does it come and go? I mean
Speaker 1: I played fifteen and I wake up, thank thank the Lord,
Speaker 1: wake up every morning. Fine, Like no aches, no pains.
Speaker 1: You played a sport obviously, but with more contact. But
Speaker 1: you got hit a lot almost every single play. If
Speaker 1: he wasn't blocking, I mean, if he wasn't catching, he
Speaker 1: was blocking at least. How is your body now and
Speaker 1: how long did it take for it to feel some
Speaker 1: of courts sort of normalcy? Yeah, he comes to goals,
Speaker 1: like you said, You know, it depends on what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: If I'm just ride my bike, you know, I'll ride
Speaker 1: my bike and I'll ride like fifteen miles or something,
Speaker 1: I get back home. I had swelling in my ankle,
Speaker 1: so I got you ank out my topical on row
Speaker 1: the slide of the slide of right on my ankles. Um.
Speaker 1: If I'm doing my training like my camps, man, you
Speaker 1: know I tried to, you know, in my camps, I
Speaker 1: demonstrate the drills I wanted to do. You know, next
Speaker 1: day I'm like at the bed dragging my feet like
Speaker 1: I just played the whole game the next day, So
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a chance on the level activity
Speaker 1: I do, but it doesn't take much to get my
Speaker 1: get me, get the body all jammed up, not at all.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing that like that the normal fan
Speaker 1: doesn't understand about the stuff we put our bodies, in
Speaker 1: particular football players. It's just like you have a life
Speaker 1: to live after and it's not. It's not what you think.
Speaker 1: No matter how much money you may think someone got,
Speaker 1: Like you're living with daily, real life, daily pain. Not
Speaker 1: to mention you know, the the CTE and and the concussions.
Speaker 1: You know you spoke on that before something that you
Speaker 1: know it's scary and there's so much research on it
Speaker 1: now is the reason why I won't let my kids
Speaker 1: play tackle till they get to high school. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on all that? In particular CTV, Because you
Speaker 1: know you've had a few concussions in your time speaking
Speaker 1: about c T I learned more and more about it. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not to say every day, but like
Speaker 1: on a monthly basis, because we're associated with this company
Speaker 1: and company out of Orlando, Florida called Nextry. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've heard of them. Basically they got their
Speaker 1: name Nextry from neural strength. Basically, if you can imagine
Speaker 1: how you can build muscles. You know, you can rebuild
Speaker 1: a brain brain brain muscles as well. So it's called
Speaker 1: neural plasticity, and it's just you know, it's just literally
Speaker 1: training your muscles and in your brain you literally could
Speaker 1: re reattached connections and build your brain up. So, UM,
Speaker 1: I employ you guys looking to it, please, because I
Speaker 1: think there's there's a lot to it. Um, we're tied
Speaker 1: in with those guys, and and they're from those guys.
Speaker 1: We got a connection with Harvard with what we're doing
Speaker 1: with cannabis. But going back to c TE, you know,
Speaker 1: just getting behind the research, Um, just learning more about
Speaker 1: you know, trying to create solutions. You know, that's honestly
Speaker 1: what my companies are trying to do. Four players, you know,
Speaker 1: just create solutions in that space for guys, whether it's
Speaker 1: you know, football, basketball, you know, veterans, you know, anybody
Speaker 1: that that that suffers from any kind of head trauma.
Speaker 1: But along with that, you know, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: just educating people about the psychology, mental health, emotional intelligence,
Speaker 1: all those things go together. I think that all those
Speaker 1: things all together kind of like that like in cannabis,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the entourage effect, and you get all
Speaker 1: those things together, it's all better. Yes, you and your
Speaker 1: wife stepped into the cannabis space and in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: can you tell us about what what you're doing in
Speaker 1: the space right now? Yeah? I love too. Man. Um.
Speaker 1: We started here, we spend the journey. Uh, we're about
Speaker 1: two and a half years and now. We started with
Speaker 1: some licensure issues. At the very beginning, we got denied.
Speaker 1: They literally denied us because I had some traffic citations.
Speaker 1: I was like, really, the denying people over attractive citations
Speaker 1: and we're trying to find out that wasn't none of
Speaker 1: the bias and uh and and come to find I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's because of us, but that board
Speaker 1: that was making those decisions got removed and we got approved.
Speaker 1: About thirty days later, I got licensed and from that
Speaker 1: point on, we got license. We built out our first
Speaker 1: growth twelve thousand square feet UM that's been operating for
Speaker 1: about a year now and uh, we're we got processing
Speaker 1: running that's been operating, uh just this year. And we're
Speaker 1: in the process of getting our first two retails built
Speaker 1: out right now, so another month or two relief will
Speaker 1: be vertical fully vertical and along with the cannabis side.
Speaker 1: You know that I mentioned Harvard, we got the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do some further uh, some further research and and
Speaker 1: bring up some awareness there as well. So we got
Speaker 1: a lot of things going for us right now. UM
Speaker 1: A lot was saying really busy right now, it's just fun.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we just want
Speaker 1: to bring um, bringing a level of professionalism to this
Speaker 1: industry so people can respect it and educate people. UM.
Speaker 1: On the medicine, do you have your own brand or
Speaker 1: you white labeling? How do you get your flower out there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have our own brand. Primitive is our name. Why
Speaker 1: do we call primitive discuss the original medicine. You know,
Speaker 1: it's spelling primitive the regular way without the um, without
Speaker 1: the e of the n, so so printive primitive cannabis, cannabis.
Speaker 1: You know, elevating wellness is our thing. Primative group. We
Speaker 1: probably look it up Primitive group dot com. That's what
Speaker 1: we have to splash place, slash page, you know, just
Speaker 1: a little especially, just a little description of what we
Speaker 1: got coming. And you have to we we definitely, um,
Speaker 1: you guys do edibles, tinctures, the whole nine. You guys
Speaker 1: on just on the flyer side were capable doing all
Speaker 1: its tractions. Um, we capable doing everything. Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about what you're doing
Speaker 1: because I'm working on some stuff too, So I'll get
Speaker 1: your number after that. Happy to talk about it. Yet,
Speaker 1: do you still use we? We we just kind of
Speaker 1: just discussed it. It It comes and goes. Do you still
Speaker 1: use cannabis for pain management now? Or is it just
Speaker 1: more on a relaxed focused tip? Both both? You know,
Speaker 1: it depends what I'm doing. Um, I mean, like I say,
Speaker 1: if I want to be relaxed, if I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, go if I got a busy day and
Speaker 1: I want to kind of chill, you know, before I
Speaker 1: get gone, before I go to sleep, you know, I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna have a great sleep and wake up,
Speaker 1: you know, eight hours later, refreshed to go about my day,
Speaker 1: ready to go. You know, it just depends, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm usually every day. Yeah, I probably get it
Speaker 1: in at least once a day. Yeah, what's up? Welcome?
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Uh two thousand twenty one. Uh, you'll be
Speaker 1: a Pro Football Hall of Fame nominee should be what
Speaker 1: should be an industrial What do you what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts coming from the kid they used to call butterfingers
Speaker 1: um to next year us to be being uh NFL
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I think it's just, you know, a
Speaker 1: story of persistence. Man. You know, you might get knocked down.
Speaker 1: You know, people might tell you might you're not just
Speaker 1: and that you know you might not win here there.
Speaker 1: But it's just I mean, in order for us to
Speaker 1: be where we're at, there's a lot of failures that happen,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of getting enough that happened too,
Speaker 1: you know, So you know, it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: just how many times you're willing to get back up.
Speaker 1: You know, if you keep on getting up, you'll find success.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? I mean, you guys have much
Speaker 1: bigger crowds than than basketball does. And you saw the
Speaker 1: NBA played in the bubble. What would be your thoughts
Speaker 1: were playing with barely any fans or no fans in
Speaker 1: a big old football stadium. It's tough, man. You get
Speaker 1: so much energy from the crowd. You get energy from
Speaker 1: the crowd. Man. It's it's just like they'd be like practice,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be like training camp. Like that one scrimmage,
Speaker 1: one or two scrimmages you have in praying to training camp.
Speaker 1: But the first game had to feel like that because
Speaker 1: guys had to get used into it. It probably wasn't
Speaker 1: too Somebody got hit in the mouth for real, and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, this is real, right we focused. I
Speaker 1: thought they were supposed to blow the else before you
Speaker 1: hit me. Hold up straight up. Being removed from the game.
Speaker 1: Now for nearly five years, do you still follow the game?
Speaker 1: Watch it? Follow any teams or players? More so now
Speaker 1: the last two years. The first couple of years, you know,
Speaker 1: I just so you know, just not interesting act and
Speaker 1: just what the interest level wasn't there. But now the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, you know, we met my brother
Speaker 1: in law or just two friends. You know, we always
Speaker 1: you know, we got a reason to watch. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got somebody to pay attention to. Going around meeting
Speaker 1: different guys around the league. After I retired and talking
Speaker 1: to different teams, you know, I've met some guys. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me pay attention to um Mamari Cooper. He seems
Speaker 1: like he's a good kid. You know, he's a good egg.
Speaker 1: Let me let me pay attention to you know, I
Speaker 1: talk to Jarvis. Let me to see what they're doing
Speaker 1: up there in Cleveland, you know, I just like to,
Speaker 1: you know, see what those guys are doing that I've
Speaker 1: met that I've had a good core with. Do you
Speaker 1: mentor any of the younger guys or current guys in
Speaker 1: the NFL not hand on hand, I've done some things
Speaker 1: with some of the guys. You know, they as they
Speaker 1: come in, their agents would have me come out and
Speaker 1: talk to them, or coaches would have me come to
Speaker 1: teams and just in time with the receiving group, she
Speaker 1: was giving them to bits. I love doing that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, Like I just want to you know, everything
Speaker 1: I got, you know, I want to pour it back in.
Speaker 1: I might not know everything, but everything I got I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do. I'm willing to give you. You got
Speaker 1: to hold on to it, you know what. Goddamn enough
Speaker 1: with the numbers you put up, right for real? Are
Speaker 1: you an NBA fan? Do you do you follow teams players? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, sir.
Speaker 1: I can't lie. I do watch more so tours when
Speaker 1: it gets closer to the playoffs, but it's a long
Speaker 1: ast season. We understand that we don't watch half heard
Speaker 1: half the ship either, man. Can y'all come straight from
Speaker 1: home and go? Who like, Oh, y'all gotta be like
Speaker 1: I know now you probably got one when y'all was
Speaker 1: first started, y'all rookies and stuff like that. Y'all just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: couch had a nice little burger or something. Let me
Speaker 1: go and go. It depends on the competition. I still
Speaker 1: can do that now. It just depends on one playing. See,
Speaker 1: I'm like you like my post career. I retired to seventeen,
Speaker 1: and I haven't had I don't want to play basketball
Speaker 1: no more. Like I coached my kids and I'll work
Speaker 1: my kids out, but I have no urge to run
Speaker 1: up and down the motherfucking court no more. Like it's
Speaker 1: just naughty. But I can still talk about it, analyze
Speaker 1: it on ESPN, but I just have no urge personally
Speaker 1: to play it anymore. I love the who I love
Speaker 1: to running down to court, but I mean them gas,
Speaker 1: But I love it, man. No one one thing y'all
Speaker 1: you mentioned like before the games, you would get in like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I did it one time, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh I was so also parano it because I
Speaker 1: had a good game, you know, And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. You know, they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it no more.
Speaker 1: I never did it since then, but I had it.
Speaker 1: So you smoke before a game and you had you
Speaker 1: spoke before a game and had a good game. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's one of those. So it's this situation. I was
Speaker 1: on the way to a game and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those games, like like man, I
Speaker 1: ain't got no those lose Like I'm hurt, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't want to play today. You know.
Speaker 1: I was just like, don't forget it, like light it up.
Speaker 1: But I had a good game, you know. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: really shoot the edge off of everything. I feel like pain.
Speaker 1: And I was able to just you know, function, and
Speaker 1: I was just I was so fair and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it was good while I lasted. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with that again. He that
Speaker 1: should have been he that should have been a rich
Speaker 1: or whatever that should have been an that should have
Speaker 1: been a sign right there, like every day on the
Speaker 1: way to state. That's what I mean. There's a regret.
Speaker 1: Maybe that. But the only reason, the only other reason
Speaker 1: why I didn't do it, just because like, man, if
Speaker 1: you burn like I run all day, I gotta run, like,
Speaker 1: you know, three miles a game, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just I need my win. I need my
Speaker 1: win to be bro. And actually I was like mixtically,
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, it's messing my lungs. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm out here renting, you were overthinking it. Because
Speaker 1: that was my game. I ran. I ran. So that's
Speaker 1: why it's funny. Because I would train. I would train
Speaker 1: that much harder in the summer, knowing how much weed
Speaker 1: I smoke, no bullshit, Like I really went out of
Speaker 1: my wage because I love to run too. So I
Speaker 1: would run and do sprints in the preseason because I
Speaker 1: know my job was almost to be like a track
Speaker 1: athlete out there on the basketball court. So I would
Speaker 1: really prepare to the summer, what extra ship, knowing because
Speaker 1: I probably got about three bunts coming to season ahead
Speaker 1: of me. I need to get ready. So who's your
Speaker 1: NBA team or who or some players you follow uh
Speaker 1: NBA team right now? You know? I was, I like
Speaker 1: I was following the Raptors for a little bit just
Speaker 1: because I like uh, well I can't pronounced the man
Speaker 1: names like him, um uh Pascal Sam Pascal. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like him. I met at him, been around him a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I just like I said, the
Speaker 1: guys I meet, I followed those those guys I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of. I was a big fan of Kawaii,
Speaker 1: you know, the Dame of him, since he was coming
Speaker 1: out of college. You know, I've been I've been following
Speaker 1: him a little bit literally, just because I just randomly
Speaker 1: seen him one time, you know, seeing him playing, you know,
Speaker 1: random another random thing, you know, player. I've been following
Speaker 1: this my man Gordon when I went to Indiana, you know,
Speaker 1: just another situation, just randomly seeing him play. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I see you guys all the time, but
Speaker 1: you know, just just the guys that I just picked
Speaker 1: up on in college. You know, I watched college games,
Speaker 1: probably to watch NBA, and some of those guys I
Speaker 1: liked that. I'll see the effort in the determination. I'll
Speaker 1: follow those guys through. So I get to see a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the leagues, especially around playoff times.
Speaker 1: So that's when I see that, That's when I approved
Speaker 1: of the competition. Though them right now, You're right, A
Speaker 1: long season, I feel, especially not being in it no more.
Speaker 1: I can see like there's like stretches during the season
Speaker 1: where the beginning of the season is fun, Christmas is competitive,
Speaker 1: and then January February is bullshit, and then he gets
Speaker 1: picking back up after all star breaking March going into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I mean, eighty two games is a
Speaker 1: lot of games to play. In the half they play,
Speaker 1: they played hard to getting the art Star game. Then
Speaker 1: once the Arstar Game town, they chill. Then when the
Speaker 1: team might not get in the playoffs, they push again.
Speaker 1: That's how I go. That's that's exactly how alright we're
Speaker 1: coming towards the end. Top five artists in your opinion,
Speaker 1: top five artists occurrent or just like just whoever whoever
Speaker 1: you like, it's your top five list. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: five lists. I started. I started listening to uh to Outcast.
Speaker 1: So big Boy and and and m Andre Andre used
Speaker 1: to come. They come kick it at Tech Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: You know, so I got to see in person. That
Speaker 1: was awesome. Um, I getting to them. I listened to
Speaker 1: some t I and Jeez before every game he saw
Speaker 1: Atlanta Trapp U. Yeah, it's really all Atlanta almost. You know,
Speaker 1: Atlanta got some good ass music. I don't even man
Speaker 1: though I know, I like like like who I know,
Speaker 1: like who. There's a lot of West Coast rappers that
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know if they get into
Speaker 1: my top because it's all in them Jesus three t
Speaker 1: u Andre Oh, i'd say outcasts in general. Um but Ja,
Speaker 1: I love I love Ja Coole um Man when person,
Speaker 1: who do you know? J just from like I said,
Speaker 1: I Alred said j Eazy um Oh, what's the name
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar? Yeah? Yeah, conscious trappers but that was six
Speaker 1: five or six. That's a nice list. I like how
Speaker 1: you're Atlanta loyal because I'm West Coast loyal with my
Speaker 1: list too, so I feel it. But when I'm inst
Speaker 1: when I when I'm West Coast is like I forget
Speaker 1: all about my Atlanta roots and I'm trying to listen
Speaker 1: to a Coast rappers. Just it's just right, it's just right.
Speaker 1: L A do that, l A. Make you forget you married,
Speaker 1: make you forget your roots, thank you for get everything
Speaker 1: to get you living another state? You like you're living
Speaker 1: here while you're here, Give me, give me your top
Speaker 1: three songs that you trained to, Top three songs that
Speaker 1: I trained to. Motivation t I the greatest t I
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you when it's not TU probably
Speaker 1: Doug motivation, motivation. That's three. That's that's Atlanta anthems. Though
Speaker 1: they played them in the club, that's anthems. Uh. I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even go to the club. I
Speaker 1: can't go to the club, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: The days long gone, I mean outside of your jersey
Speaker 1: being in Uh, definitely retired to match one quarterback. You
Speaker 1: wish you would have got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: and Roger. That was quicklif a year man. I got
Speaker 1: to see him in person, like to see him through
Speaker 1: the damish you know, first half. I got to see
Speaker 1: him take over from Brett Farrest. I was like shore En.
Speaker 1: So before I ask you this question, when we asked
Speaker 1: our guests this question, that their answer, you have to
Speaker 1: help us with the answer. Your answer. You have to yes.
Speaker 1: So if you know the person you're gonna you have
Speaker 1: to help us with answer your answering. All right, who
Speaker 1: would you like to see on our show? Who I
Speaker 1: like to see on your show? Damn? That's yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that Obama. Obama, Obama goode yea. If I try
Speaker 1: to make it happen, I appreciate. Man, take a boat
Speaker 1: and tell them we need to pull up. You have
Speaker 1: five seats at your dinner table, dead or alive. Who's
Speaker 1: gonna be at your dinner table day? Man? Jeez? All right,
Speaker 1: Denzel regularly, Michael Jackson, right, a little um, who's gonna
Speaker 1: sit right here? Obama? I love Obama mana awesome. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say Michelle because she was just with Obama.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sheet. I got to more damn here.
Speaker 1: I want. I want Kobe. I love Kobe man. I
Speaker 1: love Kobe. You never get a chance to meet Koke.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my one regret. Bro I never made Kobe.
Speaker 1: And I was snowboarded when I heard about everything that happened. Man,
Speaker 1: I was so it was just me and my wife
Speaker 1: was just staying. Man. You can see everybody on on
Speaker 1: on the on the on the lift. Everybody just like
Speaker 1: and the energy just sad, was like terrible. Love kogl Man,
Speaker 1: love everything he was about. You know, didn't get to
Speaker 1: meet the man. But everybody that I know that that
Speaker 1: has met him, I'm sure you guys attested and say
Speaker 1: the same thing. One of the most hard work and
Speaker 1: individuals that have his greatness manifest the way he did.
Speaker 1: You know, it was awesome to see. Don't even one person.
Speaker 1: Let me get a woman at my table. Let me
Speaker 1: get a let me get a woman at my table.
Speaker 1: Let me get here. Are ting. I want to hear
Speaker 1: some stories. It's a real stories. All right. Well that's
Speaker 1: a rap. C J. Appreciate your time, man, Good luck
Speaker 1: with everything. Great catching up with you. That's awesome. You
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